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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288

    Much of what you say may be true, but the prediction that veganism will die out is unlikely given that various forms of vegetarianism have persisted throughout history.
    I think vegetarianism is different, not least because they get some animal products in their diet through dairy and the like, and funnily enough I've never found them preachy or problematic.

    Vegans are different.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136

    Much of what you say may be true, but the prediction that veganism will die out is unlikely given that various forms of vegetarianism have persisted throughout history.
    I think we will look back at meat-eating in 100 years time like we now look back at the slave trade.

    Bacon and sausage roll for me this morning.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Eabhal said:

    At least you got "Humza" right.

    In a country full of Gaelic place names, we hardly have an excuse for getting the spelling wrong.
    And Brythonic, and Pictish, not to mention some of the more eccentric Norman and Anglic.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,173

    Much of what you say may be true, but the prediction that veganism will die out is unlikely given that various forms of vegetarianism have persisted throughout history.
    I think it is much more likely, once they have produced vegetable products at a reasonable price that taste like meat, that it will become ubiquitous. And I say that as an unapologetic carnivore.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136
    Carnyx said:

    By the way, @Eabhal , that discussion yesterday about that regular cyclists demo in Edinburgh was very useful - I'd never been able to understand whjat the hell was happening when they nearly ran me over, and it is good to be reassured that I wasn't imagining it. Though it only removes the insanity one step out. And I can tell you they all ran through a red - wasn't a matter of the lights changing while the peloton (!) was proceeding over the junction. Bastards. Next time it's straight to B&Q website for a bulk bucket of carpet tacks. (Not really. But it is certainly the sentiment they provoked.)

    I think your experience 20 (?) years ago would be very different to what it is now.

    Plenty of cyclists run reds routinely, particularly delivery cyclists, and I don't like it either as it gives us a bad name. I get frustrated when people equate this to a car doing the same though given the likely outcomes of being hit by each.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    edited August 2023
    Every vegan I've met or know has been super keen to ensure I don't alter my eating habits one iota if we are socialising over food and have wanted to cause as little fuss as possible.

    I have no doubt there are militant vegans out there but has anyone on here actually met one.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Eabhal said:

    I think we will look back at meat-eating in 100 years time like we now look back at the slave trade.

    Bacon and sausage roll for me this morning.
    In a hundred years? Most assuredly, folk will be posting on PB how eating venison but not bacon is part of the Woke plague rotting the soul of the West.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136
    DavidL said:

    Yes, it is indeed. As Barry Smith KC, part time AD, must surely appreciate. Having said that, maybe the Scottish government wanted to be vindicated on this non existent allegation before the end of time.
    Just seems a bit pointless. I'm sure he's got better things to be doing.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288

    Some are 'preachy, whiny and annoying', as I mentioned. Most are not.

    People make other life choices from you: if you cannot deal with that, then that is your problem, not theirs.
    Er, no. I was talking about what I found attractive and what put me on or off.

    Their choices would cause problems for me and restrict my lifestyle and this would put me off.

    The fact you might make a different choice is quite beside the point, unless you think the only acceptable choices in life are ones that you would make - which would be stunningly arrogant.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,926
    Eabhal said:

    I think we will look back at meat-eating in 100 years time like we now look back at the slave trade.

    Bacon and sausage roll for me this morning.
    Bacon sandwiches this morning for the S family as we use up what’s in the fridge before departing the Derby Dales.

    Going to pop into the recommended Scarthin books before we leave.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,347
    TimS said:

    Looks like Ukraine managed to sink, or at least heavily damage, another Russian warship.

    https://twitter.com/tendar/status/1687353705530830848?s=46

    Good Thursday night for both Ukraine and the Lib Dems then.

    That does look rather definitive - unless there was another careless smoking incident.

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,347
    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    Eabhal said:

    I think we will look back at meat-eating in 100 years time like we now look back at the slave trade.

    Bacon and sausage roll for me this morning.
    No, that's absolute absurd and hyperbolic nonsense.

    I think, by contrast, it will actually go into reverse as we come to realise how irrational and nonsensical it is.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,207

    Much of what you say may be true, but the prediction that veganism will die out is unlikely given that various forms of vegetarianism have persisted throughout history.
    Veganism is more like teetotalism than prohibition. A bit sanctimonious at times, but not forcing a lifestyle on others.

    Teetotalism is going strong. Indeed we have a teetotal PM.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    Foxy said:

    Your remark puts me in mind of this classic burn:


    You can think what you like.

