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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955
    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    Oh give over. You don't find it interesting that one of our number is bumbling around Ukraine?
    I'm also enjoying Leon's random musings, FWIW.
    It's not as though he's masquerading as a serious journalist.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,022
    DavidL said:

    ...once they have produced vegetable products at a reasonable price that taste like meat...

    Go into a large supermarket (not your local Morrisons, something like a Tesco Superstore) and look at the not-meat/no meat/plant-based stuff you can buy. Things have developed extremely rapidly over the past two years: it's not your Quorn for veggies anymore.

    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/305836057
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/313175285
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/289839049

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,297
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    As you keep reminding us.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,256
    The Biden campaign is leaning into the whole Dark Brandon thing. Get your own coffee mug here! https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1687120734793986048
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    Oh give over. You don't find it interesting that one of our number is bumbling around Ukraine?
    I'm also enjoying Leon's random musings, FWIW.
    It's not as though he's masquerading as a serious journalist.
    Me too
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,861
    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    Oh give over. You don't find it interesting that one of our number is bumbling around Ukraine?
    I just posted some seemingly very sensible advice from David Niven about reporting from war zones.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    “When you have more than six piercings/tattoos, the risk of/correlation with suicide increases significantly and goes up with every tattoo/piercing thereafter”

    I recall posting this well known psychological rule on PB a few months ago. Some people got outraged
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,861
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,330
    malcolmg said:

    They normally make people look like shit, especially women.

    Peck said:

    CD13 said:

    When my daughter was in her teens, she decided to become a vegetarian. There's a happy ending - the smell of frying bacon was enough to bring her back to sanity.

    I work with a guy at work whose mother raised him as a vegetarian, until he reached the age of 17, stayed with his Uncle and ate a roast. His mother wasn't happy.

    Bear Grylls has also seen the light:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bear-grylls-diet-vegan-carnivore-health-2ss8f0v8n
    "Sanity" and "seen the light", eh? Vegetarians live on average about 9 years longer than the dimwitted amoral turds who munch pieces of dead animal and think they're being sane and enlightened.
    9 more years of misery, you can keep it , I will stick with Bacon sandwiches, roast chicken , steak, etc
    Also not true




  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,297
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
    He’s no Patrick Leigh Fermor.
    But then, who the hell is?
  • Leon said:

    I very rarely agree with CasinoRoyale, but I do think Airplane is the funniest film ever.

    Though I wonder whether under 30s would find it funny.

    Comedy films date very fast.
    It’s a miracle it’s lasted this long.

    Life of Brian hasn’t aged either. Indeed it only gets more prescient and relevant

    And Life if Brian is cleverer. But Airplane probably has more belly laughs

    Spinal Tap completes the Top Three
    We are close to agreement, Leon. This is worrying.

    Airplane has be be the most un-PC film ever made. I'm surprised it hasn't now been banned. It makes me laugh still, although one or two or the jokes make me squirm a bit.
    The bit where the old lady speaks “jive” may be the single funniest moment in cinematic history.
    Yes, and that is perfectly fine, because it sends up ridiculous contrived argots.

    Btw, overindulgence in cockney rhyming slang is a very good example of this affectation. In my experience, real Cockneys use it sparingly.
    I don’t think it sends up contrived argots.
    I think it packs a tonne of quite complex racial baggage into a deliriously surreal moment of hilarity.
    I'll think about that next time I watch it. But it undoubtedly hilarious.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,738
    Leon said:

    “When you have more than six piercings/tattoos, the risk of/correlation with suicide increases significantly and goes up with every tattoo/piercing thereafter”

    I recall posting this well known psychological rule on PB a few months ago. Some people got outraged

    Correlation <> causation there, though, surely? Tattoos don't make you sad/mad; sadness/madness impels you to go a bit overboard on the old body mods.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    edited August 2023
    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    Oh give over. You don't find it interesting that one of our number is bumbling around Ukraine?
    “Bumbling” is the exact word. Almost no one here speaks English and everything is in Cyrillic. I get by with a mixture of hand waving, vague pleading, and google translate - which often refuses to work and doesnt have Ukrainian offline

    It’s a challenge

    It’s also a throwBack to travel as it was decades ago. DIFFICULT
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,330
    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    ...once they have produced vegetable products at a reasonable price that taste like meat...

    Go into a large supermarket (not your local Morrisons, something like a Tesco Superstore) and look at the not-meat/no meat/plant-based stuff you can buy. Things have developed extremely rapidly over the past two years: it's not your Quorn for veggies anymore.

    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/305836057
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/313175285
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/289839049

    And still taste like shit.
  • PeckPeck Posts: 517
    Peck said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    If that's your real ticket, you must be mental posting it here. Did you not get any opsec advice?
    ...wonders whether Leon has voided his kidnapping and ransom insurance...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,861
    edited August 2023

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
    He’s no Patrick Leigh Fermor.
    But then, who the hell is?
    He writes extremely well and I enjoy reading his work (whether on PB or elsewhere). But he is in a war zone and knowing him as we all do I thought some advice from David Niven might be useful.

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Seems like just the sort of thing that a Leon might do well to take heed of.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Foxy said:

    PJH said:

    Carnyx said:



    Foxy said:

    For LOLs I just clicked onto 'Rachel Riley' on the 'trending' section on the dumpster-fire formerly known as Twitter.

    The amount of hate towards her from the left is frankly worrying. I haven't investigated the allegations against her (*), but the froth-mouthed, spittle-flecked screeching against her kinda makes me feel that she's in the right.

    (*) Partly because the mere fact of her existence seems to annoy them.

    Mostly it's because she is Jewish, albeit Atheist.

    She is vegan too, so something to offend the other headbangers...

    That last bit has put me off.

    Like finding out someone you really fancy is a smoker.
    Why does it put you off?

    I know / have known a fair few vegans. Some are the 'vegan police' style people who wear their suffering for their superpower on their sleeve. Most are perfectly ordinary people who do not want to put any inconvenience on anybody.

    It's nothing like smoking. If someone smokes near me, it gets in my lungs even if they're ten feet away. Someone eating a nut roast at the seat next to me has zero effect on me.
    Because they are preachy, whiny and annoying.

    And they absolutely do inconvenience people. It means every time you hook up with them you can't cook or eat what you want and you've got to reduce your meals to the lowest common denominator so they can eat with you, which is antisocial.

    So it absolutely has an effect on me.
    Some are 'preachy, whiny and annoying', as I mentioned. Most are not.

    People make other life choices from you: if you cannot deal with that, then that is your problem, not theirs.
    Er, no. I was talking about what I found attractive and what put me on or off.

    Their choices would cause problems for me and restrict my lifestyle and this would put me off.

    The fact you might make a different choice is quite beside the point, unless you think the only acceptable choices in life are ones that you would make - which would be stunningly arrogant.
    But as I said, that's your issue, and your problem.

    As an example: I don't like tattoos. For some reason, I just don't like them. They're a bit of a turn-off, and I have to try not to judge people who have them.

    But the important point is this: I understand that's my issue, and my problem, and I try not to let that judgement affect the way I interact with people who have tattoos. Now if they start suggesting I get a tattoo, I'd laugh at them - because I don't like tattoos. But I won't treat them any differently because of their choice.

    In fact, I recognise that some tattoos are cool: like the lady I met who got one star / dot added for every year she had been clear of cancer, on the anniversary of receiving the all-clear.

    Most of all: I think your comparison of veganism with smoking to be utterly ridiculous and childish. Pathetic, in fact. Oh dear, you might occasionally have to change what you eat to cater for someone else. What an *awful* imposition. It's exactly the same as killing me with second-hand smoke.

    Not.
    You've got an entirely rational basis.

    Passive smoking. And the risks of being tattooed.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971201900451
    I agree with that re. passive smoking.

    However, I don't agree about tattoos. In *my* case, my dislike *is* irrational. There are good reasons to dislike tattoos, but my dislike isn't based in any of those. I don't know where it comes from; certainly not my parents. But it is irrational.
    I'm completely with you. Can't stand them. My girlfriend is talking about getting one and I really don't like the idea. But why? What harm does it do me?
    The problem with tattoos is that people rarely stop at one. They really do seem addictive.

