Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
By Greenpeace, probably not these days. By the new groups of activists who have been disrupting events, and are threatening to stop every Premier League football match, rather more so.
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
By Greenpeace, probably not these days. By the new groups of activists who have been disrupting events, and are threatening to stop every Premier League football match, rather more so.
Interesting development in Ukraine. Ukraine have crossed the Dnipro near Kherson. This is a sector where Russia had moved forces away from to reinforce other areas.
LASH TRAFFIC / KHERSON /1600 UTC 8 AUG / UKR has launched a surprise crossing of the Dnipro in the vicinity of Kozachi Laheri. It has been confirmed that a significant UKR force has effected a lodgment approximately 800 meters deep N of the village. https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1688941957744082945
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
The main focus of the electorate continues to be on:
Inflation Inflation and... Inflation
Following the Saudi summit on Ukraine at the weekend, everyone should be lobbying OPEC to start pumping oil and starve Putin of dollars. (With the nice side-effect of reducing Western inflation).
The Saudis are pissed off at Russia, for not cutting production as agreed in the recent past, and for now using Ukranian food exports as a weapon against the Middle East.
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
I am quite green in my way and I cant stand greenpeace they are a huge pile of the word we cant say
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
I am quite green in my way and I cant stand greenpeace they are a huge pile of the word we cant say
I went off them when they openly lied about the Brent Spar.
"Greenpeace admitted that its claims that the Spar contained 5500 tonnes of oil were inaccurate and apologized to Shell on 5 September. This preempted the publication of DNV's report, which endorsed Shell's initial estimates for many pollutants."
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
Greenpeace are the old fogeys of the green ecosystem, the cool kids are elsewhere.
Mmm, and I think that if you try to say "this lot are beyond the pale, menaces to society" about Greenpeace a lot of people will react with "what, Greenpeace? don't be daft". You could probably get that line of attack across against Extinction Rebellion, but I think Greenpeace is just too familiar and old a name.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
Not hackers this time. Rather, some idiot included the names of every PSNI police officer in response to an FOI request.
Does no-one do a check on FOI request responses before they leave the internal systems? That’s an insane story from an InfoSec point of view.
There should always be an independent second pair of eyes on stuff like this, doubly so in such a sensitive agency as the PSNI.
When I was working, I'd always try to leave any email for at least five minutes as a draft before sending, and check over it. Preferably overnight, if I could.
I fear too many people treat emails as if it is an Internet chat, or PB...
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
The "Demolition for Safety Reasons" looks weak - especially since access for fire engines was blocked, while a JCB happened to be conveniently on site.
Aaaand this is exactly what I am on about. You think you are with it and groovy as fuck, Daddy O, for watching a Bronski Beat video, but you (genuinely) don't see what the fuss is about when an actual contemporary gay man is livid about an actual farcical distortion of gay history. Because it's so comical to see them get all het up.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
If it can be confirmed it was an accident not arson maybe, there needs to be a full police investigation first, which Sir Gavin to his credit is pushing for
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
The "Demolition for Safety Reasons" looks weak - especially since access for fire engines was blocked, while a JCB happened to be conveniently on site.
I made that argument on a previous thread, and whilst I stand by the fact these structures often need to be demolished, it was not the full case here.
(In fact, if I remember the newspaper report correctly, they were told to demolish *parts* of the structure that were dangerous, They went ahead and demolished all of it. And that screams 'guilty' to me.)
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
The "Demolition for Safety Reasons" looks weak - especially since access for fire engines was blocked, while a JCB happened to be conveniently on site.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
After a decade of naively giving it everything it wanted (deregulation, defunding local government, a permissive planning system) the trend in this field has been lots of new legislation on to the development industry, largely in reaction to Grenfell, and stopping all new development in constituencies it hopes to win. A few weeks ago Gove refused planning consent for the demolition of M and S on Oxford Street - a building that had been turned down for listing twice.
I wouldn't be suprised if the next thing he comes out with is a 'grade 3 listing', as loobied for by some architects - essentially requiring that buildings with some architectural value and merit cannot be demolished.
Not hackers this time. Rather, some idiot included the names of every PSNI police officer in response to an FOI request.
Does no-one do a check on FOI request responses before they leave the internal systems? That’s an insane story from an InfoSec point of view.
There should always be an independent second pair of eyes on stuff like this, doubly so in such a sensitive agency as the PSNI.
When I was working, I'd always try to leave any email for at least five minutes as a draft before sending, and check over it. Preferably overnight, if I could.
I fear too many people treat emails as if it is an Internet chat, or PB...
Absolutely, always better to sit on something, and see nothing more than an annoying typo on the sent version.
No-one should be using email for FOI request responses though, it should go through a CRM system with multiple checks and signoffs along the way.
This particular case is such an egregious breach of security, that it could result in millions of pounds of costs in giving people new identities and relocating them for security reasons. No way should any employee outside the HR department, have access to a full staff list.
Aaaand this is exactly what I am on about. You think you are with it and groovy as fuck, Daddy O, for watching a Bronski Beat video, but you (genuinely) don't see what the fuss is about when an actual contemporary gay man is livid about an actual farcical distortion of gay history. Because it's so comical to see them get all het up.
It's not about signalling, it's about thinking.
I do think, thanks. I might take the same data and come to a different conclusion; that does not mean I am not *thinking*. Or 'signalling' for that matter.
And if you really want to rewarm this discussion (why?) I'd ask you to send me a link to the gent's comments, as I did on the previous thread. Or I might think you are trolling.
Attempt to gain political traction by labeling the likes of GREENPEACE as "radical eco warriors" amply demonstrates the degree of desperation AND delusion currently gripping the bottom feeders who are manufacturing & megaphoning what passes for strategy, in what passes for the Conservative Party in 2023.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
Except that’s not remotely what happened. Which is why this story is the lead UK story in the Guardian and is the third headline in The Times
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
Yes, if Sir Keir is shrewd he will portray this as the latest manifestation of a growing theme: starting with Boris, the attitude that history, tradition, law, honesty, process and neighbourliness amount to nothing if they get in the way of crass self-enrichment. His aides need to get Sir Keir on site, frowningly picking his way through the rubble, as Rishi buggers around in his LA penthouse, forthwith.
On the whole, I think that "Tories attack Alistair Strathern, your Labour candidate" will be grist to his mill - more evidence that he's the one they see as the main threat.
Thanks for the replies to my slightly grouchy post on the last thread (and the 15 likes) - I take the point that there's not much happening in UK politics at the moment. Should warm up in a couple of months with the party conferences...
Not hackers this time. Rather, some idiot included the names of every PSNI police officer in response to an FOI request.
Does no-one do a check on FOI request responses before they leave the internal systems? That’s an insane story from an InfoSec point of view.
There should always be an independent second pair of eyes on stuff like this, doubly so in such a sensitive agency as the PSNI.
When I was working, I'd always try to leave any email for at least five minutes as a draft before sending, and check over it. Preferably overnight, if I could.
I fear too many people treat emails as if it is an Internet chat, or PB...
Absolutely, always better to sit on something, and see nothing more than an annoying typo on the sent version.
No-one should be using email for FOI request responses though, it should go through a CRM system with multiple checks and signoffs along the way.
This particular case is such an egregious breach of security, that it could result in millions of pounds of costs in giving people new identities and relocating them for security reasons. No way should any employee outside the HR department, have access to a full staff list.
At Company Y, someone in HR sent out a spreadsheet with everyone's salary on it, company-wide. A minute or so later they sent an Outlook recall request. Except a load of us were using SMTP/POP3, and recalls did not work on us ...
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Perhaps just because I work in IT and security stuff, but I still don’t understand why the main political parties seem to be totally unable to vet MP candidates for online history.