    I don't find vegans attractive and it would be a dealbreaker for me in a relationship.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,476
    Dr. Foxy, it's somewhat different to being teetotal, though.

    If you dine out with a teetotaller, they just don't order beer or wine. If you dine out with a vegan, you have to go somewhere with vegan food.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,689

    That does look rather definitive - unless there was another careless smoking incident.

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
    This is literally true, I suppose.
    Marine drones attacked the Russian naval base in Novorossiysk (southern Russia) last night

    All drones were destroyed, Russia's Defense Ministry reported.

    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1687337680462344192
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,396
    edited August 2023
    It would be fair to say the comments (those that haven’t been deleted) are largely unsympathetic, mainly around how a failed in Sheffield parachuted in celebrity won’t oust the Greens:

    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23699795.eddie-izzard-run-labour-mp-candidate-brighton/?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136
    edited August 2023

    Er, no. I was talking about what I found attractive and what put me on or off.

    Their choices would cause problems for me and restrict my lifestyle and this would put me off.

    The fact you might make a different choice is quite beside the point, unless you think the only acceptable choices in life are ones that you would make - which would be stunningly arrogant.
    The problem with this is the standard young person going out on dates tends to be on the left, cares about the environment, perhaps vegetarian/vegan, does lots of cycling/running/climbing/hiking. And they choose partners with similar interests.

    So if you can't fancy anyone like that, you're highly likely to end up in that large group of people (particularly men) who can't find a partner.

    Which makes sense - survival of the fittest.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,207

    Dr. Foxy, it's somewhat different to being teetotal, though.

    If you dine out with a teetotaller, they just don't order beer or wine. If you dine out with a vegan, you have to go somewhere with vegan food.

    No, not very different at all. Most restaurants have a vegan choice on the menu nowadays.

    If you want a relationship with someone, then you need to be open to change, otherwise you are looking for a slave, not a partner.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136

    No, that's absolute absurd and hyperbolic nonsense.

    I think, by contrast, it will actually go into reverse as we come to realise how irrational and nonsensical it is.
    Your guess is as good as mine.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    TOPPING said:

    Every vegan I've met or know has been super keen to ensure I don't alter my eating habits one iota if we are socialising over food and have wanted to cause as little fuss as possible.

    I have no doubt there are militant vegans out there but has anyone on here actually met one.

    Yes.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703

    You can think what you like.

    I don't find vegans attractive and it would be a dealbreaker for me in a relationship.
    What else was on the list?
  • It would be fair to say the comments (those that haven’t been deleted) are largely unsympathetic, mainly around how a failed in Sheffield parachuted in celebrity won’t oust the Greens:

    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23699795.eddie-izzard-run-labour-mp-candidate-brighton/?

    Sheffield reject.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    Eabhal said:

    The problem with this is the standard young person going out on dates tends to be on the left, cares about the environment, perhaps vegetarian/vegan, does lots of cycling/running/climbing/hiking. And they choose partners with similar interests.

    So if you can't fancy anyone like that, you're highly likely to end up in that large group of people (particularly men) who can't find a partner.

    Which makes sense - survival of the fittest.
    This is a but of a myth. I work with lots of young people at work and the vast majority eat meat. And they're far more rational and reasonable, and willing to listen, than perhaps you might give them credit for.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    TOPPING said:

    What else was on the list?
    Smoking.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,173

    It would be fair to say the comments (those that haven’t been deleted) are largely unsympathetic, mainly around how a failed in Sheffield parachuted in celebrity won’t oust the Greens:

    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23699795.eddie-izzard-run-labour-mp-candidate-brighton/?

    My conclusion is that they are probably right and SKS is a little more cunning than he looks.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,619
    Alberta pulls out of the race to host the 2030 Commonwealth games due to rising costs

    Surely the future of the Commonwealth Games is now very much in doubt

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66402140
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,521
    edited August 2023
    Eabhal said:

    At least you got "Humza" right.

    In a country full of Gaelic place names, we hardly have an excuse for getting the spelling wrong.
    My apologies.

    I did of course mean ‘Humza Useless.’

    I blame autocorrect.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,619
    Foxy said:

    No, not very different at all. Most restaurants have a vegan choice on the menu nowadays.

    If you want a relationship with someone, then you need to be open to change, otherwise you are looking for a slave, not a partner.
    Not a slave, a kindred spirit.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    Foxy said:

    Veganism is more like teetotalism than prohibition. A bit sanctimonious at times, but not forcing a lifestyle on others.

