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Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
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I agree with her.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes. Read that link.ydoethur said:
Did they bugger things up?TheScreamingEagles said:
No was, still is a Wright Hassell.MarqueeMark said:
There was Wright Hassell....Nigel_Foremain said:
Wasn't there also (genuinely) one in the midlands called Doolittle and Dally?Fairliered said:
There used to be a Glasgow law firm called Maclay, Murray and Spens, nicknamed Delay, Worry and Expense. There was a story doing the rounds at one time, that they refused to enter partnership with another well known Glasgow lawyer, Tom Risk, as being called Delay, Worry, Expense and Risk was a step too far.Nigel_Foremain said:
Boris Johnson tried to get on top of his brief, but Lord Pannick said he was not that sort of chap. (it is a great name for a lawyer)OnlyLivingBoy said:Kudos to Williamson. My wife, who is a great judge of character, met him once and said he was very nice and seemed on top of his brief.
My favourite (disbarred) solicitor, step forward Anal Sheikh.
https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/court-enema-vexatious-litigant-anal-sheikh
Here’s a taster.
Among her numerous applications, in 2017 Sheikh sought the impeachment of Lord Phillips, Lord Justice Briggs, Lord Justice Henderson and Sir Terence Etherton for conspiracy to commit identity theft.
Sheikh accused Lord Philips of apparently giving a number of conspirators (including Burges Salmon, The Law Society and The Bank of Ireland) access to empty courtrooms where Lord Justice Briggs “impersonated a judge and staged enactments of trials.
He put on his judicial robes and wig, used the empty courtrooms and bribed court [sic] to stand around to pretend that a hearing was taking place, which it was not.”
Sheikh described Briggs' involvement in this "fraudulent instrument" as "the greatest risk ever known in the history of the civilised world".
She said "that is not a statement of hyperbole".
'Hyperbole' doesn't begin to do it justice...1 -
A couple of Edwards!SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
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Mr Simpson-to-be.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
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Several Edwards have been retrospectively classified as female under the GRR in Scotland, notably Edward II, V, VI and VIII.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Plus Charles is getting in touch with his feminine side because everyone keeps talking about the Queen. And his mother's name made sense.
So that brings us up to the VII.0 -
That was Edward VIII. Edward VII was 1901-10 and would just have shagged her.Carnyx said:
Mr Simpson-to-be.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
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The conspiracy clearly stretches a long way.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes. Read that link.ydoethur said:
Did they bugger things up?TheScreamingEagles said:
No was, still is a Wright Hassell.MarqueeMark said:
There was Wright Hassell....Nigel_Foremain said:
Wasn't there also (genuinely) one in the midlands called Doolittle and Dally?Fairliered said:
There used to be a Glasgow law firm called Maclay, Murray and Spens, nicknamed Delay, Worry and Expense. There was a story doing the rounds at one time, that they refused to enter partnership with another well known Glasgow lawyer, Tom Risk, as being called Delay, Worry, Expense and Risk was a step too far.Nigel_Foremain said:
Boris Johnson tried to get on top of his brief, but Lord Pannick said he was not that sort of chap. (it is a great name for a lawyer)OnlyLivingBoy said:Kudos to Williamson. My wife, who is a great judge of character, met him once and said he was very nice and seemed on top of his brief.
My favourite (disbarred) solicitor, step forward Anal Sheikh.
https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/court-enema-vexatious-litigant-anal-sheikh
Here’s a taster.
Among her numerous applications, in 2017 Sheikh sought the impeachment of Lord Phillips, Lord Justice Briggs, Lord Justice Henderson and Sir Terence Etherton for conspiracy to commit identity theft.
Sheikh accused Lord Philips of apparently giving a number of conspirators (including Burges Salmon, The Law Society and The Bank of Ireland) access to empty courtrooms where Lord Justice Briggs “impersonated a judge and staged enactments of trials.
He put on his judicial robes and wig, used the empty courtrooms and bribed court [sic] to stand around to pretend that a hearing was taking place, which it was not.”