As a side note, a 35-year-old at the next election, will have likely had an iPhone and a Facebook account since they were 18. Definitely nothing to be dug up there…
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
Greenpeace are the old fogeys of the green ecosystem, the cool kids are elsewhere.
Mmm, and I think that if you try to say "this lot are beyond the pale, menaces to society" about Greenpeace a lot of people will react with "what, Greenpeace? don't be daft". You could probably get that line of attack across against Extinction Rebellion, but I think Greenpeace is just too familiar and old a name.
That's part of why they are the old fogeys of the green movement - they are the comfortable, establishment side of it to the real radicals. Probably seen as busy hobnobbing with powerful people too much or some such stuff.
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Indeed he should take a lead out of the conservatives’ book - they expertly vet their candidates to ensure none of them have radical rightwing backgrounds or problematic opinions, of course.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
After a decade of naively giving it everything it wanted (deregulation, defunding local government, a permissive planning system) the trend in this field has been lots of new legislation on to the development industry, largely in reaction to Grenfell, and stopping all new development in constituencies it hopes to win. A few weeks ago Gove refused planning consent for the demolition of M and S on Oxford Street - a building that had been turned down for listing twice.
I wouldn't be suprised if the next thing he comes out with is a 'grade 3 listing', as loobied for by some architects - essentially requiring that buildings with some architectural value and merit cannot be demolished.
We should perhaps have inverse grading system as well so that there is a presumption of allowing for the demolition of buildings with no architectural merit.
People can rigtly argue over whether the West should give these things (the latter seems like a no brainer to me, the former less so) but it's easy to see why the Ukrainians struggle to walk the line between showing gratitude and demanding more.
Western capitals refused to give Ukraine fighter planes & long-range missiles, then have spent the last few months complaining that Ukraine isn't making rapid enough progress, despite fighting a larger, stronger foe without the weapons Kyiv has asked for. https://nitter.net/OzKaterji/status/1688925797267238916#m
On the whole, I think that "Tories attack Alistair Strathern, your Labour candidate" will be grist to his mill - more evidence that he's the one they see as the main threat.
Thanks for the replies to my slightly grouchy post on the last thread (and the 15 likes) - I take the point that there's not much happening in UK politics at the moment. Should warm up in a couple of months with the party conferences...
The problem is everything is politics, and politics affects most things. The demolition of a wonky pub in the Midlands ?none? of us had been to should matter much less than (say) pub licensing laws. But it's emotive, and causes discussion. In the absence of political news, it's what we have to go on - aside from rehashing the latest polls.
Things were much more exciting in the days of ?Yougov's? nightly polls...
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
Greenpeace are the old fogeys of the green ecosystem, the cool kids are elsewhere.
Mmm, and I think that if you try to say "this lot are beyond the pale, menaces to society" about Greenpeace a lot of people will react with "what, Greenpeace? don't be daft". You could probably get that line of attack across against Extinction Rebellion, but I think Greenpeace is just too familiar and old a name.
That's part of why they are the old fogeys of the green movement - they are the comfortable, establishment side of it to the real radicals. Probably seen as busy hobnobbing with powerful people too much or some such stuff.
Exposed! Sir Keir Starmer’s shadowy links with woke National Trust and RSPB. Insiders claim he may even have been present at RNLI gathering in 1990s.
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Indeed he should take a lead out of the conservatives’ book - they expertly vet their candidates to ensure none of them have radical rightwing backgrounds or problematic opinions, of course.
Erm...
Ed Green, suspended by the Conservative Party ahead of Havering Council's Upminster by-election, has defended a Facebook post mocking Greta Thunberg.
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Indeed he should take a lead out of the conservatives’ book - they expertly vet their candidates to ensure none of them have radical rightwing backgrounds or problematic opinions, of course.
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
Greenpeace are the old fogeys of the green ecosystem, the cool kids are elsewhere.
Mmm, and I think that if you try to say "this lot are beyond the pale, menaces to society" about Greenpeace a lot of people will react with "what, Greenpeace? don't be daft". You could probably get that line of attack across against Extinction Rebellion, but I think Greenpeace is just too familiar and old a name.
That's part of why they are the old fogeys of the green movement - they are the comfortable, establishment side of it to the real radicals. Probably seen as busy hobnobbing with powerful people too much or some such stuff.
Exposed! Sir Keir Starmer’s shadowy links with woke National Trust and RSPB. Insiders claim he may even have been present at RNLI gathering in 1990s.
Aaaand this is exactly what I am on about. You think you are with it and groovy as fuck, Daddy O, for watching a Bronski Beat video, but you (genuinely) don't see what the fuss is about when an actual contemporary gay man is livid about an actual farcical distortion of gay history. Because it's so comical to see them get all het up.
It's not about signalling, it's about thinking.
I do think, thanks. I might take the same data and come to a different conclusion; that does not mean I am not *thinking*. Or 'signalling' for that matter.
And if you really want to rewarm this discussion (why?) I'd ask you to send me a link to the gent's comments, as I did on the previous thread. Or I might think you are trolling.
[SO else]An object lesson in bringing queer history into disrepute.
Hensher: Exactly
Also Hensher
I increasingly think the drive to queer things has absolutely nothing to do with gay sex, and in many proponents’ case they are rather repulsed by it.
Which I think, if you substitute trans for queer and gay, nails you exactly. Neither the queer nor the trans were put on this earth to furnish a hobby for amiable old straight buffers like you.
On the whole, I think that "Tories attack Alistair Strathern, your Labour candidate" will be grist to his mill - more evidence that he's the one they see as the main threat.
Thanks for the replies to my slightly grouchy post on the last thread (and the 15 likes) - I take the point that there's not much happening in UK politics at the moment. Should warm up in a couple of months with the party conferences...
It might also get more exciting next year with a general election 👍
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Perhaps just because I work in IT and security stuff, but I still don’t understand why the main political parties seem to be totally unable to vet MP candidates for online history.
As a side note, a 35-year-old at the next election, will have likely had an iPhone and a Facebook account since they were 18. Definitely nothing to be dug up there…
There has to be some leeway in terms of freedom of thought and youthful hi jinks but yes background checks can be done
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Indeed he should take a lead out of the conservatives’ book - they expertly vet their candidates to ensure none of them have radical rightwing backgrounds or problematic opinions, of course.
CCHQ do
For how long have they done that? I am terrified that what we've ended up with are the vetted ones.
Attempt to gain political traction by labeling the likes of GREENPEACE as "radical eco warriors" amply demonstrates the degree of desperation AND delusion currently gripping the bottom feeders who are manufacturing & megaphoning what passes for strategy, in what passes for the Conservative Party in 2023.
Precisely - although the attempt to conflate them with their more radical younger sibling groups is clear.
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Indeed he should take a lead out of the conservatives’ book - they expertly vet their candidates to ensure none of them have radical rightwing backgrounds or problematic opinions, of course.
Erm...
Ed Green, suspended by the Conservative Party ahead of Havering Council's Upminster by-election, has defended a Facebook post mocking Greta Thunberg.
Not hackers this time. Rather, some idiot included the names of every PSNI police officer in response to an FOI request.
Does no-one do a check on FOI request responses before they leave the internal systems? That’s an insane story from an InfoSec point of view.
There should always be an independent second pair of eyes on stuff like this, doubly so in such a sensitive agency as the PSNI.
When I was working, I'd always try to leave any email for at least five minutes as a draft before sending, and check over it. Preferably overnight, if I could.
I fear too many people treat emails as if it is an Internet chat, or PB...
Absolutely, always better to sit on something, and see nothing more than an annoying typo on the sent version.
No-one should be using email for FOI request responses though, it should go through a CRM system with multiple checks and signoffs along the way.
