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Record low temperatures forecast for Iowa’s polling day – politicalbetting.com

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edited January 22 in General
imageRecord low temperatures forecast for Iowa’s polling day – politicalbetting.com

On Monday it is the first event of WH2024 starting as usual with the Iowa caucuses.

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,182
    First.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,161
    I'm still calling Haley President 2024 (OK technically Jan 2025)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,976
    It's only -2 here.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,976
    If Iowa is going to continue to benefit to the tune of many, many millions of dollars for this nonsense every 4 years they are really going to have to come up with a better product.

    More often than not this proves to be a total shambles. The Democrats are already walking away. The GOP may do likewise.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449
    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,910
    edited January 12
    O/T FPT

    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just to add another figure onto the scene:

    "Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

    Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

    It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

    .
    So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?
    One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

    Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

    The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

    The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

    Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
    I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

    But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
    It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.
    The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
    EDIT And Fujitsu
    I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)
    That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,461
    DavidL said:

    It's only -2 here.

    Don't you mean 28 degrees?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,976

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449
    Caucuses, in Iowa or elsewhere, are a logistical challenge = major pain in the ass.

    That is, IF the turnout is at all sizable. Speaking as one who has been there and done that, including presiding over my own precinct's caucus several times in Seattle.

    Could NOT have done any policking even if I'd wanted to, was totally occupied getting things rolling, answering questions, conducting voting, counting votes, doing math, electing actual delegates to next level (legislative district), filling out paperwork, keeping kids happy with coloring books while they waited for mom/dad, etc., etc.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,164

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    And it will be dark, so they cant even admire Iowa’s stunning scenery on the way.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 2,747
    DavidL said:

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.
    -43C (well -42.7778)
  • O/T FPT

    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just to add another figure onto the scene:

    "Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

    Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

    It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

    .
    So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?
    One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

    Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

    The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

    The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

    Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
    I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

    But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
    It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.
    The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
    EDIT And Fujitsu
    I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)
    That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

    I don't think that the Police were trying to prove that that Sutcliffe's work was infallible

    That's exactly what the PO Lice did with Fujitsu's botched job
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,371

    I'm still calling Haley President 2024 (OK technically Jan 2025)

    I agree if Haley sees off Trump first.

    I suspect Biden only wants to do the same.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,976
    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    It's only -2 here.

    Don't you mean 28 degrees?
    I would if I was American in fairness. But no.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449
    DavidL said:

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.
    No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

    Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

    SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,168

    O/T FPT

    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just to add another figure onto the scene:

    "Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

    Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

    It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

    .
    So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?
    One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

    Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

    The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

    The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

    Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
    I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

    But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
    It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.
    The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
    EDIT And Fujitsu
    I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)
    That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

    Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

    It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,213

    O/T FPT

    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just to add another figure onto the scene:

    "Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

    Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

    It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

    .
    So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?
    One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

    Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

    The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

    The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

    Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
    I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

    But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
    It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.
    The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
    EDIT And Fujitsu
    I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)
    That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

    Oh, I agree, I'd take them to the cleaners; I just wonder if they're being used to avoid any deeper scrutiny of and changes to our public services. And they'll still come out significantly ahead due to future Government work.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,976

    O/T FPT

    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just to add another figure onto the scene:

    "Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

    Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

    It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

    .
    So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?
    One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

    Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

    The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

    The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

    Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
    I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

    But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
    It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.
    The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
    EDIT And Fujitsu
    I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)
    That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

    Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

    It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
    Didn't you read the last thread about the NU10K?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,773
    Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449
    DavidL said:

    If Iowa is going to continue to benefit to the tune of many, many millions of dollars for this nonsense every 4 years they are really going to have to come up with a better product.

    More often than not this proves to be a total shambles. The Democrats are already walking away. The GOP may do likewise.

    Democrats HAVE walked away, the Iowa Democratic caucuses being nothing like in past, replaced by a more-or-less ordinary statewide vote, with the 2024 caucus meetings for chosing people who will cast convention votes based on the statewide . . . .though COULD be some funny business down the line.

    Actually just two shambles since 1972, but likely at least one too many.

