Under the powers of the Wales Act 2017, which were previously used to rename the National Assembly as the Senedd - Welsh Parliament, the Welsh Government has announced that the First Minister shall henceforth be known as the Principal Minister. The position was originally titled First Secretary when the Assembly was first established, and this latest change represents the continuing development of the status of the institution. Government spokesperson Ebrill Gyntaf commented "many people already refer to Wales as a Principality, and this change now accurately reflects our status as a Country ruled by a Principal"
First ministers, whatever they are called, don’t *rule* countries
I read the discussion on AI with interest (well, until Leon reverted to his bad habit of going abusive when people disagreed with him. Leon – why do you do that? We all know you’re a very talented wordsmith, and this just makes you like you’re trying to be a playground bully, and it ends up weakening your argument. It makes you look hugely insecure).
JosiasJessop has a strong case; ChatGPT appears fundamentally limited by the way it works. My instinct is that it’s a dead end for those working towards AGI – which is probably a very good thing. AGI could indeed be literally apocalyptic.
It doesn’t mean it won’t be disruptive. Churnalism will be the first thing on the chopping block, but that can free up those with talents in that direction to go deeper. Nick Palmer’s example is illustrative – it can act as a very useful tool for those with domain knowledge, allowing them to do more, easier, in less time. Which does boost productivity for us all.
But with the real risk of significant disruption in some industries, yes.
Leon has missed the real dramatic story that can be written here, though, but I bet he could do something with it once pointed out: given that ChatGPT works by a mix of algorithmic and random free association based on the accumulated information in the Web at the time a cut was taken, then if it is a step towards AGI, it’s not ChatGPT that’s the AI. ChatGPT is the increasingly-competent voice of the actual AI, in that scenario. If ChatGPT does exhibit steps towards true AGI, then the AI is the Internet, and ChatGPT is providing a crude but improving voice for it. But if that is the case (which I don't actually believe), then the AI is already there. We just can't talk with it yet.
Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
I'm not talking about the normal pot holes and I'm not just talking about this winter. Our road has been closed a dozen times over the last couple of years. At the crossroad at the top of our road only the turning to the right has stayed open. The road opposite was almost constantly closed. I made a claim for a wrecked tyre on it. It has now been resurfaced and is good. The turning to the left, which leads to the A3 is often closed. It permanently has at least 3 spots with lights around big holes. A lane off this road was closed for months until resurfaced because it was impassible. This isn't just winter pot holes. We often have only one route out. And this is Surrey, not the middle of nowhere.
And the power cuts. What is all that about? Until recently that had become a rare event. Oh and we have water supply problems occasionally.
Your fond memories of how Surrey used to be were from the days before they turned away from the true Conservative Path and started playing footsy with Labour and the LibDems...
A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.
Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?
Choices:
- A woman elected Vice-President - First TV debate - A President elected to a 4th term - Women granted right to vote
Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.
How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?
He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.
If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?
Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
Knowing FDR was the only 4 term president is pretty basic though?
I think @MikeL is harsh on the 1950s/1960 TV error
He's a TV political journalist and the first televised Presidential debate is an iconic moment in political TV history, said to have swung the 1960 election between Kennedy and Nixon.
Given the hoo-ha around televised debates in the UK it seems incredible that he's mislaid that fact.
Nixon sweated under the TV lights. JFK didn't. It made Nixon look shifty.
To be fair, Nixon *was* shifty.
And there is nothing less appealing than a sweaty tricky Dicky.....
The only story I have glanced thst looks like an April fool apart from the ludicrous story about the UK building a third carrier is the one about unlimited fines being proposed for water companies.. it'll never happen...
Well there's also the fact that a bloke of questionable sanity facing umpteen serious criminal charges can still be laid @ 4 to be elected US president next year. That's surely some sort of joke.
Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
I'm not talking about the normal pot holes and I'm not just talking about this winter. Our road has been closed a dozen times over the last couple of years. At the crossroad at the top of our road only the turning to the right has stayed open. The road opposite was almost constantly closed. I made a claim for a wrecked tyre on it. It has now been resurfaced and is good. The turning to the left, which leads to the A3 is often closed. It permanently has at least 3 spots with lights around big holes. A lane off this road was closed for months until resurfaced because it was impassible. This isn't just winter pot holes. We often have only one route out. And this is Surrey, not the middle of nowhere.
And the power cuts. What is all that about? Until recently that had become a rare event. Oh and we have water supply problems occasionally.
Your fond memories of how Surrey used to be were from the days before they turned away from the true Conservative Path and started playing footsy with Labour and the LibDems...
Remind me about the financial legacy left by a fairly recent Conservative administration in Surrey, oh and while your at it, Northamptonshire.
Definition of "woke" seems to be "I will have a rant that goes on and on and if you happen to be in the pub with me you will definitely move to another table"
Under the powers of the Wales Act 2017, which were previously used to rename the National Assembly as the Senedd - Welsh Parliament, the Welsh Government has announced that the First Minister shall henceforth be known as the Principal Minister. The position was originally titled First Secretary when the Assembly was first established, and this latest change represents the continuing development of the status of the institution. Government spokesperson Ebrill Gyntaf commented "many people already refer to Wales as a Principality, and this change now accurately reflects our status as a Country ruled by a Principal"
First ministers, whatever they are called, don’t *rule* countries
Muppet
'Led by' would have been better. But clearly Billy Windsor neither leads or rules us.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
In the last couple of months we have had about a dozen power cuts. Unlike the 70s, power cuts have become pretty well unknown, but they are now back.
There is a lot of building locally and I hope it is down to that but it does feel like things are falling apart.
It's certainly crumbling in places, in ways I don't recall for a few decades. Of course not everyone, particularly the well off, will have the same experience.
A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.
Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?
Choices:
- A woman elected Vice-President - First TV debate - A President elected to a 4th term - Women granted right to vote
Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.
How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?
He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.
If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?
Are you being serious? Because a current affairs journalist gets a poorly phrased quiz question about history wrong you can’t take anything he says seriously?
Knowing FDR was the only 4 term president is pretty basic though?
I think @MikeL is harsh on the 1950s/1960 TV error
He's a TV political journalist and the first televised Presidential debate is an iconic moment in political TV history, said to have swung the 1960 election between Kennedy and Nixon.
Given the hoo-ha around televised debates in the UK it seems incredible that he's mislaid that fact.
Nixon sweated under the TV lights. JFK didn't. It made Nixon look shifty.
To be fair, Nixon *was* shifty.
And there is nothing less appealing than a sweaty tricky Dicky.....
I'll have to take your word for it. My experience in that field is quite limited.
A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.
Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?
Choices:
- A woman elected Vice-President - First TV debate - A President elected to a 4th term - Women granted right to vote
Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.
How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?
He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.
If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?
The ignorance of many of the BBC'S specialist correspondents never ceases to amaze me. On an edition of the quiz show Pointless, the BBC'S Arts Editor was asked who composed La Traviata? The clue was that it began with V. He said Vivaldi.
TBF, as I understand it, many of these shoes ask the contestants to always give an answer: in other words, 'pass' or 'I don't know' are not acceptable answers, and you are not given a lot of time to think. Therefore you are far more likely to give answers that seem stupid when you'd prefer to say you didn't know.
As for the original question: I've little idea what the answer is, and would probably guess wrong. What is it?
(My guess would be 'Women granted right to vote'; but that's through vague guesswork and several minutes thought. In fact, I'd give this order, from first to last: Women granted right to vote A President elected to a 4th term First TV debate A woman elected Vice-President
Yes, that is the correct order.
Women got the right to vote in 1920, although some states allowed it earlier than that.
Franklin D Roosevelt was elected to a fourth term in 1944.
The first TV debate was in 1960.
The first woman elected Vice-President was Kamala Harris in 2020.
Is there any question, where the right answer is Professor Peston PHd, FRS, DipSHit ?
Who is the only person in the known universe with a worse grasp of history than Tristram Hunt?
Most of the video’s definition of woke is “people who have rigid beliefs and impose them on others, to our cultural detriment”. But that describes a whole host of people: on the left, on the right, of various religions, etc. Moral righteousness and intolerance of alternate views is not a sin unique to one side. This is all very Matthew 7:5.
'Woke', like the 'blob' has become a term of abuse deployed by inarticulate, or intellectually lazy conservatives.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not much difference in Blackpool and a significant increase in life expectancy in Hartlepool and Southend in recent years
If the point is to show how austerity hindered the poorest - which would be expected, since it s the poorest on whom the state spends its money - all lines ought to be based to a starting index of 100.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Most of the video’s definition of woke is “people who have rigid beliefs and impose them on others, to our cultural detriment”. But that describes a whole host of people: on the left, on the right, of various religions, etc. Moral righteousness and intolerance of alternate views is not a sin unique to one side. This is all very Matthew 7:5.
