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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Miklosvar said:

    LOL at story on sky currently

    NEEDS LEGALLING Whistleblowing doctor accuses hospital management of 'potentially facilitating a mass murderer'

    Bloody right it does

    No joke trying to whistleblow, either, as a general principle.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/02/nhs-whistleblowers-need-to-be-better-protected-by-the-law-says-bma
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063
    So out of character.

    In sum, Mr Trump has not provided a single reason for the court to find that there is a likelihood that he will succeed on appeal, let alone a 'strong showing. Accordingly, this factor weighs against Mr Trump.

    It's clear many judges are getting frustrated. He waited 3 years to raise a particular defence, then another 7 months before seeking to stay the case on that basis, which as the judge notes means any harm done is his own doing.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,838

    We don't need to replace the £5 with a coin, which would be of much bigger value than the largest coins in most (all?) other countries - particularly at a time when cash is going out of fashion anyway.

    But we should withdraw pennies and twopences from circulation.
    For some reason I misread that was "we should withdraw penises".

    Maybe it's the cumulative effect of the transgender debate.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    Chris said:

    For some reason I misread that was "we should withdraw penises".

    Maybe it's the cumulative effect of the transgender debate.
    Nah, just a cockup.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    Scott_xP said:

    You can purchase a device that lives on your keyring and liberates the trolley without depositing the coin...
    Ah ha. Well if that costs 99p or less I'm in. But I'd keep it in the car rather than carry it on my person.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    dixiedean said:

    I'd go for 5p too.
    They are so tiny.
    Ridiculously so.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    ...
    kinabalu said:

    Ah ha. Well if that costs 99p or less I'm in. But I'd keep it in the car rather than carry it on my person.
    39p in Home Bargains, rampant inflation notwithstanding.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063
    ydoethur said:

    Nah, just a cockup.
    That's neutered that theory.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,153
    edited August 2023
    TimS said:

    A new improved political compass, in the binary letter-combo style of Myers Briggs. Covering the 6 principal faultlines in British politics and ideology (or at least on PB):

    Like Myers-Briggs, a forced preference - you have to fall on one side or other rather than claiming to be in the centre or that it depends.

    1. Economics, which instead of left vs right I would define as socialised vs market. The extremes on each side being freewheeling market fundamentalism and communism, but in Britain more a case of believing in more or less state intervention in the economy:

    S = socialised
    M = market

    2. Social and identity politics: traditionalist/authoritarian vs liberal. Are you woke or anti-woke? Should we topple statues of slavers? Do we need a lavatory tsar and so on.

    W = woke
    A = anti-woke

    3. Green politics: are you an eco-warrior who wants us all on our bikes, stopping drilling in the North Sea and installing heat pumps, or are you a petrolhead who upholds everyone's right to keep 3 gas guzzlers in the cul-de-sac, thinks LTNs are the spawn of the devil, and wonders if the climate crisis stuff isn't just a tad overwrought.

    E = eco-warrior
    P = petrolhead

    4. Nimby vs Yimby. Should we concrete over the green belt and build build build because the country needs infrastructure, or protect what remains of our green and pleasant land?

    N = nimby
    Y = yimby

    5. Russia and Ukraine: are you a hawk or a dove? Do you despair of keyboard toy soldiers bloodthirstily escalating until the last Ukrainian / global thermonuclear war, and understand Russia's historical concerns on NATO expansion and the rights of Russian speakers in Donbas? Or do you see Putin as a fascist thug who must be defeated to avoid greater problems down the line?

    D = dove
    H = hawk

    6. Brexit or remain. In or out?

    B = Brexit
    R = remain [rejoin]

    As of today I am MWEYHR, although a couple of those are marginal (S/M and N/Y).

    Interesting compass test. Doubt my answers would surprise anyone.

    M W P Y H B

    Though I am also a strong environmentalist so could have gone E, if the alternative had been a climate change denialist I would have unequivocally gone E. I want to see the end of petrol cars, and a transition to clean electric instead - but I am not anti-car, I'm just anti-pollution which is completely different. So E/P is the only one I could have gone either with.

    EDIT:


    I liked this because I think it's useful to think about politics in different ways, but Myer-Briggs is a really bad model to use. Also I don't think you'd find many woke petrolheads ...

    Erm ... 🙋‍♂️
  • David Cameron through his arrogance made some significant errors, but compared to Johnson he was a Titan.

    Truss's mis-steps caused a significant but relatively short lived fiscal event, but Johnson drove a coach and horses through parliamentary rules and etiquettes. By promoting some of the most appalling Charlatans ever to cross the threshold of the Palace of Westminster he has changed British politics for the worst and possibly forever. He threw his weight behind leaving the EU, knowing that it would be a disaster for the nation, but understanding it may be his best opportunity to climb the greasy pole. The lies, the corruption, he and his fellow travellers were truly awful. By comparison Cameron was one of Britain's all time greats.
    BoJo emulates the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo; two Putinists from same rotten pod.