    Tatoos are part of the female mid life crisis as much as sports cars are to men.
    I recently got one of mine fixed up; I've had so much surgery on my left wrist the 'sXe' symbol looked more like 'CofE'.

    The guy who did it said his customers are 3:1 women to men. He also said face tatts are going mainstream which is sicc. Soundcloud influence, I guess. Lil Peep, XXXTentacion, etc.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,297
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    Oh give over. You don't find it interesting that one of our number is bumbling around Ukraine?
    “Bumbling” is the exact word. Almost no one here speaks English and everything is in Cyrillic. I get by with a mixture of hand waving, vague pleading, and google translate - which often refuses to work and doesnt have Ukrainian offline

    It’s a challenge

    It’s also a throwBack to travel as it was decades ago. DIFFICULT
    Can’t you get AI to sort it?
    Or, failing that, what.three.words?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
    …. To cross an obscure frontier on a mountain road from a country at war to a country at peace

    For me, it beats the 279 to Crouch End on a
    dull and drizzly Friday. But maybe I’m easily pleased
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,297
    I would certainly be in Ukraine like a flash if I didn’t hold down a full time job and have a wife and two kids.

    The safer parts I mean. I’m a total coward.

    Leon is very lucky.
  • Looks quite morish:

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    PJH said:

    Carnyx said:



    Foxy said:

    For LOLs I just clicked onto 'Rachel Riley' on the 'trending' section on the dumpster-fire formerly known as Twitter.

    The amount of hate towards her from the left is frankly worrying. I haven't investigated the allegations against her (*), but the froth-mouthed, spittle-flecked screeching against her kinda makes me feel that she's in the right.

    (*) Partly because the mere fact of her existence seems to annoy them.

    Mostly it's because she is Jewish, albeit Atheist.

    She is vegan too, so something to offend the other headbangers...

    That last bit has put me off.

    Like finding out someone you really fancy is a smoker.
    Why does it put you off?

    I know / have known a fair few vegans. Some are the 'vegan police' style people who wear their suffering for their superpower on their sleeve. Most are perfectly ordinary people who do not want to put any inconvenience on anybody.

    It's nothing like smoking. If someone smokes near me, it gets in my lungs even if they're ten feet away. Someone eating a nut roast at the seat next to me has zero effect on me.
    Because they are preachy, whiny and annoying.

    And they absolutely do inconvenience people. It means every time you hook up with them you can't cook or eat what you want and you've got to reduce your meals to the lowest common denominator so they can eat with you, which is antisocial.

    So it absolutely has an effect on me.
    Some are 'preachy, whiny and annoying', as I mentioned. Most are not.

    People make other life choices from you: if you cannot deal with that, then that is your problem, not theirs.
    Er, no. I was talking about what I found attractive and what put me on or off.

    Their choices would cause problems for me and restrict my lifestyle and this would put me off.

    The fact you might make a different choice is quite beside the point, unless you think the only acceptable choices in life are ones that you would make - which would be stunningly arrogant.
    But as I said, that's your issue, and your problem.

    As an example: I don't like tattoos. For some reason, I just don't like them. They're a bit of a turn-off, and I have to try not to judge people who have them.

    But the important point is this: I understand that's my issue, and my problem, and I try not to let that judgement affect the way I interact with people who have tattoos. Now if they start suggesting I get a tattoo, I'd laugh at them - because I don't like tattoos. But I won't treat them any differently because of their choice.

    In fact, I recognise that some tattoos are cool: like the lady I met who got one star / dot added for every year she had been clear of cancer, on the anniversary of receiving the all-clear.

    Most of all: I think your comparison of veganism with smoking to be utterly ridiculous and childish. Pathetic, in fact. Oh dear, you might occasionally have to change what you eat to cater for someone else. What an *awful* imposition. It's exactly the same as killing me with second-hand smoke.

    Not.
    You've got an entirely rational basis.

    Passive smoking. And the risks of being tattooed.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971201900451
    I agree with that re. passive smoking.

    However, I don't agree about tattoos. In *my* case, my dislike *is* irrational. There are good reasons to dislike tattoos, but my dislike isn't based in any of those. I don't know where it comes from; certainly not my parents. But it is irrational.
    I'm completely with you. Can't stand them. My girlfriend is talking about getting one and I really don't like the idea. But why? What harm does it do me?
    The problem with tattoos is that people rarely stop at one. They really do seem addictive.

    Tatoos are part of the female mid life crisis as much as sports cars are to men.
    I recently got one of mine fixed up; I've had so much surgery on my left wrist the 'sXe' symbol looked more like 'CofE'.

    The guy who did it said his customers are 3:1 women to men. He also said face tatts are going mainstream which is sicc. Soundcloud influence, I guess. Lil Peep, XXXTentacion, etc.
    A CofE tattoo would be radical.
    Isn't XXXT dead ?
  • Leon said:

    I very rarely agree with CasinoRoyale, but I do think Airplane is the funniest film ever.

    Though I wonder whether under 30s would find it funny.

    Comedy films date very fast.
    It’s a miracle it’s lasted this long.

    Life of Brian hasn’t aged either. Indeed it only gets more prescient and relevant

    And Life if Brian is cleverer. But Airplane probably has more belly laughs

    Spinal Tap completes the Top Three
    Throw away lines of utter genius that cement their place as the top 3
    Life of Brian: "ooh you lucky bastard"
    Airplane: "I say Let Em Crash"
    Spinal Tap: "This is called Lick My Love Pump"
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,487

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    This started when I said I wouldn't date a vegan.

    JJ lost his shit, and then it started a full blown culture wars spat.
    I lost my sh*t?

    Seriously, re-read the thread. You appear to be the one losing it. As you did the other day.

    But I'll repeat a comment I made earlier. When I met her, Mrs J was a vegetarian who wanted to be vegan. I still went out with her, and we've had many lovely years together.

    If I had your attitude, I'd have missed out on that happiness.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,738
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
    He’s no Patrick Leigh Fermor.
    But then, who the hell is?
    He writes extremely well and I enjoy reading his work (whether on PB or elsewhere). But he is in a war zone and knowing him as we all do I thought some advice from David Niven might be useful.

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Seems like just the sort of thing that a Leon might do well to take heed of.
    I don't think anticipating public-transport related difficulties is the sort of self-glorification Niven had in mind.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,022

    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

    I feel contractually obliged to add a link to "The Clash at Demonhead", with Brie Larson playing Envy Adams singing "Black Sheep". And yes, that is Superman playing guitar. I have no idea why more people do not love this film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideJGov8c9E&t=112s
    https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clash_at_Demonhead
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,523
    TimS said:

    Looks like Ukraine managed to sink, or at least heavily damage, another Russian warship.

    https://twitter.com/tendar/status/1687353705530830848?s=46

    Good Thursday night for both Ukraine and the Lib Dems then.

    That's pretty close to Putin's new palace on the Black Sea coast.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,861
    edited August 2023
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
    …. To cross an obscure frontier on a mountain road from a country at war to a country at peace

    For me, it beats the 279 to Crouch End on a
    dull and drizzly Friday. But maybe I’m easily pleased
    Oh god.

    I am very much looking forward to hearing all about it in the Speccie or wherever, just that as a newcomer to reporting from (or in the process of leaving) war zones I thought some advice from David Niven would come in handy and you might do well to take it on board.

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    You need to strike just the right balance between bemoaning the fact that you can't get ice for your gin, and acknowledging the horror that many Ukrainians have experienced in the war. It is not an easy task but I'm sure you will be up to it.

    Leaving yourself out of it all might be a good idea, but you of course know this and I appreciate you are just having a bit of fun with your PB Arms buddies.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,738

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Would you say you're offaly fond of it?

    [The fact that this falls firmly into the category of joke that the teller enjoys far more thanthe audience makes me regret this not in the slightest]
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,487
    viewcode said:

    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

    I feel contractually obliged to add a link to "The Clash at Demonhead", with Brie Larson playing Envy Adams singing "Black Sheep". And yes, that is Superman playing guitar. I have no idea why more people do not love this film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideJGov8c9E&t=112s
    https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clash_at_Demonhead
    It absolutely bombed at the theatre, but has a massive cult following. AFAICR Highlander was the same; it did not do well at the box office, but became the most rented video.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,585
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    PJH said:

    Carnyx said:



    Foxy said:

    For LOLs I just clicked onto 'Rachel Riley' on the 'trending' section on the dumpster-fire formerly known as Twitter.

