LAB has 9% lead in BBC Projected National Share – politicalbetting.com
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84% Lib Dem vote in the Canterbury ward where my vineyard is.
Confirming the widely held view that the Yellow party wins in places where grapes are grown.
Just look at the French presidential maps. Macron yellow tones strung all along the slopes of the cote d’or and Loire valley while le penners sit muttering in the industrial valleys and républicains command the cattle farming uplands.4 -
You managed to vote 13 times? You must have an amazing IDs.Casino_Royale said:My guy got back in my ward by just 13 votes.
Good job I bothered!9 -
That's what puzzles me though. I imagine (and I have no real evidence for this other than anecdotes) that there's a fair amount of 'conservative' votes out there in Alba-land, Forbes-SNP-land, small business-land, etc. And instead they nail themselves to the mast of the HMS Truss, etc.Carnyx said:
I think they rather lost any claim to bank-managerial prudence when claiming we should subordinate ourselves to Mr Johnson, Ms. Truss, etc. as per voted for by rUk but not us Scots.ohnotnow said:
It often puzzles me why (somewhat locally) the SCons don't rebrand themselves as a more 1950's patriarchal, bank-manager-friendly, small-business-friendly, 'small c' version of themselves. They'd mop up a decent chunk of the vote I think.moonshine said:
It would be lush to have a credible right wing party to vote for. I don’t ask for much, just arresting the crazy rise in the fiscal transfer from the working to the non working, and reducing the size of the state and immigration from what are more or less all time highs. If they have time perhaps they’d like to invest a bit more in defence and economic strategic resilience (ENERGY), given the uncomfortably high prospects of the West entering a trade war or even hot war with China this decade.pigeon said:
It'll be fascinating and frightening in equal measure to see how much further to the Right the wounded and embittered remnants of the Conservative Party will drift should they lose.HYUFD said:
Exactly the Tories are heading for defeat as much as Labour was inMalmesbury said:
There won’t be a challenge until polling shows another Conservative MP getting noticeably more votes as potential leader than Sunak.Razedabode said:
They can have a leadership challenge. But not sure what that achieves - it’ll just ramp up pressure to call a general electionTheScreamingEagles said:The Tories and Sunak are in stepmom territory.
I was the expecting the former but not the latter.
Last week the Tories set expectations management at 1,000 seats lost which meant they were expecting 600-700 losses.
I expect a leadership challenge this year now.
There is no such person, at the moment.
2010 or the Tories were in 1997 (if fractionally less). Changing the leader and PM AGAIN will make sod all difference, indeed if anything Rishi polls slightly better than his party.
Better to just face the music and then rebuild under a new leader in Opposition
Forget mere voting, I’d go and campaign for that Party. As it is, I shall remain apathetic about the shades of socialist blancmange on offer to voters
But then I remember they are utterly useless and it becomes self-explanatory.
I suppose also going all out for the Rangers fans - the Queen's XI stuff - was seen as too peripheral.
Haven't seen any references to the King's XI yet.
Feels like a very obvious 'gap in the market' that they could have stepped comfortably into.
But then I picture D.Ross stood in a referee costume showing a red card to some cardboard cut-outs of Sturgeon, Salmond etc and think "oh."1 -
Its certainly bizarre.ping said:
This kind of strategy is directly imported from the US.Casino_Royale said:
"FIRSTNAME,Roger said:
Are we allowed to know the contents?TheScreamingEagles said:Greg Hands has sent such a tone deaf email that has annoyed me and others.
I know the results are disappointing. I know people are worried about what Labour councils will mean for their local communities.
But I want to be totally honest with you, FIRSTNAME.
These local elections are a massive wake-up call. If you want to stop Keir Starmer, then we have to come together now.
We don’t have any time to waste. So I’m urgently asking you to chip in whatever you can today.
For too many people, the local election results mean they’re faced with Labour councillors who want to raise tax and cut local services.
It’s disappointing in so many ways.
But that’s exactly why I don’t want to see the same thing happen at next year’s general election.
I don’t want to see Keir Starmer reopen Brexit.
I don’t want to see Angela Rayner enthusiastically give in to every union demand.
I don’t want to see David Lammy with the power to keep foreign criminals in the country.
FIRSTNAME, I don’t want the same people who tried to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister deciding what Britain’s future should look like.
If you don’t want to see that either, then I’m asking you to make an urgent donation today."
DONATE HERE button
It’s really shitty and I hope it backfires on every party, wherever they are - who uses it.
The once great Conservative Party has lost its moral compass.
"I know people are worried about what Labour councils will mean for their local communities"
Does Greg imagine that in the new Labour wards struggle sessions will begin a dawn?0 -
What an absolute pasting.
I take no pleasure in others’ misfortune (on the whole, anyway) but today’s been a great day for the Greens. Not just for results, but also as a vindication for focusing on actual environmental issues. And this current Conservative government really deserved to get walloped.
Though tbf nothing could make me laugh more than the comment upthread about Spaffer being the ‘moral leader of Europe’.3 -
A friend of mine - a Tory - has lost his seat. So whilst I am pleased overall, I am sad he's out of a job because he's a decent chap and did a good job by all accounts. Brutal business politics.7
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Boris. This election is the perfect storm for Sunak. Demolished in all parts of the country. Red Wall. Blue Wall. Leave. Remain.Jonathan said:Tories at a crossroads…
Are they heading to the right or to the centre or back to Boris. Carry on as they are and defeat beckons.
What will they do?
Barring a black swan, they are going to lose next year and that means an awful lot of redundant Tory MPs, and an awful lot of associations facing losing their council and their MP.
So why not force the black swan. And there is nothing blacker than Bringing Back Boris. If not him, then whom?0 -
NEW: Conservatives lose their majority on mid-Sussex to NOC. Lib Dems now the biggest group. Conservatives down 11. Lib Dems up 8.
Real discontent in True Blue world, has been brewing ever since Johnson arrived frankly.0 -
Perhaps also to the point, Mr Ross and the SCUP haven't shown themselves very consistent in their subordination to their London lords and masters/mistresses. Notably, their going to and fro over Mr Johnson, etc. What's a poor voter to do?ohnotnow said:
That's what puzzles me though. I imagine (and I have no real evidence for this other than anecdotes) that there's a fair amount of 'conservative' votes out there in Alba-land, Forbes-SNP-land, small business-land, etc. And instead they nail themselves to the mast of the HMS Truss, etc.Carnyx said:
I think they rather lost any claim to bank-managerial prudence when claiming we should subordinate ourselves to Mr Johnson, Ms. Truss, etc. as per voted for by rUk but not us Scots.ohnotnow said:
It often puzzles me why (somewhat locally) the SCons don't rebrand themselves as a more 1950's patriarchal, bank-manager-friendly, small-business-friendly, 'small c' version of themselves. They'd mop up a decent chunk of the vote I think.moonshine said:
It would be lush to have a credible right wing party to vote for. I don’t ask for much, just arresting the crazy rise in the fiscal transfer from the working to the non working, and reducing the size of the state and immigration from what are more or less all time highs. If they have time perhaps they’d like to invest a bit more in defence and economic strategic resilience (ENERGY), given the uncomfortably high prospects of the West entering a trade war or even hot war with China this decade.pigeon said:
It'll be fascinating and frightening in equal measure to see how much further to the Right the wounded and embittered remnants of the Conservative Party will drift should they lose.HYUFD said:
Exactly the Tories are heading for defeat as much as Labour was inMalmesbury said:
There won’t be a challenge until polling shows another Conservative MP getting noticeably more votes as potential leader than Sunak.Razedabode said:
They can have a leadership challenge. But not sure what that achieves - it’ll just ramp up pressure to call a general electionTheScreamingEagles said:The Tories and Sunak are in stepmom territory.
I was the expecting the former but not the latter.
Last week the Tories set expectations management at 1,000 seats lost which meant they were expecting 600-700 losses.
I expect a leadership challenge this year now.
There is no such person, at the moment.
2010 or the Tories were in 1997 (if fractionally less). Changing the leader and PM AGAIN will make sod all difference, indeed if anything Rishi polls slightly better than his party.
Better to just face the music and then rebuild under a new leader in Opposition
Forget mere voting, I’d go and campaign for that Party. As it is, I shall remain apathetic about the shades of socialist blancmange on offer to voters
But then I remember they are utterly useless and it becomes self-explanatory.
I suppose also going all out for the Rangers fans - the Queen's XI stuff - was seen as too peripheral.
Haven't seen any references to the King's XI yet.
Feels like a very obvious 'gap in the market' that they could have stepped comfortably into.
