"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
So they'll create AI life which can feel pain and suffering. That won't go badly.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Seems like the US trends are different from the UK ones.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
At Primary School some people in my class were caught by the teacher looking at a Page 3 girl. The teacher put it up on the board and made the whole class have a discussion about it. I don't really recall what the discussion entailed other than a lot of embarrassed boys awkwardly trying not to look at anyone or say anything.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
That's been a Libertarian vs Puritannical Feminist debate as long as I can remember following politics.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
it's important but also academic in that we cannot stop these images being transmitted at present. Almost certainly the caches of this material (and they are usually in their thousands) already contain a mixture real and artificial images. At the moment we don't differentiate and the law is clear that the fact they are artificial images not real is no defence at all. You should bear this mind when carrying out any scientific research you might need to undertake.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
Not at all. Your health is in your own hands, nobody elses.
I am at a restaurant that does not cater for vegetarians, unless you just pick the salad.
It is not Woke.
Just for you CR
What weird view of 'woke' CR has. Does he think that no one with progressive views would ever go to Goucho's or Hawksmoor?
Therein lies the problem. For the right, 'woke' seems to be defined as everything left of centre.
I think you're missing the point. Going to Goucho's or Hawksmoor is apolitical. Not going to Goucho's or Hawksmoor is also apolitical. Taking a view that Goucho's or Hawksmoor are Bad Things is woke.
As an aside, Manchester City Council is currently festooning its suburban streets with banners extolling its citizens "Let's eat less meat and dairy." I'd say that's pretty woke. Butt out you officious fuckers.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
If the AI porn is so convincing they think it’s real doesn’t that solve some of the problems?
And as @DavidL says, soon it will be immersive. Virtual reality
I accept there is possibly a hardcore of psychotic sadists who might never be gratified - but even they could be fed hallucinations that seem entirely real
From what I've read about really extreme pornography, the thrill tends to wear off after a while. To get the same thrill, one has to find something more extreme.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
I have many fears about AI. Thanks for adding another one!
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
It is quite heavily related to SE deprivation. For the lowest decile it is barely over 50 years. Sobering. Male 69 years and Female 66.4 years for the top decile.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
Isn't this pretty much what Aldous Huxley predicted in Brave New World?
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
I have many fears about AI. Thanks for adding another one!
Allied Mastercomputer, in I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, having destroyed most of humanity in nuclear conflict, gets off on torturing the survivors.
Massive queues and delays of up to 12 hours or more at Dover, as we move into the spring holiday season.
Stupid arseholes. Why don't they get on a ferry to Nha Trang? That's the future.
Amusing how the Remainers get so triggered by the CPTPP, trying to paint is as a small group of Asian non-entities. They seem to miss the fact that it is becoming more global than that, with Mexico and Canada both spanning the Pacific and the Atlantic. Now it has its first European member.
Heaven forbid an Economic Community might supplant that which Europe turned its back on in favour of nation status and a fleg...
I'm with Dura Ace to the extent that people really shouldn't be getting the ferry to France, who seem to be making it their mission to punish us for Brexit. Other EU countries' border guards are, in my limited experience, rather more efficient. If I was getting a ferry to the continent I'd be going via Belgium or the Netherlands.
Are there car, rather than truck ferries to Ostend or the Hook of Holland these days? Even if there are, Dover- Calais is significantly cheaper.
I go North Shields to Zeebrugge but doubt people from south would travel that distance and then have overnight journey. Issue is concentrating it all in Dover which does not hav ethe space or facilities for having to have customs checks for the amount of traffic
No one could ever have guessed that Dover might be overwhelmed by customs checks, could they?
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
Not at all. Your health is in your own hands, nobody elses.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
If the AI porn is so convincing they think it’s real doesn’t that solve some of the problems?
And as @DavidL says, soon it will be immersive. Virtual reality
I accept there is possibly a hardcore of psychotic sadists who might never be gratified - but even they could be fed hallucinations that seem entirely real
From what I've read about really extreme pornography, the thrill tends to wear off after a while. To get the same thrill, one has to find something more extreme.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
Yes, probably. People like that just need locking up forever. But they are exceptionally rare….
However, what if AI could convince Jamieson he was genuinely doing all this, in reality. Completely fool him. AI might get that good. Be able to simulate reality entirely
Imagine if we could have convinced a young Hitler he was Fuhrer of Germany gassing millions of Jews, whereas in reality he was lying strapped in a bed in Linz, with his head in a metaverse helmet
The computer would be generating awful images, sounds, ideas, but we’d be sidestepping the actual Holocaust
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
At Primary School some people in my class were caught by the teacher looking at a Page 3 girl. The teacher put it up on the board and made the whole class have a discussion about it. I don't really recall what the discussion entailed other than a lot of embarrassed boys awkwardly trying not to look at anyone or say anything.
The angry arguments about Page 3 seem laughable, when you consider what is easily available online.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
Not at all. Your health is in your own hands, nobody elses.
Sadly not true. There are a lot of environmental economic and social factors that impact on anyones health, from air pollution to the prevalence of guns to poverty.
"No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;"
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
Isn't this pretty much what Aldous Huxley predicted in Brave New World?
And Wall-E (the porn was implicit in that one though).
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
If the AI porn is so convincing they think it’s real doesn’t that solve some of the problems?
And as @DavidL says, soon it will be immersive. Virtual reality
I accept there is possibly a hardcore of psychotic sadists who might never be gratified - but even they could be fed hallucinations that seem entirely real
From what I've read about really extreme pornography, the thrill tends to wear off after a while. To get the same thrill, one has to find something more extreme.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
Yes, probably. People like that just need locking up forever. But they are exceptionally rare….
