Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.
Yes, but when the alternative is George Galloway...
Well the good news is that even if Galloway gets in we'll not have long until he gets thrown back out again in a GE.
Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.
Yes, but when the alternative is George Galloway...
I'm hoping for a good vote for the Just Stop Oil vicar.
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).
Both
A powerful combination of principle and self-interest
Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.
Yes, but when the alternative is George Galloway...
I'm hoping for a good vote for the Just Stop Oil vicar.
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).
If Trump is convicted in his March Stormy Daniels falsified records case he could be in jail by the time of the GOP convention in July yet having already won a majority of delegates. However by staying in the race Haley will have won delegates too and hope to convince some Trump delegates to defect to her to avoid a GOP nominee running his campaign from his prison cell
The comedy value which was the past Trump presidency can only be exceeded by a new tenure from a prison cell.
This feels like series 6 - the narrative arc sucks
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).
Both
A powerful combination of principle and self-interest
And showing what she can do for a run in 2028. The Trump faithful might be unforgiving, but they will be dying breed by then.
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).
If Trump is convicted in his March Stormy Daniels falsified records case he could be in jail by the time of the GOP convention in July yet having already won a majority of delegates. However by staying in the race Haley will have won delegates too and hope to convince some Trump delegates to defect to her to avoid a GOP nominee running his campaign from his prison cell
The comedy value which was the past Trump presidency can only be exceeded by a new tenure from a prison cell.
This feels like series 6 - the narrative arc sucks
It's been all downhill since the peak of the "Four Seasons Total Landscaping" press conference
1. After paying for a bit of parking on the PayByPhone app I counted up how many parking apps I have on my phone. 11. Time for government to force through a national monopoly. 2. I have been enjoying a bag of Torres “fried egg flavour” crisps for the first time, bought in a small grocery shop in Totnes a while back. A complete revelation. Anyone else tried them? I’d say are closest in taste to a really nice Spanish omelette.
Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
Albeit a lot of Haley voters are Independents not Republicans.
However Trump did win Independents in 2016 but lost them in 2020 so where they go could be crucial if most Haley voters vote Biden or stay home in November
A lot of Haley backers and voters are Democrats, trying their best to keep her in the race.
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).
Both
A powerful combination of principle and self-interest
And showing what she can do for a run in 2028. The Trump faithful might be unforgiving, but they will be dying breed by then.
Trouble is she’s relying on the told-you-so moment of vindication. Many politicians have held on to the hope of one of those moments and most have fallen by the wayside. And he who wields the knife never wears the crown.
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
Right: I'm going to say this because I can't stop thinking about it, and I might get a slightly more sympathetic hearing here than I have done IRL.
I started rewatching the Ipcress File last night, 20-odd years after I first saw it. And it struck me in the opening scene that the train from London to Nottingham was scheduled to call at RUGBY, Leicester, Nottingham and Sheffield. And it struck me - that must be the old Great Central route out of Marylebone! Going to be hard for the rest of the film to live up to that early excitement.
I've tried telling people IRL this and they're not really interested.
The Sun as a broadsheet is arguably more interesting. I expect someone somewhere will have checked if he picked any winners.
Not very scintillating, but gives a good idea why a lot of people riding cycles are pushed onto the roads, and why a lot of people who use mobility aids can't go anywhere, and why many don't go anywhere in the evenings.
Here the alternative route across the motorway is a traffic island doing 100k vehicles or more per day, and no crossings or footway (but space for one, of course).
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).
Both
A powerful combination of principle and self-interest
And showing what she can do for a run in 2028. The Trump faithful might be unforgiving, but they will be dying breed by then.
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).
Both
A powerful combination of principle and self-interest
And showing what she can do for a run in 2028. The Trump faithful might be unforgiving, but they will be dying breed by then.
Yes, Haley needs to show that she and not Ron DeSantis will be frontrunner in 2028.
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
Yes it’s surprising and not as if they don’t have council seats and local targets in the region. Possibly just a bit last minute. A real shame too that the Lib Dem candidate wasn’t a woman, given the single sex line up.
Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.
The Commons is currently heaving with independent MPs who got kicked out of their parties. One more ain’t gonna make much difference.
Not very scintillating, but gives a good idea why a lot of people riding cycles are pushed onto the roads, and why a lot of people who use mobility aids can't go anywhere, and why many don't go anywhere in the evenings.