But then I picture D.Ross stood in a referee costume showing a red card to some cardboard cut-outs of Sturgeon, Salmond etc and think "oh."1 -
Yuprcs1000 said:
On the other hand, the Conservatives did far better in 1991.Sean_F said:
The Conservatives did (far) worse almost everywhere in 1995. Take Hertsmere, 8 seats out of 39, compared to 16 now. The Conservatives held 8 councils, compared to 30 something this time around.Andy_JS said:It would be interesting to compare this year's local elections with 1995. You'd probably find the Tories have done worse in upmarket areas this year but slightly better in downmarket ones. Walsall and Dudley for example.
So, expecting a result between 1992 and 1997 seems a reasonable bet
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Sounds like he’s part of a progressive trio there 🙂stodge said:I think @NickPalmer has been re-elected in Godalming. He's back with an LD and a Green - the Waverley result has the LDs on 22, the Farnham Residents on 13 and the Conservatives down eight to just ten seats.
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Take a look at the councils which have gone NOC. On so many of them it is very clear that it won't be a Tory minority administration. They are out...Dialup said:NEW: Conservatives lose their majority on mid-Sussex to NOC. Lib Dems now the biggest group. Conservatives down 11. Lib Dems up 8.
Real discontent in True Blue world, has been brewing ever since Johnson arrived frankly.0 -
https://twitter.com/GavinBarwell/status/1654573856990846976
In recent years, it has - bizarrely - crossed the road to pick up a fight with large groups of the electorate (Remainers, civil servants, people who work from home). It is now paying the price for that. Tactical voting could significantly reduce the swing Labour needs to win 9/90 -
I’ve been a bit disappointed at the lack of Tory civil war so far to be honest. They seem to be annoyingly standing by their man.RochdalePioneers said:
Boris. This election is the perfect storm for Sunak. Demolished in all parts of the country. Red Wall. Blue Wall. Leave. Remain.Jonathan said:Tories at a crossroads…
Are they heading to the right or to the centre or back to Boris. Carry on as they are and defeat beckons.
What will they do?
Barring a black swan, they are going to lose next year and that means an awful lot of redundant Tory MPs, and an awful lot of associations facing losing their council and their MP.
So why not force the black swan. And there is nothing blacker than Bringing Back Boris. If not him, then whom?0 -
Conservative fundraising letter posted on PB is pretty typical of the genre, if not exactly one of the better (in fundraising if no other) sense.
Interesting that Toxic Yard Gnome (aka Jeremy Corbyn) is still prime Tory donor bait.
Reminds me of how Democratic fundraising letters made a meal and more off of Newt Gingrich for decades. Heck, his name still pops up occasionally as GOP Boogie Man in such screeds.
What this letter may have needed, was another page or two to pour a wee bit o' balm on the tormented Tory soul . . . before laying on Keir Fear in order to pick the tormented Tory pocket.
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The Tories on Ashford Council describe themselves as “Local Conservatives” I note. Are they all doing this? Is it to disassociate themselves from the “National Conservatives” or for some other reason?0
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Could add anyone paying NI as opposed to self-employed* and the pensioners.Dialup said:https://twitter.com/GavinBarwell/status/1654573856990846976
In recent years, it has - bizarrely - crossed the road to pick up a fight with large groups of the electorate (Remainers, civil servants, people who work from home). It is now paying the price for that. Tactical voting could significantly reduce the swing Labour needs to win 9/9
*Those who pay themselves in dividends rather than a salary.0 -
In a lot of the South I think water pollution has been a real galvanising force. Ignored by the government but extremely salient. Only the Lib Dems and Greens have bothered to make anything of it.RochdalePioneers said:
Take a look at the councils which have gone NOC. On so many of them it is very clear that it won't be a Tory minority administration. They are out...Dialup said:NEW: Conservatives lose their majority on mid-Sussex to NOC. Lib Dems now the biggest group. Conservatives down 11. Lib Dems up 8.
Real discontent in True Blue world, has been brewing ever since Johnson arrived frankly.3 -
Arun, Bedford, New Forest and Redcar & Cleveland to go.1
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Rivers and seas, both. Edit: and much of the former ends up being drunk, too.TimS said:
In a lot of the South I think water pollution has been a real galvanising force. Ignored by the government but extremely salient. Only the Lib Dems and Greens have bothered to make anything of it.RochdalePioneers said:
Take a look at the councils which have gone NOC. On so many of them it is very clear that it won't be a Tory minority administration. They are out...Dialup said:NEW: Conservatives lose their majority on mid-Sussex to NOC. Lib Dems now the biggest group. Conservatives down 11. Lib Dems up 8.
Real discontent in True Blue world, has been brewing ever since Johnson arrived frankly.0 -
That really might finish them off for a generation.RochdalePioneers said:
Boris. This election is the perfect storm for Sunak. Demolished in all parts of the country. Red Wall. Blue Wall. Leave. Remain.Jonathan said:Tories at a crossroads…
Are they heading to the right or to the centre or back to Boris. Carry on as they are and defeat beckons.
What will they do?
Barring a black swan, they are going to lose next year and that means an awful lot of redundant Tory MPs, and an awful lot of associations facing losing their council and their MP.
So why not force the black swan. And there is nothing blacker than Bringing Back Boris. If not him, then whom?2 -
Trolling is always spotted quicklyOmnium said:
Goodbye Dialup, I hope it's been worth it.Dialup said:
I once ran over a squirrel and drove off.Omnium said:
Ok, well that's fine. Anything you want to add before you die?Dialup said:
I don't know what the PB clubhouse is I am afraid.Omnium said:
Wow. That's astonishing - have you not been to the PB clubhouse - you know there's free beer there?Dialup said:
I haven't met anyone on here in real life so I don't think I'd call them friends. I've got real life for that, this is more of an escape.Omnium said:
Many fine beers. I'm interested, do you have friends on PB?Dialup said:
To the IoW yes but not there. What beers have they got?Omnium said:
I rather like the pubs in CrapPlace on the IoW - have you been there?Dialup said:
Thanks mate, looking forward to getting a few days out of London, work has been rather full on of late so looking forward to the fresh air of the pub!londonpubman said:
Yes Somerset is good. Lots of good pubs there. Enjoy it 👍Dialup said:
I'm down in Somerset next week, looking forward to becoming DialupPubman!londonpubman said:
Unfortunately I am simply the latter. Not at the moment but quite regularly 👍SeaShantyIrish2 said:My question for Londonpubman is, are you an actual publican somewhere in the Great Wen? Or just propping up the bar?
IF answer is the former, do you offer a psephologist's discount? Or at least allow us to run a tab!
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They'll still be going on about Mr Corbyn for another 15 years at least, even if he is neither a MP nor in Labour. The Winter of Discontent and the inflation of the early 1970s was held out to me as a reason for not voting for Mr Blair in 1997!SeaShantyIrish2 said:Conservative fundraising letter posted on PB is pretty typical of the genre, if not exactly one of the better (in fundraising if no other) sense.
Interesting that Toxic Yard Gnome (aka Jeremy Corbyn) is still prime Tory donor bait.
Reminds me of how Democratic fundraising letters made a meal and more off of Newt Gingrich for decades. Heck, his name still pops up occasionally as GOP Boogie Man in such screeds.
What this letter may have needed, was another page or two to pour a wee bit o' balm on the tormented Tory soul . . . before laying on Keir Fear in order to pick the tormented Tory pocket.0 -
It’s a perfect Lib Dem/Green issue/policy.TimS said:
In a lot of the South I think water pollution has been a real galvanising force. Ignored by the government but extremely salient. Only the Lib Dems and Greens have bothered to make anything of it.RochdalePioneers said:
Take a look at the councils which have gone NOC. On so many of them it is very clear that it won't be a Tory minority administration. They are out...Dialup said:NEW: Conservatives lose their majority on mid-Sussex to NOC. Lib Dems now the biggest group. Conservatives down 11. Lib Dems up 8.
Real discontent in True Blue world, has been brewing ever since Johnson arrived frankly.
It’s Clegg/tuition fees, all over again.
“Do you want to tax people, to the tune of hundred billion quid, in order to stop 0.1% of our sewage going into rivers/the sea?”
I don’t know the figures, but they can’t be far off.0 -
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/immersive-exhibit-with-tree-kangaroos-red-pandas-coming-to-seattle/Carnyx said:
They already have invaded PB. In the person of @bondegezou .SeaShantyIrish2 said:Tree kangaroos soon to invade Seattle (via Woodland Park Zoo).
King Charles, please explain?!?
I am glad to see this initiative in support of my cousins, the Matschie’s tree kangaroos.0 -
I remember being absolutely fascinated by the rock wallabies at Sydney Zoo and their ability to get ip an apparently vertical rock face - rubbery feet for a start. But different genera ...bondegezou said:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/immersive-exhibit-with-tree-kangaroos-red-pandas-coming-to-seattle/Carnyx said:
They already have invaded PB. In the person of @bondegezou .SeaShantyIrish2 said:Tree kangaroos soon to invade Seattle (via Woodland Park Zoo).
