What’s happening with the polling “don’t knows” – politicalbetting.com

FrankBooth said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes it is a thing unfortunately. In South London at least. People seem to use each new shift in technology as an opportunity to be more obnoxious and thoughtless to their fellow human beings.

I use the bus a lot and I can't say I have come across this at all. I am but a mere provincial though. Perhaps we have got this to look forward to?

kjh said:

NickPalmer said:

I spend nearly all my time in two classic Tory areas (Godalming and rural Oxfordshire) and although I know a few people who are still planning to vote Tory, even they are doing it with a wry smile and don't dispute that it's time for a period in Opposition to reflect on their future direction. Most of my Tory friends are now either not planning to vote ("constructive abstention", one calls it) or switching, with most of those coming straight over to Labour, for the slightly dismaying reason that they don't see any difference between us and the LibDems. The LibDem literature is overwhelmingly focused on getting tactical votes, but that's fading in effectiveness, as people feel the Tories are goners anyway so they might as well just vote for the alternative Government. Both Labour and the LibDems arguably need to switch gear to a more positive and distinctive message to seal their respective deals, though it's awfully tempting to just keep the focus on how useless the Tories are.

There's a UK Polling Report poll on the Kingswood by-election next week predicting a Labour gain, but I'm not sure it's a real poll o just a projection from national polls?

I think your comment re the LDs is worryingly accurate @NickPalmer. They should pick up a lot of seats with the anti Tory vote and tactical voting, but with the polls as they are I suspect that in many of these seats instead of the LDs winning it will result in a lot of Tory holds and a big Labour vote, with the possibility of the occasional Labour win coming through from 3rd.

I also agree it is sad that people can't see a distinction between the two parties, which isn't helped by the LD (necessary) tactical voting message.

I hope I am wrong as I want the LDs to do well, but if Labour rack up huge votes in places like Guildford and Godalming it is going to be depressing. In the past it has always been easy to squeeze these. Not sure anymore.

FrankBooth said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes it is a thing unfortunately. In South London at least. People seem to use each new shift in technology as an opportunity to be more obnoxious and thoughtless to their fellow human beings.

I use the bus a lot and I can't say I have come across this at all. I am but a mere provincial though. Perhaps we have got this to look forward to?

Leon said:

boulay said:

Leon said:

mwadams said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes, it really is a thing. Yes, it is *deeply* annoying, when they are rewatching the same TikTok boomerang again and again.

Seriously?

On buses only? Or elsewhere? There are people on that thread saying it is everywhere

I take a few Tubes and trains and I've not seen it there. Yet

I’ve noticed very few people these days seem to leave the room or, for example get up from a table at a social occasion and move away, to take calls. I find it really rude to sit there having a phone call in other people’s presence (apart from at work obviously) and noticed it massively increase probably over the least ten years or so.

I might just be a misery guts but it’s quite obnoxious.

It is absolutely obnoxious and antisocial. I've got a couple of good friends that do it and I politely roll my eyes but frankly I want to slap them

Just go somewhere quiet, it's basic good manners

148grss said:

kjh said:

NickPalmer said:

I spend nearly all my time in two classic Tory areas (Godalming and rural Oxfordshire) and although I know a few people who are still planning to vote Tory, even they are doing it with a wry smile and don't dispute that it's time for a period in Opposition to reflect on their future direction. Most of my Tory friends are now either not planning to vote ("constructive abstention", one calls it) or switching, with most of those coming straight over to Labour, for the slightly dismaying reason that they don't see any difference between us and the LibDems. The LibDem literature is overwhelmingly focused on getting tactical votes, but that's fading in effectiveness, as people feel the Tories are goners anyway so they might as well just vote for the alternative Government. Both Labour and the LibDems arguably need to switch gear to a more positive and distinctive message to seal their respective deals, though it's awfully tempting to just keep the focus on how useless the Tories are.

There's a UK Polling Report poll on the Kingswood by-election next week predicting a Labour gain, but I'm not sure it's a real poll o just a projection from national polls?

I think your comment re the LDs is worryingly accurate @NickPalmer. They should pick up a lot of seats with the anti Tory vote and tactical voting, but with the polls as they are I suspect that in many of these seats instead of the LDs winning it will result in a lot of Tory holds and a big Labour vote, with the possibility of the occasional Labour win coming through from 3rd.

I also agree it is sad that people can't see a distinction between the two parties, which isn't helped by the LD (necessary) tactical voting message.

I hope I am wrong as I want the LDs to do well, but if Labour rack up huge votes in places like Guildford and Godalming it is going to be depressing. In the past it has always been easy to squeeze these. Not sure anymore.

I'm surprised people see no difference between Labour and the LDs rather than Labour and the Tories - is that still a coalition hangover or just the general insignificance of the LDs nationally? The LDs, for example, have not backed Israel to the hilt like Labour and the Conservatives and are (at least from what I can see in the new safe seat of St Albans) going back to being more a critique of Labour from the left then the Cleggist Orange Bookers that would support Tories. They're trying to out green Labour (and the Greens) in local elections and wouldn't be surprised to see them attack Starmer for backing down on his £28 billion pledge being dropped.

mwadams said:

Stuartinromford said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes, and it's ghastly and it's not just teenagers.

Noticeable uptick in shouty aggression on the Lizzie Line as well. Everyone is just fed up.

That's an important point. It is absolutely not just teenagers.

