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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    ‘Now,’ he turned back to the menu, ‘I myself will accompany mademoiselle with the caviar, but then I would like a very small “tournedos”, underdone, with “sauce Béarnaise” and a “cœur d’artichaut”. While mademoiselle is enjoying the strawberries, I will have half an avocado pear with a little French dressing.
    Casino Royale (raising the suspicion that Ian Fleming had seen avocado pears on a fancy foreign menu but had actually ordered one).
    Oops. Wrecked my smartarsery by not proofreading. The suspicion is Fleming had *never* actually ordered an avocado pear, since James Bond seems to be having it as a dessert, "while mademoiselle is enjoying the strawberries".
    Indeed.

    In the other hand, Googling for “avocado dessert“ finds quite a few recipes.
    I would be surprised if Fleming were describing it as a dessert given that it's being ordered with vinaigrette.

    There's a UK tradition of ending meals with a savoury like Welsh Rarebit, or cheese - maybe it's that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,406
    Farooq said:

    RobD said:

    Farooq said:

    MaxPB said:

    Italy move to ban the inclusion of insect flour in pizza and pasta grade flours. Must be properly labelled and sold entirely separately to standard flours. Puts them on a collision course with the EU which wanted to silently make insect flour an additive to regular flour without obvious labelling.

    Feels relevant to today's discussion.

    I have to say, spending the last week and a bit in Rome was extremely refreshing for a cynical Brit. The people are fiercely protective of their culture and outsiders must assimilate, not carve out a bunch of special rules they get to live by. A lot to learn for Brits who should be more proud of who we are and our history.

    Far-right lie klaxon

    The designation of the novel food on the
    labelling of the foodstuffs containing it shall
    be ‘Acheta domesticus (house cricket) partially
    defatted powder’.


    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32023R0005&from=EN
    What particular characteristic made it a "far-right lie"?
    It's a lie that is in common circulation in far-right political circles.
    Some conspiracy theories, lies, panics, etc are more common in some ideological circles than in others.
    It's not really a lie though, is it? You might think it's odd to see something sinister and make a big issue of it, but it's not wrong.
  • rcs1000 said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    You should consider eating venison: it's just like meat, only woker.
    Too deer for me.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,436
    rcs1000 said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    You should consider eating venison: it's just like meat, only woker.
    The chances of good meat substitutes on a menu like Venison are fairly fallow though. Chefs need to buck up their ideas.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.

    I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-promises-labour-b2307626.html
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    In New Zealand a meeting by a speaker supporting women’s rights against male violence was broken up by (largely) male violence…..

    There are multiple videos of Kellie-Jay being assaulted. Women have become used to lies, threats of violence and outright denial of reality, but if you imagine anyone feels 'defeated', think again. Your men's rights activists showed the world exactly who they are. #LetWomenSpeak

    https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1639612603302395905?s=20
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,373
    ping said:

    Interesting:



    Back with another strange map of the 2021 Census.

    This time it's the second most popular answer for the question "What is your main language?".

    I really love the fact Yiddish is on this map, but I'll confess I wasn't quite expecting it to be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.


    https://twitter.com/christicorvus/status/1639182767484473349

    I would never have guessed Nepalese would be 2nd most common first language in NINE local authorities??!!!

    Might the explanation be Gurkhas and their families/descendants, concentrated on/near military bases in areas with few other recent immigrants/decendents?

    That’s my best guess.

    I assume the map is correct? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was wrong.

    How many Nepalese people do we have in the UK? There aren’t that many, surely?
    Quite a lot of Gurkhas in Colchester. Couple of Gurkha restaurants too. Never tried them though.
  • I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,436

    ping said:

    Interesting:



    Back with another strange map of the 2021 Census.

    This time it's the second most popular answer for the question "What is your main language?".

    I really love the fact Yiddish is on this map, but I'll confess I wasn't quite expecting it to be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.


    https://twitter.com/christicorvus/status/1639182767484473349

    I would never have guessed Nepalese would be 2nd most common first language in NINE local authorities??!!!

    Might the explanation be Gurkhas and their families/descendants, concentrated on/near military bases in areas with few other recent immigrants/decendents?

    That’s my best guess.

    I assume the map is correct? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was wrong.

    How many Nepalese people do we have in the UK? There aren’t that many, surely?
    Quite a lot of Gurkhas in Colchester. Couple of Gurkha restaurants too. Never tried them though.
    You really should try them, Gurkhas are renowned for their Kukri skills.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,402
    edited March 2023
    A BBC headline.

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-right with Welsh cakes"

    Would the BBC ever run a headline (mutatis mutandis) like:

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-left with Welsh cakes"?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65057093


  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,402

    ping said:

    Interesting:



    Back with another strange map of the 2021 Census.