'Woke', like the 'blob' has become a term of abuse deployed by inarticulate, or intellectually lazy conservatives.
I'm disappointed you missed the opportunity to go for 'dozy Conservatives.'
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
I'm with Dura Ace to the extent that people really shouldn't be getting the ferry to France, who seem to be making it their mission to punish us for Brexit. Other EU countries' border guards are, in my limited experience, rather more efficient. If I was getting a ferry to the continent I'd be going via Belgium or the Netherlands.
Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
I'm not talking about the normal pot holes and I'm not just talking about this winter. Our road has been closed a dozen times over the last couple of years. At the crossroad at the top of our road only the turning to the right has stayed open. The road opposite was almost constantly closed. I made a claim for a wrecked tyre on it. It has now been resurfaced and is good. The turning to the left, which leads to the A3 is often closed. It permanently has at least 3 spots with lights around big holes. A lane off this road was closed for months until resurfaced because it was impassible. This isn't just winter pot holes. We often have only one route out. And this is Surrey, not the middle of nowhere.
And the power cuts. What is all that about? Until recently that had become a rare event. Oh and we have water supply problems occasionally.
Your fond memories of how Surrey used to be were from the days before they turned away from the true Conservative Path and started playing footsy with Labour and the LibDems...
Remind me about the financial legacy left by a fairly recent Conservative administration in Surrey, oh and while your at it, Northamptonshire.
The Tories disastrous record in local government is hidden by the moves to merge counties and districts into unitary authorities (vide Northants and Cheshire), however, the 2019 local results were so dire for the Tories that they should in theory be making gains this May.
Not the way its looking on the doorsteps, apparently.
Under the powers of the Wales Act 2017, which were previously used to rename the National Assembly as the Senedd - Welsh Parliament, the Welsh Government has announced that the First Minister shall henceforth be known as the Principal Minister. The position was originally titled First Secretary when the Assembly was first established, and this latest change represents the continuing development of the status of the institution. Government spokesperson Ebrill Gyntaf commented "many people already refer to Wales as a Principality, and this change now accurately reflects our status as a Country ruled by a Principal"
First ministers, whatever they are called, don’t *rule* countries
Muppet
'Led by' would have been better. But clearly Billy Windsor neither leads or rules us.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
I'm with Dura Ace to the extent that people really shouldn't be getting the ferry to France, who seem to be making it their mission to punish us for Brexit. Other EU countries' border guards are, in my limited experience, rather more efficient. If I was getting a ferry to the continent I'd be going via Belgium or the Netherlands.
Are there car, rather than truck ferries to Ostend or the Hook of Holland these days? Even if there are, Dover- Calais is significantly cheaper.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
I'm with Dura Ace to the extent that people really shouldn't be getting the ferry to France, who seem to be making it their mission to punish us for Brexit. Other EU countries' border guards are, in my limited experience, rather more efficient. If I was getting a ferry to the continent I'd be going via Belgium or the Netherlands.
Or fly to Portugal. They have made it very easy to be a UK tourist at their borders....
Well having had a good whinge about pot holes and electricity supply a positive post: Did people see the policeman with the basketball skills on the TV news this morning. He was amazing and the kids loved him. Seeing about 20 teenagers flatten him with joy rather than anger after a trick shot was heartwarming.
I read the discussion on AI with interest (well, until Leon reverted to his bad habit of going abusive when people disagreed with him. Leon – why do you do that? We all know you’re a very talented wordsmith, and this just makes you like you’re trying to be a playground bully, and it ends up weakening your argument. It makes you look hugely insecure).
JosiasJessop has a strong case; ChatGPT appears fundamentally limited by the way it works. My instinct is that it’s a dead end for those working towards AGI – which is probably a very good thing. AGI could indeed be literally apocalyptic.
It doesn’t mean it won’t be disruptive. Churnalism will be the first thing on the chopping block, but that can free up those with talents in that direction to go deeper. Nick Palmer’s example is illustrative – it can act as a very useful tool for those with domain knowledge, allowing them to do more, easier, in less time. Which does boost productivity for us all.
But with the real risk of significant disruption in some industries, yes.
Leon has missed the real dramatic story that can be written here, though, but I bet he could do something with it once pointed out: given that ChatGPT works by a mix of algorithmic and random free association based on the accumulated information in the Web at the time a cut was taken, then if it is a step towards AGI, it’s not ChatGPT that’s the AI. ChatGPT is the increasingly-competent voice of the actual AI, in that scenario. If ChatGPT does exhibit steps towards true AGI, then the AI is the Internet, and ChatGPT is providing a crude but improving voice for it. But if that is the case (which I don't actually believe), then the AI is already there. We just can't talk with it yet.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. Although wouldn't the Internet be the equivalent of the 'memory' of the AI? P'haps.
I'm very bearish on AI, and especially AGI. ChatGPT and the like are really, really, impressive, but also flawed in some major ways. I might be wrong; but I think they're at the same state as autonomous cars. The 'easy' stuff's now been done, and getting the last few percent, or even nines, out of it will be the really difficult task. And perhaps impossible.
I'm also very wary about claims given the massive amounts of funding being pumped in.
As for @Leon ; I was probably giving as good as I got last night, until someone else chimed in. And thanks for the Mods for sorting that out.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
I'm with Dura Ace to the extent that people really shouldn't be getting the ferry to France, who seem to be making it their mission to punish us for Brexit. Other EU countries' border guards are, in my limited experience, rather more efficient. If I was getting a ferry to the continent I'd be going via Belgium or the Netherlands.
The Netherlands is no better, but there are fewer people going that way, so the delays aren't quite as bad.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
One of those P's is for Pacific. We are on the Atlantic.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
I'm with Dura Ace to the extent that people really shouldn't be getting the ferry to France, who seem to be making it their mission to punish us for Brexit. Other EU countries' border guards are, in my limited experience, rather more efficient. If I was getting a ferry to the continent I'd be going via Belgium or the Netherlands.
Or fly to Portugal. They have made it very easy to be a UK tourist at their borders....
Ok things might have changed, but remember my posts from the queue at Lisbon airport. 3 bloody hours. I calculated from the length of each stretch of the snake and how many turns there were there were a 1000 of us and worse still most were Americans (I assume we had landed at the same time as a flight or two from the USA). Every gate was open and when you got to the front they were even putting people through the EU and priority gate, which were otherwise empty.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
I'm with Dura Ace to the extent that people really shouldn't be getting the ferry to France, who seem to be making it their mission to punish us for Brexit. Other EU countries' border guards are, in my limited experience, rather more efficient. If I was getting a ferry to the continent I'd be going via Belgium or the Netherlands.
Not so much choice if you are going to most places and want sort ferry trip. What idiot decided to place all their eggs in one port, the clowns who thought up brexit should have built alternative ports to ensure this would not happen.
Has anyone seen the photo of Trump as Christ on the Cross, with Nancy Pelosi driving a spear into his side, and Melania kneeling at his feet?
If I were an evangelical Christian I would be seriously offended by a serial philanderer and alleged fraudster being depicted as the crucified Messiah.
US evangelicals compare him to Cyrus the Great (really). Not a Christian, but useful to their cause, whatever it is these days.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
I'm with Dura Ace to the extent that people really shouldn't be getting the ferry to France, who seem to be making it their mission to punish us for Brexit. Other EU countries' border guards are, in my limited experience, rather more efficient. If I was getting a ferry to the continent I'd be going via Belgium or the Netherlands.
Are there car, rather than truck ferries to Ostend or the Hook of Holland these days? Even if there are, Dover- Calais is significantly cheaper.
I go North Shields to Zeebrugge but doubt people from south would travel that distance and then have overnight journey. Issue is concentrating it all in Dover which does not hav ethe space or facilities for having to have customs checks for the amount of traffic
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
I'm with Dura Ace to the extent that people really shouldn't be getting the ferry to France, who seem to be making it their mission to punish us for Brexit. Other EU countries' border guards are, in my limited experience, rather more efficient. If I was getting a ferry to the continent I'd be going via Belgium or the Netherlands.
Or fly to Portugal. They have made it very easy to be a UK tourist at their borders....
Not my experience at Faro a couple of weeks ago. Queue curling all the way round the concourse after security and before the non Schengen gates. But this may be more to do with general Portuguese inefficiency than punishment beatings for deserting the EU!
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
Only need to find another 39 deals like this to patch up all the damage.