Malmesbury said:

148grss said:

kjh said:

NickPalmer said:

I spend nearly all my time in two classic Tory areas (Godalming and rural Oxfordshire) and although I know a few people who are still planning to vote Tory, even they are doing it with a wry smile and don't dispute that it's time for a period in Opposition to reflect on their future direction. Most of my Tory friends are now either not planning to vote ("constructive abstention", one calls it) or switching, with most of those coming straight over to Labour, for the slightly dismaying reason that they don't see any difference between us and the LibDems. The LibDem literature is overwhelmingly focused on getting tactical votes, but that's fading in effectiveness, as people feel the Tories are goners anyway so they might as well just vote for the alternative Government. Both Labour and the LibDems arguably need to switch gear to a more positive and distinctive message to seal their respective deals, though it's awfully tempting to just keep the focus on how useless the Tories are.

There's a UK Polling Report poll on the Kingswood by-election next week predicting a Labour gain, but I'm not sure it's a real poll o just a projection from national polls?

I think your comment re the LDs is worryingly accurate @NickPalmer. They should pick up a lot of seats with the anti Tory vote and tactical voting, but with the polls as they are I suspect that in many of these seats instead of the LDs winning it will result in a lot of Tory holds and a big Labour vote, with the possibility of the occasional Labour win coming through from 3rd.

I also agree it is sad that people can't see a distinction between the two parties, which isn't helped by the LD (necessary) tactical voting message.

I hope I am wrong as I want the LDs to do well, but if Labour rack up huge votes in places like Guildford and Godalming it is going to be depressing. In the past it has always been easy to squeeze these. Not sure anymore.

I'm surprised people see no difference between Labour and the LDs rather than Labour and the Tories - is that still a coalition hangover or just the general insignificance of the LDs nationally? The LDs, for example, have not backed Israel to the hilt like Labour and the Conservatives and are (at least from what I can see in the new safe seat of St Albans) going back to being more a critique of Labour from the left then the Cleggist Orange Bookers that would support Tories. They're trying to out green Labour (and the Greens) in local elections and wouldn't be surprised to see them attack Starmer for backing down on his £28 billion pledge being dropped.

Most people are looking at the parties in general - you are looking at specific issues. The Lib Dems are also adept at picking up local issues to get an edge. Using the Green/NIMBY nexus is SOP.

The LibDems are trying to be Social Democrats in the European party sense of the word.

Starmer is trying to move Labour to a similar position.

It's therefore not surprising that the two parties are seen as similar.

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

malcolmg said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

That is the pleasure of mixing with the great unwashed, unprincipled, thick and no manners. Refrain from public transport unless life in danger.

148grss said:

kjh said:

NickPalmer said:

I spend nearly all my time in two classic Tory areas (Godalming and rural Oxfordshire) and although I know a few people who are still planning to vote Tory, even they are doing it with a wry smile and don't dispute that it's time for a period in Opposition to reflect on their future direction. Most of my Tory friends are now either not planning to vote ("constructive abstention", one calls it) or switching, with most of those coming straight over to Labour, for the slightly dismaying reason that they don't see any difference between us and the LibDems. The LibDem literature is overwhelmingly focused on getting tactical votes, but that's fading in effectiveness, as people feel the Tories are goners anyway so they might as well just vote for the alternative Government. Both Labour and the LibDems arguably need to switch gear to a more positive and distinctive message to seal their respective deals, though it's awfully tempting to just keep the focus on how useless the Tories are.

There's a UK Polling Report poll on the Kingswood by-election next week predicting a Labour gain, but I'm not sure it's a real poll o just a projection from national polls?

I think your comment re the LDs is worryingly accurate @NickPalmer. They should pick up a lot of seats with the anti Tory vote and tactical voting, but with the polls as they are I suspect that in many of these seats instead of the LDs winning it will result in a lot of Tory holds and a big Labour vote, with the possibility of the occasional Labour win coming through from 3rd.

I also agree it is sad that people can't see a distinction between the two parties, which isn't helped by the LD (necessary) tactical voting message.

I hope I am wrong as I want the LDs to do well, but if Labour rack up huge votes in places like Guildford and Godalming it is going to be depressing. In the past it has always been easy to squeeze these. Not sure anymore.

I'm surprised people see no difference between Labour and the LDs rather than Labour and the Tories - is that still a coalition hangover or just the general insignificance of the LDs nationally? The LDs, for example, have not backed Israel to the hilt like Labour and the Conservatives and are (at least from what I can see in the new safe seat of St Albans) going back to being more a critique of Labour from the left then the Cleggist Orange Bookers that would support Tories. They're trying to out green Labour (and the Greens) in local elections and wouldn't be surprised to see them attack Starmer for backing down on his £28 billion pledge being dropped.

148grss said:

kjh said:

NickPalmer said:

I spend nearly all my time in two classic Tory areas (Godalming and rural Oxfordshire) and although I know a few people who are still planning to vote Tory, even they are doing it with a wry smile and don't dispute that it's time for a period in Opposition to reflect on their future direction. Most of my Tory friends are now either not planning to vote ("constructive abstention", one calls it) or switching, with most of those coming straight over to Labour, for the slightly dismaying reason that they don't see any difference between us and the LibDems. The LibDem literature is overwhelmingly focused on getting tactical votes, but that's fading in effectiveness, as people feel the Tories are goners anyway so they might as well just vote for the alternative Government. Both Labour and the LibDems arguably need to switch gear to a more positive and distinctive message to seal their respective deals, though it's awfully tempting to just keep the focus on how useless the Tories are.

There's a UK Polling Report poll on the Kingswood by-election next week predicting a Labour gain, but I'm not sure it's a real poll o just a projection from national polls?

I think your comment re the LDs is worryingly accurate @NickPalmer. They should pick up a lot of seats with the anti Tory vote and tactical voting, but with the polls as they are I suspect that in many of these seats instead of the LDs winning it will result in a lot of Tory holds and a big Labour vote, with the possibility of the occasional Labour win coming through from 3rd.