Sheikh described Briggs' involvement in this "fraudulent instrument" as "the greatest risk ever known in the history of the civilised world".
She said "that is not a statement of hyperbole".0 -
Bozo's briefs are far too often to be found round his ankles.Nigel_Foremain said:
Boris Johnson tried to get on top of his brief, but Lord Pannick said he was not that sort of chap. (it is a great name for a lawyer)OnlyLivingBoy said:Kudos to Williamson. My wife, who is a great judge of character, met him once and said he was very nice and seemed on top of his brief.
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Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
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That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
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I think it was @TSE that pointed out we could have an Indian and a Pakistani deciding on the partition of Great Britain. (They are both firstly British of course)Emerald said:
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.malcolmg said:
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.Emerald said:
do you know him personally?malcolmg said:
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.Fairliered said:
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.malcolmg said:
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.Theuniondivvie said:
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.CarlottaVance said:
Reward for helping Humza get his job?Theuniondivvie said:A few folk left raging doubtless.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..0 -
Kate Forbes to leave Scottish government.1
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Sounds like Humza Yousaf offered Kate Forbes a new role and she's turned it down. Off to the back benches.
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In St Albans we have a EVIIIRBlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
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The losers in these sorts of contests probably want to retain an at least equivalent level role, for face saving purposes, and she was in a position he really needed to have a key ally in, so seems inevitable.ohnotnow said:Sounds like Humza Yousaf offered Kate Forbes a new role and she's turned it down. Off to the back benches.
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SNP still disintegrating by looks of it .
There's a rumour that Lord Macbeth and Lady are heading for the divorce courts.1 -
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.3 -
Yousaf will rue the day he fired Forbes.dixiedean said:Kate Forbes to leave Scottish government.
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@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio0 -
Plus a woman of South Asian descent as Enoch Powell impersonator?Emerald said:
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.malcolmg said:
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.Emerald said:
do you know him personally?malcolmg said:
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.Fairliered said:
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.malcolmg said:
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.Theuniondivvie said:
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.CarlottaVance said:
Reward for helping Humza get his job?Theuniondivvie said:A few folk left raging doubtless.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..
Speaking as a wokish American, truly impressive achievement, by UK South Asians AND the rest of you UKers.
Britons (especially Little Englanders?) may tend to exaggerate (just a wee bit?) contemporary British worldwide influence, leadership & prestige.
But the ethnic (if not so much cultural) diversity of UK elected political leadership today, is an area where I think you UNDERESTIMATE.1 -
I thought she was opposed to that kind of thing?Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio6 -
Well, a Scottish separatist would not accept a British political identity, so not exactly.Omnium said:
I think it was @TSE that pointed out we could have an Indian and a Pakistani deciding on the partition of Great Britain. (They are both firstly British of course)Emerald said:
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.malcolmg said:
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.Emerald said:
do you know him personally?malcolmg said:
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.Fairliered said:
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.malcolmg said:
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.Theuniondivvie said:
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.CarlottaVance said:
Reward for helping Humza get his job?Theuniondivvie said:A few folk left raging doubtless.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..0 -
Not as old, but much rarer!NickyBreakspear said:
In St Albans we have a EVIIIRBlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
We've got a GR in town as well, but I've not emptied that one yet0 -
Well, it certainly makes that claim he would unite the party look less plausible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yousaf will rue the day he fired Forbes.dixiedean said:Kate Forbes to leave Scottish government.
Mind you it was Ian Blackford said it.1 -
Ahem, I used the word heritage.Omnium said:
I think it was @TSE that pointed out we could have an Indian and a Pakistani deciding on the partition of Great Britain. (They are both firstly British of course)Emerald said:
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.malcolmg said:
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.Emerald said:
do you know him personally?malcolmg said:
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.Fairliered said:
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.malcolmg said:
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.Theuniondivvie said:
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.CarlottaVance said:
Reward for helping Humza get his job?Theuniondivvie said:A few folk left raging doubtless.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..