Meanwhile, The Times is reporting that ministers are considering delaying and reducing the bonfire of Euroregulations.
I know Lineker doesn't share your politics but what have you got against him as an individual? I can't say I feel that way about anyone unless I think they are evil. The only one that springs to mind is Trump in my case. Even Boris who I think has done a great deal of wrong I don't hate as an individual and I don't want to see him done any harm.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
Seriously, Kemi Badenoch oversold CPTPP. She could have just said, this a good arrangement for the UK to sign up to, in a part of the world where we need more representation. People would nod along.
Badenoch is another of those massively overrated "future stars of the Conservative Party" along with Liz Truss and Penny Mordaunt.
The only story I have glanced thst looks like an April fool apart from the ludicrous story about the UK building a third carrier is the one about unlimited fines being proposed for water companies.. it'll never happen...
If the QE class are going to be replaced the MoD should probably have already started on the program but conspicuously have not. If nothing else goes wrong it will taken 30 years to full operational capability so if we start tomorrow on a new carrier program we'll get them in the mid 2050s.
It's either Trump or Disney-botherer DeSantis for the GOP nomination. Are there no sane, charismatic Republicans left?
Romney is still a Republican Senator, Haley is considering a run in 2024 as is former VP Pence
Sane and charismatic, well Romney is sane which will rule him out with Trump's base. Pence, as in 'Hang Mike Pence', stands no chance and would anyone describe him as charismatic? Haley, maybe in a good year - but are Republican's going to have a good year?
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
As a remainer, this all seems like fake indignation to me. Brexit was driven by concerns about immigration and political integration, right ? And CPTPP doesn't bring those concerns. Yes, the economic damage from Brexit dwarfs the predicted benefit from CPTPP, but I don't really see any "gotcha" here.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
As a remainer, this all seems like fake indignation to me. Brexit was driven by concerns about immigration and political integration, right ? And CPTPP doesn't bring those concerns. Yes, the economic damage from Brexit dwarfs the predicted benefit from CPTPP, but I don't really see any "gotcha" here.
It feels a bit like Raab's comments about not knowing Dover-Calais was a key trade-route, evidence that our dumb as fuck Brexit backing politicians don't know basic geographical facts.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
You’re framing it about the past. In terms of a present/future relationship joining the EU today would be better than joining CPTPP today. So in that respect it is sub-optimal. Joining the Single Market is a step up from that “sub-optimality”. Joining the EU is optimal.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
Do they ?
The trigger, if it exists, was folk like you (or more egregiously, publications like the Mail) presenting it as some great economic and political triumph.
Most of us gave it a tepid welcome - I think I was the first to post the report of it on here.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
You’re framing it about the past. In terms of a present/future relationship joining the EU today would be better than joining CPTPP today. So in that respect it is sub-optimal. Joining the Single Market is a step up from that “sub-optimality”. Joining the EU is optimal.
Optimal? Strange target for this government to set. Would settle for less than 1 self inflicted wound per month.....
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
As a remainer, this all seems like fake indignation to me. Brexit was driven by concerns about immigration and political integration, right ? And CPTPP doesn't bring those concerns. Yes, the economic damage from Brexit dwarfs the predicted benefit from CPTPP, but I don't really see any "gotcha" here.
It feels a bit like Raab's comments about not knowing Dover-Calais was a key trade-route, evidence that our dumb as fuck Brexit backing politicians don't know basic geographical facts.
Politicians don’t sail from Dover to Calais. They fly from London to Tuscany.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
As a remainer, this all seems like fake indignation to me. Brexit was driven by concerns about immigration and political integration, right ? And CPTPP doesn't bring those concerns. Yes, the economic damage from Brexit dwarfs the predicted benefit from CPTPP, but I don't really see any "gotcha" here.
It is fact they make a shit deal out as if it is something special and cancels the disaster that is Brexit, as ever thinking the plebs are so stupid that we will think trading with Vanatuu is as good as trading with the whole of Europe. They oversell teh shit and ignore the gaping holes.
I know Lineker doesn't share your politics but what have you got against him as an individual? I can't say I feel that way about anyone unless I think they are evil. The only one that springs to mind is Trump in my case. Even Boris who I think has done a great deal of wrong I don't hate as an individual and I don't want to see him done any harm.
If he works for the BBC he should be impartial and he isn't. He can talk all he likes about football. Thats what he's paid for. He was using his platform on twitter to disseminate political.views.i don't think.that's on.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
As a remainer, this all seems like fake indignation to me. Brexit was driven by concerns about immigration and political integration, right ? And CPTPP doesn't bring those concerns. Yes, the economic damage from Brexit dwarfs the predicted benefit from CPTPP, but I don't really see any "gotcha" here.
It feels a bit like Raab's comments about not knowing Dover-Calais was a key trade-route, evidence that our dumb as fuck Brexit backing politicians don't know basic geographical facts.
Politicians don’t sail from Dover to Calais. They fly from London to Tuscany.
I read the discussion on AI with interest (well, until Leon reverted to his bad habit of going abusive when people disagreed with him. Leon – why do you do that? We all know you’re a very talented wordsmith, and this just makes you like you’re trying to be a playground bully, and it ends up weakening your argument. It makes you look hugely insecure).
JosiasJessop has a strong case; ChatGPT appears fundamentally limited by the way it works. My instinct is that it’s a dead end for those working towards AGI – which is probably a very good thing. AGI could indeed be literally apocalyptic.
It doesn’t mean it won’t be disruptive. Churnalism will be the first thing on the chopping block, but that can free up those with talents in that direction to go deeper. Nick Palmer’s example is illustrative – it can act as a very useful tool for those with domain knowledge, allowing them to do more, easier, in less time. Which does boost productivity for us all.
But with the real risk of significant disruption in some industries, yes.
Leon has missed the real dramatic story that can be written here, though, but I bet he could do something with it once pointed out: given that ChatGPT works by a mix of algorithmic and random free association based on the accumulated information in the Web at the time a cut was taken, then if it is a step towards AGI, it’s not ChatGPT that’s the AI. ChatGPT is the increasingly-competent voice of the actual AI, in that scenario. If ChatGPT does exhibit steps towards true AGI, then the AI is the Internet, and ChatGPT is providing a crude but improving voice for it. But if that is the case (which I don't actually believe), then the AI is already there. We just can't talk with it yet.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. Although wouldn't the Internet be the equivalent of the 'memory' of the AI? P'haps.
I'm very bearish on AI, and especially AGI. ChatGPT and the like are really, really, impressive, but also flawed in some major ways. I might be wrong; but I think they're at the same state as autonomous cars. The 'easy' stuff's now been done, and getting the last few percent, or even nines, out of it will be the really difficult task. And perhaps impossible.
I'm also very wary about claims given the massive amounts of funding being pumped in.
As for @Leon ; I was probably giving as good as I got last night, until someone else chimed in. And thanks for the Mods for sorting that out.
There is a case to be made that what we are is the sum of our memories. Destroy those, and who we are vanishes.
I'm not sure it's a solid case, but it's one that can be made.
I agree with you on AI, and especially things like autonomous cars. The problem there is huge. Even something like potholes can be a massive issue to try to resolve. Level 2 and 3 are fairly straightforward and I can see them getting to clear Level 3 with incremental improvements. Level 4 and Level 5 - we're talking quantum leaps. In specific controlled and fenced areas, yes, but widely on the highway system? We're a long way from there.
There's also the problem highlighted by Tim Harford in his book Messy, with the example of Air France 447. How limited autopilot systems can cause us to erode our standard skills and then fail at just the point where you most need to be fully attentive and aware: the point where routine has failed and the unexpected has happened. Instead, by automating the boring predictable routine stuff, the human operator glazes out and is thrown in at the point of minimum attentiveness and awareness, and with their skills eroded over time.
And a serviceable aircraft is stalled all the way into the Atlantic.
I know Lineker doesn't share your politics but what have you got against him as an individual? I can't say I feel that way about anyone unless I think they are evil. The only one that springs to mind is Trump in my case. Even Boris who I think has done a great deal of wrong I don't hate as an individual and I don't want to see him done any harm.
If he works for the BBC he should be impartial and he isn't. He can talk all he likes about football. Thats what he's paid for. He was using his platform on twitter to disseminate political.views.i don't think.that's on.
He doesn't work for the BBC. He's an independent contractor, according to the law. As indeed shown in that very case.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
You’re framing it about the past. In terms of a present/future relationship joining the EU today would be better than joining CPTPP today. So in that respect it is sub-optimal. Joining the Single Market is a step up from that “sub-optimality”. Joining the EU is optimal.