    Fact that Johnson emerged at the Defender of Kyiv just demonstrates flexibility of practical Putinism; similar to Trump trying to work both side of the RUS v UKR war.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    kle4 said:

    That's neutered that theory.
    On circumcistantial grounds, presumably.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    ydoethur said:

    You do know they'll let you have tokens for that, don't you?

    Mind you, some buggers charge a couple of quid for them.
    I do now thanks to this forum. But given its permanent place in my car (following the aforementioned flash of brilliance) I'd say the pukka £1 coin is better for me unless a token comes in under that price (which it sounds like they don't).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,926
    World cup winner

    Spain 1.99 / 2
    England 2/ 2.02

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.193885918
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Interesting compass test. Doubt my answers would surprise anyone.

    M W P Y H B

    Though I am also a strong environmentalist so could have gone E, if the alternative had been a climate change denialist I would have unequivocally gone E. I want to see the end of petrol cars, and a transition to clean electric instead - but I am not anti-car, I'm just anti-pollution which is completely different. So E/P is the only one I could have gone either with.
    Ha, a fun exercise.

    M A P Y H B

    For me, which is why you and I agree on nearly everything but the woke stuff.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570
    kinabalu said:

    Ah ha. Well if that costs 99p or less I'm in. But I'd keep it in the car rather than carry it on my person.
    When we bought a car from Arnold Clarke, the fob on the keyring could be used for supermarket trollies.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    ...

    Interesting compass test. Doubt my answers would surprise anyone.

    M W P Y H B

    Though I am also a strong environmentalist so could have gone E, if the alternative had been a climate change denialist I would have unequivocally gone E. I want to see the end of petrol cars, and a transition to clean electric instead - but I am not anti-car, I'm just anti-pollution which is completely different. So E/P is the only one I could have gone either with.
    So that's 5/6 right. Although if weighted by this government, getting Woke/Anti-woke wrong would be weighted as a big fail.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    We don't need to replace the £5 with a coin, which would be of much bigger value than the largest coins in most (all?) other countries - particularly at a time when cash is going out of fashion anyway.

    But we should withdraw pennies and twopences from circulation.
    I thought 1 and 2 'p's had already gone? Not something I've seen for a long long time.
  • kle4 said:

    I will forever remain baffled by the resistance to doing so. We've done it before when denominations became worthless and inconvenient, do so again!
    Chief objection to doing away with 1-cent coin in USA appears to be the idea, that stores and others sellers will round UP prices whenever they end in a odd number of cents.

    Reinforcing notion that ANY change in coinage (and also paper money) will inevitably screw the little guy and benefit the fat cat.

    My guess is psychology is similar - if not identical - in UK?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570
    dixiedean said:

    I'd go for 5p too.
    They are so tiny.
    They didn't used to be. Bring back proper Shillings!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,288

    How many institutions wouldn't respond as this hospital did, in worrying more about how it would look than about the necessity to call in the police to conduct an investigation?
    No doubt Cyclefree would advise that they anyone thinking that way should worry about how it might look if they fail to investigate, and it later comes to light that was a grievous error of judgment.

    It's human nature to hope that bad news isn't true - but those who have a investigative role in the organisation need to know how to perform it.
    I was an unpaid school governor, and knew that, FFS.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    My wife bought a little metal disc that fits onto her keyring that's the same size and shape as a pound coin for that purpose. It cost her £1. But she did buy it from a charity.
    That sounds good. Everyone a winner there.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    edited August 2023
    Sandpit said:

    Ha, a fun exercise.

    M A P Y H B

    For me, which is why you and I agree on nearly everything but the woke stuff.
    Congratulations, 6/6! Join the Conservative Party (UK) parliamentary candidates shortlist with immediate effect.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,538
    Carnyx said:

    Game (on checking, not poacher's) pocket = large waterproof pocket in a dangling flap inside Barbour oiled canvas jacket for placing dead pheasants, roadkill, remains of sadistic outings, etc.

    https://www.bestinthecountry.co.uk/barbour-buyers-guide

    Z88 = laptop computer equivalent of Sinclair C5 and made by the same brand
    Coincidentally 1988 was the year I bought two Mac II's for £2k each. As I've ruefully observed ever since, if I'd bought £4k worth of Apple stock instead I wouldn't have had to work for the last 35 years.
  • Carnyx said:

    What was the other hand used for, I have to ask? Scratching the nether regions?
    Opening doors? Or perhaps you prefer kicking, or perhaps head-butting them into submission!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,111

    They didn't used to be. Bring back proper Shillings!
    'Proper shilllings' were almost exactly the same size as modern 10p pieces, so the latter would need increasing in size too - though that could be done in a redesign if they were 'reduced' to 'coppers'.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,153
    edited August 2023

    ...