King Charles, please explain?!?
I am glad to see this initiative in support of my cousins, the Matschie’s tree kangaroos.0 -
The chances of the Tories getting together to stop Labour is approximately 0pc. Just remember the "Bastards" in Majors 1992 Govt.....1
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It's not a silly caricature at all. The whole of the last thirteen years has been, in essence, about protecting both the well-to-do elderly and their assets/legacies from the impact of the litany of disasters that has befallen us, whilst beating the absolute crap out of everybody and everything else. It's been socialism for the aged owners of big houses and their expectant heirs, and the icy blasts of the global free market for everybody else.Casino_Royale said:
Err, no. That's a silly caricature like abolishing the NHS, or furthering the old boy network.pigeon said:
The Conservative Party exists for the purposes of funnelling what's left of the nation's wealth upwards and into the pockets of the already well-off.Casino_Royale said:
I don't think we'll be back for quite a long time.londonpubman said:
AgreedHYUFD said:
Exactly the Tories are heading for defeat as much as Labour was inMalmesbury said:
There won’t be a challenge until polling shows another Conservative MP getting noticeably more votes as potential leader than Sunak.Razedabode said:
They can have a leadership challenge. But not sure what that achieves - it’ll just ramp up pressure to call a general electionTheScreamingEagles said:The Tories and Sunak are in stepmom territory.
I was the expecting the former but not the latter.
Last week the Tories set expectations management at 1,000 seats lost which meant they were expecting 600-700 losses.
I expect a leadership challenge this year now.
There is no such person, at the moment.
2010 or the Tories were in 1997 (if fractionally less). Changing the leader and PM AGAIN will make sod all difference, indeed if anything Rishi polls slightly better than his party.
Better to just face the music and then rebuild under a new leader in Opposition
I don't want LAB to win and won't be voting for them but we could do worse than ending up with say 260 seats, rebuild and rediscover our focus and direction, and hopefully come back at the following GE.
I'm not convinced we worked out what we were really for last time, and we had 13 years of Labour to do it too.
There are still a lot of well-off people about - thus, the Conservative Party is a very long way from being a lost cause. Yes, the most likely outcome of the next election is that the Tories will end up in Opposition, but they'll be able to entertain realistic ambitions of a return to Government at the first attempt.
Labour is terrified of taxing the assets of the wealthy, and without the extra money it can't do anything useful to help the poor, and risks being written off as pointless and useless by everyone.
It's more they didn't really know how to respond to the defeats of New Labour and the 1990s so decided to adopt its social policy and then small-state austerity whilst protecting pensioners with a big state. All tactical, defensive and nervous stuff - and no real bold leadership. Other wings kept fighting their corner too, and it's run through the mill that whole time.
It's not hard: it's patriotism and economic prosperity, with a hard dose of pragmatism on top. But, they seem to forget that and have cleaved or stolen the wrong dogmas as a subs
The young are really, really suffering and all the Conservative Party has to offer is ever-higher taxes to fund old people's triple-locked pensions and their healthcare, and rampant Nimbyism which means that all those who can't call on fat gifts or inheritances to compensate for stratospheric property prices face spending their entire lives paying exorbitant rents and working until they drop down dead to survive. For most people who aren't already rich or supported by rich families, there is no hope of prosperity and security, and that's it.4 -
That’s not doxxing.Dialup said:
I am not. But you're the second poster today trying to dox me. Reported.squareroot2 said:
You wouldn't be correct horse battery by any chance. That poster sucked up to other posters....Dialup said:
You're an excellent poster of the right, very reliable and well informed, thanks for postinglondonpubman said:
So do INigel_Foremain said:
I think that is perfectly possibleDialup said:I don't think we're marching towards 1997.
We're marching towards 2010 in reverse.0 -
Do you genuinely believe that taxation is the solution to most problems rather than wealth creation?pigeon said:
The Conservative Party exists for the purposes of funnelling what's left of the nation's wealth upwards and into the pockets of the already well-off.Casino_Royale said:
I don't think we'll be back for quite a long time.londonpubman said:
AgreedHYUFD said:
Exactly the Tories are heading for defeat as much as Labour was inMalmesbury said:
There won’t be a challenge until polling shows another Conservative MP getting noticeably more votes as potential leader than Sunak.Razedabode said:
They can have a leadership challenge. But not sure what that achieves - it’ll just ramp up pressure to call a general electionTheScreamingEagles said:The Tories and Sunak are in stepmom territory.
I was the expecting the former but not the latter.
Last week the Tories set expectations management at 1,000 seats lost which meant they were expecting 600-700 losses.
I expect a leadership challenge this year now.
There is no such person, at the moment.
2010 or the Tories were in 1997 (if fractionally less). Changing the leader and PM AGAIN will make sod all difference, indeed if anything Rishi polls slightly better than his party.
Better to just face the music and then rebuild under a new leader in Opposition
I don't want LAB to win and won't be voting for them but we could do worse than ending up with say 260 seats, rebuild and rediscover our focus and direction, and hopefully come back at the following GE.
I'm not convinced we worked out what we were really for last time, and we had 13 years of Labour to do it too.
There are still a lot of well-off people about - thus, the Conservative Party is a very long way from being a lost cause. Yes, the most likely outcome of the next election is that the Tories will end up in Opposition, but they'll be able to entertain realistic ambitions of a return to Government at the first attempt.
Labour is terrified of taxing the assets of the wealthy, and without the extra money it can't do anything useful to help the poor, and risks being written off as pointless and useless by everyone.0 -
Environmental issues is a bit much. Tractor country didn't vote for net zero.Ghedebrav said:What an absolute pasting.
I take no pleasure in others’ misfortune (on the whole, anyway) but today’s been a great day for the Greens. Not just for results, but also as a vindication for focusing on actual environmental issues. And this current Conservative government really deserved to get walloped.
Though tbf nothing could make me laugh more than the comment upthread about Spaffer being the ‘moral leader of Europe’.0 -
Such is the nature of modernity that it is quite possible this isn't a spoof.Casino_Royale said:
"FIRSTNAME,Roger said:
Are we allowed to know the contents?TheScreamingEagles said:Greg Hands has sent such a tone deaf email that has annoyed me and others.
I know the results are disappointing. I know people are worried about what Labour councils will mean for their local communities.
But I want to be totally honest with you, FIRSTNAME.
These local elections are a massive wake-up call. If you want to stop Keir Starmer, then we have to come together now.
We don’t have any time to waste. So I’m urgently asking you to chip in whatever you can today.
For too many people, the local election results mean they’re faced with Labour councillors who want to raise tax and cut local services.
It’s disappointing in so many ways.
But that’s exactly why I don’t want to see the same thing happen at next year’s general election.
I don’t want to see Keir Starmer reopen Brexit.
I don’t want to see Angela Rayner enthusiastically give in to every union demand.
I don’t want to see David Lammy with the power to keep foreign criminals in the country.
FIRSTNAME, I don’t want the same people who tried to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister deciding what Britain’s future should look like.
If you don’t want to see that either, then I’m asking you to make an urgent donation today."
DONATE HERE button
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Still four slacker councils left to declare.0
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Very different creatures. Rock wallabies are perfectly adapted for the rocks, whereas us tree kangaroos are poorly adapted for climbing trees, but, hey, no-one else was doing it so we thought we'd have a go.Carnyx said:
I remember being absolutely fascinated by the rock wallabies at Sydney Zoo and their ability to get ip an apparently vertical rock face - rubbery feet for a start. But different genera ...bondegezou said:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/immersive-exhibit-with-tree-kangaroos-red-pandas-coming-to-seattle/Carnyx said:
They already have invaded PB. In the person of @bondegezou .SeaShantyIrish2 said:Tree kangaroos soon to invade Seattle (via Woodland Park Zoo).
King Charles, please explain?!?
I am glad to see this initiative in support of my cousins, the Matschie’s tree kangaroos.2 -
LAB largest party but just short or small LAB majority is where we're at.rcs1000 said:
On the other hand, the Conservatives did far better in 1991.Sean_F said:
The Conservatives did (far) worse almost everywhere in 1995. Take Hertsmere, 8 seats out of 39, compared to 16 now. The Conservatives held 8 councils, compared to 30 something this time around.Andy_JS said:It would be interesting to compare this year's local elections with 1995. You'd probably find the Tories have done worse in upmarket areas this year but slightly better in downmarket ones. Walsall and Dudley for example.
So, expecting a result between 1992 and 1997 seems a reasonable bet
That's assuming CON don't try and do something desperate like bring back Boris and Liz. If they do... The BBC will be able to get the champagne in and party like it's 1997 lol...
