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Trump drops in the WH2024 betting – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,132
edited April 2023 in General
imageTrump drops in the WH2024 betting – politicalbetting.com

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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,388
    He might still have a chance at the GOP nomination but a conviction likely sees him lose Independents and re elects Biden
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,620
    It's either Trump or Disney-botherer DeSantis for the GOP nomination. Are there no sane, charismatic Republicans left?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,620
    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    It is an odd sort of question. From its phrasing you can rule out the two answers that mention presidents, but it might just be badly worded.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    edited April 2023
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    It is an odd sort of question. From its phrasing you can rule out the two answers that mention presidents, but it might just be badly worded.
    The wording was very clear - maybe my post wasn't.

    I should have said: Which of these happened first in a US presidential election?

    Peston fully understood it. He discounted other options as follows:

    Vice-President - Harris 2020
    TV debate - he thought 1950s (*)
    Women voting - approx 1920

    He wasn't sure if founding fathers had placed limit on number of terms. He thought probably not and that a President had probably been elected to 4 terms in the 19th Century.

    (*) He was wrong about this as well - answer is 1960 though see link:

    https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_First_Televised_Presidential_Debate.htm#:~:text=The typical answer to that,not appear in the debate.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,962
    The date of women voting is tricky, because states allowed that at different times. The 1776 New Jersey constitution allowed women to vote -- provided they had enough property. (The NYT article where I read that said something similar was true in Britain, at the time.) After a scandal a few decades later, New Jersey changed to manhood suffrage.

    The state of Wyoming was the first to grant women the right to vote generally. Which it did in 1869, and women first voted there in 1870. (I have suspected for many years that Wyoming was hoping more women would be attracted to settle there, but have seen no evidence, either way.)

    (Not so incidentally, the same New Jersey constitution allowed free blacks to vote, again assuming they had enough property, as at least a few apparently did.)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,306
    Jim_Miller said:

    The date of women voting is tricky, because states allowed that at different times. The 1776 New Jersey constitution allowed women to vote -- provided they had enough property. (The NYT article where I read that said something similar was true in Britain, at the time.) After a scandal a few decades later, New Jersey changed to manhood suffrage.

    The state of Wyoming was the first to grant women the right to vote generally. Which it did in 1869, and women first voted there in 1870. (I have suspected for many years that Wyoming was hoping more women would be attracted to settle there, but have seen no evidence, either way.)

    (Not so incidentally, the same New Jersey constitution allowed free blacks to vote, again assuming they had enough property, as at least a few apparently did.)

    Interesting. I thought all women were barred from voting in the UK until 1918.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,962
    Just for the record: George Washington set the precedent of a two-term limit, which was followed until FDR in 1940.

    (In 1944, many Democratic leaders knew that FDR would probably not survive a fourth term, and managed to substitute Harry Truman for Henry Wallace. Which was fortunate.)
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Andy_JS said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    The date of women voting is tricky, because states allowed that at different times. The 1776 New Jersey constitution allowed women to vote -- provided they had enough property. (The NYT article where I read that said something similar was true in Britain, at the time.) After a scandal a few decades later, New Jersey changed to manhood suffrage.

    The state of Wyoming was the first to grant women the right to vote generally. Which it did in 1869, and women first voted there in 1870. (I have suspected for many years that Wyoming was hoping more women would be attracted to settle there, but have seen no evidence, either way.)

    (Not so incidentally, the same New Jersey constitution allowed free blacks to vote, again assuming they had enough property, as at least a few apparently did.)

    Interesting. I thought all women were barred from voting in the UK until 1918.
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    It's either Trump or Disney-botherer DeSantis for the GOP nomination. Are there no sane, charismatic Republicans left?

    No, the last remaining few were purged during the Trump era.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,962
    Andy_JS - I might be wrong about that. Here's the NYT article where I first learned of these early women's votes: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/24/arts/first-women-voters-new-jersey.html
    And I didn't see any mention of Britain, in a quick scan through it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937
    Andy_JS said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    The date of women voting is tricky, because states allowed that at different times. The 1776 New Jersey constitution allowed women to vote -- provided they had enough property. (The NYT article where I read that said something similar was true in Britain, at the time.) After a scandal a few decades later, New Jersey changed to manhood suffrage.

    The state of Wyoming was the first to grant women the right to vote generally. Which it did in 1869, and women first voted there in 1870. (I have suspected for many years that Wyoming was hoping more women would be attracted to settle there, but have seen no evidence, either way.)

    (Not so incidentally, the same New Jersey constitution allowed free blacks to vote, again assuming they had enough property, as at least a few apparently did.)

    Interesting. I thought all women were barred from voting in the UK until 1918.
    Andy_JS said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    The date of women voting is tricky, because states allowed that at different times. The 1776 New Jersey constitution allowed women to vote -- provided they had enough property. (The NYT article where I read that said something similar was true in Britain, at the time.) After a scandal a few decades later, New Jersey changed to manhood suffrage.

    The state of Wyoming was the first to grant women the right to vote generally. Which it did in 1869, and women first voted there in 1870. (I have suspected for many years that Wyoming was hoping more women would be attracted to settle there, but have seen no evidence, either way.)

