Is LAB going to make a by-election gain tonight? – politicalbetting.com
Is LAB going to make a by-election gain tonight? – politicalbetting.com
There has been very little coverage of this election simply because it looks like a near certainty for Starmer’s party.
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First like Labour?0
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So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/0 -
That would be a fun conference. And I suspect you could snag yourself an invite by just emailing them and asking if you could go.geoffw said:
I'm waiting for my invitation from the Mont Pelerin Society to their Bretton Woods conference later this monthrcs1000 said:By the way, anyone can go to the World Economic Forum. Tickets are expensive, but this isn't like Bohemian Grove or the Bilderberg Group, which are closed invite only events.
I actually went to the Mount Washington Hotel in Bretton Woods this summer. And I got some photos of the rooms where the (original) Bretton Woods conference was held.
It was - candidly - a bit musty and disappointing. It might be fun to go during ski season.0 -
Wait, I see an edit in your post.Benpointer said:First without an edit!
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See previuous thread. DT telling porkies.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/0 -
Yebbut... I can't edit that out nowRobD said:
Wait, I see an edit in your post.Benpointer said:First without an edit!
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I think Labour will win by around 1,500 to 2,000 votes.1
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I'll stick with my Labour +4800 majority0
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HUGE by election for LAB tonight. LAB need the 10% majority to look like they are back in Scotland. I think they will get it.0
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Starmer is being smart. Side-stepping all the (rather pathetic) traps that Sunak is desperately trying to set.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/1 -
Surely snp are damaged goods after the Sturgeon debacle.0
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The Times speculate the result will be between 1am to 2am.DavidL said:Does anyone know when Rutherglen is counting? It is the most important by-election in Scotland for a very long time.
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Sorry about that, edited and re-edited. Actually, from a position of mostly ignorance I wonder if at those %s the value lies with SNP.Benpointer said:First without an edit!
What I do know is that someone I know who lives in the constituency and used to work for the SNP has voted Labour2 -
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/4 -
Conservative policies without the "Conservative" swivel-eyed loons? Perhaps the slogan will be "Want Tory, vote Labour"?Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
I sound like BJO
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My prediction for tonight: Labour +3800. (it's a guess, no inside knowledge)0
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What I said earlier...
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And unfortunately, this is true, isn't it?Heathener said:
Starmer is being smart. Side-stepping all the (rather pathetic) traps that Sunak is desperately trying to set.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
So much clutching at straws. Snap out of it. A Labour Party that maybe wins an election in maybe a year and promises to buy back the land, hire back the engineers, reopen the closed factories, etc... (all at huge cost) just isn't a big enough promise to make private capital wait.
https://twitter.com/thomasforth/status/1710003934226513971
So much easier to destroy than to create.
Mr Sunak, if you seek your memorial, look around...1 -
Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155710 -
NHS dentistry is a complete disgrace now.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155712 -
Yesterday Ed Davey made his 6th visit to Mid Bedfordshire. When did Keir Starmer last visit? Just saying.0
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I expect Labour to win Rutherglen by between 6,000 and 10,000 depending on turnout. I expect Labour to take between 60% and 70% of the vote. I expect the Conservatives to lose their deposit.1
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OK, my prediction: Labour by 2,000Benpointer said:
I believe it's there more or less permanently but the by-election count is tonight.Sunil_Prasannan said:Wait - Rutherglen is tonight?
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Definitely a huge by-election as @londonpubman says.
More important perhaps than a single thing that happened in Manchester this week.0 -
Just Keep Calmer, Casino. Just Keep CalmerCasino_Royale said:
Sunil, this wasn't funny the 234th time you posted it and is even less so now.Sunil_Prasannan said:Casino_Royale said:
Starmer is a follower, not a leader.Cyclefree said:
How depressing.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good evening
Starmer confirms he will follow Sunak's plans and not reinstate HS2 but invest in the North
I assume that ends any prospect of it being built
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
None of this should surprise anyone.
Expect absolutely nothing new from him in office.
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Correct. On the whole by elections don't matter but this one matters more than most.rottenborough said:Definitely a huge by-election as @londonpubman says.