I also agree it is sad that people can't see a distinction between the two parties, which isn't helped by the LD (necessary) tactical voting message.

I hope I am wrong as I want the LDs to do well, but if Labour rack up huge votes in places like Guildford and Godalming it is going to be depressing. In the past it has always been easy to squeeze these. Not sure anymore.

I'm surprised people see no difference between Labour and the LDs rather than Labour and the Tories - is that still a coalition hangover or just the general insignificance of the LDs nationally? The LDs, for example, have not backed Israel to the hilt like Labour and the Conservatives and are (at least from what I can see in the new safe seat of St Albans) going back to being more a critique of Labour from the left then the Cleggist Orange Bookers that would support Tories. They're trying to out green Labour (and the Greens) in local elections and wouldn't be surprised to see them attack Starmer for backing down on his £28 billion pledge being dropped.

Nigelb said:

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mwadams said:

Stuartinromford said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes, and it's ghastly and it's not just teenagers.

Noticeable uptick in shouty aggression on the Lizzie Line as well. Everyone is just fed up.

That's an important point. It is absolutely not just teenagers.

It's even more annoying in the coffee shop where you're trying to read a book.

malcolmg said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

That is the pleasure of mixing with the great unwashed, unprincipled, thick and no manners. Refrain from public transport unless life in danger.

Leon said:

Nigelb said:

.

mwadams said:

Stuartinromford said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes, and it's ghastly and it's not just teenagers.

Noticeable uptick in shouty aggression on the Lizzie Line as well. Everyone is just fed up.

That's an important point. It is absolutely not just teenagers.

It's even more annoying in the coffee shop where you're trying to read a book.

Coffee shop? Really?

How come I’ve missed this phenomenon entirely. I know I’m away a lot but I’m still home 5-6 months of the year and I live in London

Anyway it is all the more reason to live inside an Apple Vision Pro. If the world is going to be antisocial, then…

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Leon said:

This guy is surely right. This isn’t a new and better version of VR and AR - this is the future of all interaction with screens. You will put on sleek trendy glasses and you will have virtual keyboards you can type on, virtual computers to show your work PLUS all the apps and movies and games (and real time lip synch translation) - actual hardware from TVs to phones to laptops will be redundant. You won’t need them. Anyone who makes any of that hardware should be worried

And they won’t be clunky oculus/fighter pilot helmets, they will be like cool Raybans

https://x.com/casey/status/1753848769118970152?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Even it it worked perfectly, the experience depends on you being the only person weaing one. If everyone is wearing them then it destroys the illusion.

What illusion ?
Replacing a TV, laptop, or tablet isn't an 'illusion', but a real thing.
It's only the case of mobile phones - where you lock the world out when using them in any case - that's slightly more problematic. And even that's just down to the technology improving.
I spend half the year wearing sunglasses anyway, because of my eyesight.

What mass uptake would do to social interaction is more concerning.

algarkirk said:

A classic of the genre: People Who Know Everything Don't Know Anything Really Because Of Reasons. £45 Trillion Gazillion Will Solve It And Answer The Mystery Of The Universe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68172162

Stuartinromford said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes, and it's ghastly and it's not just teenagers.

Noticeable uptick in shouty aggression on the Lizzie Line as well. Everyone is just fed up.

Selebian said:

Leon said:

Stuartinromford said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes, and it's ghastly and it's not just teenagers.

Noticeable uptick in shouty aggression on the Lizzie Line as well. Everyone is just fed up.

TwiX is convinced it is a racial thing (I take no sides as I have never experienced it)

A lot of people saying it is more common with black and Asian people. They might simply be racist or mad (this is TwiX), however there are black and Asian people saying "Yeah I do this, it's what I prefer, cope with it"

What a to-do

I would guess* that black and Asian people are over-represented on buses, at least among those under 30 or so, so there could well be a perception of this just because there are more people from those groups.

I took two buses a couple of weeks ago, to and from a station -> university building (not my uni - I had time enough so thought I'd save money/the world by not going for a taxi ). There was one incident of this, on one journey, with a guy in his 20s (I'd guess) who was black. It wasn't particularly loud and didn't bother me really, but I can get why it would bother people. The two old biddies behind me shouting at each other (I guess they were both a bit deaf - the conversation was amicable) were more distracting.

*thinking broadly about deprivation correlation with bus use and also demographics within some cities where bus use might be more common

Pulpstar said:

algarkirk said:

A classic of the genre: People Who Know Everything Don't Know Anything Really Because Of Reasons. £45 Trillion Gazillion Will Solve It And Answer The Mystery Of The Universe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68172162

£12 Bn. That's about Birmingham to Kenilworth in HS2 costs I think ?

OldKingCole said:

Selebian said:

Leon said:

Stuartinromford said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes, and it's ghastly and it's not just teenagers.

Noticeable uptick in shouty aggression on the Lizzie Line as well. Everyone is just fed up.

TwiX is convinced it is a racial thing (I take no sides as I have never experienced it)

A lot of people saying it is more common with black and Asian people. They might simply be racist or mad (this is TwiX), however there are black and Asian people saying "Yeah I do this, it's what I prefer, cope with it"

What a to-do

I would guess* that black and Asian people are over-represented on buses, at least among those under 30 or so, so there could well be a perception of this just because there are more people from those groups.

I took two buses a couple of weeks ago, to and from a station -> university building (not my uni - I had time enough so thought I'd save money/the world by not going for a taxi ). There was one incident of this, on one journey, with a guy in his 20s (I'd guess) who was black. It wasn't particularly loud and didn't bother me really, but I can get why it would bother people. The two old biddies behind me shouting at each other (I guess they were both a bit deaf - the conversation was amicable) were more distracting.

