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SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Are England allowed to concede the semi-final rather than go through it? I mean we've all had a nice time, and final four isn't bad, but probably leave it to the pros from here.

geoffw said:

Ils chantent:

abreuve nos sillons !!!

eek said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LostPassword said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LostPassword said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pagan2 said:

Taz said:

Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html

hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."

and

"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."

So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?

It doesn't past the smell test.

Cashless is much cheaper usually.

Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.

(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)

"Online ticketing system" - presumably this is some sort of website they are paying for, as opposed to simply the transaction.

But even then the costs aren't that high.

It simply doesn't pass the smell test for me.

I think it's possible they've been done over and sold something they don't really need at an exorbitant cost. This happens in all sorts of areas, though is more prevalent with something like IT when a lot of the people buying it don't understand it.

Yup that seems plausible, the whole payment system is rapidly evolving, nowadays you don't need any hardware other than a smartphone.

https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2023/07/apple-introduces-tap-to-pay-on-iphone-in-the-uk/

is it still 30p for every debit card transaction - that adds up quick if say you are selling beers at £6 a time..

viewcode said:

Dura_Ace said:

viewcode said:

CJtheOptimist said:

This is a great response to a question I asked this evening while discussing this vexing situation - "what is it that Hamas were hoping to get from their actions?" eternal discord and grievance - horrifying but entirely plausible.

• i) Preserve their power base amongst the people of Gaza and prevent interlopers superseding them as the supreme Gazan power
  
• ii) Attempt to unify anti-Israeli forces outside Gaza under one banner (theirs)
  
• iii) Attempt to disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries, eg Saudi Arabia
  

In short:

• i) keep the power they have
  
• ii) gain allies
  
• iii) weaken the power of their enemy
  

So far, unfortunately, it seems to be working

Excellent strategy and execution from Hamas.

The only thing Gaza produces is people so that's the resource they exploit.

Burning up people to achieve their goal. Not good.

Taz said:

Upgrade it to Red ?

Leon said:

This is possibly the best 40 minutes of sport I have ever seen

NOOOOO don't ruin it with a red

Malmesbury said:

A

viewcode said:

Dura_Ace said:

viewcode said:

CJtheOptimist said:

This is a great response to a question I asked this evening while discussing this vexing situation - "what is it that Hamas were hoping to get from their actions?" eternal discord and grievance - horrifying but entirely plausible.

• i) Preserve their power base amongst the people of Gaza and prevent interlopers superseding them as the supreme Gazan power
  
• ii) Attempt to unify anti-Israeli forces outside Gaza under one banner (theirs)
  
• iii) Attempt to disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries, eg Saudi Arabia
  

In short:

• i) keep the power they have
  
• ii) gain allies
  
• iii) weaken the power of their enemy
  

So far, unfortunately, it seems to be working

Excellent strategy and execution from Hamas.

The only thing Gaza produces is people so that's the resource they exploit.

Burning up people to achieve their goal. Not good.

I think it was Napoleon who was supposed to have said some thing like “France produces an income of x hundred thousand new soldiers each year. I intend to live upon my income.”

Gallowgate said:

Majority for the libs in the Poland exit poll

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

This is possibly the best 40 minutes of sport I have ever seen

NOOOOO don't ruin it with a red

Incredible rugby. For once, you might not be exaggerating.

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

ydoethur said:

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Burgessian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.

An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.

It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.

Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489

So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.

If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.

Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.

Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely

Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.

Even dead she haunts the dreams of both Labour and the Tories.

Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.

Winston Churchill?

I wouldn't think of him as a divisive figure post mortem, although goodness knows he was divisive enough in his career.

Peter_the_Punter said:

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

This is possibly the best 40 minutes of sport I have ever seen

NOOOOO don't ruin it with a red

Incredible rugby. For once, you might not be exaggerating.

Best forty mins of rugby I've ever seen.

viewcode said:

@stodge, @Cicero, @DoubleCarpet

As ever, thank you for your election-related coverage. You are unsung heroes.