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A better threeesome you could not wish for, I am sure.Andy_JS said:Godalming Binscombe & Charterhouse:
Paul Sidney RIVERS Liberal Democrats 1377 21.1% Elected
Stephen Edward Dalton WILLIAMS Green Party Candidate 1280 19.6% Elected
Nick PALMER Labour Party 1061 16.3% Elected
......................................................................................................................................................
Steve COSSER The Conservative Party Candidate 984 15.1% Not elected
Ed HOLLIDAY The Conservative Party Candidate 954 14.6% Not elected
Daniel Ali HUSSEINI The Conservative Party Candidate 860 13.2% Not elected
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In 1945, there was a reason that Winston Church and other Conservative & allied candidates, campaigned under the "National" label.DougSeal said:The Tories on Ashford Council describe themselves as “Local Conservatives” I note. Are they all doing this? Is it to disassociate themselves from the “National Conservatives” or for some other reason?
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A smart policy, perhaps for Starmer, would be “we’re going to force the water companies to replace x% of the sewage pipes, every single year until the problem is solved, without putting your water bills up by even a penny.”ping said:
It’s a perfect Lib Dem/Green issue/policy.TimS said:
In a lot of the South I think water pollution has been a real galvanising force. Ignored by the government but extremely salient. Only the Lib Dems and Greens have bothered to make anything of it.RochdalePioneers said:
Take a look at the councils which have gone NOC. On so many of them it is very clear that it won't be a Tory minority administration. They are out...Dialup said:NEW: Conservatives lose their majority on mid-Sussex to NOC. Lib Dems now the biggest group. Conservatives down 11. Lib Dems up 8.
Real discontent in True Blue world, has been brewing ever since Johnson arrived frankly.
It’s Clegg/tuition fees, all over again.
“Do you want to tax people, to the tune of hundred billion quid, in order to stop 0.1% of our sewage going into rivers/the sea?”
I don’t know the figures, but they can’t be far off.
Maybe replace x% with Xthousand miles, for greater impact.0 -
I think it requires both, surely.Andy_JS said:
Do you genuinely believe that taxation is the solution to most problems rather than wealth creation?pigeon said:
The Conservative Party exists for the purposes of funnelling what's left of the nation's wealth upwards and into the pockets of the already well-off.Casino_Royale said:
I don't think we'll be back for quite a long time.londonpubman said:
AgreedHYUFD said:
Exactly the Tories are heading for defeat as much as Labour was inMalmesbury said:
There won’t be a challenge until polling shows another Conservative MP getting noticeably more votes as potential leader than Sunak.Razedabode said:
They can have a leadership challenge. But not sure what that achieves - it’ll just ramp up pressure to call a general electionTheScreamingEagles said:The Tories and Sunak are in stepmom territory.
I was the expecting the former but not the latter.
Last week the Tories set expectations management at 1,000 seats lost which meant they were expecting 600-700 losses.
I expect a leadership challenge this year now.
There is no such person, at the moment.
2010 or the Tories were in 1997 (if fractionally less). Changing the leader and PM AGAIN will make sod all difference, indeed if anything Rishi polls slightly better than his party.
Better to just face the music and then rebuild under a new leader in Opposition
I don't want LAB to win and won't be voting for them but we could do worse than ending up with say 260 seats, rebuild and rediscover our focus and direction, and hopefully come back at the following GE.
I'm not convinced we worked out what we were really for last time, and we had 13 years of Labour to do it too.
There are still a lot of well-off people about - thus, the Conservative Party is a very long way from being a lost cause. Yes, the most likely outcome of the next election is that the Tories will end up in Opposition, but they'll be able to entertain realistic ambitions of a return to Government at the first attempt.
Labour is terrified of taxing the assets of the wealthy, and without the extra money it can't do anything useful to help the poor, and risks being written off as pointless and useless by everyone.1 -
Indeed.MightyAlex said:
Its certainly bizarre.ping said:
This kind of strategy is directly imported from the US.Casino_Royale said:
"FIRSTNAME,Roger said:
Are we allowed to know the contents?TheScreamingEagles said:Greg Hands has sent such a tone deaf email that has annoyed me and others.
I know the results are disappointing. I know people are worried about what Labour councils will mean for their local communities.
But I want to be totally honest with you, FIRSTNAME.
These local elections are a massive wake-up call. If you want to stop Keir Starmer, then we have to come together now.
We don’t have any time to waste. So I’m urgently asking you to chip in whatever you can today.
For too many people, the local election results mean they’re faced with Labour councillors who want to raise tax and cut local services.
It’s disappointing in so many ways.
But that’s exactly why I don’t want to see the same thing happen at next year’s general election.
I don’t want to see Keir Starmer reopen Brexit.
I don’t want to see Angela Rayner enthusiastically give in to every union demand.
I don’t want to see David Lammy with the power to keep foreign criminals in the country.
FIRSTNAME, I don’t want the same people who tried to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister deciding what Britain’s future should look like.
If you don’t want to see that either, then I’m asking you to make an urgent donation today."
DONATE HERE button
It’s really shitty and I hope it backfires on every party, wherever they are - who uses it.
The once great Conservative Party has lost its moral compass.
"I know people are worried about what Labour councils will mean for their local communities"
Does Greg imagine that in the new Labour wards struggle sessions will begin a dawn?
And do Labour councils really WANT to cut services? They have to.
But I severely doubt they want to.
Indeed the line has always been that they want to be spendthrift.0 -
It is totally unnecessaryturbotubbs said:
That’s not doxxing.Dialup said:
I am not. But you're the second poster today trying to dox me. Reported.squareroot2 said:
You wouldn't be correct horse battery by any chance. That poster sucked up to other posters....Dialup said:
You're an excellent poster of the right, very reliable and well informed, thanks for postinglondonpubman said:
So do INigel_Foremain said:
I think that is perfectly possibleDialup said:I don't think we're marching towards 1997.
We're marching towards 2010 in reverse.0 -
And they're really not the sort of places to be mollified by Bringing Boris Back.RochdalePioneers said:
Take a look at the councils which have gone NOC. On so many of them it is very clear that it won't be a Tory minority administration. They are out...Dialup said:NEW: Conservatives lose their majority on mid-Sussex to NOC. Lib Dems now the biggest group. Conservatives down 11. Lib Dems up 8.
Real discontent in True Blue world, has been brewing ever since Johnson arrived frankly.
Same story in Hampshire, where the Conservatives now run
Test Valley
Rushmoor (though they lost badly in the seats up last night)
Havant (they got exactly half of the seats fought yesterday)
Fareham (no elections yesterday because they have a two year cycle)
and New Forest is touch and go.1 -
Stockton looks to be possibly going Tory minority control - depends on which side the various independent groups choose. Whilst I despise much of the ruling Labour group on a personal level, what has ben happening in the town is genuinely good.dixiedean said:
Indeed.MightyAlex said:
Its certainly bizarre.ping said:
This kind of strategy is directly imported from the US.Casino_Royale said:
"FIRSTNAME,Roger said:
Are we allowed to know the contents?TheScreamingEagles said:Greg Hands has sent such a tone deaf email that has annoyed me and others.
I know the results are disappointing. I know people are worried about what Labour councils will mean for their local communities.
But I want to be totally honest with you, FIRSTNAME.
These local elections are a massive wake-up call. If you want to stop Keir Starmer, then we have to come together now.
We don’t have any time to waste. So I’m urgently asking you to chip in whatever you can today.
For too many people, the local election results mean they’re faced with Labour councillors who want to raise tax and cut local services.
It’s disappointing in so many ways.
But that’s exactly why I don’t want to see the same thing happen at next year’s general election.
I don’t want to see Keir Starmer reopen Brexit.
I don’t want to see Angela Rayner enthusiastically give in to every union demand.
I don’t want to see David Lammy with the power to keep foreign criminals in the country.
FIRSTNAME, I don’t want the same people who tried to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister deciding what Britain’s future should look like.
If you don’t want to see that either, then I’m asking you to make an urgent donation today."
DONATE HERE button
It’s really shitty and I hope it backfires on every party, wherever they are - who uses it.
The once great Conservative Party has lost its moral compass.
"I know people are worried about what Labour councils will mean for their local communities"
Does Greg imagine that in the new Labour wards struggle sessions will begin a dawn?
And do Labour councils really WANT to cut services? They have to.
But I severely doubt they want to.
Indeed the line has always been that they want to be spendthrift.
The Tories have opposed every bit of the reinvention of the town centre, whilst proposing no plans of their own. So I wonder if they get control that they will cancel the planned riverside park and instead leave a large bulldozed area derelict because to do anything will be "too expensive"?0 -
Loyalty and duty really matter to me as values.Benpointer said:
Why do you feel you have a duty to them? Genuine question.Casino_Royale said:These results are truly terrible for the Conservatives, no question.