    So that's 5/6 right. Although if weighted by this government, getting Woke/Anti-woke wrong would be weighted as a big fail.
    For me I'd rate this government as:

    S A P N H B

    And since I think the final one is a non-issue (its done, move on already), I disagree with it on a majority, three out of five, which kind of explains why I'm disillusioned and not voting for it.

    I don't think A/W is a big issue in this country, not as big as people make out sometimes, but in America I would absolutely and wholeheartedly be a Democrat at the moment in no small part because of it. And because the GOP are batshit crazy for supporting criminals who want to overturn democracy, but I supported the Democrats already even before then.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,274
    SWENDR.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,471

    Congratulations, 6/6! Join the Conservative Party (UK) parliamentary candidates shortlist with immediate effect.
    Unless you're standing somewhere in the green belt in which case adjust to MAPNHB
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,111

    BoJo emulates the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo; two Putinists from same rotten pod.

    Fact that Johnson emerged at the Defender of Kyiv just demonstrates flexibility of practical Putinism; similar to Trump trying to work both side of the RUS v UKR war.
    Britain (and Ukraine and Europe) were fortunate at that point that Johnson has always emotionally wanted to be Churchill.

    We have been less fortunate in that same Johnsonian aspiration at other times.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    Interesting compass test. Doubt my answers would surprise anyone.

    M W P Y H B

    Though I am also a strong environmentalist so could have gone E, if the alternative had been a climate change denialist I would have unequivocally gone E. I want to see the end of petrol cars, and a transition to clean electric instead - but I am not anti-car, I'm just anti-pollution which is completely different. So E/P is the only one I could have gone either with.

    Not much love for the N option on here then. Seems to be universal Ys. I smell a rat.
  • .

    Congratulations, 6/6! Join the Conservative Party (UK) parliamentary candidates shortlist with immediate effect.
    The modern Conservative Party is YIMBY?

    Or supports market economics?

    I don't think so.

    The modern Conservative Party is NIMBY and supports high tax socialism, just a warped version of socialism where those in work support those who aren't working regardless of whether they need it or not. Even if those working are poor, and are supporting those not working who are rich.

    Rather than traditional socialism where those with money support those without it.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    Dear PBers,
    I am planning to take a visitor from Cambridge to somewhere on the coast. All of East Anglia and Essex look (roughly) similar distances. Could anyone recommend a particularly nice bit to visit? Goals are a) beauty b) interest c) old villages and pubs.
    Having never been to the coastline on the rump of England I'm at a bit of a loss.

    Just back from North Norfolk coast on holiday. Very impressed. Pretty villages with buildings lined with flint, interesting coastal creeks, village pubs aplenty.

    Suggested route from Cambridge. A14, then A11, then North on A1065 via RAF Lakenheath (fighter jets including visitor area) and a restored Cromwell tank memorial north of Ickburgh. Then B1355 north to Burnham Market. Then East along coastal road through Holkham (park/hall/beach), Wells, and the small fishing villages of Stiffkey, Morston, Blakeney and Cley (windmill and shingle beach). Then back via Langham (WW2 gunnery practice dome), Binham (small abbey), Walsingham (very holy!)

    Tip: Park at Cley beach for £3 and get a £3.50 voucher for the Norfolk Wildlife Trust cafe overlooking the wetlands a mile inland.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,471
    edited August 2023

    SWENDR.

    Trips off the tongue, that. Hey, big swendr.

    I would have @NickPalmer down as your fellow Swendr. Or possibly a Sweydr.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    SWENDR.

    That's more like it. Bit of variety at last.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,051
    dixiedean said:

    I'd go for 5p too.
    They are so tiny.
    Or we could re-baseline the value of the pound 10:1

    Sets us up to manage inflation for the next century.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,257
    Lucy Letby has been found guilty of seven murders.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,849
    Carnyx said:

    Game (on checking, not poacher's) pocket = large waterproof pocket in a dangling flap inside Barbour oiled canvas jacket for placing dead pheasants, roadkill, remains of sadistic outings, etc.

    https://www.bestinthecountry.co.uk/barbour-buyers-guide

    Z88 = laptop computer equivalent of Sinclair C5 and made by the same brand
    The Z88 was an amazing computer: great battery life (off AAs!), fantastic form factor (it's A4, and it wasn't distracting because it didn't put a screen up between you and whoever you're talking to), and a silent keyboard.

    I used one for note taking well into the 2000s.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570

    'Proper shilllings' were almost exactly the same size as modern 10p pieces, so the latter would need increasing in size too - though that could be done in a redesign if they were 'reduced' to 'coppers'.
    Yes - back to the size they used to be too!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,051

    'Proper shilllings' were almost exactly the same size as modern 10p pieces, so the latter would need increasing in size too - though that could be done in a redesign if they were 'reduced' to 'coppers'.
    (Old) 5ps were designed to replace shillings and 10p as two-bob.