*thinking broadly about deprivation correlation with bus use and also demographics within some cities where bus use might be more common

What was it Mrs Thatcher said about people over 30 using buses?

malcolmg said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

That is the pleasure of mixing with the great unwashed, unprincipled, thick and no manners. Refrain from public transport unless life in danger.

Nigelb said:

OldKingCole said:

Selebian said:

Leon said:

Stuartinromford said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes, and it's ghastly and it's not just teenagers.

Noticeable uptick in shouty aggression on the Lizzie Line as well. Everyone is just fed up.

TwiX is convinced it is a racial thing (I take no sides as I have never experienced it)

A lot of people saying it is more common with black and Asian people. They might simply be racist or mad (this is TwiX), however there are black and Asian people saying "Yeah I do this, it's what I prefer, cope with it"

What a to-do

I would guess* that black and Asian people are over-represented on buses, at least among those under 30 or so, so there could well be a perception of this just because there are more people from those groups.

I took two buses a couple of weeks ago, to and from a station -> university building (not my uni - I had time enough so thought I'd save money/the world by not going for a taxi ). There was one incident of this, on one journey, with a guy in his 20s (I'd guess) who was black. It wasn't particularly loud and didn't bother me really, but I can get why it would bother people. The two old biddies behind me shouting at each other (I guess they were both a bit deaf - the conversation was amicable) were more distracting.

*thinking broadly about deprivation correlation with bus use and also demographics within some cities where bus use might be more common

What was it Mrs Thatcher said about people over 30 using buses?

She was a frightful snob.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Nigelb said:

OldKingCole said:

Selebian said:

Leon said:

Stuartinromford said:

Leon said:

Is this really a thing now in the UK?

"Every single bus I get on now has people using their phone on loudspeaker. 100%.

This wasn't true two years ago. How does a society restore unspoken, shared community standards? Are there any examples of it being achieved?"

https://x.com/gavinantonyrice/status/1754090255580291366?s=20

I've not encountered this

However,

1. I rarely take buses

2. I am only in the UK half the year

Yes, and it's ghastly and it's not just teenagers.

Noticeable uptick in shouty aggression on the Lizzie Line as well. Everyone is just fed up.

TwiX is convinced it is a racial thing (I take no sides as I have never experienced it)

A lot of people saying it is more common with black and Asian people. They might simply be racist or mad (this is TwiX), however there are black and Asian people saying "Yeah I do this, it's what I prefer, cope with it"

What a to-do

I would guess* that black and Asian people are over-represented on buses, at least among those under 30 or so, so there could well be a perception of this just because there are more people from those groups.

I took two buses a couple of weeks ago, to and from a station -> university building (not my uni - I had time enough so thought I'd save money/the world by not going for a taxi ). There was one incident of this, on one journey, with a guy in his 20s (I'd guess) who was black. It wasn't particularly loud and didn't bother me really, but I can get why it would bother people. The two old biddies behind me shouting at each other (I guess they were both a bit deaf - the conversation was amicable) were more distracting.

*thinking broadly about deprivation correlation with bus use and also demographics within some cities where bus use might be more common

What was it Mrs Thatcher said about people over 30 using buses?

She was a frightful snob.

She was, but did she actually say it?

Cookie said:

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Leon said:

This guy is surely right. This isn’t a new and better version of VR and AR - this is the future of all interaction with screens. You will put on sleek trendy glasses and you will have virtual keyboards you can type on, virtual computers to show your work PLUS all the apps and movies and games (and real time lip synch translation) - actual hardware from TVs to phones to laptops will be redundant. You won’t need them. Anyone who makes any of that hardware should be worried

And they won’t be clunky oculus/fighter pilot helmets, they will be like cool Raybans

https://x.com/casey/status/1753848769118970152?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Even it it worked perfectly, the experience depends on you being the only person weaing one. If everyone is wearing them then it destroys the illusion.

What illusion ?
Replacing a TV, laptop, or tablet isn't an 'illusion', but a real thing.
It's only the case of mobile phones - where you lock the world out when using them in any case - that's slightly more problematic. And even that's just down to the technology improving.
I spend half the year wearing sunglasses anyway, because of my eyesight.

What mass uptake would do to social interaction is more concerning.

"Augmented reality" needs reality as well as augmentation.

If you're the only person wearing one, then you can have normal reality augmented by your device, but if everyone is wearing one, it changes the environment too in a much more fundamental way than smartphones do.

1) virtual keyboards sound awful. You need some sort of physical feedback, as the ZX81 demonstrated. Perhaps some sort of gloves with little sensors which clicked the fingers would do the trick, though you'd look a berk extravagantly preparing for a spot of typing.

2) as with all new technologies, this will definitely be used for p*rn to a surprisingly large degree. People (not all people, obvs) will be walking around in a constant state of arousal.

Leon said:

Cookie said:

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Leon said:

This guy is surely right. This isn’t a new and better version of VR and AR - this is the future of all interaction with screens. You will put on sleek trendy glasses and you will have virtual keyboards you can type on, virtual computers to show your work PLUS all the apps and movies and games (and real time lip synch translation) - actual hardware from TVs to phones to laptops will be redundant. You won’t need them. Anyone who makes any of that hardware should be worried

And they won’t be clunky oculus/fighter pilot helmets, they will be like cool Raybans

https://x.com/casey/status/1753848769118970152?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Even it it worked perfectly, the experience depends on you being the only person weaing one. If everyone is wearing them then it destroys the illusion.

What illusion ?
Replacing a TV, laptop, or tablet isn't an 'illusion', but a real thing.
It's only the case of mobile phones - where you lock the world out when using them in any case - that's slightly more problematic. And even that's just down to the technology improving.
I spend half the year wearing sunglasses anyway, because of my eyesight.