    Teetotalism is going strong. Indeed we have a teetotal PM.
    Humans have been eating animal products since the dawn of time, and indeed we've evolved to need some of them in our diet.

    The issue today might be that there are too many of us and we're overconsuming them, but the answer to that isn't total abstinence. It's to eat a lower more moderate amount.

    Vegans are simply a religious anti-reaction to this, and it does not follow through to a logical conclusion.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,521
    Foxy said:

    Veganism is more like teetotalism than prohibition. A bit sanctimonious at times, but not forcing a lifestyle on others.

    Teetotalism is going strong. Indeed we have a teetotal PM.
    although he’s getting lots of free boos at every event.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,521
    Taz said:

    Alberta pulls out of the race to host the 2030 Commonwealth games due to rising costs

    Surely the future of the Commonwealth Games is now very much in doubt

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66402140

    ’in doubt?’ I would have said that’s pretty optimistic.
  • The few vegans I know love roast potatoes cooked in very hot sunflower oil. That solves the catering problem. Give them those, some mushrooms and a decent tomato sauce and you’re sorted. They’re not fussy, just grateful you’ve taken a bit of time to accommodate them.

    I am sure Casino would get on with these people:

    https://www.veganconservatives.org.uk/
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136

    Humans have been eating animal products since the dawn of time, and indeed we've evolved to need some of them in our diet.

    The issue today might be that there are too many of us and we're overconsuming them, but the answer to that isn't total abstinence. It's to eat a lower more moderate amount.

    Vegans are simply a religious anti-reaction to this, and it does not follow through to a logical conclusion.
    I only date people who scavenge for berries and hunt deer with their bare hands.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,173

    Smoking.
    As in smoking hot? Or just on fire? I can see the latter in fairness.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,207
    ydoethur said:

    although he’s getting lots of free boos at every event.
    And liable to get smashed, though we may not like the hangover much either.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Eabhal said:

    I only date people who scavenge for berries and hunt deer with their bare hands.

    Raquel Welch obviously had a big impact on the young Eabhal, I see.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,521
    DavidL said:

    As in smoking hot? Or just on fire? I can see the latter in fairness.
    Tom Baker once said he went out with a girl who smelled like a bonfire. Does that count?

    (When asked if she was a witch he said, ‘she may have been a witch but phoof, she was a goer.’)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091

    Apart from despising Bud Light and thinking a real beer is definitely better, yes you're right.

    It is choice, not moral codes.

    I am pro-choice. I respect others rights to make their choices, I just ask that they respect my choice to make mine.
    Zealots of any kind should be put down.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,619
    ydoethur said:

    Tom Baker once said he went out with a girl who smelled like a bonfire. Does that count?

    (When asked if she was a witch he said, ‘she may have been a witch but phoof, she was a goer.’)
    Reminds me of the old Popbitch story "Tom's putting it in now" :wink:
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,173
    malcolmg said:

    Zealots of any kind should be put down.
    Be careful of what you wish for.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,326
    Nigelb said:

    .

    I'm sure she'll reconsider her dietary choices, if you let her know.
    Would you like to try some meat probably not the best approach though.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Dudley Council in Cradley Wollescote Ward Result.

    LD Gain in Dudley from LAB

    Lib Dem 1321
    Labour 771
    Con 353
    Green 79
    TUSC 5
    #WINNINGHERESKSFANSPLEASEEXPLAIN
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,347
    Nigelb said:

    This is literally true, I suppose.
    Marine drones attacked the Russian naval base in Novorossiysk (southern Russia) last night

    All drones were destroyed, Russia's Defense Ministry reported.

    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1687337680462344192
    "Our battleship's hull successfully destroyed the Ukrainian Nazi regime's drone!"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,689
    This sounds uncomfortable.

    Phoenix’s extreme heat withers saguaros, trademark cactus of desert landscape
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/03/phoenix-extreme-heat-withers-saguaros-cactus
    ...As of Wednesday, there was no rain in the forecast for Phoenix anytime soon according to the National Weather Service. After two days of a slight drop, high temperatures reached 111F (43.9C) and are expected to be 110F or more for the next 10 days.

    The Weather Service plans to issue an extreme heat warning Friday through Monday, when the highs will be between 111F (43.9C) and 117F (47.2C)...
  • Taz said:

    Alberta pulls out of the race to host the 2030 Commonwealth games due to rising costs

    Surely the future of the Commonwealth Games is now very much in doubt

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66402140

    The pound shop Olympics are over.

    The Commonwealth is headed the same way.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,207

    Dudley Council in Cradley Wollescote Ward Result.