    GOP have actually INCREASED number of caucuses for 2024, as overt strategy to aid Trump.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,773
    Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

    Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

    He wants his payoff in cash
    Lots of cash obsessives on here. Why keep bringing it up?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388

    O/T FPT

    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just to add another figure onto the scene:

    "Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

    Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

    It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

    .
    So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?
    One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

    Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

    The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

    The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

    Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
    I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

    But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
    It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.
    The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
    EDIT And Fujitsu
    I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)
    That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

    Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

    It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
    Yes indeed.

    We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,910

    @Mexicanpete should go. And go now. Boring.

    You and I could battle it out for the Dreariest Poster of the Year award.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,773
    ….
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,168

    Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

    Go to bed.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,141
    edited January 12
    Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,510
    The fiery rage of Trump supporters will warm their hearts and bodies sufficiently for him to win by 30-50 points.
    DavidL said:

    If Iowa is going to continue to benefit to the tune of many, many millions of dollars for this nonsense every 4 years they are really going to have to come up with a better product.

    More often than not this proves to be a total shambles. The Democrats are already walking away. The GOP may do likewise.

    This is true - I'm surprised Trump hasn't said the same thing, since he did not win Iowa in 2016, but he's gone the other route and just pretends that he did, not even that it was rigged (he said that too, beforehand), just pretends he won outright.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,773

    @Mexicanpete should go. And go now. Boring.

    You and I could battle it out for the Dreariest Poster of the Year award.
    Go. And go now. And take @Casino_Royale with you. Do the honourable thing. Fall on your sword. Go.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,164
    Foxy said:

    O/T FPT

    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just to add another figure onto the scene:

    "Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

    Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

    It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

    .
    So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?
    One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

    Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

    The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

    The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

    Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
    I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

    But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
    It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.
    The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
    EDIT And Fujitsu
    I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)
    That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

    Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

    It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
    Yes indeed.

    We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.
    Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,773
    edited January 12

    Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

    Go to bed.
    Why are you still here? The game is up.
  • DavidL said:

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.
    No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

    Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

    SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.
    Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,510
    As crazy as some of the rules, procedures, and events can be, I do kind of admire the sheer glut of democratic contests the US has, and all the caucuses, primaries (sometimes both), and myriad of elected officials for roles that really do not require it at all.

    When it's not a year with the world's most hateful man trying to stay out of prison running with the support of 50% of the country that is.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449

    Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

    Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

    He wants his payoff in cash
    Lots of cash obsessives on here. Why keep bringing it up?
    Cash on the Barrel Head

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymjc3fO5xAg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDlBwf-CJPw
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    O/T FPT

    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just to add another figure onto the scene:

    "Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

    Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

    It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

    .
    So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?
    One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

    Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

    The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

    The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

    Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
    I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

    But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
    It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.
    The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
    EDIT And Fujitsu
    I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)
    That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

    Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

    It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
    Yes indeed.

    We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.
    Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.
    No, I think this is the real thing.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,773

    I'm still calling Haley President 2024 (OK technically Jan 2025)

    I agree if Haley sees off Trump first.

    I suspect Biden only wants to do the same.
    Will Haley or Biden see off @Casino_Royale?

    Anyone??
  • @Mexicanpete should go. And go now. Boring.

    You and I could battle it out for the Dreariest Poster of the Year award.
    Go. And go now. And take @Casino_Royale with you. Do the honourable thing. Fall on your sword. Go.
    I assume you are saying this in jest as calling for a fellow poster you do not agree with to leave the site is not appropriate
  • Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

    Has @Casino_Royale resigned yet?

    He wants his payoff in cash
    Lots of cash obsessives on here. Why keep bringing it up?
    If I could bring up cash, I'd be bulimic
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,164
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    O/T FPT

    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just to add another figure onto the scene:

    "Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

    Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

    It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

    .
    So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?
    One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

    Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

    The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

    The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

    Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
    I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

    But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
    It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.
    The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
    EDIT And Fujitsu
    I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)
    That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

    Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

    It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
    Yes indeed.

