Kudos to Williamson. My wife, who is a great judge of character, met him once and said he was very nice and seemed on top of his brief.
Boris Johnson tried to get on top of his brief, but Lord Pannick said he was not that sort of chap. (it is a great name for a lawyer)
There used to be a Glasgow law firm called Maclay, Murray and Spens, nicknamed Delay, Worry and Expense. There was a story doing the rounds at one time, that they refused to enter partnership with another well known Glasgow lawyer, Tom Risk, as being called Delay, Worry, Expense and Risk was a step too far.
Wasn't there also (genuinely) one in the midlands called Doolittle and Dally?
There was Wright Hassell....
No was, still is a Wright Hassell.
My favourite (disbarred) solicitor, step forward Anal Sheikh.
Among her numerous applications, in 2017 Sheikh sought the impeachment of Lord Phillips, Lord Justice Briggs, Lord Justice Henderson and Sir Terence Etherton for conspiracy to commit identity theft.
Sheikh accused Lord Philips of apparently giving a number of conspirators (including Burges Salmon, The Law Society and The Bank of Ireland) access to empty courtrooms where Lord Justice Briggs “impersonated a judge and staged enactments of trials.
He put on his judicial robes and wig, used the empty courtrooms and bribed court [sic] to stand around to pretend that a hearing was taking place, which it was not.”
Sheikh described Briggs' involvement in this "fraudulent instrument" as "the greatest risk ever known in the history of the civilised world".
Kudos to Williamson. My wife, who is a great judge of character, met him once and said he was very nice and seemed on top of his brief.
Boris Johnson tried to get on top of his brief, but Lord Pannick said he was not that sort of chap. (it is a great name for a lawyer)
There used to be a Glasgow law firm called Maclay, Murray and Spens, nicknamed Delay, Worry and Expense. There was a story doing the rounds at one time, that they refused to enter partnership with another well known Glasgow lawyer, Tom Risk, as being called Delay, Worry, Expense and Risk was a step too far.
Wasn't there also (genuinely) one in the midlands called Doolittle and Dally?
There was Wright Hassell....
No was, still is a Wright Hassell.
My favourite (disbarred) solicitor, step forward Anal Sheikh.
Among her numerous applications, in 2017 Sheikh sought the impeachment of Lord Phillips, Lord Justice Briggs, Lord Justice Henderson and Sir Terence Etherton for conspiracy to commit identity theft.
Sheikh accused Lord Philips of apparently giving a number of conspirators (including Burges Salmon, The Law Society and The Bank of Ireland) access to empty courtrooms where Lord Justice Briggs “impersonated a judge and staged enactments of trials.
He put on his judicial robes and wig, used the empty courtrooms and bribed court [sic] to stand around to pretend that a hearing was taking place, which it was not.”
Sheikh described Briggs' involvement in this "fraudulent instrument" as "the greatest risk ever known in the history of the civilised world".
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Reward for helping Humza get his job?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.
do you know him personally?
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.
I think it was @TSE that pointed out we could have an Indian and a Pakistani deciding on the partition of Great Britain. (They are both firstly British of course)
Sounds like Humza Yousaf offered Kate Forbes a new role and she's turned it down. Off to the back benches.
The losers in these sorts of contests probably want to retain an at least equivalent level role, for face saving purposes, and she was in a position he really needed to have a key ally in, so seems inevitable.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Reward for helping Humza get his job?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.
do you know him personally?
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.
Plus a woman of South Asian descent as Enoch Powell impersonator?
Speaking as a wokish American, truly impressive achievement, by UK South Asians AND the rest of you UKers.
Britons (especially Little Englanders?) may tend to exaggerate (just a wee bit?) contemporary British worldwide influence, leadership & prestige.
But the ethnic (if not so much cultural) diversity of UK elected political leadership today, is an area where I think you UNDERESTIMATE.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Reward for helping Humza get his job?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.
do you know him personally?
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.
I think it was @TSE that pointed out we could have an Indian and a Pakistani deciding on the partition of Great Britain. (They are both firstly British of course)
Well, a Scottish separatist would not accept a British political identity, so not exactly.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Reward for helping Humza get his job?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.
do you know him personally?
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.
I think it was @TSE that pointed out we could have an Indian and a Pakistani deciding on the partition of Great Britain. (They are both firstly British of course)
Kudos to Williamson. My wife, who is a great judge of character, met him once and said he was very nice and seemed on top of his brief.