Here the alternative route across the motorway is a traffic island doing 100k vehicles or more per day, and no crossings or footway (but space for one, of course).
Quite impressed with Da Vinci.
Does it Code?
Was genuinely wondering if Rosslyn Chapel and conspiracy theories had become the latest folk devil and moral panic to afflict PB!
Not very scintillating, but gives a good idea why a lot of people riding cycles are pushed onto the roads, and why a lot of people who use mobility aids can't go anywhere, and why many don't go anywhere in the evenings.
Here the alternative route across the motorway is a traffic island doing 100k vehicles or more per day, and no crossings or footway (but space for one, of course).
Quite impressed with Da Vinci.
Does it Code?
Was genuinely wondering if Rosslyn Chapel and conspiracy theories had become the latest folk devil and moral panic to afflict PB!
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
Yes it’s surprising and not as if they don’t have council seats and local targets in the region. Possibly just a bit last minute. A real shame too that the Lib Dem candidate wasn’t a woman, given the single sex line up.
Probably affirmative action as the LibDems try to get some gender diversity in the Parliamentary party. Currently only one third male!
Didn't we tell you weeks ago to buy a laser printer?
Don't have room
Anyway I have solved it, I've worked out that if I spend half an hour crouching besides my printer with my laptop physically plugged into the printer mechanism, then I can easily get my wifi printer to print 5 sheets of A4 in about 70 minutes
Didn't we tell you weeks ago to buy a laser printer?
Don't have room
Anyway I have solved it, I've worked out that if I spend half an hour crouching besides my printer with my laptop physically plugged into the printer mechanism, then I can easily get my wifi printer to print 5 sheets of A4 in about 70 minutes
You should fly back to that poor place where you can print a whole book for £6.50.
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.
Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.
Yes, but when the alternative is George Galloway...
I'm hoping for a good vote for the Just Stop Oil vicar.
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.
Right: I'm going to say this because I can't stop thinking about it, and I might get a slightly more sympathetic hearing here than I have done IRL.
I started rewatching the Ipcress File last night, 20-odd years after I first saw it. And it struck me in the opening scene that the train from London to Nottingham was scheduled to call at RUGBY, Leicester, Nottingham and Sheffield. And it struck me - that must be the old Great Central route out of Marylebone! Going to be hard for the rest of the film to live up to that early excitement.
I've tried telling people IRL this and they're not really interested.
The Sun as a broadsheet is arguably more interesting. I expect someone somewhere will have checked if he picked any winners.
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.
He’s gonna Wannabe avoiding his wife for a few days, that’s for sure.
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
I lived in Rochdale of a couple of years, back in the early 60's. Mrs C lived there while growing up. I'm very sad about what Rochdale politics seem to have become.
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
Didn't we tell you weeks ago to buy a laser printer?
Don't have room
Anyway I have solved it, I've worked out that if I spend half an hour crouching besides my printer with my laptop physically plugged into the printer mechanism, then I can easily get my wifi printer to print 5 sheets of A4 in about 70 minutes
Do you live in a telephone box or something? What do you mean you don't have room?. I have a very old laser printer and it is quite small. The one before that was diddy.
I lived in Rochdale of a couple of years, back in the early 60's. Mrs C lived there while growing up. I'm very sad about what Rochdale politics seem to have become.
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
With the Tories on their scorched earth policy Labour are going to have to either do another u-turn on some key proposals or find another revenue stream .
Reeves and Starmer should never have boxed themselves in over tax rises for higher earners . Now at the rate the Tories are going Labour if they keep the Tory tax cuts will have to oversee huge cuts to public services .
Didn't we tell you weeks ago to buy a laser printer?
Don't have room
Anyway I have solved it, I've worked out that if I spend half an hour crouching besides my printer with my laptop physically plugged into the printer mechanism, then I can easily get my wifi printer to print 5 sheets of A4 in about 70 minutes
Do you live in a telephone box or something? What do you mean you don't have room?. I have a very old laser printer and it is quite small. The one before that was diddy.
My father in law bought a Samsung Xpress laser printer after getting bored with expensive ink and it is smaller than most inkjets.
Shocking story from Gaza. FK seemed genuinely moved during his first report
It’s horrific . The IDF slaughtering people who were waiting for food . They’re now blaming the ensuing panic when their soldiers started executing people on the high death toll .