More important perhaps than a single thing that happened in Manchester this week.0 -
In some respects Rutherglen is more important for Starmer than Mid Beds and Tamworth.
For if he gains it from the SNP with a significant swing it means he can get a comfortable UK majority helped by gains from the SNP even without gaining longer shot Tory seats like the latter in England8 -
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/0 -
I would dearly love SLAB to smash the SNP, but I suspect that's about right. Lots of people are sick of the SNP clown show, but my feeling is many of them are not enthusiastic about Starmer's Labour and will just stay at home - the minging weather may also be a factor in that.rcs1000 said:I think Labour will win by around 1,500 to 2,000 votes.
So SLAB win of around 2000 votes on a low turnout says Poodledamus.1 -
I expect Starmer will make some announcement at the Labour conference that goes further in terms of the plans announced by Sunak .
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Ah, an actual conviction for treason - first in over 40 years.
This pleases me:
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True, there’s certainly a lot riding on tonight’s by-election . I think the leak regarding the police station closures in the constituency finished off any chance for the SNP in getting a miracle result .HYUFD said:In some respects Rutherglen is more important for Starmer than Mid Beds and Tamworth.
For if he gains it from the SNP with a significant swing it means he can get a comfortable UK majority helped by gains from the SNP even without gaining longer shot Tory seats like the latter in England1 -
But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the moneyAnabobazina said:
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/1 -
Remember it was only Scotland that prevented a Jeremy Corbyn Govt in 2017.HYUFD said:In some respects Rutherglen is more important for Starmer than Mid Beds and Tamworth.
For if he gains it from the SNP with a significant swing it means he can get a comfortable UK majority helped by gains from the SNP even without gaining longer shot Tory seats like the latter in England1 -
... saved from HS2 on other transport projects.Cookie said:
But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the moneyAnabobazina said:
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/0 -
These budgets will over run and I don’t see even half of those projects seeing the light of day .Cookie said:
But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the moneyAnabobazina said:
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/0 -
Starmer has had a shocker on PB today, but I'd stop short of treason...just!Casino_Royale said:Ah, an actual conviction for treason - first in over 40 years.
This pleases me:
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I'm disappointed it wasn't Cummings though.Casino_Royale said:Ah, an actual conviction for treason - first in over 40 years.
This pleases me:
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NHS dentistry has been a complete mess for years and is effectively unavailable in some parts of the country. This could prove a very popular move if Labour can fix it, which I doubt. Supervised toothbrushing in schools sounds a bit of a gimmick but would be almost free and not involve conjuring up hundreds more dentists. Is there an actual plan for the hard part? We'll see.Rogertrent said:
NHS dentistry is a complete disgrace now.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155711 -
In a way, it is also very important for Ed Davey. It will give him an indication of how many seats the Lib Dems will need to win to be the third largest party after the next GE, and also an indication of the chances of Labour needing the Lib Dems to run a majority government, either with or without a formal agreement.HYUFD said:In some respects Rutherglen is more important for Starmer than Mid Beds and Tamworth.
For if he gains it from the SNP with a significant swing it means he can get a comfortable UK majority helped by gains from the SNP even without gaining longer shot Tory seats like the latter in England
For the SNP, it will either show their rebels that they need to take action or show that there are enough SNP votes to make their rebellion pointless.
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DIY dentistry in the sense of looking after your own teeth is something we need more of. Seeing a dentist every six months can't make up for neglect the rest of the time.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155712 -
This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economicsCookie said:
But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the moneyAnabobazina said:
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/0 -
A difficult case for charging and sentence. Despite the emphasis in the reports he has not been charged with attempted murder (he didn't get far enough along his plan). And actually if he had been it is quite possible that a life sentence with a massive minimum term would be required - for what attempted murder could be more serious than that of HM QEII?Casino_Royale said:Ah, an actual conviction for treason - first in over 40 years.
This pleases me:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-66113524
So in a sense he deserves much longer than he got. OTOH the judge (who was careful and compassionate) clearly took the view that on and off he was as mad as a box of frogs.