    I've got a vague memory of someone accepting one in Scotland in a bric-a-brac shop in the 1990s in lieu of 10p (one had slipped into my wallet and looked basically exactly the same) but I can't believe they were still legal tender then.

    Maybe he took as a souvenir or to exchange at the bank.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Now I don't really see the purpose of cash...unless like I did on Wednesday one leaves their wallet at home and has no means of paying for the fuel required to return home. Fortunately I had my phone with my mobile banking app, and I could arrange an emergency cash code to use at a cashpoint. Other than that, cash, why bother?
    Why didn't you just pay with ApplePay or GooglePay with your phone?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    rcs1000 said:

    The Z88 was an amazing computer: great battery life (off AAs!), fantastic form factor (it's A4, and it wasn't distracting because it didn't put a screen up between you and whoever you're talking to), and a silent keyboard.

    I used one for note taking well into the 2000s.
    Early 2000s I had an old Psion 5 for note taking. Brilliant little thing. I still miss BlackBerry’s proper keyboards.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570
    Am I the only SAENHB in the PB Village?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,771
    edited August 2023
    Afternoon, all.

    Short visit to the hospital, and the treatment seems to be doing well. I'll be going for the actual treatment called Cladribine (4 doses), which according to BNF costs ~£160 per dose as an injection or infusion, but ~£2050 per dose as a tablet for the same active ingredient quantity. Pharmaceuticals !

    Also a short visit to to Morrisons, about which I am not hopeful. Range and personal service are decreasing - noted from the range of products in the delicatessen ("that is now on the shelves, over there - in packs of twelve", and they have stopped selling Grape Nuts - gah!). It's going to be much more nearly the same as the rest, as happened to Citroen.

    The vertical integration is also in question, which imo is the Morrisons great distinctive. Manufacturing plants are under question, according to staff, but apparently not the close integration farming (yet? I'm not sure if Morrisons own actual farms.).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,849
    viewcode said:

    They were replaced by go-bags which can be carried. Briefcases were for the days when info was on paper. They were big enough for a pad of paper, pens, ruler, rubber, calculator

    Then laptops came in, and big manbags were the vogue, big enuf for a chunky pre-Lenovo ThinkPad, adapter, mice, disc drives, etc

    Then laptops got thin and sipped electricity like a little mouse, so you could throw a laptop into a go-bag and go to school, uni or work, doing work on the train[1] at need

    [1] If you were posh and travelled on nice trains by first class during the daytime when its less crowded. If you are not posh and travel on cattle-truck class on craptrains at night when evil fuckers abound, it is less possible. I hate trains.
    What's a Go Bag? I'm a backpack man, myself.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,771
    edited August 2023

    They didn't used to be. Bring back proper Shillings!
    What are sixpences worth? I have a box of those.
  • Just back from North Norfolk coast on holiday. Very impressed. Pretty villages with buildings lined with flint, interesting coastal creeks, village pubs aplenty.

    Suggested route from Cambridge. A14, then A11, then North on A1065 via RAF Lakenheath (fighter jets including visitor area) and a restored Cromwell tank memorial north of Ickburgh. Then B1355 north to Burnham Market. Then East along coastal road through Holkham (park/hall/beach), Wells, and the small fishing villages of Stiffkey, Morston, Blakeney and Cley (windmill and shingle beach). Then back via Langham (WW2 gunnery practice dome), Binham (small abbey), Walsingham (very holy!)

    Tip: Park at Cley beach for £3 and get a £3.50 voucher for the Norfolk Wildlife Trust cafe overlooking the wetlands a mile inland.
    Agreed....and note that Binham Priory has an excellent cafe and shop which sells its own fresh milk. Also Holkham Beach is widely acknowledged as one of the best in Europe.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,257

    Interesting compass test. Doubt my answers would surprise anyone.

    M W P Y H B

    Though I am also a strong environmentalist so could have gone E, if the alternative had been a climate change denialist I would have unequivocally gone E. I want to see the end of petrol cars, and a transition to clean electric instead - but I am not anti-car, I'm just anti-pollution which is completely different. So E/P is the only one I could have gone either with.

    EDIT: Erm ... 🙋‍♂️
    M A P Y H B, in my case.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,288
    This is starting to become a daily occurrence @realDonaldTrump . Thx for spelling my name right today and appreciate the feedback on my book “GOP 2.0”. Let me know which courtroom to send you an autographed copy to.
    https://twitter.com/GeoffDuncanGA/status/1692516059717210385
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,153
    edited August 2023
    PJH said:

    On the other hand, if you lose your phone, you can use cash to pay for everything while you get a new one and get everything set up again (which, as I discovered takes a few days) and it's much easier to get hold of more cash if needed than another phone.
    My wallet lives in a cupboard at home, like my passport. I don't take it out unless I expect to need it, and its there for emergency backup then if I do. All I ever use is my phone.