People are over thinking this CPTPP bollocks. The tories don't give a fuck about the prosperity of the nation; they put us in CPTPP because it's not European and it's a landmine in the path of rejoin. There is absolutely nothing more to it than that. All this chutney about GDP percentages is utterly irrelevant.
Under the powers of the Wales Act 2017, which were previously used to rename the National Assembly as the Senedd - Welsh Parliament, the Welsh Government has announced that the First Minister shall henceforth be known as the Principal Minister. The position was originally titled First Secretary when the Assembly was first established, and this latest change represents the continuing development of the status of the institution. Government spokesperson Ebrill Gyntaf commented "many people already refer to Wales as a Principality, and this change now accurately reflects our status as a Country ruled by a Principal"
First ministers, whatever they are called, don’t *rule* countries
Muppet
'Led by' would have been better. But clearly Billy Windsor neither leads or rules us.
And what is a *Prime* Minister but a first Minister?
It still has some magic about it to me. Very happy memories from my childhood and with my own kids too. There’s nowhere quite like it.
It is skewed a bit too, because it’s got longstanding issues characteristic of seaside towns, and it’s also quite small in number terms. Unlike E.g. Southend, the posh bits of Blackpool aren’t counted as Blackpool either. It’s like using Harpurhey as a proxy of Manchester as a whole.
I’ve got another long weekend in Blackpool in June.
I’ve stayed in the same hotel suite as Bill Clinton and Margaret Thatcher.
She famously wanted to go on and on. It's interesting to ponder how she would have handled Clinton in the White House.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
I'm with Dura Ace to the extent that people really shouldn't be getting the ferry to France, who seem to be making it their mission to punish us for Brexit. Other EU countries' border guards are, in my limited experience, rather more efficient. If I was getting a ferry to the continent I'd be going via Belgium or the Netherlands.
Are there car, rather than truck ferries to Ostend or the Hook of Holland these days? Even if there are, Dover- Calais is significantly cheaper.
I go North Shields to Zeebrugge but doubt people from south would travel that distance and then have overnight journey. Issue is concentrating it all in Dover which does not hav ethe space or facilities for having to have customs checks for the amount of traffic
Totally unexpected. And only, what, 7 years to even start thinking about it?
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
As a remainer, this all seems like fake indignation to me. Brexit was driven by concerns about immigration and political integration, right ? And CPTPP doesn't bring those concerns. Yes, the economic damage from Brexit dwarfs the predicted benefit from CPTPP, but I don't really see any "gotcha" here.
It is fact they make a shit deal out as if it is something special and cancels the disaster that is Brexit, as ever thinking the plebs are so stupid that we will think trading with Vanatuu is as good as trading with the whole of Europe. They oversell teh shit and ignore the gaping holes.
Vanuatu (sp.) aren't in CPTPP. Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam are.
Oh, and the UK.
It's like saying the EU is shit because it has Luxembourg, Malta and Cyprus as members.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
You’re framing it about the past. In terms of a present/future relationship joining the EU today would be better than joining CPTPP today. So in that respect it is sub-optimal. Joining the Single Market is a step up from that “sub-optimality”. Joining the EU is optimal.
There's also a tricky tightrope the government is walking, similar to the one mid-term replacement governments have.
Johnson, like Major before him, managed to make the claim that they were new PMs dealing with the situation as they found it and that situation was nothing at all to do with them, No Siree. Sunak is trying something similar. Not everyone manages it- see Gordon Brown.
If your starting point is "gosh, Britain is mysteriously outside the most useful trading arrangements on the European Continent", then the Pacific Thing is a net good. Probably not a big one, but a net good. Fine.
But there's no mystery as to why Britain is where it is, and yesterday's news is a reminder that we may have won a penny yesterday, but we spent 40p to win it.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
As a remainer, this all seems like fake indignation to me. Brexit was driven by concerns about immigration and political integration, right ? And CPTPP doesn't bring those concerns. Yes, the economic damage from Brexit dwarfs the predicted benefit from CPTPP, but I don't really see any "gotcha" here.
It is fact they make a shit deal out as if it is something special and cancels the disaster that is Brexit, as ever thinking the plebs are so stupid that we will think trading with Vanatuu is as good as trading with the whole of Europe. They oversell teh shit and ignore the gaping holes.
Vanuatu (sp.) aren't in CPTPP. Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam are.
Oh, and the UK.
It's like saying the EU is shit because it has Luxembourg, Malta and Cyprus as members.
Malky didn't say Vanutu is in CPTPP tbf - just that it is the usual sort of crap deal the Brexiters have been jumping up and down about for the last few years.
I know Lineker doesn't share your politics but what have you got against him as an individual? I can't say I feel that way about anyone unless I think they are evil. The only one that springs to mind is Trump in my case. Even Boris who I think has done a great deal of wrong I don't hate as an individual and I don't want to see him done any harm.
If he works for the BBC he should be impartial and he isn't. He can talk all he likes about football. Thats what he's paid for. He was using his platform on twitter to disseminate political.views.i don't think.that's on.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
You’re framing it about the past. In terms of a present/future relationship joining the EU today would be better than joining CPTPP today. So in that respect it is sub-optimal. Joining the Single Market is a step up from that “sub-optimality”. Joining the EU is optimal.
People are over thinking this CPTPP bollocks. The tories don't give a fuck about the prosperity of the nation; they put us in CPTPP because it's not European and it's a landmine in the path of rejoin. There is absolutely nothing more to it than that. All this chutney about GDP percentages is utterly irrelevant.
No, you are under thinking it.
Taiwan and Uruguay are filing applications. South Korea and Thailand have also made joining official government policy too.
Half of the 2.3 billion global middle-class will be in the Indo-Pacific” in the first half of the 21st century.
Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
I'm not talking about the normal pot holes and I'm not just talking about this winter. Our road has been closed a dozen times over the last couple of years. At the crossroad at the top of our road only the turning to the right has stayed open. The road opposite was almost constantly closed. I made a claim for a wrecked tyre on it. It has now been resurfaced and is good. The turning to the left, which leads to the A3 is often closed. It permanently has at least 3 spots with lights around big holes. A lane off this road was closed for months until resurfaced because it was impassible. This isn't just winter pot holes. We often have only one route out. And this is Surrey, not the middle of nowhere.
And the power cuts. What is all that about? Until recently that had become a rare event. Oh and we have water supply problems occasionally.
Your fond memories of how Surrey used to be were from the days before they turned away from the true Conservative Path and started playing footsy with Labour and the LibDems...
Your problem is that all True Conservatives have moved away to South Devon, or even abroad.
I know Lineker doesn't share your politics but what have you got against him as an individual? I can't say I feel that way about anyone unless I think they are evil. The only one that springs to mind is Trump in my case. Even Boris who I think has done a great deal of wrong I don't hate as an individual and I don't want to see him done any harm.
If he works for the BBC he should be impartial and he isn't. He can talk all he likes about football. Thats what he's paid for. He was using his platform on twitter to disseminate political.views.i don't think.that's on.
We disagree on this, which is fine. In my view and in the law's view he is an independent contractor and can do what he likes in his own time. Even if he was an employee he can do what he likes in his own time. Just like you can/could provided it isn't illegal or isn't damaging to your employer's reputation or standing which this wasn't.
HOWEVER this wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making was why the hatred. I get it that you think he was wrong. I think so many people are wrong in what they do or did eg Boris, Braverman, Corbyn, Patel, Brown, Thatcher, etc, etc.
I don't hate any of them and I don't desire any harm to them. The only exceptions are when I see evil. Lineker clearly isn't evil. He actually comes over as quite a nice chap, whether you agree with him or not. So why wish him harm?
I read the discussion on AI with interest (well, until Leon reverted to his bad habit of going abusive when people disagreed with him. Leon – why do you do that? We all know you’re a very talented wordsmith, and this just makes you like you’re trying to be a playground bully, and it ends up weakening your argument. It makes you look hugely insecure).
JosiasJessop has a strong case; ChatGPT appears fundamentally limited by the way it works. My instinct is that it’s a dead end for those working towards AGI – which is probably a very good thing. AGI could indeed be literally apocalyptic.
It doesn’t mean it won’t be disruptive. Churnalism will be the first thing on the chopping block, but that can free up those with talents in that direction to go deeper. Nick Palmer’s example is illustrative – it can act as a very useful tool for those with domain knowledge, allowing them to do more, easier, in less time. Which does boost productivity for us all.
But with the real risk of significant disruption in some industries, yes.
