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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,153

    Our road capacity has been more than decimated relative to theirs, by the failure to invest in enough new roads.

    15% extra seems quite significant to me.

    Boost our roads by 15% and you'd free up plenty of space to reduce congestion and boost driving and cycling safely.
    15% looks small compared to the 50% you were talking about earlier. It's your own fault if you've created a false anchoring of the numbers by making them up.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,879
    edited August 2023

    Agree. Back in the late 60s, my state school PE teacher used to line us all up and walk down the line pulling our shorts forward at the waistband to 'check' that we weren't wearing underpants (which were not allowed under shorts, apparently). We were uncomfortable, but nobody complained.

    He would not get away with that these days, and probably wouldn't even try. Things have got better.
    One of my A level teachers was convicted for sexual assault, my school deputy chaplain was arrested for selling indecent videos in Germany and my prep school headmaster went to court accused of abusing boarders in dorms but was not convicted.

    All par for the course in prep schools and public schools for many a few decades ago, personally nothing ever happened to me and they were all pretty good teachers. It was just accepted at the time but isn't now in schools
  • The point is that Wales and Scotland add a lot more to the denominator of roads per square kilometer!

    To take an extreme example, you'll find that Norway has a far lower road density than the UK. That's not because Norway is crap at building roads; it's because Noway has a far lower population density than the UK. Similarly, the UK has a lower road density than the Netherlands because it has a lower population density than the Netherlands, not because the UK is crap at building roads compared to the Netherlands.
    Yes but they don't only add to the denominator. If they only added to the denominator and there was not a single road in the entirety of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland then our road density would be the same as the Netherlands - but that's quite obviously not the case.

    A quarter of the UK's roads are in Wales, Northern Ireland or Scotland, hence why English road density is 244. We have failed to invest in enough roads for decades - a mistake the Netherlands have not made.

    The Netherlands have invested in roads and cycle paths. That works. I don't know why pro-cycling people in this country oppose copying them with that?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,730

    They've moved on from windows. I guess even they were getting bored of that.

    Planes have windows maybe he fell out the plane window as it crashed
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,183

    Sky reporting private plane crash north of Moscow with Prigozhin on list of passengers

    What bad luck, and he had been so careful not to stand close to open windows.
  • DavidL said:

    I thought he was in Africa?
    Sky just said he was in Africa yesterday but confirm he is on the passenger list of this plane crash

    They add more details are awaited
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,251
    How is road density measured?

    Is it miles/km of road per person? If so, that could be enormously misleading if one place has lots of single lane roads, and the other has massive six lane highways.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,654
    Millions on waiting lists for essential treatment, and health professionals are pissing about performing womb transplants.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,087

    15% looks small compared to the 50% you were talking about earlier. It's your own fault if you've created a false anchoring of the numbers by making them up.
    Becoming something of a theme.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,115
    edited August 2023
    Eabhal said:

    Apparently there are over 1 million uninsured drivers too. Think that will just increase given the insurance premiums this year, which in turn increases the premiums next year.

    Might have a market failure on our hands.
    The police are at least still interested. Anything under 6 points these days and you really have to piss the copper off to be prosecuted.
  • What bad luck, and he had been so careful not to stand close to open windows.
    I was fully expecting him to accidentally ingest a kilogram of Polonium.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,577
    DavidL said:

    I thought he was in Africa?
    Someone evidently knew he wasn't.
  • Pagan2 said:

    And don't make it so cyclists are sharing paths with pedestrians. As a pedestrian I feel more in fear of being hit by a cyclist than a car though that is anecdotal as number of times been hit by a car = 0, number of times in collision with cyclists = 2
    I was nearly sent flying by a pair of cyclists on the pavement yesterday
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,730
    edited August 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    How is road density measured?