    LD Gain in Dudley from LAB

    Lib Dem 1321
    Labour 771
    Con 353
    Green 79
    TUSC 5
    #WINNINGHERESKSFANSPLEASEEXPLAIN

    Dudley used to be Brexit central, and everyone hates the LDs and won't vote for them according to @Pagan2
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,798

    Dr. Foxy, it's somewhat different to being teetotal, though.

    If you dine out with a teetotaller, they just don't order beer or wine. If you dine out with a vegan, you have to go somewhere with vegan food.

    And that's only the start of it. If you live with a teetotaller, you just drink separate drinks. If you live with a vegan, you have to cook two separate meals every mealtime.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,254
    Well done Sadiq on making the scrappage scheme available to all Londoners. Funny how he has managed that as in the last couple of weeks regularly been told on here that would be impossible.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,689
    Jonathan said:

    It’s funny what love can do. My wife’s uncle was a ukip/Tory type. In late life he’s met a lady and fell in love. He is now a vegan and delivers Labour leaflets in his classic Bentley.

    "Oh, I would do anything for love
    I would do anything for love
    But I won't do that
    No, I won't do that.."
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,347

    Er, no. I was talking about what I found attractive and what put me on or off.

    Their choices would cause problems for me and restrict my lifestyle and this would put me off.

    The fact you might make a different choice is quite beside the point, unless you think the only acceptable choices in life are ones that you would make - which would be stunningly arrogant.
    But as I said, that's your issue, and your problem.

    As an example: I don't like tattoos. For some reason, I just don't like them. They're a bit of a turn-off, and I have to try not to judge people who have them.

    But the important point is this: I understand that's my issue, and my problem, and I try not to let that judgement affect the way I interact with people who have tattoos. Now if they start suggesting I get a tattoo, I'd laugh at them - because I don't like tattoos. But I won't treat them any differently because of their choice.

    In fact, I recognise that some tattoos are cool: like the lady I met who got one star / dot added for every year she had been clear of cancer, on the anniversary of receiving the all-clear.

    Most of all: I think your comparison of veganism with smoking to be utterly ridiculous and childish. Pathetic, in fact. Oh dear, you might occasionally have to change what you eat to cater for someone else. What an *awful* imposition. It's exactly the same as killing me with second-hand smoke.

    Not.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    Eabhal said:

    One is possible, one is not (unless you want to knock down lots of buildings). 71% of all journeys are under 5 miles. The cost-effective thing is to get people either using public transport, walking, or cycling (in descending order).
    For that you need decent public transport , ie mnot standing for anything up to several hours for your bus, who is going to walk 5 miles for a pint of milk , lots of people would not ever wish to be on a bike. Stop eating quinoa salads, dump teh sandals and get your head into the real world.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,689
    Cookie said:

    And that's only the start of it. If you live with a teetotaller, you just drink separate drinks. If you live with a vegan, you have to cook two separate meals every mealtime.
    You don't have to.
    I don't have vegans in the family, and remain fond of meat, but I cook plenty of meals which could be eaten by vegans.
    Especially since I had to cut down on salt; unsalted butter just isn't worth bothering with.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091

    FPT:
    Dr. Foxy said: "Countries need to be helped to skip the polluting phase of growth. Indeed many less developed counties are ideal for solar power."

    I agree with that -- which is why I was so disturbed by the conclusions in this WaPo article: "About 4,000 solar mini-grids have been installed in India, of which 3,300 are government financed and owned, according to information collected early this year by Smart Power India, a subsidiary of the Rockefeller Foundation, and provided to The Washington Post. Only 5 percent of the government grids are operational, the group found.
    . . .
    A team of Dutch researchers reported in 2017 that in a sample of 29 solar systems in sub-Saharan Africa, only three were fully working. “The reasons cited for failure always point to the same challenges: an absence of local maintenance expertise and a lack of acceptance,” researchers said in an article published by the Conversation.

    An Indian solar expert, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share closed-door conversations, said that the Ugandan government is seeking international help because 80 percent of its 12,000 local solar connections in health-care centers are out of service. Journalistic reports from Nigeria depict a similar situation."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/07/31/india-solar-energy/

    I am enough of an optimist to believe these problems should be solved -- and can be in many less developed countries, but I think we -- and they -- are going to have to look harder at what happens before and after the installations.