    We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.
    Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.
    No, I think this is the real thing.
    The inquiry won’t report until mid 2025 at the earliest, so I hope people have sufficient patience.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449

    DavidL said:

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.
    No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

    Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

    SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.
    Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.
    According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 2,747

    DavidL said:

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.
    No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

    Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

    SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.
    Still a tasty 228.15 Kelvin. No worries!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,164

    DavidL said:

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.
    No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

    Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

    SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.
    Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.
    According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)
    Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    O/T FPT

    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just to add another figure onto the scene:

    "Tony Blair was warned Horizon IT system could be flawed, documents show"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67941495

    Hindsight is wonderful, but if only they had scrapped Horizon back then.

    It almost happened. This is the PO internal report from the time:

    .
    So, when this was proven in action and all the prosecutions started, why didn't New Labour get suspicious and start to ask questions?
    One has to admire your unwavering valiant attempts to shift the blame for the PO Scandal onto 'anyone but the Tories'.

    Unfortunately, your comprehension skills seem to have deserted you over this one. To put it simply that document has no direct bearing on the PO Scandal.

    The concerns expressed in that document snippet are about ICL's ability to deliver the system. That it would have errors once delivered was, frankly, only to be expected.

    The PO Scandal arose not because a system was delivered with errors but because a mendacious, vindictive, defensive management viciously pursued the 'we cannot be wrong' line to the point where many innocent people's lives were ruined.

    Now, you may say that the 1997-2010 Labour government should have spotted that (and the same could be said for the administrations since) but that document does nothing to suggest The government of the time had evidence there was a fundamental problem with PO's management.
    I'm interested in everyone involved taking accountability and responsibility.

    But there are far too many on here who want it to only be about the Tories.
    It's funny though how the name on the media's (and your) lips is only Davey though.
    The focus on Davey is a big distraction from the bastards in the PO - the management, PR, legal, enforcement, IT. They are who we should be focusing on. How can we make sure they get screwed.
    EDIT And Fujitsu
    I think Fujitsu are being lined up to bear the brunt of it, (snip)
    That's like saying Peter Sutcliffe was being lined up to bear the consequences of being the Yorkshire Ripper.

    Many many heads are going to roll for this, all over the place.

    It's one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of this century.
    Yes indeed.

    We are going to see many getting their downfall. The mob has turned.
    Maybe. Or, with the inquiry about to go into recess and the next big news story about to break, the person in the street will lose interest.
    No, I think this is the real thing.
    The inquiry won’t report until mid 2025 at the earliest, so I hope people have sufficient patience.
    It won't dominate the news every week, but it will grab attention periodically all year.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,040
    Cyclefree said:

    What is the matter with you all?

    It's been a long day in the trenches.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,075
    Has cash been abolished yet?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,040
    Latest analysis on the Hunter Biden enquiry.
    https://twitter.com/katz_mum/status/1745918289191018669/photo/1
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,213
    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.
    No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

    Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

    SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.
    Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.
    According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)
    Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.
    When will Des Moines resign?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 2,747
    https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/weather/2024/01/11/winter-storm-iowa-blizzard-live-updates-be-prepared-parking-511-national-weather-service-forecast/72189570007/

    "While heavy snowfall is moving out of central Iowa, winds will ensure difficult travel conditions stick around.

    As of 3 p.m. Friday, at least seven stretches of highways in western Iowa and one in north central Iowa were listed as "impassable" by the Iowa Department of Transportation and most roads east of Interstate 35 were labeled as "travel not advised."

    The National Weather Service warned that more roads were likely to become impassable as blizzard conditions continued in the state.

    Snow started falling in Des Moines just before midnight on Thursday night. Here are the latest updates as blizzard conditions continue:

    3:45 p.m: Wind chills not expected to reach positive numbers again until Wednesday
    Bundle up and stay indoors! The wind chill at 3:45 p.m. Friday had dipped to minus 4 and it's only going to get lower.

    Wind chills are expected to dip into the negative 20s on Friday night and could reach as low as minus 45 degrees over the weekend
    ."

    All temperatures in Red Blooded American Fahrenheit, not that woke Celsius crap
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,334
    Keep calmer and vote Starmer.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,793
    I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

    -2F
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,371
    Andy_JS said:

    Keep calmer and vote Starmer.

    If you like gravy, vote Davey...

    :wink:
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449
    Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

    First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

    Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.

    Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.

    You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    -7.7C at my vineyard on Wednesday night. No US caucus there though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,510
    Cyclefree said:

    What is the matter with you all?