Any sympathy Israel might have had after October 7 is long gone .
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
LDs put no effort in.
If Cyril Smith had put his weight behind it.....
Knowing what we do now probably best he didn't, even if he was alive still
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
The Rochdale seat was Liberal from 1970 to 1992 and 2001-2010 so they certainly have history there.
Post Brexit though and with Labour not in government yet they aren't going to have much hope in by elections in Labour seats and Galloway has taken the Gaza protest vote
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.
He’s gonna Wannabe avoiding his wife for a few days, that’s for sure.
Pretty sure "Goodbye" came out after the fragrant Miss Halliwell left the group.
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).
If Trump is convicted in his March Stormy Daniels falsified records case he could be in jail by the time of the GOP convention in July yet having already won a majority of delegates. However by staying in the race Haley will have won delegates too and hope to convince some Trump delegates to defect to her to avoid a GOP nominee running his campaign from his prison cell
My understanding is that for a first offence it is not normal to go to jail (sadly) in these type of cases.
Trump is facing 34 charges even in the Daniels case each of which carries a 4 year jail term maximum.
Given his not guilty plea, his complete lack of remorse and contempt for the judge, the idea the judge is going to be minded to give him probation or a suspended sentence if convicted is unlikely
All I can tell you is from all I have read a first offence normally involves a fine. I really hope I am wrong and you are right. I would be overjoyed if you were right on this one I can tell you.
'The charge Trump faces, falsifying business records, is a class E felony, carrying a maximum prison sentence of four years.The hush-money case is a state prosecution, not federal, so Trump would not be able to pardon himself if he won the presidency in 2024.' https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/15/trump-court-stormy-daniels-case Which raises the interesting prospect of Trump running his general election campaign from jail and if he wins being inaugrated from jail and being President from jail. Albeit one would expect independents to have deserted him by then
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.
He’s gonna Wannabe avoiding his wife for a few days, that’s for sure.
Pretty sure "Goodbye" came out after the fragrant Miss Halliwell left the group.
Yes. The song was about her. Spice fact for you there.
Shocking story from Gaza. FK seemed genuinely moved during his first report
That 'D' in IDF is looking increasingly out of place.
The optics of slaughtering people who are literally starving to death and desperate for food won’t be forgotten . The IDF and Netenyahu are out of control .
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
Has he been misusing DRS?
It does appear that his variable-angle flap has been up to no good.
Shocking story from Gaza. FK seemed genuinely moved during his first report
That 'D' in IDF is looking increasingly out of place.
The optics of slaughtering people who are literally starving to death and desperate for food won’t be forgotten . The IDF and Netenyahu are out of control .
Yes. An entire period, with all its diverse elements and dramatic events, running from June 1967 to October 2023 is over. And it isn't coming back. Something entirely new is coming about. No-one has any idea what it is.
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.
He’s gonna Wannabe avoiding his wife for a few days, that’s for sure.
Pretty sure "Goodbye" came out after the fragrant Miss Halliwell left the group.
Yes. The song was about her. Spice fact for you there.
It amuses me that the BBC punctiliously refer to Geri as a "Former Spice Girls singer" rather than a "Former Spice Girl". It's political correctness gone mad.
Way offtopic, and with no links, it looks like the Christian Horner case just took a rather dramatic turn. Not sure Mrs Horner will be a happy bunny tonight.
You'd have thought he'd fess up to whatever it is he's been up to before it all comes out.
Though it might be "goodbye" to their relationship of course.
He’s gonna Wannabe avoiding his wife for a few days, that’s for sure.
Pretty sure "Goodbye" came out after the fragrant Miss Halliwell left the group.
Yes. The song was about her. Spice fact for you there.
It amuses me that the BBC punctiliously refer to Gerri as a "Former Spice Girls singer" rather than a "Former Spice Girl". It's political correctness gone mad.
It amuses me that the articles about Horner have headlines that start “Geri Halliwell’s husband in trouble…”
So she can get Republican voters used to the idea of voting against Trump, and so that she can help to stop Trump winning in the general?
I think she's staying in the race in case the party decides to kick Trump off the ballot if he is convicted and she'd be the only official candidate left? Or she just really believes that Trump is beyond the pale (doubtful).
