Andy Burnham backers please explain yourselves – politicalbetting.com
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Actually on current Scotland only polls the Tories may even gain seats in Scotland as well as Labour as the SNP are down about 10% on 2019 and the Scottish Conservatives only down about 6%malcolmg said:
There is every chance they could be bigger than the rump of the Tory party left given current popularity.HYUFD said:
On current polls they may achieve neither given the swing from SNP to Labour.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Not that Sunak or Starmer will care less what Yousaf proposed and the SNP conference decided0 -
6% of very little is not much right enoughHYUFD said:
Actually on current Scotland only polls the Tories may even gain seats in Scotland as well as Labour as the SNP are down about 10% on 2019 and the Scottish Conservatives only down about 6%malcolmg said:
There is every chance they could be bigger than the rump of the Tory party left given current popularity.HYUFD said:
On current polls they may achieve neither given the swing from SNP to Labour.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Not that Sunak or Starmer will care less what Yousaf proposed and the SNP conference decided1 -
I'm interested in Alba (I realise those are words never before uttered by a human being).HYUFD said:
Actually on current Scotland only polls the Tories may even gain seats in Scotland as well as Labour as the SNP are down about 10% on 2019 and the Scottish Conservatives only down about 6%malcolmg said:
There is every chance they could be bigger than the rump of the Tory party left given current popularity.HYUFD said:
On current polls they may achieve neither given the swing from SNP to Labour.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Not that Sunak or Starmer will care less what Yousaf proposed and the SNP conference decided
Do they stand anyway and take a couple of percent from the SNP, which could cost them a few seats if things are tight?0 -
Occasionally it turns to Stilton - about once in a blue moon.Malmesbury said:
A variant of Wensleydale, surely?Foxy said:
Everyone can see the moon is made of Swiss cheese. Some of the holes are visible.MarqueeMark said:
So your counter-suggestion is....?rcs1000 said:
You can suggest it.MarqueeMark said:Can I suggest there has never been a better set of quarter finals in ANY sport, ever?
You can also suggest the moon is made of cream cheese.2 -
Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.HYUFD said:
Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.Carnyx said:
If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.Burgessian said:
So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely1 -
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Is @HYUFD about? Want to verify the status of Franco….Benpointer said:
Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.HYUFD said:
Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.Carnyx said:
If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.Burgessian said:
So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely0 -
Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?DoubleCarpet said:
He became a Voodoo Pole!
(I thank you!)1 -
She lives on in the hearts of protonostalgic Conservatives and unreformed 80's throwback leftists.Benpointer said:
Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.HYUFD said:
Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.Carnyx said:
If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.Burgessian said:
So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely0 -
Like Bill Withers, she’s no longer with us.Benpointer said:
Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.HYUFD said:
Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.Carnyx said:
If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.Burgessian said:
So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely0 -
Even dead she haunts the dreams of both Labour and the Tories.Benpointer said:
Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.HYUFD said:
Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.Carnyx said:
If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.Burgessian said:
So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely
Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.0 -
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Winston Churchill?ydoethur said:
Even dead she haunts the dreams of both Labour and the Tories.Benpointer said:
Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.HYUFD said:
Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.Carnyx said:
If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.Burgessian said:
So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely
Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.1 -
1 ChurchillOldKingCole said:
Winston Churchill?ydoethur said:
Even dead she haunts the dreams of both Labour and the Tories.Benpointer said:
Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.HYUFD said:
Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.Carnyx said:
If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.Burgessian said:
So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely
Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.
2 Thatcher
3 Gladstone
The most dominant PMs of all time in my view0 -
Weird feeling France might - relatively - trounce SA
Feel free to laugh at me later0 -
Yes I did, because you've told that one before....Sunil_Prasannan said:
Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?DoubleCarpet said:
He became a Voodoo Pole!
(I thank you!)
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Morons shouting during the minutes silence.
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Gut feeling, this will be another term for PiS, even if narrowly.0
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PItt, Peel, and Lloyd George might be on that lost too.HYUFD said:
1 ChurchillOldKingCole said:
Winston Churchill?ydoethur said:
Even dead she haunts the dreams of both Labour and the Tories.Benpointer said:
Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.HYUFD said:
Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.Carnyx said:
If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.Burgessian said:
So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely
Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.