    (Not so incidentally, the same New Jersey constitution allowed free blacks to vote, again assuming they had enough property, as at least a few apparently did.)

    Interesting. I thought all women were barred from voting in the UK until 1918.
    Before the First Great Reform Act, the franchise was set at the constituency level. This meant that in some places women - where heads of household, mostly widows - had the vote.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 687
    Under the powers of the Wales Act 2017, which were previously used to rename the National Assembly as the Senedd - Welsh Parliament, the Welsh Government has announced that the First Minister shall henceforth be known as the Principal Minister. The position was originally titled First Secretary when the Assembly was first established, and this latest change represents the continuing development of the status of the institution. Government spokesperson Ebrill Gyntaf commented "many people already refer to Wales as a Principality, and this change now accurately reflects our status as a Country ruled by a Principal"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,797
    HYUFD said:

    He might still have a chance at the GOP nomination but a conviction likely sees him lose Independents and re elects Biden

    Hence the theory doing the rounds that the Dems have acted against Trump to make his ‘victimhood’ deliver him the nomination but not the presidency,
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,797
    edited April 2023
    CarlottaVance said:

    That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:

    Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool



    I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799703636369408?m

    (Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).

    Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,411
    Bad news for anyone with money on Sergio Perez.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,059
    I've laid Trump harder than Stormy Daniels.

    DeSantis is probably value now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,059
    Andy_JS said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    The date of women voting is tricky, because states allowed that at different times. The 1776 New Jersey constitution allowed women to vote -- provided they had enough property. (The NYT article where I read that said something similar was true in Britain, at the time.) After a scandal a few decades later, New Jersey changed to manhood suffrage.

    The state of Wyoming was the first to grant women the right to vote generally. Which it did in 1869, and women first voted there in 1870. (I have suspected for many years that Wyoming was hoping more women would be attracted to settle there, but have seen no evidence, either way.)

    (Not so incidentally, the same New Jersey constitution allowed free blacks to vote, again assuming they had enough property, as at least a few apparently did.)

    Interesting. I thought all women were barred from voting in the UK until 1918.
    Not the case. Some women could vote in the UK under the property franchise before the reforming acts of the 19th Century, that took that away and gave it specifically to men.

    True, such women were usually wealthy widows or inheritors. But they could vote nonetheless if they met the property qualification.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,059
    "Mistakenly"?

    The French need to honour the Treaty of Troyes.


  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,492
    IanB2 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:

    Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool



    I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799703636369408?m

    (Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).

    Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
    Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.

    More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?


  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,065
    It's like a game of rock paper scissors: Biden beats Trump, DeSantis beats Biden and Trump beats DeSantis.

    Given the ordering of the matchups, I expect the Democrats will play it safe with Biden.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,830


    "So.. I guess this is the deep end?"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,059
    Ratters said:

    It's like a game of rock paper scissors: Biden beats Trump, DeSantis beats Biden and Trump beats DeSantis.

    Given the ordering of the matchups, I expect the Democrats will play it safe with Biden.

    Backing Biden for the Nom seems to be one of the most obvious bets out there, even at current prices.

    I guess people are worried he dies, or loses his marbles, in the next 17 months.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,797
    BlancheLivermore said:



    "So.. I guess this is the deep end?"

    Some seriously heavy security for young Rishi, there?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,587


    "Hello Boris, it looks dark down there"

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,797
    Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,492
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:

    Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool



    I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799703636369408?m

    (Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).

    Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
    Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.

    More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?


    Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.



    From:

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799903398486020?t=08VKdWIrBN8rnfVPnbQDaQ&s=19

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    Penddu2 said:

    Under the powers of the Wales Act 2017, which were previously used to rename the National Assembly as the Senedd - Welsh Parliament, the Welsh Government has announced that the First Minister shall henceforth be known as the Principal Minister. The position was originally titled First Secretary when the Assembly was first established, and this latest change represents the continuing development of the status of the institution. Government spokesperson Ebrill Gyntaf commented "many people already refer to Wales as a Principality, and this change now accurately reflects our status as a Country ruled by a Principal"

    Very good.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    It is an odd sort of question. From its phrasing you can rule out the two answers that mention presidents, but it might just be badly worded.
    The way it’s worded you could actually say Peston was correct, because women were not granted the right to vote *in a presidential election* but due to a constitutional amendment that gave them general voting rights.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,797
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:

    Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool



    I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799703636369408?m

    (Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).

    Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
    Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.

    More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?


    Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.



    From:

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799903398486020?t=08VKdWIrBN8rnfVPnbQDaQ&s=19

    How do they adjust this data for the dramatically different age-mixes in different locations?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,711
    Meghan Mccain: “This is how societies die. When America breaks down into trifling tribal warfare it starts the downward spiral to collapse.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11925101/MEGHAN-MCCAIN-Im-scared-death-Trump-Witch-Hunt-end-America-burning-stake.html
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,715
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: brilliantly slept in, so the red flag period just ended as I got up. Be interesting to know if the lockup was a mechanical or driver error. If the former, coupled with Verstappen's difficulties in Q3, may be a little worrying for Red Bull.