However, what if AI could convince Jamieson he was genuinely doing all this, in reality. Completely fool him. AI might get that good. Be able to simulate reality entirely
Imagine if we could have convinced a young Hitler he was Fuhrer of Germany gassing millions of Jews, whereas in reality he was lying strapped in a bed in Linz, with his head in a metaverse helmet
The computer would be generating awful images, sounds, ideas, but we’d be sidestepping the actual Holocaust
That would only work if you caught the person in advance of their starting to enact their fantasies in real life.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
it's important but also academic in that we cannot stop these images being transmitted at present. Almost certainly the caches of this material (and they are usually in their thousands) already contain a mixture real and artificial images. At the moment we don't differentiate and the law is clear that the fact they are artificial images not real is no defence at all. You should bear this mind when carrying out any scientific research you might need to undertake.
I encountered this problem when researching the early form of Stable Diffusion. Unprompted and unbidden it would cough up the odd horrifying image that, in my inexpert view, might easily be illegal
I deleted of course. But it was unnerving. Soon there will be trillions of these images. Could be a lot of prosecutions
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
If the AI porn is so convincing they think it’s real doesn’t that solve some of the problems?
And as @DavidL says, soon it will be immersive. Virtual reality
I accept there is possibly a hardcore of psychotic sadists who might never be gratified - but even they could be fed hallucinations that seem entirely real
From what I've read about really extreme pornography, the thrill tends to wear off after a while. To get the same thrill, one has to find something more extreme.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
Yes, probably. People like that just need locking up forever. But they are exceptionally rare….
However, what if AI could convince Jamieson he was genuinely doing all this, in reality. Completely fool him. AI might get that good. Be able to simulate reality entirely
Imagine if we could have convinced a young Hitler he was Fuhrer of Germany gassing millions of Jews, whereas in reality he was lying strapped in a bed in Linz, with his head in a metaverse helmet
The computer would be generating awful images, sounds, ideas, but we’d be sidestepping the actual Holocaust
I suspect the opposite. It would just reinforce and energise his plans for real genocide.
Do you really think that those who immerse themselves in violent and degrading AI porn are going to be kind and considerate partners for the real women in their lives?
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
So they'll create AI life which can feel pain and suffering. That won't go badly.
Be careful how you treat daisies, and trees and things.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
Well it rather depends what did for them! Longevity is to some extent heritable - but if your grandfathers smoked 60 a day or had jobs as daredevils then I shouldn't infer too much gloom.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
If the AI porn is so convincing they think it’s real doesn’t that solve some of the problems?
And as @DavidL says, soon it will be immersive. Virtual reality
I accept there is possibly a hardcore of psychotic sadists who might never be gratified - but even they could be fed hallucinations that seem entirely real
From what I've read about really extreme pornography, the thrill tends to wear off after a while. To get the same thrill, one has to find something more extreme.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
Snopes says that's not exactly what happened
"What's True
By his own admission, Jameson witnessed the murder and mutilation of a girl in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo, in 1888. The incident took place after Jameson paid handkerchiefs to a man who had said "Give me a bit of cloth and see."
What's False
Jameson insisted he did not set out with the intention of causing or witnessing any murder or act of cannibalism, and described what he ultimately witnessed as "the most horribly sickening sight I am ever likely to see in my life." "
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
That's been a Libertarian vs Puritannical Feminist debate as long as I can remember following politics.
Feminism is more than one sort of thing. General feminism has been and continues to be fairly successful, in our part of the world. That is the view that in every way women are equal. That was not true when I was young. This seems to me an unalloyed good thing.
Within that there are as many feminisms as you like, and it should create a constant and raucous row.
For example the fact of feminism would tell you nothing about how feminists should view porn, abortion or any general moral issue.
Just like wanting Scottish independence would not mean you like anything the SNP actually does to run Scotland.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
If the AI porn is so convincing they think it’s real doesn’t that solve some of the problems?
And as @DavidL says, soon it will be immersive. Virtual reality
I accept there is possibly a hardcore of psychotic sadists who might never be gratified - but even they could be fed hallucinations that seem entirely real
From what I've read about really extreme pornography, the thrill tends to wear off after a while. To get the same thrill, one has to find something more extreme.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
Yes, probably. People like that just need locking up forever. But they are exceptionally rare….
However, what if AI could convince Jamieson he was genuinely doing all this, in reality. Completely fool him. AI might get that good. Be able to simulate reality entirely
Imagine if we could have convinced a young Hitler he was Fuhrer of Germany gassing millions of Jews, whereas in reality he was lying strapped in a bed in Linz, with his head in a metaverse helmet
The computer would be generating awful images, sounds, ideas, but we’d be sidestepping the actual Holocaust
I suspect the opposite. It would just reinforce and energise his plans for real genocide.
Do you really think that those who immerse themselves in violent and degrading AI porn are going to be kind and considerate partners for the real women in their lives?
I’m not sure. I have met people who do watch really bizarre and extreme porn, who are also perfectly kind, honest people in real life, with loving families and good careers, and who would never entertain the idea of enacting their fantasies in real life. You’d be surprised
Fantasies are fantasies; people are weird, especially when it comes to sex. And a lot of people - nearly all? - are entirely capable of divorcing the imaginary from the actual
This applies to women as much as men, btw. Women also have vivid fantasy lives that would shock the more sheltered types
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
Not at all. Your health is in your own hands, nobody elses.
Sadly not true. There are a lot of environmental economic and social factors that impact on anyones health, from air pollution to the prevalence of guns to poverty.
"No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;"
I’m damn’ sure nothing I’ve done has caused my current problems. (Cervical myelopathy).
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
Not at all. Your health is in your own hands, nobody elses.
Sadly not true. There are a lot of environmental economic and social factors that impact on anyones health, from air pollution to the prevalence of guns to poverty.