2 Thatcher
3 Gladstone
The most dominant PMs of all time in my view0 -
CJtheOptimist said:
This is a great response to a question I asked this evening while discussing this vexing situation - "what is it that Hamas were hoping to get from their actions?" eternal discord and grievance - horrifying but entirely plausible.
- i) Preserve their power base amongst the people of Gaza and prevent interlopers superseding them as the supreme Gazan power
- ii) Attempt to unify anti-Israeli forces outside Gaza under one banner (theirs)
- iii) Attempt to disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries, eg Saudi Arabia
- i) keep the power they have
- ii) gain allies
- iii) weaken the power of their enemy
1 - i) Preserve their power base amongst the people of Gaza and prevent interlopers superseding them as the supreme Gazan power
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What, no Truss?HYUFD said:
1 ChurchillOldKingCole said:
Winston Churchill?ydoethur said:
Even dead she haunts the dreams of both Labour and the Tories.Benpointer said:
Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.HYUFD said:
Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.Carnyx said:
If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.Burgessian said:
So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely
Hard to think of another Prime Minister who exerted such an extraordinary and divisive stranglehold on British politics so long after death. Pitt and Peel, perhaps, but very few others.
2 Thatcher
3 Gladstone
The most dominant PMs of all time in my view1 -
Wasn't "General Franco Still Dead" a running gag on something like Saturday Night Live?Malmesbury said:
Is @HYUFD about? Want to verify the status of Franco….Benpointer said:
Thank you for clarifying that Margaret Thatcher is no longer even alive.HYUFD said:
Holyrood wasn't even created when Thatcher was PM and she is no longer even alive.Carnyx said:
If they have a majority that's it. It was good enough for Mrs Thatcher, remember.Burgessian said:
So the idea is they could lose a bunch of MPs and use that as a mandate for another independence referendum. Hmm. Run that past me again. Humza.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Instead as the UK SC confirmed if Unionists have a majority across the UK, then Westminster can block an indyref2 indefinitely
And if Maggie is dead, should someone break it to the Conservative Party membership?1 -
I think SA are going to upset the hosts tonight.0
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Those anthems made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Magnificent spectacle.
Now for a few effing adverts.0 -
@stodge, @Cicero, @DoubleCarpet
As ever, thank you for your election-related coverage. You are unsung heroes.3 -
Maybe it’s been posted here already but I only just saw it on Jake Broe - video of Hamas knocking down the Gazan border wall last week, commands being shouted in Russian. Bit ominous.
Meanwhile another interesting thought raised on Twitter for the bettors here. Namely Blinken as next president. I can’t even see him on betfair but depending on the next few months, it might not be the worst outside bet.0 -
A lot of people said on the first weekend that the opening match would also be the closing match. That is now looking a strong likliehood. My prediction was the match just starting would be the final.CJtheOptimist said:
Hey, I said it first! (hopefully have not put the kiss of death on it!) I've fancied France for WC2023 since before that first game.Leon said:A France-England semi will be much better for the tournament. France would have easily beaten Fiji; England could test them. France will be nervous and wary. Tho I still expect France to win
This is especially so as the other semi will be a doddle for NZ
France for the Cup0 -
Nations that have won the World Cup either with the Union Jack in their flags, or some element of it:
All of them
Nations that have won the World Cup, witthout this:
None0 -
Excellent strategy and execution from Hamas.viewcode said:CJtheOptimist said:This is a great response to a question I asked this evening while discussing this vexing situation - "what is it that Hamas were hoping to get from their actions?" eternal discord and grievance - horrifying but entirely plausible.
- i) Preserve their power base amongst the people of Gaza and prevent interlopers superseding them as the supreme Gazan power
- ii) Attempt to unify anti-Israeli forces outside Gaza under one banner (theirs)
- iii) Attempt to disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries, eg Saudi Arabia
- i) keep the power they have
- ii) gain allies
- iii) weaken the power of their enemy
The only thing Gaza produces is people so that's the resource they exploit.0 - i) Preserve their power base amongst the people of Gaza and prevent interlopers superseding them as the supreme Gazan power
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9 p.m. IPSOS EXIT POLL
PIS 36.8% - 200 seats
KO 31.6% - 163 seats
TD 13% - 55 seats
Lewica 8.6% - 30 seats
KON 6.2% - 12 seats
BEZ 2.4% - 0 seats
KO + TD + Lewica MAJORITY
So let's see if that holds when the actual results come in - IIRC in Poland they are released in huge batches rather than a live count (which I always think feels slightly potentially more dodgy).