This particular case is such an egregious breach of security, that it could result in millions of pounds of costs in giving people new identities and relocating them for security reasons. No way should any employee outside the HR department, have access to a full staff list.
At Company Y, someone in HR sent out a spreadsheet with everyone's salary on it, company-wide. A minute or so later they sent an Outlook recall request. Except a load of us were using SMTP/POP3, and recalls did not work on us ...
I actually managed to successfully recall once (don't worry, it was something a little early, not sensitive), with all internal people, but most of the time that option might as well not even be there for what it does versus what people think it does.
Not hackers this time. Rather, some idiot included the names of every PSNI police officer in response to an FOI request.
Does no-one do a check on FOI request responses before they leave the internal systems? That’s an insane story from an InfoSec point of view.
There should always be an independent second pair of eyes on stuff like this, doubly so in such a sensitive agency as the PSNI.
When I was working, I'd always try to leave any email for at least five minutes as a draft before sending, and check over it. Preferably overnight, if I could.
I fear too many people treat emails as if it is an Internet chat, or PB...
Absolutely, always better to sit on something, and see nothing more than an annoying typo on the sent version.
No-one should be using email for FOI request responses though, it should go through a CRM system with multiple checks and signoffs along the way.
This particular case is such an egregious breach of security, that it could result in millions of pounds of costs in giving people new identities and relocating them for security reasons. No way should any employee outside the HR department, have access to a full staff list.
At Company Y, someone in HR sent out a spreadsheet with everyone's salary on it, company-wide. A minute or so later they sent an Outlook recall request. Except a load of us were using SMTP/POP3, and recalls did not work on us ...
I've often thought, JJ, that it would be a good thing if everyone knew everyone else's take home pay.
In fact I once suggested to OGH that posters here should be required to publish this information at the head of each contribution, but for some reason he never took this up.
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Indeed he should take a lead out of the conservatives’ book - they expertly vet their candidates to ensure none of them have radical rightwing backgrounds or problematic opinions, of course.
Erm...
Ed Green, suspended by the Conservative Party ahead of Havering Council's Upminster by-election, has defended a Facebook post mocking Greta Thunberg.
"His Facebook posts included mocking autistic climate campaigner Greta Thunberg, supporting Andrew Bridgen MP after he compared Covid vaccines to the Holocaust and referring to a gay journalist as living a “monkeypox prone life”.
He also described a black woman as “a race baiting attention whore”, and shared offensive caricatures of Muslim men."
ETA he called Thunberg "a little autistic messiah."
I can't help but be struck by the fact that after spending the whole summer posting It's always warmish/There's always a couple of fires in summer, you leap in to defend an indefensible attack on GT. The planet is warming. It is not making an elaborate pretence of doing so, to spite you personally. Get used to it.
New polling - given exclusively to Channel 4 News - shows a Labour landslide victory with around 460 seats and the Conservatives reduced to 90 seats - if there were an imminent general election.
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
I am quite green in my way and I cant stand greenpeace they are a huge pile of the word we cant say
I went off them when they openly lied about the Brent Spar.
"Greenpeace admitted that its claims that the Spar contained 5500 tonnes of oil were inaccurate and apologized to Shell on 5 September. This preempted the publication of DNV's report, which endorsed Shell's initial estimates for many pollutants."
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Indeed he should take a lead out of the conservatives’ book - they expertly vet their candidates to ensure none of them have radical rightwing backgrounds or problematic opinions, of course.
Erm...
Ed Green, suspended by the Conservative Party ahead of Havering Council's Upminster by-election, has defended a Facebook post mocking Greta Thunberg.
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Indeed he should take a lead out of the conservatives’ book - they expertly vet their candidates to ensure none of them have radical rightwing backgrounds or problematic opinions, of course.
Erm...
Ed Green, suspended by the Conservative Party ahead of Havering Council's Upminster by-election, has defended a Facebook post mocking Greta Thunberg.
Mocking is ok, indeed it should be done more often, but what he did was not really mocking. Calling her an attention whore and autistic messiah goes beyond that level, as it is not merely offensive (which is also mostly ok), it is very personally and gratuitously offensive in a way unconnected to her politics.
This is one of those issues where media can undermine the story by tip toeing around details (like when criticising something someone said, but not saying what it was, so the reader doesn't know how offended to be), but at least here they included images.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
After a decade of naively giving it everything it wanted (deregulation, defunding local government, a permissive planning system) the trend in this field has been lots of new legislation on to the development industry, largely in reaction to Grenfell, and stopping all new development in constituencies it hopes to win. A few weeks ago Gove refused planning consent for the demolition of M and S on Oxford Street - a building that had been turned down for listing twice.
I wouldn't be suprised if the next thing he comes out with is a 'grade 3 listing', as loobied for by some architects - essentially requiring that buildings with some architectural value and merit cannot be demolished.
We should perhaps have inverse grading system as well so that there is a presumption of allowing for the demolition of buildings with no architectural merit.
The emerging presumption is against demolition because of its environmental impact and embodied carbon. There are powerful forces in the architecture and development industry that are trying to 'decarbonise' the industry. I've also read stuff which is straying in to communism, like they shouldn't be building flats in London that are rented out as airbnb's, and that they need to be building houses for the homeless because 'the public sector has failed'. How this agenda gets reconciled with the idea of making profit in a free market economy is difficult to assess.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I think not. I think the Police may well find arson and wilful destruction and the Planners can insist on a full rebuild. If this is the case then the directors are very likely to be declared to be not "fit and proper" and may end up being disbarred for good measure.
Primie Facie, a nasty case of developer greed and public outrage will force the restitution of the pub.
As for the impact on the Conservatives, None I think, personally, they may be fools, but so far only Baroness Mone seems to be thought of as an out-and-out crook personally, though that could of course certainly change..
On the other hand, the opposition can now start to paint the Tories back tracking on green policies as a corrupt party in the pockets of corporate greed on a far bigger scale than the vandalism of the Crooked House. The Daily Mail, may be on side, but the support of the populist far right can be assumed anyway and the readership of these populist rags is falling apart.
The moderates in the shires and suburbs are going to be very turned off by this, and that could see the wholesale defection of the Shires away from the Tories to the Lib Dems and in some places the Greens. That, I think, will cause far more damage than the Faragist Reform/Reclaim Paper tiger that HYFUD says he fears so much.
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Perhaps just because I work in IT and security stuff, but I still don’t understand why the main political parties seem to be totally unable to vet MP candidates for online history.
As a side note, a 35-year-old at the next election, will have likely had an iPhone and a Facebook account since they were 18. Definitely nothing to be dug up there…
There has to be some leeway in terms of freedom of thought and youthful hi jinks but yes background checks can be done
I happen to know some people who run onlyfans/chaturbate accounts. And their view is pretty much "Well, everyone does. So what?".
Possibly in a few years we'll (DM excluded) have gotten past the 'OMG! $person did WHAT when they were a teenager?!?!?!"
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
Except that’s not remotely what happened. Which is why this story is the lead UK story in the Guardian and is the third headline in The Times
It is resonating
Conspiracies do happen and this is one I’m inclined to believe in. Needs, what, a dozen people or so to execute tops? A close knit group with a clear motive? Yes. I’m sold on this one.
Aaaand this is exactly what I am on about. You think you are with it and groovy as fuck, Daddy O, for watching a Bronski Beat video, but you (genuinely) don't see what the fuss is about when an actual contemporary gay man is livid about an actual farcical distortion of gay history. Because it's so comical to see them get all het up.
It's not about signalling, it's about thinking.
I do think, thanks. I might take the same data and come to a different conclusion; that does not mean I am not *thinking*. Or 'signalling' for that matter.