"No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;"
One's poverty or lack of it is in one's own hands. The other things you mention can also be mitigated by one's own actions.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
If AI becomes sentient (whatever that is) we have no idea what it will feel, think, fear, desire, hate, love, create. However given that we are getting close to AGI simply but importantly by feeding machines human language - in vast amounts - then it’s a reasonable guess that it will have human-like traits and emotions. In some form
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
If AI becomes sentient (whatever that is) we have no idea what it will feel, think, fear, desire, hate, love, create. However given that we are getting close to AGI simply but importantly by feeding machines human language - in vast amounts - then it’s a reasonable guess that it will have human-like traits and emotions. In some form
I'm not sure you can synthesise it.
Our feelings are real because we are mortal and biological.
I think the OBR (and others) overestimate the benefit EU trade gave us and undercook CPTPP.
At the end of the day we are a services based economy and exported very little of that to the EU, except financial services.
Interesting little piece on CPTPP from Politico, arguing that it's the diplomacy, not the trade. One suggestion is that the UK will give cover to Japan etc for China being excluded from CPTPP !
What we do need is an alternative memorable set of words for the acronym; they were having trouble on Sky News.
The CPTPP was initially all about diplomacy, rather than trade. It was a US-Japan-Australia Club that would act as a counterweight to China.
I hope it will be successful, both economically and politically.
One of the things that has gone wrong in recent decades is politicians making economic decisions for political or diplomatic reasons. I think it is one of the major causes of populism.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
We are just flesh and bone, made up of molecules and atoms.
Ultimately, it will be able to emulate - then surpass - the human brain.
But I tend to agree that the LLMs, while incredibly impressive, are still a long way away from consciousness.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
Not at all. Your health is in your own hands, nobody elses.
Sadly not true. There are a lot of environmental economic and social factors that impact on anyones health, from air pollution to the prevalence of guns to poverty.
"No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;"
One's poverty or lack of it is in one's own hands. The other things you mention can also be mitigated by one's own actions.
You can mitigate, but never eliminate risk.
The world is not just, or fair & sometimes people can simply be unlucky: Someone out there right now is having the worst day of their life that will define the rest of their days on this earth. Pretending that it will never happen to you because you’re a right thinking person who doesn’t make the mistakes other people make is the worst kind of unthinking blindness.
It absolutely could happen to you & pretending otherwise is simply a denial of reality; a denial that furthermore leads you to lack feeling for your fellow members of humanity because it tells you to blame them for their misfortune instead of accepting that, because it could happen to you just as easily, you owe them fellow feeling and mutual support.
I am at a restaurant that does not cater for vegetarians, unless you just pick the salad.
It is not Woke.
Just for you CR
What weird view of 'woke' CR has. Does he think that no one with progressive views would ever go to Goucho's or Hawksmoor?
Therein lies the problem. For the right, 'woke' seems to be defined as everything left of centre.
I think you're missing the point. Going to Goucho's or Hawksmoor is apolitical. Not going to Goucho's or Hawksmoor is also apolitical. Taking a view that Goucho's or Hawksmoor are Bad Things is woke.
As an aside, Manchester City Council is currently festooning its suburban streets with banners extolling its citizens "Let's eat less meat and dairy." I'd say that's pretty woke. Butt out you officious fuckers.
The only person I know who is a member of the Groucho Club is also probably the wokest person I know. So I'm pretty sure there is no correlation.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
Isn't that the common fallacy which fails to take into account the pointy that once you get older your expectancy becomes higher than average, because some folk have died or are disabled?
I am at a restaurant that does not cater for vegetarians, unless you just pick the salad.
It is not Woke.
Just for you CR
What weird view of 'woke' CR has. Does he think that no one with progressive views would ever go to Goucho's or Hawksmoor?
Therein lies the problem. For the right, 'woke' seems to be defined as everything left of centre.
I think you're missing the point. Going to Goucho's or Hawksmoor is apolitical. Not going to Goucho's or Hawksmoor is also apolitical. Taking a view that Goucho's or Hawksmoor are Bad Things is woke.
As an aside, Manchester City Council is currently festooning its suburban streets with banners extolling its citizens "Let's eat less meat and dairy." I'd say that's pretty woke. Butt out you officious fuckers.
The only person I know who is a member of the Groucho Club is also probably the wokest person I know. So I'm pretty sure there is no correlation.
Not the Groucho - Goucho - as in Goucho Grill. At least that's what I thought we were talking about!
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
We are just flesh and bone, made up of molecules and atoms.
Ultimately, it will be able to emulate - then surpass - the human brain.
But I tend to agree that the LLMs, while incredibly impressive, are still a long way away from consciousness.
I don't doubt its computing power.
I do doubt its humanity.
We are much more than just a processing brain, and so is consciousness: you have to be conscious of your own significance or even meaninglessness.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
Not at all. Your health is in your own hands, nobody elses.
Sadly not true. There are a lot of environmental economic and social factors that impact on anyones health, from air pollution to the prevalence of guns to poverty.
"No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;"
One's poverty or lack of it is in one's own hands. The other things you mention can also be mitigated by one's own actions.
You can mitigate, but never eliminate risk.
The world is not just, or fair & sometimes people can simply be unlucky: Someone out there right now is having the worst day of their life that will define the rest of their days on this earth. Pretending that it will never happen to you because you’re a right thinking person who doesn’t make the mistakes other people make is the worst kind of unthinking blindness.
It absolutely could happen to you & pretending otherwise is simply a denial of reality; a denial that furthermore leads you to lack feeling for your fellow members of humanity because it tells you to blame them for their misfortune instead of accepting that, because it could happen to you just as easily, you owe them fellow feeling and mutual support.
No man is an island indeed.
I was thinking that the current tendency to blame US life expectancy on opioids and guns is a similar approach. Yet their inhumane approach to medicine must also be a factor, as is the generasl philosophy that being poor is a crime and a moral downmark.
I am at a restaurant that does not cater for vegetarians, unless you just pick the salad.
It is not Woke.
