Record low temperatures forecast for Iowa’s polling day – politicalbetting.com
Record low temperatures forecast for Iowa’s polling day – politicalbetting.com
On Monday it is the first event of WH2024 starting as usual with the Iowa caucuses.
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I'm still calling Haley President 2024 (OK technically Jan 2025)0
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It's only -2 here.0
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If Iowa is going to continue to benefit to the tune of many, many millions of dollars for this nonsense every 4 years they are really going to have to come up with a better product.
More often than not this proves to be a total shambles. The Democrats are already walking away. The GOP may do likewise.0 -
As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.
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O/T FPT
That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)Barnesian said:
The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.Casino_Royale said:
I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.Benpointer said:
One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.Casino_Royale said:
So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?IanB2 said:
It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:JosiasJessop said:Just to add another figure onto the scene:
"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495
Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.
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Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.
The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.
The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.
Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
EDIT And Fujitsu
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AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.0 -
Caucuses, in Iowa or elsewhere, are a logistical challenge = major pain in the ass.
That is, IF the turnout is at all sizable. Speaking as one who has been there and done that, including presiding over my own precinct's caucus several times in Seattle.
Could NOT have done any policking even if I'd wanted to, was totally occupied getting things rolling, answering questions, conducting voting, counting votes, doing math, electing actual delegates to next level (legislative district), filling out paperwork, keeping kids happy with coloring books while they waited for mom/dad, etc., etc.2 -
And it will be dark, so they cant even admire Iowa’s stunning scenery on the way.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.0 -
-43C (well -42.7778)DavidL said:
AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.0 -
I don't think that the Police were trying to prove that that Sutcliffe's work was infallibleMexicanpete said:O/T FPT
That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)Barnesian said:
The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.Casino_Royale said:
I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.Benpointer said:
One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.Casino_Royale said:
So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?IanB2 said:
It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:JosiasJessop said:Just to add another figure onto the scene:
"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495
Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then..
Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.
The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.
The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.
Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
EDIT And Fujitsu
That's exactly what the PO Lice did with Fujitsu's botched job
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I agree if Haley sees off Trump first.londonpubman said:I'm still calling Haley President 2024 (OK technically Jan 2025)
I suspect Biden only wants to do the same.0 -
No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.DavidL said:
AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.
Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.
SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.0 -
Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.Mexicanpete said:O/T FPT
That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)Barnesian said:
The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.Casino_Royale said:
I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.Benpointer said:
One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.Casino_Royale said:
So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?IanB2 said:
It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:JosiasJessop said:Just to add another figure onto the scene:
"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495
Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then..
Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.
The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.
The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.
Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
EDIT And Fujitsu
It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.0 -
Oh, I agree, I'd take them to the cleaners; I just wonder if they're being used to avoid any deeper scrutiny of and changes to our public services. And they'll still come out significantly ahead due to future Government work.Mexicanpete said:O/T FPT
That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)Barnesian said:
The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.Casino_Royale said:
I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.Benpointer said:
One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.Casino_Royale said:
So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?IanB2 said:
It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:JosiasJessop said:Just to add another figure onto the scene:
"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495
Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then..
Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.
The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.
The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.
Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
EDIT And Fujitsu1 -
Didn't you read the last thread about the NU10K?Casino_Royale said:
Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.Mexicanpete said:O/T FPT
That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)Barnesian said:
The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.Casino_Royale said:
I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.Benpointer said:
One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.Casino_Royale said:
So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?IanB2 said:
It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:JosiasJessop said:Just to add another figure onto the scene:
"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495
Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then..
Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.
The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.
The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.
Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
EDIT And Fujitsu
It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.1 -
Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?2
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He wants his payoff in cashAnabobazina said:Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?
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Democrats HAVE walked away, the Iowa Democratic caucuses being nothing like in past, replaced by a more-or-less ordinary statewide vote, with the 2024 caucus meetings for chosing people who will cast convention votes based on the statewide . . . .though COULD be some funny business down the line.DavidL said:If Iowa is going to continue to benefit to the tune of many, many millions of dollars for this nonsense every 4 years they are really going to have to come up with a better product.
More often than not this proves to be a total shambles. The Democrats are already walking away. The GOP may do likewise.
Actually just two shambles since 1972, but likely at least one too many.
GOP have actually INCREASED number of caucuses for 2024, as overt strategy to aid Trump.0 -
Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?