    Russell's giving Hamilton a lesson in qualifying this season.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,581
    DougSeal said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
    Yes, it would be unreasonable without more data. Some would say Peston has already provided that in abundance.

    FWIW I'd don't think him greatly better or worse than many 'name' journalists. He just seems to wind some people up.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897
    ...
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 690
    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    The ignorance of many of the BBC'S specialist correspondents never ceases to amaze me. On an edition of the quiz show Pointless, the BBC'S Arts Editor was asked who composed La Traviata? The clue was that it began with V. He said Vivaldi.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,581
    edited April 2023
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: brilliantly slept in, so the red flag period just ended as I got up. Be interesting to know if the lockup was a mechanical or driver error. If the former, coupled with Verstappen's difficulties in Q3, may be a little worrying for Red Bull.

    Russell's giving Hamilton a lesson in qualifying this season.

    I think Hamilton would have taken pole, but got baulked by the Hulk on his attempt. His final time was compromised.

    The start could be *interesting*.

    Verstappen seems to have gearbox problems. Not very serious though - his fast lap was also 'out of the window' - he ought to run away with the race.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    Nigelb said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: brilliantly slept in, so the red flag period just ended as I got up. Be interesting to know if the lockup was a mechanical or driver error. If the former, coupled with Verstappen's difficulties in Q3, may be a little worrying for Red Bull.

    Russell's giving Hamilton a lesson in qualifying this season.

    I think Hamilton would have taken pole, but got baulked by the Hulk on his attempt. His final time was compromised.

    The start could be *interesting*.

    Verstappen seems to have gearbox problems.
    I wondered what all that hysterical cackling from the general direction of TSE's place was about.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,581
    .
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: brilliantly slept in, so the red flag period just ended as I got up. Be interesting to know if the lockup was a mechanical or driver error. If the former, coupled with Verstappen's difficulties in Q3, may be a little worrying for Red Bull.

    Russell's giving Hamilton a lesson in qualifying this season.

    I think Hamilton would have taken pole, but got baulked by the Hulk on his attempt. His final time was compromised.

    The start could be *interesting*.

    Verstappen seems to have gearbox problems.
    I wondered what all that hysterical cackling from the general direction of TSE's place was about.
    I gather he has a model Red Bull for sticking pins in.
    Unfortunately it was of Perez's car.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,715
    Mr. B, yeah, I've written the first half of the pre-race tosh (will wait until late morning/early afternoon to complete it) and made a similar note on the start.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,102
    Penddu2 said:

    Under the powers of the Wales Act 2017, which were previously used to rename the National Assembly as the Senedd - Welsh Parliament, the Welsh Government has announced that the First Minister shall henceforth be known as the Principal Minister. The position was originally titled First Secretary when the Assembly was first established, and this latest change represents the continuing development of the status of the institution. Government spokesperson Ebrill Gyntaf commented "many people already refer to Wales as a Principality, and this change now accurately reflects our status as a Country ruled by a Principal"

    First ministers, whatever they are called, don’t *rule* countries

    Muppet
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,102
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    He might still have a chance at the GOP nomination but a conviction likely sees him lose Independents and re elects Biden

    Hence the theory doing the rounds that the Dems have acted against Trump to make his ‘victimhood’ deliver him the nomination but not the presidency,
    TBF I posted that as a joke!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,253
    SandraMc said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    The ignorance of many of the BBC'S specialist correspondents never ceases to amaze me. On an edition of the quiz show Pointless, the BBC'S Arts Editor was asked who composed La Traviata? The clue was that it began with V. He said Vivaldi.
    TBF, as I understand it, many of these shoes ask the contestants to always give an answer: in other words, 'pass' or 'I don't know' are not acceptable answers, and you are not given a lot of time to think. Therefore you are far more likely to give answers that seem stupid when you'd prefer to say you didn't know.

    As for the original question: I've little idea what the answer is, and would probably guess wrong. What is it?

    (My guess would be 'Women granted right to vote'; but that's through vague guesswork and several minutes thought. In fact, I'd give this order, from first to last:
    Women granted right to vote
    A President elected to a 4th term
    First TV debate
    A woman elected Vice-President
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,102
    DougSeal said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
    Knowing FDR was the only 4 term president is pretty basic though?

    I think @MikeL is harsh on the 1950s/1960 TV error

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    edited April 2023
    It has been announced that Boris Johnson has had a lucid moment.

    He was apparently snoozing away at one minute past midnight when he woke suddenly and shouted 'it was all a fucking pack of lies!' Later, he admitted he was talking about his claims he followed the rules at all times.

    Doctors have said that this is a positive step forward and May in time lead to a cure for his many personality disorders, but have struck a note of caution. 'He's realised he's a lying little scumbag, but he still thinks he's quite bright,' said one. 'We'll have to work on that one a bit more.'

    Dominic Cummings was contacted for comment and also had a lucid moment, saying, 'it was obvious he was a liar when he said I was an incredibly brilliant human being and the best person to help him run the country.'