What mass uptake would do to social interaction is more concerning.

"Augmented reality" needs reality as well as augmentation.

If you're the only person wearing one, then you can have normal reality augmented by your device, but if everyone is wearing one, it changes the environment too in a much more fundamental way than smartphones do.

1) virtual keyboards sound awful. You need some sort of physical feedback, as the ZX81 demonstrated. Perhaps some sort of gloves with little sensors which clicked the fingers would do the trick, though you'd look a berk extravagantly preparing for a spot of typing.

2) as with all new technologies, this will definitely be used for p*rn to a surprisingly large degree. People (not all people, obvs) will be walking around in a constant state of arousal.

If we can get close to Artificial General Intelligence I’m pretty sure we can create “satisfying virtual keyboard clicky sounds”

viewcode said:

Pulpstar said:

algarkirk said:

A classic of the genre: People Who Know Everything Don't Know Anything Really Because Of Reasons. £45 Trillion Gazillion Will Solve It And Answer The Mystery Of The Universe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68172162

£12 Bn. That's about Birmingham to Kenilworth in HS2 costs I think ?

Edit: Probably optimistic, the Birmingham Curzon St to Interchange costs alone will probably exceed 12 Bn.

Solution: combine them

• Drill big long very straight tube in ground
  
• Install accelerator and train lines
  
• Run trains in day and accelerate particles at night
  

Plus at least in this case the signals will be maintained

turbotubbs said:

viewcode said:

Pulpstar said:

algarkirk said:

A classic of the genre: People Who Know Everything Don't Know Anything Really Because Of Reasons. £45 Trillion Gazillion Will Solve It And Answer The Mystery Of The Universe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68172162

£12 Bn. That's about Birmingham to Kenilworth in HS2 costs I think ?

Edit: Probably optimistic, the Birmingham Curzon St to Interchange costs alone will probably exceed 12 Bn.

Solution: combine them

• Drill big long very straight tube in ground
  
• Install accelerator and train lines
  
• Run trains in day and accelerate particles at night
  

Plus at least in this case the signals will be maintained

Combine motive power for both - pretty sure atom smashers use magnets to control ions etc - just need touse them for the motive power of the trains too.

Although as atom smashing is done in vacuo, perhaps its time to revisit Atmospheric Railways? Was Brunel right?

Cookie said:

Leon said:

Cookie said:

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Leon said:

This guy is surely right. This isn’t a new and better version of VR and AR - this is the future of all interaction with screens. You will put on sleek trendy glasses and you will have virtual keyboards you can type on, virtual computers to show your work PLUS all the apps and movies and games (and real time lip synch translation) - actual hardware from TVs to phones to laptops will be redundant. You won’t need them. Anyone who makes any of that hardware should be worried

And they won’t be clunky oculus/fighter pilot helmets, they will be like cool Raybans

https://x.com/casey/status/1753848769118970152?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Even it it worked perfectly, the experience depends on you being the only person weaing one. If everyone is wearing them then it destroys the illusion.

What illusion ?
Replacing a TV, laptop, or tablet isn't an 'illusion', but a real thing.
It's only the case of mobile phones - where you lock the world out when using them in any case - that's slightly more problematic. And even that's just down to the technology improving.
I spend half the year wearing sunglasses anyway, because of my eyesight.

What mass uptake would do to social interaction is more concerning.

"Augmented reality" needs reality as well as augmentation.

If you're the only person wearing one, then you can have normal reality augmented by your device, but if everyone is wearing one, it changes the environment too in a much more fundamental way than smartphones do.

1) virtual keyboards sound awful. You need some sort of physical feedback, as the ZX81 demonstrated. Perhaps some sort of gloves with little sensors which clicked the fingers would do the trick, though you'd look a berk extravagantly preparing for a spot of typing.

2) as with all new technologies, this will definitely be used for p*rn to a surprisingly large degree. People (not all people, obvs) will be walking around in a constant state of arousal.

If we can get close to Artificial General Intelligence I’m pretty sure we can create “satisfying virtual keyboard clicky sounds”

It's got to have the feel of pressing a button too. Just mashing your fingers into empty air feels ridiculous. Try it now. Most unsatisfying, clicks or not.
I'm sure it can be done. But it's not obvious how. But meanwhile it's very obvious that human interaction may become very odd, and that, say, if you are, for example, a barrista, of those customers in their snazzy AI glasses, an uncomfortably high proportion of them will be seeing you portrayed naked, or dressed in a manner of their choosing which is almost certainly not a manner of your choosing, or actually with someone else's face entirely.

Nigelb said:

Pulpstar said:

algarkirk said:

A classic of the genre: People Who Know Everything Don't Know Anything Really Because Of Reasons. £45 Trillion Gazillion Will Solve It And Answer The Mystery Of The Universe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68172162

£12 Bn. That's about Birmingham to Kenilworth in HS2 costs I think ?

Edit: Probably optimistic, the Birmingham Curzon St to Interchange costs alone will probably exceed 12 Bn.

For a multinational project, it's not that expensive...

Stuartinromford said:

Anabobazina said:

Buses are great, at least in London where they are run as a public service rather than as a deregulated feeding frenzy for the best routes.

As for loudspeaker listening, ban it. While they are at it, ban food and drink on buses and tubes too for all but babes in arms. Nobody is so hungry they can’t wait until after their bus ride to eat.

Either that, or (re)introduce proper buffet cars.