If Trump is convicted in his March Stormy Daniels falsified records case he could be in jail by the time of the GOP convention in July yet having already won a majority of delegates. However by staying in the race Haley will have won delegates too and hope to convince some Trump delegates to defect to her to avoid a GOP nominee running his campaign from his prison cell
My understanding is that for a first offence it is not normal to go to jail (sadly) in these type of cases.
Trump is facing 34 charges even in the Daniels case each of which carries a 4 year jail term maximum.
Given his not guilty plea, his complete lack of remorse and contempt for the judge, the idea the judge is going to be minded to give him probation or a suspended sentence if convicted is unlikely
All I can tell you is from all I have read a first offence normally involves a fine. I really hope I am wrong and you are right. I would be overjoyed if you were right on this one I can tell you.
'The charge Trump faces, falsifying business records, is a class E felony, carrying a maximum prison sentence of four years.The hush-money case is a state prosecution, not federal, so Trump would not be able to pardon himself if he won the presidency in 2024.' https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/15/trump-court-stormy-daniels-case Which raises the interesting prospect of Trump running his general election campaign from jail and if he wins being inaugrated from jail and being President from jail. Albeit one would expect independents to have deserted him by then
Yes you would have thought your typical floating voter would baulk at electing a guy doing porridge as president.
Betfair has moved very sharply to Labour for Rochdale today, to the point of crossover - the "Labour" candidate is now a narrow favourite. No idea whether that's just profit=taking or a genuine reaction to impressions on the ground.
I thought Labour had disowned their candidate due to him being an antisemite?
He's still on the ballot paper as the Labour candidate, because it happened too late to change.
His victory speech will certainly be interesting (if he does indeed win)
Presumably SKS won't be rushing up to Rochdale in the morning.
Whoever wins is going to have a strange few months as an MP, assuming a different Labour candidate will most likely win the seat at the next general election.
I assume that, as he would have been elected as the Labour candidate, he'd automatically become a member of the PLP - and that SKS will actively have to suspend or expel him. Which may or may not cause further problems.
All a bit of a mess, and I can see MoonRabbit's point that Labour might in many ways prefer someone else to win.
I don't think that's an issue. But his mere presence in the Commons will cause issues. If any other Labour MP is seen talking to him that potentially raises questions, as does anything he might say in the chamber. A right mess alright.
Not that bad, I think - MPs chat together all the time, and I was certainly seen talking with anyone from Ian Paisley to George Galloway without anyone turning a hair (didn't stop Galloway later shouting "Murderer!" at me). He'd be suspended from the start, I think, but might try to live it down. I don't think we'd actually rather have Galloway.
If Galloway were left alive to do that, is that not an epicurious question over either
Following a demand from Peter Tatchell for Police forces up,and down the country to issue an apology to the LGBTQ community for how they have treated these communities historically North Yorks steps up to the plate.
Is this a good thing or pointless gesture.
Personally I do not see what harm it does unless loads of people now start to expect compo.
Quite amusing to see that Galloway claims that if he wins Starmer, who really has no skin in the Rochdale game now, could be toppled as Labour leader. He's a fantasist; I hope the good citizens of Rochdale see through him.
1. After paying for a bit of parking on the PayByPhone app I counted up how many parking apps I have on my phone. 11. Time for government to force through a national monopoly. 2. I have been enjoying a bag of Torres “fried egg flavour” crisps for the first time, bought in a small grocery shop in Totnes a while back. A complete revelation. Anyone else tried them? I’d say are closest in taste to a really nice Spanish omelette.
A single electric car charger app too please!
Not convinced by the crisps, but perhaps we could send @MarqueeMark to investigate on behalf of the team.
(BA are often annoying, but they do deliver you reasonably reliably)
Assuming you are flying coach, the experiences are very similar. Both will fly you in modern planes (787s mostly), and are equally reliable.
I think price - and plane times - would be my differentiating factor.
Thanks. (I think I'll fly go for a slight upgrade on basic pleb economy)
I know people sometimes struggle with BA, but I'm male and of an age that fits in with the cabin crew's idea of a proper passenger. Unfortunately things have moved on a bit from when I was young and male and well-presented and the check in staff could be charmed into almost certain upgrades (all airlines). I only managed first class (from economy) once, but that was in Japan in the 80s, and I think they preferred me to not be offending their other customers by my presence.
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
The Rochdale seat was Liberal from 1970 to 1992 and 2001-2010 so they certainly have history there.