    If I knew that things would go much easier for me.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449
    Scott_xP said:

    I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

    -2F

    Why? When? Where?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    edited January 12

    Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

    First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

    Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.

    Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.

    You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!

    It’s really noticeable how population density drops off so suddenly along a line half way across the US.



    In fact 2 lines, the starkest one being at the edge of the Great Plains but a less marked but still clear one halfway across the Midwest.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,773
    ….
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,164
    Scott_xP said:

    I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

    -2F

    Me too. But not while I was there.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,793

    Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

    First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

    We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.

    I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.

    I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449

    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.
    No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

    Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

    SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.
    Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.
    According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)
    Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.
    When will Des Moines resign?
    Isn't Des Moines a snooker commentator from West Bromwich East?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,094
    TimS said:

    Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692

    Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".
    I remain incandescent at this short sighted stupidity.

    Incredible, but Sunak is turning out to be a worse PM than Johnson.



  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,793

    Scott_xP said:

    I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

    -2F

    Why? When? Where?
    Waterloo. Work. 20 some years ago
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,164

    Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

    First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

    Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.

    Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.

    You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!

    On one of their long, straight main roads, I drove right through an intersection on red before I realised. Lucky escape.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,164
    Scott_xP said:

    Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

    First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

    We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.

    I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.

    I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.
    It’s easy to understand why Bryson liked to travel.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,908
    edited January 12
    I would have thought Haley or DeSantis supporters may be more likely to attend the caucuses and debate their candidates and then support them than Trump supporters. Trump supporters would turn out for him in a general election and in better weather probably in a primary too but are much less likely to want to travel through heavy snow and freezing temperatures to spend hours in a hall pushing him to others
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,094
    Sunak looks overwhelmed by the job to me.

    Only the very greatest are not found out by the very top job.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

    -2F

    Why? When? Where?
    Waterloo. Work. 20 some years ago
    Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,213

    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    As practical matter, probably not many Republics gonna be waiting in line OUTSIDE on Monday night; Iowans are better organized than that; they generally find the counting more problematic than the weather.

    And folks may well start turning up, an being checked in, before 7pm. With actual voting not until then.

    Essentially the caucuses are meetings. A few people will get up and make speeches, others will comment, most will be there just to fill out a ballot and drop it in the box.

    IF turnout at a locality is heavy, could take a while to get past the ID checkers. But again these lines and waiting should be indoors.

    Typically caucus meetings are held at schools and churches, normal election polling places. Or in peoples homes.

    Also pretty common in some places to hold caucuses for several precincts at same location, say a high school with plenty of classrooms for meetings, or in an auditorium or school gym.

    Reckon the REAL turnout issue, will be folks not wanting to drive too far from home that night. May be somewhat more of a factor in rural precincts, where the trip to & from caucus may be longer.

    AP are saying it is going to be -45. I presume that is Fahrenheit but it doesn't make much difference at that sort of number. That is seriously cold. Not a night for being out driving. This is madness.
    No that's Celsius. But cold enough to freeze balls off a brass monkey.

    Iowans are made of pretty stern stuff. But that stuff will be tested.

    SO who has most dedicated supporters? Trump? Maybe. OR maybe not.
    Doesn't sound right. It's not going to be -45 anywhere they have a caucus. Maybe we they refer to so called windchill temperatures which are rather like opinion polls with swingback.
    According to Weather Channel high temp in Des Moines forecast for Monday -3 F (-19 C) with estimated wind chill equivalent -14 F (-26 C)
    Somewhere has to take more than its share of the cold, and it may as well be Des Moines.
    When will Des Moines resign?
    Isn't Des Moines a snooker commentator from West Bromwich East?
    Not for long if I have my way.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,773
    ….
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    edited January 12

    TimS said:

    Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692

    Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".
    I remain incandescent at this short sighted stupidity.

    Incredible, but Sunak is turning out to be a worse PM than Johnson.

    But Starmer seems all too keen to double down on it, Brexit style.

    The need for more capacity on the West coast line hasn’t gone away but he seems unduly keen to write it off.

    Where’s the Kennedy speech? “We choose to go to Manchester. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard”,
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,793

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

    -2F

    Why? When? Where?
    Waterloo. Work. 20 some years ago
    Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.
    Did you visit the Grout Museum?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,213
    Scott_xP said:

    Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

    First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

    We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.