Cookie said:

Leon said:

Cookie said:

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Leon said:

This guy is surely right. This isn’t a new and better version of VR and AR - this is the future of all interaction with screens. You will put on sleek trendy glasses and you will have virtual keyboards you can type on, virtual computers to show your work PLUS all the apps and movies and games (and real time lip synch translation) - actual hardware from TVs to phones to laptops will be redundant. You won’t need them. Anyone who makes any of that hardware should be worried

And they won’t be clunky oculus/fighter pilot helmets, they will be like cool Raybans

https://x.com/casey/status/1753848769118970152?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Even it it worked perfectly, the experience depends on you being the only person weaing one. If everyone is wearing them then it destroys the illusion.

What illusion ?
Replacing a TV, laptop, or tablet isn't an 'illusion', but a real thing.
It's only the case of mobile phones - where you lock the world out when using them in any case - that's slightly more problematic. And even that's just down to the technology improving.
I spend half the year wearing sunglasses anyway, because of my eyesight.

What mass uptake would do to social interaction is more concerning.

"Augmented reality" needs reality as well as augmentation.

If you're the only person wearing one, then you can have normal reality augmented by your device, but if everyone is wearing one, it changes the environment too in a much more fundamental way than smartphones do.

1) virtual keyboards sound awful. You need some sort of physical feedback, as the ZX81 demonstrated. Perhaps some sort of gloves with little sensors which clicked the fingers would do the trick, though you'd look a berk extravagantly preparing for a spot of typing.

2) as with all new technologies, this will definitely be used for p*rn to a surprisingly large degree. People (not all people, obvs) will be walking around in a constant state of arousal.

If we can get close to Artificial General Intelligence I’m pretty sure we can create “satisfying virtual keyboard clicky sounds”

It's got to have the feel of pressing a button too. Just mashing your fingers into empty air feels ridiculous. Try it now. Most unsatisfying, clicks or not.
I'm sure it can be done. But it's not obvious how. But meanwhile it's very obvious that human interaction may become very odd, and that, say, if you are, for example, a barrista, of those customers in their snazzy AI glasses, an uncomfortably high proportion of them will be seeing you portrayed naked, or dressed in a manner of their choosing which is almost certainly not a manner of your choosing, or actually with someone else's face entirely.

algarkirk said:

Nigelb said:

Pulpstar said:

algarkirk said:

A classic of the genre: People Who Know Everything Don't Know Anything Really Because Of Reasons. £45 Trillion Gazillion Will Solve It And Answer The Mystery Of The Universe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68172162

£12 Bn. That's about Birmingham to Kenilworth in HS2 costs I think ?

Edit: Probably optimistic, the Birmingham Curzon St to Interchange costs alone will probably exceed 12 Bn.

For a multinational project, it's not that expensive...

I have no problem with doing it. What is a bit of a cliche is the way that the next step is going to unlock the secret of the universe in some final sort of way that us plebs will comprehend. At what point do we acknowledge that empirical enquiry is an infinite Russian doll?

Pulpstar said:

Eabhal said:

or abolish them entirely.

One thing I have no idea about is why we have both district and county level in rural areas. My Dad's a councillor in a unitary (Coventry) and the system of having one councillor and council for your area simply seems so much more efficient than where I am/ I'm also convinced it's why my council tax is a bit higher than the counterfactual of similar banded properties in neighbouring unitaries (Rotherham/Doncaster) compared to Bassetlaw.
I think a much stronger argument can be made for keeping parish/town rather than two levels at district/council as the responsibilities of those councils are far less and if you really want to get involved it's relatively easy to get elected and you can decide whether to have an annual village fete or whatever.

turbotubbs said:

Leon said:

Cookie said:

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Leon said:

This guy is surely right. This isn’t a new and better version of VR and AR - this is the future of all interaction with screens. You will put on sleek trendy glasses and you will have virtual keyboards you can type on, virtual computers to show your work PLUS all the apps and movies and games (and real time lip synch translation) - actual hardware from TVs to phones to laptops will be redundant. You won’t need them. Anyone who makes any of that hardware should be worried

And they won’t be clunky oculus/fighter pilot helmets, they will be like cool Raybans

https://x.com/casey/status/1753848769118970152?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Even it it worked perfectly, the experience depends on you being the only person weaing one. If everyone is wearing them then it destroys the illusion.

What illusion ?
Replacing a TV, laptop, or tablet isn't an 'illusion', but a real thing.
It's only the case of mobile phones - where you lock the world out when using them in any case - that's slightly more problematic. And even that's just down to the technology improving.
I spend half the year wearing sunglasses anyway, because of my eyesight.

What mass uptake would do to social interaction is more concerning.

"Augmented reality" needs reality as well as augmentation.

If you're the only person wearing one, then you can have normal reality augmented by your device, but if everyone is wearing one, it changes the environment too in a much more fundamental way than smartphones do.

1) virtual keyboards sound awful. You need some sort of physical feedback, as the ZX81 demonstrated. Perhaps some sort of gloves with little sensors which clicked the fingers would do the trick, though you'd look a berk extravagantly preparing for a spot of typing.

2) as with all new technologies, this will definitely be used for p*rn to a surprisingly large degree. People (not all people, obvs) will be walking around in a constant state of arousal.

If we can get close to Artificial General Intelligence I’m pretty sure we can create “satisfying virtual keyboard clicky sounds”

Great question. Do you believe that what we see now (LLMs) are anywhere close to AGI?

Scott_xP said:

@BBCNews

Ian Lavender: Dad's Army star dies aged 77 https://bbc.in/49hhDTD

viewcode said:

Malmesbury said:

turbotubbs said:

viewcode said:

Pulpstar said:

algarkirk said:

A classic of the genre: People Who Know Everything Don't Know Anything Really Because Of Reasons. £45 Trillion Gazillion Will Solve It And Answer The Mystery Of The Universe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68172162

£12 Bn. That's about Birmingham to Kenilworth in HS2 costs I think ?