Boris Johnson tried to get on top of his brief, but Lord Pannick said he was not that sort of chap. (it is a great name for a lawyer)
There used to be a Glasgow law firm called Maclay, Murray and Spens, nicknamed Delay, Worry and Expense. There was a story doing the rounds at one time, that they refused to enter partnership with another well known Glasgow lawyer, Tom Risk, as being called Delay, Worry, Expense and Risk was a step too far.
Wasn't there also (genuinely) one in the midlands called Doolittle and Dally?
There was Wright Hassell....
No was, still is a Wright Hassell.
My favourite (disbarred) solicitor, step forward Anal Sheikh.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Reward for helping Humza get his job?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.
do you know him personally?
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.
I think it was @TSE that pointed out we could have an Indian and a Pakistani deciding on the partition of Great Britain. (They are both firstly British of course)
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that if he won he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
In St Albans we have a EVIIIR
Wow, that must be rare, by definition.
UNLESS Mrs Simpson had a "sweetheart" no-bid contract with GPO for say 10,000 of these?
There are a few dozen about, noting that there were a fair number of new housing estates being completed in the 1930s, so not that surprising a fair few finished on Eddie's brief watch and had a postbox installed.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Mr Simpson-to-be.
That was Edward VIII. Edward VII was 1901-10 and would just have shagged her.
Edward VII has some similarities to Charles III, was Prince of Wales for most of his life, only becoming King in his 60s after the very long reign of his mother. He had a relatively short 9 year reign but proved to be a more successful monarch than many had predicted he would be
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
I think that suits him though. Infighting rather than doing anything.
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...
I mean, who was proved right?
That's like seeing one coin toss and fall heads and assuming it will always fall heads.
I was ome of those of us who anticipated a Yousaf lead but a Forbes catchip on the Regan vote.
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...
He really does live up to his name, nobody could be more useless.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
What odds Yousaf never gets the chance to fight a Holyrood election?
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
What odds Yousaf never gets the chance to fight a Holyrood election?
odds on and plummetting I would suspect. The seat warmers at Westminster will be bricking it as they are first for the chop.
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...
I mean, who was proved right?
That's like seeing one coin toss and fall heads and assuming it will always fall heads.
I was ome of those of us who anticipated a Yousaf lead but a Forbes catchip on the Regan vote.
Lol. Even after being proved wrong you won't admit it.
I predicted that (a) the new SNP leader would get all or nearly all SNP votes; and (b) the other parties would not coalesce around a single candidate; and therefore the new SNP leader would be the new FM.
All true, albeit nowhere near the toss of a coin in odds!
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...
He really does live up to his name, nobody could be more useless.
As Ohnotnow says, a bit difficult to give her a job when she's been saying precisely that. But there is inevitably an added edge to a Glaswegian offering a Highlander the rural affairs job.
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...
I mean, who was proved right?
That's like seeing one coin toss and fall heads and assuming it will always fall heads.
I was ome of those of us who anticipated a Yousaf lead but a Forbes catchip on the Regan vote.
Lol. Even after being proved wrong you won't admit it.
I predicted that (a) the new SNP leader would get all or nearly all SNP votes; and (b) the other parties would not coalesce around a single candidate; and therefore the new SNP leader would be the new FM.
All true, albeit nowhere near the toss of a coin in odds!
You were right about that bit - but only once we knew who won the party leadership. That was the much more critical one, opening up other options. Minority, sure, but not trivial.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
In St Albans we have a EVIIIR
Wow, that must be rare, by definition.
UNLESS Mrs Simpson had a "sweetheart" no-bid contract with GPO for say 10,000 of these?
There are a few dozen about, noting that there were a fair number of new housing estates being completed in the 1930s, so not that surprising a fair few finished on Eddie's brief watch and had a postbox installed.
An old acquaintance of mine used to go around the country 'collecting' the various styles of phone box. He also created his own ?Stogumber? telephone exchange.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.
I liked this comment: "But, he adds, AI has one fundamental problem: “Hallucination. It just makes stuff up. Which can be a problem if you’ve asked it to plan a seven-day itinerary.”"
Not really. Entirely consistent with Republican dogma that has sought to discredit the government, state agencies, etc, at every turn, as part of their ideology of small government.
In that sense it is dishonest because there is plenty that Congress could do on gun control, if it so chose, that would improve the situation without messing it up.