    I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.

    I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.
    You really shouldn't drive tired.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,908
    edited January 12
    Insider Advantage Iowa GOP caucuses poll taken post Christie's withdrawal has Trump on 51% DeSantis 17% Haley 17% and Ramaswamy 7%
    https://insideradvantage.com/insideradvantage-iowa-gop-poll-post-christie-withdrawal-survey-shows-trumps-lead-holds-desantis-and-haley-tied/
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,793

    Sunak looks overwhelmed by the job to me.

    Only the very greatest are not found out by the very top job.

    ...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388
    IanB2 said:

    Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

    First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

    Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.

    Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.

    You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!

    On one of their long, straight main roads, I drove right through an intersection on red before I realised. Lucky escape.
    I did that once in Australia. Driving straight for so long you just cease to notice even stuff like other highways.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

    First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

    We flew into somewhere in Iowa and drove to somewhere else.

    I fell asleep in the car, passing an endless corn field.

    I woke up an hour later passing an endless corn field.
    It’s easy to understand why Bryson liked to travel.
    It’s also easy to understand, flying over Chicago and Westward over the plains, why SimCity looks like it does. The whole centre of the US looks like a computer sim game.
  • TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Keir Starmer categorically rules out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-says-28431692

    Very sad. It seems we have national consensus that our country's aspiration should be capped at "rustic backwater".
    I remain incandescent at this short sighted stupidity.

    Incredible, but Sunak is turning out to be a worse PM than Johnson.

    But Starmer seems all too keen to double down on it, Brexit style.

    The need for more capacity on the West coast line hasn’t gone away but he seems unduly keen to write it off.

    Where’s the Kennedy speech? “We choose to go to Manchester. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard”,
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsmanchester/andy-burnham-is-working-with-private-companies-on-an-alternative-hs2-plan/ar-AA1mMK7e?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5912f168df814248a77ec89f5737d60b&ei=6
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

    -2F

    Why? When? Where?
    Waterloo. Work. 20 some years ago
    Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.
    Did you visit the Grout Museum?
    Somehow missed that. Drat!

    Did see Jesse Jackson address a large rally at a Black church in Waterloo, location of one of the larger concentrations of African Americans in Iowa. Which ain't saying much, but it they're there.

    Cannot recall at this late date (like a PO Horizon Inquiry witness) whether JJ was pro- or anti-grout.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,040
    Of course the more important election is tomorrow in Taiwan.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,334
    edited January 12

    Re: Iowa, keep in mind that it is a sparsely-populated state, certainly by Eastern USA or UK standards.

    First time I was there, that's what struck me, coming from east of the Mississippi. Driving on main roads the towns AND hamlets were further apart, houses and farms in between these ditto, with fewer stores, gas stations, whatever.

    Higher densities in Des Moines, Dubuque, Iowa City, etc., etc. but hardly crowded even in these sorta-urban centers.

    Also note that Iowans are used to dealing with very cold weather every year. But also used to saying, heck with it, IF conditions are what THEY consider unsafe or downright dangerous.

    You can bet your bottom dollar (or lowest pound) that phones are ringing like mad, txts pinging, etc. as campaign hacks, volunteers, work release inmates are calling their lists, and more than once, trying to convince the doubtful wealther-wise!

    We're quite well-versed in all things Iowan here in the UK thanks to Bill Bryson.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449
    Speaking of Waterloo, Iowa (doesn't everyone) recall the day (or rather evening) when I drove into town from Des Moines, a drive of several hours on semi-icy roads past very snowy fields.

    Temperature had been dropping all day, and by the time I made Waterloo (pronounced "water-LOO" by locals) it was well below freezing. So cold in fact, that my car's humble radiator began freezing up; I was damn lucky to make it.

    Especially as it was in the dim, distant days before cell phones; and in a land where you could (and still can) drive for miles before seeing a house, or an outhouse for that matter.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,168
    Andy_JS said:

    Keep calmer and vote Starmer.

    Don't encourage him.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,168
    I've just finished the final episode.