Post Brexit though and with Labour not in government yet they aren't going to have much hope in by elections in Labour seats and Galloway has taken the Gaza protest vote
I suspect the LDs looked at it and thought, are we going to spend our target seats money defending Rochdale in a few months time? And the answer was "No?"
Plus, few ideas for an overly literal Ed Davey victory stunt.
I still feel they are value, more 14s than 50s, at a narrow intersection where the Labour vote drops down and the Galloway vote edges up.
But, with money on, I would say that wouldn't I? DYOR.
Rather puzzling to me that the LDs don't seem to have put much effort into Rochdale. There surely is a large, one would hope, not antisemite and not Brexit true believer seam that they could have very profitably mined.
The Rochdale seat was Liberal from 1970 to 1992 and 2001-2010 so they certainly have history there.
Post Brexit though and with Labour not in government yet they aren't going to have much hope in by elections in Labour seats and Galloway has taken the Gaza protest vote
I suspect the LDs looked at it and thought, are we going to spend our target seats money defending Rochdale in a few months time? And the answer was "No?"
Plus, few ideas for an overly literal Ed Davey victory stunt.
I still feel they are value, more 14s than 50s, at a narrow intersection where the Labour vote drops down and the Galloway vote edges up.
But, with money on, I would say that wouldn't I? DYOR.
" Mr Connell said. “The script was 15 pages of AI-generated gibberish of me just monologuing these mad things.
“The bit that got me was where I had to say, ‘There is a man we don’t know his name. We know him as the Unknown. This Unknown is an evil chocolate maker who lives in the walls.’"
If you want to know the cost of years of Conservative mismanagement, there's part of it. Not much for the Woking residents who will face a 10% Council Tax rise in order for the Council to get the bailout or handout.
Will this help Jonathan Lord keep his seat or make no difference at all?
Following a demand from Peter Tatchell for Police forces up,and down the country to issue an apology to the LGBTQ community for how they have treated these communities historically North Yorks steps up to the plate.
Is this a good thing or pointless gesture.
Personally I do not see what harm it does unless loads of people now start to expect compo.
Following a demand from Peter Tatchell for Police forces up,and down the country to issue an apology to the LGBTQ community for how they have treated these communities historically North Yorks steps up to the plate.
Is this a good thing or pointless gesture.
Personally I do not see what harm it does unless loads of people now start to expect compo.
One can't say. Depends if it is sincere or purely to placate Peter Tatchell (who can be quite forceful).
Given that the Acting Chief Constable says "As a bisexual man myself...." I suspect it's sincere. It's certainly unusual, especially for North Yorkshire.
Quite amusing to see that Galloway claims that if he wins Starmer, who really has no skin in the Rochdale game now, could be toppled as Labour leader. He's a fantasist; I hope the good citizens of Rochdale see through him.
Yes, Keir will be quaking.
What's that coming over the hill, is it a fedora ... is it a fedora?
Never very pleasant to see naked sectarianism in a British by-election, but “filth” is perhaps overdoing it.
He's become ridiculous I can't imagine that Muslims find him other than a bit stalker-like.
What ever happened to him? Once he was worth listening to, albeit quite misguided even at his best.
He's become pure vanity project. Witness that stupid fedora seemingly glued to his head.
Well yes. I don't quite get his grand plan though. His drum banging on behalf of anyone that's dodgy would if carried to its end result see him as one of the first against some wall. He shares this with Corbyn, although the latter may have had a nice seaside holiday home for a while before the ammunition beckoned.
If you want to know the cost of years of Conservative mismanagement, there's part of it. Not much for the Woking residents who will face a 10% Council Tax rise in order for the Council to get the bailout or handout.
Will this help Jonathan Lord keep his seat or make no difference at all?
Jonathan Lord has been an MP since 2010, I discover. Has anybody heard of him, outside Woking (and maybe not even there)? Thought not. He has the thinnest Wiki entry for a long-standing MP I've ever looked at.
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A powerful combination of principle and self-interest
1. After paying for a bit of parking on the PayByPhone app I counted up how many parking apps I have on my phone. 11. Time for government to force through a national monopoly.