My own view is that what he encompassed was so dangerous that he should have got life but with a shorter minimum term, so that the public could have a rest from his activities for the rest of his life if needed.
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The swing seen in Scottish local by-elections would suggest Labour reversing the %ages on a 10% swing.
Dependent on turnout, I reckon that would be 2400-3000 Lab majority.
But I suspect a lower swing will apply, and a margin of around 6%, say 1350-1800.
1650 my guess, which admittedly is herding a bit.
Above 3000, 12% win = very good result for Labour
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I wonder whether the U turn by North Lanarkshire Council regarding closure of Leisure Centres, libraries, etc., was in response to negative comments to Labour canvassers in the adjoining council area.nico679 said:
True, there’s certainly a lot riding on tonight’s by-election . I think the leak regarding the police station closures in the constituency finished off any chance for the SNP in getting a miracle result .HYUFD said:In some respects Rutherglen is more important for Starmer than Mid Beds and Tamworth.
For if he gains it from the SNP with a significant swing it means he can get a comfortable UK majority helped by gains from the SNP even without gaining longer shot Tory seats like the latter in England0 -
Electric toothbrush plus flossing and fluoride mouthwash is way. Plus xylotol chewing gum which kills bad bacteria in mouth.williamglenn said:
DIY dentistry in the sense of looking after your own teeth is something we need more of. Seeing a dentist every six months can't make up for neglect the rest of the time.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155710 -
Ed who?slade said:Yesterday Ed Davey made his 6th visit to Mid Bedfordshire. When did Keir Starmer last visit? Just saying.
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Keir can (probably) present the new MP for Rutherglen at the conference. The delegates will love it!3
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My dental hygienist says you shouldn't use mouthwash. But should use an electric toothbrush. The dentist says the opposite. I keep having to lie to both of them about my tooth-care regime in one way or another.Rogertrent said:
Electric toothbrush plus flossing and fluoride mouthwash is way. Plus xylotol chewing gum which kills bad bacteria in mouth.williamglenn said:
DIY dentistry in the sense of looking after your own teeth is something we need more of. Seeing a dentist every six months can't make up for neglect the rest of the time.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155713 -
Labour to win Rutherglen. By 5,216 votes.0
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Lab in Rutherglen by about 2,500 (depending on the T/O). I am happy to call this a total guess0
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SNP by 400.0
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My dentist is Polish and has remarked more than once on how appalled he is by our teeth-brushing technique. "You go side-to-side? ... God. It's no wonder...."DecrepiterJohnL said:
NHS dentistry has been a complete mess for years and is effectively unavailable in some parts of the country. This could prove a very popular move if Labour can fix it, which I doubt. Supervised toothbrushing in schools sounds a bit of a gimmick but would be almost free and not involve conjuring up hundreds more dentists. Is there an actual plan for the hard part? We'll see.Rogertrent said:
NHS dentistry is a complete disgrace now.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155710 -
Don't tell Keir!kle4 said:SNP by 400.
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You main 'Sarwar', not 'Starmer', surely?...HYUFD said:In some respects Rutherglen is more important for Starmer than Mid Beds and Tamworth.
For if he gains it from the SNP with a significant swing it means he can get a comfortable UK majority helped by gains from the SNP even without gaining longer shot Tory seats like the latter in England
Aside from that - 10%+ swing to Labour is what they need.1 -
Calvin Robinson calling Sky News Sly News live on air to Mark Austin.
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True enough. My teeth look pretty bad (legacy of poor care in younger days), but I've got relatives whose currently look better yet are actually in a far more perilous state due to neglect. Ten years and the situation won't be close.williamglenn said:
DIY dentistry in the sense of looking after your own teeth is something we need more of. Seeing a dentist every six months can't make up for neglect the rest of the time.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155710 -
Not that the Scottish Tories got any thanks - May preferred to cosy up to the DUP instead.Rogertrent said:
Remember it was only Scotland that prevented a Jeremy Corbyn Govt in 2017.HYUFD said:In some respects Rutherglen is more important for Starmer than Mid Beds and Tamworth.