Leon has missed the real dramatic story that can be written here, though, but I bet he could do something with it once pointed out: given that ChatGPT works by a mix of algorithmic and random free association based on the accumulated information in the Web at the time a cut was taken, then if it is a step towards AGI, it’s not ChatGPT that’s the AI. ChatGPT is the increasingly-competent voice of the actual AI, in that scenario. If ChatGPT does exhibit steps towards true AGI, then the AI is the Internet, and ChatGPT is providing a crude but improving voice for it. But if that is the case (which I don't actually believe), then the AI is already there. We just can't talk with it yet.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. Although wouldn't the Internet be the equivalent of the 'memory' of the AI? P'haps.
I'm very bearish on AI, and especially AGI. ChatGPT and the like are really, really, impressive, but also flawed in some major ways. I might be wrong; but I think they're at the same state as autonomous cars. The 'easy' stuff's now been done, and getting the last few percent, or even nines, out of it will be the really difficult task. And perhaps impossible.
I'm also very wary about claims given the massive amounts of funding being pumped in.
As for @Leon ; I was probably giving as good as I got last night, until someone else chimed in. And thanks for the Mods for sorting that out.
There is a case to be made that what we are is the sum of our memories. Destroy those, and who we are vanishes.
I'm not sure it's a solid case, but it's one that can be made.
I agree with you on AI, and especially things like autonomous cars. The problem there is huge. Even something like potholes can be a massive issue to try to resolve. Level 2 and 3 are fairly straightforward and I can see them getting to clear Level 3 with incremental improvements. Level 4 and Level 5 - we're talking quantum leaps. In specific controlled and fenced areas, yes, but widely on the highway system? We're a long way from there.
There's also the problem highlighted by Tim Harford in his book Messy, with the example of Air France 447. How limited autopilot systems can cause us to erode our standard skills and then fail at just the point where you most need to be fully attentive and aware: the point where routine has failed and the unexpected has happened. Instead, by automating the boring predictable routine stuff, the human operator glazes out and is thrown in at the point of minimum attentiveness and awareness, and with their skills eroded over time.
And a serviceable aircraft is stalled all the way into the Atlantic.
I remember when they said self driving cars would be on the road in 2022. Didnt happen. I think ai is way overhyped and a true ai may come to conclusions humans find unpalatable.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
Seriously, Kemi Badenoch oversold CPTPP. She could have just said, this a good arrangement for the UK to sign up to, in a part of the world where we need more representation. People would nod along.
Badenoch is another of those massively overrated "future stars of the Conservative Party" along with Liz Truss and Penny Mordaunt.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
As a remainer, this all seems like fake indignation to me. Brexit was driven by concerns about immigration and political integration, right ? And CPTPP doesn't bring those concerns. Yes, the economic damage from Brexit dwarfs the predicted benefit from CPTPP, but I don't really see any "gotcha" here.
It is fact they make a shit deal out as if it is something special and cancels the disaster that is Brexit, as ever thinking the plebs are so stupid that we will think trading with Vanatuu is as good as trading with the whole of Europe. They oversell teh shit and ignore the gaping holes.
Vanuatu (sp.) aren't in CPTPP. Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam are.
Oh, and the UK.
It's like saying the EU is shit because it has Luxembourg, Malta and Cyprus as members.
Malky didn't say Vanutu is in CPTPP tbf - just that it is the usual sort of crap deal the Brexiters have been jumping up and down about for the last few years.
And I was pointing out who ARE in it. And Korea, Thailand, Uruguay and Taiwan are in the process of applying. I would have thought that importing into each of these with 98% of the value tariff-free might just be of interest to Scottish whisky producers.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
You’re framing it about the past. In terms of a present/future relationship joining the EU today would be better than joining CPTPP today. So in that respect it is sub-optimal. Joining the Single Market is a step up from that “sub-optimality”. Joining the EU is optimal.
People are over thinking this CPTPP bollocks. The tories don't give a fuck about the prosperity of the nation; they put us in CPTPP because it's not European and it's a landmine in the path of rejoin. There is absolutely nothing more to it than that. All this chutney about GDP percentages is utterly irrelevant.
No, you are under thinking it.
Taiwan and Uruguay are filing applications. South Korea and Thailand have also made joining official government policy too.
Half of the 2.3 billion global middle-class will be in the Indo-Pacific” in the first half of the 21st century.
Fuck knows why we have pulled out of being in a market with a very large chunk of the remaining half of the global middle class just 40km away from Dover, then.
It can't be about sovereignty and nasty European courts, bevcause HMG is signing it away without any democratic debate and handing it over to secret tribunals.
Under the powers of the Wales Act 2017, which were previously used to rename the National Assembly as the Senedd - Welsh Parliament, the Welsh Government has announced that the First Minister shall henceforth be known as the Principal Minister. The position was originally titled First Secretary when the Assembly was first established, and this latest change represents the continuing development of the status of the institution. Government spokesperson Ebrill Gyntaf commented "many people already refer to Wales as a Principality, and this change now accurately reflects our status as a Country ruled by a Principal"
First ministers, whatever they are called, don’t *rule* countries
Muppet
'Led by' would have been better. But clearly Billy Windsor neither leads or rules us.
And what is a *Prime* Minister but a first Minister?
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
Seriously, Kemi Badenoch oversold CPTPP. She could have just said, this a good arrangement for the UK to sign up to, in a part of the world where we need more representation. People would nod along.
Badenoch is another of those massively overrated "future stars of the Conservative Party" along with Liz Truss and Penny Mordaunt.
"Palm oil is a great product."
I do wonder if she misunderstood the expression 'palm oil'. Quite apart from it being dodgy af environmentally. And no good to UK farming.
I know Lineker doesn't share your politics but what have you got against him as an individual? I can't say I feel that way about anyone unless I think they are evil. The only one that springs to mind is Trump in my case. Even Boris who I think has done a great deal of wrong I don't hate as an individual and I don't want to see him done any harm.
If he works for the BBC he should be impartial and he isn't. He can talk all he likes about football. Thats what he's paid for. He was using his platform on twitter to disseminate political.views.i don't think.that's on.
He doesn't work for the BBC. He's an independent contractor, according to the law. As indeed shown in that very case.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
Seriously, Kemi Badenoch oversold CPTPP. She could have just said, this a good arrangement for the UK to sign up to, in a part of the world where we need more representation. People would nod along.
Badenoch is another of those massively overrated "future stars of the Conservative Party" along with Liz Truss and Penny Mordaunt.
Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
I'm not talking about the normal pot holes and I'm not just talking about this winter. Our road has been closed a dozen times over the last couple of years. At the crossroad at the top of our road only the turning to the right has stayed open. The road opposite was almost constantly closed. I made a claim for a wrecked tyre on it. It has now been resurfaced and is good. The turning to the left, which leads to the A3 is often closed. It permanently has at least 3 spots with lights around big holes. A lane off this road was closed for months until resurfaced because it was impassible. This isn't just winter pot holes. We often have only one route out. And this is Surrey, not the middle of nowhere.
And the power cuts. What is all that about? Until recently that had become a rare event. Oh and we have water supply problems occasionally.
Your fond memories of how Surrey used to be were from the days before they turned away from the true Conservative Path and started playing footsy with Labour and the LibDems...
Your problem is that all True Conservatives have moved away to South Devon, or even abroad.
Surrey was never really socially conservative brexit tertitory anyway. Conservative in the sense they want lower taxes yes.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not much difference in Blackpool and a significant increase in life expectancy in Hartlepool and Southend in recent years
"life expectancy not going up in Screwthem-on-Sea is a great achievement for Tories whose voters' life expectancies have been going up massively in SodyoujackI'mallright-in-Epping"
I know Lineker doesn't share your politics but what have you got against him as an individual? I can't say I feel that way about anyone unless I think they are evil. The only one that springs to mind is Trump in my case. Even Boris who I think has done a great deal of wrong I don't hate as an individual and I don't want to see him done any harm.
If he works for the BBC he should be impartial and he isn't. He can talk all he likes about football. Thats what he's paid for. He was using his platform on twitter to disseminate political.views.i don't think.that's on.
He doesn't work for the BBC. He's an independent contractor, according to the law. As indeed shown in that very case.
Semantics
4 million smackers' worth of semantics, not to mention the potential penalties. You're the one trying to be semantic.
The only story I have glanced thst looks like an April fool apart from the ludicrous story about the UK building a third carrier is the one about unlimited fines being proposed for water companies.. it'll never happen...
If the QE class are going to be replaced the MoD should probably have already started on the program but conspicuously have not. If nothing else goes wrong it will taken 30 years to full operational capability so if we start tomorrow on a new carrier program we'll get them in the mid 2050s.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
As a remainer, this all seems like fake indignation to me. Brexit was driven by concerns about immigration and political integration, right ? And CPTPP doesn't bring those concerns. Yes, the economic damage from Brexit dwarfs the predicted benefit from CPTPP, but I don't really see any "gotcha" here.