Lots of cash obsessives on here. Why keep bringing it up?BlancheLivermore said:
He wants his payoff in cashAnabobazina said:Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?
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Yes indeed.Casino_Royale said:
Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.Mexicanpete said:O/T FPT
That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)Barnesian said:
The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.Casino_Royale said:
I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.Benpointer said:
One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.Casino_Royale said:
So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?IanB2 said:
It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:JosiasJessop said:Just to add another figure onto the scene:
"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495
Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then..
Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.
The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.
The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.
Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
EDIT And Fujitsu
It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.1 -
You and I could battle it out for the Dreariest Poster of the Year award.Anabobazina said:@Mexicanpete should go. And go now. Boring.
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Go to bed.Anabobazina said:Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?
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Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-284316920 -
The fiery rage of Trump supporters will warm their hearts and bodies sufficiently for him to win by 30-50 points.
This is true - I'm surprised Trump hasn't said the same thing, since he did not win Iowa in 2016, but he's gone the other route and just pretends that he did, not even that it was rigged (he said that too, beforehand), just pretends he won outright.DavidL said:If Iowa is going to continue to benefit to the tune of many, many millions of dollars for this nonsense every 4 years they are really going to have to come up with a better product.
More often than not this proves to be a total shambles. The Democrats are already walking away. The GOP may do likewise.0 -
Go. And go now. And take @Casino_Royale with you. Do the honourable thing. Fall on your sword. Go.Mexicanpete said:
You and I could battle it out for the Dreariest Poster of the Year award.Anabobazina said:@Mexicanpete should go. And go now. Boring.
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Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.Foxy said:
Yes indeed.Casino_Royale said:
Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.Mexicanpete said:O/T FPT
That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)Barnesian said:
The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.Casino_Royale said:
I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.Benpointer said:
One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.Casino_Royale said:
So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?IanB2 said:
It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:JosiasJessop said:Just to add another figure onto the scene:
"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495
Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then..
Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.
The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.
The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.
Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
EDIT And Fujitsu
It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.0 -
Why are you still here? The game is up.Casino_Royale said:
Go to bed.Anabobazina said:Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?
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Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.DavidL said:
AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.
Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.
SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.0 -
As crazy as some of the rules, procedures, and events can be, I do kind of admire the sheer glut of democratic contests the US has, and all the caucuses, primaries (sometimes both), and myriad of elected officials for roles that really do not require it at all.
When it's not a year with the world's most hateful man trying to stay out of prison running with the support of 50% of the country that is.1 -
Cash on the Barrel HeadAnabobazina said:Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?
Lots of cash obsessives on here. Why keep bringing it up?BlancheLivermore said:
He wants his payoff in cashAnabobazina said:Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymjc3fO5xAg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDlBwf-CJPw0 -
No, I think this is the real thing.IanB2 said:
Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.Foxy said:
Yes indeed.Casino_Royale said:
Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.Mexicanpete said:O/T FPT
That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)Barnesian said:
The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.Casino_Royale said:
I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.Benpointer said:
One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.Casino_Royale said:
So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?IanB2 said:
It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:JosiasJessop said:Just to add another figure onto the scene:
"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495
Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then..
Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.
The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.
The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.
Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
EDIT And Fujitsu
It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.0 -
Will Haley or Biden see off @Casino_Royale?Daveyboy1961 said:
I agree if Haley sees off Trump first.londonpubman said:I'm still calling Haley President 2024 (OK technically Jan 2025)
I suspect Biden only wants to do the same.
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I assume you are saying this in jest as calling for a fellow poster you do not agree with to leave the site is not appropriateAnabobazina said:
Go. And go now. And take @Casino_Royale with you. Do the honourable thing. Fall on your sword. Go.Mexicanpete said:
You and I could battle it out for the Dreariest Poster of the Year award.Anabobazina said:@Mexicanpete should go. And go now. Boring.
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If I could bring up cash, I'd be bulimicAnabobazina said:Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?
Lots of cash obsessives on here. Why keep bringing it up?BlancheLivermore said:
He wants his payoff in cashAnabobazina said:Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?
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What is the matter with you all?5
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The inquiry won’t report until mid 2025 at the earliest, so I hope people have sufficient patience.Foxy said:
No, I think this is the real thing.IanB2 said:
Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.Foxy said:
Yes indeed.Casino_Royale said:
Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.Mexicanpete said:O/T FPT
That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)Barnesian said:
The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.Casino_Royale said:
I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.Benpointer said:
One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.Casino_Royale said:
So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?IanB2 said:
It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:JosiasJessop said:Just to add another figure onto the scene:
"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495
Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then..
Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.
The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.
The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.
Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
EDIT And Fujitsu
It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.0 -
Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".Big_G_NorthWales said:Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-284316927 -
According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)gettingbetter said:
Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.DavidL said:
AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.
Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.
SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.0 -
Still a tasty 228.15 Kelvin. No worries!SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.DavidL said:
AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.
Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.
SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.3 -
Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)gettingbetter said:
Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.DavidL said:
AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.
Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.
SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.0 -
It won't dominate the news every week, but it will grab attention periodically all year.IanB2 said:
The inquiry won’t report until mid 2025 at the earliest, so I hope people have sufficient patience.Foxy said:
No, I think this is the real thing.IanB2 said:
Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.Foxy said:
Yes indeed.Casino_Royale said:
Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.Mexicanpete said:O/T FPT
That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)Barnesian said:
The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.Daveyboy1961 said:
It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.Casino_Royale said:
I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.Benpointer said:
One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.Casino_Royale said:
So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?IanB2 said:
It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:JosiasJessop said:Just to add another figure onto the scene:
"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495
Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then..
Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.
The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.
The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.
Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
EDIT And Fujitsu
It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.0 -
Has cash been abolished yet?0
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Latest analysis on the Hunter Biden enquiry.
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When will Des Moines resign?IanB2 said:
Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)gettingbetter said:
Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.DavidL said:
AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.
Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.
SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.1 -
https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/weather/2024/01/11/winter-storm-iowa-blizzard-live-updates-be-prepared-parking-511-national-weather-service-forecast/72189570007/
"While heavy snowfall is moving out of central Iowa, winds will ensure difficult travel conditions stick around.
As of 3 p.m. Friday, at least seven stretches of highways in western Iowa and one in north central Iowa were listed as "impassable" by the Iowa Department of Transportation and most roads east of Interstate 35 were labeled as "travel not advised."
The National Weather Service warned that more roads were likely to become impassable as blizzard conditions continued in the state.
Snow started falling in Des Moines just before midnight on Thursday night. Here are the latest updates as blizzard conditions continue:
3:45 p.m: Wind chills not expected to reach positive numbers again until Wednesday
Bundle up and stay indoors! The wind chill at 3:45 p.m. Friday had dipped to minus 4 and it's only going to get lower.
Wind chills are expected to dip into the negative 20s on Friday night and could reach as low as minus 45 degrees over the weekend."
All temperatures in Red Blooded American Fahrenheit, not that woke Celsius crap0 -
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I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been
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Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.
First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.
Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.
Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.
You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!1 -
-7.7C at my vineyard on Wednesday night. No US caucus there though.1
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Why? When? Where?Scott_xP said:I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been
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It’s really noticeable how population density drops off so suddenly along a line half way across the US.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.
First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.
Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.
Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.
You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!
In fact 2 lines, the starkest one being at the edge of the Great Plains but a less marked but still clear one halfway across the Midwest.
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We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.
First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.
I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.
I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.0 -
Isn't Des Moines a snooker commentator from West Bromwich East?Luckyguy1983 said:
When will Des Moines resign?IanB2 said:
Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)gettingbetter said:
Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.DavidL said:
AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.
Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.
SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.2 -
I remain incandescent at this short sighted stupidity.TimS said:
Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".Big_G_NorthWales said:Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692
Incredible, but Sunak is turning out to be a worse PM than Johnson.
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Waterloo. Work. 20 some years agoSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Why? When? Where?Scott_xP said:I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been
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On one of their long, straight main roads, I drove right through an intersection on red before I realised. Lucky escape.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.
First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.
Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.
Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.
You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!0 -
It’s easy to understand why Bryson liked to travel.Scott_xP said:
We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.
First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.
I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.
I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.0 -
I would have thought Haley or DeSantis supporters may be more likely to attend the caucuses and debate their candidates and then support them than Trump supporters. Trump supporters would turn out for him in a general election and in better weather probably in a primary too but are much less likely to want to travel through heavy snow and freezing temperatures to spend hours in a hall pushing him to others0
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Sunak looks overwhelmed by the job to me.
Only the very greatest are not found out by the very top job.