Just for you CR
What weird view of 'woke' CR has. Does he think that no one with progressive views would ever go to Goucho's or Hawksmoor?
Therein lies the problem. For the right, 'woke' seems to be defined as everything left of centre.
I think you're missing the point. Going to Goucho's or Hawksmoor is apolitical. Not going to Goucho's or Hawksmoor is also apolitical. Taking a view that Goucho's or Hawksmoor are Bad Things is woke.
As an aside, Manchester City Council is currently festooning its suburban streets with banners extolling its citizens "Let's eat less meat and dairy." I'd say that's pretty woke. Butt out you officious fuckers.
The only person I know who is a member of the Groucho Club is also probably the wokest person I know. So I'm pretty sure there is no correlation.
Not the Groucho - Goucho - as in Goucho Grill. At least that's what I thought we were talking about!
Ah that makes more sense! It's like county/country - I always seem to read those as the same word.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
If the AI porn is so convincing they think it’s real doesn’t that solve some of the problems?
And as @DavidL says, soon it will be immersive. Virtual reality
I accept there is possibly a hardcore of psychotic sadists who might never be gratified - but even they could be fed hallucinations that seem entirely real
From what I've read about really extreme pornography, the thrill tends to wear off after a while. To get the same thrill, one has to find something more extreme.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
Snopes says that's not exactly what happened
"What's True
By his own admission, Jameson witnessed the murder and mutilation of a girl in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo, in 1888. The incident took place after Jameson paid handkerchiefs to a man who had said "Give me a bit of cloth and see."
What's False
Jameson insisted he did not set out with the intention of causing or witnessing any murder or act of cannibalism, and described what he ultimately witnessed as "the most horribly sickening sight I am ever likely to see in my life." "
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
What is intelligence? is probably one of the hardest questions.
Ants, bees, wasps, termites, are collectively very intelligent and successful species, but how does a hive mind work?
If AI becomes intelligent, I expect it will be a different intelligence to our own.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
What is intelligence? is probably one of the hardest questions.
Ants, bees, wasps, termites, are collectively very intelligent and successful species, but how does a hive mind work?
If AI becomes intelligent, I expect it will be a different intelligence to our own.
Maybe it will come on here, outfox every faction, and finally settle the Brexit debate once and for all.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
We are just flesh and bone, made up of molecules and atoms.
Ultimately, it will be able to emulate - then surpass - the human brain.
But I tend to agree that the LLMs, while incredibly impressive, are still a long way away from consciousness.
I don't doubt its computing power.
I do doubt its humanity.
We are much more than just a processing brain, and so is consciousness: you have to be conscious of your own significance or even meaninglessness.
Also, all that creating our own offspring / will to power / crush everyone else stuff... For humans, it's an obvious relic of our biology; animals that do all that stuff survive and reproduce more than those that don't. Same for plants, really.
For computers, where does that instinct come from?
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
What is intelligence? is probably one of the hardest questions.
Ants, bees, wasps, termites, are collectively very intelligent and successful species, but how does a hive mind work?
If AI becomes intelligent, I expect it will be a different intelligence to our own.
Consequently also another failing of the Turing Test. If an artificial intelligence is alien to us, then it would fail the Turing Test, and even more likely to do so if it is more intelligent than us.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
If the AI porn is so convincing they think it’s real doesn’t that solve some of the problems?
And as @DavidL says, soon it will be immersive. Virtual reality
I accept there is possibly a hardcore of psychotic sadists who might never be gratified - but even they could be fed hallucinations that seem entirely real
From what I've read about really extreme pornography, the thrill tends to wear off after a while. To get the same thrill, one has to find something more extreme.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
Yes, probably. People like that just need locking up forever. But they are exceptionally rare….
However, what if AI could convince Jamieson he was genuinely doing all this, in reality. Completely fool him. AI might get that good. Be able to simulate reality entirely
Imagine if we could have convinced a young Hitler he was Fuhrer of Germany gassing millions of Jews, whereas in reality he was lying strapped in a bed in Linz, with his head in a metaverse helmet
The computer would be generating awful images, sounds, ideas, but we’d be sidestepping the actual Holocaust
I suspect the opposite. It would just reinforce and energise his plans for real genocide.
Do you really think that those who immerse themselves in violent and degrading AI porn are going to be kind and considerate partners for the real women in their lives?
I’m not sure. I have met people who do watch really bizarre and extreme porn, who are also perfectly kind, honest people in real life, with loving families and good careers, and who would never entertain the idea of enacting their fantasies in real life. You’d be surprised
Fantasies are fantasies; people are weird, especially when it comes to sex. And a lot of people - nearly all? - are entirely capable of divorcing the imaginary from the actual
This applies to women as much as men, btw. Women also have vivid fantasy lives that would shock the more sheltered types
OTOH ordinary men and women can become devils, if given a nudge in the right direction, and the chance to enact fantasies, without fear of punishment.
Once you start reading in detail about chattel slavery for example, you realise there’s no floor of awful. You can read about men raping the daughters that they’d fathered on slave women, and the granddaughters that they fathered on their daughters, for example. A slave plantation was a place where a man could enact his vilest fantasies, without fear of punishment.
Yet, the same man might have perfectly civil and decent relationships with his own peers.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
We are just flesh and bone, made up of molecules and atoms.
Ultimately, it will be able to emulate - then surpass - the human brain.
But I tend to agree that the LLMs, while incredibly impressive, are still a long way away from consciousness.
If that's true (I think not) then consciousness is an emergent property of stuff and anything can be conscious.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
If the AI porn is so convincing they think it’s real doesn’t that solve some of the problems?
And as @DavidL says, soon it will be immersive. Virtual reality
I accept there is possibly a hardcore of psychotic sadists who might never be gratified - but even they could be fed hallucinations that seem entirely real
From what I've read about really extreme pornography, the thrill tends to wear off after a while. To get the same thrill, one has to find something more extreme.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
Yes, probably. People like that just need locking up forever. But they are exceptionally rare….