I only really voted for them out of duty. They do nothing for me.2 -
I respect that.Casino_Royale said:
Loyalty and duty really matter to me as values.Benpointer said:
Why do you feel you have a duty to them? Genuine question.Casino_Royale said:These results are truly terrible for the Conservatives, no question.
I only really voted for them out of duty. They do nothing for me.0 -
Since this IS ostensibly a betting site, will wager NPxMP can think of an even-better example.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
A better threeesome you could not wish for, I am sure.Andy_JS said:Godalming Binscombe & Charterhouse:
Paul Sidney RIVERS Liberal Democrats 1377 21.1% Elected
Stephen Edward Dalton WILLIAMS Green Party Candidate 1280 19.6% Elected
Nick PALMER Labour Party 1061 16.3% Elected
......................................................................................................................................................
Steve COSSER The Conservative Party Candidate 984 15.1% Not elected
Ed HOLLIDAY The Conservative Party Candidate 954 14.6% Not elected
Daniel Ali HUSSEINI The Conservative Party Candidate 860 13.2% Not elected
https://modgov.waverley.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?XXR=0&ID=432&RPID=178592604 -
Is that the sound of you resigning the PB Tory whip and striking out as an independent poster?squareroot2 said:The chances of the Tories getting together to stop Labour is approximately 0pc. Just remember the "Bastards" in Majors 1992 Govt.....
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If the local elections are a guide for the next general election, it looks like the surge in support for the Greens may deprive Starmer of an overall majority. A little bit of introspection’s needed from the Labour leadership, not bullish briefings about being ready for Number 10
https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1654531684061020175
This was the guy that ran Becky's leadership campaign.0 -
He needs to say what colour it isOmnium said:
Ok, well that's fine. Anything you want to add before you die?Dialup said:
I don't know what the PB clubhouse is I am afraid.Omnium said:
Wow. That's astonishing - have you not been to the PB clubhouse - you know there's free beer there?Dialup said:
I haven't met anyone on here in real life so I don't think I'd call them friends. I've got real life for that, this is more of an escape.Omnium said:
Many fine beers. I'm interested, do you have friends on PB?Dialup said:
To the IoW yes but not there. What beers have they got?Omnium said:
I rather like the pubs in CrapPlace on the IoW - have you been there?Dialup said:
Thanks mate, looking forward to getting a few days out of London, work has been rather full on of late so looking forward to the fresh air of the pub!londonpubman said:
Yes Somerset is good. Lots of good pubs there. Enjoy it 👍Dialup said:
I'm down in Somerset next week, looking forward to becoming DialupPubman!londonpubman said:
Unfortunately I am simply the latter. Not at the moment but quite regularly 👍SeaShantyIrish2 said:My question for Londonpubman is, are you an actual publican somewhere in the Great Wen? Or just propping up the bar?
IF answer is the former, do you offer a psephologist's discount? Or at least allow us to run a tab!0 -
Environmental issues aren’t just net zero. But I meant rather than the culture war stuff that the Scottish Greens have become too focused on.EPG said:
Environmental issues is a bit much. Tractor country didn't vote for net zero.Ghedebrav said:What an absolute pasting.
I take no pleasure in others’ misfortune (on the whole, anyway) but today’s been a great day for the Greens. Not just for results, but also as a vindication for focusing on actual environmental issues. And this current Conservative government really deserved to get walloped.
Though tbf nothing could make me laugh more than the comment upthread about Spaffer being the ‘moral leader of Europe’.1 -
Not exactly "big trouble" on Alton town council. That's like saying your navy is in trouble because your paper boat has taken water on Frensham Pond.Dialup said:
The Tories are in big trouble in Guildford, Farnham, Haslemere, Winchester, AltonAndy_JS said:Godalming Binscombe & Charterhouse:
Paul Sidney RIVERS Liberal Democrats 1377 21.1% Elected
Stephen Edward Dalton WILLIAMS Green Party Candidate 1280 19.6% Elected
Nick PALMER Labour Party 1061 16.3% Elected
......................................................................................................................................................
Steve COSSER The Conservative Party Candidate 984 15.1% Not elected
Ed HOLLIDAY The Conservative Party Candidate 954 14.6% Not elected
Daniel Ali HUSSEINI The Conservative Party Candidate 860 13.2% Not elected
https://modgov.waverley.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?XXR=0&ID=432&RPID=17859260
The Lib Dems have won most of Petersfield and Alton, as they have in the past before, whilst the Tories have held onto my ward and all the rural parishes; the Whitehill & Bordon Independents have sweeped those towns, and all of that combined has flipped East Hants to NOC.1 -
Redviewcode said:
He needs to say what colour it isOmnium said:
Ok, well that's fine. Anything you want to add before you die?Dialup said:
I don't know what the PB clubhouse is I am afraid.Omnium said:
Wow. That's astonishing - have you not been to the PB clubhouse - you know there's free beer there?Dialup said:
I haven't met anyone on here in real life so I don't think I'd call them friends. I've got real life for that, this is more of an escape.Omnium said:
Many fine beers. I'm interested, do you have friends on PB?Dialup said:
To the IoW yes but not there. What beers have they got?Omnium said:
I rather like the pubs in CrapPlace on the IoW - have you been there?Dialup said:
Thanks mate, looking forward to getting a few days out of London, work has been rather full on of late so looking forward to the fresh air of the pub!londonpubman said:
Yes Somerset is good. Lots of good pubs there. Enjoy it 👍Dialup said:
I'm down in Somerset next week, looking forward to becoming DialupPubman!londonpubman said:
Unfortunately I am simply the latter. Not at the moment but quite regularly 👍SeaShantyIrish2 said:My question for Londonpubman is, are you an actual publican somewhere in the Great Wen? Or just propping up the bar?
IF answer is the former, do you offer a psephologist's discount? Or at least allow us to run a tab!0 -
It’s a bit of fun on PB. Old members sometimes reappear in new guises, not unlike the doctor in Dr Who. Often they are easy to spot by the style.Dialup said:
It is totally unnecessaryturbotubbs said:
That’s not doxxing.Dialup said:
I am not. But you're the second poster today trying to dox me. Reported.squareroot2 said:
You wouldn't be correct horse battery by any chance. That poster sucked up to other posters....Dialup said:
You're an excellent poster of the right, very reliable and well informed, thanks for postinglondonpubman said:
So do INigel_Foremain said:
I think that is perfectly possibleDialup said:I don't think we're marching towards 1997.
We're marching towards 2010 in reverse.
Some of your posts are eerily similar to a departed member and people make connections (that may or may not be right).
No point getting worked up about it. Enjoy the resurgent Labour Party - don’t be surprised if this is the high spot on the way to a much tougher GE than many think.0 -
turbotubbs said:
That’s not doxxing.Dialup said:
I am not. But you're the second poster today trying to dox me. Reported.squareroot2 said:
You wouldn't be correct horse battery by any chance. That poster sucked up to other posters....Dialup said:
You're an excellent poster of the right, very reliable and well informed, thanks for postinglondonpubman said:
So do INigel_Foremain said:
I think that is perfectly possibleDialup said:I don't think we're marching towards 1997.
We're marching towards 2010 in reverse.
No it isn't. Your posting style is renarkably similar to CHB who tried chummy tactics ...Dialup said:
It is totally unnecessaryturbotubbs said:
That’s not doxxing.Dialup said:
I am not. But you're the second poster today trying to dox me. Reported.squareroot2 said:
You wouldn't be correct horse battery by any chance. That poster sucked up to other posters....Dialup said:
You're an excellent poster of the right, very reliable and well informed, thanks for postinglondonpubman said:
So do INigel_Foremain said:
I think that is perfectly possibleDialup said:I don't think we're marching towards 1997.
We're marching towards 2010 in reverse.0 -
Damian Hinds is in trouble come the next election.Casino_Royale said:
Not exactly "big trouble" on Alton town council. That's like saying your navy is in trouble because your paper boat has taken water on Frensham Pond.Dialup said:
The Tories are in big trouble in Guildford, Farnham, Haslemere, Winchester, AltonAndy_JS said:Godalming Binscombe & Charterhouse:
Paul Sidney RIVERS Liberal Democrats 1377 21.1% Elected
Stephen Edward Dalton WILLIAMS Green Party Candidate 1280 19.6% Elected
Nick PALMER Labour Party 1061 16.3% Elected
......................................................................................................................................................