    As we prepared surgery for those whose jaws had broken when they hit the floor, he then spoiled the effect by adding 'after all, the idea that the shopping trolley was any help at all was bullshit.'
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,253
    Nigelb said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: brilliantly slept in, so the red flag period just ended as I got up. Be interesting to know if the lockup was a mechanical or driver error. If the former, coupled with Verstappen's difficulties in Q3, may be a little worrying for Red Bull.

    Russell's giving Hamilton a lesson in qualifying this season.

    I think Hamilton would have taken pole, but got baulked by the Hulk on his attempt. His final time was compromised.

    The start could be *interesting*.

    Verstappen seems to have gearbox problems. Not very serious though - his fast lap was also 'out of the window' - he ought to run away with the race.
    I'm not following F1 much this year, but how did Albon get eighth?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    StillWaters said:

    DougSeal said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
    Knowing FDR was the only 4 term president is pretty basic though?

    I think @MikeL is harsh on the 1950s/1960 TV error

    Let’s put it this way. I’m a solicitor, I think I’m a reasonably good one, but if someone asked me what the difference between a “common tenancy” and a “tenancy in common” was (basic law school stuff) I’d have to go and double check because I don’t deal with it every day. Or at all. However, in a quiz, I wouldn’t be allowed to do that. I don’t think I should lose my job over it.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,715
    Mr. Jessop, the Williams, a bit like last year, is tasty in a straight line so he was going purple in the middle sector pretty often. Good driving too, must be said.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,135
    edited April 2023
    StillWaters said:

    DougSeal said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
    Knowing FDR was the only 4 term president is pretty basic though?

    I think @MikeL is harsh on the 1950s/1960 TV error

    He's a TV political journalist and the first televised Presidential debate is an iconic moment in political TV history, said to have swung the 1960 election between Kennedy and Nixon.

    Given the hoo-ha around televised debates in the UK it seems incredible that he's mislaid that fact.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,253
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Jessop, the Williams, a bit like last year, is tasty in a straight line so he was going purple in the middle sector pretty often. Good driving too, must be said.

    Years ago, I would arrange my weekends so I could watch F1. Last year, I think I only watched one race (the live British GP). This year, I've yet to watch one lap, either on YouTube or Channel 4 highlights.

    It's been a slow process, but F1 has lost me as a fan. I still read articles about it occasionally, but my passion for it has gone. That feels a little sad after more than forty years of following it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,581
    JosiasJessop said:

    Nigelb said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: brilliantly slept in, so the red flag period just ended as I got up. Be interesting to know if the lockup was a mechanical or driver error. If the former, coupled with Verstappen's difficulties in Q3, may be a little worrying for Red Bull.

    Russell's giving Hamilton a lesson in qualifying this season.

    I think Hamilton would have taken pole, but got baulked by the Hulk on his attempt. His final time was compromised.

    The start could be *interesting*.

    Verstappen seems to have gearbox problems. Not very serious though - his fast lap was also 'out of the window' - he ought to run away with the race.
    I'm not following F1 much this year, but how did Albon get eighth?
    Australia has always been an oddity in terms YFF results.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,135
    LostPassword said:

    StillWaters said:

    DougSeal said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
    Knowing FDR was the only 4 term president is pretty basic though?

    I think @MikeL is harsh on the 1950s/1960 TV error

    He's a TV political journalist and the first televised Presidential debate is an iconic moment in political TV history, said to have swung the 1960 election between Kennedy and Nixon.

    Given the hoo-ha around televised debates in the UK it seems incredible that he's mislaid that fact.
    It would be like a British psephologist being ignorant of the famous Literary Digest presidential poll of 1936.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,175
    JosiasJessop said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Jessop, the Williams, a bit like last year, is tasty in a straight line so he was going purple in the middle sector pretty often. Good driving too, must be said.

    Years ago, I would arrange my weekends so I could watch F1. Last year, I think I only watched one race (the live British GP). This year, I've yet to watch one lap, either on YouTube or Channel 4 highlights.

    It's been a slow process, but F1 has lost me as a fan. I still read articles about it occasionally, but my passion for it has gone. That feels a little sad after more than forty years of following it.
    It's going to be very boring this year unless Red Bull helpfully develop reliability issues.
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 452
    JosiasJessop said:

    SandraMc said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    The ignorance of many of the BBC'S specialist correspondents never ceases to amaze me. On an edition of the quiz show Pointless, the BBC'S Arts Editor was asked who composed La Traviata? The clue was that it began with V. He said Vivaldi.
    TBF, as I understand it, many of these shoes ask the contestants to always give an answer: in other words, 'pass' or 'I don't know' are not acceptable answers, and you are not given a lot of time to think. Therefore you are far more likely to give answers that seem stupid when you'd prefer to say you didn't know.

    As for the original question: I've little idea what the answer is, and would probably guess wrong. What is it?

    (My guess would be 'Women granted right to vote'; but that's through vague guesswork and several minutes thought. In fact, I'd give this order, from first to last:
    Women granted right to vote
    A President elected to a 4th term
    First TV debate
    A woman elected Vice-President
    Yes, that is the correct order.