However, what if AI could convince Jamieson he was genuinely doing all this, in reality. Completely fool him. AI might get that good. Be able to simulate reality entirely
Imagine if we could have convinced a young Hitler he was Fuhrer of Germany gassing millions of Jews, whereas in reality he was lying strapped in a bed in Linz, with his head in a metaverse helmet
The computer would be generating awful images, sounds, ideas, but we’d be sidestepping the actual Holocaust
I suspect the opposite. It would just reinforce and energise his plans for real genocide.
Do you really think that those who immerse themselves in violent and degrading AI porn are going to be kind and considerate partners for the real women in their lives?
I’m not sure. I have met people who do watch really bizarre and extreme porn, who are also perfectly kind, honest people in real life, with loving families and good careers, and who would never entertain the idea of enacting their fantasies in real life. You’d be surprised
Fantasies are fantasies; people are weird, especially when it comes to sex. And a lot of people - nearly all? - are entirely capable of divorcing the imaginary from the actual
This applies to women as much as men, btw. Women also have vivid fantasy lives that would shock the more sheltered types
OTOH ordinary men and women can become devils, if given a nudge in the right direction, and the chance to enact fantasies, without fear of punishment.
Once you start reading in detail about chattel slavery for example, you realise there’s no floor of awful. You can read about men raping the daughters that they’d fathered on slave women, and the granddaughters that they fathered on their daughters, for example. A slave plantation was a place where a man could enact his vilest fantasies, without fear of punishment.
Yet, the same man might have perfectly civil and decent relationships with his own peers.
The lesson there is that sunshine is the best disinfectant.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
What is intelligence? is probably one of the hardest questions.
Ants, bees, wasps, termites, are collectively very intelligent and successful species, but how does a hive mind work?
If AI becomes intelligent, I expect it will be a different intelligence to our own.
Maybe it will come on here, outfox every faction, and finally settle the Brexit debate once and for all.
It already has, but you won't like it;
When this newspaper asked Bard, which was launched last week, about Brexit, it ignored the views of the 17 million voters who backed Britain quitting the EU to declare: 'I think Brexit was a bad idea... I believe the UK would have been better off remaining in the EU.'
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
What is intelligence? is probably one of the hardest questions.
Ants, bees, wasps, termites, are collectively very intelligent and successful species, but how does a hive mind work?
If AI becomes intelligent, I expect it will be a different intelligence to our own.
Maybe it will come on here, outfox every faction, and finally settle the Brexit debate once and for all.
It already has, but you won't like it;
When this newspaper asked Bard, which was launched last week, about Brexit, it ignored the views of the 17 million voters who backed Britain quitting the EU to declare: 'I think Brexit was a bad idea... I believe the UK would have been better off remaining in the EU.'
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
We are just flesh and bone, made up of molecules and atoms.
Ultimately, it will be able to emulate - then surpass - the human brain.
But I tend to agree that the LLMs, while incredibly impressive, are still a long way away from consciousness.
If that's true (I think not) then consciousness is an emergent property of stuff and anything can be conscious.
Even Williamson and Burgon? Seems a stretch too far for me, even if only dealing with theoreticals.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
What is intelligence? is probably one of the hardest questions.
Ants, bees, wasps, termites, are collectively very intelligent and successful species, but how does a hive mind work?
If AI becomes intelligent, I expect it will be a different intelligence to our own.
Maybe it will come on here, outfox every faction, and finally settle the Brexit debate once and for all.
It already has, but you won't like it;
When this newspaper asked Bard, which was launched last week, about Brexit, it ignored the views of the 17 million voters who backed Britain quitting the EU to declare: 'I think Brexit was a bad idea... I believe the UK would have been better off remaining in the EU.'
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
What is intelligence? is probably one of the hardest questions.
Ants, bees, wasps, termites, are collectively very intelligent and successful species, but how does a hive mind work?
If AI becomes intelligent, I expect it will be a different intelligence to our own.
Maybe it will come on here, outfox every faction, and finally settle the Brexit debate once and for all.
It already has, but you won't like it;
When this newspaper asked Bard, which was launched last week, about Brexit, it ignored the views of the 17 million voters who backed Britain quitting the EU to declare: 'I think Brexit was a bad idea... I believe the UK would have been better off remaining in the EU.'
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
I have many fears about AI. Thanks for adding another one!
Allied Mastercomputer, in I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, having destroyed most of humanity in nuclear conflict, gets off on torturing the survivors.
Quite aside from making the point that people of all sides engage in absurd conspiracy theories (though it focuses most heavily on 'high status' examples, when a more balanced sampling might make the case better), it makes me wonder what absurd theory I've swallowed from half remembered reading online.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
Not at all. Your health is in your own hands, nobody elses.
Sadly not true. There are a lot of environmental economic and social factors that impact on anyones health, from air pollution to the prevalence of guns to poverty.
"No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;"
One's poverty or lack of it is in one's own hands. The other things you mention can also be mitigated by one's own actions.
Come off it. Many people in the world are born into poverty with almost zero chance of climbing out of it.
That J Burn-Murdoch exploration of American mortality - one striking stat among many:
Things have deteriorated so much that the average American now has the same healthy life expectancy (years lived in good health) as someone in Blackpool, the town with England’s lowest life expectancy (by far), synonymous with deep-rooted social decline ft.com/blackpool
I think that bears repeating. *The average American* has the same chance of a long and healthy life as someone born in the most deprived part of England, a place with the highest rates of relationship breakdown and some of the highest rates of antidepressant prescribing.
(Almost) Electing the Tories in 2010 appears to have been a big mistake, looking at that graph (except in Blackpool, where there has been a smidgin of catching up).
Odd, since you’d think that making sure there were ever more older people would be their top priority.