    If they sto[pped stealing all eth money sent for development and shooting each other they woudl eb in a lot better shape. Money has flooded in over last 50 years and nothing has changed. Why would even more money for crooks , despots, Wagner etc change anything.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    HYUFD said:

    Though if the interest rate rises do reduce inflation further and that in turn enables rates to fall back, longer term that will help Sunak

    Are you blind , deaf and dumb, he does not have 10 years , his goose is already well and truly cooked.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Foxy said:

    No, not very different at all. Most restaurants have a vegan choice on the menu nowadays.

    If you want a relationship with someone, then you need to be open to change, otherwise you are looking for a slave, not a partner.
    Lots of restaurants have retreated from that in the past year, apparently, because too much faff and falling demand. I think you come out as non-binary these days instead.
  • CD13 said:

    When my daughter was in her teens, she decided to become a vegetarian. There's a happy ending - the smell of frying bacon was enough to bring her back to sanity.

    I've been a vegetarian for nearly 32 years! No regrets!
  • Dudley Council in Cradley Wollescote Ward Result.

    LD Gain in Dudley from LAB

    Lib Dem 1321
    Labour 771
    Con 353
    Green 79
    TUSC 5
    #WINNINGHERESKSFANSPLEASEEXPLAIN

    Only 79 voted Green? BJO please explain!
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,619
    Foxy said:

    Dudley used to be Brexit central, and everyone hates the LDs and won't vote for them according to @Pagan2
    I'd be surprised if that part of it ever was Brexit Central. It is rather nice area surrounded by some lovely countryside. I knew it rather well a few years back.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    viewcode said:

    Most flats in England are leasehold. You don't own the house, you own the lease which gives you the right to live in the house but you must obey certain conditions which are set out in that lease. One of those conditions is "don't make structural additions or alterations". You don't own the walls and will have to ask permission to drill a hole thru the wall and bolt it to the outside. And no you can't fit them into the windows either, for the same reason.

    As has become sadly, wearily, very, obvious, many people on PB are rich or very rich, and find it difficult to understand why you can't just do things. This is the third, fourth or fifth time I've had to explain that there are things you just can't do in flats, and no doubt there'll be a sixth.

    During a fuel crises a Conservative MP was criticised for saying "But why can't people just store fuel in a jerry can in the garage", and people had to patiently explain to him that most people don't have a garage. I get the same vibes here.

    The 1.8M mortgage issue yesterday highlighted your opinion perfectly, if not jetting away to their overseas properties etc they are on complaining about 1st world issues.
  • Dudley Council in Cradley Wollescote Ward Result.

    LD Gain in Dudley from LAB

    Lib Dem 1321
    Labour 771
    Con 353
    Green 79
    TUSC 5
    #WINNINGHERESKSFANSPLEASEEXPLAIN

    No, hard left crankies please explain.

    TUSC 5

    Nobody wants to vote for your kind of socialism. OK, 5 people.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,347

    I've been a vegetarian for nearly 32 years! No regrets!
    On a side note, and partially agreeing with @Casino_Royale ; veganism and vegetarianism is not for everyone. Mrs J was a vegetarian when I met her, and tried veganism. It did not bother me one bit. I loved her, and it was part of what made her her.

    But she started having a certain medical issue. She tried eating fish, and that issue went away. She stopped eating fish, and it returned. She's now pescetarian: she has a can of tuna, or some salmon, twice a week. If she does not, she can be in pain. She doesn't particularly like eating fish, but it's a sensible compromise.

    I don't think she's alone in this.
  • The pound shop Olympics are over.

    The Commonwealth is headed the same way.
    What are the Olympic Games? If you said "sport" you have missed the purpose of the event - to make a shit ton of cash for a corrupt elite.

    Lets scrap the thing and create a new Olympics. One where you don't need to financially destroy the host city / country to hold them.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    MattW said:

    Just had a look. Wow. It's probably important to be careful to say "some elements of the Left."

    The current issue seems to be that she defended David Hirsch.

    The underlying issue imo is that some elements of the 'Palestine Solidarity' type political stream can't admit that some of them tipped over into antisemitism, and are still fighting to defend their delusions.

    Important to say that this is political not just party political - the Greens had similar issues which became public before Corbyn's problems. One name that used 'Israel are like Nazis' rhetoric was one Pippa Bartolotti, former high up in the Welsh Green Party.

    Some of it is when the SWP disintegrated, and where the members and fellow-travellers went, after the Comrade Delta SWP rape scandal. IMO they tended to poison wherever they went.
    They stick their heads up for the publicity and adulation then they should expect to attract the opposite as well.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,207
    CD13 said:

    When my daughter was in her teens, she decided to become a vegetarian. There's a happy ending - the smell of frying bacon was enough to bring her back to sanity.