    Is it miles/km of road per person? If so, that could be enormously misleading if one place has lots of single lane roads, and the other has massive six lane highways.

    kms of road per 100 km^2 edit yes it would be better to do km^2 road surface per 100km^2
  • glwglw Posts: 10,349

    Sky reporting private plane crash north of Moscow with Prigozhin on list of passengers

    Straight to hell with any luck.
  • 15% looks small compared to the 50% you were talking about earlier. It's your own fault if you've created a false anchoring of the numbers by making them up.
    I said the road density was approximately 50% higher as I'd estimated it at 2xx vs 3xx

    The exact number once I sourced it was 36% higher, which is less than I estimated sure.

    The 15% is by deducting the population difference, though as I said there are efficiencies of scale for having more population so that's not entirely reasonable.

    Either way, we're significantly short of them. We should do what they've done and invest in roads and cycling paths - both of them!
  • Yes but they don't only add to the denominator. If they only added to the denominator and there was not a single road in the entirety of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland then our road density would be the same as the Netherlands - but that's quite obviously not the case.

    A quarter of the UK's roads are in Wales, Northern Ireland or Scotland, hence why English road density is 244. We have failed to invest in enough roads for decades - a mistake the Netherlands have not made.

    The Netherlands have invested in roads and cycle paths. That works. I don't know why pro-cycling people in this country oppose copying them with that?
    I'd be fine with copying the Netherlands, but we're a lot further behind them with cycling infrastructure than we are with road infrastructure.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,183
    Sandpit said:

    Err, nope. That’s far-left conspiracy theory that’s no better than far-right conspiracy theory.
    No, Jim is very, very religious and politically as mad as a march hare.

    For anyone who has followed his career he has been both a person of interest and he was not a number, he was a free man.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,654
    HYUFD said:

    One of my A level teachers was convicted for sexual assault, my school deputy chaplain was arrested for selling indecent videos in Germany and my prep school headmaster went to court accused of abusing boarders in dorms but was not convicted.

    All par for the course in prep schools and public schools for many a few decades ago, personally nothing ever happened to me and they were all pretty good teachers. It was just accepted at the time but isn't now in schools
    Attending a bog standard comprehensive school and being on the receiving end of the occasional punch wasn't so bad after all then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,475
    Caviezel was in that atrocious modern version of The Prisoner. Awful. He deserves admonishment for that alone
  • Russia’s aviation authority says Prigozhin was among the people aboard the plane shot down by Russian air defenses. Huge news

    https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1694397974774779918
  • eekeek Posts: 29,690
    DavidL said:

    The police are at least still interested. Anything under 6 points these days and you really have to piss the copper off to be prosecuted.
    You only have to watch the C5 police programs to see why people do it. The fines (usually a couple of £100) are way less than the typical cost of insurance - Eek twin A's renewal quote was £1100 up from £640..

    Actually found a deal for £500 but that disappeared almost instantly (thankfully I bought it there and then).
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,390
    DavidL said:

    I thought he was in Africa?
    He was, but seems that he is now deceased in Tver. Hard to feel much sympathy, and it just underlines that next time Putin will be disposed of before anyone makes a move.

    Things are heating up, and the ZSU are indeed making progress.
  • Millions on waiting lists for essential treatment, and health professionals are pissing about performing womb transplants.

    Not sure I agree with you on that one

    It is amazing that medical advances are able to do this, and may well lead to hope for some women who cannot have children at present
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,475

    Russia’s aviation authority says Prigozhin was among the people aboard the plane shot down by Russian air defenses. Huge news

    https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1694397974774779918

    Makes a change from falling out of a window.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,102
    Surely Wagner must be … majorly pissed off
  • I'd be fine with copying the Netherlands, but we're a lot further behind them with cycling infrastructure than we are with road infrastructure.
    Well that's my proposal I've been suggesting and @Eabhal has been knocking back.

    We need more roads and cycling infrastructure. The two go hand in hand, they're not enemies, the Dutch figured this out 50 years ago.