    But replacing a phone can be a lot easier than replacing either your cash or your cards in your wallet.

    A few weeks ago while out I dropped my phone, normally nowadays they just bounced but it landed on a rock and smashed the screen. When I got home, I took an old phone out of the cupboard, charged it, then started using it. Got my Samsung Pay and Curve apps which is what I use for payment switched over, and was all done within minutes. No waiting for a replacement card to be delivered.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    ...

    Lucy Letby deserves to spend the rest of her life in jail but I'm not sure I like this slightly crowing release of footage of the cops knicking her at home.

    All feels rather voyeuristic.

    Yes, we didn't, as I recall see Wayne Cousins nicked did we?

    There's going to be a rerun of the pole dancing in Sunday's Sun too, isn't there?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,932
    MattW said:

    What are sixpences worth? I have a box of those.
    There's a niche market for them amongst Brian May guitar wannabes: he uses them as plectrums.
  • Question for PB: should people like Letby not be afforded anonymity for life?

    And indeed, why are the names of criminals publicly available, what good does it serve?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063

    Lucy Letby deserves to spend the rest of her life in jail but I'm not sure I like this slightly crowing release of footage of the cops knicking her at home.

    All feels rather voyeuristic.

    I don't really see what purpose it served, other than to show even when nicking a suspected serial killer the copper was considerate enough to say she'd shift the front seat forward a bit, but it didn't feel particularly exploitative or voyeuristic of the dreadful affair either.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    rcs1000 said:

    The Z88 was an amazing computer: great battery life (off AAs!), fantastic form factor (it's A4, and it wasn't distracting because it didn't put a screen up between you and whoever you're talking to), and a silent keyboard.

    I used one for note taking well into the 2000s.
    Exactly what I used it for: in the university library, often en route to or from my office. The shallow screen didn't matter for that, and the data and notes transferred OK to my desktop by cable and software prog. It also felt safer in a pocket or rucksack than a briefcase in the darker evenings.

    Street cred = very low, but not as low as a C5, and it did the job!
  • My wallet lives in a cupboard at home, like my passport. I don't take it out unless I expect to need it, and its there for emergency backup then if I do. All I ever use is my phone.

    But replacing a phone can be a lot easier than replacing either your cash or your cards in your wallet.

    A few weeks ago while out I dropped my phone, normally nowadays they just bounced but it landed on a rock and smashed the screen. When I got home, I took an old phone out of the cupboard, charged it, then started using it. Got my Samsung Pay and Curve apps which is what I use for payment switched over, and was all done within minutes. No waiting for a replacement card to be delivered.
    With my bank, you can get a virtual card and you can use that to get money out even if the card is lost.

    In the US and some UK places you can get cash out (I've not used it but my uncle did the other day) with contactless.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,771
    edited August 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    What's a Go Bag? I'm a backpack man, myself.
    One version of a Go-Bag is the kit the prepper has by the door to grab for survival in the woods when the WEF take over.

    Leon probably has one, but with enough kit to reach a Boutique Hotel on the shores of Lake Minniewanka.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,926

    Question for PB: should people like Letby not be afforded anonymity for life?

    And indeed, why are the names of criminals publicly available, what good does it serve?

    I think you're just trying to wind people up with questions like this. But I'm also going to annoy right-wing populists by saying I think that a lot of people who are currently in jail should probably be in mental health facilities instead.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,926

    Lucy Letby deserves to spend the rest of her life in jail but I'm not sure I like this slightly crowing release of footage of the cops knicking her at home.

    All feels rather voyeuristic.

    Agree 100%.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,051
    Sean_F said:

    M A P Y H B, in my case.
    Same
  • Question for PB: should people like Letby not be afforded anonymity for life?

    And indeed, why are the names of criminals publicly available, what good does it serve?

    Just must be seen to be delivered, and to be fair.

    Imagine if people could be prosecuted and imprisoned, with no public record or information as to who was imprisoned and why?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867

    'Proper shilllings' were almost exactly the same size as modern 10p pieces, so the latter would need increasing in size too - though that could be done in a redesign if they were 'reduced' to 'coppers'.
    You have seen the original copper pennies after they changed from silver, surely?

    They weren't called 'cartwheels' for nothing.

    https://www.historicenvironment.scot/archives-and-research/archives-and-collections/properties-in-care-collections/object/george-iii-cartwheel-penny-1797-18th-century-48186
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,786
    edited August 2023
    SWENHR.