Not really, since they have to deal with the Second Amendment, and a Supreme Court that interprets it literally.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Not sure how you interpret that literally. It's gibberish.
The original (ha ha) intent was -
"A well regulated Militia" - the militia was the volunteer army created by getting everyone to down tools and get their guns.
"being necessary to the security of a free State" - there was a deep belief that the militia with their rifled hunting guns had seen off the British professionals. This was a myth. It took George Washington a lot of effort to train the army to be... professional.
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" - it was believed that if you had a bunch of hardy frontiersmen, with their trusty long rifles, all able to shoot the corners of an ace of spades at a zillion yards, from hunting all the time... well, then you wouldn't need a standing army.
Fpt
Of course a government of slave owners would be quite keen on the right to keep and bear arms, what with having to protect/control their living chattels.
The supporting views behind the 2A varied. A major one was not having a standing army - which was held to be immoral. The myth of the Minuteman was borne out of this hatred of a standing army, which in turn was seen as the feature of tyranny.
A lot of the opposition to slavery was around the idea of slave catching patrols and having a standing paramilitary force checking papers etc.
I had no idea "Minuteman" (I've looked it up now) referred to an early US militia. I've always associated the word with the ICBM.
Also, during the Civil War, a citizen in the North who opposed the war and advocated restoration of the Union through negotiated settlement with the South. And of course a venomous snake.
Copperhead Road is one of the best country songs of all time.
If anyone’s interested in old postboxes, I’ve got a VR and an EVIIR on my route
Elizabeth the Seventh? Have I missed something?
Yes, the Nazi King, the divorcée, and the Singapore Grip.
That's us both out of the Cub Scouts for having a crap Royal, sorry National, Scrapbook.
In my defence I’ve spent the afternoon. getting an earful from my mother. It’s your fault.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
Not my fault. I didn't vote for him as FM. The MSPs did.
If you voted for him for SNP leader, you did so in the full knowledge that he would be elected FM immediately thereafter. As I explained to you beforehand and you preposterously denied.
Can only hope Carnyx was more intelligent than to vote for that roaster.
Oh, I'm intelligent. I am certainly more intelligent than those who believe, given the numbers and the SGs, that the FM after Ms S would automatically be SNP. For a start, with that very close margin ...
I mean, who was proved right?
That's like seeing one coin toss and fall heads and assuming it will always fall heads.
I was ome of those of us who anticipated a Yousaf lead but a Forbes catchip on the Regan vote.
Which happened, just that HY (Scottish) was too far ahead in 1st preferences.
In part because SNP "leadership" actively suppressed bad news re: membership? As part of the hurry-up-and-vote, fix-is-already-in "process" for electing . . . him?
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.
Perhaps yet he won by such a narrow lead he needed to offer Forbes more than just rural affairs when she was already Finance Secretary. The last leadership election winner to so snub her former rivals was one Liz Truss who packed her Cabinet almost entirely with loyalists. We all know how that turned out for her!
'Yousaf also neutralises the perennial Tory attack advert that depicts the Labour leader in the SNP’s pocket, as he lacks the profile of either of his predecessors.'
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.
Portillo didn't stand for the leadership until 2001 and wasn't even considered a contender until 1995.
1990 was Major v Heseltine v Hurd once Thatcher dropped out
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.
What did for Hezza were polls that showed Major was just as popular with the public as him. Otherwise I think he might have edged it.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.
Portillo didn't stand for the leadership until 2001 and wasn't even considered a contender until 1995.
1990 was Major v Heseltine v Hurd once Thatcher dropped out
Sure. I was thinking of the general picture of Tory aspirants.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
It's been quite a while - but I don't remember Heseltine standing at a hustings with Major saying "You're useless mate. Absolutely useless."
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
WHY OH WHY ISN’T WOKE USELESS OFFERING THE SCOTCH ANN WIDDECOMB DFM?!
I wonder if I could get seven Welsh and/or Cornish bishops and/or monks to write letters to the top chaps at the seven Breton religious sites I'll be visiting
I could hand deliver them, brought through Brittany entirely on foot as part of my 'pilgrimage'
And wear my Royal Mail shirt as I do
Does anyone know any Welsh or Cornish bishops or monks?
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
It's been quite a while - but I don't remember Heseltine standing at a hustings with Major saying "You're useless mate. Absolutely useless."