Steve COSSER The Conservative Party Candidate 984 15.1% Not elected
Ed HOLLIDAY The Conservative Party Candidate 954 14.6% Not elected
Daniel Ali HUSSEINI The Conservative Party Candidate 860 13.2% Not elected
https://modgov.waverley.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?XXR=0&ID=432&RPID=17859260
The Lib Dems have won most of Petersfield and Alton, as they have in the past before, whilst the Tories have held onto my ward and all the rural parishes; the Whitehill & Bordon Independents have sweeped those towns, and all of that combined has flipped East Hants to NOC.0 -
"A Derbyshire election contest was abandoned while counting was underway after one of the candidates died. Gillian Lemmon, aged 52, Conservative Party candidate in the Hilton ward on South Derbyshire District Council, died today (May 5) at around 12.45pm after sudden health difficulties.
As a result, Ardip Sandhu, the council’s returning officer, made a decision to abandon the count entirely and to instead organise a full by-election for the three-councillor ward at a later date. If Ms Lemmon had died after the result was declared there would only have been a by-election for her seat, not all three"
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/dedicated-conservative-candidate-dies-counting-84185531 -
LOL. Do we want water quality at around the EU average? Yes, we do.ping said:
It’s a perfect Lib Dem/Green issue/policy.TimS said:
In a lot of the South I think water pollution has been a real galvanising force. Ignored by the government but extremely salient. Only the Lib Dems and Greens have bothered to make anything of it.RochdalePioneers said:
Take a look at the councils which have gone NOC. On so many of them it is very clear that it won't be a Tory minority administration. They are out...Dialup said:NEW: Conservatives lose their majority on mid-Sussex to NOC. Lib Dems now the biggest group. Conservatives down 11. Lib Dems up 8.
Real discontent in True Blue world, has been brewing ever since Johnson arrived frankly.
It’s Clegg/tuition fees, all over again.
“Do you want to tax people, to the tune of hundred billion quid, in order to stop 0.1% of our sewage going into rivers/the sea?”
I don’t know the figures, but they can’t be far off.0 -
You're a wonderful poster, it is such a pleasure to have you here with us, providing wit and insight at every turn.squareroot2 said:
No it isn't. I am.just wondering if you used to.post under another identity. I have not revealed your identity. Why woukd I botherturbotubbs said:
That’s not doxxing.Dialup said:
I am not. But you're the second poster today trying to dox me. Reported.squareroot2 said:
You wouldn't be correct horse battery by any chance. That poster sucked up to other posters....Dialup said:
You're an excellent poster of the right, very reliable and well informed, thanks for postinglondonpubman said:
So do INigel_Foremain said:
I think that is perfectly possibleDialup said:I don't think we're marching towards 1997.
We're marching towards 2010 in reverse.
No it isn't. It's renarkably similar to CHB who tried chummy tactics ...Dialup said:
It is totally unnecessaryturbotubbs said:
That’s not doxxing.Dialup said:
I am not. But you're the second poster today trying to dox me. Reported.squareroot2 said:
You wouldn't be correct horse battery by any chance. That poster sucked up to other posters....Dialup said:
You're an excellent poster of the right, very reliable and well informed, thanks for postinglondonpubman said:
So do INigel_Foremain said:
I think that is perfectly possibleDialup said:I don't think we're marching towards 1997.
We're marching towards 2010 in reverse.0 -
Sure, and that's fine, but doesn't really answer the question.Casino_Royale said:
Loyalty and duty really matter to me as values.Benpointer said:
Why do you feel you have a duty to them? Genuine question.Casino_Royale said:These results are truly terrible for the Conservatives, no question.
I only really voted for them out of duty. They do nothing for me.
It's all wonderful and admirable if you feel you have a duty to volunteer at the Royal British Legion because of all that they and their members have done over their lives, and then fulfil that duty.
But why is it a duty to vote for a political party? Or buy a particular brand of chocolate bar or whatever? From whence does the sense of moral obligation arise?0 -
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1654502460013318144
The Prime Minister Rishi Sunak delivered takeaways to Conservative HQ on the morning after local elections0 -
There are wild wallabies in France, not far from Paris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_kangaroo
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What can the Tories do to win back support they've lost?0
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Correct, they'll enthusiastically fight and blame each other to make the defeat as bad as possible.squareroot2 said:The chances of the Tories getting together to stop Labour is approximately 0pc. Just remember the "Bastards" in Majors 1992 Govt.....
And then do so for several years thereafter too.2 -
I don't think so.Dialup said:
Damian Hinds is in trouble come the next election.Casino_Royale said:
Not exactly "big trouble" on Alton town council. That's like saying your navy is in trouble because your paper boat has taken water on Frensham Pond.Dialup said:
The Tories are in big trouble in Guildford, Farnham, Haslemere, Winchester, AltonAndy_JS said:Godalming Binscombe & Charterhouse:
Paul Sidney RIVERS Liberal Democrats 1377 21.1% Elected
Stephen Edward Dalton WILLIAMS Green Party Candidate 1280 19.6% Elected
Nick PALMER Labour Party 1061 16.3% Elected
......................................................................................................................................................
Steve COSSER The Conservative Party Candidate 984 15.1% Not elected
Ed HOLLIDAY The Conservative Party Candidate 954 14.6% Not elected
Daniel Ali HUSSEINI The Conservative Party Candidate 860 13.2% Not elected
https://modgov.waverley.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?XXR=0&ID=432&RPID=17859260
The Lib Dems have won most of Petersfield and Alton, as they have in the past before, whilst the Tories have held onto my ward and all the rural parishes; the Whitehill & Bordon Independents have sweeped those towns, and all of that combined has flipped East Hants to NOC.2 -
I am not totally against the Conservative party and voted for them in the past, but I've observed some of their Councillors do some really unbelievable things over the years.Nigelb said:.
Blimey.Casino_Royale said:
"FIRSTNAME,Roger said:
Are we allowed to know the contents?TheScreamingEagles said:Greg Hands has sent such a tone deaf email that has annoyed me and others.
I know the results are disappointing. I know people are worried about what Labour councils will mean for their local communities.
But I want to be totally honest with you, FIRSTNAME.
These local elections are a massive wake-up call. If you want to stop Keir Starmer, then we have to come together now.
We don’t have any time to waste. So I’m urgently asking you to chip in whatever you can today.
For too many people, the local election results mean they’re faced with Labour councillors who want to raise tax and cut local services.
It’s disappointing in so many ways.
But that’s exactly why I don’t want to see the same thing happen at next year’s general election.
I don’t want to see Keir Starmer reopen Brexit.
I don’t want to see Angela Rayner enthusiastically give in to every union demand.
I don’t want to see David Lammy with the power to keep foreign criminals in the country.
FIRSTNAME, I don’t want the same people who tried to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister deciding what Britain’s future should look like.
If you don’t want to see that either, then I’m asking you to make an urgent donation today."
DONATE HERE button
What a tosser.
- campaigning against a food bank because it would compete with local shops.
- stopping the redevelopment of petrol stations in the middle of a city centre on the basis that they are essential community facilities.
- walking around Council offices in the immediate aftermath of Brexit, gloating at random council staff that the leave vote will prevent all foreigners from coming to the UK.
Where I live, for years the local Conservative party did nothing. They have literally no clue at all about what they would do if they took control of the Council despite being the main opposition. About 8 years ago they came up published an economic strategy which was about stopping all the money spent on 'the arts' and spending it instead on an economic strategy involving repairing the roads - something that they can't even do, as it is a County matter.
I've generally had the view that Conservatives don't actually want to win local elections, they would prefer that labour run Council's take the blame for effects of central government (ie Conservative) underfunding.
A good reason to vote for labour in the general election is that they may reform local government in general, the current situation is a mess.
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Redcar and Cleveland have given up, will finish on Tuesday before the third recount in a ward.0
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What a bastard, doing honest Deliveroo riders out of a job.Dialup said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1654502460013318144
The Prime Minister Rishi Sunak delivered takeaways to Conservative HQ on the morning after local elections1 -
Oooh. Starmer would love that for his leaflets: “we’re going FORCE the water companies to BEAT the EU average for water quality!” Or somesuch.TimS said:
LOL. Do we want water quality at around the EU average? Yes, we do.ping said:
It’s a perfect Lib Dem/Green issue/policy.TimS said:
In a lot of the South I think water pollution has been a real galvanising force. Ignored by the government but extremely salient. Only the Lib Dems and Greens have bothered to make anything of it.RochdalePioneers said:
Take a look at the councils which have gone NOC. On so many of them it is very clear that it won't be a Tory minority administration. They are out...Dialup said:NEW: Conservatives lose their majority on mid-Sussex to NOC. Lib Dems now the biggest group. Conservatives down 11. Lib Dems up 8.
Real discontent in True Blue world, has been brewing ever since Johnson arrived frankly.
It’s Clegg/tuition fees, all over again.
“Do you want to tax people, to the tune of hundred billion quid, in order to stop 0.1% of our sewage going into rivers/the sea?”
I don’t know the figures, but they can’t be far off.