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Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.0 -
Presumably "trousering" NOT as in stuffing your pockets, but rather problems with zippers?TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.0 -
The fabulous Kidderminster Estate agents...TheScreamingEagles said:
No was, still is a Wright Hassell.MarqueeMark said:
There was Wright Hassell....Nigel_Foremain said:
Wasn't there also (genuinely) one in the midlands called Doolittle and Dally?Fairliered said:
There used to be a Glasgow law firm called Maclay, Murray and Spens, nicknamed Delay, Worry and Expense. There was a story doing the rounds at one time, that they refused to enter partnership with another well known Glasgow lawyer, Tom Risk, as being called Delay, Worry, Expense and Risk was a step too far.Nigel_Foremain said:
Boris Johnson tried to get on top of his brief, but Lord Pannick said he was not that sort of chap. (it is a great name for a lawyer)OnlyLivingBoy said:Kudos to Williamson. My wife, who is a great judge of character, met him once and said he was very nice and seemed on top of his brief.
My favourite (disbarred) solicitor, step forward Anal Sheikh.
https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/court-enema-vexatious-litigant-anal-sheikh
Dolittle & Dalley
www.doolittle-dalley.co.uk
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Then they own whatever happens next...Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.0 -
You did indeed. A much more comfortable phrasing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ahem, I used the word heritage.Omnium said:
I think it was @TSE that pointed out we could have an Indian and a Pakistani deciding on the partition of Great Britain. (They are both firstly British of course)Emerald said:
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.malcolmg said:
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.Emerald said:
do you know him personally?malcolmg said:
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.Fairliered said:
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.malcolmg said:
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.Theuniondivvie said:
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.CarlottaVance said:
Reward for helping Humza get his job?Theuniondivvie said:A few folk left raging doubtless.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..0 -
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that if he won he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.1 -
His typical thick nasty vindictive self to the end.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio1 -
I’m blaming Scot Nattery in its totality.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
See I made a huge mistake today.
My mum thinks I’ve only ever been co-respondent once in divorce hearings.
Stupidly I confessed to the real number, which is three.
I was danger of getting sent to my room.1 -
"Kate Forbes: Defeated SNP leadership candidate leaves government"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-651059511 -
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.Driver said:
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.0 -
Wow, that must be rare, by definition.NickyBreakspear said:
In St Albans we have a EVIIIRBlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
UNLESS Mrs Simpson had a "sweetheart" no-bid contract with GPO for say 10,000 of these?0 -
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 17 -
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...malcolmg said:
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.Driver said:
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.0 -
Offered her a massive demotion. He must have known she would turn it down. Queen over the water now. SNP definitely split down the middle now.Andy_JS said:"Kate Forbes: Defeated SNP leadership candidate leaves government"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-651059511 -
i take it you are not a fan. How did he rise so far so fast then.malcolmg said:
His typical thick nasty vindictive self to the end.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio0 -
You could not make it upScott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio1 -
I mean, who was proved right?Carnyx said:
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...malcolmg said:
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.Driver said:
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.0 -
There are a few dozen about, noting that there were a fair number of new housing estates being completed in the 1930s, so not that surprising a fair few finished on Eddie's brief watch and had a postbox installed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Wow, that must be rare, by definition.NickyBreakspear said:
In St Albans we have a EVIIIRBlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
UNLESS Mrs Simpson had a "sweetheart" no-bid contract with GPO for say 10,000 of these?1 -
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 10 -
Edward VII has some similarities to Charles III, was Prince of Wales for most of his life, only becoming King in his 60s after the very long reign of his mother. He had a relatively short 9 year reign but proved to be a more successful monarch than many had predicted he would beydoethur said:
That was Edward VIII. Edward VII was 1901-10 and would just have shagged her.Carnyx said:
Mr Simpson-to-be.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
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He was in the cabal came straight from Uni and best pals with Sturgeon, nasty and useless. They are doomed now for sure.Emerald said:
i take it you are not a fan. How did he rise so far so fast then.malcolmg said:
His typical thick nasty vindictive self to the end.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio0 -
I think that suits him though. Infighting rather than doing anything.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 10 -
That's like seeing one coin toss and fall heads and assuming it will always fall heads.Driver said:
I mean, who was proved right?Carnyx said:
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...malcolmg said:
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.Driver said:
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
I was ome of those of us who anticipated a Yousaf lead but a Forbes catchip on the Regan vote.