    Quite a few vegetarians, vegans, diabetics in my extended family, as well as allergies including nuts, oats and lactose. It really isn't that much of a problem with a bit of thought. At family functions we tend to do a buffet, and label things.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,326
    I think it would be fair to say Craig has been on a journey, and that he has now reached his destination.


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,207

    What are the Olympic Games? If you said "sport" you have missed the purpose of the event - to make a shit ton of cash for a corrupt elite.

    Lets scrap the thing and create a new Olympics. One where you don't need to financially destroy the host city / country to hold them.
    It is far too bloated. Strip it back to track and field only.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    Taz said:

    The term "black market" is racist.

    The article also refers to a story about a charity renaming the Vagina a "bonus hole" !!!!

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/black-market-is-racist-phrase-and-should-not-be-used-say-bank-leaders/ar-AA1eKXab?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=109558f9143c4f278a775c2af6488a1e&ei=9

    Is there anything NOT racist nowadays.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136
    malcolmg said:

    For that you need decent public transport , ie mnot standing for anything up to several hours for your bus, who is going to walk 5 miles for a pint of milk , lots of people would not ever wish to be on a bike. Stop eating quinoa salads, dump teh sandals and get your head into the real world.
    I agree! Bus services are rubbish in this country (outside of Edinburgh), and the cost has gone up far more than motoring over the last 20 years.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    DavidL said:

    Maybe Nicola going to the yard and announcing the order before the tendering process had been completed was some sort of a clue?
    All the documentation and evidence has mysteriously disappeared, appears a big boy did it and ran away
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,347
    Foxy said:

    It is far too bloated. Strip it back to track and field only.
    It's quite simple: scrap the IOC and use the Cotswold Olympicks, which have been held for over 400 years:
    https://www.olimpickgames.co.uk/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013

    The pound shop Olympics are over.

    The Commonwealth is headed the same way.
    And the biggest beneficiaries of that would be Moscow and Beijing. For the Commonwealth is a key tool for keeping African, South Asian and Caribbean nations in the orbit of the West, Anglosphere and liberal democracy. Without it many Commonwealth nations would move into the realm of Russia and China.

    In any case there is no need for the Commonwealth Games to be Olympics 2, they should be done cheaply on a budget and just be the friendly games they were set up to be
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    DavidL said:

    I'm supposed to know who Rachel Riley is, aren't I? Its so hard to keep up.
    Usual nobody z lister trying to keep themselves in the public eye
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136
    Smart51 said:

    Tyres lose tiny particles of rubber as they wear. All tyres. Heavy vehicles wear tyres out the most. So a 44 tonne truck will make lots of tyre dust, and a 0.1 tonne bicycle very little. In between, a 7.5 tonne van is worse than a 2 tonne Range Rover, is worse than a 1.5 tonne EV, is worse than a 1 tonne petrol city car.

    Particulates are graded by size. Tyre particles are of the size PM100. Diesel exhaust particulates are of the size PM10 down to PM2.5. For comparison, silt is PM20 to PM50 sand is PM50 to PM2000. PM10s are so small they stay floating in the air and you breathe them in. Go to Weymouth beach (where the sand is so fine it is almost silt) and on a dry, windy day, there is a slight haze of silt dust hovering over the beach. PM50s will float at shin level but quickly fall to the ground. PM100s from tyres don't float in the air, so you don't breathe them in.

    People who quote EV tyre particulates are grasping at straws in the hope of not getting rid of petrol cars. They neglect that their 2 tonne Range Rover is worse than the electric hatchback they oppose, and that lorries are 20 times worse than their Range Rover.
    It's a shame small hatchbacks are getting culled by manufacturers. Volvo are going stop making estates too.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    Eabhal said:

    The problem with this is the standard young person going out on dates tends to be on the left, cares about the environment, perhaps vegetarian/vegan, does lots of cycling/running/climbing/hiking. And they choose partners with similar interests.

    So if you can't fancy anyone like that, you're highly likely to end up in that large group of people (particularly men) who can't find a partner.

    Which makes sense - survival of the fittest.
    This is a but of a myth. I work with lots of young people at work and the vast majority eat meat.

    They w

    But as I said, that's your issue, and your problem.

    As an example: I don't like tattoos. For some reason, I just don't like them. They're a bit of a turn-off, and I have to try not to judge people who have them.