    Something in both eyes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,334
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think Iowa is the coldest place I have ever been

    -2F

    Why? When? Where?
    Waterloo. Work. 20 some years ago
    Was in Waterloo, Iowa for one less-than-balmy January bit before that, as lowly field worker; was camped out in the basement of a Ceder Falls real estate agent who was supporting my candidate.
    Did you visit the Grout Museum?
    There's a museum dedicated to 1950s/60s Australian wicket keeper Wally Grout? I must visit it sometime.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,793

    Speaking of Waterloo, Iowa (doesn't everyone) recall the day (or rather evening) when I drove into town from Des Moines, a drive of several hours on semi-icy roads past very snowy fields.

    Temperature had been dropping all day, and by the time I made Waterloo (pronounced "water-LOO" by locals) it was well below freezing. So cold in fact, that my car's humble radiator began freezing up; I was damn lucky to make it.

    Especially as it was in the dim, distant days before cell phones; and in a land where you could (and still can) drive for miles before seeing a house, or an outhouse for that matter.

    If you let in more mexicans it wouldnt be so empty
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,114
    "My guess is that unless things improve rapidly the turnout level will be SHIT".

    :lol:
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,449
    Grout Museum District, Waterloo, Iowa

    The Grout Museum District – named after Henry W. Grout – is a set of museums in Waterloo, Iowa. The District consists of the Grout Museum of History & Science, Bluedorn Science Imaginarium, Rensselaer Russell House Museum, Snowden House and the Sullivan Brothers Iowa Veterans Museum.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grout_Museum

    https://www.groutmuseumdistrict.org/?gclid=CjwKCAiA44OtBhAOEiwAj4gpOfaB6HtS8wdbWXmcj1L1KrLkJPVHwG1fQ8W7LcSuGhVJe3RNCTG3DRoC4SYQAvD_BwE

    Am obliged to Scott for turning me on this the existence of something I didn't know existed.

    However, I did know about the Sullivan Brothers, but had forgotten they came from Waterloo:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,161

    "My guess is that unless things improve rapidly the turnout level will be SHIT".

    :lol:

    If Keir doesn't win the GE having been about 800% ahead for the last two years then your MP will be LAB leader.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,141
    edited January 12
    In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/12/flagship-labour-plan-scrap-non-dom-tax-breaks?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,114
    TimS said:

    -7.7C at my vineyard on Wednesday night. No US caucus there though.

    Ha! Where's yer global warming now! :lol:
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,161

    In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals

    Maybe LAB and CON will have a combined manifesto??
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,334
    edited January 12
    It's a total coincidence that South Africa is making a splash at the International Court in The Hague, a few months before an election at which the ANC may lose its majority for the first time in 30 years, since democratic elections were introduced there.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,388

    In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals

    Maybe LAB and CON will have a combined manifesto??
    I think they already have.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,461

    Grout Museum District, Waterloo, Iowa

    The Grout Museum District – named after Henry W. Grout – is a set of museums in Waterloo, Iowa. The District consists of the Grout Museum of History & Science, Bluedorn Science Imaginarium, Rensselaer Russell House Museum, Snowden House and the Sullivan Brothers Iowa Veterans Museum.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grout_Museum

    https://www.groutmuseumdistrict.org/?gclid=CjwKCAiA44OtBhAOEiwAj4gpOfaB6HtS8wdbWXmcj1L1KrLkJPVHwG1fQ8W7LcSuGhVJe3RNCTG3DRoC4SYQAvD_BwE

    Am obliged to Scott for turning me on this the existence of something I didn't know existed.

    However, I did know about the Sullivan Brothers, but had forgotten they came from Waterloo:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers

    Oh, the Sullivans after whom a Fletcher-class destroyer was named? Now those I have heard of.
  • In addition to ruling out the Birmingham to Manchester HS2 extension Starmer is considering watering down the non dom tax proposals

    Maybe LAB and CON will have a combined manifesto??
    Looks increasingly likely
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,168

    Andy_JS said:

    Keep calmer and vote Starmer.

    If you like gravy, vote Davey...

    :wink:
    If you like Lurpak, vote Sunak.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,114

    Andy_JS said:

    Keep calmer and vote Starmer.

    Don't encourage him.
    :innocent:

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