If he can get it past Rachel Reeves, that kind of policy/spinning could be really electorally effective.
We’re back to the basic problem, though. It’s fking expensive to sort out.0 -
RIP Gillian.Andy_JS said:"A Derbyshire election contest was abandoned while counting was underway after one of the candidates died. Gillian Lemmon, aged 52, Conservative Party candidate in the Hilton ward on South Derbyshire District Council, died today (May 5) at around 12.45pm after sudden health difficulties.
As a result, Ardip Sandhu, the council’s returning officer, made a decision to abandon the count entirely and to instead organise a full by-election for the three-councillor ward at a later date. If Ms Lemmon had died after the result was declared there would only have been a by-election for her seat, not all three"
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/dedicated-conservative-candidate-dies-counting-84185530 -
Conservatives lose control of East Hampshire Council
Find out the latest analysis and results
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/16545829904318300170 -
You beat me to it.Daveyboy1961 said:
I think it requires both, surely.Andy_JS said:
Do you genuinely believe that taxation is the solution to most problems rather than wealth creation?pigeon said:
The Conservative Party exists for the purposes of funnelling what's left of the nation's wealth upwards and into the pockets of the already well-off.Casino_Royale said:
I don't think we'll be back for quite a long time.londonpubman said:
AgreedHYUFD said:
Exactly the Tories are heading for defeat as much as Labour was inMalmesbury said:
There won’t be a challenge until polling shows another Conservative MP getting noticeably more votes as potential leader than Sunak.Razedabode said:
They can have a leadership challenge. But not sure what that achieves - it’ll just ramp up pressure to call a general electionTheScreamingEagles said:The Tories and Sunak are in stepmom territory.
I was the expecting the former but not the latter.
Last week the Tories set expectations management at 1,000 seats lost which meant they were expecting 600-700 losses.
I expect a leadership challenge this year now.
There is no such person, at the moment.
2010 or the Tories were in 1997 (if fractionally less). Changing the leader and PM AGAIN will make sod all difference, indeed if anything Rishi polls slightly better than his party.
Better to just face the music and then rebuild under a new leader in Opposition
I don't want LAB to win and won't be voting for them but we could do worse than ending up with say 260 seats, rebuild and rediscover our focus and direction, and hopefully come back at the following GE.
I'm not convinced we worked out what we were really for last time, and we had 13 years of Labour to do it too.
There are still a lot of well-off people about - thus, the Conservative Party is a very long way from being a lost cause. Yes, the most likely outcome of the next election is that the Tories will end up in Opposition, but they'll be able to entertain realistic ambitions of a return to Government at the first attempt.
Labour is terrified of taxing the assets of the wealthy, and without the extra money it can't do anything useful to help the poor, and risks being written off as pointless and useless by everyone.
Taxation is a large part of the solution, but it has to be the right kind of taxation. You tax earned incomes less, tax property a lot more, and presto - more money to chuck at the old and the sick, and more disposable cash left over from wages swilling round the economy to plough back into investment and consumption. Notably, if you don't have houses as a one-way bet, a golden ticket to the promised land that almost constantly balloons in value, then it might encourage more people to invest in something else that actually makes a more meaningful contribution to the economy than a pile of inert bricks.
The total current market value of the UK's residential property is approximately three times that of the total market capitalisation of all businesses whose shares are traded on the London Stock Exchange. The equivalent multiple for the United States is one. Tax the absolute crap out of housing, using the money to build more houses, correct the ratio. Housing costs come down, residential property returns to being a utility rather than a gold mine, labour mobility and household formation are both enabled, and liquidity is released for productive activity.
It won't happen because too many voters have too much to lose, but you can presumably see the logic? A lot of our problems can be solved not only by taxing more, but taxing differently. You then invest any surplus that hasn't been spent on providing a minimum income floor for poor people (which will largely pay for itself in the long run by improving health outcomes) in infrastructure, education and tax incentives for private sector investment. What's not to like?1 -
Also easier to hide it being a small amount -- "a thousand miles of sewers every year" sounds a lot better than "0.5% a year" and makes it less obvious that the job would take a couple of centuries to complete :-)ping said:A smart policy, perhaps for Starmer, would be “we’re going to force the water companies to replace x% of the sewage pipes, every single year until the problem is solved, without putting your water bills up by even a penny.”
Maybe replace x% with Xthousand miles, for greater impact.
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... and in Scotland and the Isle of Man: https://ptes.org/get-informed/facts-figures/red-necked-wallaby/Jim_Miller said:There are wild wallabies in France, not far from Paris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_kangaroo
Obviously, the ones on the Isle of Man have no tails.1 -
Not much. Just carry on governing in a reasonably sane way as they have been since Rishi took over. Inflation should come down through the year so that helps and maybe they can do a few limited tax cuts in Budget 24. But really the die is cast. 13 years (14 as it will be next year) is a long time for one party to be in office.Andy_JS said:What can the Tories do to win back support they've lost?
Time for a change is hard to beat.1 -
We have them too at Whipsnade Zoo in Bedfordshire (they roam freely, not enclosed).Jim_Miller said:There are wild wallabies in France, not far from Paris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_kangaroo
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With apologies to both Sir Henry Newbolt and Casino RoyaleCasino_Royale said:
Loyalty and duty really matter to me as values.Benpointer said:
Why do you feel you have a duty to them? Genuine question.Casino_Royale said:These results are truly terrible for the Conservatives, no question.
I only really voted for them out of duty. They do nothing for me.
The counting room floor is sodding blue -
Blue with the curses of local Tories that broke
The cabinet's hopeless, the PM is hapless
The Party's gone mad with Brexit and Woke
The puddle of pilf is brimming its banks
Scandal is near and honour long gone
But the voice of an activist-donor rallies the ranks
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Do they have three legs?bondegezou said:
... and in Scotland and the Isle of Man: https://ptes.org/get-informed/facts-figures/red-necked-wallaby/Jim_Miller said:There are wild wallabies in France, not far from Paris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_kangaroo
Obviously, the ones on the Isle of Man have no tails.1 -
I don't want to worry anyone about tomorrow, but - the King has 3 LibDem councillors (Windsor Castle), the Archbishop of Canterbury has 1 LibDem and 1 Labour (Canterbury Cathedral) and the Earl Marshal has 3 Green councillors (Arundel Castle).
The Coronation is going to be a travesty of wokeness! Don't say I didn't warn you...1 -
Ideologically, i cant see why a national monopoly for life’s most essential service was ever privatised. But nationalising it now seems like a waste of taxpayers money.ping said:
Oooh. Starmer would love that for his leaflets: “we’re going FORCE the water companies to BEAT the EU average for water quality!” Or somesuch.TimS said:
LOL. Do we want water quality at around the EU average? Yes, we do.ping said:
It’s a perfect Lib Dem/Green issue/policy.TimS said:
In a lot of the South I think water pollution has been a real galvanising force. Ignored by the government but extremely salient. Only the Lib Dems and Greens have bothered to make anything of it.RochdalePioneers said:
Take a look at the councils which have gone NOC. On so many of them it is very clear that it won't be a Tory minority administration. They are out...Dialup said:NEW: Conservatives lose their majority on mid-Sussex to NOC. Lib Dems now the biggest group. Conservatives down 11. Lib Dems up 8.
Real discontent in True Blue world, has been brewing ever since Johnson arrived frankly.
It’s Clegg/tuition fees, all over again.
“Do you want to tax people, to the tune of hundred billion quid, in order to stop 0.1% of our sewage going into rivers/the sea?”
I don’t know the figures, but they can’t be far off.
If he can get it past Rachel Reeves, that kind of policy/spinning could be really electorally effective.
We’re back to the basic problem, though. It’s fking expensive to sort out.
And I buy the argument that if it were nationalised, replacing sewers would be at the very bottom of the list of government spending priorities.
So probably best to keep water private and use every mechanism possible to beat the companies/shareholders/CEO’s mercilessly until they cut the dividends and fix the problem and their share price is battered down to next to nothing.
And then nationalise them.
Who gives a shit about a pile of Canadian pensioners, who have invested in piping away our shit, anyway?2 -
Selection bias.geoffw said:A basket of stocks selected by ChatGPT, a chatbot powered by artificial intelligence (AI), has far outperformed some of the most popular investment funds in the United Kingdom.
Between March 6 and April 28, a dummy portfolio of 38 stocks gained 4.9% while 10 leading investment funds clocked an average loss of 0.8%, according to an experiment conducted by financial comparison site finder.com.
It wouldn’t “be long until large numbers of consumers try to use [ChatGPT] for financial gain,” Jon Ostler, Finder’s CEO, said in a statement earlier this week.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/investing/chatgpt-outperforms-investment-funds/index.html
All the studies showing shitty perfomance for baskets of stocks picked by ChatGPT have been discarded.
