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Record low temperatures forecast for Iowa’s polling day – politicalbetting.com

On Monday it is the first event of WH2024 starting as usual with the Iowa caucuses.

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tlg86

First.

londonpubman

I'm still calling Haley President 2024 (OK technically Jan 2025)

DavidL

It's only -2 here.

DavidL

If Iowa is going to continue to benefit to the tune of many, many millions of dollars for this nonsense every 4 years they are really going to have to come up with a better product.

More often than not this proves to be a total shambles. The Democrats are already walking away. The GOP may do likewise.

SeaShantyIrish2

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

Mexicanpete

O/T FPT

Luckyguy1983 said:

Barnesian said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

IanB2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Just to add another figure onto the scene:

"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

.

So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?

One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.

I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.

It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.

The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
EDIT And Fujitsu

I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)

That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

Carnyx

DavidL said:

It's only -2 here.

Don't you mean 28 degrees?

DavidL

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.

SeaShantyIrish2

Caucuses, in Iowa or elsewhere, are a logistical challenge = major pain in the ass.

That is, IF the turnout is at all sizable. Speaking as one who has been there and done that, including presiding over my own precinct's caucus several times in Seattle.

Could NOT have done any policking even if I'd wanted to, was totally occupied getting things rolling, answering questions, conducting voting, counting votes, doing math, electing actual delegates to next level (legislative district), filling out paperwork, keeping kids happy with coloring books while they waited for mom/dad, etc., etc.

IanB2

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

And it will be dark, so they cant even admire Iowa’s stunning scenery on the way.

CatMan

DavidL said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.

-43C (well -42.7778)

BlancheLivermore

Mexicanpete said:

O/T FPT

Luckyguy1983 said:

Barnesian said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

IanB2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Just to add another figure onto the scene:

"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

.

So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?

One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.

I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.

It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.

The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
EDIT And Fujitsu

I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)

That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

I don't think that the Police were trying to prove that that Sutcliffe's work was infallible

That's exactly what the PO Lice did with Fujitsu's botched job

Daveyboy1961

londonpubman said:

I'm still calling Haley President 2024 (OK technically Jan 2025)

I agree if Haley sees off Trump first.

I suspect Biden only wants to do the same.

DavidL

Carnyx said:

DavidL said:

It's only -2 here.

Don't you mean 28 degrees?

I would if I was American in fairness. But no.

SeaShantyIrish2

DavidL said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.

No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.

Casino_Royale

Mexicanpete said:

O/T FPT

Luckyguy1983 said:

Barnesian said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

IanB2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Just to add another figure onto the scene:

"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

.

So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?

One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.

I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.

It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.

The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
EDIT And Fujitsu

I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)

That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.

Luckyguy1983

Mexicanpete said:

O/T FPT

Luckyguy1983 said:

Barnesian said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

IanB2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Just to add another figure onto the scene:

"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

.

So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?

One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.

I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.

It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.

The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
EDIT And Fujitsu

I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)

That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

Oh, I agree, I'd take them to the cleaners; I just wonder if they're being used to avoid any deeper scrutiny of and changes to our public services. And they'll still come out significantly ahead due to future Government work.

DavidL

Casino_Royale said:

Mexicanpete said:

O/T FPT

Luckyguy1983 said:

Barnesian said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

IanB2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Just to add another figure onto the scene:

"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

.

So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?

One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.

I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.

It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.

The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
EDIT And Fujitsu

I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)

That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.

Didn't you read the last thread about the NU10K?

Anabobazina

Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

BlancheLivermore

Anabobazina said:

Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

He wants his payoff in cash

SeaShantyIrish2

DavidL said:

If Iowa is going to continue to benefit to the tune of many, many millions of dollars for this nonsense every 4 years they are really going to have to come up with a better product.

More often than not this proves to be a total shambles. The Democrats are already walking away. The GOP may do likewise.

Democrats HAVE walked away, the Iowa Democratic caucuses being nothing like in past, replaced by a more-or-less ordinary statewide vote, with the 2024 caucus meetings for chosing people who will cast convention votes based on the statewide . . . .though COULD be some funny business down the line.

Actually just two shambles since 1972, but likely at least one too many.

GOP have actually INCREASED number of caucuses for 2024, as overt strategy to aid Trump.

Anabobazina

Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

BlancheLivermore said:

Anabobazina said:

Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

He wants his payoff in cash

Lots of cash obsessives on here. Why keep bringing it up?

Foxy

Casino_Royale said:

Mexicanpete said:

O/T FPT

Luckyguy1983 said:

Barnesian said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

IanB2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Just to add another figure onto the scene:

"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

.