For if he gains it from the SNP with a significant swing it means he can get a comfortable UK majority helped by gains from the SNP even without gaining longer shot Tory seats like the latter in England0 -
Police Scotland say that no police action is being taken after a complaint had been made about Rishi Sunak's comment about Nicola Sturgeon1
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Gum health also important as its leading cause of tooth loss.kle4 said:
True enough. My teeth look pretty bad (legacy of poor care in younger days), but I've got relatives whose currently look better yet are actually in a far more perilous state due to neglect. Ten years and the situation won't be close.williamglenn said:
DIY dentistry in the sense of looking after your own teeth is something we need more of. Seeing a dentist every six months can't make up for neglect the rest of the time.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155710 -
Yes there are some rather Anglo-centric, London-centric, comments about this. Keir Starmer is a lot less important to Labour in Scotland than Anas Sarwar. We're talking about the Scottish Labour Party.ohnotnow said:
You main 'Sarwar', not 'Starmer', surely?...HYUFD said:In some respects Rutherglen is more important for Starmer than Mid Beds and Tamworth.
For if he gains it from the SNP with a significant swing it means he can get a comfortable UK majority helped by gains from the SNP even without gaining longer shot Tory seats like the latter in England
Aside from that - 10%+ swing to Labour is what they need.0 -
No, Starmer. He needs gains from the SNP to get a clear UK majority and become UK PM as much as Sarwar needs big gains from the SNP to become FMohnotnow said:
You main 'Sarwar', not 'Starmer', surely?...HYUFD said:In some respects Rutherglen is more important for Starmer than Mid Beds and Tamworth.
For if he gains it from the SNP with a significant swing it means he can get a comfortable UK majority helped by gains from the SNP even without gaining longer shot Tory seats like the latter in England
Aside from that - 10%+ swing to Labour is what they need.0 -
I agree with that, it is the responsible thing to do, but you have to contrast this with the Chancellor (with, one assumes, Sunak's assent) continuing to enable the bizarre behaviour of the BOE by indemnifying their lunatic bond sell off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economicsCookie said:
But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the moneyAnabobazina said:
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/bank-of-england-bond-sales-creating-a-selling-gold-at-the-bottom-moment.htmlColumbia Threadneedle’s analysis suggests that the pace of bond sales is 70% faster than that of the U.S. Federal Reserve and around twice the rate of the European Central Bank.
“It’s unclear to us why the Bank has been so hasty. The fast pace of these sales has been pushing down on gilt prices, it’s been worsening the losses for the taxpayer, and worse, it crystallizes what would have been paper losses into a drain that the U.K. Treasury has to make good,” Mahon said.
“For markets, the pace of such hefty selling pressure by the U.K. central bank is in our view, one factor why gilts have struggled this year and struggled to find buyers.”
This potentially dwarves any fiscal spending commitments, and there's no return. It is literally national suicide, and no Government in its right mind would consent to it.2 -
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Can't they get the complainant for wasting police time?Big_G_NorthWales said:Police Scotland say that no police action is being taken after a complaint had been made about Rishi Sunak's comment about Nicola Sturgeon
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I don't think it really exists. A lot of elective surgery is going the same way.Rogertrent said:
NHS dentistry is a complete disgrace now.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155712 -
There wasn’t much expectation management in Uxbridge either from what I saw, although the runes were much more easily readable there.NickPalmer said:0 -
One of those non-stories that never should have been reported in that way.Big_G_NorthWales said:Police Scotland say that no police action is being taken after a complaint had been made about Rishi Sunak's comment about Nicola Sturgeon
Was the joke funny? Yes. Should a Prime Minister tell it? No. Is it a criminal offence? No, or we’re all ######.
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Not really, May won a majority in England in 2017.Rogertrent said:
Remember it was only Scotland that prevented a Jeremy Corbyn Govt in 2017.HYUFD said:In some respects Rutherglen is more important for Starmer than Mid Beds and Tamworth.