If these were the results, there would be a change in government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Polish_parliamentary_election1 -
Anyone know how reliable Polish polls are?DoubleCarpet said:9 p.m. IPSOS EXIT POLL
PIS 36.8% - 200 seats
KO 31.6% - 163 seats
TD 13% - 55 seats
Lewica 8.6% - 30 seats
KON 6.2% - 12 seats
BEZ 2.4% - 0 seats
KO + TD + Lewica MAJORITY
So let's see if that holds when the actual results come in - IIRC in Poland they are released in huge batches rather than a live count (which I always think feels slightly potentially more dodgy).
If these were the results, there would be a change in government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Polish_parliamentary_election0 -
I am mentally prepared for France to win the world cup this year.1
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Wow. England will lose the semi by about 50 points.
That said that's what we thought in tge final in 2007and in the end they managed to lose only by the width of Matthew Tait's boot.
(Ah, that day was a very early date with my now wife. Oh you should have seen the way she moved around the pub that night. I admit my mind was only pqrtially on the game.)0 -
South Africa didn’t win the World Cup before their flag changed so by the time they did the Union Jack had gone from their flag.Leon said:Nations that have won the World Cup either with the Union Jack in their flags, or some element of it:
All of them
Nations that have won the World Cup, witthout this:
None1 -
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
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Jesus Christ
Sensational sport
Is any interntional sport as good as ths, at this level?2 -
What part of South Africa's flag has an element of it? I mean, some of the colours maybe but those are pretty common.Leon said:Nations that have won the World Cup either with the Union Jack in their flags, or some element of it:
All of them
Nations that have won the World Cup, witthout this:
None0 -
True if they can agree a coalition, though Law and Justice would win most seats for a third successive electionDoubleCarpet said:9 p.m. IPSOS EXIT POLL
PIS 36.8% - 200 seats
KO 31.6% - 163 seats
TD 13% - 55 seats
Lewica 8.6% - 30 seats
KON 6.2% - 12 seats
BEZ 2.4% - 0 seats
KO + TD + Lewica MAJORITY
So let's see if that holds when the actual results come in - IIRC in Poland they are released in huge batches rather than a live count (which I always think feels slightly potentially more dodgy).
If these were the results, there would be a change in government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Polish_parliamentary_election0 -
The biggest cost of cash is insurance; an insurer will typically price you as if you are cleaned out 3-4x a year.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?0 -
This is different class to Eng vs Fiji game....1
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It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)0 -
No idea, but if Kellner's Law is in action as it so often is, the actual results will be better for the right and worse for the left.Stuartinromford said:
Anyone know how reliable Polish polls are?DoubleCarpet said:9 p.m. IPSOS EXIT POLL
PIS 36.8% - 200 seats
KO 31.6% - 163 seats
TD 13% - 55 seats
Lewica 8.6% - 30 seats
KON 6.2% - 12 seats
BEZ 2.4% - 0 seats
KO + TD + Lewica MAJORITY
So let's see if that holds when the actual results come in - IIRC in Poland they are released in huge batches rather than a live count (which I always think feels slightly potentially more dodgy).
If these were the results, there would be a change in government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Polish_parliamentary_election
On the exits that looks like a 248-212 seat lead for the opposition.0 -
The old one did have a Union Jack as one of three flags in the middle white band until replaced by the “Reggae Party” as my SA friends call the replacement - with love not racism.kle4 said:
What part of South Africa's flag has an element of it? I mean, some of the colours maybe but those are pretty common.Leon said:Nations that have won the World Cup either with the Union Jack in their flags, or some element of it:
All of them
Nations that have won the World Cup, witthout this:
None1 -
"Element of it"boulay said:
South Africa didn’t win the World Cup before their flag changed so by the time they did the Union Jack had gone from their flag.Leon said:Nations that have won the World Cup either with the Union Jack in their flags, or some element of it:
All of them
Nations that have won the World Cup, witthout this:
None
Part of the new SA flag is a conscious and rightful hommage to the Union Jack: the flag designer said this at the time1 -
Another round of mid-Beds anecdata - I try to be truthful rather than optimistic, but remember I'm just a cog in a large wheel, so it's as much to share for interest rather than a solid basis.