Leon said:

France will win this, red card or not, they are too good. But the Boks are brilliant

England will, ahem, struggle a tad against France

I can't see France losing to NZ at home, not in a final in fervent Paris

Ireland might have given them a game, but the ABs it is, yet the ABs are not a vintage AB side and they got a bit lucky against an Irish machine on the blink

Bur what a series of quarter finals!

Gallowgate said:

Majority for the libs in the Poland exit poll

Anabobazina said:

Anabobazina said:

I thought there was mitiga

Peter_the_Punter said:

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

This is possibly the best 40 minutes of sport I have ever seen

NOOOOO don't ruin it with a red

Incredible rugby. For once, you might not be exaggerating.

Best forty mins of rugby I've ever seen.

Absolutely. Just texted exactly that to my WhatsApp group of sports-minded mates.

biggles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

This is possibly the best 40 minutes of sport I have ever seen

NOOOOO don't ruin it with a red

Incredible rugby. For once, you might not be exaggerating.

Best forty mins of rugby I've ever seen.

Yup. Almost as entertaining as a low end premier league football match, which is good going for rugby.

I mean, I’m a football man first and foremost but that’s a daft comment. This is an utterly superb example of team sport of any code.

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Burgessian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.

An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.

It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.

Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489

So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.

If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.

Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.

Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely

Foxy said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

ydoethur said:

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Burgessian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.

An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.

It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.

Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489

So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.

If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.

Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.

Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely

Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.

Even dead she haunts the dreams of both Labour and the Tories.

Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.

Winston Churchill?

I wouldn't think of him as a divisive figure post mortem, although goodness knows he was divisive enough in his career.

Quite different opinions on him from various bits of the Empire, from India to Australia.

biggles said:

Anabobazina said:

Anabobazina said:

I thought there was mitiga

Peter_the_Punter said:

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

This is possibly the best 40 minutes of sport I have ever seen

NOOOOO don't ruin it with a red

Incredible rugby. For once, you might not be exaggerating.

Best forty mins of rugby I've ever seen.

Absolutely. Just texted exactly that to my WhatsApp group of sports-minded mates.

biggles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

This is possibly the best 40 minutes of sport I have ever seen

NOOOOO don't ruin it with a red

Incredible rugby. For once, you might not be exaggerating.

Best forty mins of rugby I've ever seen.

Yup. Almost as entertaining as a low end premier league football match, which is good going for rugby.

I mean, I’m a football man first and foremost but that’s a daft comment. This is an utterly superb example of team sport of any code.

Nah. The best rugby, when it’s near perfect, can be beautiful. Football is routinely beautiful every week, at lower levels.

But, horses for courses. Everyone is entitled to their own, incorrect, opinion. And this is an entertaining match.

Foxy said:

Interesting piece by Mark Pack on how the polls may have got it wrong for Labour.

https://theweekinpolls.substack.com/p/what-should-worry-labour-in-the-polls

ydoethur said:

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Burgessian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.

An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.

It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.

Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489

So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.

If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.

Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.

Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely

You keep adducing Henry VIII and Charles I as the models for modern politics. So, I don't think you have any argument at all.

With Charles I, his ideas were dodgy but his execution was unique.

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Burgessian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.

An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.

It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.

Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489

So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.

If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.

Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.

Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely

You keep adducing Henry VIII and Charles I as the models for modern politics. So, I don't think you have any argument at all.

Carnyx said:

ydoethur said:

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Burgessian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.

An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.

It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.

Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489

So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.

If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.

Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.

Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely

You keep adducing Henry VIII and Charles I as the models for modern politics. So, I don't think you have any argument at all.

With Charles I, his ideas were dodgy but his execution was unique.

Certainly more personal than Henry Tudor, that's for sure.

kle4 said:

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Burgessian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.

An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.

It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.

Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489

So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.

If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.

Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.

Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely

You keep adducing Henry VIII and Charles I as the models for modern politics. So, I don't think you have any argument at all.