For if he gains it from the SNP with a significant swing it means he can get a comfortable UK majority helped by gains from the SNP even without gaining longer shot Tory seats like the latter in England
However gains from the SNP by the Tories ensured she had a UK wide majority with the DUP and Corbyn could not try and form a Labour + SNP + LD + Green + PC government0 -
Get a sonic toothbrush - they're cheap now, you can pick one up for twenty quid online, and you'll be amazed at the improvement even if you think your teeth are past help.kle4 said:
True enough. My teeth look pretty bad (legacy of poor care in younger days), but I've got relatives whose currently look better yet are actually in a far more perilous state due to neglect. Ten years and the situation won't be close.williamglenn said:
DIY dentistry in the sense of looking after your own teeth is something we need more of. Seeing a dentist every six months can't make up for neglect the rest of the time.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155712 -
Who goes side to side? How would that even work?ohnotnow said:
My dentist is Polish and has remarked more than once on how appalled he is by our teeth-brushing technique. "You go side-to-side? ... God. It's no wonder...."DecrepiterJohnL said:
NHS dentistry has been a complete mess for years and is effectively unavailable in some parts of the country. This could prove a very popular move if Labour can fix it, which I doubt. Supervised toothbrushing in schools sounds a bit of a gimmick but would be almost free and not involve conjuring up hundreds more dentists. Is there an actual plan for the hard part? We'll see.Rogertrent said:
NHS dentistry is a complete disgrace now.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-31115571
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Agreed but what we now have in some parts of the country is DIY dentistry with string and a door.williamglenn said:
DIY dentistry in the sense of looking after your own teeth is something we need more of. Seeing a dentist every six months can't make up for neglect the rest of the time.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155710 -
The BOE have had a big part in this and not in a positive mannerLuckyguy1983 said:
I agree with that, it is the responsible thing to do, but you have to contrast this with the Chancellor (with, one assumes, Sunak's assent) continuing to enable the bizarre behaviour of the BOE by indemnifying their lunatic bond sell off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economicsCookie said:
But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the moneyAnabobazina said:
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/bank-of-england-bond-sales-creating-a-selling-gold-at-the-bottom-moment.htmlColumbia Threadneedle’s analysis suggests that the pace of bond sales is 70% faster than that of the U.S. Federal Reserve and around twice the rate of the European Central Bank.
“It’s unclear to us why the Bank has been so hasty. The fast pace of these sales has been pushing down on gilt prices, it’s been worsening the losses for the taxpayer, and worse, it crystallizes what would have been paper losses into a drain that the U.K. Treasury has to make good,” Mahon said.
“For markets, the pace of such hefty selling pressure by the U.K. central bank is in our view, one factor why gilts have struggled this year and struggled to find buyers.”
This potentially dwarves any fiscal spending commitments, and there's no return. It is literally national suicide, and no Government in its right mind would consent to it.0 -
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It is indeed:williamglenn said:
AwkwardBig_G_NorthWales said:Labour cannot promise HS2 to Manchester says Starmer to the BBC
BBC News - Labour can not promise HS2 to Manchester - Keir Starmer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67016873
"No HS2 = no ambition for our country just when the whole world is looking at us. Now is a time to be AMBITIOUS! #GreatDecision"
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SNP by 2500
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I agree. And being fair, all politicians, including Starmer, Reeves, and even right wing disruptors like Truss haven't tackled it. Truss's 3 conference speech themes were 'Drop the tax, cut the bills, build the homes' - 'stop the sell-off' was conspicuous by its absence. Perhaps Truss just doesn't want the reputational damage of picking a fight with the Bank after last time. John Redwood is the only senior politician I see fighting this fight.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The BOE have had a big part in this and not in a positive mannerLuckyguy1983 said:
I agree with that, it is the responsible thing to do, but you have to contrast this with the Chancellor (with, one assumes, Sunak's assent) continuing to enable the bizarre behaviour of the BOE by indemnifying their lunatic bond sell off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economicsCookie said:
But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the moneyAnabobazina said:
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/bank-of-england-bond-sales-creating-a-selling-gold-at-the-bottom-moment.htmlColumbia Threadneedle’s analysis suggests that the pace of bond sales is 70% faster than that of the U.S. Federal Reserve and around twice the rate of the European Central Bank.