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He really does live up to his name, nobody could be more useless.Carnyx said:
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...malcolmg said:
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.Driver said:
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.0 -
What odds Yousaf never gets the chance to fight a Holyrood election?HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
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John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 12 -
I was thinking too hes a muslim and Sunaks a hindu. Muslims and hindus have a history of not liking each other.malcolmg said:
He was in the cabal came straight from Uni and best pals with Sturgeon, nasty and useless. They are doomed now for sure.Emerald said:
i take it you are not a fan. How did he rise so far so fast then.malcolmg said:
His typical thick nasty vindictive self to the end.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio0 -
odds on and plummetting I would suspect. The seat warmers at Westminster will be bricking it as they are first for the chop.numbertwelve said:
What odds Yousaf never gets the chance to fight a Holyrood election?HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 11 -
Lol. Even after being proved wrong you won't admit it.Carnyx said:
That's like seeing one coin toss and fall heads and assuming it will always fall heads.Driver said:
I mean, who was proved right?Carnyx said:
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...malcolmg said:
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.Driver said:
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
I was ome of those of us who anticipated a Yousaf lead but a Forbes catchip on the Regan vote.
I predicted that (a) the new SNP leader would get all or nearly all SNP votes; and (b) the other parties would not coalesce around a single candidate; and therefore the new SNP leader would be the new FM.
All true, albeit nowhere near the toss of a coin in odds!0 -
As Ohnotnow says, a bit difficult to give her a job when she's been saying precisely that. But there is inevitably an added edge to a Glaswegian offering a Highlander the rural affairs job.malcolmg said:
He really does live up to his name, nobody could be more useless.Carnyx said:
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...malcolmg said:
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.Driver said:
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.0 -
It is simply a decision of someone who is unfit for the post and will prompt an internal civil warmalcolmg said:
You could not make it upScott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio0 -
Humza to follow Sturgeon's tried and tested plan
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You were right about that bit - but only once we knew who won the party leadership. That was the much more critical one, opening up other options. Minority, sure, but not trivial.Driver said:
Lol. Even after being proved wrong you won't admit it.Carnyx said:
That's like seeing one coin toss and fall heads and assuming it will always fall heads.Driver said:
I mean, who was proved right?Carnyx said:
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...malcolmg said:
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.Driver said:
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
I was ome of those of us who anticipated a Yousaf lead but a Forbes catchip on the Regan vote.
I predicted that (a) the new SNP leader would get all or nearly all SNP votes; and (b) the other parties would not coalesce around a single candidate; and therefore the new SNP leader would be the new FM.
All true, albeit nowhere near the toss of a coin in odds!0 -
Condolences to SeanT and his various aliases.0
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That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 12 -
An old acquaintance of mine used to go around the country 'collecting' the various styles of phone box. He also created his own ?Stogumber? telephone exchange.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
There are a few dozen about, noting that there were a fair number of new housing estates being completed in the 1930s, so not that surprising a fair few finished on Eddie's brief watch and had a postbox installed.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Wow, that must be rare, by definition.NickyBreakspear said:
In St Albans we have a EVIIIRBlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
UNLESS Mrs Simpson had a "sweetheart" no-bid contract with GPO for say 10,000 of these?0 -
William Hill is one of the main items on the BBC 6 O'clock news.0
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I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 10 -
I liked this comment: "But, he adds, AI has one fundamental problem: “Hallucination. It just makes stuff up. Which can be a problem if you’ve asked it to plan a seven-day itinerary.”"Scott_xP said:custom written for Leon...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/can-a-bot-plan-a-holiday-better-than-a-human-we-put-it-to-the-test-xfrjz0r3j
TL:DR no0 -
It does look like he's sewn up the trance vote on Scotland... to coin s phrase.