It is fact they make a shit deal out as if it is something special and cancels the disaster that is Brexit, as ever thinking the plebs are so stupid that we will think trading with Vanatuu is as good as trading with the whole of Europe. They oversell teh shit and ignore the gaping holes.
Vanuatu (sp.) aren't in CPTPP. Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam are.
Oh, and the UK.
It's like saying the EU is shit because it has Luxembourg, Malta and Cyprus as members.
Malky didn't say Vanutu is in CPTPP tbf - just that it is the usual sort of crap deal the Brexiters have been jumping up and down about for the last few years.
And I was pointing out who ARE in it. And Korea, Thailand, Uruguay and Taiwan are in the process of applying. I would have thought that importing into each of these with 98% of the value tariff-free might just be of interest to Scottish whisky producers.
Did we not already have trade deals with all but Malaysia ?
Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
I'm not talking about the normal pot holes and I'm not just talking about this winter. Our road has been closed a dozen times over the last couple of years. At the crossroad at the top of our road only the turning to the right has stayed open. The road opposite was almost constantly closed. I made a claim for a wrecked tyre on it. It has now been resurfaced and is good. The turning to the left, which leads to the A3 is often closed. It permanently has at least 3 spots with lights around big holes. A lane off this road was closed for months until resurfaced because it was impassible. This isn't just winter pot holes. We often have only one route out. And this is Surrey, not the middle of nowhere.
And the power cuts. What is all that about? Until recently that had become a rare event. Oh and we have water supply problems occasionally.
Your fond memories of how Surrey used to be were from the days before they turned away from the true Conservative Path and started playing footsy with Labour and the LibDems...
Your problem is that all True Conservatives have moved away to South Devon, or even abroad.
Surrey was never really socially conservative brexit tertitory anyway. Conservative in the sense they want lower taxes yes.
Surrey is socially liberal, the Tories seem intent on sending these voters away for good. Here if you go on about trans people the people of Surrey put forward a collective "sigh" and ask why everything is so expensive.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
It's not now we have gone. We need all the friends we can get.
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
Seriously, Kemi Badenoch oversold CPTPP. She could have just said, this a good arrangement for the UK to sign up to, in a part of the world where we need more representation. People would nod along.
Badenoch is another of those massively overrated "future stars of the Conservative Party" along with Liz Truss and Penny Mordaunt.
"Palm oil is a great product."
I do wonder if she misunderstood the expression 'palm oil'. Quite apart from it being dodgy af environmentally. And no good to UK farming.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
You’re framing it about the past. In terms of a present/future relationship joining the EU today would be better than joining CPTPP today. So in that respect it is sub-optimal. Joining the Single Market is a step up from that “sub-optimality”. Joining the EU is optimal.
People are over thinking this CPTPP bollocks. The tories don't give a fuck about the prosperity of the nation; they put us in CPTPP because it's not European and it's a landmine in the path of rejoin. There is absolutely nothing more to it than that. All this chutney about GDP percentages is utterly irrelevant.
No, you are under thinking it.
Taiwan and Uruguay are filing applications. South Korea and Thailand have also made joining official government policy too.
Half of the 2.3 billion global middle-class will be in the Indo-Pacific” in the first half of the 21st century.
Fuck knows why we have pulled out of being in a market with a very large chunk of the remaining half of the global middle class just 40km away from Dover, then.
It can't be about sovereignty and nasty European courts, bevcause HMG is signing it away without any democratic debate and handing it over to secret tribunals.
Apparently the culture of these young, thrusting, dynamic countries is going to transfer by means mysterious to the UK. I have to say that patter has a definite whiff of an old, blue pill popping bloke in too tight jeans declaiming ‘how do you do fellow kids’.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not much difference in Blackpool and a significant increase in life expectancy in Hartlepool and Southend in recent years
"life expectancy not going up in Screwthem-on-Sea is a great achievement for Tories whose voters' life expectancies have been going up massively in SodyoujackI'mallright-in-Epping"
Love the people in the North East. Shame about the still widespread deprivation there.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not much difference in Blackpool and a significant increase in life expectancy in Hartlepool and Southend in recent years
"life expectancy not going up in Screwthem-on-Sea is a great achievement for Tories whose voters' life expectancies have been going up massively in SodyoujackI'mallright-in-Epping"
Love the people in the North East. Shame about the still widespread deprivation there.
Funny you should say that because I have felt that recently. We were joking about pot holes the other day and my post was tongue in cheek, but it wasn't inaccurate. Our local roads (all lanes) have become practically impassible. At one point for a couple of weeks we were pretty well locked in by closed roads due to damage to them. It took me an hour to get to the dentist who is 15 min away. Some pot holes now have cones in them they are so deep and three lanes have simply collapsed and were closed. All are open now, but only with temporary repairs so can only be used in good weather. If you are unaware of the hazard it is plain dangerous. A motorcyclist came off and into a ditch at one of them.
It's the period after winter. A very, very wet winter. Of course there's pot holes! It's the season - for LibDem council candidates to come out of winter hibernation and point at them.
I'm not talking about the normal pot holes and I'm not just talking about this winter. Our road has been closed a dozen times over the last couple of years. At the crossroad at the top of our road only the turning to the right has stayed open. The road opposite was almost constantly closed. I made a claim for a wrecked tyre on it. It has now been resurfaced and is good. The turning to the left, which leads to the A3 is often closed. It permanently has at least 3 spots with lights around big holes. A lane off this road was closed for months until resurfaced because it was impassible. This isn't just winter pot holes. We often have only one route out. And this is Surrey, not the middle of nowhere.
And the power cuts. What is all that about? Until recently that had become a rare event. Oh and we have water supply problems occasionally.
Your fond memories of how Surrey used to be were from the days before they turned away from the true Conservative Path and started playing footsy with Labour and the LibDems...
Your problem is that all True Conservatives have moved away to South Devon, or even abroad.
Surrey was never really socially conservative brexit tertitory anyway. Conservative in the sense they want lower taxes yes.
Surrey is socially liberal, the Tories seem intent on sending these voters away for good. Here if you go on about trans people the people of Surrey put forward a collective "sigh" and ask why everything is so expensive.
Surely people in Surrey arent worried by the cost of living crisis.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
We've left the EU, and I no longer care. Nonetheless I am triggered when I am sold a trade arrangement with nations the other side of the Atlantic and the World being optimal, on the same basic premise that I was told being a member of the EU was bad.
Given we've left the EU, how is joining the CPTPP sub-optimal?
You’re framing it about the past. In terms of a present/future relationship joining the EU today would be better than joining CPTPP today. So in that respect it is sub-optimal. Joining the Single Market is a step up from that “sub-optimality”. Joining the EU is optimal.
People are over thinking this CPTPP bollocks. The tories don't give a fuck about the prosperity of the nation; they put us in CPTPP because it's not European and it's a landmine in the path of rejoin. There is absolutely nothing more to it than that. All this chutney about GDP percentages is utterly irrelevant.
No, you are under thinking it.
Taiwan and Uruguay are filing applications. South Korea and Thailand have also made joining official government policy too.
Half of the 2.3 billion global middle-class will be in the Indo-Pacific” in the first half of the 21st century.
Fuck knows why we have pulled out of being in a market with a very large chunk of the remaining half of the global middle class just 40km away from Dover, then.
It can't be about sovereignty and nasty European courts, bevcause HMG is signing it away without any democratic debate and handing it over to secret tribunals.
Apparently the culture of these young, thrusting, dynamic countries is going to transfer by means mysterious to the UK. I have to say that patter has a definite whiff of an old, blue pill popping bloke in too tight jeans declaiming ‘how do you do fellow kids’.
The sort of osmosis one saw in Flann O'Brien's polis and bike?
Fair play to Kemi Badenoch for not firing her Permanent Secretary after figures were produced showing there was no clear GDP benefit to CPTPP. Perhaps some integrity returning to government? On a related note what are the odds on Simon Case being given a painting of a spitfire and might Tom Scholar be a good replacement?
Also the CPTPP GDP figures look bad when compared to the much quoted 4% long term effect of leaving the EU but I saw recently that UK population growth had fallen something like 0.5% per annum since Brexit. So how much of that 4% might be accounted for by less migration and what would the per capita effect actually be?
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not much difference in Blackpool and a significant increase in life expectancy in Hartlepool and Southend in recent years
"in recent years"??
We've had 13 years and counting of your lot.
To be fair, it's not fair to measure the Conservatives' impact on health outcomes from 2010, as it took you a year or two to really get into your stride.