    The amount of hate towards her from the left is frankly worrying. I haven't investigated the allegations against her (*), but the froth-mouthed, spittle-flecked screeching against her kinda makes me feel that she's in the right.

    (*) Partly because the mere fact of her existence seems to annoy them.

    Mostly it's because she is Jewish, albeit Atheist.

    She is vegan too, so something to offend the other headbangers...

    That last bit has put me off.

    Like finding out someone you really fancy is a smoker.
    Why does it put you off?

    I know / have known a fair few vegans. Some are the 'vegan police' style people who wear their suffering for their superpower on their sleeve. Most are perfectly ordinary people who do not want to put any inconvenience on anybody.

    It's nothing like smoking. If someone smokes near me, it gets in my lungs even if they're ten feet away. Someone eating a nut roast at the seat next to me has zero effect on me.
    Because they are preachy, whiny and annoying.

    And they absolutely do inconvenience people. It means every time you hook up with them you can't cook or eat what you want and you've got to reduce your meals to the lowest common denominator so they can eat with you, which is antisocial.

    So it absolutely has an effect on me.
    Some are 'preachy, whiny and annoying', as I mentioned. Most are not.

    People make other life choices from you: if you cannot deal with that, then that is your problem, not theirs.
    Er, no. I was talking about what I found attractive and what put me on or off.

    Their choices would cause problems for me and restrict my lifestyle and this would put me off.

    The fact you might make a different choice is quite beside the point, unless you think the only acceptable choices in life are ones that you would make - which would be stunningly arrogant.
    But as I said, that's your issue, and your problem.

    As an example: I don't like tattoos. For some reason, I just don't like them. They're a bit of a turn-off, and I have to try not to judge people who have them.

    But the important point is this: I understand that's my issue, and my problem, and I try not to let that judgement affect the way I interact with people who have tattoos. Now if they start suggesting I get a tattoo, I'd laugh at them - because I don't like tattoos. But I won't treat them any differently because of their choice.

    In fact, I recognise that some tattoos are cool: like the lady I met who got one star / dot added for every year she had been clear of cancer, on the anniversary of receiving the all-clear.

    Most of all: I think your comparison of veganism with smoking to be utterly ridiculous and childish. Pathetic, in fact. Oh dear, you might occasionally have to change what you eat to cater for someone else. What an *awful* imposition. It's exactly the same as killing me with second-hand smoke.

    Not.
    You've got an entirely rational basis.

    Passive smoking. And the risks of being tattooed.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971201900451
    I agree with that re. passive smoking.

    However, I don't agree about tattoos. In *my* case, my dislike *is* irrational. There are good reasons to dislike tattoos, but my dislike isn't based in any of those. I don't know where it comes from; certainly not my parents. But it is irrational.
    I'm completely with you. Can't stand them. My girlfriend is talking about getting one and I really don't like the idea. But why? What harm does it do me?
    The problem with tattoos is that people rarely stop at one. They really do seem addictive.

    Tatoos are part of the female mid life crisis as much as sports cars are to men.
    I recently got one of mine fixed up; I've had so much surgery on my left wrist the 'sXe' symbol looked more like 'CofE'.

    The guy who did it said his customers are 3:1 women to men. He also said face tatts are going mainstream which is sicc. Soundcloud influence, I guess. Lil Peep, XXXTentacion, etc.
    Face tats were pretty normal when I was in NZ, some traditional Polynesian stuff, but a lot that was more contemporary.

    Ex prisoners almost all had a cross on their lower forehead. Part of prison induction by fellow cons, but marked them for life and made it hard to go straight. Some would disguise it unconvincingly, but fairly easy in Christchurch to spot who had been inside.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    Oh give over. You don't find it interesting that one of our number is bumbling around Ukraine?
    “Bumbling” is the exact word. Almost no one here speaks English and everything is in Cyrillic. I get by with a mixture of hand waving, vague pleading, and google translate - which often refuses to work and doesnt have Ukrainian offline

    It’s a challenge

    It’s also a throwBack to travel as it was decades ago. DIFFICULT
    Get yersel to the Zero Line in the east, pa.

    Nobody needs another beer/laptop photo from somewhere perfectly safe.

    Or enter Russia and go to Donetsk or Crimea. That would be interesting.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,861
    Leon said:

    I’m on the bus! It’s here. All good

    Freaky moment: as soon as I showed up and before I could talk a burly man approached me and said “I know who you are, show me your passport, you are Leon”

    Lol. I thought for a second it was @MikeSmithson unexpectedly come to ban me in person for
    exaggerating my wartime exploits, as David Niven explicitly warned against

    Turns out the Ukrainian authorities/police keep a really beady eye on any foreigners crossing any frontier - eg booking transnational bus tickets

    Yet again, however, Boris came in handy. When I confirmed I was from England he burst into a rare Slavic smile. “Ah, England. You are our friend. Good country!”

    They really do like us

    I would listen to David Niven over Trevor Howard about these things, the latter's wartime record being subject to debate and, it is said, a great deal of, er, self-glorification. And he was in the actual army.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,022
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
    …. To cross an obscure frontier on a mountain road from a country at war to a country at peace

    For me, it beats the 279 to Crouch End on a
    dull and drizzly Friday. But maybe I’m easily pleased
    Oh god.

    I am very much looking forward to hearing all about it in the Speccie or wherever, just that as a newcomer to reporting from (or in the process of leaving) war zones I thought some advice from David Niven would come in handy and you might do well to take it on board.

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    You need to strike just the right balance between bemoaning the fact that you can't get ice for your gin, and acknowledging the horror that many Ukrainians have experienced in the war. It is not an easy task but I'm sure you will be up to it.

    Leaving yourself out of it all might be a good idea, but you of course know this and I appreciate you are just having a bit of fun with your PB Arms buddies.
    "...as I lounged in the beer garden of my - horrors - three star hotel 500 miles from the front, staring at the young women frowning at me and edging away nervously, I was stuck by the fleeting evanescence of youth and beauty and the bravery of the young men fighting so very, very far away from me..."
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    PJH said:

    Carnyx said:



    Foxy said:

    For LOLs I just clicked onto 'Rachel Riley' on the 'trending' section on the dumpster-fire formerly known as Twitter.

    The amount of hate towards her from the left is frankly worrying. I haven't investigated the allegations against her (*), but the froth-mouthed, spittle-flecked screeching against her kinda makes me feel that she's in the right.

    (*) Partly because the mere fact of her existence seems to annoy them.

    Mostly it's because she is Jewish, albeit Atheist.

    She is vegan too, so something to offend the other headbangers...

    That last bit has put me off.

    Like finding out someone you really fancy is a smoker.
    Why does it put you off?

    I know / have known a fair few vegans. Some are the 'vegan police' style people who wear their suffering for their superpower on their sleeve. Most are perfectly ordinary people who do not want to put any inconvenience on anybody.

    It's nothing like smoking. If someone smokes near me, it gets in my lungs even if they're ten feet away. Someone eating a nut roast at the seat next to me has zero effect on me.
    Because they are preachy, whiny and annoying.

    And they absolutely do inconvenience people. It means every time you hook up with them you can't cook or eat what you want and you've got to reduce your meals to the lowest common denominator so they can eat with you, which is antisocial.

    So it absolutely has an effect on me.
    Some are 'preachy, whiny and annoying', as I mentioned. Most are not.

    People make other life choices from you: if you cannot deal with that, then that is your problem, not theirs.
    Er, no. I was talking about what I found attractive and what put me on or off.

    Their choices would cause problems for me and restrict my lifestyle and this would put me off.

    The fact you might make a different choice is quite beside the point, unless you think the only acceptable choices in life are ones that you would make - which would be stunningly arrogant.
    But as I said, that's your issue, and your problem.

    As an example: I don't like tattoos. For some reason, I just don't like them. They're a bit of a turn-off, and I have to try not to judge people who have them.