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Agreed. Absolutely brilliant. Not sure I have ever really considered it a country song though.MarqueeMark said:
Copperhead Road is one of the best country songs of all time.Nigelb said:
Similarly the Copperhead:Pulpstar said:
I had no idea "Minuteman" (I've looked it up now) referred to an early US militia. I've always associated the word with the ICBM.Malmesbury said:
The supporting views behind the 2A varied. A major one was not having a standing army - which was held to be immoral. The myth of the Minuteman was borne out of this hatred of a standing army, which in turn was seen as the feature of tyranny.Theuniondivvie said:
FptMalmesbury said:
The original (ha ha) intent was -kamski said:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.Driver said:
Not really, since they have to deal with the Second Amendment, and a Supreme Court that interprets it literally.LostPassword said:
Not really. Entirely consistent with Republican dogma that has sought to discredit the government, state agencies, etc, at every turn, as part of their ideology of small government.Nigelb said:Surprising honesty from Republican congressman.
REPORTER: "Do you think there's any role for congress to play in reaction [to the Tennessee shooting]?"
BURCHETT: "I don't see any real role that we could do other than mess things up."
https://mobile.twitter.com/brenonade/status/1640514060532711429
In that sense it is dishonest because there is plenty that Congress could do on gun control, if it so chose, that would improve the situation without messing it up.
Not sure how you interpret that literally. It's gibberish.
"A well regulated Militia" - the militia was the volunteer army created by getting everyone to down tools and get their guns.
"being necessary to the security of a free State" - there was a deep belief that the militia with their rifled hunting guns had seen off the British professionals. This was a myth. It took George Washington a lot of effort to train the army to be... professional.
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" - it was believed that if you had a bunch of hardy frontiersmen, with their trusty long rifles, all able to shoot the corners of an ace of spades at a zillion yards, from hunting all the time... well, then you wouldn't need a standing army.
Of course a government of slave owners would be quite keen on the right to keep and bear arms, what with having to protect/control their living chattels.
A lot of the opposition to slavery was around the idea of slave catching patrols and having a standing paramilitary force checking papers etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M712_Copperhead
Also, during the Civil War, a citizen in the North who opposed the war and advocated restoration of the Union through negotiated settlement with the South.
And of course a venomous snake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSbuawoNpvQ&ab_channel=SteveEarle-Topic0 -
Which happened, just that HY (Scottish) was too far ahead in 1st preferences.Carnyx said:
That's like seeing one coin toss and fall heads and assuming it will always fall heads.Driver said:
I mean, who was proved right?Carnyx said:
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...malcolmg said:
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.Driver said:
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
I was ome of those of us who anticipated a Yousaf lead but a Forbes catchip on the Regan vote.
In part because SNP "leadership" actively suppressed bad news re: membership? As part of the hurry-up-and-vote, fix-is-already-in "process" for electing . . . him?0 -
Suspect that after a few years we'll be hard pressed to find anyone who did vote for him - except the MSPs of course.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.1 -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/27/humza-yousaf-snp-work-prevent-coalition-support-splintering
'Yousaf also neutralises the perennial Tory attack advert that depicts the Labour leader in the SNP’s pocket, as he lacks the profile of either of his predecessors.'
A point made bu one of us yesterday ...0 -
Perhaps yet he won by such a narrow lead he needed to offer Forbes more than just rural affairs when she was already Finance Secretary. The last leadership election winner to so snub her former rivals was one Liz Truss who packed her Cabinet almost entirely with loyalists. We all know how that turned out for her!SirNorfolkPassmore said:
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 10 -
Portillo didn't stand for the leadership until 2001 and wasn't even considered a contender until 1995.Omnium said:
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
1990 was Major v Heseltine v Hurd once Thatcher dropped out1 -
Not surprised let somebody sign up and lose £23,000 in 20 minsAndy_JS said:William Hill is one of the main items on the BBC 6 O'clock news.