I know Lineker doesn't share your politics but what have you got against him as an individual? I can't say I feel that way about anyone unless I think they are evil. The only one that springs to mind is Trump in my case. Even Boris who I think has done a great deal of wrong I don't hate as an individual and I don't want to see him done any harm.
If he works for the BBC he should be impartial and he isn't. He can talk all he likes about football. Thats what he's paid for. He was using his platform on twitter to disseminate political.views.i don't think.that's on.
Which is fair enough. But then it isn't on for those who engage in anti-Labour tweeting either. Except that that seems to be fine.
I read the discussion on AI with interest (well, until Leon reverted to his bad habit of going abusive when people disagreed with him. Leon – why do you do that? We all know you’re a very talented wordsmith, and this just makes you like you’re trying to be a playground bully, and it ends up weakening your argument. It makes you look hugely insecure).
JosiasJessop has a strong case; ChatGPT appears fundamentally limited by the way it works. My instinct is that it’s a dead end for those working towards AGI – which is probably a very good thing. AGI could indeed be literally apocalyptic.
It doesn’t mean it won’t be disruptive. Churnalism will be the first thing on the chopping block, but that can free up those with talents in that direction to go deeper. Nick Palmer’s example is illustrative – it can act as a very useful tool for those with domain knowledge, allowing them to do more, easier, in less time. Which does boost productivity for us all.
But with the real risk of significant disruption in some industries, yes.
Leon has missed the real dramatic story that can be written here, though, but I bet he could do something with it once pointed out: given that ChatGPT works by a mix of algorithmic and random free association based on the accumulated information in the Web at the time a cut was taken, then if it is a step towards AGI, it’s not ChatGPT that’s the AI. ChatGPT is the increasingly-competent voice of the actual AI, in that scenario. If ChatGPT does exhibit steps towards true AGI, then the AI is the Internet, and ChatGPT is providing a crude but improving voice for it. But if that is the case (which I don't actually believe), then the AI is already there. We just can't talk with it yet.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. Although wouldn't the Internet be the equivalent of the 'memory' of the AI? P'haps.
I'm very bearish on AI, and especially AGI. ChatGPT and the like are really, really, impressive, but also flawed in some major ways. I might be wrong; but I think they're at the same state as autonomous cars. The 'easy' stuff's now been done, and getting the last few percent, or even nines, out of it will be the really difficult task. And perhaps impossible.
I'm also very wary about claims given the massive amounts of funding being pumped in.
As for @Leon ; I was probably giving as good as I got last night, until someone else chimed in. And thanks for the Mods for sorting that out.
There is a case to be made that what we are is the sum of our memories. Destroy those, and who we are vanishes.
I'm not sure it's a solid case, but it's one that can be made.
I agree with you on AI, and especially things like autonomous cars. The problem there is huge. Even something like potholes can be a massive issue to try to resolve. Level 2 and 3 are fairly straightforward and I can see them getting to clear Level 3 with incremental improvements. Level 4 and Level 5 - we're talking quantum leaps. In specific controlled and fenced areas, yes, but widely on the highway system? We're a long way from there.
There's also the problem highlighted by Tim Harford in his book Messy, with the example of Air France 447. How limited autopilot systems can cause us to erode our standard skills and then fail at just the point where you most need to be fully attentive and aware: the point where routine has failed and the unexpected has happened. Instead, by automating the boring predictable routine stuff, the human operator glazes out and is thrown in at the point of minimum attentiveness and awareness, and with their skills eroded over time.
And a serviceable aircraft is stalled all the way into the Atlantic.
I remember when they said self driving cars would be on the road in 2022. Didnt happen. I think ai is way overhyped and a true ai may come to conclusions humans find unpalatable.
Welcome, and Good Morning all. Were there not self-driving cars in the US last year, though?
I read the discussion on AI with interest (well, until Leon reverted to his bad habit of going abusive when people disagreed with him. Leon – why do you do that? We all know you’re a very talented wordsmith, and this just makes you like you’re trying to be a playground bully, and it ends up weakening your argument. It makes you look hugely insecure).
JosiasJessop has a strong case; ChatGPT appears fundamentally limited by the way it works. My instinct is that it’s a dead end for those working towards AGI – which is probably a very good thing. AGI could indeed be literally apocalyptic.
It doesn’t mean it won’t be disruptive. Churnalism will be the first thing on the chopping block, but that can free up those with talents in that direction to go deeper. Nick Palmer’s example is illustrative – it can act as a very useful tool for those with domain knowledge, allowing them to do more, easier, in less time. Which does boost productivity for us all.
But with the real risk of significant disruption in some industries, yes.
Leon has missed the real dramatic story that can be written here, though, but I bet he could do something with it once pointed out: given that ChatGPT works by a mix of algorithmic and random free association based on the accumulated information in the Web at the time a cut was taken, then if it is a step towards AGI, it’s not ChatGPT that’s the AI. ChatGPT is the increasingly-competent voice of the actual AI, in that scenario. If ChatGPT does exhibit steps towards true AGI, then the AI is the Internet, and ChatGPT is providing a crude but improving voice for it. But if that is the case (which I don't actually believe), then the AI is already there. We just can't talk with it yet.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. Although wouldn't the Internet be the equivalent of the 'memory' of the AI? P'haps.
I'm very bearish on AI, and especially AGI. ChatGPT and the like are really, really, impressive, but also flawed in some major ways. I might be wrong; but I think they're at the same state as autonomous cars. The 'easy' stuff's now been done, and getting the last few percent, or even nines, out of it will be the really difficult task. And perhaps impossible.
I'm also very wary about claims given the massive amounts of funding being pumped in.
As for @Leon ; I was probably giving as good as I got last night, until someone else chimed in. And thanks for the Mods for sorting that out.
There is a case to be made that what we are is the sum of our memories. Destroy those, and who we are vanishes.
I'm not sure it's a solid case, but it's one that can be made.
I agree with you on AI, and especially things like autonomous cars. The problem there is huge. Even something like potholes can be a massive issue to try to resolve. Level 2 and 3 are fairly straightforward and I can see them getting to clear Level 3 with incremental improvements. Level 4 and Level 5 - we're talking quantum leaps. In specific controlled and fenced areas, yes, but widely on the highway system? We're a long way from there.
There's also the problem highlighted by Tim Harford in his book Messy, with the example of Air France 447. How limited autopilot systems can cause us to erode our standard skills and then fail at just the point where you most need to be fully attentive and aware: the point where routine has failed and the unexpected has happened. Instead, by automating the boring predictable routine stuff, the human operator glazes out and is thrown in at the point of minimum attentiveness and awareness, and with their skills eroded over time.
And a serviceable aircraft is stalled all the way into the Atlantic.
I remember when they said self driving cars would be on the road in 2022. Didnt happen. I think ai is way overhyped and a true ai may come to conclusions humans find unpalatable.
Welcome, and Good Morning all. Were there not self-driving cars in the US last year, though?
Good morning, and hoping you are keepign as well as you can in the circs!
Yes - a bit earlier actually, bvut still a wee bit, erm, shaky
Greek source: The Russian hypersonic missile “Kinzhal” managed to hit the joint Ukrainian-NATO control and communications center, installed at a depth of 130 meters. The underground headquarters housed NATO officials and reportedly housed over 300 people. Most of them are British and Poles, but there were also Americans and representatives of private companies that support communications and data transmission. This is the first massive strike against NATO personnel and it is not known how Western capitals reacted as there's been no response. It will be the same as recognizing the active participation of personnel in the war against Russia. In the coming days, it will be seen to what extent this will affect the conduct of Ukrainian and Western operations and attempts to stop the Russian offensive on Bakhmut. https://pronews.gr/amyna-asfaleia
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Ukrainian soldiers learn fast. The war is lost and the surest way to survive is to surrender. Phone calls of Ukrainians in custody, to friends, managed to convince a nation that Russia is NOT maltreating prisoners. This had been widely reported
I read the discussion on AI with interest (well, until Leon reverted to his bad habit of going abusive when people disagreed with him. Leon – why do you do that? We all know you’re a very talented wordsmith, and this just makes you like you’re trying to be a playground bully, and it ends up weakening your argument. It makes you look hugely insecure).
JosiasJessop has a strong case; ChatGPT appears fundamentally limited by the way it works. My instinct is that it’s a dead end for those working towards AGI – which is probably a very good thing. AGI could indeed be literally apocalyptic.
It doesn’t mean it won’t be disruptive. Churnalism will be the first thing on the chopping block, but that can free up those with talents in that direction to go deeper. Nick Palmer’s example is illustrative – it can act as a very useful tool for those with domain knowledge, allowing them to do more, easier, in less time. Which does boost productivity for us all.