So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?

One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.

I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.

It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.

The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
EDIT And Fujitsu

I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)

That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.

Yes indeed.

We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.

Mexicanpete

Anabobazina said:

@Mexicanpete should go. And go now. Boring.

You and I could battle it out for the Dreariest Poster of the Year award.

Anabobazina

….

Casino_Royale

Anabobazina said:

Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

Go to bed.

Big_G_NorthWales

Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692

kle4

The fiery rage of Trump supporters will warm their hearts and bodies sufficiently for him to win by 30-50 points.

DavidL said:

If Iowa is going to continue to benefit to the tune of many, many millions of dollars for this nonsense every 4 years they are really going to have to come up with a better product.

More often than not this proves to be a total shambles. The Democrats are already walking away. The GOP may do likewise.

This is true - I'm surprised Trump hasn't said the same thing, since he did not win Iowa in 2016, but he's gone the other route and just pretends that he did, not even that it was rigged (he said that too, beforehand), just pretends he won outright.

Anabobazina

Mexicanpete said:

Anabobazina said:

@Mexicanpete should go. And go now. Boring.

You and I could battle it out for the Dreariest Poster of the Year award.

Go. And go now. And take @Casino_Royale with you. Do the honourable thing. Fall on your sword. Go.

IanB2

Foxy said:

Casino_Royale said:

Mexicanpete said:

O/T FPT

Luckyguy1983 said:

Barnesian said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

IanB2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Just to add another figure onto the scene:

"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

.

So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?

One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.

I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.

It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.

The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
EDIT And Fujitsu

I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)

That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.

Yes indeed.

We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.

Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.

Anabobazina

Casino_Royale said:

Anabobazina said:

Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

Go to bed.

Why are you still here? The game is up.

gettingbetter

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

DavidL said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.

No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.

Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.

kle4

As crazy as some of the rules, procedures, and events can be, I do kind of admire the sheer glut of democratic contests the US has, and all the caucuses, primaries (sometimes both), and myriad of elected officials for roles that really do not require it at all.

When it's not a year with the world's most hateful man trying to stay out of prison running with the support of 50% of the country that is.

SeaShantyIrish2

Anabobazina said:

Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

BlancheLivermore said:

Anabobazina said:

Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

He wants his payoff in cash

Lots of cash obsessives on here. Why keep bringing it up?

Cash on the Barrel Head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymjc3fO5xAg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDlBwf-CJPw

Foxy

IanB2 said:

Foxy said:

Casino_Royale said:

Mexicanpete said:

O/T FPT

Luckyguy1983 said:

Barnesian said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

IanB2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Just to add another figure onto the scene:

"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

.

So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?

One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.

I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.

It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.

The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
EDIT And Fujitsu

I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)

That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.

Yes indeed.

We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.

Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.

No, I think this is the real thing.

Anabobazina

Daveyboy1961 said:

londonpubman said:

I'm still calling Haley President 2024 (OK technically Jan 2025)

I agree if Haley sees off Trump first.

I suspect Biden only wants to do the same.

Will Haley or Biden see off @Casino_Royale?

Anyone??

Big_G_NorthWales

Anabobazina said:

Mexicanpete said:

Anabobazina said:

@Mexicanpete should go. And go now. Boring.

You and I could battle it out for the Dreariest Poster of the Year award.

Go. And go now. And take @Casino_Royale with you. Do the honourable thing. Fall on your sword. Go.

I assume you are saying this in jest as calling for a fellow poster you do not agree with to leave the site is not appropriate

BlancheLivermore

Anabobazina said:

Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

BlancheLivermore said:

Anabobazina said:

Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

He wants his payoff in cash

Lots of cash obsessives on here. Why keep bringing it up?

If I could bring up cash, I'd be bulimic

Cyclefree

What is the matter with you all?

IanB2

Foxy said:

IanB2 said:

Foxy said:

Casino_Royale said:

Mexicanpete said:

O/T FPT

Luckyguy1983 said:

Barnesian said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

IanB2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Just to add another figure onto the scene:

"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

.

So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?

One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.

I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.

It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.

The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
EDIT And Fujitsu

I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)

That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.

Yes indeed.

We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.

Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.

No, I think this is the real thing.

The inquiry won’t report until mid 2025 at the earliest, so I hope people have sufficient patience.

TimS

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692

Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".

SeaShantyIrish2

gettingbetter said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

DavidL said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.

No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.

Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.

According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)

CatMan

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

DavidL said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.

No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.

Still a tasty 228.15 Kelvin. No worries!