    But the important point is this: I understand that's my issue, and my problem, and I try not to let that judgement affect the way I interact with people who have tattoos. Now if they start suggesting I get a tattoo, I'd laugh at them - because I don't like tattoos. But I won't treat them any differently because of their choice.

    In fact, I recognise that some tattoos are cool: like the lady I met who got one star / dot added for every year she had been clear of cancer, on the anniversary of receiving the all-clear.

    Most of all: I think your comparison of veganism with smoking to be utterly ridiculous and childish. Pathetic, in fact. Oh dear, you might occasionally have to change what you eat to cater for someone else. What an *awful* imposition. It's exactly the same as killing me with second-hand smoke.

    Not.
    The only child on here is you.

    Your posts show you up to be a real dickhead.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,256
    ...
    HYUFD said:

    And the biggest beneficiaries of that would be Moscow and Beijing. For the Commonwealth is a key tool for keeping African, South Asian and Caribbean nations in the orbit of the West, Anglosphere and liberal democracy. Without it many Commonwealth nations would move into the realm of Russia and China.

    In any case there is no need for the Commonwealth Games to be Olympics 2, they should be done cheaply on a budget and just be the friendly games they were set up to be

    Paragraph 1. Too late. Particularly Chinese economic colonialism in Africa.

    Paragraph 2. A permanent home in Birmingham?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288

    The few vegans I know love roast potatoes cooked in very hot sunflower oil. That solves the catering problem. Give them those, some mushrooms and a decent tomato sauce and you’re sorted. They’re not fussy, just grateful you’ve taken a bit of time to accommodate them.

    I am sure Casino would get on with these people:

    https://www.veganconservatives.org.uk/

    So Andrew Boff, and a few nobodies no-one has ever heard of?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    rcs1000 said:

    Ummm:

    I'm about to put an air conditioning unit in my flat in London. Most leaseholders are perfectly willing to let you make changes, so long as you pay for them.

    Sure, you need to get permission, but you make it sound like that is impossible rather than (as most contracts say) "not to be unreasonably withheld".
    Not many talking about penthouses overlooking the Thames though.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,347

    This is a but of a myth. I work with lots of young people at work and the vast majority eat meat.

    They w The only child on here is you.

    Your posts show you up to be a real dickhead.
    Pot. Kettle. Black. ;)
  • malcolmg said:

    Is there anything NOT racist nowadays.
    How do you feel about 'jock strap', Malc?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,396
    Several videos in thread- including of attack:


    Video said to be of the Olenegorsky Gornyak, a Russian Ropucha-class landing ship, listing heavily and under tow back to a naval base at Novorossiysk. The ship appears to have been attacked by a Ukrainian sea drone, and FPV video of the attack has been posted online, see below.

    https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1687369392915402752?s=20
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    CD13 said:

    When my daughter was in her teens, she decided to become a vegetarian. There's a happy ending - the smell of frying bacon was enough to bring her back to sanity.

    I work with a guy at work whose mother raised him as a vegetarian, until he reached the age of 17, stayed with his Uncle and ate a roast. His mother wasn't happy.

    Bear Grylls has also seen the light:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bear-grylls-diet-vegan-carnivore-health-2ss8f0v8n
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    viewcode said:

    Most flats in England are leasehold. You don't own the house, you own the lease which gives you the right to live in the house but you must obey certain conditions which are set out in that lease. One of those conditions is "don't make structural additions or alterations". You don't own the walls and will have to ask permission to drill a hole thru the wall and bolt it to the outside. And no you can't fit them into the windows either, for the same reason.

    As has become sadly, wearily, very, obvious, many people on PB are rich or very rich, and find it difficult to understand why you can't just do things. This is the third, fourth or fifth time I've had to explain that there are things you just can't do in flats, and no doubt there'll be a sixth.

    During a fuel crises a Conservative MP was criticised for saying "But why can't people just store fuel in a jerry can in the garage", and people had to patiently explain to him that most people don't have a garage. I get the same vibes here.

    The 1.8M mortgage issue
    Taz said:

    Alberta pulls out of the race to host the 2030 Commonwealth games due to rising costs

    Surely the future of the Commonwealth Games is now very much in doubt

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66402140

    Total waste of money , time it was dumped.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,312


    Paragraph 2. A permanent home in Birmingham?

    Johnson would have happily spent a billion quid every four years to do that but I highly doubt anyone else would.
  • Well done Sadiq on making the scrappage scheme available to all Londoners. Funny how he has managed that as in the last couple of weeks regularly been told on here that would be impossible.