    Women got the right to vote in 1920, although some states allowed it earlier than that.

    Franklin D Roosevelt was elected to a fourth term in 1944.

    The first TV debate was in 1960.

    The first woman elected Vice-President was Kamala Harris in 2020.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595
    O/T Is everyone still confident inflation will soon be down to 2 or 3%?

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/apr/01/we-wont-be-here-for-long-uk-firms-fear-the-worst-as-energy-bill-support-ends
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595
    JosiasJessop said:

    SandraMc said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    The ignorance of many of the BBC'S specialist correspondents never ceases to amaze me. On an edition of the quiz show Pointless, the BBC'S Arts Editor was asked who composed La Traviata? The clue was that it began with V. He said Vivaldi.
    TBF, as I understand it, many of these shoes ask the contestants to always give an answer: in other words, 'pass' or 'I don't know' are not acceptable answers, and you are not given a lot of time to think. Therefore you are far more likely to give answers that seem stupid when you'd prefer to say you didn't know.

    As for the original question: I've little idea what the answer is, and would probably guess wrong. What is it?

    (My guess would be 'Women granted right to vote'; but that's through vague guesswork and several minutes thought. In fact, I'd give this order, from first to last:
    Women granted right to vote
    A President elected to a 4th term
    First TV debate
    A woman elected Vice-President
    Shoes that ask questions? Quick, someone tell TSE!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,835
    IanB2 said:

    Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.

    Humza must explain
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,587
    The country feels like it’s falling apart.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595
    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Indeed it does.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/apr/01/we-wont-be-here-for-long-uk-firms-fear-the-worst-as-energy-bill-support-ends

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/01/planning-applications-in-england-fall-to-record-low-in-housing-blow

    Council tax, water and mobile bills rise for millions https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65123881
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Poor old Blackpool - always the low bar.

    It still has some magic about it to me. Very happy memories from my childhood and with my own kids too. There’s nowhere quite like it.

    It is skewed a bit too, because it’s got longstanding issues characteristic of seaside towns, and it’s also quite small in number terms. Unlike E.g. Southend, the posh bits of Blackpool aren’t counted as Blackpool either. It’s like using Harpurhey as a proxy of Manchester as a whole.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,251
    Benpointer said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    SandraMc said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    The ignorance of many of the BBC'S specialist correspondents never ceases to amaze me. On an edition of the quiz show Pointless, the BBC'S Arts Editor was asked who composed La Traviata? The clue was that it began with V. He said Vivaldi.
    TBF, as I understand it, many of these shoes ask the contestants to always give an answer: in other words, 'pass' or 'I don't know' are not acceptable answers, and you are not given a lot of time to think. Therefore you are far more likely to give answers that seem stupid when you'd prefer to say you didn't know.

    As for the original question: I've little idea what the answer is, and would probably guess wrong. What is it?

    (My guess would be 'Women granted right to vote'; but that's through vague guesswork and several minutes thought. In fact, I'd give this order, from first to last:
    Women granted right to vote
    A President elected to a 4th term
    First TV debate
    A woman elected Vice-President
    Shoes that ask questions? Quick, someone tell TSE!
    He likes a questionable shoe.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,375
    LostPassword said:

    StillWaters said:

    DougSeal said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
    Knowing FDR was the only 4 term president is pretty basic though?

    I think @MikeL is harsh on the 1950s/1960 TV error

    He's a TV political journalist and the first televised Presidential debate is an iconic moment in political TV history, said to have swung the 1960 election between Kennedy and Nixon.

    Given the hoo-ha around televised debates in the UK it seems incredible that he's mislaid that fact.
    Nixon sweated under the TV lights. JFK didn't. It made Nixon look shifty.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,735
    MarqueeMark said:

    LostPassword said:

    StillWaters said:

    DougSeal said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
    Knowing FDR was the only 4 term president is pretty basic though?

    I think @MikeL is harsh on the 1950s/1960 TV error

    He's a TV political journalist and the first televised Presidential debate is an iconic moment in political TV history, said to have swung the 1960 election between Kennedy and Nixon.

    Given the hoo-ha around televised debates in the UK it seems incredible that he's mislaid that fact.
    Nixon sweated under the TV lights. JFK didn't. It made Nixon look shifty.
    Apparently those who only heard the debate on the radio gave it to Nixon.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267
    edited April 2023
    Casino_Royale said:

    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Not really mate
    So just the right amount of woke going on around this sceptred isle.

    Amen to that!
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,671
    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Bullshit
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,715
    Mr. Burgessian, heard that before, and it's interesting to also note that blind people are better at spotting deceit than deaf people (ie the voice carries it more than the face, potentially because people are better at or more aware of controlling their facial expression).
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,765
    MarqueeMark said:

    LostPassword said:

    StillWaters said:

    DougSeal said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
    Knowing FDR was the only 4 term president is pretty basic though?

    I think @MikeL is harsh on the 1950s/1960 TV error

    He's a TV political journalist and the first televised Presidential debate is an iconic moment in political TV history, said to have swung the 1960 election between Kennedy and Nixon.