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Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.Scott_xP said:
Waterloo. Work. 20 some years agoSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Why? When? Where?Scott_xP said:I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been
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Not for long if I have my way.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Isn't Des Moines a snooker commentator from West Bromwich East?Luckyguy1983 said:
When will Des Moines resign?IanB2 said:
Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)gettingbetter said:
Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.DavidL said:
AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.SeaShantyIrish2 said:As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.
And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.
Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.
IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.
Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.
Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.
Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.
Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.
SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.0 -
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But Starmer seems all too keen to double down on it, Brexit style.rottenborough said:
I remain incandescent at this short sighted stupidity.TimS said:
Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".Big_G_NorthWales said:Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692
Incredible, but Sunak is turning out to be a worse PM than Johnson.
The need for more capacity on the West coast line hasn’t gone away but he seems unduly keen to write it off.
Where’s the Kennedy speech? “We choose to go to Manchester. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard”,1 -
Did you visit the Grout Museum?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.Scott_xP said:
Waterloo. Work. 20 some years agoSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Why? When? Where?Scott_xP said:I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been
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You really shouldn't drive tired.Scott_xP said:
We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.
First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.
I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.
I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.4 -
Insider Advantage Iowa GOP caucuses poll taken post Christie's withdrawal has Trump on 51% DeSantis 17% Haley 17% and Ramaswamy 7%
https://insideradvantage.com/insideradvantage-iowa-gop-poll-post-christie-withdrawal-survey-shows-trumps-lead-holds-desantis-and-haley-tied/0 -
rottenborough said:
Sunak looks overwhelmed by the job to me.
Only the very greatest are not found out by the very top job.
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I did that once in Australia. Driving straight for so long you just cease to notice even stuff like other highways.IanB2 said:
On one of their long, straight main roads, I drove right through an intersection on red before I realised. Lucky escape.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.
First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.
Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.
Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.
You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!0 -
It’s also easy to understand, flying over Chicago and Westward over the plains, why SimCity looks like it does. The whole centre of the US looks like a computer sim game.IanB2 said:
It’s easy to understand why Bryson liked to travel.Scott_xP said:
We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.
First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.
I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.
I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.0 -
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsmanchester/andy-burnham-is-working-with-private-companies-on-an-alternative-hs2-plan/ar-AA1mMK7e?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5912f168df814248a77ec89f5737d60b&ei=6TimS said:
But Starmer seems all too keen to double down on it, Brexit style.rottenborough said:
I remain incandescent at this short sighted stupidity.TimS said:
Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".Big_G_NorthWales said:Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692
Incredible, but Sunak is turning out to be a worse PM than Johnson.
The need for more capacity on the West coast line hasn’t gone away but he seems unduly keen to write it off.
Where’s the Kennedy speech? “We choose to go to Manchester. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard”,0 -
Somehow missed that. Drat!Scott_xP said:
Did you visit the Grout Museum?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.Scott_xP said:
Waterloo. Work. 20 some years agoSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Why? When? Where?Scott_xP said:I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been
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Did see Jesse Jackson address a large rally at a Black church in Waterloo, location of one of the larger concentrations of African Americans in Iowa. Which ain't saying much, but it they're there.
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Of course the more important election is tomorrow in Taiwan.1
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We're quite well-versed in all things Iowan here in the UK thanks to Bill Bryson.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.
First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.
Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.
Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.
You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!2 -
Speaking of Waterloo, Iowa (doesn't everyone) recall the day (or rather evening) when I drove into town from Des Moines, a drive of several hours on semi-icy roads past very snowy fields.
Temperature had been dropping all day, and by the time I made Waterloo (pronounced "water-LOO" by locals) it was well below freezing. So cold in fact, that my car's humble radiator began freezing up; I was damn lucky to make it.
Especially as it was in the dim, distant days before cell phones; and in a land where you could (and still can) drive for miles before seeing a house, or an outhouse for that matter.0 -
Don't encourage him.Andy_JS said:Keep calmer and vote Starmer.
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I've just finished the final episode.
Something in both eyes.3 -
There's a museum dedicated to 1950s/60s Australian wicket keeper Wally Grout? I must visit it sometime.Scott_xP said:
Did you visit the Grout Museum?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.Scott_xP said:
Waterloo. Work. 20 some years agoSeaShantyIrish2 said:
Why? When? Where?Scott_xP said:I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been
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If you let in more mexicans it wouldnt be so emptySeaShantyIrish2 said:Speaking of Waterloo, Iowa (doesn't everyone) recall the day (or rather evening) when I drove into town from Des Moines, a drive of several hours on semi-icy roads past very snowy fields.