FFS how is that even possible0 -
I don't think we have any left-end SNP folk on this site, anyway. They'd be too busy fighting with Carlotta on the identity stuff.Burgessian said:
Suspect that after a few years we'll be hard pressed to find anyone who did vote for him - except the MSPs of course.Carnyx said:
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.TheScreamingEagles said:
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.Carnyx said:
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.SandyRentool said:
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?BlancheLivermore said:If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.0 -
Heseltine only became DPM in 1995.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 11 -
What did for Hezza were polls that showed Major was just as popular with the public as him. Otherwise I think he might have edged it.Omnium said:
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 11 -
Is it possible, that Humza Yousef just might surprise . . . to coin a phrase . . . on the upside???
(Am ducking for cover under my desk!!!)0 -
Sure. I was thinking of the general picture of Tory aspirants.HYUFD said:
Portillo didn't stand for the leadership until 2001 and wasn't even considered a contender until 1995.Omnium said:
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
1990 was Major v Heseltine v Hurd once Thatcher dropped out1 -
He has.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Is it possible, that Humza Yousef just might surprise . . . to coin a phrase . . . on the upside???
(Am ducking for cover under my desk!!!)
He's been in post for 30 hours and so far he hasn't blown up the party to the extent people are calling for him to resign.0 -
It's been quite a while - but I don't remember Heseltine standing at a hustings with Major saying "You're useless mate. Absolutely useless."HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 10 -
WHY OH WHY ISN’T WOKE USELESS OFFERING THE SCOTCH ANN WIDDECOMB DFM?!HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
etc0 -
I've just had a holiday idea
I wonder if I could get seven Welsh and/or Cornish bishops and/or monks to write letters to the top chaps at the seven Breton religious sites I'll be visiting
I could hand deliver them, brought through Brittany entirely on foot as part of my 'pilgrimage'
And wear my Royal Mail shirt as I do
Does anyone know any Welsh or Cornish bishops or monks?2 -
Major also had a 14% lead over Heseltine in the final round in 1990 in terms of Conservative MPs backing and would likely have won by even more with the members as Thatcher's anointed heir, Yousaf won by just 4% amongst SNP membersohnotnow said:
It's been quite a while - but I don't remember Heseltine standing at a hustings with Major saying "You're useless mate. Absolutely useless."HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Conservative_Party_leadership_election0 -
Pigs might FlySeaShantyIrish2 said:Is it possible, that Humza Yousef just might surprise . . . to coin a phrase . . . on the upside???
(Am ducking for cover under my desk!!!)0 -
I imagine it was a condition of the Greens staying onside.Theuniondivvie said:
WHY OH WHY ISN’T WOKE USELESS OFFERING THE SCOTCH ANN WIDDECOMB DFM?!HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
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He had a lot of support when he was Not M Thatcher.Omnium said:
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
As soon as there were other Not MT candidates much of it melted away.1 -
Why not? Truss did.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Is it possible, that Humza Yousef just might surprise . . . to coin a phrase . . . on the upside???
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Malcolm is actually an expectation management bot run by the Murrells.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Is it possible, that Humza Yousef just might surprise . . . to coin a phrase . . . on the upside???
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To match Liz Truss he'd have to inadvertently bring about the reunification of the British Isles.DougSeal said:
Why not? Truss did.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Is it possible, that Humza Yousef just might surprise . . . to coin a phrase . . . on the upside???
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Have you seen Leon’s posts?bigjohnowls said:
Not surprised let somebody sign up and lose £23,000 in 20 minsAndy_JS said:William Hill is one of the main items on the BBC 6 O'clock news.
FFS how is that even possible
He’s PB’s best anti-tipster.