    Given the hoo-ha around televised debates in the UK it seems incredible that he's mislaid that fact.
    Nixon sweated under the TV lights. JFK didn't. It made Nixon look shifty.
    To be fair, Nixon *was* shifty.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,344
    Ghedebrav said:

    Poor old Blackpool - always the low bar.

    It still has some magic about it to me. Very happy memories from my childhood and with my own kids too. There’s nowhere quite like it.

    It is skewed a bit too, because it’s got longstanding issues characteristic of seaside towns, and it’s also quite small in number terms. Unlike E.g. Southend, the posh bits of Blackpool aren’t counted as Blackpool either. It’s like using Harpurhey as a proxy of Manchester as a whole.

    I’ve got another long weekend in Blackpool in June.

    I’ve stayed in the same hotel suite as Bill Clinton and Margaret Thatcher.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,640
    edited April 2023
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:

    Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool



    I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799703636369408?m

    (Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).

    Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
    Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.

    More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?


    Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.



    From:

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799903398486020?t=08VKdWIrBN8rnfVPnbQDaQ&s=19

    That's a very sharp observation.

    There was that study in the ?BMJ on the health impact of austerity - much decried on here, I seem to recall.

    https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/uk-austerity-since-2010-linked-to-tens-of-thousands-more-deaths-than-expected/

    https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/10/e046417

    (and some output estimates that might interest @Pagan2 too).

    It's looking very likely from those graphs, I must say, and I see other researchers are coming up with similar conclusions: for instance

    https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/mortality-rates-among-men-and-women-impact-of-austerity/
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,835
    edited April 2023
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Poor old Blackpool - always the low bar.

    It still has some magic about it to me. Very happy memories from my childhood and with my own kids too. There’s nowhere quite like it.

    It is skewed a bit too, because it’s got longstanding issues characteristic of seaside towns, and it’s also quite small in number terms. Unlike E.g. Southend, the posh bits of Blackpool aren’t counted as Blackpool either. It’s like using Harpurhey as a proxy of Manchester as a whole.

    I’ve got another long weekend in Blackpool in June.

    I’ve stayed in the same hotel suite as Bill Clinton and Margaret Thatcher.
    A little known chapter in Clinton's (very thick) book of shagging.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Poor old Blackpool - always the low bar.

    It still has some magic about it to me. Very happy memories from my childhood and with my own kids too. There’s nowhere quite like it.

    It is skewed a bit too, because it’s got longstanding issues characteristic of seaside towns, and it’s also quite small in number terms. Unlike E.g. Southend, the posh bits of Blackpool aren’t counted as Blackpool either. It’s like using Harpurhey as a proxy of Manchester as a whole.

    I’ve got another long weekend in Blackpool in June.

    I’ve stayed in the same hotel suite as Bill Clinton and Margaret Thatcher.
    I never knew they were an item.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,640
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Poor old Blackpool - always the low bar.

    It still has some magic about it to me. Very happy memories from my childhood and with my own kids too. There’s nowhere quite like it.

    It is skewed a bit too, because it’s got longstanding issues characteristic of seaside towns, and it’s also quite small in number terms. Unlike E.g. Southend, the posh bits of Blackpool aren’t counted as Blackpool either. It’s like using Harpurhey as a proxy of Manchester as a whole.

    I’ve got another long weekend in Blackpool in June.

    I’ve stayed in the same hotel suite as Bill Clinton and Margaret Thatcher.
    A little known chapter in Clinton's (very thick) book of shagging.
    A shag carpet in the suite, one hopes.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,180
    https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/painting-of-trump-crucified/

    Has anyone seen the photo of Trump as Christ on the Cross, with Nancy Pelosi driving a spear into his side, and Melania kneeling at his feet?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,344
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Poor old Blackpool - always the low bar.

    It still has some magic about it to me. Very happy memories from my childhood and with my own kids too. There’s nowhere quite like it.

    It is skewed a bit too, because it’s got longstanding issues characteristic of seaside towns, and it’s also quite small in number terms. Unlike E.g. Southend, the posh bits of Blackpool aren’t counted as Blackpool either. It’s like using Harpurhey as a proxy of Manchester as a whole.

    I’ve got another long weekend in Blackpool in June.

    I’ve stayed in the same hotel suite as Bill Clinton and Margaret Thatcher.
    A little known chapter in Clinton's (very thick) book of shagging.
    In the room there’s a big portrait of Bill Clinton, thank Allah they didn’t put it in the bedroom.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,640
    Sean_F said:

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/painting-of-trump-crucified/

    Has anyone seen the photo of Trump as Christ on the Cross, with Nancy Pelosi driving a spear into his side, and Melania kneeling at his feet?

    I thought it was regarded as blasphemy and a criminal offence to wear Old Glory stars'n'bars Y-fronts in the States.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,727
    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.

    In the last couple of months we have had about a dozen power cuts. Unlike the 70s, power cuts have become pretty well unknown, but they are now back.