“It’s unclear to us why the Bank has been so hasty. The fast pace of these sales has been pushing down on gilt prices, it’s been worsening the losses for the taxpayer, and worse, it crystallizes what would have been paper losses into a drain that the U.K. Treasury has to make good,” Mahon said.
“For markets, the pace of such hefty selling pressure by the U.K. central bank is in our view, one factor why gilts have struggled this year and struggled to find buyers.”
This potentially dwarves any fiscal spending commitments, and there's no return. It is literally national suicide, and no Government in its right mind would consent to it.0 -
On balance, the more I look at it, the more I think it’s about the right decision. It’s just shame it couldn’t have waited for the first Labour Budget or SR, so that the resultant projects could have a bit of political backing going into the next decade. I get the sense Starmer and co are really starting to think about actually governing in little over a year, and want to avoid hostages to fortune.Foxy said:FPT
It is indeed:williamglenn said:
AwkwardBig_G_NorthWales said:Labour cannot promise HS2 to Manchester says Starmer to the BBC
BBC News - Labour can not promise HS2 to Manchester - Keir Starmer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67016873
"No HS2 = no ambition for our country just when the whole world is looking at us. Now is a time to be AMBITIOUS! #GreatDecision"
https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1227259322540994560?t=fxoZLLpkWo5EM3TvDN4hhQ&s=19
It’s pretty much bad for the country for the Tories to announce sensible policies now, because they act of them announcing them could make them unpopular. I wouldn’t be that surprised if the Tories coming out against smoking doubles the number of smokers.
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In Andrew Teale’s as usual excellent by-election briefing on Rutherglen this little nugget:
Well, the good news for election watchers who like to stay up late for the count is that this result should come through quickly. The South Lanarkshire returning officer has for decades run one of the UK’s fastest counting teams, and Rutherglen and Hamilton West regularly returns the first Scottish result on general election night. In December 2019, the declaration here came at 01:24. We can expect no messing about this time either.
So given turnout will be lower than a GE we might get a result, or rumours of such, before lights out.2 -
I say it again. LAB by 10% so maj 3,000 on a 30,000 turnout (around 50% of the electorate)0
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I have - that's why the actual health of my teeth is, I am now assured, fine. Just ruing the impact of a few lax years at the wrong time.Luckyguy1983 said:
Get a sonic toothbrush - they're cheap now, you can pick one up for twenty quid online, and you'll be amazed at the improvement even if you think your teeth are past help.kle4 said:
True enough. My teeth look pretty bad (legacy of poor care in younger days), but I've got relatives whose currently look better yet are actually in a far more perilous state due to neglect. Ten years and the situation won't be close.williamglenn said:
DIY dentistry in the sense of looking after your own teeth is something we need more of. Seeing a dentist every six months can't make up for neglect the rest of the time.DecrepiterJohnL said:Supervised toothbrushing in schools under Labour plan to 'rescue' NHS dentistry
Labour leader Keir Starmer unveiled plans for an extra 700,000 emergency appointments to stop 'horror stories of DIY dentistry' after reports of patients yanking out their teeth
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/supervised-toothbrushing-schools-under-labour-311155711 -
If SLAB lose this it will be the worse expectations management of all time. They've effectively told everyone they're going to win this comfortably.0
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If LAB lose it will be even more devastating than Bermondsey 1983; it will be complete meltdown 1935. LAB will win tonight. I am much more confident LAB will win tonight than they get a majority GE 2024RandallFlagg said:If SLAB lose this it will be the worse expectations management of all time. They've effectively told everyone they're going to win this comfortably.
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What a plonkerRogertrent said:Calvin Robinson calling Sky News Sly News live on air to Mark Austin.
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RWC: In most sports, I don't much like watching teams or players who always win, win. At best, it's boring; at worst (football) the winners are arrogant childish pricks whose talent doesn't seem to stop them feeling the need to cheat whenever the opportunity arises.
But I bloody love watching New Zealand.]