About 35 canvassers this morning, divided into 7 teams. My team recanvassed the very posh and very pretty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspley_Guise - the most expensive ward in the constituency, I was told. It was surprisingly lively - lots of Labour posters, and not only a LibDem canvasser but two of the hitherto unseen (by me) beast, Conservative canvassers. We all gave each other cheery waves. And although the Labour people there are ready to show the flag and actually eager to vote, I also met a good deal of strong Tory support for the first time (as opposed to "might stick with them" etc.). They're not doing posters, but they'd have no trouble getting a bunch up there if they wanted to. However, it did feel like a purely Tory-Labour battleground - I didn't meet any declared LibDem voters, unlike yesterday and this afternoon.
The afternoon shift was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marston_Moreteyne, which is less posh and a bit scruffier but still mostly detached houses plus some semis. Very few posters for anyone, and a generally meh reception - "haven't thought about it", "you're all the same", "can't be bothered", etc. All of Tories, LibDems and Labour have supporters there but it exuded low turnout, and there was a noticeable hardening since the previous canvass from "don't know" to "won't vote".
In both sessions, there was very little shift between the parties since the previous canvasses, apart from the odd LD->Lab switch on tactical grounds. "It seems to have been going on forever", said one voter wryly, and I think many would agree. I'm still not meeting almost anyone interested in policy, or referring to parties favourably or unfavourably on policy - it's coming down to "I've always voted Tory" vs "Time for a change". The Tory campaign remains enigmatic - very little canvassing, though lots on social media. Perhaps they're genuinely short of volunteers? The Independent, by the way, now seems to have negligible support.
I talked to someone high up in the campaign who has been there throughout the last four weeks. He said the earlier betting odds were about right - Lab marginally ahead, but far from comfortably. He thought the LibDems peaked early on but it was mostly turning into a Con/Lab battle.
The Betfair odds have shifted markedly to a Tory win - now as short as 2.14 (Lab 2.76). That doesn't feel right - DYOR but if both parties were on 2.2 that'd IMO be about right.6 -
Yes.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Wife and I went for a walk from Latimers to Roker pier and back yesterday. Coffee shop we stopped at explicitly asked for cash. Not for some dumb conspiracy theory but simply due to the charges they incur.
I paid by card as I don’t really carry cash now but I am starting to wonder if I should0 -
Anybody believe these two packs have never seen an anabolic steroid.....1
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Burning up people to achieve their goal. Not good.Dura_Ace said:
Excellent strategy and execution from Hamas.viewcode said:CJtheOptimist said:This is a great response to a question I asked this evening while discussing this vexing situation - "what is it that Hamas were hoping to get from their actions?" eternal discord and grievance - horrifying but entirely plausible.
- i) Preserve their power base amongst the people of Gaza and prevent interlopers superseding them as the supreme Gazan power
- ii) Attempt to unify anti-Israeli forces outside Gaza under one banner (theirs)
- iii) Attempt to disrupt the Israeli rapprochment with other countries, eg Saudi Arabia
- i) keep the power they have
- ii) gain allies
- iii) weaken the power of their enemy
The only thing Gaza produces is people so that's the resource they exploit.