IanB2

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

gettingbetter said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

DavidL said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.

No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.

Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.

According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)

Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.

Foxy

IanB2 said:

Foxy said:

IanB2 said:

Foxy said:

Casino_Royale said:

Mexicanpete said:

O/T FPT

Luckyguy1983 said:

Barnesian said:

Daveyboy1961 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Benpointer said:

Casino_Royale said:

IanB2 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Just to add another figure onto the scene:

"Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

.

So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?

One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.

I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.

It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.

The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
EDIT And Fujitsu

I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)

That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.

Yes indeed.

We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.

Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.

No, I think this is the real thing.

The inquiry won’t report until mid 2025 at the earliest, so I hope people have sufficient patience.

It won't dominate the news every week, but it will grab attention periodically all year.

Nigelb

Cyclefree said:

What is the matter with you all?

It's been a long day in the trenches.

DougSeal

Has cash been abolished yet?

Nigelb

Latest analysis on the Hunter Biden enquiry.
https://twitter.com/katz_mum/status/1745918289191018669/photo/1

Luckyguy1983

IanB2 said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

gettingbetter said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

DavidL said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.

No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.

Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.

According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)

Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.

When will Des Moines resign?

CatMan

https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/weather/2024/01/11/winter-storm-iowa-blizzard-live-updates-be-prepared-parking-511-national-weather-service-forecast/72189570007/

"While heavy snowfall is moving out of central Iowa, winds will ensure difficult travel conditions stick around.

As of 3 p.m. Friday, at least seven stretches of highways in western Iowa and one in north central Iowa were listed as "impassable" by the Iowa Department of Transportation and most roads east of Interstate 35 were labeled as "travel not advised."

The National Weather Service warned that more roads were likely to become impassable as blizzard conditions continued in the state.

Snow started falling in Des Moines just before midnight on Thursday night. Here are the latest updates as blizzard conditions continue:

3:45 p.m: Wind chills not expected to reach positive numbers again until Wednesday
Bundle up and stay indoors! The wind chill at 3:45 p.m. Friday had dipped to minus 4 and it's only going to get lower.

Wind chills are expected to dip into the negative 20s on Friday night and could reach as low as minus 45 degrees over the weekend."

All temperatures in Red Blooded American Fahrenheit, not that woke Celsius crap

Andy_JS

Keep calmer and vote Starmer.

Scott_xP

I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

-2F

Daveyboy1961

Andy_JS said:

Keep calmer and vote Starmer.

If you like gravy, vote Davey...

SeaShantyIrish2

Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.

Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.

You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!

TimS

-7.7C at my vineyard on Wednesday night. No US caucus there though.

kle4

Cyclefree said:

What is the matter with you all?

If I knew that things would go much easier for me.

SeaShantyIrish2

Scott_xP said:

I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

-2F

Why? When? Where?

TimS

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.

Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.

You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!

It’s really noticeable how population density drops off so suddenly along a line half way across the US.



In fact 2 lines, the starkest one being at the edge of the Great Plains but a less marked but still clear one halfway across the Midwest.

Anabobazina

….

IanB2

Scott_xP said:

I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

-2F

Me too. But not while I was there.

Scott_xP

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.

I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.

I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.

SeaShantyIrish2

Luckyguy1983 said:

IanB2 said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

gettingbetter said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

DavidL said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.

No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.

Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.

According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)

Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.

When will Des Moines resign?

Isn't Des Moines a snooker commentator from West Bromwich East?

rottenborough

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692

Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".

I remain incandescent at this short sighted stupidity.

Incredible, but Sunak is turning out to be a worse PM than Johnson.

Scott_xP

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Scott_xP said:

I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

-2F

Why? When? Where?

Waterloo. Work. 20 some years ago

IanB2

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.

Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.

You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!

On one of their long, straight main roads, I drove right through an intersection on red before I realised. Lucky escape.

IanB2

Scott_xP said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.

I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.

I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.

It’s easy to understand why Bryson liked to travel.

HYUFD

I would have thought Haley or DeSantis supporters may be more likely to attend the caucuses and debate their candidates and then support them than Trump supporters. Trump supporters would turn out for him in a general election and in better weather probably in a primary too but are much less likely to want to travel through heavy snow and freezing temperatures to spend hours in a hall pushing him to others

rottenborough

Sunak looks overwhelmed by the job to me.

Only the very greatest are not found out by the very top job.

SeaShantyIrish2

Scott_xP said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Scott_xP said:

I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

-2F

Why? When? Where?

Waterloo. Work. 20 some years ago

Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.

Luckyguy1983

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

IanB2 said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

gettingbetter said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

DavidL said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.