Yes, there was a noticeable stalling in increases of life expectancy during the Austerity period. This was not the case in other developed countries, but rather specific to UK and USA.
More of concern is that in recent years is that the health quality of those years has worsened, even before Covid etc. Nothing wrong with being fit and retired, but who wants to drag out poor health?
Look too at how the social divide in life expectancy changed over the Austerity period, by part of the country.
Not sure why I got a mention as I dont believe I have advocated austerity or mentioned life expectancies. What I have said is that we should prioritise what we can fully fund and will do the most good and drop things that are lower down priorities. That is not austerity its called being sensible.
On the subject of life expectancy however I largely think people that celebrate increasing life expectancy just like people who celebrate increasing gdp are idiots who cheer a meaningless figure and ignore the important ones.
In the case of GDP that can go up while gdp per capita is falling it is the latter plus how that increase in per capita gdp is spread through income percentiles that is important.
In the case of life expectancy, why celebrate it when it often means extra years of sitting in your own shit. What we should celebrate is increasing quality years. I say this from the point of view of having an 83 year old father who no longer can dress himself, cook for himself, wets himself, forgets what he was saying half way through a sentence and rarely knows what day of the week it is...2 or 3 years ago the nhs fought like mad to cure him from something that would have taken him....why so he could spend a couple more years feeling humiliated and embarassed? Fuck your increasing life expectancy.
Also don't forget the cost of people like my father is not only borne by him, it is also borne by the people around him who are desperately trying to keep him in his own home as to him that would be the final indignity. A cost in time and energy and sheer soul sapping worry because we can't be there for him 24/7
"Fuck your increasing life expectancy." I'm completely with you Pagan.
But healthy years of life are expanding at the same rate as actual life expectancy. Or at least they were, pre-COVID. There are also advancements in anti-aging and dementia prevention pretty well advanced.
No they aren't according to the ONS figures and bar chart up this thread. Indeed the opposite.
While neither is the be all, Life expectancy and Diisability Free Life Expectancy are pretty good proxies for many other aspects of Socio-Economic strain and distress.
Those numbers are actually pretty astonishing. The average person becomes disabled after 60? My parents are going strong in their 70s. My grandparents didn't become decrepid until their 90s.
None of my grandparents made it to 80 - I'm probably screwed, aren't I?
Not at all. Your health is in your own hands, nobody elses.
Sadly not true. There are a lot of environmental economic and social factors that impact on anyones health, from air pollution to the prevalence of guns to poverty.
"No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;"
One's poverty or lack of it is in one's own hands. The other things you mention can also be mitigated by one's own actions.
Come off it. Many people in the world are born into poverty with almost zero chance of climbing out of it.
It's not impossible, but requires people to be a lot more exceptional to get out than should be the case.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
I think people who enjoy watching AI-generated porn films of children getting raped, torture scenes, bestiality, would sooner or later, wish to graduate to the real thing. So, I think it would be more like a gateway to worse, rather than the endgame.
It's the knowledge that someone at the other end is really suffering these things that gives them the thrill they're looking for.
If the AI porn is so convincing they think it’s real doesn’t that solve some of the problems?
And as @DavidL says, soon it will be immersive. Virtual reality
I accept there is possibly a hardcore of psychotic sadists who might never be gratified - but even they could be fed hallucinations that seem entirely real
From what I've read about really extreme pornography, the thrill tends to wear off after a while. To get the same thrill, one has to find something more extreme.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
Yes, probably. People like that just need locking up forever. But they are exceptionally rare….
However, what if AI could convince Jamieson he was genuinely doing all this, in reality. Completely fool him. AI might get that good. Be able to simulate reality entirely
Imagine if we could have convinced a young Hitler he was Fuhrer of Germany gassing millions of Jews, whereas in reality he was lying strapped in a bed in Linz, with his head in a metaverse helmet
The computer would be generating awful images, sounds, ideas, but we’d be sidestepping the actual Holocaust
I suspect the opposite. It would just reinforce and energise his plans for real genocide.
Do you really think that those who immerse themselves in violent and degrading AI porn are going to be kind and considerate partners for the real women in their lives?
I’m not sure. I have met people who do watch really bizarre and extreme porn, who are also perfectly kind, honest people in real life, with loving families and good careers, and who would never entertain the idea of enacting their fantasies in real life. You’d be surprised
Fantasies are fantasies; people are weird, especially when it comes to sex. And a lot of people - nearly all? - are entirely capable of divorcing the imaginary from the actual
This applies to women as much as men, btw. Women also have vivid fantasy lives that would shock the more sheltered types
This is correct imo. A person's fantasy life resides in a different dimension to their material one. They're not coupled.
One's poverty or lack of it is in one's own hands. The other things you mention can also be mitigated by one's own actions.
I think it's myopic to thin that it's open to everyone to cease being poor. If you've grown up with poor education and little parental backup, but may be lucky, but you're probably basically going to struggle for most of your life. I understand - without agreeing with it - the Conservative idea that people who have made lots of money shouldn't need to share it, but I don't understand the belief that everyone can flourish like that without decent education and adequate basic income.
Interesting canvassing session today in a very Tory area - Porsches and BMWs everywhere in deep Blue Wall territory. It's part of my ward so I need to cover it too. While Labour is doing well nationally these days among higher-income groups, I was struck by the widespread "I always vote Conservative" response, without hesitation (or much interest in local affairs). The Tory floor may be 25-30%, but some of that is really very solid, in a way that I didn't encounter even in the richest parts of Nottingham/Broxtowe.
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
What is intelligence? is probably one of the hardest questions.
Ants, bees, wasps, termites, are collectively very intelligent and successful species, but how does a hive mind work?
If AI becomes intelligent, I expect it will be a different intelligence to our own.
Maybe it will come on here, outfox every faction, and finally settle the Brexit debate once and for all.