Sure, NZ v Uruguay is a mismatch, and I have a lot of sympathy and admiration for the Uruguayans' pluck.
But NZ are just bloody brilliant. Sparkling and entertaining and by and large don't seem to be horrible people.0 -
It is not the job of the BOE to protect voters from the consequences of the government's stupid policies.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree. And being fair, all politicians, including Starmer, Reeves, and even right wing disruptors like Truss haven't tackled it. Truss's 3 conference speech themes were 'Drop the tax, cut the bills, build the homes' - 'stop the sell-off' was conspicuous by its absence. Perhaps Truss just doesn't want the reputational damage of picking a fight with the Bank after last time. John Redwood is the only senior politician I see fighting this fight.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The BOE have had a big part in this and not in a positive mannerLuckyguy1983 said:
I agree with that, it is the responsible thing to do, but you have to contrast this with the Chancellor (with, one assumes, Sunak's assent) continuing to enable the bizarre behaviour of the BOE by indemnifying their lunatic bond sell off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economicsCookie said:
But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the moneyAnabobazina said:
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/bank-of-england-bond-sales-creating-a-selling-gold-at-the-bottom-moment.htmlColumbia Threadneedle’s analysis suggests that the pace of bond sales is 70% faster than that of the U.S. Federal Reserve and around twice the rate of the European Central Bank.
“It’s unclear to us why the Bank has been so hasty. The fast pace of these sales has been pushing down on gilt prices, it’s been worsening the losses for the taxpayer, and worse, it crystallizes what would have been paper losses into a drain that the U.K. Treasury has to make good,” Mahon said.
“For markets, the pace of such hefty selling pressure by the U.K. central bank is in our view, one factor why gilts have struggled this year and struggled to find buyers.”
This potentially dwarves any fiscal spending commitments, and there's no return. It is literally national suicide, and no Government in its right mind would consent to it.0 -
I've wonderd about their total lack of expectation management, I believe they've used the term 'seismic'. It's got to the point that it'll be seismic if they don't win it comfortably.RandallFlagg said:If SLAB lose this it will be the worse expectations management of all time. They've effectively told everyone they're going to win this comfortably.
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Actually that is precisely it’s job.No_Offence_Alan said:
It is not the job of the BOE to protect voters from the consequences of the government's stupid policies.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree. And being fair, all politicians, including Starmer, Reeves, and even right wing disruptors like Truss haven't tackled it. Truss's 3 conference speech themes were 'Drop the tax, cut the bills, build the homes' - 'stop the sell-off' was conspicuous by its absence. Perhaps Truss just doesn't want the reputational damage of picking a fight with the Bank after last time. John Redwood is the only senior politician I see fighting this fight.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The BOE have had a big part in this and not in a positive mannerLuckyguy1983 said:
I agree with that, it is the responsible thing to do, but you have to contrast this with the Chancellor (with, one assumes, Sunak's assent) continuing to enable the bizarre behaviour of the BOE by indemnifying their lunatic bond sell off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economicsCookie said:
But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the moneyAnabobazina said:
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/bank-of-england-bond-sales-creating-a-selling-gold-at-the-bottom-moment.htmlColumbia Threadneedle’s analysis suggests that the pace of bond sales is 70% faster than that of the U.S. Federal Reserve and around twice the rate of the European Central Bank.
“It’s unclear to us why the Bank has been so hasty. The fast pace of these sales has been pushing down on gilt prices, it’s been worsening the losses for the taxpayer, and worse, it crystallizes what would have been paper losses into a drain that the U.K. Treasury has to make good,” Mahon said.
“For markets, the pace of such hefty selling pressure by the U.K. central bank is in our view, one factor why gilts have struggled this year and struggled to find buyers.”