No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.

Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.

According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)

Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.

When will Des Moines resign?

Isn't Des Moines a snooker commentator from West Bromwich East?

Not for long if I have my way.

Anabobazina

….

TimS

rottenborough said:

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692

Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".

I remain incandescent at this short sighted stupidity.

Incredible, but Sunak is turning out to be a worse PM than Johnson.

But Starmer seems all too keen to double down on it, Brexit style.

The need for more capacity on the West coast line hasn’t gone away but he seems unduly keen to write it off.

Where’s the Kennedy speech? “We choose to go to Manchester. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard”,

Scott_xP

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Scott_xP said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Scott_xP said:

I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

-2F

Why? When? Where?

Waterloo. Work. 20 some years ago

Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.

Did you visit the Grout Museum?

Luckyguy1983

Scott_xP said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.

I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.

I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.

You really shouldn't drive tired.

HYUFD

Insider Advantage Iowa GOP caucuses poll taken post Christie's withdrawal has Trump on 51% DeSantis 17% Haley 17% and Ramaswamy 7%
https://insideradvantage.com/insideradvantage-iowa-gop-poll-post-christie-withdrawal-survey-shows-trumps-lead-holds-desantis-and-haley-tied/

Scott_xP

rottenborough said:

Sunak looks overwhelmed by the job to me.

Only the very greatest are not found out by the very top job.

...

Foxy

IanB2 said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.

Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.

You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!

On one of their long, straight main roads, I drove right through an intersection on red before I realised. Lucky escape.

I did that once in Australia. Driving straight for so long you just cease to notice even stuff like other highways.

TimS

IanB2 said:

Scott_xP said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.

I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.

I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.

It’s easy to understand why Bryson liked to travel.

It’s also easy to understand, flying over Chicago and Westward over the plains, why SimCity looks like it does. The whole centre of the US looks like a computer sim game.

ManchesterKurt

TimS said:

rottenborough said:

TimS said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692

Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".

I remain incandescent at this short sighted stupidity.

Incredible, but Sunak is turning out to be a worse PM than Johnson.

But Starmer seems all too keen to double down on it, Brexit style.

The need for more capacity on the West coast line hasn’t gone away but he seems unduly keen to write it off.

Where’s the Kennedy speech? “We choose to go to Manchester. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard”,

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsmanchester/andy-burnham-is-working-with-private-companies-on-an-alternative-hs2-plan/ar-AA1mMK7e?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5912f168df814248a77ec89f5737d60b&ei=6

SeaShantyIrish2

Scott_xP said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Scott_xP said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Scott_xP said:

I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

-2F

Why? When? Where?

Waterloo. Work. 20 some years ago

Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.

Did you visit the Grout Museum?

Somehow missed that. Drat!

Did see Jesse Jackson address a large rally at a Black church in Waterloo, location of one of the larger concentrations of African Americans in Iowa. Which ain't saying much, but it they're there.

Cannot recall at this late date (like a PO Horizon Inquiry witness) whether JJ was pro- or anti-grout.

Nigelb

Of course the more important election is tomorrow in Taiwan.

Andy_JS

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.

Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.

You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!

We're quite well-versed in all things Iowan here in the UK thanks to Bill Bryson.

SeaShantyIrish2

Speaking of Waterloo, Iowa (doesn't everyone) recall the day (or rather evening) when I drove into town from Des Moines, a drive of several hours on semi-icy roads past very snowy fields.

Temperature had been dropping all day, and by the time I made Waterloo (pronounced "water-LOO" by locals) it was well below freezing. So cold in fact, that my car's humble radiator began freezing up; I was damn lucky to make it.

Especially as it was in the dim, distant days before cell phones; and in a land where you could (and still can) drive for miles before seeing a house, or an outhouse for that matter.

Casino_Royale

Andy_JS said:

Keep calmer and vote Starmer.

Don't encourage him.

Casino_Royale

I've just finished the final episode.

Something in both eyes.

Andy_JS

Scott_xP said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Scott_xP said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Scott_xP said:

I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

-2F

Why? When? Where?

Waterloo. Work. 20 some years ago

Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.

Did you visit the Grout Museum?

There's a museum dedicated to 1950s/60s Australian wicket keeper Wally Grout? I must visit it sometime.

Pagan2

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Speaking of Waterloo, Iowa (doesn't everyone) recall the day (or rather evening) when I drove into town from Des Moines, a drive of several hours on semi-icy roads past very snowy fields.