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One interesting piece of trivia about that leadership election is that nobody at any stage got more votes than Thatcher.dixiedean said:
He had a lot of support when he was Not M Thatcher.Omnium said:
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
As soon as there were other Not MT candidates much of it melted away.0 -
Have the USA really transferred a 5.9% share of their defence budget to Ukraine as military aid? Obviously they had transferred an awful lot, but given the size of their budget I'd have guessed a far lower percentage.
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This post will be fun to fish out when she's the new leader and you're finding reasons to defend her.Theuniondivvie said:
WHY OH WHY ISN’T WOKE USELESS OFFERING THE SCOTCH ANN WIDDECOMB DFM?!HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
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If Yousaf was smarter than he is, he would have offered Forbes the Health Secretary post. Not only is it a suitably senior job for someone who ran him so close, he could have said “You said I was a failure as Health Secretary. Let’s see you do better”. (Unless, of course, he knew that she would do better than him.)HYUFD said:
Perhaps yet he won by such a narrow lead he needed to offer Forbes more than just rural affairs when she was already Finance Secretary. The last leadership election winner to so snub her former rivals was one Liz Truss who packed her Cabinet almost entirely with loyalists. We all know how that turned out for her!SirNorfolkPassmore said:
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 17 -
That's one reading of events. The other is that she wanted her supporters to transfer to Major and most of them did.dixiedean said:
He had a lot of support when he was Not M Thatcher.Omnium said:
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
As soon as there were other Not MT candidates much of it melted away.0 -
Enoch Powell’s ghost is howling!Emerald said:
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.malcolmg said:
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.Emerald said:
do you know him personally?malcolmg said:
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.Fairliered said:
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.malcolmg said:
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.Theuniondivvie said:
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.CarlottaVance said:
Reward for helping Humza get his job?Theuniondivvie said:A few folk left raging doubtless.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..0 -
Cough..Carnyx said:
I don't think we have any left-end SNP folk on this site, anyway. They'd be too busy fighting with Carlotta on the identity stuff.
Apparently even quoting news verbatim means I’m obsessed with the identity stuff, so presumably I’m fighting CV by default. Bit of a David and Goliath scenario mind with my puny couple of dozen posts v. hunners on the subject.0 -
What political party would find itself in such dire straits they ditch the leader they just appointed in order to bring in the losing candidate?Luckyguy1983 said:
This post will be fun to fish out when she's the new leader and you're finding reasons to defend her.Theuniondivvie said:
WHY OH WHY ISN’T WOKE USELESS OFFERING THE SCOTCH ANN WIDDECOMB DFM?!HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
etc
Ok, the Tories and the DUP, but happening three times?2 -
Perhaps even outperform Ms Truss!SeaShantyIrish2 said:Is it possible, that Humza Yousef just might surprise . . . to coin a phrase . . . on the upside???
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You should visit Hampstead. I understand they have SeanIT, SeanIIT, SeanIIIT, SeanIVT, SeanVT, SeanVIT, SeanVIIT and SeanVIIIT postboxes.BlancheLivermore said:I've just had a holiday idea
I wonder if I could get seven Welsh and/or Cornish bishops and/or monks to write letters to the top chaps at the seven Breton religious sites I'll be visiting
I could hand deliver them, brought through Brittany entirely on foot as part of my 'pilgrimage'
And wear my Royal Mail shirt as I do
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And the aftermath of leadership elections has got a bit more gangster shootout since the days of Major and his cabinet of chums.ohnotnow said:
It's been quite a while - but I don't remember Heseltine standing at a hustings with Major saying "You're useless mate. Absolutely useless."HYUFD said:
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 yearsohnotnow said:
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.HYUFD said:
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.Scott_xP said:@KieranPAndrews
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Truss and Bozza both exiled defeated rivals to the far extremities. So did May and even Starmer to a degree.
Speaks to me of parties not really knowing what they're for and using leadership elections to decide that. In the SNP's case, is it right-leaning old rural nationalists or left-leaning young urban nationalists.
If they can't live under the same roof, that's a problem for the independence cause. Because you need both (plus some more) to get above fifty percent.0
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