And if you really want to rewarm this discussion (why?) I'd ask you to send me a link to the gent's comments, as I did on the previous thread. Or I might think you are trolling.
[SO else]An object lesson in bringing queer history into disrepute.
Hensher: Exactly
Also Hensher
I increasingly think the drive to queer things has absolutely nothing to do with gay sex, and in many proponents’ case they are rather repulsed by it.
Which I think, if you substitute trans for queer and gay, nails you exactly. Neither the queer nor the trans were put on this earth to furnish a hobby for amiable old straight buffers like you.
Thanks for the link. AS for the rest of your post: grow up. reasonable people can reasonably disagree, and you are just being plain nasty.
Starmer will certainly be wary to vet candidates backgrounds to ensure no further radical eco warriors can be used in Tory campaign literature
Perhaps just because I work in IT and security stuff, but I still don’t understand why the main political parties seem to be totally unable to vet MP candidates for online history.
As a side note, a 35-year-old at the next election, will have likely had an iPhone and a Facebook account since they were 18. Definitely nothing to be dug up there…
There has to be some leeway in terms of freedom of thought and youthful hi jinks but yes background checks can be done
How much youthful hi-jinks should be allowed, is almost certainly going to come up at the next election, and bite someone on the arse.
I’ll almost guarantee that someone in their thirties, standing as a candidate in 2024, posted something like “the only problem with gassing the Jews, is that they only did six million of them and missed out the rest”, in 2006, to an audience of about three, totally devoid of context and likely to have been an in-joke among friends at the time - and totally forgotten about until a journalist picks up on it a few weeks before the election.
Just reeks of gimmickry. No solutions to any of the multiple problems the nation faces. Just another group to demonise. Or zombify if you prefer. And are people that bothered by Greenpeace? Been around for yonks
Greenpeace are the old fogeys of the green ecosystem, the cool kids are elsewhere.
Mmm, and I think that if you try to say "this lot are beyond the pale, menaces to society" about Greenpeace a lot of people will react with "what, Greenpeace? don't be daft". You could probably get that line of attack across against Extinction Rebellion, but I think Greenpeace is just too familiar and old a name.
That's part of why they are the old fogeys of the green movement - they are the comfortable, establishment side of it to the real radicals. Probably seen as busy hobnobbing with powerful people too much or some such stuff.
Exposed! Sir Keir Starmer’s shadowy links with woke National Trust and RSPB. Insiders claim he may even have been present at RNLI gathering in 1990s.
"His sister is a thespian!" was once hurled at an opponent by his (successful) challenger, a mid-20th century Florida politico.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
The "Demolition for Safety Reasons" looks weak - especially since access for fire engines was blocked, while a JCB happened to be conveniently on site.
"We had to destroy the pub to save it!"
They do not get to choose, the local Planners do, and they were on site and can confirm that the demolition was illegal. It is a clear breach and is going to end up being very expensive.
New polling - given exclusively to Channel 4 News - shows a Labour landslide victory with around 460 seats and the Conservatives reduced to 90 seats - if there were an imminent general election.
Aaaand this is exactly what I am on about. You think you are with it and groovy as fuck, Daddy O, for watching a Bronski Beat video, but you (genuinely) don't see what the fuss is about when an actual contemporary gay man is livid about an actual farcical distortion of gay history. Because it's so comical to see them get all het up.
It's not about signalling, it's about thinking.
I do think, thanks. I might take the same data and come to a different conclusion; that does not mean I am not *thinking*. Or 'signalling' for that matter.
And if you really want to rewarm this discussion (why?) I'd ask you to send me a link to the gent's comments, as I did on the previous thread. Or I might think you are trolling.
[SO else]An object lesson in bringing queer history into disrepute.
Hensher: Exactly
Also Hensher
I increasingly think the drive to queer things has absolutely nothing to do with gay sex, and in many proponents’ case they are rather repulsed by it.
Which I think, if you substitute trans for queer and gay, nails you exactly. Neither the queer nor the trans were put on this earth to furnish a hobby for amiable old straight buffers like you.
Thanks for the link. AS for the rest of your post: grow up. reasonable people can reasonably disagree, and you are just being plain nasty.
We don't disagree. You entertain ideaoids rather than ideas. You think this is harmless. You are in fact cheering on people who castrate 16 year old boys for being gay. I am opposed to this practice. I am not exaggerating or joking.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
The "Demolition for Safety Reasons" looks weak - especially since access for fire engines was blocked, while a JCB happened to be conveniently on site.
"We had to destroy the pub to save it!"
They do not get to choose, the local Planners do, and they were on site and can confirm that the demolition was illegal. It is a clear breach and is going to end up being very expensive.
The demolition so soon after the fire was a giant red flag. Even after such damage you just don't get permission that fast, so if the fire was not intentional it could have just waited, and if it was intentional they still could have.
New polling - given exclusively to Channel 4 News - shows a Labour landslide victory with around 460 seats and the Conservatives reduced to 90 seats - if there were an imminent general election.
Not hackers this time. Rather, some idiot included the names of every PSNI police officer in response to an FOI request.
Does no-one do a check on FOI request responses before they leave the internal systems? That’s an insane story from an InfoSec point of view.
There should always be an independent second pair of eyes on stuff like this, doubly so in such a sensitive agency as the PSNI.
When I was working, I'd always try to leave any email for at least five minutes as a draft before sending, and check over it. Preferably overnight, if I could.
I fear too many people treat emails as if it is an Internet chat, or PB...
Absolutely, always better to sit on something, and see nothing more than an annoying typo on the sent version.
No-one should be using email for FOI request responses though, it should go through a CRM system with multiple checks and signoffs along the way.
This particular case is such an egregious breach of security, that it could result in millions of pounds of costs in giving people new identities and relocating them for security reasons. No way should any employee outside the HR department, have access to a full staff list.
At Company Y, someone in HR sent out a spreadsheet with everyone's salary on it, company-wide. A minute or so later they sent an Outlook recall request. Except a load of us were using SMTP/POP3, and recalls did not work on us ...
I asked for a list of student matric numbers on course 1234 from our central "We Do It Proper" IT a while back and was emailed a spreadsheet full of matric numbers along with home addresses, private emails, country of origin, passport details, etc etc. I couldn't delete it fast enough...
Aaaand this is exactly what I am on about. You think you are with it and groovy as fuck, Daddy O, for watching a Bronski Beat video, but you (genuinely) don't see what the fuss is about when an actual contemporary gay man is livid about an actual farcical distortion of gay history. Because it's so comical to see them get all het up.
It's not about signalling, it's about thinking.
I do think, thanks. I might take the same data and come to a different conclusion; that does not mean I am not *thinking*. Or 'signalling' for that matter.
And if you really want to rewarm this discussion (why?) I'd ask you to send me a link to the gent's comments, as I did on the previous thread. Or I might think you are trolling.
[SO else]An object lesson in bringing queer history into disrepute.
Hensher: Exactly
Also Hensher
I increasingly think the drive to queer things has absolutely nothing to do with gay sex, and in many proponents’ case they are rather repulsed by it.
Which I think, if you substitute trans for queer and gay, nails you exactly. Neither the queer nor the trans were put on this earth to furnish a hobby for amiable old straight buffers like you.
Thanks for the link. AS for the rest of your post: grow up. reasonable people can reasonably disagree, and you are just being plain nasty.
We don't disagree. You entertain ideaoids rather than ideas. You think this is harmless. You are in fact cheering on people who castrate 16 year old boys for being gay. I am opposed to this practice. I am not exaggerating or joking.
Aaaand this is exactly what I am on about. You think you are with it and groovy as fuck, Daddy O, for watching a Bronski Beat video, but you (genuinely) don't see what the fuss is about when an actual contemporary gay man is livid about an actual farcical distortion of gay history. Because it's so comical to see them get all het up.