2. I have been enjoying a bag of Torres “fried egg flavour” crisps for the first time, bought in a small grocery shop in Totnes a while back. A complete revelation. Anyone else tried them? I’d say are closest in taste to a really nice Spanish omelette.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zStdQJP0ksY
Anyway I have solved it, I've worked out that if I spend half an hour crouching besides my printer with my laptop physically plugged into the printer mechanism, then I can easily get my wifi printer to print 5 sheets of A4 in about 70 minutes
I'm very sad about what Rochdale politics seem to have become.
https://x.com/cyclefree2/status/1763205831904886993?s=61
I think we all know her opinion on the subject, but nonetheless…
Reeves and Starmer should never have boxed themselves in over tax rises for higher earners . Now at the rate the Tories are going Labour if they keep the Tory tax cuts will have to oversee huge cuts to public services .
Any sympathy Israel might have had after October 7 is long gone .
What a tool.
Only fair outcome is to strip Red Bull and their drivers of all their titles.
He forgot the golden rule.
Don’t poke the payroll or try to.
Post Brexit though and with Labour not in government yet they aren't going to have much hope in by elections in Labour seats and Galloway has taken the Gaza protest vote
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-automatically-suspended-certain-criminal-173439745.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/15/trump-court-stormy-daniels-case
Which raises the interesting prospect of Trump running his general election campaign from jail and if he wins being inaugrated from jail and being President from jail. Albeit one would expect independents to have deserted him by then
Look at the filth Galloway is pumping out in Rochdale.
https://x.com/mrharrycole/status/1763225268674527367?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
What ever happened to him? Once he was worth listening to, albeit quite misguided even at his best.
"Make Rochdale Great Again"
(BA are often annoying, but they do deliver you reasonably reliably)
I think price - and plane times - would be my differentiating factor.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/uk-by-elections/rochdale-by-election-betting-1.224220834
More Christian Hornier than I can cope with though.
a) Your judgement.
or
b) Your effectiveness?
Is this a good thing or pointless gesture.
Personally I do not see what harm it does unless loads of people now start to expect compo.
https://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/news/north-yorkshire/news/news/2024/02-february/north-yorkshire-police-apologises-to-lgbtq-community/
He's a fantasist; I hope the good citizens of Rochdale see through him.
Not convinced by the crisps, but perhaps we could send @MarqueeMark to investigate on behalf of the team.
Because it is actually a GOOD rock song, with hilariously stupid lyrics
I know people sometimes struggle with BA, but I'm male and of an age that fits in with the cabin crew's idea of a proper passenger. Unfortunately things have moved on a bit from when I was young and male and well-presented and the check in staff could be charmed into almost certain upgrades (all airlines). I only managed first class (from economy) once, but that was in Japan in the 80s, and I think they preferred me to not be offending their other customers by my presence.
Plus, few ideas for an overly literal Ed Davey victory stunt.
I still feel they are value, more 14s than 50s, at a narrow intersection where the Labour vote drops down and the Galloway vote edges up.
But, with money on, I would say that wouldn't I? DYOR.
Plus, few ideas for an overly literal Ed Davey victory stunt.
I still feel they are value, more 14s than 50s, at a narrow intersection where the Labour vote drops down and the Galloway vote edges up.
But, with money on, I would say that wouldn't I? DYOR.
" Mr Connell said. “The script was 15 pages of AI-generated gibberish of me just monologuing these mad things.
“The bit that got me was where I had to say, ‘There is a man we don’t know his name. We know him as the Unknown. This Unknown is an evil chocolate maker who lives in the walls.’"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/willy-wonka-experience-glasgow-chocolate-event-b2504464.html
In more "there must be an election coming" news, the Government has found £785 million to bail out Woking Borough Council.
https://www.wokingnewsandmail.co.uk/news/bankrupt-woking-borough-council-offered-ps765-million-government-bailout-but-has-to-increase-council-tax-668767
If you want to know the cost of years of Conservative mismanagement, there's part of it. Not much for the Woking residents who will face a 10% Council Tax rise in order for the Council to get the bailout or handout.
Will this help Jonathan Lord keep his seat or make no difference at all?
AND, since this is (ostensibly) a betting site, what are the odds that Ms Halliwell did NOT know her hubby is (allegedly) a hot-to-trot horn-dog?
Of course THAT covers about 99.46% of the male population! But just sayin'.
What's that coming over the hill, is it a fedora ... is it a fedora?
Thought not. He has the thinnest Wiki entry for a long-standing MP I've ever looked at.