    But the important point is this: I understand that's my issue, and my problem, and I try not to let that judgement affect the way I interact with people who have tattoos. Now if they start suggesting I get a tattoo, I'd laugh at them - because I don't like tattoos. But I won't treat them any differently because of their choice.

    In fact, I recognise that some tattoos are cool: like the lady I met who got one star / dot added for every year she had been clear of cancer, on the anniversary of receiving the all-clear.

    Most of all: I think your comparison of veganism with smoking to be utterly ridiculous and childish. Pathetic, in fact. Oh dear, you might occasionally have to change what you eat to cater for someone else. What an *awful* imposition. It's exactly the same as killing me with second-hand smoke.

    Not.
    You've got an entirely rational basis.

    Passive smoking. And the risks of being tattooed.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971201900451
    I agree with that re. passive smoking.

    However, I don't agree about tattoos. In *my* case, my dislike *is* irrational. There are good reasons to dislike tattoos, but my dislike isn't based in any of those. I don't know where it comes from; certainly not my parents. But it is irrational.
    I'm completely with you. Can't stand them. My girlfriend is talking about getting one and I really don't like the idea. But why? What harm does it do me?
    The problem with tattoos is that people rarely stop at one. They really do seem addictive.

    Tatoos are part of the female mid life crisis as much as sports cars are to men.
    I recently got one of mine fixed up; I've had so much surgery on my left wrist the 'sXe' symbol looked more like 'CofE'.

    The guy who did it said his customers are 3:1 women to men. He also said face tatts are going mainstream which is sicc. Soundcloud influence, I guess. Lil Peep, XXXTentacion, etc.
    A CofE tattoo would be radical.
    Isn't XXXT dead ?
    So is Lil Peep. Everybody's Everything.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
    …. To cross an obscure frontier on a mountain road from a country at war to a country at peace

    For me, it beats the 279 to Crouch End on a
    dull and drizzly Friday. But maybe I’m easily pleased
    Oh god.

    I am very much looking forward to hearing all about it in the Speccie or wherever, just that as a newcomer to reporting from (or in the process of leaving) war zones I thought some advice from David Niven would come in handy and you might do well to take it on board.

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    You need to strike just the right balance between bemoaning the fact that you can't get ice for your gin, and acknowledging the horror that many Ukrainians have experienced in the war. It is not an easy task but I'm sure you will be up to it.

    Leaving yourself out of it all might be a good idea, but you of course know this and I appreciate you are just having a bit of fun with your PB Arms buddies.
    You forget that during one of the Israeli Lebanese wars I was held at gunpoint by Hezbollah for an evening in a small Arab town that was, at the same time, being mercilessly shelled and strafed by the Israelis

    Our survival (I was with a photographer) was frankly miraculous

    So, no, not a newbie. An idiot yes. But not entirely naive
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,861
    edited August 2023

    viewcode said:

    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

    I feel contractually obliged to add a link to "The Clash at Demonhead", with Brie Larson playing Envy Adams singing "Black Sheep". And yes, that is Superman playing guitar. I have no idea why more people do not love this film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideJGov8c9E&t=112s
    https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clash_at_Demonhead
    It absolutely bombed at the theatre, but has a massive cult following. AFAICR Highlander was the same; it did not do well at the box office, but became the most rented video.
    DON'T USE THE TERM "BOMBED"

    When we have a fellow PBer in the teeth of the action over in Ukraine.

    Super insensitive.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,104
    Peck said:

    Peck said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    If that's your real ticket, you must be mental posting it here. Did you not get any opsec advice?
    ...wonders whether Leon has voided his kidnapping and ransom insurance...
    {Tyler Rake has entered the chat, and massacred everyone in a 2 km radius}
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited August 2023
    A local blogger opines:

    When the Green Party selected Sian Berry to be its candidate to defend the Brighton Pavilion seat at the next general election, I wrote that “Sian has no know links to the city while being heavily committed to London. She will be seen as a carpetbagger and an opportunist who is being parachuted in from afar.” A bit harsh, perhaps, but a positive factor for Labour.

    I also warned that Labour “has been slow off the mark in selecting its candidate, surprising really as Brighton Pavilion is one of its key targets…” I said that the party “needs to select a sensible, local candidate. Choose badly and it might let the Greens back in.”

    So today’s news today that Eddie Izzard wants to be Labour’s candidate must be music to the ears of Sian Berry and the Greens. Like Berry, Izzard has no know links to the city while being heavily committed elsewhere, will be seen as a carpetbagger and an opportunist who is parachuting in from afar.” Choosing Izzard would neutralise an advantage that Labour might otherwise have.


    https://andywinterbn1.wordpress.com/2023/08/04/why-choosing-eddie-izzard-as-its-candidate-in-brighton-pavilion-would-be-a-disaster-for-the-labour-party/

    Labour have just turfed the Greens out of Brighton Council - are they going to blow their chance at Brighton Pavilion?

  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,743
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    Oh give over. You don't find it interesting that one of our number is bumbling around Ukraine?
    “Bumbling” is the exact word. Almost no one here speaks English and everything is in Cyrillic. I get by with a mixture of hand waving, vague pleading, and google translate - which often refuses to work and doesnt have Ukrainian offline

    It’s a challenge

    It’s also a throwBack to travel as it was decades ago. DIFFICULT
    Get yersel to the Zero Line in the east, pa.

    Nobody needs another beer/laptop photo from somewhere perfectly safe.

    Or enter Russia and go to Donetsk or Crimea. That would be interesting.
    Is this conversation an example of what the young people of 40 years ago referred to as "jumping the shark"?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,104
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    I’m on the bus! It’s here. All good

    Freaky moment: as soon as I showed up and before I could talk a burly man approached me and said “I know who you are, show me your passport, you are Leon”

    Lol. I thought for a second it was @MikeSmithson unexpectedly come to ban me in person for
    exaggerating my wartime exploits, as David Niven explicitly warned against

    Turns out the Ukrainian authorities/police keep a really beady eye on any foreigners crossing any frontier - eg booking transnational bus tickets

    Yet again, however, Boris came in handy. When I confirmed I was from England he burst into a rare Slavic smile. “Ah, England. You are our friend. Good country!”

    They really do like us

    I would listen to David Niven over Trevor Howard about these things, the latter's wartime record being subject to debate and, it is said, a great deal of, er, self-glorification. And he was in the actual army.
    David Niven stories consisted of the stories of everyone he knew, plus a bit of er.... improvement.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,022

    viewcode said:

    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

    I feel contractually obliged to add a link to "The Clash at Demonhead", with Brie Larson playing Envy Adams singing "Black Sheep". And yes, that is Superman playing guitar. I have no idea why more people do not love this film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideJGov8c9E&t=112s
    https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clash_at_Demonhead
    It absolutely bombed at the theatre, but has a massive cult following. AFAICR Highlander was the same; it did not do well at the box office, but became the most rented video.
    I cannot watch the first two series of "Star Trek: Picard" without muttering "We are Sex Bob-Omb and we are here to shoot phasers and blow up shit and stuff". My headspace has some really weird crossovers. :)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,487
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

    I feel contractually obliged to add a link to "The Clash at Demonhead", with Brie Larson playing Envy Adams singing "Black Sheep". And yes, that is Superman playing guitar. I have no idea why more people do not love this film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideJGov8c9E&t=112s
    https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clash_at_Demonhead
    It absolutely bombed at the theatre, but has a massive cult following. AFAICR Highlander was the same; it did not do well at the box office, but became the most rented video.
    I cannot watch the first two series of "Star Trek: Picard" without muttering "We are Sex Bob-Omb and we are here to shoot phasers and blow up shit and stuff". My headspace has some really weird crossovers. :)
    Oh God, let's not get onto the Picard discussion again....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    Oh give over. You don't find it interesting that one of our number is bumbling around Ukraine?
    “Bumbling” is the exact word. Almost no one here speaks English and everything is in Cyrillic. I get by with a mixture of hand waving, vague pleading, and google translate - which often refuses to work and doesnt have Ukrainian offline

    It’s a challenge

    It’s also a throwBack to travel as it was decades ago. DIFFICULT
    Get yersel to the Zero Line in the east, pa.

    Nobody needs another beer/laptop photo from somewhere perfectly safe.