Major also had a 14% lead over Heseltine in the final round in 1990 in terms of Conservative MPs backing and would likely have won by even more with the members as Thatcher's anointed heir, Yousaf won by just 4% amongst SNP members
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
WHY OH WHY ISN’T WOKE USELESS OFFERING THE SCOTCH ANN WIDDECOMB DFM?!
etc
I imagine it was a condition of the Greens staying onside.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.
He had a lot of support when he was Not M Thatcher. As soon as there were other Not MT candidates much of it melted away.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.
He had a lot of support when he was Not M Thatcher. As soon as there were other Not MT candidates much of it melted away.
One interesting piece of trivia about that leadership election is that nobody at any stage got more votes than Thatcher.
Have the USA really transferred a 5.9% share of their defence budget to Ukraine as military aid? Obviously they had transferred an awful lot, but given the size of their budget I'd have guessed a far lower percentage.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
WHY OH WHY ISN’T WOKE USELESS OFFERING THE SCOTCH ANN WIDDECOMB DFM?!
etc
This post will be fun to fish out when she's the new leader and you're finding reasons to defend her.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.
Perhaps yet he won by such a narrow lead he needed to offer Forbes more than just rural affairs when she was already Finance Secretary. The last leadership election winner to so snub her former rivals was one Liz Truss who packed her Cabinet almost entirely with loyalists. We all know how that turned out for her!
If Yousaf was smarter than he is, he would have offered Forbes the Health Secretary post. Not only is it a suitably senior job for someone who ran him so close, he could have said “You said I was a failure as Health Secretary. Let’s see you do better”. (Unless, of course, he knew that she would do better than him.)
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
That was a very genteel contest once Thatcher dropped out, though. Heseltine was standing to ditch Thatcher - part of his difficulty was that he didn't really have a quarrel with Major or Hurd, and his best chance was her fighting on. Also makes a difference that there weren't public hustings.
I'm not sure that Heseltine ever had much support. I recall (possibly wrongly) that Portillo had a far greater backing.
He had a lot of support when he was Not M Thatcher. As soon as there were other Not MT candidates much of it melted away.
That's one reading of events. The other is that she wanted her supporters to transfer to Major and most of them did.
Istr at least one PBer who had professional contact with Robison found her pleasant and on top of her brief, but what would he know?
Reward for helping Humza get his job?
Robison introduced the GRR bill…..
I knew I could depend on you for the GRR angle.
She is a duffer among duffers as well, one of Sturgeon's besties surprise surprise.
If Yousaf wanted to try to unite the SNP, he would have appointed Forbes as his deputy.
No way that arse would appoint her, he is a vindictive nasty git and will give her a crap job hoping she will fail, likely health that he has already wrecked.
do you know him personally?
I have seen the results of his efforts over the years and a 10 year old could have done no worse.
Interesting. We now have a man of south asian descent as scottish first minster, a man of indian descent as PM and a man of south asian descent as mayor of london.
I don't think we have any left-end SNP folk on this site, anyway. They'd be too busy fighting with Carlotta on the identity stuff.
Cough..
Apparently even quoting news verbatim means I’m obsessed with the identity stuff, so presumably I’m fighting CV by default. Bit of a David and Goliath scenario mind with my puny couple of dozen posts v. hunners on the subject.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
WHY OH WHY ISN’T WOKE USELESS OFFERING THE SCOTCH ANN WIDDECOMB DFM?!
etc
This post will be fun to fish out when she's the new leader and you're finding reasons to defend her.
What political party would find itself in such dire straits they ditch the leader they just appointed in order to bring in the losing candidate?
Ok, the Tories and the DUP, but happening three times?
I wonder if I could get seven Welsh and/or Cornish bishops and/or monks to write letters to the top chaps at the seven Breton religious sites I'll be visiting
I could hand deliver them, brought through Brittany entirely on foot as part of my 'pilgrimage'
And wear my Royal Mail shirt as I do
Does anyone know any Welsh or Cornish bishops or monks?
You should visit Hampstead. I understand they have SeanIT, SeanIIT, SeanIIIT, SeanIVT, SeanVT, SeanVIT, SeanVIIT and SeanVIIIT postboxes.
@KieranPAndrews NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
What an idiot Yousaf was there, she has 48% of SNP members behind her and is more popular with Scots overall than he is, he should have at least offered her Deputy FM or Finance.