    Build entirely new roads and you can build dedicated cycle infrastructure from the start to go with it.

    Want to retrofit old roads? Build new roads to relieve car traffic (with cycle paths) and you can retrofit old roads to be more cycle friendly - which is two wins for cycles and 1 for cars.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,087

    I was nearly sent flying by a pair of cyclists on the pavement yesterday
    You should be grateful it wasn't a driver.

    Between 2005 and 2018, 542 pedestrians on pavements were killed by drivers. 6 by cyclists.
  • Terrible plane crash in Russia, I see. Highly coincidentally Prigozhin was on board. What are the chances?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,879

    Russia’s aviation authority says Prigozhin was among the people aboard the plane shot down by Russian air defenses. Huge news

    https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1694397974774779918

    Clearly the attempted Wagner coup didn't go down too well with Putin then
  • Russia’s aviation authority says Prigozhin was among the people aboard the plane shot down by Russian air defenses. Huge news

    https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1694397974774779918

    That is a big story
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,879
    Taz said:

    Caviezel was in that atrocious modern version of The Prisoner. Awful. He deserves admonishment for that alone

    He was excellent in the Passion of the Christ
  • Russia’s aviation authority says Prigozhin was among the people aboard the plane shot down by Russian air defenses. Huge news

    https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1694397974774779918

    They're admitting they shot it down? Not claiming an accident?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,115
    eek said:

    You only have to watch the C5 police programs to see why people do it. The fines (usually a couple of £100) are way less than the typical cost of insurance - Eek twin A's renewal quote was £1100 up from £640..

    Actually found a deal for £500 but that disappeared almost instantly (thankfully I bought it there and then).
    True but the premium will really rocket after a conviction like that. My JP pal told me that he added another year to the disqualification of a repeat offender today. I pointed out that he was simply creating future business for his court.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    Pagan2 said:

    I am not sure we actually want them to be highly intelligent. I have noticed highly intelligent folk often seem a) lacking in common sense b) have an innate blind spot to the fact because they are highly intelligent and knowledgeable on some subjects it does not make them knowledgeable about all subjects
    Well, judgement is more important than raw intelligence for a politician, but I do think we benefit if they have a certain level of swiftness of thought.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,855
    Claim the plane containing Prigozhin was actually shot down. Video here


    https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1694391345396257198
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,730

    Not sure I agree with you on that one

    It is amazing that medical advances are able to do this, and may well lead to hope for some women who cannot have children at present
    Should the nhs however not prioritize life saving operations? While I have sympathy for women who cant give birth they still have the option of motherhood by adoption or surrogacy....this strikes me as a want not a need
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited August 2023

    https://twitter.com/ehananoki/status/1383421963104788489?s=20 That's video of Caviezel "explaining" about adrenochrome. Are you saying that video is faked? Are you saying there's no QAnon adrenochrome conspiracy nonsense and Caviezel meant something else?
    He’s an actor, they’re all weirdos. The clips you show are very much out of context.

    Here’s an interview with Tim Ballard, the subject of the movie, who asserts that there’s an actual problem with sex trafficing from Mexico to the US. https://youtube.com/watch?v=UK3NWozQXdY
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,115
    eek said:

    You only have to watch the C5 police programs to see why people do it. The fines (usually a couple of £100) are way less than the typical cost of insurance - Eek twin A's renewal quote was £1100 up from £640..

    Actually found a deal for £500 but that disappeared almost instantly (thankfully I bought it there and then).
    True but the premium will really rocket after a conviction like that. My JP pal told me that he added another year to the disqualification of a repeat offender today.
    Cicero said:

    He was, but seems that he is now deceased in Tver. Hard to feel much sympathy, and it just underlines that next time Putin will be disposed of before anyone makes a move.

    Things are heating up, and the ZSU are indeed making progress.
    If you aim for the King you’d better not miss.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,087
    edited August 2023

    Well that's my proposal I've been suggesting and @Eabhal has been knocking back.