    Or enter Russia and go to Donetsk or Crimea. That would be interesting.
    Actually I dispute this. I am reading an awful lot of coverage of Ukraine - for obvious reasons - and 99% of it is from the front. Which is understandable. That’s where the death and the drama can be found

    Yet the war in the home front has its own curiosity and strangeness and profundity. That mafia hotel I just left. Fresh oysters flown in for billionaires

    All the men on leave on crutches. The towns that have been bombed almost at random in the deep countryside. The amputees. The lonely women drinking together. The mad things at the frontier

    It’s a compelling spectacle, even if it lacks the excitement of cowering in a shelter in bakhmut

    I intend to come back. Probably very soon. I might edge nearer the fighting…
  • Brit healthcare body rapped for WhatsApp chat sharing patient data
    https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/03/nhs_ico_warning/

    Worth reading the whole story, as well as the world's most heavily redacted GDPR reprimand.
    https://ico.org.uk/media/action-weve-taken/reprimands/4026016/nhs-lanarkshire-reprimand.pdf

    Basically, absent any better solution, staff at NHS Lanarkshire were using a Whatsapp group to share patient information during the Covid outbreak when in-person discussions were hard. It's encrypted, right? At some point, an unapproved person was added to the group.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,487
    TOPPING said:

    viewcode said:

    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

    I feel contractually obliged to add a link to "The Clash at Demonhead", with Brie Larson playing Envy Adams singing "Black Sheep". And yes, that is Superman playing guitar. I have no idea why more people do not love this film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideJGov8c9E&t=112s
    https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clash_at_Demonhead
    It absolutely bombed at the theatre, but has a massive cult following. AFAICR Highlander was the same; it did not do well at the box office, but became the most rented video.
    DON'T USE THE TERM "BOMBED"

    When we have a fellow PBer in the teeth of the action over in Ukraine.

    Super insensitive.
    Sorry, I'll go back and nuke that comment.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,330

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    This started when I said I wouldn't date a vegan.

    JJ lost his shit, and then it started a full blown culture wars spat.
    I lost my sh*t?

    Seriously, re-read the thread. You appear to be the one losing it. As you did the other day.

    But I'll repeat a comment I made earlier. When I met her, Mrs J was a vegetarian who wanted to be vegan. I still went out with her, and we've had many lovely years together.

    If I had your attitude, I'd have missed out on that happiness.
    I'm very happy with my wife, thank you.

    I suggest we end this conversation.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,972
    Some smelling salts may be in need of passing around here:

    NEW

    UK pure EV sales up a massive 88% in July 2023

    Pure EVs were 16% of all new sales in July

    (in July 2022 it was just 11%)


    https://twitter.com/drsimevans/status/1687395053679874048?s=46
  • eekeek Posts: 28,323

    A local blogger opines:

    When the Green Party selected Sian Berry to be its candidate to defend the Brighton Pavilion seat at the next general election, I wrote that “Sian has no know links to the city while being heavily committed to London. She will be seen as a carpetbagger and an opportunist who is being parachuted in from afar.” A bit harsh, perhaps, but a positive factor for Labour.

    I also warned that Labour “has been slow off the mark in selecting its candidate, surprising really as Brighton Pavilion is one of its key targets…” I said that the party “needs to select a sensible, local candidate. Choose badly and it might let the Greens back in.”

    So today’s news today that Eddie Izzard wants to be Labour’s candidate must be music to the ears of Sian Berry and the Greens. Like Berry, Izzard has no know links to the city while being heavily committed elsewhere, will be seen as a carpetbagger and an opportunist who is parachuting in from afar.” Choosing Izzard would neutralise an advantage that Labour might otherwise have.


    https://andywinterbn1.wordpress.com/2023/08/04/why-choosing-eddie-izzard-as-its-candidate-in-brighton-pavilion-would-be-a-disaster-for-the-labour-party/

    Labour have just turfed the Greens out of Brighton Council - are they going to blow their chance at Brighton Pavilion?

    Eddie Izzard and Paul Mason seem to be going for any seat available while hoping their fame gives them an advantage over other candidates.

    In all other seats they have been ignored so I'm hoping the same occurs here...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,861
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
    …. To cross an obscure frontier on a mountain road from a country at war to a country at peace

    For me, it beats the 279 to Crouch End on a
    dull and drizzly Friday. But maybe I’m easily pleased
    Oh god.

    I am very much looking forward to hearing all about it in the Speccie or wherever, just that as a newcomer to reporting from (or in the process of leaving) war zones I thought some advice from David Niven would come in handy and you might do well to take it on board.

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    You need to strike just the right balance between bemoaning the fact that you can't get ice for your gin, and acknowledging the horror that many Ukrainians have experienced in the war. It is not an easy task but I'm sure you will be up to it.

    Leaving yourself out of it all might be a good idea, but you of course know this and I appreciate you are just having a bit of fun with your PB Arms buddies.
    You forget that during one of the Israeli Lebanese wars I was held at gunpoint by Hezbollah for an evening in a small Arab town that was, at the same time, being mercilessly shelled and strafed by the Israelis

    Our survival (I was with a photographer) was frankly miraculous

    So, no, not a newbie. An idiot yes. But not entirely naive
    As I said it is going to be a difficult balancing act to write up your particular experiences and I have no doubt, because it is what you do, that you will strike the right one (no ice vs triple amputees, etc).

    And yes we may never hear the end of your being held at gunpoint by Hezbollah and I appreciate your seeking to credentialise yourself on silly old PB.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
    …. To cross an obscure frontier on a mountain road from a country at war to a country at peace

    For me, it beats the 279 to Crouch End on a
    dull and drizzly Friday. But maybe I’m easily pleased
    Oh god.

    I am very much looking forward to hearing all about it in the Speccie or wherever, just that as a newcomer to reporting from (or in the process of leaving) war zones I thought some advice from David Niven would come in handy and you might do well to take it on board.

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    You need to strike just the right balance between bemoaning the fact that you can't get ice for your gin, and acknowledging the horror that many Ukrainians have experienced in the war. It is not an easy task but I'm sure you will be up to it.

    Leaving yourself out of it all might be a good idea, but you of course know this and I appreciate you are just having a bit of fun with your PB Arms buddies.
    You forget that during one of the Israeli Lebanese wars I was held at gunpoint by Hezbollah for an evening in a small Arab town that was, at the same time, being mercilessly shelled and strafed by the Israelis

    Our survival (I was with a photographer) was frankly miraculous

    So, no, not a newbie. An idiot yes. But not entirely naive
    As I said it is going to be a difficult balancing act to write up your particular experiences and I have no doubt, because it is what you do, that you will strike the right one (no ice vs triple amputees, etc).

    And yes we may never hear the end of your being held at gunpoint by Hezbollah and I appreciate your seeking to credentialise yourself on silly old PB.
    Just a minor correction. I am not entirely new to this
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,022

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

    I feel contractually obliged to add a link to "The Clash at Demonhead", with Brie Larson playing Envy Adams singing "Black Sheep". And yes, that is Superman playing guitar. I have no idea why more people do not love this film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideJGov8c9E&t=112s
    https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clash_at_Demonhead
    It absolutely bombed at the theatre, but has a massive cult following. AFAICR Highlander was the same; it did not do well at the box office, but became the most rented video.
    I cannot watch the first two series of "Star Trek: Picard" without muttering "We are Sex Bob-Omb and we are here to shoot phasers and blow up shit and stuff". My headspace has some really weird crossovers. :)
    Oh God, let's not get onto the Picard discussion again....
    You don't understand, mon capitan. The Picard discussion never ends...
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,297
    TimS said:

    Some smelling salts may be in need of passing around here:

    NEW

    UK pure EV sales up a massive 88% in July 2023

    Pure EVs were 16% of all new sales in July

    (in July 2022 it was just 11%)


    https://twitter.com/drsimevans/status/1687395053679874048?s=46

    Great news. Roll on 20, 25%
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955
    edited August 2023
    TimS said:

    Some smelling salts may be in need of passing around here:

    NEW

    UK pure EV sales up a massive 88% in July 2023

    Pure EVs were 16% of all new sales in July

    (in July 2022 it was just 11%)


    https://twitter.com/drsimevans/status/1687395053679874048?s=46

    Should force the government to start to get its act together on charging infrastructure - perhaps in time for all of us late adopters, towards the end of the decade.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,523
    TimS said:

    Some smelling salts may be in need of passing around here:

    NEW

    UK pure EV sales up a massive 88% in July 2023

    Pure EVs were 16% of all new sales in July

    (in July 2022 it was just 11%)


    https://twitter.com/drsimevans/status/1687395053679874048?s=46

    At that rate of growth they'll beat hybrids in the reace to overtake petrol cars.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,646
    edited August 2023

    viewcode said:

    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

    I feel contractually obliged to add a link to "The Clash at Demonhead", with Brie Larson playing Envy Adams singing "Black Sheep". And yes, that is Superman playing guitar. I have no idea why more people do not love this film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideJGov8c9E&t=112s
    https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clash_at_Demonhead
    It absolutely bombed at the theatre, but has a massive cult following. AFAICR Highlander was the same; it did not do well at the box office, but became the most rented video.
    There Can Be Only One. [Definitely no spin offs or sequels]

    One shot in that film did attain a certain niche notoriety amongst climbers:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy6hpCVIgo8

    It is obligatory to maintain the pose if you reach the top of the Cioch although I have to say there is less room than there looks, and it slopes in a somewhat disconcerting manner. There was a plastic sword left up there for the purpose for a while.

    I don't know if Sean Connery did his own stunts for this one. Good for him if he did.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,487
    edited August 2023
    A video of that Russian ship valiantly destroying the Ukrainian attack drone:

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cvg4IQqA0c5/

    Edit: and a different view of the totally undamaged ship majestically making its way into port under power:
    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1687376001930551296
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

    I feel contractually obliged to add a link to "The Clash at Demonhead", with Brie Larson playing Envy Adams singing "Black Sheep". And yes, that is Superman playing guitar. I have no idea why more people do not love this film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideJGov8c9E&t=112s
    https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clash_at_Demonhead
    It absolutely bombed at the theatre, but has a massive cult following. AFAICR Highlander was the same; it did not do well at the box office, but became the most rented video.
    I cannot watch the first two series of "Star Trek: Picard" without muttering "We are Sex Bob-Omb and we are here to shoot phasers and blow up shit and stuff". My headspace has some really weird crossovers. :)
    Oh God, let's not get onto the Picard discussion again....
    You don't understand, mon capitan. The Picard discussion never ends...
    Dans la Marine il y a mon dieu et mon cul, pas mon capitaine.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955
    Emergence and potential transmission route of avian influenza A (H5N1) virus in domestic cats in Poland, June 2023
    https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2023.28.31.2300390
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,487

    viewcode said:

    Vegan superpowers and the vegan police:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

    I feel contractually obliged to add a link to "The Clash at Demonhead", with Brie Larson playing Envy Adams singing "Black Sheep". And yes, that is Superman playing guitar. I have no idea why more people do not love this film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideJGov8c9E&t=112s
    https://scottpilgrim.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clash_at_Demonhead
    It absolutely bombed at the theatre, but has a massive cult following. AFAICR Highlander was the same; it did not do well at the box office, but became the most rented video.
    There Can Be Only One. [Definitely no spin offs or sequels]

    One shot in that film did attain a certain niche notoriety amongst climbers:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy6hpCVIgo8

    It is obligatory to maintain the pose if you reach the top of the Cioch although I have to say there is less room than there looks, and it slopes in a somewhat disconcerting manner. There was a plastic sword left up there for the purpose for a while.

    I don't know if Sean Connery did his own stunts for this one. Good for him if he did.
    Yonks ago I did read that they got helicoptered onto a summit for some shots. Unsure if it was that one.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,861
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I am booked on a bus to take me over the Ukrainian border, in the carpathians, and down into Romania

    I have no idea if the bus will turn up (the last few haven’t) or if I will make it over the frontier even if I do (I’ve heard tales of major difficulties)

    Exciting. It’s like being in a war

    Ah, that’s it

    I think you need to ration your warzone jeopardy posts to keep the necessary excitement up. Keep it to 12a or 15 rated dangers at least. Worrying a bus to Romania may be a bit late is more U: occasional mild threat.
    They aren’t late. They just don’t show up. I admit this isn’t exactly the Blitz but it will leave me stranded In Chernowitz and I really need to be back in London tomorrow for a stag night

    What makes it iffier is I’ve no evidence of anyone else using this route out of Ukraine

    Cbernovtsi, Ukraine - Suceava, Romania

    David Niven made several good films. Was also wise about other stuff:

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."
    Er, I’m commenting anonymously on a forum for political geeks, not writing about my derring-do in The Times

    Besides, public transport is PB’s obsession of the week. I’m offering my experiences of long distant coach services during a war
    A valuable service much appreciated. What was the tyre spec of the coaches?
    I can only offer this


    Which all looks great until you see this. Basically it’s a shit show and a lottery. AND I am trying a route hitherto unused by many as far as I can see. The established routes are Poland-Lviv and Moldova-Odessa




    So, yes, it’s a tiny bit tricker than “the late bus from Oxford to Woodstock”
    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    Should never be far from your mind.
    I apologise that my Friday is a tiny bit more exciting than yours
    Yes waiting for a bus sounds pretty exciting.
    …. To cross an obscure frontier on a mountain road from a country at war to a country at peace

    For me, it beats the 279 to Crouch End on a
    dull and drizzly Friday. But maybe I’m easily pleased
    Oh god.

    I am very much looking forward to hearing all about it in the Speccie or wherever, just that as a newcomer to reporting from (or in the process of leaving) war zones I thought some advice from David Niven would come in handy and you might do well to take it on board.

    "Niven had particular scorn for those newspaper columnists covering the war who typed out self-glorifying and excessively florid prose about their meagre wartime experiences."

    You need to strike just the right balance between bemoaning the fact that you can't get ice for your gin, and acknowledging the horror that many Ukrainians have experienced in the war. It is not an easy task but I'm sure you will be up to it.

    Leaving yourself out of it all might be a good idea, but you of course know this and I appreciate you are just having a bit of fun with your PB Arms buddies.
    You forget that during one of the Israeli Lebanese wars I was held at gunpoint by Hezbollah for an evening in a small Arab town that was, at the same time, being mercilessly shelled and strafed by the Israelis

    Our survival (I was with a photographer) was frankly miraculous

    So, no, not a newbie. An idiot yes. But not entirely naive
    As I said it is going to be a difficult balancing act to write up your particular experiences and I have no doubt, because it is what you do, that you will strike the right one (no ice vs triple amputees, etc).

    And yes we may never hear the end of your being held at gunpoint by Hezbollah and I appreciate your seeking to credentialise yourself on silly old PB.
    Just a minor correction. I am not entirely new to this
    Good to know.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    The driver just made an enormously long announcement which at one point seemed to suggest we are going to Donetsk. Er

    I did a Google translate on his final words


  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,287
    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    ...once they have produced vegetable products at a reasonable price that taste like meat...

    Go into a large supermarket (not your local Morrisons, something like a Tesco Superstore) and look at the not-meat/no meat/plant-based stuff you can buy. Things have developed extremely rapidly over the past two years: it's not your Quorn for veggies anymore.

    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/305836057
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/313175285
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/289839049

    Not whilst my arse points to the ground
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    edited August 2023

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!

    I’ll edit this it was indeed the worst thing I’ve ever eaten . To put it into one of the worst doesn’t do it justice !
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    nico679 said:

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!

    I’ll edit this it was indeed the worst thing I’ve ever eaten . To put it into one of the worst doesn’t do it justice !

    Andouillette

    Absolutely delicious with proper French fries and a cold cold beer

    You, sir, are a Heathen
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955
    nico679 said:

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!
    Tried andouillette once, and it is pretty vile.
    Good form demanded that I eat it all, of course.
  • Leon said:

    The driver just made an enormously long announcement which at one point seemed to suggest we are going to Donetsk. Er

    I did a Google translate on his final words


    You openly posted details of your ticket on a forum which is monitored by the Russian authorities. If you end up in Donetsk - and I hope you don't - perhaps that was an unwise thing to do?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,487
    nico679 said:

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!