It's not about signalling, it's about thinking.
I do think, thanks. I might take the same data and come to a different conclusion; that does not mean I am not *thinking*. Or 'signalling' for that matter.
And if you really want to rewarm this discussion (why?) I'd ask you to send me a link to the gent's comments, as I did on the previous thread. Or I might think you are trolling.
[SO else]An object lesson in bringing queer history into disrepute.
Hensher: Exactly
Also Hensher
I increasingly think the drive to queer things has absolutely nothing to do with gay sex, and in many proponents’ case they are rather repulsed by it.
Which I think, if you substitute trans for queer and gay, nails you exactly. Neither the queer nor the trans were put on this earth to furnish a hobby for amiable old straight buffers like you.
Thanks for the link. AS for the rest of your post: grow up. reasonable people can reasonably disagree, and you are just being plain nasty.
We don't disagree. You entertain ideaoids rather than ideas. You think this is harmless. You are in fact cheering on people who castrate 16 year old boys for being gay. I am opposed to this practice. I am not exaggerating or joking.
Now you are bang out of order.
No. If you bothered to research your bandwagons before leaping aboard, you would know exactly what I mean.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I think not. I think the Police may well find arson and wilful destruction and the Planners can insist on a full rebuild. If this is the case then the directors are very likely to be declared to be not "fit and proper" and may end up being disbarred for good measure.
Primie Facie, a nasty case of developer greed and public outrage will force the restitution of the pub.
As for the impact on the Conservatives, None I think, personally, they may be fools, but so far only Baroness Mone seems to be thought of as an out-and-out crook personally, though that could of course certainly change..
On the other hand, the opposition can now start to paint the Tories back tracking on green policies as a corrupt party in the pockets of corporate greed on a far bigger scale than the vandalism of the Crooked House. The Daily Mail, may be on side, but the support of the populist far right can be assumed anyway and the readership of these populist rags is falling apart.
The moderates in the shires and suburbs are going to be very turned off by this, and that could see the wholesale defection of the Shires away from the Tories to the Lib Dems and in some places the Greens. That, I think, will cause far more damage than the Faragist Reform/Reclaim Paper tiger that HYFUD says he fears so much.
Any hopes Rishi had of 'reforming' the planning laws are surely in tatters. His opponents can now portray it as 'a Crooked House coming to near you', and pretty much everyone will be sympathetic.
New polling - given exclusively to Channel 4 News - shows a Labour landslide victory with around 460 seats and the Conservatives reduced to 90 seats - if there were an imminent general election.
Not hackers this time. Rather, some idiot included the names of every PSNI police officer in response to an FOI request.
Does no-one do a check on FOI request responses before they leave the internal systems? That’s an insane story from an InfoSec point of view.
There should always be an independent second pair of eyes on stuff like this, doubly so in such a sensitive agency as the PSNI.
When I was working, I'd always try to leave any email for at least five minutes as a draft before sending, and check over it. Preferably overnight, if I could.
I fear too many people treat emails as if it is an Internet chat, or PB...
Absolutely, always better to sit on something, and see nothing more than an annoying typo on the sent version.
No-one should be using email for FOI request responses though, it should go through a CRM system with multiple checks and signoffs along the way.
This particular case is such an egregious breach of security, that it could result in millions of pounds of costs in giving people new identities and relocating them for security reasons. No way should any employee outside the HR department, have access to a full staff list.
At Company Y, someone in HR sent out a spreadsheet with everyone's salary on it, company-wide. A minute or so later they sent an Outlook recall request. Except a load of us were using SMTP/POP3, and recalls did not work on us ...
I asked for a list of student matric numbers on course 1234 from our central "We Do It Proper" IT a while back and was emailed a spreadsheet full of matric numbers along with home addresses, private emails, country of origin, passport details, etc etc. I couldn't delete it fast enough...
Er whoops. Do you have an ‘information commissioner’, InfoSec manager, or similar role within your organisation, to whom you can report such data breaches? People need to be trained, in order that such mistakes aren’t repeated.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I think not. I think the Police may well find arson and wilful destruction and the Planners can insist on a full rebuild. If this is the case then the directors are very likely to be declared to be not "fit and proper" and may end up being disbarred for good measure.
Primie Facie, a nasty case of developer greed and public outrage will force the restitution of the pub.
As for the impact on the Conservatives, None I think, personally, they may be fools, but so far only Baroness Mone seems to be thought of as an out-and-out crook personally, though that could of course certainly change..
On the other hand, the opposition can now start to paint the Tories back tracking on green policies as a corrupt party in the pockets of corporate greed on a far bigger scale than the vandalism of the Crooked House. The Daily Mail, may be on side, but the support of the populist far right can be assumed anyway and the readership of these populist rags is falling apart.
The moderates in the shires and suburbs are going to be very turned off by this, and that could see the wholesale defection of the Shires away from the Tories to the Lib Dems and in some places the Greens. That, I think, will cause far more damage than the Faragist Reform/Reclaim Paper tiger that HYFUD says he fears so much.
Any hopes Rishi had of 'reforming' the planning laws are surely in tatters. His opponents can now portray it as 'a Crooked House coming to near you', and pretty much everyone will be sympathetic.
Boris couldn't get the votes to reform it despite his big majority whilst he was riding high and doing ok in the polls, Rishi never had much chance.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I think not. I think the Police may well find arson and wilful destruction and the Planners can insist on a full rebuild. If this is the case then the directors are very likely to be declared to be not "fit and proper" and may end up being disbarred for good measure.
Primie Facie, a nasty case of developer greed and public outrage will force the restitution of the pub.
As for the impact on the Conservatives, None I think, personally, they may be fools, but so far only Baroness Mone seems to be thought of as an out-and-out crook personally, though that could of course certainly change..
On the other hand, the opposition can now start to paint the Tories back tracking on green policies as a corrupt party in the pockets of corporate greed on a far bigger scale than the vandalism of the Crooked House. The Daily Mail, may be on side, but the support of the populist far right can be assumed anyway and the readership of these populist rags is falling apart.
The moderates in the shires and suburbs are going to be very turned off by this, and that could see the wholesale defection of the Shires away from the Tories to the Lib Dems and in some places the Greens. That, I think, will cause far more damage than the Faragist Reform/Reclaim Paper tiger that HYFUD says he fears so much.
can it be arson if it is your own property? I don't think the planning enforcement issue is particularly straightforward, I think it would go to a public Inquiry. If the notice ultimately gets upheld and they have to rebuild the pub then the holding company could just go bust and the site stays empty.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
The "Demolition for Safety Reasons" looks weak - especially since access for fire engines was blocked, while a JCB happened to be conveniently on site.
"We had to destroy the pub to save it!"
They do not get to choose, the local Planners do, and they were on site and can confirm that the demolition was illegal. It is a clear breach and is going to end up being very expensive.
The demolition so soon after the fire was a giant red flag. Even after such damage you just don't get permission that fast, so if the fire was not intentional it could have just waited, and if it was intentional they still could have.
It’s looking increasingly like this is going to end up a neat little morality tale, with the crooked house being rebuilt (can it be rebuilt crooked though, under building regs?) and the developers bang to rights.
The future of the pub then, if rebuilt - but who pays? Developer will immediately declare bankruptcy of course - is probably more golden than it was before. Given a nice makeover it could become a bit of a tourist draw.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I think not. I think the Police may well find arson and wilful destruction and the Planners can insist on a full rebuild. If this is the case then the directors are very likely to be declared to be not "fit and proper" and may end up being disbarred for good measure.
Primie Facie, a nasty case of developer greed and public outrage will force the restitution of the pub.