    We need more roads and cycling infrastructure. The two go hand in hand, they're not enemies, the Dutch figured this out 50 years ago.

    Build entirely new roads and you can build dedicated cycle infrastructure from the start to go with it.

    Want to retrofit old roads? Build new roads to relieve car traffic (with cycle paths) and you can retrofit old roads to be more cycle friendly - which is two wins for cycles and 1 for cars.
    I don't disagree in principle, it's just your solution is impossible unless you start knocking down swathes of our cities and towns (like we did in the 60s and 70s). A 1:1 ratio isn't going to work in most cases.

    If an A road goes through a town centre (eg Moray, Aberdeenshire) then go for it - a bypass could open up the High Street for pedestrianisation.

    Another point we disagree on is the "one more lane" philosophy, and the interaction of supply and demand.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423

    Sandpit was celebrating the success of “The Sound of Freedom”, a film starring, associated with and heavily promoted by Jim Caviezel.

    Promoting the film, Caviezel repeatedly spoke about how he is worried about “the adrenochroming of children.” That’s the QAnon conspiracy that Democrat politicians and Hollywood moguls are extracting blood from children under torture and in sacrifices to make a psychoactive drug, adrenochrome. Caviezel said: “Essentially, you have adrenaline in your body and when you are scared, you produce the adrenaline. … If a child knows he’s going to die, his body will secrete this adrenaline and they have a lot of terms that they use that he takes me through but it’s the worst horror I’ve seen. It’s screaming alone. Even if I never, ever, ever saw it, it’s beyond. And these people that do it, um, there will be no mercy for them.” He’s said the issue is “greater than” the Nuremberg trials.

    He's also said, “the storm is upon us”. The Storm is the moment when Donald Trump reveals that he’s been President all this time and orders mass arrests of the evil cabal of elites behind the child sex trafficking. He’s talked about "the Rothschild banks" and "a Rothschild pope" oppressing Christians. "I'm certainly not antisemitic," Caviezel told Steve Bannon in an interview. "The studios wouldn't hire me, but see they're all controlled by the central banks."

    Former co-workers have described Caviezel as abusing a dog on set; not wanting to shoot a scene on a production where his character rescues a gay couple; saying interracial relationships should be banned; and saying Hitler “had the right idea” but went “too far”. Another former colleague said, “Working with Jim, is like working with a puppy… If that puppy liked Hitler”.

    He's a decent actor in the right roles, I really liked Person of Interest, but he's clearly as mad as a balloon and a nasty piece of shit on top of that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,183
    HYUFD said:

    He was excellent in the Passion of the Christ
    He was excellent in Escape Plan too, but really, really horrible to Sly and Arnie.
  • kle4 said:

    "If you come at the king, you best not miss"
    And the Russians aren't even claiming an accident it seems. "We shot him down" is about as blatant as it gets.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,115
    kle4 said:

    "If you come at the king, you best not miss"
    Snap. Sorry didn’t see that until I refreshed
  • Eabhal said:

    You should be grateful it wasn't a driver.

    Between 2005 and 2018, 542 pedestrians on pavements were killed by drivers. 6 by cyclists.
    The road is quite separate and a distance from the pavement

    There is no excuse for their thoughtless behaviour
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423

    And the Russians aren't even claiming an accident it seems. "We shot him down" is about as blatant as it gets.
    The interesting question then becomes, why now? Hasn't Surovkin also been formally sacked today after disappearing after the mutiny?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited August 2023

    Russia’s aviation authority says Prigozhin was among the people aboard the plane shot down by Russian air defenses. Huge news

    https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1694397974774779918

    “Shot down by Russian air defences?”

    Okkaaayyyy.

    Well I guess the Wagner troops will all f. off back to Africa, and lead Putin to call up a few more random Russians for the meat grinder.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,654

    I was nearly sent flying by a pair of cyclists on the pavement yesterday
    Cyclists handing out free tickets for British Airways? Cool!