    But I think my positions are mutually exclusive. For S/M and N/Y "it depends".
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    I have recently been forced to use cash for the first time in ten years because I went on holiday to countries outside the EU/Schengen where it was still common for places not to accept cards. It was a right palaver and pain in the arse. On one day, the only ATM in the town we were staying in just stopped working, for no good reason, so we had to take a cab to the next village, then have the driver park illegally, while I ran – literally ran – to the ATM on the pedestrianised seafront and back in 30c heat just to withdraw some paper money.

    In another case, we went to a great wine bar that was sited on a floating platform in the bay and burned amazingly quickly through £150 in cash because the wine was so good. We would have stayed hours more, and spent a fortune, except they didn't take cards so we had to go home.

    The entire experience was a bizarre step back in time. The location was very popular with French tourists and we asked many to recommend places to eat and drink, commonly their opening response was "they take cards!".

    A third trip involved us having to ask for change a third party (a lady who ran a market stall) because the guy who sold us a (cash only) boat trip was unable to change the notes we offered him, thus making a transaction impossible.

    Cash is pointless. It's an antiquated system with so many flaws it barely needs repeating again. Simple market forces will see it increasingly marginalised to minority interest pursued only by unrepentant luddites and weird nostalgics.

    Today's ATM annoucement has all the hallmarks of 'something must be doneism' – banks have stopped offering ATM cash services because they are expensive to run and there is rapidly reducing need for them. Simple as that.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,301

    Question for PB: should people like Letby not be afforded anonymity for life?

    And indeed, why are the names of criminals publicly available, what good does it serve?

    Public trails for stated crimes are a safeguard against Nacht und Nebel.
  • Made me chuckle anyway.

  • Agreed....and note that Binham Priory has an excellent cafe and shop which sells its own fresh milk. Also Holkham Beach is widely acknowledged as one of the best in Europe.
    Thank you all for the helpful suggestions. Quick look shows they sell milk in their own printed bottles, always a nice bonus.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    ...

    Question for PB: should people like Letby not be afforded anonymity for life?

    And indeed, why are the names of criminals publicly available, what good does it serve?

    I don't agree with that necessarily, name and shame away.

    But I will be uncomfortable with the tabloid expose of her pre- criminality lifestyle choices. Salacious press coverage will also incite nutters to make her parent's life hell, and be of no benefit to the families of her victims.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    I have recently been forced to use cash for the first time in ten years because I went on holiday to countries outside the EU/Schengen where it was still common for places not to accept cards. It was a right palaver and pain in the arse. On one day, the only ATM in the town we were staying in just stopped working, for no good reason, so we had to take a cab to the next village, then have the driver park illegally, while I ran – literally ran – to the ATM on the pedestrianised seafront and back in 30c heat just to withdraw some paper money.

    In another case, we went to a great wine bar that was sited on a floating platform in the bay and burned amazingly quickly through £150 in cash because the wine was so good. We would have stayed hours more, and spent a fortune, except they didn't take cards so we had to go home.

    The entire experience was a bizarre step back in time. The location was very popular with French tourists and we asked many to recommend places to eat and drink, commonly their opening response was "they take cards!".

    A third trip involved us having to ask for change a third party (a lady who ran a market stall) because the guy who sold us a (cash only) boat trip was unable to change the notes we offered him, thus making a transaction impossible.

    Cash is pointless. It's an antiquated system with so many flaws it barely needs repeating again. Simple market forces will see it increasingly marginalised to minority interest pursued only by unrepentant luddites and weird nostalgics.

    Today's ATM annoucement has all the hallmarks of 'something must be doneism' – banks have stopped offering ATM cash services because they are expensive to run and there is rapidly reducing need for them. Simple as that.

    "Merely the modern version of the whine "Isn't it terrible that you have to use copper ingots in the shape of oxhides?"
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,471
    New Omnisis poll: reversion to something a bit more sensible after a very low-Tory outlier last time:

    LAB-S&D: 44% (-4)
    CON~ECR: 28% (+4)
    LDEM-RE: 10%
    REFORM~NI: 7% (+1)
    GREENS-G/EFA: 5% (-1)
    SNP-G/EFA: 3%

    +/- vs. 10-11 August 2023

    Fieldwork: 17-18 August 2023
    Sample size: 1,315

    LLG 59% plays RefCon 35%. That's a fairly high RefCon score.

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1692556969842758038?s=20
  • Just must be seen to be delivered, and to be fair.

    Imagine if people could be prosecuted and imprisoned, with no public record or information as to who was imprisoned and why?
    Why should anyone have anonymity for life for such heinous crimes

    The parents who must be in utter despair and pain should be the focus of our care, not Letby
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,965

    Same
    SAPYHR
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570
    MattW said:

    What are sixpences worth? I have a box of those.
    I'm more a fan of thruppenny bits.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063

    Question for PB: should people like Letby not be afforded anonymity for life?

    And indeed, why are the names of criminals publicly available, what good does it serve?