    Have you?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited August 2023

    But as I said, that's your issue, and your problem.

    As an example: I don't like tattoos. For some reason, I just don't like them. They're a bit of a turn-off, and I have to try not to judge people who have them.

    But the important point is this: I understand that's my issue, and my problem, and I try not to let that judgement affect the way I interact with people who have tattoos. Now if they start suggesting I get a tattoo, I'd laugh at them - because I don't like tattoos. But I won't treat them any differently because of their choice.

    In fact, I recognise that some tattoos are cool: like the lady I met who got one star / dot added for every year she had been clear of cancer, on the anniversary of receiving the all-clear.

    Most of all: I think your comparison of veganism with smoking to be utterly ridiculous and childish. Pathetic, in fact. Oh dear, you might occasionally have to change what you eat to cater for someone else. What an *awful* imposition. It's exactly the same as killing me with second-hand smoke.

    Not.
    You've got an entirely rational basis.

    Passive smoking. And the risks of being tattooed.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971201900451
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136

    I work with a guy at work whose mother raised him as a vegetarian, until he reached the age of 17, stayed with his Uncle and ate a roast. His mother wasn't happy.

    Bear Grylls has also seen the light:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bear-grylls-diet-vegan-carnivore-health-2ss8f0v8n
    Next week in the Mail:

    "Sunak to ban veganism in crackdown on woke"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    Foxy said:

    Quite a few vegetarians, vegans, diabetics in my extended family, as well as allergies including nuts, oats and lactose. It really isn't that much of a problem with a bit of thought. At family functions we tend to do a buffet, and label things.
    When you are living with a vegan you have to consider this stuff every day at home, as well as when you cater or go out for a meal. That's why it isn't for me.

    I've also had - more than once - vegan meal choices being inflicted on me at work for "sustainability" or some other moralising, preaching BS, which has grated my goat.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,192
    Foxy said:

    Yes, equipment maintenance is a real problem in Africa, in part due to an electricity supply with unstable voltages, outages and surges. Partly that a lot of equipment is second hand or second rate when donated, as each countries aid programme favours its own manufactures, and partly expertise to fix, even if parts can be sourced.

    The hospital that I have helped with in Malawi is a graveyard of high tech equipment, and if anything needs servicing the nearest agent often several thousand miles away.

    I don't know how this reads across to solar powered networks, but it wouldn't surprise me if some similar problems applied.
    It's something close to inevitable with such projects in the developing world. A long sad history of good intentions ending on the scrap heap.

    Coming up with a better way to integrate them, so they actually take off is perhaps more valuable than the projects themselves.
  • Jonathan said:

    It’s funny what love can do. My wife’s uncle was a ukip/Tory type. In late life he’s met a lady and fell in love. He is now a vegan and delivers Labour leaflets in his classic Bentley.

    That makes him a shrewdie, not a socialist. Bet I know which way he votes when he gets in the booth!
  • Cookie said:

    And that's only the start of it. If you live with a teetotaller, you just drink separate drinks. If you live with a vegan, you have to cook two separate meals every mealtime.
    Sunil's mum: "If you live with a vegetarian, you have to cook two separate meals every time!"

    :innocent:
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    Eabhal said:

    I agree! Bus services are rubbish in this country (outside of Edinburgh), and the cost has gone up far more than motoring over the last 20 years.
    Other thing is that there is no joined up thinking on transport , in other countries they have busses that go to stations and match up with train systems etc , not here. Rather than use smaller busses/minibusses theywould rather close a route down etc. The UK is just shit at any decent public services, due to being constantly run by competing Tory like parties, Blue or red.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,154
    Foxy said:

    It is far too bloated. Strip it back to track and field only.
    Track and field already have big stage events each year - the Olympics is the big stage for a lot of lower profile sports.

    The best way to save the Olympics/Commonwealth games is to stop the “City bid” and change it to country bids. Many more countries will have all the required facilities but very few have them near one city which currently favours big sports countries or countries such as Saudi or Qatar who will happily spend billions to build everything.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,091
    DavidL said:

    Be careful of what you wish for.
    Naughty David
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136
    edited August 2023
    malcolmg said:

    Other thing is that there is no joined up thinking on transport , in other countries they have busses that go to stations and match up with train systems etc , not here. Rather than use smaller busses/minibusses theywould rather close a route down etc. The UK is just shit at any decent public services, due to being constantly run by competing Tory like parties, Blue or red.
    An example of this was the train to Oban that arrives 5 minutes after the ferry left.

    So we took the car.
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