    There is a lot of building locally and I hope it is down to that but it does feel like things are falling apart.
  • occasionalranteroccasionalranter Posts: 287
    DougSeal said:

    StillWaters said:

    DougSeal said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
    Knowing FDR was the only 4 term president is pretty basic though?

    I think @MikeL is harsh on the 1950s/1960 TV error

    Let’s put it this way. I’m a solicitor, I think I’m a reasonably good one, but if someone asked me what the difference between a “common tenancy” and a “tenancy in common” was (basic law school stuff) I’d have to go and double check because I don’t deal with it every day. Or at all. However, in a quiz, I wouldn’t be allowed to do that. I don’t think I should lose my job over it.
    I think you mean the difference between a “JOINT tenancy” and a “tenancy in common ? Like you say, basic law school stuff !
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,835
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Poor old Blackpool - always the low bar.

    It still has some magic about it to me. Very happy memories from my childhood and with my own kids too. There’s nowhere quite like it.

    It is skewed a bit too, because it’s got longstanding issues characteristic of seaside towns, and it’s also quite small in number terms. Unlike E.g. Southend, the posh bits of Blackpool aren’t counted as Blackpool either. It’s like using Harpurhey as a proxy of Manchester as a whole.

    I’ve got another long weekend in Blackpool in June.

    I’ve stayed in the same hotel suite as Bill Clinton and Margaret Thatcher.
    A little known chapter in Clinton's (very thick) book of shagging.
    Thatcher's less well known 'Yes, Yes' speech.
    'I'm enjoying this!'
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,153
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Poor old Blackpool - always the low bar.

    It still has some magic about it to me. Very happy memories from my childhood and with my own kids too. There’s nowhere quite like it.

    It is skewed a bit too, because it’s got longstanding issues characteristic of seaside towns, and it’s also quite small in number terms. Unlike E.g. Southend, the posh bits of Blackpool aren’t counted as Blackpool either. It’s like using Harpurhey as a proxy of Manchester as a whole.

    I’ve got another long weekend in Blackpool in June.

    I’ve stayed in the same hotel suite as Bill Clinton and Margaret Thatcher.
    A little known chapter in Clinton's (very thick) book of shagging.
    Thatcher's less well known 'Yes, Yes' speech.
    'I'm enjoying this!'
    Only on April 1st... Like a few other posts so far today...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,375
    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
    It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,640
    Dura_Ace said:

    IanB2 said:

    Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.

    Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
    Give them time - first they have to get to the camp at Calais.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,640
    MarqueeMark said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
    It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
    "wet" but not cold. It's the ice that does it.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    This is spot on and very well articulated. A definition of #Woke [VIDEO]

    https://twitter.com/dominicfarrell/status/1642057670646456322
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267
    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.

    In the last couple of months we have had about a dozen power cuts. Unlike the 70s, power cuts have become pretty well unknown, but they are now back.

    There is a lot of building locally and I hope it is down to that but it does feel like things are falling apart.
    We have also had a "winter of discontent" on the scale of 1979. The reporting has been considerably less frantic than in the days of Callaghan, although in some respects, particularly in the NHS the ramifications have been equally, if not more marked than they were then.

    I am not under reporting 1979 by the way. It was bad, it was very, very bad.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    So glad to read @Keir_Starmer ‘s strong statement in support of @RosieDuffield1 and his determination to face down the intolerant extremists who are making @TheLabourParty a hostile environment for those who support women’s and LGB rights.

    https://twitter.com/BevJacksonAuth/status/1642072447301165058?s=20
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267
    Sean_F said:

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/painting-of-trump-crucified/

    Has anyone seen the photo of Trump as Christ on the Cross, with Nancy Pelosi driving a spear into his side, and Melania kneeling at his feet?

    If I were an evangelical Christian I would be seriously offended by a serial philanderer and alleged fraudster being depicted as the crucified Messiah.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,230
    MarqueeMark said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
    It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
    Not been very wet up here, definitely much drier than usual so far.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,219
    CarlottaVance said:

    So glad to read @Keir_Starmer ‘s strong statement in support of @RosieDuffield1 and his determination to face down the intolerant extremists who are making @TheLabourParty a hostile environment for those who support women’s and LGB rights.

    https://twitter.com/BevJacksonAuth/status/1642072447301165058?s=20

    Took his time
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267
    malcolmg said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
    It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
    Not been very wet up here, definitely much drier than usual so far.
    April Fool?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,765
    CarlottaVance said:

    This is spot on and very well articulated. A definition of #Woke [VIDEO]

    https://twitter.com/dominicfarrell/status/1642057670646456322

    Most of the video’s definition of woke is “people who have rigid beliefs and impose them on others, to our cultural detriment”. But that describes a whole host of people: on the left, on the right, of various religions, etc. Moral righteousness and intolerance of alternate views is not a sin unique to one side. This is all very Matthew 7:5.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,635
    Andy_JS said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    The date of women voting is tricky, because states allowed that at different times. The 1776 New Jersey constitution allowed women to vote -- provided they had enough property. (The NYT article where I read that said something similar was true in Britain, at the time.) After a scandal a few decades later, New Jersey changed to manhood suffrage.