With Charles I he wasn't even a model for early modern politics, which is why he came a cropper.

ydoethur said:

kle4 said:

Carnyx said:

ydoethur said:

Carnyx said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Burgessian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.

An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.

It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.

Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489

So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.

If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.

Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.

Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely

You keep adducing Henry VIII and Charles I as the models for modern politics. So, I don't think you have any argument at all.

With Charles I, his ideas were dodgy but his execution was unique.

Certainly more personal than Henry Tudor, that's for sure.

A better husband, though that's a low bar to clear.

When I teach the Russian revolution I have a PowerPoint considering the good and bad qualities of Nicholas II.

The 'good qualities' contains four words - 'good husband and father.'

biggles said:

ydoethur said:

Foxy said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

ydoethur said:

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Burgessian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.

An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.

It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.

Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489

So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.

If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.

Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.

Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely

Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.

Even dead she haunts the dreams of both Labour and the Tories.

Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.

Winston Churchill?

I wouldn't think of him as a divisive figure post mortem, although goodness knows he was divisive enough in his career.

Quite different opinions on him from various bits of the Empire, from India to Australia.

Here is my comment:

Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.

Your comment therefore is rather irrelevant. Yes of course other people despise him, often with good reason, but that's not connected to British politics. Foot didn't invoke Churchill as a hate figure the way many in Labour still do with Thatcher.

To your original comment, it’s hard to work this out 100 years later, but I think Chamberlain was in this category for those who were active politicians in the 30s. There’s a school of thought that Rab Butler never made PM because he backed appeasement and I think a perception of Chamberlain lasted and affected his successors (would Eden have Gaitskill have both gone so hard on Suez without those ghosts?) that we find it hard to see with modern eyes.

Carnyx said:

biggles said:

ydoethur said:

Foxy said:

ydoethur said:

OldKingCole said:

ydoethur said:

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

Carnyx said:

Burgessian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.

An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.

It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.

This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.

Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489

So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.

If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.

Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.

Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely

Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.

Even dead she haunts the dreams of both Labour and the Tories.

Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.

Winston Churchill?

I wouldn't think of him as a divisive figure post mortem, although goodness knows he was divisive enough in his career.

Quite different opinions on him from various bits of the Empire, from India to Australia.

Here is my comment:

Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.

Your comment therefore is rather irrelevant. Yes of course other people despise him, often with good reason, but that's not connected to British politics. Foot didn't invoke Churchill as a hate figure the way many in Labour still do with Thatcher.

To your original comment, it’s hard to work this out 100 years later, but I think Chamberlain was in this category for those who were active politicians in the 30s. There’s a school of thought that Rab Butler never made PM because he backed appeasement and I think a perception of Chamberlain lasted and affected his successors (would Eden have Gaitskill have both gone so hard on Suez without those ghosts?) that we find it hard to see with modern eyes.

No idea if it is right, but it's an interesting idea!

mickydroy said:

Both France and South Africa look superior to England tonight, but have they left their semi final chanches on the pitch tonight?

CJtheOptimist said:

mickydroy said:

Both France and South Africa look superior to England tonight, but have they left their semi final chanches on the pitch tonight?

Absolutely not

viewcode said:

Foxy said:

Interesting piece by Mark Pack on how the polls may have got it wrong for Labour.

https://theweekinpolls.substack.com/p/what-should-worry-labour-in-the-polls

Interesting and liked, thank you

ydoethur said:

Malmesbury said:

A

viewcode said:

Dura_Ace said:

viewcode said:

CJtheOptimist said:

This is a great response to a question I asked this evening while discussing this vexing situation - "what is it that Hamas were hoping to get from their actions?" eternal discord and grievance - horrifying but entirely plausible.

• i) Preserve their power base amongst the people of Gaza and prevent interlopers superseding them as the supreme Gazan power
  
• ii) Attempt to unify anti-Israeli forces outside Gaza under one banner (theirs)
  
• iii) Attempt to disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries, eg Saudi Arabia
  

In short:

• i) keep the power they have
  
• ii) gain allies
  
• iii) weaken the power of their enemy
  

So far, unfortunately, it seems to be working

Excellent strategy and execution from Hamas.