    I’ll edit this it was indeed the worst thing I’ve ever eaten . To put it into one of the worst doesn’t do it justice !
    Not knowing what you are eating helps. A Romanian wedding I once went to had about eight courses at the meal. One had a series of small cooked meat pieces with dip sauces. They were rather nice. I also later found out they were brains and offal. I'm unsure I'd have liked them so much if I had known.

    Taste can be weird like that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955
    Meissner effect or bust: Day 8.5

    We made the rocks

    https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1687405505604734978
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143

    Leon said:

    The driver just made an enormously long announcement which at one point seemed to suggest we are going to Donetsk. Er

    I did a Google translate on his final words


    You openly posted details of your ticket on a forum which is monitored by the Russian authorities. If you end up in Donetsk - and I hope you don't - perhaps that was an unwise thing to do?
    If I get stopped at the frontier, and am hurried away with a sack over my head, for months of torture in Mariupol, I’ll be sure to keep you posted with photos of my meals
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,022
    malcolmg said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    ...once they have produced vegetable products at a reasonable price that taste like meat...

    Go into a large supermarket (not your local Morrisons, something like a Tesco Superstore) and look at the not-meat/no meat/plant-based stuff you can buy. Things have developed extremely rapidly over the past two years: it's not your Quorn for veggies anymore.

    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/305836057
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/313175285
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/289839049

    Not whilst my arse points to the ground
    I was most definitely not recommending them, @malcolmg . More pointing out that they exist... :)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    RAINS LIKE HIS, THE HONOUR OF EVENTS TO YOU WITH COTTAGE CHEESE
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    edited August 2023
    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!

    I’ll edit this it was indeed the worst thing I’ve ever eaten . To put it into one of the worst doesn’t do it justice !

    Andouillette

    Absolutely delicious with proper French fries and a cold cold beer

    You, sir, are a Heathen
    Perhaps it’s a gene thing , you know like some people can’t eat fresh coriander because it tastes like perfume . All I know is that the after taste lasted 2 days .

    I’d rather eat a tin of dog food than ever lay eyes on the hell on a plate again .
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,748
    viewcode said:

    malcolmg said:

    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    ...once they have produced vegetable products at a reasonable price that taste like meat...

    Go into a large supermarket (not your local Morrisons, something like a Tesco Superstore) and look at the not-meat/no meat/plant-based stuff you can buy. Things have developed extremely rapidly over the past two years: it's not your Quorn for veggies anymore.

    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/305836057
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/313175285
    https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/289839049

    Not whilst my arse points to the ground
    I was most definitely not recommending them, @malcolmg . More pointing out that they exist... :)
    Malky does come from, and live in, Ayrshire. Famed for bacon and cattle, and with plenty of pasture for the latter and the sheep and deer.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The driver just made an enormously long announcement which at one point seemed to suggest we are going to Donetsk. Er

    I did a Google translate on his final words


    You openly posted details of your ticket on a forum which is monitored by the Russian authorities. If you end up in Donetsk - and I hope you don't - perhaps that was an unwise thing to do?
    If I get stopped at the frontier, and am hurried away with a sack over my head, for months of torture in Mariupol, I’ll be sure to keep you posted with photos of my meals
    As will Svetlana, the human who endlessly shitposts this site using a series of sockpuppets.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    Leon said:

    The driver just made an enormously long announcement which at one point seemed to suggest we are going to Donetsk. Er

    I did a Google translate on his final words


    You openly posted details of your ticket on a forum which is monitored by the Russian authorities. If you end up in Donetsk - and I hope you don't - perhaps that was an unwise thing to do?
    Yeah, @alkyfromthespectator is top of the GRU's black bag list. FFS.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955

    nico679 said:

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!

    I’ll edit this it was indeed the worst thing I’ve ever eaten . To put it into one of the worst doesn’t do it justice !
    Not knowing what you are eating helps. A Romanian wedding I once went to had about eight courses at the meal. One had a series of small cooked meat pieces with dip sauces. They were rather nice. I also later found out they were brains and offal. I'm unsure I'd have liked them so much if I had known.

    Taste can be weird like that.
    Not with the French sausage.
    ..True andouillettes are rarely seen outside France and have a strong, distinctive odour coming from the colon...

    I had no idea what I was ordering at the time (pre internet) and thought it looked interesting on the French only menu.

    Rather nice it was not; definitely an example of 'true' andouillette.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,748
    Nigelb said:

    nico679 said:

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!

    I’ll edit this it was indeed the worst thing I’ve ever eaten . To put it into one of the worst doesn’t do it justice !
    Not knowing what you are eating helps. A Romanian wedding I once went to had about eight courses at the meal. One had a series of small cooked meat pieces with dip sauces. They were rather nice. I also later found out they were brains and offal. I'm unsure I'd have liked them so much if I had known.

    Taste can be weird like that.
    Not with the French sausage.
    ..True andouillettes are rarely seen outside France and have a strong, distinctive odour coming from the colon...

    I had no idea what I was ordering at the time (pre internet) and thought it looked interesting on the French only menu.

    Rather nice it was not; definitely an example of 'true' andouillette.
    Hmm! Looks interesting in photos.

    https://www.foodandwine.com/lifestyle/andouillette-french-sausage-association
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,796
    edited August 2023
    Leon said:

    RAINS LIKE HIS, THE HONOUR OF EVENTS TO YOU WITH COTTAGE CHEESE

    That's what the bus driver said. Was he carrying the Financial Times under his left arm?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,580
    edited August 2023
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    The driver just made an enormously long announcement which at one point seemed to suggest we are going to Donetsk. Er

    I did a Google translate on his final words


    You openly posted details of your ticket on a forum which is monitored by the Russian authorities. If you end up in Donetsk - and I hope you don't - perhaps that was an unwise thing to do?
    Yeah, @alkyfromthespectator is top of the GRU's black bag list. FFS.
    Leon knows where all the good cathedrals are though.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143

    Leon said:

    RAINS LIKE HIS, THE HONOUR OF EVENTS TO YOU WITH COTTAGE CHEESE

    That's what the bus driver said. Was he carrying a copy of the Financial Times under his left arm?
    Hah! I hadn’t thought of that. It was a code!

    Brilliant

    The fat man waits at the harbour with the sardines
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,646
    Nigelb said:

    Meissner effect or bust: Day 8.5

    We made the rocks

    https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1687405505604734978

    Interesting! Looks like there is _something_ going on.

    All the samples seem to tilt as if they either aren't 100% pure, or there's some directionality to the effect.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955

    Leon said:

    RAINS LIKE HIS, THE HONOUR OF EVENTS TO YOU WITH COTTAGE CHEESE

    That's what the bus driver said. Was he carrying the Financial Times under his left arm?
    FT has a Romanian story today.
    ‘He drank all my whisky’: Romania wrestles with trespassing bears
    https://twitter.com/valentinapop/status/1687401802931560448
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,330
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    RAINS LIKE HIS, THE HONOUR OF EVENTS TO YOU WITH COTTAGE CHEESE

    That's what the bus driver said. Was he carrying the Financial Times under his left arm?
    FT has a Romanian story today.
    ‘He drank all my whisky’: Romania wrestles with trespassing bears
    https://twitter.com/valentinapop/status/1687401802931560448
    What a brilliant tagline
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955
    edited August 2023
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    nico679 said:

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!

    I’ll edit this it was indeed the worst thing I’ve ever eaten . To put it into one of the worst doesn’t do it justice !
    Not knowing what you are eating helps. A Romanian wedding I once went to had about eight courses at the meal. One had a series of small cooked meat pieces with dip sauces. They were rather nice. I also later found out they were brains and offal. I'm unsure I'd have liked them so much if I had known.

    Taste can be weird like that.
    Not with the French sausage.
    ..True andouillettes are rarely seen outside France and have a strong, distinctive odour coming from the colon...

    I had no idea what I was ordering at the time (pre internet) and thought it looked interesting on the French only menu.

    Rather nice it was not; definitely an example of 'true' andouillette.
    Hmm! Looks interesting in photos.

    https://www.foodandwine.com/lifestyle/andouillette-french-sausage-association
    Yes, that is the one.
    Not a sight or taste you forget.