Edit: Probably optimistic, the Birmingham Curzon St to Interchange costs alone will probably exceed 12 Bn.

Solution: combine them

• Drill big long very straight tube in ground
  
• Install accelerator and train lines
  
• Run trains in day and accelerate particles at night
  

Plus at least in this case the signals will be maintained

Combine motive power for both - pretty sure atom smashers use magnets to control ions etc - just need touse them for the motive power of the trains too.

Although as atom smashing is done in vacuo, perhaps its time to revisit Atmospheric Railways? Was Brunel right?

Hyperloop.....

Elon Musk has his own spaceforce, controls satellite communications, can produce flamethrowers, has just produced an armoured personnel carrier disguised as a car, and is implanting electrodes into people to produce a loyal slave workforce/army. Let's pay for him to make a machine to make black holes. That'll work.

Monksfield said:

Pulpstar said:

Eabhal said:

or abolish them entirely.

One thing I have no idea about is why we have both district and county level in rural areas. My Dad's a councillor in a unitary (Coventry) and the system of having one councillor and council for your area simply seems so much more efficient than where I am/ I'm also convinced it's why my council tax is a bit higher than the counterfactual of similar banded properties in neighbouring unitaries (Rotherham/Doncaster) compared to Bassetlaw.
I think a much stronger argument can be made for keeping parish/town rather than two levels at district/council as the responsibilities of those councils are far less and if you really want to get involved it's relatively easy to get elected and you can decide whether to have an annual village fete or whatever.

I’ve always contended that here in Shropshire the districts were better at developing local solutions than the UA has been. My solution would have been to keep the districts, abolish the County Council and have the strategic stuff driven through regional government with an appropriate representative assembly.

NickPalmer said:

Stuartinromford said:

Malmesbury said:

148grss said:

kjh said:

NickPalmer said:

I spend nearly all my time in two classic Tory areas (Godalming and rural Oxfordshire) and although I know a few people who are still planning to vote Tory, even they are doing it with a wry smile and don't dispute that it's time for a period in Opposition to reflect on their future direction. Most of my Tory friends are now either not planning to vote ("constructive abstention", one calls it) or switching, with most of those coming straight over to Labour, for the slightly dismaying reason that they don't see any difference between us and the LibDems. The LibDem literature is overwhelmingly focused on getting tactical votes, but that's fading in effectiveness, as people feel the Tories are goners anyway so they might as well just vote for the alternative Government. Both Labour and the LibDems arguably need to switch gear to a more positive and distinctive message to seal their respective deals, though it's awfully tempting to just keep the focus on how useless the Tories are.

There's a UK Polling Report poll on the Kingswood by-election next week predicting a Labour gain, but I'm not sure it's a real poll o just a projection from national polls?

I think your comment re the LDs is worryingly accurate @NickPalmer. They should pick up a lot of seats with the anti Tory vote and tactical voting, but with the polls as they are I suspect that in many of these seats instead of the LDs winning it will result in a lot of Tory holds and a big Labour vote, with the possibility of the occasional Labour win coming through from 3rd.

I also agree it is sad that people can't see a distinction between the two parties, which isn't helped by the LD (necessary) tactical voting message.

I hope I am wrong as I want the LDs to do well, but if Labour rack up huge votes in places like Guildford and Godalming it is going to be depressing. In the past it has always been easy to squeeze these. Not sure anymore.

I'm surprised people see no difference between Labour and the LDs rather than Labour and the Tories - is that still a coalition hangover or just the general insignificance of the LDs nationally? The LDs, for example, have not backed Israel to the hilt like Labour and the Conservatives and are (at least from what I can see in the new safe seat of St Albans) going back to being more a critique of Labour from the left then the Cleggist Orange Bookers that would support Tories. They're trying to out green Labour (and the Greens) in local elections and wouldn't be surprised to see them attack Starmer for backing down on his £28 billion pledge being dropped.

Most people are looking at the parties in general - you are looking at specific issues. The Lib Dems are also adept at picking up local issues to get an edge. Using the Green/NIMBY nexus is SOP.

The LibDems are trying to be Social Democrats in the European party sense of the word.

Starmer is trying to move Labour to a similar position.

It's therefore not surprising that the two parties are seen as similar.

It's an obvious thing to do- right now, it's probably where the votes are. And there are definitely worse ways to run a country. But the Lib Dems are always going to come second in a fight for that slot.

The other gap in the market right now looks like the "coaliation wasn't that bad, really", centre-rightist dads, if you like. Noone is really going for that vote, which is annoying for those of us in that space.

Is that ground just too toxic for anyone to want to occupy?

Not sure. But certainly the LibDems in my two areas are using absolutely NONE of the issues that 148 mentions in their leaflets. Every leaflet says 1. Tories are awful. 2. Only we can beat them (with misproportioned bar chart etc.). 3. So vote for us. There is virtually nothing about policy - not even NIMBY issues.

Labour's national leaflets are a bit more issue-related but still the same structure:

1. Tories are awful on [issue - typically NHS or cost of living]. 2. Only Labour can replace them in government. 3. So vote for us.

I'm biased, of course, hut I don't think the pure LibDem tactical vote spiel works as well as it used to. Partly that's because Labour can do it too - with polls as they are (Tories halved, Labour up by half, LibDems slightly down on 2019), there's a case for saying that Labour is the main challenger almost anywhere, cf. mid-Beds. But also the third party nationally needs a couple of issues to champion, or they just get drowned out. The obvious one is "Rejoin EU" but if they don't want that, maybe "Raise taxes on the rich to pay for services", as that's ground that Labour eyes with trepidation but lots of floating voters are absolutely up for.