    Seriously - good to hear it was just a close shave.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,608
    Sandpit said:

    He’s an actor, they’re all weirdos. The clips you show are very much out of context.

    Here’s an interview with Tim Ballard, the subject of the movie, who asserts that there’s an actual problem with sex trafficing from Mexico to the US. https://youtube.com/watch?v=UK3NWozQXdY
    The clips aren't out of context. Provide me with the context that explains why he's talking about the "adrenochroming of children", or why he's talking about "a Rothschild pope".

    How does a different person talking about something else demonstrate that it's a "far-left conspiracy theory" to say that Caviezel endorses QAnon nonsense?

    Stop excusing QAnon nutters.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,299
    edited August 2023
    Eabhal said:

    I don't disagree in principle, it's just your solution is impossible unless you start knocking down swathes of our cities and towns (like we did in the 60s and 70s). A 1:1 ratio isn't going to work in most cases.

    If an A road goes through a town centre (eg Moray, Aberdeenshire) then go for it - a bypass could open up the High Street for pedestrianisation.

    Another point we disagree on is the "one more lane" philosophy, and the interaction of supply and demand.

    There's absolutely no reason to knock down swathes of towns and cities, the Dutch haven't done that.

    We can build on previously undeveloped land, there's plenty of it about. You can also build roads above existing roads too - plenty of that in the Netherlands too.

    That liberates traffic away from old roads and allows you to convert old land onto cycle paths - as well as allowing construction on the other side of the new roads. Which can be built in LTNs.

    "One more lane" is a myth. Based on looking at Los Angeles primarily and disregarding the fact that their population went from 4 million to 13 million in the same time period as London's went from 8 million to 9 million. LA effectively added the entire of Greater London's population as population growth so of course they needed extra capacity.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,087
    edited August 2023
    DavidL said:

    True but the premium will really rocket after a conviction like that. My JP pal told me that he added another year to the disqualification of a repeat offender today. I pointed out that he was simply creating future business for his court.
    The police weren't able to prosecute the driver who knocked my girlfriend off her bike, but the officer she spoke to said the punishment via the insurance premiums would be far more punitive than anything the court would hand down.

    He was kinda right - the driver failed to respond to the insurer and has been added to some sort of blacklist. Girlfriend got a payout by default.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,730

    The road is quite separate and a distance from the pavement

    There is no excuse for their thoughtless behaviour
    In the second incident for collisions by cyclists I had he came round a blind corner on the pavement doing about 30. Hit my sons pushchair catapaulting it onto the dual carriageway a4 that runs through slough where the speed limit is 40....luckily my 1 year old son wasn't in it as he had been being fussy so I was carrying him.....so yes I might be biassed
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,913
    edited August 2023
    kle4 said:

    "If you come at the king, you best not miss"
    Was there much evidence Prigozhin was still alive? The surprising thing is that he lasted this long.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,087

    The road is quite separate and a distance from the pavement

    There is no excuse for their thoughtless behaviour
    There isn't, of course. Nor one for the hundreds of people killed by drivers.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,087

    There's absolutely no reason to knock down swathes of towns and cities, the Dutch haven't done that.

    We can build on previously undeveloped land, there's plenty of it about. You can also build roads above existing roads too - plenty of that in the Netherlands too.

    That liberates traffic away from old roads and allows you to convert old land onto cycle paths - as well as allowing construction on the other side of the new roads. Which can be built in LTNs.

    "One more lane" is a myth. Based on looking at Los Angeles primarily and disregarding the fact that their population went from 4 million to 13 million in the same time period as London's went from 8 million to 9 million. LA effectively added the entire of Greater London's population as population growth so of course they needed extra capacity.
    I don't think using LA as an example is going to do you any favours.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Attending a bog standard comprehensive school and being on the receiving end of the occasional punch wasn't so bad after all then.
    You obviously didn't get the grooming and polishing to make you posh, though.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,654
    eek said:

    You only have to watch the C5 police programs to see why people do it. The fines (usually a couple of £100) are way less than the typical cost of insurance - Eek twin A's renewal quote was £1100 up from £640..