    Because justice must both be done and be seen to be done. The justice system is not solely about punishment but that's part of it, and people knowing the guilty is a part of that.

    Then there are practical considerations, patrictularly in a case like this - would hearing an unnamed doctor was convicted of 15 murders and suspected of many more be able to be maintained forclong before Shipmans name
    came out?

    Yes there are miscarriages of justice which mean the stigma will never be redressed properly. Yes we should look after those who are released more so they are not forced into a situation which encourages recidivism.

    But not to know who did what? Justice has always been about society more than individuals despite talk of victims. That's
    why states prosecute or not even if someone not want to sometimes.
  • Andy_JS said:

    I think you're just trying to wind people up with questions like this. But I'm also going to annoy right-wing populists by saying I think that a lot of people who are currently in jail should probably be in mental health facilities instead.
    No I am not trying to wind people up, I was curious if there was a historical reason for why we name criminals so publicly and what the reasons were for it.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,119
    kinabalu said:

    Not much love for the N option on here then. Seems to be universal Ys. I smell a rat.
    I can't think of a local development that I've ever opposed.

    Now, maybe I've lived in such woebegone areas that no-one has wanted to develop in them, or nuking the area from orbit would be too good for it, but I think it's possible that NIMBYs are an example of very vocal groups that receive disproportionate attention compared to their size.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    Andy_JS said:

    Agree 100%.
    I'm not having a good day.

    I have found myself agreeing with and "liking" posts by Casino and AndyJS.
  • ...

    I don't agree with that necessarily, name and shame away.

    But I will be uncomfortable with the tabloid expose of her pre- criminality lifestyle choices. Salacious press coverage will also incite nutters to make her parent's life hell, and be of no benefit to the families of her victims.
    I recall the case of the media naming the alleged murderer of Joanna Yeates. Which they got wrong, basically ruined the person's life.

    How is that allowed? What is the defence for such a thing?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    My wallet lives in a cupboard at home, like my passport. I don't take it out unless I expect to need it, and its there for emergency backup then if I do. All I ever use is my phone.

    But replacing a phone can be a lot easier than replacing either your cash or your cards in your wallet.

    A few weeks ago while out I dropped my phone, normally nowadays they just bounced but it landed on a rock and smashed the screen. When I got home, I took an old phone out of the cupboard, charged it, then started using it. Got my Samsung Pay and Curve apps which is what I use for payment switched over, and was all done within minutes. No waiting for a replacement card to be delivered.
    I agree and also have a smart watch, which also has Apple Pay so I can use either.

    Have no idea what the point of a wallet is these days, other than ruining the line of tailored trousers.

    Like you, mine stays in my drawer at home as permanent storage for the cards I no longer need or use.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,455
    Westminster Voting Intention (Corbyn as Labour Leader):

    LAB: 36% (-10)
    CON: 35% (+7)
    LDM: 15% (+4)
    RFM: 6% (=)
    GRN: 5% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @Moreincommon_, Aug 2023.
    Changes w/ Regular VI.

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1692502327880556941?t=X8bfvMQ-SAuYGxTEqjxoMg&s=19

    @Bigjohnowls fans please explain.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,849
    It's time to withdraw not just 1ps and 2ps from circulation, but credit/debit cards too.

    We all use our phone for everything. They are fundamentally more secure (you need a PIN/fingerprint/face scan) to pay for anything. And we carry them with anyway.

    Let's start a campaign to get phones accepted anywhere a credit/debit card is. Cash machines. Shops. Public transport. Parking machines*. Etc.

    The environmental savings would be enormous. No more little bits of plastic. And we'd no longer need to carry a wallet in addition to our phones for the once in a blue moon occasion when we need our Halifax Cash Card.

    * I would, however, ban those stupid parking apps, each of which appears to have been written by an incompetent nine year old.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063

    ...

    I don't agree with that necessarily, name and shame away.

    But I will be uncomfortable with the tabloid expose of her pre- criminality lifestyle choices. Salacious press coverage will also incite nutters to make her parent's life hell, and be of no benefit to the families of her victims.
    An attractive female serial killer? The movie will already be in development.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    MattW said:

    What are sixpences worth? I have a box of those.
    Depends on the date. Before 1946, you can sell them for reasonable money for scrap as their silver content is worth quite a lot.

    If they're after 1946, they're worth pretty much sod all.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,119

    Or we could re-baseline the value of the pound 10:1

    Sets us up to manage inflation for the next century.
    I said they should have done this for the King Charles coins and notes. That would reduce the pain of switching from one to the other.

    Too late now. Will have to wait for William V.
  • Just must be seen to be delivered, and to be fair.

    Imagine if people could be prosecuted and imprisoned, with no public record or information as to who was imprisoned and why?
    And in the cases where the person wasn't even found guilty, they were still named and shamed. Do you support that? And what about cases where it's been overturned, their life is still ruined and people know who they are.