0 - i) Preserve their power base amongst the people of Gaza and prevent interlopers superseding them as the supreme Gazan power
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"Three of the flag's colours were taken from the flag of the South African Republic, itself derived from the flag of the Netherlands, as well as the Union Jack,"kle4 said:
What part of South Africa's flag has an element of it? I mean, some of the colours maybe but those are pretty common.Leon said:Nations that have won the World Cup either with the Union Jack in their flags, or some element of it:
All of them
Nations that have won the World Cup, witthout this:
None
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_South_Africa0 -
"Online ticketing system" - presumably this is some sort of website they are paying for, as opposed to simply the transaction.TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)0 -
But even then the costs aren't that high.LostPassword said:
"Online ticketing system" - presumably this is some sort of website they are paying for, as opposed to simply the transaction.TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)
It simply doesn't pass the smell test for me.1 -
Yes, fair enough, I was thinking of “element” being more along the lines of having the Union Jack in the flag but then that would rule out England weirdly.Leon said:
"Element of it"boulay said:
South Africa didn’t win the World Cup before their flag changed so by the time they did the Union Jack had gone from their flag.Leon said:Nations that have won the World Cup either with the Union Jack in their flags, or some element of it:
All of them
Nations that have won the World Cup, witthout this:
None
Part of the new SA flag is a conscious and rightful hommage to the Union Jack: the flag designer said this at the time
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Fuck
The Boks are good
WHAT A MATCH0 -
which totally passes the smell test, to take your lowest figure 30p on debit cards.....you only need an average payment of 3.33. Even upping it to £5 would incurs a cost of £540TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)0 -
Like the difference between two top premiership soccer teams playing each other and two mid table teams.FrancisUrquhart said:This is different class to Eng vs Fiji game....
They just had a close up of a Saffer player and the sweat was dripping off him. The intensity is amazing.0 -
England will do well to keep the score below 100...1
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Believe me, some people _are_ naturally large and strong.FrancisUrquhart said:Anybody believe these two packs have never seen an anabolic steroid.....
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Look at the traps....CJtheOptimist said:
Believe me, some people _are_ naturally large and strong.FrancisUrquhart said:Anybody believe these two packs have never seen an anabolic steroid.....
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But there are pricing models for high volume low value transactions so they don't get charged the amount they say.Pagan2 said:
which totally passes the smell test, to take your lowest figure 30p on debit cards.....you only need an average payment of 3.33. Even upping it to £5 would incurs a cost of £540TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)0 -
And I thought earlier matches were exciting …
I support whichever team is behind0 -
We can't be shouting for the French....that an instant dismissal to the sin bin of Conservative Home.geoffw said:And I thought earlier matches were exciting …
I support whichever team is behind1 -
Whoever wins this, wins the Cup
France, for me1 -
Just as well, reallyTheScreamingEagles said:I am mentally prepared for France to win the world cup this year.
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Maybe if its injected into their arsecheeks.FrancisUrquhart said:Anybody believe these two packs have never seen an anabolic steroid.....
0 -
I was chatting to a stats/polling person about that a few weeks ago and they said 'no'. Unless you're really talking about a handful of votes deciding the result.kle4 said:
I'm interested in Alba (I realise those are words never before uttered by a human being).HYUFD said:
Actually on current Scotland only polls the Tories may even gain seats in Scotland as well as Labour as the SNP are down about 10% on 2019 and the Scottish Conservatives only down about 6%malcolmg said:
There is every chance they could be bigger than the rump of the Tory party left given current popularity.HYUFD said:
On current polls they may achieve neither given the swing from SNP to Labour.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Not that Sunak or Starmer will care less what Yousaf proposed and the SNP conference decided
Do they stand anyway and take a couple of percent from the SNP, which could cost them a few seats if things are tight?
I didn't care enough about it to question their answer - so ymmv.0 -
I haven't seen a charge down in an international for about 20 years.2
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I think it's possible they've been done over and sold something they don't really need at an exorbitant cost. This happens in all sorts of areas, though is more prevalent with something like IT when a lot of the people buying it don't understand it.TheScreamingEagles said:
But even then the costs aren't that high.LostPassword said:
"Online ticketing system" - presumably this is some sort of website they are paying for, as opposed to simply the transaction.TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)
It simply doesn't pass the smell test for me.1 -
I am, traps are quite easy to build in the gymFrancisUrquhart said:
Look at the traps....CJtheOptimist said:
Believe me, some people _are_ naturally large and strong.FrancisUrquhart said:Anybody believe these two packs have never seen an anabolic steroid.....
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They will go through the mincer, to be sureFrancisUrquhart said:England will do well to keep the score below 100...