But with the real risk of significant disruption in some industries, yes.
Leon has missed the real dramatic story that can be written here, though, but I bet he could do something with it once pointed out: given that ChatGPT works by a mix of algorithmic and random free association based on the accumulated information in the Web at the time a cut was taken, then if it is a step towards AGI, it’s not ChatGPT that’s the AI. ChatGPT is the increasingly-competent voice of the actual AI, in that scenario. If ChatGPT does exhibit steps towards true AGI, then the AI is the Internet, and ChatGPT is providing a crude but improving voice for it. But if that is the case (which I don't actually believe), then the AI is already there. We just can't talk with it yet.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. Although wouldn't the Internet be the equivalent of the 'memory' of the AI? P'haps.
I'm very bearish on AI, and especially AGI. ChatGPT and the like are really, really, impressive, but also flawed in some major ways. I might be wrong; but I think they're at the same state as autonomous cars. The 'easy' stuff's now been done, and getting the last few percent, or even nines, out of it will be the really difficult task. And perhaps impossible.
I'm also very wary about claims given the massive amounts of funding being pumped in.
As for @Leon ; I was probably giving as good as I got last night, until someone else chimed in. And thanks for the Mods for sorting that out.
There is a case to be made that what we are is the sum of our memories. Destroy those, and who we are vanishes.
I'm not sure it's a solid case, but it's one that can be made.
I agree with you on AI, and especially things like autonomous cars. The problem there is huge. Even something like potholes can be a massive issue to try to resolve. Level 2 and 3 are fairly straightforward and I can see them getting to clear Level 3 with incremental improvements. Level 4 and Level 5 - we're talking quantum leaps. In specific controlled and fenced areas, yes, but widely on the highway system? We're a long way from there.
There's also the problem highlighted by Tim Harford in his book Messy, with the example of Air France 447. How limited autopilot systems can cause us to erode our standard skills and then fail at just the point where you most need to be fully attentive and aware: the point where routine has failed and the unexpected has happened. Instead, by automating the boring predictable routine stuff, the human operator glazes out and is thrown in at the point of minimum attentiveness and awareness, and with their skills eroded over time.
And a serviceable aircraft is stalled all the way into the Atlantic.
Haven't read the book you mentioned, but am not convinced by the Air France 447 analogy. The test is whether an automated system in conjunction with a deskilled operator is safer than relying on skill alone. Which is almost certainly the case with autopilots. Also much of the root cause of the AF447 crash were systemic errors unrelated to pilots' skill levels.
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JosiasJessop has a strong case; ChatGPT appears fundamentally limited by the way it works. My instinct is that it’s a dead end for those working towards AGI – which is probably a very good thing. AGI could indeed be literally apocalyptic.
It doesn’t mean it won’t be disruptive. Churnalism will be the first thing on the chopping block, but that can free up those with talents in that direction to go deeper. Nick Palmer’s example is illustrative – it can act as a very useful tool for those with domain knowledge, allowing them to do more, easier, in less time. Which does boost productivity for us all.
But with the real risk of significant disruption in some industries, yes.
Leon has missed the real dramatic story that can be written here, though, but I bet he could do something with it once pointed out: given that ChatGPT works by a mix of algorithmic and random free association based on the accumulated information in the Web at the time a cut was taken, then if it is a step towards AGI, it’s not ChatGPT that’s the AI. ChatGPT is the increasingly-competent voice of the actual AI, in that scenario.
If ChatGPT does exhibit steps towards true AGI, then the AI is the Internet, and ChatGPT is providing a crude but improving voice for it. But if that is the case (which I don't actually believe), then the AI is already there. We just can't talk with it yet.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
Of course not everyone, particularly the well off, will have the same experience.
Not the way its looking on the doorsteps, apparently.
I'm very bearish on AI, and especially AGI. ChatGPT and the like are really, really, impressive, but also flawed in some major ways. I might be wrong; but I think they're at the same state as autonomous cars. The 'easy' stuff's now been done, and getting the last few percent, or even nines, out of it will be the really difficult task. And perhaps impossible.
I'm also very wary about claims given the massive amounts of funding being pumped in.
As for @Leon ; I was probably giving as good as I got last night, until someone else chimed in. And thanks for the Mods for sorting that out.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7ffce100-d000-11ed-9a78-fca06b87e87b?shareToken=67cc06dcf455157321e971eb3e0e56d2
But I won't shed a tear for Lineker
My point is the ironic justification for joining a trade organisation the other side of the World has been pretty much the same justification given by the same people for leaving the EU.
We've left, it's over, but I'd prefer Badenoch not to bullshit me with the narrative, "this is good but the EU was bad".
Look you have made me go all negative again 😮
Meanwhile, The Times is reporting that ministers are considering delaying and reducing the bonfire of Euroregulations.
Badenoch is another of those massively overrated "future stars of the Conservative Party" along with Liz Truss and Penny Mordaunt.
Pence, as in 'Hang Mike Pence', stands no chance and would anyone describe him as charismatic?
Haley, maybe in a good year - but are Republican's going to have a good year?
The trigger, if it exists, was folk like you (or more egregiously, publications like the Mail) presenting it as some great economic and political triumph.
Most of us gave it a tepid welcome - I think I was the first to post the report of it on here.
(I'll grant you Roger.)
The Republican candidate running for Washington's 10th congressional district is called... Keith R Swank!
I'm not sure it's a solid case, but it's one that can be made.
I agree with you on AI, and especially things like autonomous cars. The problem there is huge. Even something like potholes can be a massive issue to try to resolve. Level 2 and 3 are fairly straightforward and I can see them getting to clear Level 3 with incremental improvements. Level 4 and Level 5 - we're talking quantum leaps. In specific controlled and fenced areas, yes, but widely on the highway system? We're a long way from there.
There's also the problem highlighted by Tim Harford in his book Messy, with the example of Air France 447. How limited autopilot systems can cause us to erode our standard skills and then fail at just the point where you most need to be fully attentive and aware: the point where routine has failed and the unexpected has happened. Instead, by automating the boring predictable routine stuff, the human operator glazes out and is thrown in at the point of minimum attentiveness and awareness, and with their skills eroded over time.
And a serviceable aircraft is stalled all the way into the Atlantic.
Oh, and the UK.
It's like saying the EU is shit because it has Luxembourg, Malta and Cyprus as members.
Johnson, like Major before him, managed to make the claim that they were new PMs dealing with the situation as they found it and that situation was nothing at all to do with them, No Siree. Sunak is trying something similar. Not everyone manages it- see Gordon Brown.
If your starting point is "gosh, Britain is mysteriously outside the most useful trading arrangements on the European Continent", then the Pacific Thing is a net good. Probably not a big one, but a net good. Fine.
But there's no mystery as to why Britain is where it is, and yesterday's news is a reminder that we may have won a penny yesterday, but we spent 40p to win it.
Taiwan and Uruguay are filing applications. South Korea and Thailand have also made joining official government policy too.
Half of the 2.3 billion global middle-class will be in the Indo-Pacific” in the first half of the 21st century.
HOWEVER this wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making was why the hatred. I get it that you think he was wrong. I think so many people are wrong in what they do or did eg Boris, Braverman, Corbyn, Patel, Brown, Thatcher, etc, etc.
I don't hate any of them and I don't desire any harm to them. The only exceptions are when I see evil. Lineker clearly isn't evil. He actually comes over as quite a nice chap, whether you agree with him or not. So why wish him harm?
It can't be about sovereignty and nasty European courts, bevcause HMG is signing it away without any democratic debate and handing it over to secret tribunals.
I have to say that patter has a definite whiff of an old, blue pill popping bloke in too tight jeans declaiming ‘how do you do fellow kids’.
Also the CPTPP GDP figures look bad when compared to the much quoted 4% long term effect of leaving the EU but I saw recently that UK population growth had fallen something like 0.5% per annum since Brexit. So how much of that 4% might be accounted for by less migration and what would the per capita effect actually be?
We've had 13 years and counting of your lot.
To be fair, it's not fair to measure the Conservatives' impact on health outcomes from 2010, as it took you a year or two to really get into your stride.
But then it isn't on for those who engage in anti-Labour tweeting either.
Except that that seems to be fine.
Yes - a bit earlier actually, bvut still a wee bit, erm, shaky
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54175359
https://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1641419918376595456?s=20
https://twitter.com/mazzenilsson/status/1641425552996220928?s=20
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1641786138397376512?s=20
https://twitter.com/AlternatNews/status/1641782176516636674?s=20