    The state of Wyoming was the first to grant women the right to vote generally. Which it did in 1869, and women first voted there in 1870. (I have suspected for many years that Wyoming was hoping more women would be attracted to settle there, but have seen no evidence, either way.)

    (Not so incidentally, the same New Jersey constitution allowed free blacks to vote, again assuming they had enough property, as at least a few apparently did.)

    Interesting. I thought all women were barred from voting in the UK until 1918.
    IIRC in the Olde Olde Days women of property could vote because property made your position in the hierarchy. Women actually lost the right to vote when voting requirements were formalised.

    IIRC the Reform act of 1832, ironically, formalised voting at national elections as men only.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,230
    Mexicanpete said:

    malcolmg said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
    It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
    Not been very wet up here, definitely much drier than usual so far.
    April Fool?
    Nice one and NO it has been reasonably pleasant in March and had about 2 days of frost all winter.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,375
    Carnyx said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
    It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
    "wet" but not cold. It's the ice that does it.
    No, its the rivers of water down here that wash away the road surface.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,671
    The only story I have glanced thst looks like an April fool apart from the ludicrous story about the UK building a third carrier is the one about unlimited fines being proposed for water companies.. it'll never happen...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,727
    MarqueeMark said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    The country feels like it’s falling apart.

    Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
    It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
    I'm not talking about the normal pot holes and I'm not just talking about this winter. Our road has been closed a dozen times over the last couple of years. At the crossroad at the top of our road only the turning to the right has stayed open. The road opposite was almost constantly closed. I made a claim for a wrecked tyre on it. It has now been resurfaced and is good. The turning to the left, which leads to the A3 is often closed. It permanently has at least 3 spots with lights around big holes. A lane off this road was closed for months until resurfaced because it was impassible. This isn't just winter pot holes. We often have only one route out. And this is Surrey, not the middle of nowhere.

    And the power cuts. What is all that about? Until recently that had become a rare event. Oh and we have water supply problems occasionally.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,955
    JosiasJessop said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Jessop, the Williams, a bit like last year, is tasty in a straight line so he was going purple in the middle sector pretty often. Good driving too, must be said.

    Years ago, I would arrange my weekends so I could watch F1. Last year, I think I only watched one race (the live British GP). This year, I've yet to watch one lap, either on YouTube or Channel 4 highlights.

    It's been a slow process, but F1 has lost me as a fan. I still read articles about it occasionally, but my passion for it has gone. That feels a little sad after more than forty years of following it.
    What we need is some 'conspiracy' action. F1 is nothing without that.

    Eg it's clear as day that RB have messed up Perez here so as to make sure he doesn't get in Mad Max's way for the title. It's much easier to have a clear 1/2 dynamic in the team than a potentially fraught Ham/Ros type situation developing.

    Ok so I've made this up for 1st April ... or have I?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,635
    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:

    Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool



    I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799703636369408?m

    (Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).

    Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
    Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.

    More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?


    Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.



    From:

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799903398486020?t=08VKdWIrBN8rnfVPnbQDaQ&s=19

    That's a very sharp observation.

    There was that study in the ?BMJ on the health impact of austerity - much decried on here, I seem to recall.

    https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/uk-austerity-since-2010-linked-to-tens-of-thousands-more-deaths-than-expected/

    https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/10/e046417

    (and some output estimates that might interest @Pagan2 too).

    It's looking very likely from those graphs, I must say, and I see other researchers are coming up with similar conclusions: for instance

    https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/mortality-rates-among-men-and-women-impact-of-austerity/
    The other day, someone was upset by armchair generalship. When asked, he said that it was because it was about people’s lives.

    Governments kill all the time. COVID killed like a war - hell, a policy difference and a change of a few percent in the death toll would have been the butchers bill for some small wars….

    Hence the saying “Like fire, government is dangerous servant and a fearful master.”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,635
    prh47bridge said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    SandraMc said:

    MikeL said:

    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?

    The ignorance of many of the BBC'S specialist correspondents never ceases to amaze me. On an edition of the quiz show Pointless, the BBC'S Arts Editor was asked who composed La Traviata? The clue was that it began with V. He said Vivaldi.
    TBF, as I understand it, many of these shoes ask the contestants to always give an answer: in other words, 'pass' or 'I don't know' are not acceptable answers, and you are not given a lot of time to think. Therefore you are far more likely to give answers that seem stupid when you'd prefer to say you didn't know.

    As for the original question: I've little idea what the answer is, and would probably guess wrong. What is it?

    (My guess would be 'Women granted right to vote'; but that's through vague guesswork and several minutes thought. In fact, I'd give this order, from first to last:
    Women granted right to vote
    A President elected to a 4th term
    First TV debate
    A woman elected Vice-President
    Yes, that is the correct order.

    Women got the right to vote in 1920, although some states allowed it earlier than that.

    Franklin D Roosevelt was elected to a fourth term in 1944.

    The first TV debate was in 1960.

    The first woman elected Vice-President was Kamala Harris in 2020.
    Is there any question, where the right answer is Professor Peston PHd, FRS, DipSHit ?
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