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They stated if they sold 9k they only had 8k left after bank charges for cashless and online ticketing. If you think they are lying about it provide a source. Whereas they also state it would cost them 1.5% to deposit the cash which at 9k would cost £135. Using online ticketing and cashless payments therefore unless they are lying cost the an extra £865. If you think they are lying provide a sourceTheScreamingEagles said:
But there are pricing models for high volume low value transactions so they don't get charged the amount they say.Pagan2 said:
which totally passes the smell test, to take your lowest figure 30p on debit cards.....you only need an average payment of 3.33. Even upping it to £5 would incurs a cost of £540TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)0 -
The difference betweem this and America Football is ridiculous
Admittedly this is the very peak of the sport, but still
OMFGGGGGG1 -
You can *never* write off the FrenchLeon said:Fuck
The Boks are good
WHAT A MATCH0 -
Fucking hell.
5 quality tries in 25 mins.2 -
There seem to be a large number of political alliance groupings in Poland. Like, to the point of making it ineffective, and needing a super alliance grouping too.1
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Well, not until the full 80 minutes is up, anywayCJtheOptimist said:
You can *never* write off the FrenchLeon said:Fuck
The Boks are good
WHAT A MATCH0 -
We'll be almost halfway into a UK parliament by the next Holyrood election. If people aren't "feeling it" they might well swing back.HYUFD said:
On current polls they may achieve neither given the swing from SNP to Labour.TheScreamingEagles said:SNP delegates have backed Humza Yousaf's plan to use the next general election result to push for a second independence referendum.
An amended version of the strategy was voted through overwhelmingly at the party's annual conference in Aberdeen.
It is based on winning a majority of Scottish seats, at least 29.
This would provide a mandate to for another referendum, according to the proposals.
Under the agreed strategy, if the SNP win the majority of seats in Scotland in the next general election, it will demand the powers to hold a referendum are transferred to the Scottish Parliament.
Alternatively, the strategy said the party should consider using the 2026 Scottish Parliament election as a de facto referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67116489
Not that Sunak or Starmer will care less what Yousaf proposed and the SNP conference decided0 -
Yup that seems plausible, the whole payment system is rapidly evolving, nowadays you don't need any hardware other than a smartphone.LostPassword said:
I think it's possible they've been done over and sold something they don't really need at an exorbitant cost. This happens in all sorts of areas, though is more prevalent with something like IT when a lot of the people buying it don't understand it.TheScreamingEagles said:
But even then the costs aren't that high.LostPassword said:
"Online ticketing system" - presumably this is some sort of website they are paying for, as opposed to simply the transaction.TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)
It simply doesn't pass the smell test for me.
https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2023/07/apple-introduces-tap-to-pay-on-iphone-in-the-uk/0 -
For higher volume, lower cost transactions its possible to get transaction charges down to 1p per transaction.Pagan2 said:
which totally passes the smell test, to take your lowest figure 30p on debit cards.....you only need an average payment of 3.33. Even upping it to £5 would incurs a cost of £540TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)
Much cheaper than cash.0 -
I am not sure i have ever seen a game as good as this...Leon said:The difference betweem this and America Football is ridiculous
Admittedly this is the very peak of the sport, but still
OMFGGGGGG2 -
is it still 30p for every debit card transaction - that adds up quick if say you are selling beers at £6 a time..TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup that seems plausible, the whole payment system is rapidly evolving, nowadays you don't need any hardware other than a smartphone.LostPassword said:
I think it's possible they've been done over and sold something they don't really need at an exorbitant cost. This happens in all sorts of areas, though is more prevalent with something like IT when a lot of the people buying it don't understand it.TheScreamingEagles said:
But even then the costs aren't that high.LostPassword said:
"Online ticketing system" - presumably this is some sort of website they are paying for, as opposed to simply the transaction.TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)
It simply doesn't pass the smell test for me.
https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2023/07/apple-introduces-tap-to-pay-on-iphone-in-the-uk/0 -
Maybe they've just been set up/advised badly? I have no idea - but it's possibly some cowboy has left them with a bad deal?Pagan2 said:
They stated if they sold 9k they only had 8k left after bank charges for cashless and online ticketing. If you think they are lying about it provide a source. Whereas they also state it would cost them 1.5% to deposit the cash which at 9k would cost £135. Using online ticketing and cashless payments therefore unless they are lying cost the an extra £865. If you think they are lying provide a sourceTheScreamingEagles said:
But there are pricing models for high volume low value transactions so they don't get charged the amount they say.Pagan2 said:
which totally passes the smell test, to take your lowest figure 30p on debit cards.....you only need an average payment of 3.33. Even upping it to £5 would incurs a cost of £540TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)1 -
Six tries in 30 mins, I need a cigarette as I cannot cope.0
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6. Fans getting their money's worth tonight.TheScreamingEagles said:Fucking hell.