Temperature had been dropping all day, and by the time I made Waterloo (pronounced "water-LOO" by locals) it was well below freezing. So cold in fact, that my car's humble radiator began freezing up; I was damn lucky to make it.

Especially as it was in the dim, distant days before cell phones; and in a land where you could (and still can) drive for miles before seeing a house, or an outhouse for that matter.

If you let in more mexicans it wouldnt be so empty

Sunil_Prasannan

"My guess is that unless things improve rapidly the turnout level will be SHIT".

SeaShantyIrish2

Grout Museum District, Waterloo, Iowa

The Grout Museum District – named after Henry W. Grout – is a set of museums in Waterloo, Iowa. The District consists of the Grout Museum of History & Science, Bluedorn Science Imaginarium, Rensselaer Russell House Museum, Snowden House and the Sullivan Brothers Iowa Veterans Museum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grout_Museum

https://www.groutmuseumdistrict.org/?gclid=CjwKCAiA44OtBhAOEiwAj4gpOfaB6HtS8wdbWXmcj1L1KrLkJPVHwG1fQ8W7LcSuGhVJe3RNCTG3DRoC4SYQAvD_BwE

Am obliged to Scott for turning me on this the existence of something I didn't know existed.

However, I did know about the Sullivan Brothers, but had forgotten they came from Waterloo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers

londonpubman

Sunil_Prasannan said:

"My guess is that unless things improve rapidly the turnout level will be SHIT".

If Keir doesn't win the GE having been about 800% ahead for the last two years then your MP will be LAB leader.

Big_G_NorthWales

In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/12/flagship-labour-plan-scrap-non-dom-tax-breaks?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Sunil_Prasannan

TimS said:

-7.7C at my vineyard on Wednesday night. No US caucus there though.

Ha! Where's yer global warming now!

londonpubman

Big_G_NorthWales said:

In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals

Maybe LAB and CON will have a combined manifesto??

Andy_JS

It's a total coincidence that South Africa is making a splash at the International Court in The Hague, a few months before an election at which the ANC may lose its majority for the first time in 30 years, since democratic elections were introduced there.

Foxy

londonpubman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals

Maybe LAB and CON will have a combined manifesto??

I think they already have.

Carnyx

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Grout Museum District, Waterloo, Iowa

The Grout Museum District – named after Henry W. Grout – is a set of museums in Waterloo, Iowa. The District consists of the Grout Museum of History & Science, Bluedorn Science Imaginarium, Rensselaer Russell House Museum, Snowden House and the Sullivan Brothers Iowa Veterans Museum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grout_Museum

https://www.groutmuseumdistrict.org/?gclid=CjwKCAiA44OtBhAOEiwAj4gpOfaB6HtS8wdbWXmcj1L1KrLkJPVHwG1fQ8W7LcSuGhVJe3RNCTG3DRoC4SYQAvD_BwE

Am obliged to Scott for turning me on this the existence of something I didn't know existed.

However, I did know about the Sullivan Brothers, but had forgotten they came from Waterloo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers

Oh, the Sullivans after whom a Fletcher-class destroyer was named? Now those I have heard of.

Big_G_NorthWales

londonpubman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals

Maybe LAB and CON will have a combined manifesto??

Looks increasingly likely

Casino_Royale

Daveyboy1961 said:

Andy_JS said:

Keep calmer and vote Starmer.

If you like gravy, vote Davey...

If you like Lurpak, vote Sunak.

FF43

Leon said:

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

The observation is exact. I’m coming round to the neologism

You have skipped an important point: their religious faith. The old Upper Ten Thousand had to be observant Church of England, at least ostensibly, with perhaps a few token Jews and Catholics

The NU10K have to be Woke; that is their belief system, which similarly binds them together

They also keep banging on about vegan food - I'm not joking.

I'm on a major committee for an organisation and they keep going on about it to demonstrate their commitment to climate change. So it's about only laying this on at their events and meetings. Because it's "progressive".

I struggle to challenge this in a calm way - it's very unpopular, and their members have said so - and, of course, you can end up looking like the difficult one / bogeyman even though you know many secretly agree.

The syphilis of Woke is entering its tertiary stage where it starts killing businesses, or people

TwiX is right now engulfed in debate at to how much Wokeness has contributed to the fall of Boeing. Turns out Boeing is extremely Woke and might have neglected - might - important safety aspects in pursuit of DEI (diversity, equity, inclusion)

Hard to say if the allegation is entirely accurate. There is certainly some evidence

Boeing's Open Door policy is at fault.

Sunil_Prasannan

Casino_Royale said:

Andy_JS said:

Keep calmer and vote Starmer.

Don't encourage him.