    This time it's the second most popular answer for the question "What is your main language?".

    I really love the fact Yiddish is on this map, but I'll confess I wasn't quite expecting it to be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.


    https://twitter.com/christicorvus/status/1639182767484473349

    I would never have guessed Nepalese would be 2nd most common first language in NINE local authorities??!!!

    Might the explanation be Gurkhas and their families/descendants, concentrated on/near military bases in areas with few other recent immigrants/decendents?

    That’s my best guess.

    I assume the map is correct? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was wrong.

    How many Nepalese people do we have in the UK? There aren’t that many, surely?
    Quite a lot of Gurkhas in Colchester. Couple of Gurkha restaurants too. Never tried them though.
    Couldn't eat a whole one.

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,402
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  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,574
    We have crossed some threshold.


    There was a young man in town working the Socialist Worker trestle in *full* Che cosplay.

    He was clearly *totally unaware* of Citizen Smith.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,436
    mwadams said:

    We have crossed some threshold.


    There was a young man in town working the Socialist Worker trestle in *full* Che cosplay.

    He was clearly *totally unaware* of Citizen Smith.

    I imagine he was a very ernesto young man.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,372
    Disturbing footage filmed by Posie Parker herself at a rally in Auckland, New Zealand. Particularly at about 28 mins.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDuy2Kx2HlI
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,006
    algarkirk said:

    ping said:

    Interesting:



    Back with another strange map of the 2021 Census.

    This time it's the second most popular answer for the question "What is your main language?".

    I really love the fact Yiddish is on this map, but I'll confess I wasn't quite expecting it to be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.


    https://twitter.com/christicorvus/status/1639182767484473349

    I would never have guessed Nepalese would be 2nd most common first language in NINE local authorities??!!!

    Might the explanation be Gurkhas and their families/descendants, concentrated on/near military bases in areas with few other recent immigrants/decendents?

    That’s my best guess.

    I assume the map is correct? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was wrong.

    How many Nepalese people do we have in the UK? There aren’t that many, surely?
    Quite a lot of Gurkhas in Colchester. Couple of Gurkha restaurants too. Never tried them though.
    Couldn't eat a whole one.
    Triggers the joke Ali told. He goes into a diner in the days of segregation.

    Owner protests. "Sorry pal. No n*****s here."

    "No problem. I only want a cheeseburger."
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,402

    The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.

    I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-promises-labour-b2307626.html

    Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.

    Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.

    This is an unforced error.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,424

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,436
    algarkirk said:

    The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.

    I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-promises-labour-b2307626.html

    Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.

    Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.

    This is an unforced error.
    What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.

    It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,006
    Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    Farooq said:

    RobD said:

    Farooq said:

    MaxPB said:

    Italy move to ban the inclusion of insect flour in pizza and pasta grade flours. Must be properly labelled and sold entirely separately to standard flours. Puts them on a collision course with the EU which wanted to silently make insect flour an additive to regular flour without obvious labelling.

    Feels relevant to today's discussion.

    I have to say, spending the last week and a bit in Rome was extremely refreshing for a cynical Brit. The people are fiercely protective of their culture and outsiders must assimilate, not carve out a bunch of special rules they get to live by. A lot to learn for Brits who should be more proud of who we are and our history.

    Far-right lie klaxon

    The designation of the novel food on the
    labelling of the foodstuffs containing it shall
    be ‘Acheta domesticus (house cricket) partially
    defatted powder’.


    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32023R0005&from=EN
    What particular characteristic made it a "far-right lie"?
    It's a lie that is in common circulation in far-right political circles.
    Some conspiracy theories, lies, panics, etc are more common in some ideological circles than in others.
    Are there any non-lies in far right discourse?
    Yeah, even the far right are right about some things.
    It's regrettable that they've taken ownership of the discourse around child protection because they do it in such a partial way (they have made it into a point of racial division), but their passion for it is otherwise admirable.

    No ideology is completely immune from being right sometimes.
    On which topic, sort of, Lozza Fox is irate that his son told him he needed consent to kiss him goodnight. Blaming woke. 🥱
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,743
    boulay said:

    ping said:

    Interesting:



    Back with another strange map of the 2021 Census.

    This time it's the second most popular answer for the question "What is your main language?".

    I really love the fact Yiddish is on this map, but I'll confess I wasn't quite expecting it to be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.


    https://twitter.com/christicorvus/status/1639182767484473349

    I would never have guessed Nepalese would be 2nd most common first language in NINE local authorities??!!!

    Might the explanation be Gurkhas and their families/descendants, concentrated on/near military bases in areas with few other recent immigrants/decendents?

    That’s my best guess.