    Actually found a deal for £500 but that disappeared almost instantly (thankfully I bought it there and then).
    One lad actually told the police exactly that when they nabbed him. He was making a rational choice to minimise his cost of motoring by not buying insurance for clapped out bangers and being repeatedly fined.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    More like YevGONEy Prigozhin
    @OzKaterji
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,132
    Pagan2 said:

    Should the nhs however not prioritize life saving operations? While I have sympathy for women who cant give birth they still have the option of motherhood by adoption or surrogacy....this strikes me as a want not a need
    The Womb transplant wasn't paid for by the NHS.

    "Both underwent counselling before surgery, and their case was reviewed and approved by the Human Tissue Authority. The NHS costs, estimated at £25,000, were paid for by the charity Womb Transplant UK. More than 30 staff involved on the day gave their time for free.

    Prof Smith, who is Chairman of Womb Transplant UK, said the team had been authorised to carry out a total of 15 transplants - five with live donors and 10 with deceased, brain-dead donors - but would need another £300,000 to pay for all the procedures."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66514270
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,299
    edited August 2023
    Eabhal said:

    I don't think using LA as an example is going to do you any favours.
    I'm saying LA is not an example. Since nowhere in the UK has experienced population growth of 9 million people.

    But its the one claimed by those who believe in the "one more lane" myth.
  • Cyclists handing out free tickets for British Airways? Cool!


    Seriously - good to hear it was just a close shave.
    With my restricted mobility it was very worrying and frankly unacceptable
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,730
    Foxy said:

    The Womb transplant wasn't paid for by the NHS.

    "Both underwent counselling before surgery, and their case was reviewed and approved by the Human Tissue Authority. The NHS costs, estimated at £25,000, were paid for by the charity Womb Transplant UK. More than 30 staff involved on the day gave their time for free.

    Prof Smith, who is Chairman of Womb Transplant UK, said the team had been authorised to carry out a total of 15 transplants - five with live donors and 10 with deceased, brain-dead donors - but would need another £300,000 to pay for all the procedures."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66514270
    Which is not what sandy implied. I assumed he meant it was an nhs thing
  • NEW THREAD

  • Eabhal said:

    There isn't, of course. Nor one for the hundreds of people killed by drivers.
    It's weird how it is simply accepted that pedestrians will inevitably be killed in their hundreds by drivers, but the idea that a pedestrian might be hurt by a cyclist sparks outrage.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,608
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    Sandpit said:

    He’s an actor, they’re all weirdos. The clips you show are very much out of context.

    Here’s an interview with Tim Ballard, the subject of the movie, who asserts that there’s an actual problem with sex trafficing from Mexico to the US. https://youtube.com/watch?v=UK3NWozQXdY
    You want to talk about Tim Ballard? https://www.insider.com/sound-of-freedom-tim-ballard-qanon-medicare-fraud-2023-7
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
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    The clips aren't out of context. Provide me with the context that explains why he's talking about the "adrenochroming of children", or why he's talking about "a Rothschild pope".

    How does a different person talking about something else demonstrate that it's a "far-left conspiracy theory" to say that Caviezel endorses QAnon nonsense?

    Stop excusing QAnon nutters.
    You’re taking about an actor. Should I not see Top Gun or Mission Impossible, because Tom Cruise is also a total religious fruitcake?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,154
    Pagan2 said:

    I am not sure we actually want them to be highly intelligent. I have noticed highly intelligent folk often seem a) lacking in common sense b) have an innate blind spot to the fact because they are highly intelligent and knowledgeable on some subjects it does not make them knowledgeable about all subjects
    And since you have noticed that, then you cannot be highly intelligent.