This potentially dwarves any fiscal spending commitments, and there's no return. It is literally national suicide, and no Government in its right mind would consent to it.0 -
This is why a lot of people are disillusioned with politicians in general. Until the Tories cancelled it, Labout was giving the distinct impression they would build the leg to Manchester.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/1 -
This story has been around for some time so if anyone you care to name has not picked it up, chances are they never will. Or at least, not till their opponents say anything.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree. And being fair, all politicians, including Starmer, Reeves, and even right wing disruptors like Truss haven't tackled it. Truss's 3 conference speech themes were 'Drop the tax, cut the bills, build the homes' - 'stop the sell-off' was conspicuous by its absence. Perhaps Truss just doesn't want the reputational damage of picking a fight with the Bank after last time. John Redwood is the only senior politician I see fighting this fight.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The BOE have had a big part in this and not in a positive mannerLuckyguy1983 said:
I agree with that, it is the responsible thing to do, but you have to contrast this with the Chancellor (with, one assumes, Sunak's assent) continuing to enable the bizarre behaviour of the BOE by indemnifying their lunatic bond sell off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economicsCookie said:
But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the moneyAnabobazina said:
Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.algarkirk said:
Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/bank-of-england-bond-sales-creating-a-selling-gold-at-the-bottom-moment.htmlColumbia Threadneedle’s analysis suggests that the pace of bond sales is 70% faster than that of the U.S. Federal Reserve and around twice the rate of the European Central Bank.
“It’s unclear to us why the Bank has been so hasty. The fast pace of these sales has been pushing down on gilt prices, it’s been worsening the losses for the taxpayer, and worse, it crystallizes what would have been paper losses into a drain that the U.K. Treasury has to make good,” Mahon said.
“For markets, the pace of such hefty selling pressure by the U.K. central bank is in our view, one factor why gilts have struggled this year and struggled to find buyers.”
This potentially dwarves any fiscal spending commitments, and there's no return. It is literally national suicide, and no Government in its right mind would consent to it.0 -
I joked the other day that TSE has taken the reins just as the Campi Flegrei supervolcano started misbehaving.
It was a true comment, an earthquake swarm is ongoing and the ground west of Naples is moving day to day like a large slow-motion bouncy castle.
The civil emergencies minister has released £50m in funding to be spent over the next 90 days on surveys and emergency evacuation planning and drills.
The considered likely scenario is not that the supervolcano as such goes up, more like the 1538 creation of 123m Monte Nuovo as described here. I'm imagining it as sort of similar to a Surtsey (ed) type event, again likely to be around the settlement of Pozzuoli.
https://www.geo.mtu.edu/volcanoes/boris/mirror/mirrored_html/Montenuovo.html1 -
Previous declaration times for Rutherglen & Hamilton West.TimS said:In Andrew Teale’s as usual excellent by-election briefing on Rutherglen this little nugget:
Well, the good news for election watchers who like to stay up late for the count is that this result should come through quickly. The South Lanarkshire returning officer has for decades run one of the UK’s fastest counting teams, and Rutherglen and Hamilton West regularly returns the first Scottish result on general election night. In December 2019, the declaration here came at 01:24. We can expect no messing about this time either.
So given turnout will be lower than a GE we might get a result, or rumours of such, before lights out.
2019: 1:25am
2017: 1:12am
2015: 2:50am
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mVF_IPhgNgMar-oH3Q4XhWJnpVt4UiECLkFhDIXwZlY/edit?pli=1#gid=00 -
It's nonsense, of course.Andy_JS said:
This is why a lot of people are disillusioned with politicians in general. Until the Tories cancelled it, Labout was giving the distinct impression they would build the leg to Manchester.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
None of the land or legal powers even existed 10 years ago, and there's only so much disposal of land and contracts that can be done in 12 months, and he could still resurrect the bill even if the powers lapsed to reignite it.
He just doesn't want to.2 -
Starmers agrees onAndy_JS said:
This is why a lot of people are disillusioned with politicians in general. Until the Tories cancelled it, Labout was giving the distinct impression they would build the leg to Manchester.Cookie said:So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/
The triple lock
No to Scottish Independence
Scrapping HS2 to Manchester and investing in the North infrastructure
2 child benefit policy
Fiscal conservatism
Maybe others can add to this list0 -
Arrestable offence.Rogertrent said:Calvin Robinson calling Sky News Sly News live on air to Mark Austin.
https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1709718793566429342?s=200