As for the impact on the Conservatives, None I think, personally, they may be fools, but so far only Baroness Mone seems to be thought of as an out-and-out crook personally, though that could of course certainly change..
On the other hand, the opposition can now start to paint the Tories back tracking on green policies as a corrupt party in the pockets of corporate greed on a far bigger scale than the vandalism of the Crooked House. The Daily Mail, may be on side, but the support of the populist far right can be assumed anyway and the readership of these populist rags is falling apart.
The moderates in the shires and suburbs are going to be very turned off by this, and that could see the wholesale defection of the Shires away from the Tories to the Lib Dems and in some places the Greens. That, I think, will cause far more damage than the Faragist Reform/Reclaim Paper tiger that HYFUD says he fears so much.
can it be arson if it is your own property? I don't think the planning enforcement issue is particularly straightforward, I think it would go to a public Inquiry. If the notice ultimately gets upheld and they have to rebuild the pub then the holding company could just go bust and the site stays empty.
Yes, it’s arson and fraud if you intend to claim on an insurance policy, or to get around a preservation/listing order.
On the demolition, it’s not unusual for authorities to order the rapid demolition of an unstable building, but that would need in this case to be in connection with fire, police, and the local council.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I think not. I think the Police may well find arson and wilful destruction and the Planners can insist on a full rebuild. If this is the case then the directors are very likely to be declared to be not "fit and proper" and may end up being disbarred for good measure.
Primie Facie, a nasty case of developer greed and public outrage will force the restitution of the pub.
As for the impact on the Conservatives, None I think, personally, they may be fools, but so far only Baroness Mone seems to be thought of as an out-and-out crook personally, though that could of course certainly change..
On the other hand, the opposition can now start to paint the Tories back tracking on green policies as a corrupt party in the pockets of corporate greed on a far bigger scale than the vandalism of the Crooked House. The Daily Mail, may be on side, but the support of the populist far right can be assumed anyway and the readership of these populist rags is falling apart.
The moderates in the shires and suburbs are going to be very turned off by this, and that could see the wholesale defection of the Shires away from the Tories to the Lib Dems and in some places the Greens. That, I think, will cause far more damage than the Faragist Reform/Reclaim Paper tiger that HYFUD says he fears so much.
can it be arson if it is your own property? I don't think the planning enforcement issue is particularly straightforward, I think it would go to a public Inquiry. If the notice ultimately gets upheld and they have to rebuild the pub then the holding company could just go bust and the site stays empty.
Arson is committed "if a person without lawful excuse destroys or damages any property by fire, intending to destroy or damage any such property or being reckless as to whether any such property would be destroyed or damaged."
Obv you have a better chance of establishing "lawful excuse" if it's your own property, but the fact you own it is not a get out of jail card.
From the Special Counsel's response to the Trump team's motion about a protective order, I think this paragraph is legalese for 'Nice try, mate', with the bit in bold being 'Yeah, right'.
I'm totally sure lawyers propose wording that can be read broadly but would never take advantage of that. n paragraph 3 (and relatedly in paragraph 9), the defendant proposes replacing the language regarding “persons employed to assist in the defense” with “persons assisting in the defense (defined as including any attorneys, investigators, paralegals, support staff, consultants, or expert witnesses who are advising or assisting defense counsel.).” In a meet-and-confer call, defense counsel stated that their intention is that this language should not be read as broadly as its plain wording, and indicated a willingness to work on language to that effect. The defendant’s proposed language is boundless and would allow virtually any volunteer to access discovery, as well as any co-conspirator or fact witness. The Government’s language is more definite https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.15.0_1.pdf
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
After a decade of naively giving it everything it wanted (deregulation, defunding local government, a permissive planning system) the trend in this field has been lots of new legislation on to the development industry, largely in reaction to Grenfell, and stopping all new development in constituencies it hopes to win. A few weeks ago Gove refused planning consent for the demolition of M and S on Oxford Street - a building that had been turned down for listing twice.
I wouldn't be suprised if the next thing he comes out with is a 'grade 3 listing', as loobied for by some architects - essentially requiring that buildings with some architectural value and merit cannot be demolished.
We should perhaps have inverse grading system as well so that there is a presumption of allowing for the demolition of buildings with no architectural merit.
The emerging presumption is against demolition because of its environmental impact and embodied carbon. There are powerful forces in the architecture and development industry that are trying to 'decarbonise' the industry. I've also read stuff which is straying in to communism, like they shouldn't be building flats in London that are rented out as airbnb's, and that they need to be building houses for the homeless because 'the public sector has failed'. How this agenda gets reconciled with the idea of making profit in a free market economy is difficult to assess.
Not sure you have entirely got the point of this nonsense. It is to be virtuous, edgy and pure. Profit is a dirty word.
Aaaand this is exactly what I am on about. You think you are with it and groovy as fuck, Daddy O, for watching a Bronski Beat video, but you (genuinely) don't see what the fuss is about when an actual contemporary gay man is livid about an actual farcical distortion of gay history. Because it's so comical to see them get all het up.
It's not about signalling, it's about thinking.
I do think, thanks. I might take the same data and come to a different conclusion; that does not mean I am not *thinking*. Or 'signalling' for that matter.
And if you really want to rewarm this discussion (why?) I'd ask you to send me a link to the gent's comments, as I did on the previous thread. Or I might think you are trolling.
[SO else]An object lesson in bringing queer history into disrepute.
Hensher: Exactly
Also Hensher
I increasingly think the drive to queer things has absolutely nothing to do with gay sex, and in many proponents’ case they are rather repulsed by it.
Which I think, if you substitute trans for queer and gay, nails you exactly. Neither the queer nor the trans were put on this earth to furnish a hobby for amiable old straight buffers like you.
Thanks for the link. AS for the rest of your post: grow up. reasonable people can reasonably disagree, and you are just being plain nasty.
We don't disagree. You entertain ideaoids rather than ideas. You think this is harmless. You are in fact cheering on people who castrate 16 year old boys for being gay. I am opposed to this practice. I am not exaggerating or joking.
Now you are bang out of order.
No. If you bothered to research your bandwagons before leaping aboard, you would know exactly what I mean.
To make it quite clear (and I fear this is exactly what you want): I am not "cheering on people who castrate 16 year old boys for being gay." I never have.
Not hackers this time. Rather, some idiot included the names of every PSNI police officer in response to an FOI request.
Does no-one do a check on FOI request responses before they leave the internal systems? That’s an insane story from an InfoSec point of view.
There should always be an independent second pair of eyes on stuff like this, doubly so in such a sensitive agency as the PSNI.
When I was working, I'd always try to leave any email for at least five minutes as a draft before sending, and check over it. Preferably overnight, if I could.
I fear too many people treat emails as if it is an Internet chat, or PB...
Absolutely, always better to sit on something, and see nothing more than an annoying typo on the sent version.
No-one should be using email for FOI request responses though, it should go through a CRM system with multiple checks and signoffs along the way.
This particular case is such an egregious breach of security, that it could result in millions of pounds of costs in giving people new identities and relocating them for security reasons. No way should any employee outside the HR department, have access to a full staff list.
At Company Y, someone in HR sent out a spreadsheet with everyone's salary on it, company-wide. A minute or so later they sent an Outlook recall request. Except a load of us were using SMTP/POP3, and recalls did not work on us ...
I asked for a list of student matric numbers on course 1234 from our central "We Do It Proper" IT a while back and was emailed a spreadsheet full of matric numbers along with home addresses, private emails, country of origin, passport details, etc etc. I couldn't delete it fast enough...
Er whoops. Do you have an ‘information commissioner’, InfoSec manager, or similar role within your organisation, to whom you can report such data breaches? People need to be trained, in order that such mistakes aren’t repeated.