The only thing Gaza produces is people so that's the resource they exploit.

Burning up people to achieve their goal. Not good.

I think it was Napoleon who was supposed to have said some thing like “France produces an income of x hundred thousand new soldiers each year. I intend to live upon my income.”

Haven't heard that one, but when Bernadotte lamented the 1300 French dead of Austerlitz, Napoleon shrugged and said 'the women of Paris can replace them in one night.'

Britain, at the expence of three millions, has killed 150 Yankies this campaign, which is £20,000 a head; and at Bunker’s Hill she gained a mile of ground, half of which she lost again by our taking post on Ploughed Hill.6 During the same time 60,000 children have been born in America. From these data his mathematical head will easily calculate the time and expence necessary to kill us all, and conquer our whole territory.

dixiedean said:

CJtheOptimist said:

mickydroy said:

Both France and South Africa look superior to England tonight, but have they left their semi final chanches on the pitch tonight?

Absolutely not

The sad part is that's the optimist speaking

Leon said:

Weird feeling France might - relatively - trounce SA

Feel free to laugh at me later

viewcode said:

Foxy said:

Interesting piece by Mark Pack on how the polls may have got it wrong for Labour.

https://theweekinpolls.substack.com/p/what-should-worry-labour-in-the-polls

Interesting and liked, thank you

mickydroy said:

Both France and South Africa look superior to England tonight, but have they left their semi final chanches on the pitch tonight?

stodge said:

viewcode said:

Foxy said:

Interesting piece by Mark Pack on how the polls may have got it wrong for Labour.

https://theweekinpolls.substack.com/p/what-should-worry-labour-in-the-polls

Interesting and liked, thank you

It doesn't tell us anything new to be honest. We know Starmer is not as wildly popular as Blair was in 1995-97. To be fair to Starmer, Blair is a hard act to follow and had there been no Blair (with all the cynicism the period produced), I think Starmer would be much more popular.

As New Zealand showed yesterday, it's quite possible for an opposition to win solely because the incumbent Government has become so unpopular and the swing achieved by Luxon isn't far off what the polls are predicting Starmer will get.

MarqueeMark said:

England represent Northern Hemisphere rugby in the semis.....

mickydroy said:

Both France and South Africa look superior to England tonight, but have they left their semi final chanches on the pitch tonight?

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

France will win this, red card or not, they are too good. But the Boks are brilliant

England will, ahem, struggle a tad against France

I can't see France losing to NZ at home, not in a final in fervent Paris

Ireland might have given them a game, but the ABs it is, yet the ABs are not a vintage AB side and they got a bit lucky against an Irish machine on the blink

Bur what a series of quarter finals!

Weirdly I reckon SA will win despite France having a points and man advantage

Anabobazina said:

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

France will win this, red card or not, they are too good. But the Boks are brilliant

England will, ahem, struggle a tad against France

I can't see France losing to NZ at home, not in a final in fervent Paris

Ireland might have given them a game, but the ABs it is, yet the ABs are not a vintage AB side and they got a bit lucky against an Irish machine on the blink

Bur what a series of quarter finals!

Weirdly I reckon SA will win despite France having a points and man advantage

Called it!

Foxy said:

stodge said:

viewcode said:

Foxy said:

Interesting piece by Mark Pack on how the polls may have got it wrong for Labour.

https://theweekinpolls.substack.com/p/what-should-worry-labour-in-the-polls

Interesting and liked, thank you

It doesn't tell us anything new to be honest. We know Starmer is not as wildly popular as Blair was in 1995-97. To be fair to Starmer, Blair is a hard act to follow and had there been no Blair (with all the cynicism the period produced), I think Starmer would be much more popular.

As New Zealand showed yesterday, it's quite possible for an opposition to win solely because the incumbent Government has become so unpopular and the swing achieved by Luxon isn't far off what the polls are predicting Starmer will get.

I though the lack of Tactical Voting interesting, though not sure how an MRP shows it.