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
Hard to offer her DFM when she's spent the past few weeks saying he's useless.
John Major made Heseltine, his leadership rival in 1990, DPM and stayed PM for 7 years
It's been quite a while - but I don't remember Heseltine standing at a hustings with Major saying "You're useless mate. Absolutely useless."
And the aftermath of leadership elections has got a bit more gangster shootout since the days of Major and his cabinet of chums.
Truss and Bozza both exiled defeated rivals to the far extremities. So did May and even Starmer to a degree.
Speaks to me of parties not really knowing what they're for and using leadership elections to decide that. In the SNP's case, is it right-leaning old rural nationalists or left-leaning young urban nationalists.
If they can't live under the same roof, that's a problem for the independence cause. Because you need both (plus some more) to get above fifty percent.
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'Hyperbole' doesn't begin to do it justice...
Plus Charles is getting in touch with his feminine side because everyone keeps talking about the Queen. And his mother's name made sense.
So that brings us up to the VII.
There's a rumour that Lord Macbeth and Lady are heading for the divorce courts.
She’s upset that we’ve got an Indian heritage PM and Pakistani heritage FM, and that I didn’t become a doctor.
I told her I could have become a politician but the scandals would have been too much for her.
NEW: Kate Forbes has rejected a job in Humza Yousaf's government and will go to the backbenches
The Times understands she was offered the rural affairs portfolio
Speaking as a wokish American, truly impressive achievement, by UK South Asians AND the rest of you UKers.
Britons (especially Little Englanders?) may tend to exaggerate (just a wee bit?) contemporary British worldwide influence, leadership & prestige.
But the ethnic (if not so much cultural) diversity of UK elected political leadership today, is an area where I think you UNDERESTIMATE.
We've got a GR in town as well, but I've not emptied that one yet
Mind you it was Ian Blackford said it.
Dolittle & Dalley
www.doolittle-dalley.co.uk
See I made a huge mistake today.
My mum thinks I’ve only ever been co-respondent once in divorce hearings.
Stupidly I confessed to the real number, which is three.
I was danger of getting sent to my room.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65105951
UNLESS Mrs Simpson had a "sweetheart" no-bid contract with GPO for say 10,000 of these?
Now Forbes and her supporters will be plotting against him from day 1
I was ome of those of us who anticipated a Yousaf lead but a Forbes catchip on the Regan vote.
I predicted that (a) the new SNP leader would get all or nearly all SNP votes; and (b) the other parties would not coalesce around a single candidate; and therefore the new SNP leader would be the new FM.
All true, albeit nowhere near the toss of a coin in odds!
In part because SNP "leadership" actively suppressed bad news re: membership? As part of the hurry-up-and-vote, fix-is-already-in "process" for electing . . . him?
'Yousaf also neutralises the perennial Tory attack advert that depicts the Labour leader in the SNP’s pocket, as he lacks the profile of either of his predecessors.'
A point made bu one of us yesterday ...
1990 was Major v Heseltine v Hurd once Thatcher dropped out
FFS how is that even possible
(Am ducking for cover under my desk!!!)
He's been in post for 30 hours and so far he hasn't blown up the party to the extent people are calling for him to resign.
etc
I wonder if I could get seven Welsh and/or Cornish bishops and/or monks to write letters to the top chaps at the seven Breton religious sites I'll be visiting
I could hand deliver them, brought through Brittany entirely on foot as part of my 'pilgrimage'
And wear my Royal Mail shirt as I do
Does anyone know any Welsh or Cornish bishops or monks?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Conservative_Party_leadership_election
As soon as there were other Not MT candidates much of it melted away.
He’s PB’s best anti-tipster.
It was him who lost £23k in 20 mins.
https://twitter.com/MollyMcKew/status/1640623424039944194/photo/1
Apparently even quoting news verbatim means I’m obsessed with the identity stuff, so presumably I’m fighting CV by default. Bit of a David and Goliath scenario mind with my puny couple of dozen posts v. hunners on the subject.
Ok, the Tories and the DUP, but happening three times?
Truss and Bozza both exiled defeated rivals to the far extremities. So did May and even Starmer to a degree.
Speaks to me of parties not really knowing what they're for and using leadership elections to decide that. In the SNP's case, is it right-leaning old rural nationalists or left-leaning young urban nationalists.
If they can't live under the same roof, that's a problem for the independence cause. Because you need both (plus some more) to get above fifty percent.