    I would be perfectly content not knowing the identity of this woman.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    ...

    I don't agree with that necessarily, name and shame away.

    But I will be uncomfortable with the tabloid expose of her pre- criminality lifestyle choices. Salacious press coverage will also incite nutters to make her parent's life hell, and be of no benefit to the families of her victims.
    The hopsital management are also starting to get lots of loving attention from the DM. Careful details about every last corporate prizegiving with second rate wine and their own families and details of their places of residence.
  • Why should anyone have anonymity for life for such heinous crimes

    The parents who must be in utter despair and pain should be the focus of our care, not Letby
    I am not on Letby's side and I am disgusted that you would imply that I was.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,063
    edited August 2023
    Foxy said:

    Westminster Voting Intention (Corbyn as Labour Leader):

    LAB: 36% (-10)
    CON: 35% (+7)
    LDM: 15% (+4)
    RFM: 6% (=)
    GRN: 5% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @Moreincommon_, Aug 2023.
    Changes w/ Regular VI.

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1692502327880556941?t=X8bfvMQ-SAuYGxTEqjxoMg&s=19

    @Bigjohnowls fans please explain.

    Who would have paid for that sort of polling I wonder.
  • Carnyx said:

    The hopsital management are also starting to get lots of loving attention from the DM. Careful details about every last corporate prizegiving with second rate wine and their own families and details of their places of residence.
    Innocent until proven guilty. These people deserve anonymity.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,849
    Carnyx said:

    Exactly what I used it for: in the university library, often en route to or from my office. The shallow screen didn't matter for that, and the data and notes transferred OK to my desktop by cable and software prog. It also felt safer in a pocket or rucksack than a briefcase in the darker evenings.

    Street cred = very low, but not as low as a C5, and it did the job!
    After I finish with my current business, I think I will start a company that recreates the Z88, only running either Android or ChromeOS and with a really nice display.
  • See yas
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    I said they should have done this for the King Charles coins and notes. That would reduce the pain of switching from one to the other.

    Too late now. Will have to wait for William V.
    There's no way the RF would let KCIII be linked with a similar measure today as it would really confuse the elderly royalist generation and they'd blame him for the next 20 years' inflation. Don't know if you were here for decimalisation, but my parents' generation and the one above blamed that for triggering inflation (on the grounds it let shops and traders rip off the public).
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,153

    Or we could re-baseline the value of the pound 10:1

    Sets us up to manage inflation for the next century.
    Join the Euro, let the ECB* decide our coins

    *Insert Cricket Joke Here
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,471
    edited August 2023

    Same
    I think MAPYHB is the closest we have to current front-bench Tory orthodoxy. I'd expect Sunak to self-identify as this, as would Truss. Boris and Gove marginally MAEYHB. May MAPNHR.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,119

    Question for PB: should people like Letby not be afforded anonymity for life?

    And indeed, why are the names of criminals publicly available, what good does it serve?

    It's an important principle of justice that it is open and public. Generally speaking this protects those facing prosecution from the state using illegitimate means to prosecute and convict them.

    If we weren't allowed to talk about the Lucy Letby case because it might identify her then it would be a lot easier for the state to persecute people and wrongfully imprison them.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,771
    edited August 2023

    Question for PB: should people like Letby not be afforded anonymity for life?

    And indeed, why are the names of criminals publicly available, what good does it serve?

    No, as justice should be open. It also serves to help identify other crimes committed by the same individual.

    Jury anonymity is perhaps more interesting. Around the Trump cases, the members of the Grand Jury (who decide whether there is a case strong enough to lay charges) are now receiving threats after social media attacks by Trump. And a Grand Jury is usually anonymous, with anonymity a matter of law - but not in Georgia.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608

    I recall the case of the media naming the alleged murderer of Joanna Yeates. Which they got wrong, basically ruined the person's life.

    How is that allowed? What is the defence for such a thing?
    This is post conviction. The teacher from Clifton College should not have been vilified by the press as a person of interest, and he sued their arses.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,471
    Foxy said:

    Westminster Voting Intention (Corbyn as Labour Leader):

    LAB: 36% (-10)
    CON: 35% (+7)
    LDM: 15% (+4)
    RFM: 6% (=)
    GRN: 5% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @Moreincommon_, Aug 2023.
    Changes w/ Regular VI.

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1692502327880556941?t=X8bfvMQ-SAuYGxTEqjxoMg&s=19

    @Bigjohnowls fans please explain.

    Kind of bizarre that Green is unaffected. I'd have expected their VI to go down.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,274

    I recall the case of the media naming the alleged murderer of Joanna Yeates. Which they got wrong, basically ruined the person's life.

    How is that allowed? What is the defence for such a thing?
    IIRC the police in that case were sure they’d got the right man. Then further evidence came to light.
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