In theory - yes. In practice, unless it's a public-facing "incident" then .... 'meh'. We're great at theatre we are. Tick-boxes ticked to within an inch of their lives...
I had an email just a few weeks ago saying 'A new file has been uploaded to your $secure_files_area!'. Thought 'eh?' and looked at it - very quickly realising it was the Occupational Health records of someone else and their *very* private details of their health issues.
Not hackers this time. Rather, some idiot included the names of every PSNI police officer in response to an FOI request.
Does no-one do a check on FOI request responses before they leave the internal systems? That’s an insane story from an InfoSec point of view.
There should always be an independent second pair of eyes on stuff like this, doubly so in such a sensitive agency as the PSNI.
When I was working, I'd always try to leave any email for at least five minutes as a draft before sending, and check over it. Preferably overnight, if I could.
I fear too many people treat emails as if it is an Internet chat, or PB...
Absolutely, always better to sit on something, and see nothing more than an annoying typo on the sent version.
No-one should be using email for FOI request responses though, it should go through a CRM system with multiple checks and signoffs along the way.
This particular case is such an egregious breach of security, that it could result in millions of pounds of costs in giving people new identities and relocating them for security reasons. No way should any employee outside the HR department, have access to a full staff list.
At Company Y, someone in HR sent out a spreadsheet with everyone's salary on it, company-wide. A minute or so later they sent an Outlook recall request. Except a load of us were using SMTP/POP3, and recalls did not work on us ...
I asked for a list of student matric numbers on course 1234 from our central "We Do It Proper" IT a while back and was emailed a spreadsheet full of matric numbers along with home addresses, private emails, country of origin, passport details, etc etc. I couldn't delete it fast enough...
Er whoops. Do you have an ‘information commissioner’, InfoSec manager, or similar role within your organisation, to whom you can report such data breaches? People need to be trained, in order that such mistakes aren’t repeated.
In theory - yes. In practice, unless it's a public-facing "incident" then .... 'meh'. We're great at theatre we are. Tick-boxes ticked to within an inch of their lives...
I had an email just a few weeks ago saying 'A new file has been uploaded to your $secure_files_area!'. Thought 'eh?' and looked at it - very quickly realising it was the Occupational Health records of someone else and their *very* private details of their health issues.
Aaaand this is exactly what I am on about. You think you are with it and groovy as fuck, Daddy O, for watching a Bronski Beat video, but you (genuinely) don't see what the fuss is about when an actual contemporary gay man is livid about an actual farcical distortion of gay history. Because it's so comical to see them get all het up.
It's not about signalling, it's about thinking.
I do think, thanks. I might take the same data and come to a different conclusion; that does not mean I am not *thinking*. Or 'signalling' for that matter.
And if you really want to rewarm this discussion (why?) I'd ask you to send me a link to the gent's comments, as I did on the previous thread. Or I might think you are trolling.
[SO else]An object lesson in bringing queer history into disrepute.
Hensher: Exactly
Also Hensher
I increasingly think the drive to queer things has absolutely nothing to do with gay sex, and in many proponents’ case they are rather repulsed by it.
Which I think, if you substitute trans for queer and gay, nails you exactly. Neither the queer nor the trans were put on this earth to furnish a hobby for amiable old straight buffers like you.
Thanks for the link. AS for the rest of your post: grow up. reasonable people can reasonably disagree, and you are just being plain nasty.
We don't disagree. You entertain ideaoids rather than ideas. You think this is harmless. You are in fact cheering on people who castrate 16 year old boys for being gay. I am opposed to this practice. I am not exaggerating or joking.
Now you are bang out of order.
No. If you bothered to research your bandwagons before leaping aboard, you would know exactly what I mean.
To make it quite clear (and I fear this is exactly what you want): I am not "cheering on people who castrate 16 year old boys for being gay." I never have.
Not explicitly, no. Obviously. But yes by implication, because you can't be arsed to research, or think about, the people you are explicitly aligning yourself with. you are living proof of the perils of intellectual laziness.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I wonder if “Crooked House” will start to resonate on the national political stage
It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
It was bought by a developer whilst a grade II listing was being sought. It accidentally caught fire, and on the grounds of safety the developer decided to demolish. After a year or two of planning appeals, the developer developed. The end.
I think not. I think the Police may well find arson and wilful destruction and the Planners can insist on a full rebuild. If this is the case then the directors are very likely to be declared to be not "fit and proper" and may end up being disbarred for good measure.
Primie Facie, a nasty case of developer greed and public outrage will force the restitution of the pub.
As for the impact on the Conservatives, None I think, personally, they may be fools, but so far only Baroness Mone seems to be thought of as an out-and-out crook personally, though that could of course certainly change..
On the other hand, the opposition can now start to paint the Tories back tracking on green policies as a corrupt party in the pockets of corporate greed on a far bigger scale than the vandalism of the Crooked House. The Daily Mail, may be on side, but the support of the populist far right can be assumed anyway and the readership of these populist rags is falling apart.
The moderates in the shires and suburbs are going to be very turned off by this, and that could see the wholesale defection of the Shires away from the Tories to the Lib Dems and in some places the Greens. That, I think, will cause far more damage than the Faragist Reform/Reclaim Paper tiger that HYFUD says he fears so much.
can it be arson if it is your own property? I don't think the planning enforcement issue is particularly straightforward, I think it would go to a public Inquiry. If the notice ultimately gets upheld and they have to rebuild the pub then the holding company could just go bust and the site stays empty.
To the first, oh yes.
For the same reason, people will not be allowed permission to replace/significally renovate a listed building say which is in unusable condition, if it is established they deliberately neglected it in order that they could get permission to develop.
To the second, I know less about enforcement than I do about planning generally, but I thought usually an enforcement order is made, and the courts involved if it gets contested, I was not aware an Inquiry would get involved.
Aaaand this is exactly what I am on about. You think you are with it and groovy as fuck, Daddy O, for watching a Bronski Beat video, but you (genuinely) don't see what the fuss is about when an actual contemporary gay man is livid about an actual farcical distortion of gay history. Because it's so comical to see them get all het up.
It's not about signalling, it's about thinking.
I do think, thanks. I might take the same data and come to a different conclusion; that does not mean I am not *thinking*. Or 'signalling' for that matter.
And if you really want to rewarm this discussion (why?) I'd ask you to send me a link to the gent's comments, as I did on the previous thread. Or I might think you are trolling.
[SO else]An object lesson in bringing queer history into disrepute.
Hensher: Exactly
Also Hensher
I increasingly think the drive to queer things has absolutely nothing to do with gay sex, and in many proponents’ case they are rather repulsed by it.
Which I think, if you substitute trans for queer and gay, nails you exactly. Neither the queer nor the trans were put on this earth to furnish a hobby for amiable old straight buffers like you.
Thanks for the link. AS for the rest of your post: grow up. reasonable people can reasonably disagree, and you are just being plain nasty.
We don't disagree. You entertain ideaoids rather than ideas. You think this is harmless. You are in fact cheering on people who castrate 16 year old boys for being gay. I am opposed to this practice. I am not exaggerating or joking.
Now you are bang out of order.
No. If you bothered to research your bandwagons before leaping aboard, you would know exactly what I mean.
To make it quite clear (and I fear this is exactly what you want): I am not "cheering on people who castrate 16 year old boys for being gay." I never have.
Not explicitly, no. Obviously. But yes by implication, because you can't be arsed to research, or think about, the people you are explicitly aligning yourself with. you are living proof of the perils of intellectual laziness.
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https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1688941957744082945
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior
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It is a perfect story for a Labour Party which seeks to brand the Tories as greedy venal capitalists who have turned the nation into a mirror image of themselves. Britain is “This Crooked House” where the rich do what they like and trample on the little people and their stupid pubs. The brewing company Marstons now, also, has tough questions to answer
It is obviously striking home in a way few stories like this ever do. It does seem to summarise a mood. Enough.