5 quality tries in 25 mins.0 -
French power versus South African flair!FrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure i have ever seen a game as good as this...Leon said:The difference betweem this and America Football is ridiculous
Admittedly this is the very peak of the sport, but still
OMFGGGGGG0 -
What a game this is. These players are all giving their all. It’s really really intense.1
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I feel warn out just watching it....how long to half time, not sure can make it.Taz said:What a game this is. These players are all giving their all. It’s really really intense.
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Nah, it's the other way round.No_Offence_Alan said:
French power versus South African flair!FrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure i have ever seen a game as good as this...Leon said:The difference betweem this and America Football is ridiculous
Admittedly this is the very peak of the sport, but still
OMFGGGGGG0 -
No, that's the general pricing structure, however when you sign up with a payment processing firm they ask a lot of questions and if you are a high volume, low value card transaction business you can get the charge down to single pennies per transaction.eek said:
is it still 30p for every debit card transaction - that adds up quick if say you are selling beers at £6 a time..TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup that seems plausible, the whole payment system is rapidly evolving, nowadays you don't need any hardware other than a smartphone.LostPassword said:
I think it's possible they've been done over and sold something they don't really need at an exorbitant cost. This happens in all sorts of areas, though is more prevalent with something like IT when a lot of the people buying it don't understand it.TheScreamingEagles said:
But even then the costs aren't that high.LostPassword said:
"Online ticketing system" - presumably this is some sort of website they are paying for, as opposed to simply the transaction.TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't past the smell test.Pagan2 said:
hmmm so two bits of that article...quotes incoming "yet a recent change in the classification of the Lions account by HSBC means any cash deposits or withdrawals attract a 1.5 per cent charge."Taz said:Cashless society is impacting the ability of charities and other groups to raise funds for good causes.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-12630377/JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-March-cashless-society-continues.html
and
"What jars,' says Jim, 'is that the payment machines and the online ticketing system we use charge on a percentage of takings basis. So for our recent Beer Festival in August, we made a profit of £8,000 instead of £9,000."
So on 9000 depositing cash would have cost 135 but using cashless systems cost a 1000. Aren't the proponents of cashless always telling us its so much cheaper for things to be cashless?
Cashless is much cheaper usually.
Transaction charges on debit cards is something like 30p per transaction, 2% for Mastercard and Visa credit cards, and 4% for AMEX.
(There are other transaction charging percentages but that's the usual ballpark.)
It simply doesn't pass the smell test for me.
https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2023/07/apple-introduces-tap-to-pay-on-iphone-in-the-uk/0 -
i mean
fuck1 -
Awesome...awesome...awesome...
Running out of superlatives for this match2 -
Don't, it's so bad for you.TheScreamingEagles said:Six tries in 30 mins, I need a cigarette as I cannot cope.
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I know, it's why I smoke cigars.CJtheOptimist said:
Don't, it's so bad for you.TheScreamingEagles said:Six tries in 30 mins, I need a cigarette as I cannot cope.
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Are England allowed to concede the semi-final rather than go through it? I mean we've all had a nice time, and final four isn't bad, but probably leave it to the pros from here.2
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HahahaSirNorfolkPassmore said:Are England allowed to concede the semi-final rather than go through it? I mean we've all had a nice time, and final four isn't bad, but probably leave it to the pros from here.
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I'm hoping the winner of this match are so drained by this match that they are broken for next weekend's semi final and England smash them.SirNorfolkPassmore said:Are England allowed to concede the semi-final rather than go through it? I mean we've all had a nice time, and final four isn't bad, but probably leave it to the pros from here.
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Ils chantent:
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Interesting piece by Mark Pack on how the polls may have got it wrong for Labour.
https://theweekinpolls.substack.com/p/what-should-worry-labour-in-the-polls0