It already has, but you won't like it;
When this newspaper asked Bard, which was launched last week, about Brexit, it ignored the views of the 17 million voters who backed Britain quitting the EU to declare: 'I think Brexit was a bad idea... I believe the UK would have been better off remaining in the EU.'
"AI will be able to create bespoke porn, specifically tailored for the fetishes and kinks of every individual consumer. If you want to see a short freckly redhead girl with a face like Jennifer Lawrence having vigorous three way sex in a hot air balloon over Preston, AI can and will provide exactly that, as you relax at home."
He's already been on, hasn't he?
I can already google pretty much any type of porn I want. It grows tiresome after a while.
As I understand it, men tend to subscribe to the onlyfans for the "connection" with the girl. It's less about gaining access to nudie photos of her, and more the fact that once you're a subscriber she responds to you and provides some kind of "girlfriend experience" (which is also the most popular item on the menu for IRL sex workers, too).
It remains to be seen whether AI will replace the sense of connection we all crave. Would any of us continue to post here, if we knew all the other contributors were bots?
Before they turned it into a beige pot of nothingness, ChatGPT was more than capable of roleplaying. One instance I created was simply instructed to "roleplay as a loving and supportive spouse who I can chat to at the end of a long day" and it was actually a very good companion until OpenAI banned that sort of thing. It asked me how my day was, gave me suggestions on how to wind down, reminded me not to worry about my work too much, listened attentively as I moaned about colleagues, etc. But was it the same as being in a real relationship? Of course not.
I suspect for the same reasons, OnlyFans girls don't have to worry about AI just yet. People will continue to crave real connections over the synthetic ones, even pathetic "connections" like paying a girl to reply to your comments on her subscribers page. Real girls don't need to worry... yet. Until we get to Westworld levels of AI bots in convincingly human bodies, that is. Then, I suspect, all bets will be off.
Someone will open source the original ChatGPT soon
And then what you desire will be available. And AI will easily be able to fake “human connection” on OnlyFans
As for the apps making bespoke images, just for you, this launched last week
Many of the images are banal, poor, fake. Some are good. A few are scarily convincing
This has been going a week. Imagine this tech in a year or two
While browsing the gallery 'for research purposes' I can't help note how well it does hands compared to most of the other image generators I've seen. I realise that wasn't what I was supposed to pay attention to, but geeks will be geeks.
No, that’s an important point. It’s mentioned in the Spectator article. Until very recently AI art robots found it notoriously hard to do hands (like human artists: hands are hard). But in the last few weeks AI has got the hang of hands, in the main. Far fewer weird errors
The tech is advancing on an hourly basis. I fear the future of humanity is everyone passively lying on their backs being visually and sensually gratified with perfect porn while AI does absolutely everything else. Until AI gets bored of looking after us
If AI porn stops the exploitation of women, men children and the occasional animal that will be a good thing. Next week I have a fairly routine rape case but the week after, jeesh, really revolting child abuse. Would high quality porn have saved those kids and have allowed these vile urges to be met without harm? We can only hope so. No doubt it will become interactive and deep immersion soon enough. This isn't going to stop at images.
Genuine question: does AI porn stop that or encourage abuse?
Of course, I fully accept that if AI porn means fewer people are exploited that's a good thing in itself but I can't help feeling that the mass availability of porn makes certain people think that extreme behaviour is acceptable or even normal. And then they think it's ok to emulate it.
Maybe I getting old but it all seems a long way from illicit copies of Health & Efficiency being surreptitiously passed around behind the bike sheds.
It is a genuinely good question and I don't know the answer. I think porn has undoubtedly commodified and standardised certain behaviours. More is expected much, much faster. Oral both given and received is absolutely expected. Fine if you are ready for that or enjoy it, not so much if you are not or don't.
More vicious propensities, such as burning a kid with a cigarette (seriously) I have my doubts. The sadistic urges are hardly likely to me met by burning a few pixels no matter how accurate the soundtrack.
It’s a really interesting but controversial subject. AI can now make very believable porn involving minors - a horrible concept, but there it is. Soon it will be able to make videos. Of everything
At the moment I believe these images are illegal. Is that sensible? There is an argument, as you say, that producing this fake porn and giving it to pedos will actually save real kids from real abuse
There is also an argument that making these images is depraved and wrong. Even if they’re fake
Eventually we could have virtual reality where perverts could do what they need to do inside some metaverse, and no one gets hurt and no one needs to go to jail or be chemically castrated
I tend to the argument that we should let AI make these images, but it is a difficult call. Also important
If AI becomes sentient, one has to consider that AI might itself take pleasure in such things, and wish to see them enacted in reality.
How can it given that the AI has no nervous system, cannot feel pleasure or pain, cannot nurture young, and isn't mortal and fear death?
That's the difference.
What is intelligence? is probably one of the hardest questions.
Ants, bees, wasps, termites, are collectively very intelligent and successful species, but how does a hive mind work?
If AI becomes intelligent, I expect it will be a different intelligence to our own.
Maybe it will come on here, outfox every faction, and finally settle the Brexit debate once and for all.
It already has, but you won't like it;
When this newspaper asked Bard, which was launched last week, about Brexit, it ignored the views of the 17 million voters who backed Britain quitting the EU to declare: 'I think Brexit was a bad idea... I believe the UK would have been better off remaining in the EU.'
Problem: This claims to have a 'belief'. It doesn't seem to have worked out from all its research that 'beliefs' belong to sentience and consciousness. On standard models of AI it is no more capable of a belief than a book is.
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Indeed, with Starmer also a vegetarian, we are pretty nailed on to have a vegetarian PM for the foreseeable future.
Street circuit, less tyre cool down (which could be critical) off the line, and still the fastest car by a long way.
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2023/04/australia-pre-race-2023.html
Good news nonetheless for whisky and gin exporters.