    Conversely if you are, then you must be lacking in common sense and possessing blind spots.

    :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    Sandpit said:

    .

    You’re taking about an actor. Should I not see Top Gun or Mission Impossible, because Tom Cruise is also a total religious fruitcake?
    Of course you should, they're good movies, but your follow up was excusing his comments by claiming them as out of context when I cannot really see what context would help.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,654
    Carnyx said:

    You obviously didn't get the grooming and polishing to make you posh, though.
    Thank feck for that!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,585

    Millions on waiting lists for essential treatment, and health professionals are pissing about performing womb transplants.

    I initially thought this but apparently it was funded by a charity and all staff gave their time for free on a Sunday when the operating theatre was empty.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,154
    HYUFD said:

    He was excellent in the Passion of the Christ
    He nailed it

    :):):)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,087
    148grss said:

    But conspiracy theories are ways of explaining away intracommunity problems: ie how does the right contend with the FACT that the vast amount of child abuse comes from the institutions they hold most dear? (the family and the church). They create a complicated web of demon worshipping rich people on the left who are secretly all child abusers (oh and they commit the exact same rituals as blood libel, and the main guy we talk about is Jewish).

    If you spend time looking at the rare instances of a rich Jewish guy doing this that feeds in to all the conspiracy stuff, rather than discussing the overarching patriarchal reasons for child sexual abuse and really the majority if all sexual abuse - I think it is reasonable to question why.

    So to your original position of “this anti woke song and anti woke film are based, actually” begs the question: why should those things that titillate and fascinate and scratch that impulse to codify the conspiratorial myth be celebrated when they exist as a projection to ignore the real issue?

    The holocaust joke level joke about Rotherham was the “this isn’t the establishment conspiracy we were looking for” stuff from certain people
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,780
    Sandpit said:

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    You’re taking about an actor. Should I not see Top Gun or Mission Impossible, because Tom Cruise is also a total religious fruitcake?
    My view is that you shouldn't see Top Gun or Mission Impossible or any other film with Tom Cruise in it because he's a really annoying actor who plays exactly the same character in all his films.
    Actually, there's no real problem with an actor playing the same character in all his films. Arguably Michael Caine did it. But it was quite a good character. Tom Cruise's character is really annoying.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    edited August 2023
    Cookie said:

    My view is that you shouldn't see Top Gun or Mission Impossible or any other film with Tom Cruise in it because he's a really annoying actor who plays exactly the same character in all his films.
    Actually, there's no real problem with an actor playing the same character in all his films. Arguably Michael Caine did it. But it was quite a good character. Tom Cruise's character is really annoying.

    Many historic actors played basically the same role in most of their films. Gary Oldman types with great range are actually pretty rare.

    And it's not even true in Cruise's case that he cannot play different characters. His character in Edge of Tomorrow was not at all like his character in Oblivion, despite both being sci-fi action movies made close together for example. Neither was like his roles in Tropic Thunder or Collateral, to pick two of his more off type roles.

    Does he excercise his range enough? Opinions will differ, an argument can be made he sticks to formula a lot of the time as that's his brand. But he definitely has range.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,154
    edited August 2023
    kle4 said:

    Many historic actors played basically the same role in most of their films. Gary Oldman types with great range are actually pretty rare.

    And it's not even true in Cruise's case that he cannot play different characters. His character in Edge of Tomorrow was not at all like his character in Oblivion, despite both being sci-fi action movies made close together for example. Neither was like his roles in Tropic Thunder or Collateral, to pick two of his more off type roles.

    Does he excercise his range enough? Opinions will differ, an argument can be made he sticks to formula a lot of the time as that's his brand. But he definitely has range.
    Born on the Fourth of July. Minority Report. Lions for Lambs. Interview With A Vampire. War Of The Worlds. Yes, he has range.
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