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Duty to Chas and the Hag I can understand, but duty to a political party??Casino_Royale said:
Loyalty and duty really matter to me as values.Benpointer said:
Why do you feel you have a duty to them? Genuine question.Casino_Royale said:These results are truly terrible for the Conservatives, no question.
I only really voted for them out of duty. They do nothing for me.0 -
Well I was wrong (again) about things getting a little better for the Tories as we got into the shires. If anything it got slightly worse. Overall it’s a hammering in a whole range of seats.
But what can they do after the last 3 years?0 -
and three legs?bondegezou said:
... and in Scotland and the Isle of Man: https://ptes.org/get-informed/facts-figures/red-necked-wallaby/Jim_Miller said:There are wild wallabies in France, not far from Paris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_kangaroo
Obviously, the ones on the Isle of Man have no tails.
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Nick Palmer for the House of Keys! THE Man for Man!geoffw said:
and three legs?bondegezou said:
... and in Scotland and the Isle of Man: https://ptes.org/get-informed/facts-figures/red-necked-wallaby/Jim_Miller said:There are wild wallabies in France, not far from Paris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_kangaroo
Obviously, the ones on the Isle of Man have no tails.0 -
Regardless of this train crash, the Tories would be stark staring raving mad to replace Sunak with a well known perjurer and failure like Boris Jo...oh, fuck, it's happening isn't it?5
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Not just that.ydoethur said:Regardless of this train crash, the Tories would be stark staring raving mad to replace Sunak with a well known perjurer and failure like Boris Jo...oh, fuck, it's happening isn't it?
It'll be no more Mr Nice Guy this time.2 -
Where their takeaways their desk possessions in a box?Dialup said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1654502460013318144
The Prime Minister Rishi Sunak delivered takeaways to Conservative HQ on the morning after local elections0 -
Call an election and get out of the way?DavidL said:Well I was wrong (again) about things getting a little better for the Tories as we got into the shires. If anything it got slightly worse. Overall it’s a hammering in a whole range of seats.
But what can they do after the last 3 years?0 -
Well, having just returned from an extended drinking session, I've caught up with the news and have a view.
As a Labour supporter, at this time last night I thought that Labour would underachieve (I'm used to it), and that the Tories would not suffer the losses they have. And I didn't expect the Lib Dems and Greens to make as much progress. I was utterly wrong.
If there were a GE next week, the Tories would be slaughtered. Enough Lib Dems and Greens would help Labour out in Con/Lab marginals, and enough of us Labourites would help the Lib Dems out in Con/Lib Dem marginals, to rout the Tories. A healthy Labour majority would ensue. But of course, there won't be a GE next week, and lots could still happen.
But as of now it's been a fantastic day for the anti-Tory forces, and those looking for some sunlight in the Tory results are struggling.
It's been great fun, hasn't it?8 -
"He's mad. He's mad! He's madder than Mad Jack McMad, the winner of this year's Mister Madman competition!"ydoethur said:Regardless of this train crash, the Tories would be stark staring raving mad to replace Sunak with a well known perjurer and failure like Boris Jo...oh, fuck, it's happening isn't it?
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You do realise that LD gains from the Tories don't help SKS get a majority, right?SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Again, that is the massive, flashing danger sign for the Tories.Driver said:The most notable thing in recent hours, perhaps, has been Labour supporters celebrating "anti-Tory" voting not pro-Labour voting.
Under Corbyn, Labour activists and some Labour voters were as keen if not more keen to smash the Tory-enabling yellow scum.
Under Starmer, they are delighted to see a pincer movement so long as they are (and they certainly are) the big pincer in the north and midlands, while Lib Dems and Greens are the little pincer, holding down the Tories in areas which aren't realistically going Labour anyway, and preventing them pivoting firmly to voters in the red wall.
You're heading for a big tactical vote-fest when the General Election dawns, mark my words.0 -
I have opened my Coronation bottle early. Lots to celebrate.Northern_Al said:Well, having just returned from an extended drinking session, I've caught up with the news and have a view.
As a Labour supporter, at this time last night I thought that Labour would underachieve (I'm used to it), and that the Tories would not suffer the losses they have. And I didn't expect the Lib Dems and Greens to make as much progress. I was utterly wrong.
If there were a GE next week, the Tories would be slaughtered. Enough Lib Dems and Greens would help Labour out in Con/Lab marginals, and enough of us Labourites would help the Lib Dems out in Con/Lib Dem marginals, to rout the Tories. A healthy Labour majority would ensue. But of course, there won't be a GE next week, and lots could still happen.
But as of now it's been a fantastic day for the anti-Tory forces, and those looking for some sunlight in the Tory results are struggling.
It's been great fun, hasn't it?1 -
Here's another Labour supporter cheering "anti-Tory" not Labour successes.Northern_Al said:Well, having just returned from an extended drinking session, I've caught up with the news and have a view.
As a Labour supporter, at this time last night I thought that Labour would underachieve (I'm used to it), and that the Tories would not suffer the losses they have. And I didn't expect the Lib Dems and Greens to make as much progress. I was utterly wrong.
If there were a GE next week, the Tories would be slaughtered. Enough Lib Dems and Greens would help Labour out in Con/Lab marginals, and enough of us Labourites would help the Lib Dems out in Con/Lib Dem marginals, to rout the Tories. A healthy Labour majority would ensue. But of course, there won't be a GE next week, and lots could still happen.
But as of now it's been a fantastic day for the anti-Tory forces, and those looking for some sunlight in the Tory results are struggling.
It's been great fun, hasn't it?0 -
My inclination is also to be sceptical about these claims, not least because any advantage ChatGPT has at the moment will be eroded as people use it, and the unpredictable random walk will reassert itself. For the time being it is exploiting imperfectly distributed knowledge. But here's a separate, reinforcing study:rcs1000 said:
Selection bias.geoffw said:A basket of stocks selected by ChatGPT, a chatbot powered by artificial intelligence (AI), has far outperformed some of the most popular investment funds in the United Kingdom.
Between March 6 and April 28, a dummy portfolio of 38 stocks gained 4.9% while 10 leading investment funds clocked an average loss of 0.8%, according to an experiment conducted by financial comparison site finder.com.
It wouldn’t “be long until large numbers of consumers try to use [ChatGPT] for financial gain,” Jon Ostler, Finder’s CEO, said in a statement earlier this week.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/investing/chatgpt-outperforms-investment-funds/index.html
All the studies showing shitty perfomance for baskets of stocks picked by ChatGPT have been discarded.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4412788
Abstract
We examine the potential of ChatGPT, and other large language models, in predicting stock market returns using sentiment analysis of news headlines. We use ChatGPT to indicate whether a given headline is good, bad, or irrelevant news for firms' stock prices. We then compute a numerical score and document a positive correlation between these "ChatGPT scores" and subsequent daily stock market returns. Further, ChatGPT outperforms traditional sentiment analysis methods. We find that more basic models such as GPT-1, GPT-2, and BERT cannot accurately forecast returns, indicating return predictability is an emerging capacity of complex models. Our results suggest that incorporating advanced language models into the investment decision-making process can yield more accurate predictions and enhance the performance of quantitative trading strategies.
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The Labour tally of rising from 2,100 to some 2,650 councillors is good, but not as impressive as the LibDems rising from 1,200 to 1,600, which in turn is eclipsed by the Greens’ rising from 250 to nearly 500.1
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Indeed. The third leg, however, points backwards and is often mistaken for a tail.ydoethur said:
Do they have three legs?bondegezou said:
... and in Scotland and the Isle of Man: https://ptes.org/get-informed/facts-figures/red-necked-wallaby/Jim_Miller said:There are wild wallabies in France, not far from Paris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_kangaroo
Obviously, the ones on the Isle of Man have no tails.1 -
Matt Goodwin hesitantly sits on the fence on the subject of whether the Tories are diabolically or merely catastrophically bad. He doesn't outline how anyone might have done different in any sort of detail. Worth reading for a line on what thoughtful Tory friends are feeling.
Conclusion: being a politics prof is easier than having to run a country.
https://mattgoodwin.substack.com/p/the-party-that-never-made-a-choice?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email1 -
Matthew Goodwin is the worst kind of "academic".algarkirk said:Matt Goodwin hesitantly sits on the fence on the subject of whether the Tories are diabolically or merely catastrophically bad. He doesn't outline how anyone might have done different in any sort of detail. Worth reading for a line on what thoughtful Tory friends are feeling.
Conclusion: being a politics prof is easier than having to run a country.
https://mattgoodwin.substack.com/p/the-party-that-never-made-a-choice?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
He has a clear agenda and POV but pretends he's impartial. And then ignores any data or evidence that contradicts what he thinks.3