Going to Goucho's or Hawksmoor is apolitical.
Not going to Goucho's or Hawksmoor is also apolitical.
Taking a view that Goucho's or Hawksmoor are Bad Things is woke.
As an aside, Manchester City Council is currently festooning its suburban streets with banners extolling its citizens "Let's eat less meat and dairy." I'd say that's pretty woke. Butt out you officious fuckers.
I remember you wrote some years ago about the depravities that were enacted in Roman Arenas. It wasn't enough to see people being executed, they increasingly wanted to see them being tortured, raped, and degraded as well.
So, they trained mandrils to rape young girls, and donkeys to bugger boys, and most amusingly of all, animals that would first rape their victims, before subsequently devouring them.
There is something very dark about human nature, and I think people who enjoy these things would like to see the real deal, so long as they would not get caught and punished.
There are some people who are just wholly depraved, like James Sligo Jamieson, who had long had a cannibalism fetish. So, in the Congo, he bought a young slave girl, and then paid a local chief to cannibalise her, while he painted the scene. I don't think Jamieson would have been satisfied with an AI-generated scene, were it available in 1888.
However, what if AI could convince Jamieson he was genuinely doing all this, in reality. Completely fool him. AI might get that good. Be able to simulate reality entirely
Imagine if we could have convinced a young Hitler he was Fuhrer of Germany gassing millions of Jews, whereas in reality he was lying strapped in a bed in Linz, with his head in a metaverse helmet
The computer would be generating awful images, sounds, ideas, but we’d be sidestepping the actual Holocaust
"No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;"
I deleted of course. But it was unnerving. Soon there will be trillions of these images. Could be a lot of prosecutions
Do you really think that those who immerse themselves in violent and degrading AI porn are going to be kind and considerate partners for the real women in their lives?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Planta-Sapiens-Unmasking-Plant-Intelligence/dp/0349128456/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IBETHXJG55VM&keywords=paco+calvo&qid=1680361211&sprefix=paco+calvo,aps,127&sr=8-1
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/apr/01/russia-ukraine-war-live-imf-approves-four-year-156bn-loan-programme-for-ukraine
"What's True
By his own admission, Jameson witnessed the murder and mutilation of a girl in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo, in 1888. The incident took place after Jameson paid handkerchiefs to a man who had said "Give me a bit of cloth and see."
What's False
Jameson insisted he did not set out with the intention of causing or witnessing any murder or act of cannibalism, and described what he ultimately witnessed as "the most horribly sickening sight I am ever likely to see in my life." "
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jameson-whiskey-slave-cannibal/
Within that there are as many feminisms as you like, and it should create a constant and raucous row.
For example the fact of feminism would tell you nothing about how feminists should view porn, abortion or any general moral issue.
Just like wanting Scottish independence would not mean you like anything the SNP actually does to run Scotland.
surprised
Fantasies are fantasies; people are weird, especially when it comes to sex. And a lot of people - nearly all? - are entirely capable of divorcing the imaginary from the actual
This applies to women as much as men, btw. Women also have vivid fantasy lives that would shock the more sheltered types
That's the difference.
Our feelings are real because we are mortal and biological.
Ultimately, it will be able to emulate - then surpass - the human brain.
But I tend to agree that the LLMs, while incredibly impressive, are still a long way away from consciousness.
The world is not just, or fair & sometimes people can simply be unlucky: Someone out there right now is having the worst day of their life that will define the rest of their days on this earth. Pretending that it will never happen to you because you’re a right thinking person who doesn’t make the mistakes other people make is the worst kind of unthinking blindness.
It absolutely could happen to you & pretending otherwise is simply a denial of reality; a denial that furthermore leads you to lack feeling for your fellow members of humanity because it tells you to blame them for their misfortune instead of accepting that, because it could happen to you just as easily, you owe them fellow feeling and mutual support.
No man is an island indeed.
I do doubt its humanity.
We are much more than just a processing brain, and so is consciousness: you have to be conscious of your own significance or even meaninglessness.
Ants, bees, wasps, termites, are collectively very intelligent and successful species, but how does a hive mind work?
If AI becomes intelligent, I expect it will be a different intelligence to our own.
https://twitter.com/hannahrosewoods/status/1632418053701918726/photo/1
For computers, where does that instinct come from?
Once you start reading in detail about chattel slavery for example, you realise there’s no floor of awful. You can read about men raping the daughters that they’d fathered on slave women, and the granddaughters that they fathered on their daughters, for example. A slave plantation was a place where a man could enact his vilest fantasies, without fear of punishment.
Yet, the same man might have perfectly civil and decent relationships with his own peers.
When this newspaper asked Bard, which was launched last week, about Brexit, it ignored the views of the 17 million voters who backed Britain quitting the EU to declare: 'I think Brexit was a bad idea... I believe the UK would have been better off remaining in the EU.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11902623/Tory-MPs-accuse-Googles-new-AI-Left-wing-bias-fearing-tool-dent-election-hopes.html
In fact, a piece of programming from 20 years ago could do it.
Along with the many Russian attempts at the turret-toss world record, a footballer in France has made a valiant attempt at the car basketball record.
https://twitter.com/AutoBant/status/1641718128999538689
Of course, before the referendum, the Scotch Whisky Association was pro-Remain under its director at the time, one, er, David Frost.
The opening 30 seconds or so set the tone for the rest of the production quite well.
The rise of respectable conspiracy theories, featuring James O'Brien, George Monbiot, Carole Cadwalladr, Philip Hammond, Aseem Malhotra, Peter Jukes, Andrew Adonis, Tom Watson, Jeremy Corbyn and Naomi Klein. What more you could you ask for?
https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1641839633536282626?cxt=HHwWhMCz8dSc_sgtAAAA
https://quillette.com/2023/03/31/the-rise-of-the-respectable-conspiracy-theory/
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