Temperature had been dropping all day, and by the time I made Waterloo (pronounced "water-LOO" by locals) it was well below freezing. So cold in fact, that my car's humble radiator began freezing up; I was damn lucky to make it.
Especially as it was in the dim, distant days before cell phones; and in a land where you could (and still can) drive for miles before seeing a house, or an outhouse for that matter.1 -
"My guess is that unless things improve rapidly the turnout level will be SHIT".
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Grout Museum District, Waterloo, Iowa
The Grout Museum District – named after Henry W. Grout – is a set of museums in Waterloo, Iowa. The District consists of the Grout Museum of History & Science, Bluedorn Science Imaginarium, Rensselaer Russell House Museum, Snowden House and the Sullivan Brothers Iowa Veterans Museum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grout_Museum
https://www.groutmuseumdistrict.org/?gclid=CjwKCAiA44OtBhAOEiwAj4gpOfaB6HtS8wdbWXmcj1L1KrLkJPVHwG1fQ8W7LcSuGhVJe3RNCTG3DRoC4SYQAvD_BwE
Am obliged to Scott for turning me on this the existence of something I didn't know existed.
However, I did know about the Sullivan Brothers, but had forgotten they came from Waterloo:
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If Keir doesn't win the GE having been about 800% ahead for the last two years then your MP will be LAB leader.Sunil_Prasannan said:"My guess is that unless things improve rapidly the turnout level will be SHIT".
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In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/12/flagship-labour-plan-scrap-non-dom-tax-breaks?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other0 -
Ha! Where's yer global warming now!TimS said:-7.7C at my vineyard on Wednesday night. No US caucus there though.
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Maybe LAB and CON will have a combined manifesto??Big_G_NorthWales said:In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals
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It's a total coincidence that South Africa is making a splash at the International Court in The Hague, a few months before an election at which the ANC may lose its majority for the first time in 30 years, since democratic elections were introduced there.1
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I think they already have.londonpubman said:
Maybe LAB and CON will have a combined manifesto??Big_G_NorthWales said:In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals
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Oh, the Sullivans after whom a Fletcher-class destroyer was named? Now those I have heard of.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Grout Museum District, Waterloo, Iowa
The Grout Museum District – named after Henry W. Grout – is a set of museums in Waterloo, Iowa. The District consists of the Grout Museum of History & Science, Bluedorn Science Imaginarium, Rensselaer Russell House Museum, Snowden House and the Sullivan Brothers Iowa Veterans Museum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grout_Museum
https://www.groutmuseumdistrict.org/?gclid=CjwKCAiA44OtBhAOEiwAj4gpOfaB6HtS8wdbWXmcj1L1KrLkJPVHwG1fQ8W7LcSuGhVJe3RNCTG3DRoC4SYQAvD_BwE
Am obliged to Scott for turning me on this the existence of something I didn't know existed.
However, I did know about the Sullivan Brothers, but had forgotten they came from Waterloo:
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Looks increasingly likelylondonpubman said:
Maybe LAB and CON will have a combined manifesto??Big_G_NorthWales said:In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals
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If you like Lurpak, vote Sunak.Daveyboy1961 said:1 -
Boeing's Open Door policy is at fault.Leon said:
The syphilis of Woke is entering its tertiary stage where it starts killing businesses, or peopleCasino_Royale said:
They also keep banging on about vegan food - I'm not joking.Leon said:The observation is exact. I’m coming round to the neologism
You have skipped an important point: their religious faith. The old Upper Ten Thousand had to be observant Church of England, at least ostensibly, with perhaps a few token Jews and Catholics
The NU10K have to be Woke; that is their belief system, which similarly binds them together
I'm on a major committee for an organisation and they keep going on about it to demonstrate their commitment to climate change. So it's about only laying this on at their events and meetings. Because it's "progressive".
I struggle to challenge this in a calm way - it's very unpopular, and their members have said so - and, of course, you can end up looking like the difficult one / bogeyman even though you know many secretly agree.
TwiX is right now engulfed in debate at to how much Wokeness has contributed to the fall of Boeing. Turns out Boeing is extremely Woke and might have neglected - might - important safety aspects in pursuit of DEI (diversity, equity, inclusion)
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