And it’s not good for billionaire Sunak and chums
The Saudis are pissed off at Russia, for not cutting production as agreed in the recent past, and for now using Ukranian food exports as a weapon against the Middle East.
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4499457/#Comment_4499457
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66445452
Not hackers this time. Rather, some idiot included the names of every PSNI police officer in response to an FOI request.
The other day I saw Bronski Beat's 'Smalltown Boy' video for the first time. Goes well with the lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88sARuFu-tc
"Greenpeace admitted that its claims that the Spar contained 5500 tonnes of oil were inaccurate and apologized to Shell on 5 September. This preempted the publication of DNV's report, which endorsed Shell's initial estimates for many pollutants."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Spar
There should always be an independent second pair of eyes on stuff like this, doubly so in such a sensitive agency as the PSNI.
One of the best pop videos because it’s so classically British kitchen sink drama.
I fear too many people treat emails as if it is an Internet chat, or PB...
It's not about signalling, it's about thinking.
(In fact, if I remember the newspaper report correctly, they were told to demolish *parts* of the structure that were dangerous, They went ahead and demolished all of it. And that screams 'guilty' to me.)
I wouldn't be suprised if the next thing he comes out with is a 'grade 3 listing', as loobied for by some architects - essentially requiring that buildings with some architectural value and merit cannot be demolished.
No-one should be using email for FOI request responses though, it should go through a CRM system with multiple checks and signoffs along the way.
This particular case is such an egregious breach of security, that it could result in millions of pounds of costs in giving people new identities and relocating them for security reasons. No way should any employee outside the HR department, have access to a full staff list.
And if you really want to rewarm this discussion (why?) I'd ask you to send me a link to the gent's comments, as I did on the previous thread. Or I might think you are trolling.
It is resonating
Thanks for the replies to my slightly grouchy post on the last thread (and the 15 likes) - I take the point that there's not much happening in UK politics at the moment. Should warm up in a couple of months with the party conferences...
As a side note, a 35-year-old at the next election, will have likely had an iPhone and a Facebook account since they were 18. Definitely nothing to be dug up there…
Western capitals refused to give Ukraine fighter planes & long-range missiles, then have spent the last few months complaining that Ukraine isn't making rapid enough progress, despite fighting a larger, stronger foe without the weapons Kyiv has asked for.
https://nitter.net/OzKaterji/status/1688925797267238916#m
Things were much more exciting in the days of ?Yougov's? nightly polls...
Ed Green, suspended by the Conservative Party ahead of Havering Council's Upminster by-election, has defended a Facebook post mocking Greta Thunberg.
https://twitter.com/RomfordRecorder/status/1688898741250711552
The summary really doesn't do the story justice.
Not as trendy though.
https://twitter.com/PhilipHensher/status/1688885747275763712
[SO else]An object lesson in bringing queer history into disrepute.
Hensher: Exactly
Also Hensher
I increasingly think the drive to queer things has absolutely nothing to do with gay sex, and in many proponents’ case they are rather repulsed by it.
Which I think, if you substitute trans for queer and gay, nails you exactly. Neither the queer nor the trans were put on this earth to furnish a hobby for amiable old straight buffers like you.
In fact I once suggested to OGH that posters here should be required to publish this information at the head of each contribution, but for some reason he never took this up.
"His Facebook posts included mocking autistic climate campaigner Greta Thunberg, supporting Andrew Bridgen MP after he compared Covid vaccines to the Holocaust and referring to a gay journalist as living a “monkeypox prone life”.
He also described a black woman as “a race baiting attention whore”, and shared offensive caricatures of Muslim men."
ETA he called Thunberg "a little autistic messiah."
I can't help but be struck by the fact that after spending the whole summer posting It's always warmish/There's always a couple of fires in summer, you leap in to defend an indefensible attack on GT. The planet is warming. It is not making an elaborate pretence of doing so, to spite you personally. Get used to it.
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@ElectCalculus
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https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1688978277665320961
He also described a black woman as “a race baiting attention whore”, and shared offensive caricatures of Muslim men...
https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/23707903.suspended-conservative-ed-green-defends-greta-thunberg-post/
This is one of those issues where media can undermine the story by tip toeing around details (like when criticising something someone said, but not saying what it was, so the reader doesn't know how offended to be), but at least here they included images.
Primie Facie, a nasty case of developer greed and public outrage will force the restitution of the pub.
As for the impact on the Conservatives, None I think, personally, they may be fools, but so far only Baroness Mone seems to be thought of as an out-and-out crook personally, though that could of course certainly change..
On the other hand, the opposition can now start to paint the Tories back tracking on green policies as a corrupt party in the pockets of corporate greed on a far bigger scale than the vandalism of the Crooked House. The Daily Mail, may be on side, but the support of the populist far right can be assumed anyway and the readership of these populist rags is falling apart.
The moderates in the shires and suburbs are going to be very turned off by this, and that could see the wholesale defection of the Shires away from the Tories to the Lib Dems and in some places the Greens. That, I think, will cause far more damage than the Faragist Reform/Reclaim Paper tiger that HYFUD says he fears so much.
Possibly in a few years we'll (DM excluded) have gotten past the 'OMG! $person did WHAT when they were a teenager?!?!?!"
I’ll almost guarantee that someone in their thirties, standing as a candidate in 2024, posted something like “the only problem with gassing the Jews, is that they only did six million of them and missed out the rest”, in 2006, to an audience of about three, totally devoid of context and likely to have been an in-joke among friends at the time - and totally forgotten about until a journalist picks up on it a few weeks before the election.
I don't think the planning enforcement issue is particularly straightforward, I think it would go to a public Inquiry. If the notice ultimately gets upheld and they have to rebuild the pub then the holding company could just go bust and the site stays empty.
developers bang to rights.
The future of the pub then, if rebuilt - but who pays? Developer will immediately declare bankruptcy of course - is probably more golden than it was before. Given a nice makeover it could become a bit of a tourist draw.
On the demolition, it’s not unusual for authorities to order the rapid demolition of an unstable building, but that would need in this case to be in connection with fire, police, and the local council.
Obv you have a better chance of establishing "lawful excuse" if it's your own property, but the fact you own it is not a get out of jail card.
I'm totally sure lawyers propose wording that can be read broadly but would never take advantage of that.
n paragraph 3 (and relatedly in paragraph 9), the defendant proposes replacing the
language regarding “persons employed to assist in the defense” with “persons
assisting in the defense (defined as including any attorneys, investigators,
paralegals, support staff, consultants, or expert witnesses who are advising or
assisting defense counsel.).” In a meet-and-confer call, defense counsel stated that
their intention is that this language should not be read as broadly as its plain
wording, and indicated a willingness to work on language to that effect. The
defendant’s proposed language is boundless and would allow virtually any
volunteer to access discovery, as well as any co-conspirator or fact witness. The
Government’s language is more definite
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.15.0_1.pdf
I had an email just a few weeks ago saying 'A new file has been uploaded to your $secure_files_area!'. Thought 'eh?' and looked at it - very quickly realising it was the Occupational Health records of someone else and their *very* private details of their health issues.
"Oops! 'The System' must have gone funny!"
So that's fine.
For the same reason, people will not be allowed permission to replace/significally renovate a listed building say which is in unusable condition, if it is established they deliberately neglected it in order that they could get permission to develop.
To the second, I know less about enforcement than I do about planning generally, but I thought usually an enforcement order is made, and the courts involved if it gets contested, I was not aware an Inquiry would get involved.
So the C4 poll is worthless.