    Though maybe I was just unlucky
    "..."When you've tasted a few, it's quite clear," says Delpal. "Either it's very, very good, or it's disgusting. There's no middle ground.".
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,104
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    RAINS LIKE HIS, THE HONOUR OF EVENTS TO YOU WITH COTTAGE CHEESE

    That's what the bus driver said. Was he carrying a copy of the Financial Times under his left arm?
    Hah! I hadn’t thought of that. It was a code!

    Brilliant

    The fat man waits at the harbour with the sardines
    The long sobs
    Of violins
    Of autumn
    Wound my heart
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,330
    nico679 said:

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!

    I’ll edit this it was indeed the worst thing I’ve ever eaten . To put it into one of the worst doesn’t do it justice !
    Talking of rank, and I didn't try it but it smelt bad enough, fermented fish in Scandanavia is utterly revolting.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,256

    Nigelb said:

    Meissner effect or bust: Day 8.5

    We made the rocks

    https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1687405505604734978

    Interesting! Looks like there is _something_ going on.

    All the samples seem to tilt as if they either aren't 100% pure, or there's some directionality to the effect.
    The theoretical analysis that’s been published suggests that the superconducting effect occurs down linear channels in the crystallised material, so you’d expect some directionality in the bulk properties I would imagine.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,972
    Leon said:

    RAINS LIKE HIS, THE HONOUR OF EVENTS TO YOU WITH COTTAGE CHEESE

    That can be your next PB name. Goes with correct horse battery.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    RAINS LIKE HIS, THE HONOUR OF EVENTS TO YOU WITH COTTAGE CHEESE

    That's what the bus driver said. Was he carrying the Financial Times under his left arm?
    FT has a Romanian story today.
    ‘He drank all my whisky’: Romania wrestles with trespassing bears
    https://twitter.com/valentinapop/status/1687401802931560448
    Can confirm. Rural Transylvania is a lethally dangerous place, primarily because bears and wolves and secondarily because huge numbers of seriously big fierce sheepdogs to defend sheep from them, and from passing tourists.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    edited August 2023
    Nigelb said:

    nico679 said:

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!

    I’ll edit this it was indeed the worst thing I’ve ever eaten . To put it into one of the worst doesn’t do it justice !
    Not knowing what you are eating helps. A Romanian wedding I once went to had about eight courses at the meal. One had a series of small cooked meat pieces with dip sauces. They were rather nice. I also later found out they were brains and offal. I'm unsure I'd have liked them so much if I had known.

    Taste can be weird like that.
    Not with the French sausage.
    ..True andouillettes are rarely seen outside France and have a strong, distinctive odour coming from the colon...

    I had no idea what I was ordering at the time (pre internet) and thought it looked interesting on the French only menu.

    Rather nice it was not; definitely an example of 'true' andouillette.
    Andouillette should have a faint odour of uric acid. You get over it. They are delicious

    The foulest smelling food I have ever encountered is tinned fermented silkworm larvae. A tasty snack in South Korea

    The smell was enough to make me gag as soon as I opened the tin. Indescribably awful. Satan’s arse after a fish curry

    I wrapped it all in three plastic bags and took it outside my hotel to a public bin. That bad
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,330

    A local blogger opines:

    When the Green Party selected Sian Berry to be its candidate to defend the Brighton Pavilion seat at the next general election, I wrote that “Sian has no know links to the city while being heavily committed to London. She will be seen as a carpetbagger and an opportunist who is being parachuted in from afar.” A bit harsh, perhaps, but a positive factor for Labour.

    I also warned that Labour “has been slow off the mark in selecting its candidate, surprising really as Brighton Pavilion is one of its key targets…” I said that the party “needs to select a sensible, local candidate. Choose badly and it might let the Greens back in.”

    So today’s news today that Eddie Izzard wants to be Labour’s candidate must be music to the ears of Sian Berry and the Greens. Like Berry, Izzard has no know links to the city while being heavily committed elsewhere, will be seen as a carpetbagger and an opportunist who is parachuting in from afar.” Choosing Izzard would neutralise an advantage that Labour might otherwise have.


    https://andywinterbn1.wordpress.com/2023/08/04/why-choosing-eddie-izzard-as-its-candidate-in-brighton-pavilion-would-be-a-disaster-for-the-labour-party/

    Labour have just turfed the Greens out of Brighton Council - are they going to blow their chance at Brighton Pavilion?

    They'd be fools if they did.

    Has Izzard made the shortlist or just put himself forward ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,143
    Very near the border. If this works I have pioneered a new and easy route into Ukraine

    You’ll thank me later

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,330
    Leon said:

    I’m on the bus! It’s here. All good

    Freaky moment: as soon as I showed up and before I could talk a burly man approached me and said “I know who you are, show me your passport, you are Leon”

    Lol. I thought for a second it was @MikeSmithson unexpectedly come to ban me in person for
    exaggerating my wartime exploits, as David Niven explicitly warned against

    Turns out the Ukrainian authorities/police keep a really beady eye on any foreigners crossing any frontier - eg booking transnational bus tickets

    Yet again, however, Boris came in handy. When I confirmed I was from England he burst into a rare Slavic smile. “Ah, England. You are our friend. Good country!”

    They really do like us

    So, they're a lurker?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,972
    edited August 2023
    Nigelb said:

    nico679 said:

    I love meat.
    The meatier the better.
    I like offal a lot. When in France, I love the tripe sausage and the waiters are always surprised since I am obviously not an elderly red-faced Frenchman (ie the usual market for tripe sausage).

    (I also love venison, for the record).

    But vegans can do their thing, who cares?

    Omg the tripe sausage . I accidentally ordered that in a salad once . the taste and smell are one of the worst things I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across . I laughed when I read online others observations with one calling it hell on a plate .

    You must have a very hardy constitution!

    I’ll edit this it was indeed the worst thing I’ve ever eaten . To put it into one of the worst doesn’t do it justice !
    Not knowing what you are eating helps. A Romanian wedding I once went to had about eight courses at the meal. One had a series of small cooked meat pieces with dip sauces. They were rather nice. I also later found out they were brains and offal. I'm unsure I'd have liked them so much if I had known.

    Taste can be weird like that.
    Not with the French sausage.
    ..True andouillettes are rarely seen outside France and have a strong, distinctive odour coming from the colon...

    I had no idea what I was ordering at the time (pre internet) and thought it looked interesting on the French only menu.

    Rather nice it was not; definitely an example of 'true' andouillette.
    The issue is it’s not actually tripe (which is more neutral tasting), it’s intestine and kidney
    tubes.

    I tried one at a motorway services a couple of years ago as it’s always on the menu especially if you’re anywhere near Troyes. It starts fine: slightly Offaly sausage. But the kicker is the initially mild ammonia hum which gets stronger and stronger with each mouthful. Really not pleasant.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,955
    Phil said:

    Nigelb said:

    Meissner effect or bust: Day 8.5

    We made the rocks

    https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1687405505604734978

    Interesting! Looks like there is _something_ going on.

    All the samples seem to tilt as if they either aren't 100% pure, or there's some directionality to the effect.
    The theoretical analysis that’s been published suggests that the superconducting effect occurs down linear channels in the crystallised material, so you’d expect some directionality in the bulk properties I would imagine.
    And that's a first effort - they've several more in the furnace.
  • PeckPeck Posts: 517
    edited August 2023
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    The driver just made an enormously long announcement which at one point seemed to suggest we are going to Donetsk. Er

    I did a Google translate on his final words


    You openly posted details of your ticket on a forum which is monitored by the Russian authorities. If you end up in Donetsk - and I hope you don't - perhaps that was an unwise thing to do?
    Yeah, @alkyfromthespectator is top of the GRU's black bag list. FFS.
    Might be some mileage in it given who used to edit that rag.
    Also the narcos who work the Ukraine-Romania and Ukraine-Moldova borders might fancy a go. Screw the politics.

    He's so experienced he must know that DeepL is a better translator than Google Translate. That capitalised apparent gobbledegook probably contains a What3Words ref.

    Or else he's pulling everybody's plonker (same as when he kept posting photos of Hitler) and he's already in Romania.
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