Anabobazina said:

Stuartinromford said:

Anabobazina said:

Buses are great, at least in London where they are run as a public service rather than as a deregulated feeding frenzy for the best routes.

As for loudspeaker listening, ban it. While they are at it, ban food and drink on buses and tubes too for all but babes in arms. Nobody is so hungry they can’t wait until after their bus ride to eat.

Either that, or (re)introduce proper buffet cars.

On buses? 😄

Scott_xP said:

isam said:

Tracy Chapman’s voice is no different to how it was when she first sung Fast Car nearly 40 years ago

Here is the full clip

https://x.com/EZRideryoyall/status/1754317628661768555?s=20

EDIT: My sincerest apologies, this link should have included a trigger warning as the video clearly shows Taylor Swift singing along to every word...

Scott_xP said:

@BBCNews

Ian Lavender: Dad's Army star dies aged 77 https://bbc.in/49hhDTD

Leon said:

turbotubbs said:

Leon said:

Cookie said:

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Leon said:

This guy is surely right. This isn’t a new and better version of VR and AR - this is the future of all interaction with screens. You will put on sleek trendy glasses and you will have virtual keyboards you can type on, virtual computers to show your work PLUS all the apps and movies and games (and real time lip synch translation) - actual hardware from TVs to phones to laptops will be redundant. You won’t need them. Anyone who makes any of that hardware should be worried

And they won’t be clunky oculus/fighter pilot helmets, they will be like cool Raybans

https://x.com/casey/status/1753848769118970152?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

Even it it worked perfectly, the experience depends on you being the only person weaing one. If everyone is wearing them then it destroys the illusion.

What illusion ?
Replacing a TV, laptop, or tablet isn't an 'illusion', but a real thing.
It's only the case of mobile phones - where you lock the world out when using them in any case - that's slightly more problematic. And even that's just down to the technology improving.
I spend half the year wearing sunglasses anyway, because of my eyesight.

What mass uptake would do to social interaction is more concerning.

"Augmented reality" needs reality as well as augmentation.

If you're the only person wearing one, then you can have normal reality augmented by your device, but if everyone is wearing one, it changes the environment too in a much more fundamental way than smartphones do.

1) virtual keyboards sound awful. You need some sort of physical feedback, as the ZX81 demonstrated. Perhaps some sort of gloves with little sensors which clicked the fingers would do the trick, though you'd look a berk extravagantly preparing for a spot of typing.

2) as with all new technologies, this will definitely be used for p*rn to a surprisingly large degree. People (not all people, obvs) will be walking around in a constant state of arousal.

If we can get close to Artificial General Intelligence I’m pretty sure we can create “satisfying virtual keyboard clicky sounds”

Great question. Do you believe that what we see now (LLMs) are anywhere close to AGI?

That all depends on the definition of AGI - and of course people keep moving the goalposts, or they impose impossible-to-meet conditions like "is self-aware like a human"

Probably the best practical definition is "a computer that can do most cognitive tasks as well as the average human", and if we accept that, I would say yes the latest LLMs are really quite close to AGI, but not there yet

viewcode said:

Malmesbury said:

viewcode said:

Pulpstar said:

algarkirk said:

A classic of the genre: People Who Know Everything Don't Know Anything Really Because Of Reasons. £45 Trillion Gazillion Will Solve It And Answer The Mystery Of The Universe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68172162

£12 Bn. That's about Birmingham to Kenilworth in HS2 costs I think ?

Edit: Probably optimistic, the Birmingham Curzon St to Interchange costs alone will probably exceed 12 Bn.

Solution: combine them

• Drill big long very straight tube in ground
  
• Install accelerator and train lines
  
• Run trains in day and accelerate particles at night
  

Plus at least in this case the signals will be maintained

Slacker

Build the accelerator just a tad bit more powerful. Accelerate the trains to 99.99999% of C.

This will mean awesome science in the evenings. It may render this spiral arm of the Galaxy uninhabitable, but screw the NIMBies.

EDIT: straight line *does* mean no Synchrotron radiation. So it saves on the 'leecy bill.

At 99.99999% of C a commuter on a 2hr train from London to York will have a relativistically reduced subjective transit time of about four seconds. Admittedly will also be converted into a very thin red smear, but can't have everything.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/time-dilation

Scott_xP said:

isam said:

Tracy Chapman’s voice is no different to how it was when she first sung Fast Car nearly 40 years ago

Here is the full clip

https://x.com/EZRideryoyall/status/1754317628661768555?s=20

EDIT: My sincerest apologies, this link should have included a trigger warning as the video clearly shows Taylor Swift singing along to every word...

williamglenn said:

Scott_xP said:

isam said:

Tracy Chapman’s voice is no different to how it was when she first sung Fast Car nearly 40 years ago

Here is the full clip

https://x.com/EZRideryoyall/status/1754317628661768555?s=20

EDIT: My sincerest apologies, this link should have included a trigger warning as the video clearly shows Taylor Swift singing along to every word...

The discourse around Fast Car becoming a hit again last year was seriously bizarre. People were acting as if she was some unknown "black queer" artist who had been exploited by some white guy making a cover a hit, rather than the reality that she was a major star at the time and he brought her to the attention of a new generation.

viewcode said:

algarkirk said:

A classic of the genre: People Who Know Everything Don't Know Anything Really Because Of Reasons. £45 Trillion Gazillion Will Solve It And Answer The Mystery Of The Universe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68172162

Dear Mr & Ms Scientists
Yes, I like science too. And it has to be said that if you are going to waste public money, giving it to scientists to do science well is better than giving it to bankers to do banking badly. But we are a bit strapped for the moment. Can this wait for a decade plz?
XXX, viewcode