    I assume the map is correct? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was wrong.

    How many Nepalese people do we have in the UK? There aren’t that many, surely?
    Quite a lot of Gurkhas in Colchester. Couple of Gurkha restaurants too. Never tried them though.
    You really should try them, Gurkhas are renowned for their Kukri skills.
    Scene - walking through tall reeds in the Chitwan nature reserve.

    Guide - "Did you bring that khukuri you bought in Kathmandu?"

    Me - "No - why?"

    Guide - "We may be being stalked by a tiger."
  • ping said:

    Interesting:



    Back with another strange map of the 2021 Census.

    This time it's the second most popular answer for the question "What is your main language?".

    I really love the fact Yiddish is on this map, but I'll confess I wasn't quite expecting it to be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.


    https://twitter.com/christicorvus/status/1639182767484473349

    I would never have guessed Nepalese would be 2nd most common first language in NINE local authorities??!!!

    Might the explanation be Gurkhas and their families/descendants, concentrated on/near military bases in areas with few other recent immigrants/decendents?

    That’s my best guess.

    I assume the map is correct? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was wrong.

    How many Nepalese people do we have in the UK? There aren’t that many, surely?
    That's certainly the case in Reading and Aldershot - old soldiers who got to know the area when they were based at Arborfield Barracks.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,743
    mwadams said:

    We have crossed some threshold.


    There was a young man in town working the Socialist Worker trestle in *full* Che cosplay.

    He was clearly *totally unaware* of Citizen Smith.

    Angry Men In Corduroy Trousers And Bicycle Clips need to start somewhere.

    I offend the local ones, these days, by asking them about the dissonance between their Topple The Statues stuff and support for Shamima Begum.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,132
    algarkirk said:

    A BBC headline.

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-right with Welsh cakes"

    Would the BBC ever run a headline (mutatis mutandis) like:

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-left with Welsh cakes"?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65057093


    QTWTAIN
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,132
    algarkirk said:

    A BBC headline.

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-right with Welsh cakes"

    Would the BBC ever run a headline (mutatis mutandis) like:

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-left with Welsh cakes"?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65057093


    QTWTQIN

    ping said:

    Interesting:



    Back with another strange map of the 2021 Census.

    This time it's the second most popular answer for the question "What is your main language?".

    I really love the fact Yiddish is on this map, but I'll confess I wasn't quite expecting it to be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.


    https://twitter.com/christicorvus/status/1639182767484473349

    I would never have guessed Nepalese would be 2nd most common first language in NINE local authorities??!!!

    Might the explanation be Gurkhas and their families/descendants, concentrated on/near military bases in areas with few other recent immigrants/decendents?

    That’s my best guess.

    I assume the map is correct? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was wrong.

    How many Nepalese people do we have in the UK? There aren’t that many, surely?
    That's certainly the case in Reading and Aldershot - old soldiers who got to know the area when they were based at Arborfield Barracks.
    Aldershot (Central) is essentially Nepalese these days.

    Big change since I were young, when it was squaddie central.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,006

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,728
    mwadams said:

    We have crossed some threshold.


    There was a young man in town working the Socialist Worker trestle in *full* Che cosplay.

    He was clearly *totally unaware* of Citizen Smith.

    I often think there's material enough for a kind of CyberNat version of Citizen Smith. Don't fancy being the person dealing with the show's twitter account mind you.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,132
    kinabalu said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
    Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,743
    ohnotnow said:

    mwadams said:

    We have crossed some threshold.


    There was a young man in town working the Socialist Worker trestle in *full* Che cosplay.

    He was clearly *totally unaware* of Citizen Smith.

    I often think there's material enough for a kind of CyberNat version of Citizen Smith. Don't fancy being the person dealing with the show's twitter account mind you.
    Cough Wings Cough Cough
  • kinabalu said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
    Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
    Chill out, dude, go vegan, give up the booze, hug some trees. You'll be better.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,006
    algarkirk said:

    A BBC headline.

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-right with Welsh cakes"

    Would the BBC ever run a headline (mutatis mutandis) like:

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-left with Welsh cakes"?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65057093

    Well no - because they'd need it to happen first.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,739
    Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham has been fined for speeding after admitting driving at 78mph on a motorway where there was a reduced 40mph limit. ... In a statement, Mr Burnham accepted he was "going too fast".

    If his masterplan to become the next Labour prime minister doesn't work out, at least he will have another career option as a presenter of 'Top Gear'.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited March 2023

    algarkirk said:

    A BBC headline.

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-right with Welsh cakes"

    Would the BBC ever run a headline (mutatis mutandis) like:

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-left with Welsh cakes"?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65057093


    QTWTQIN

    ping said:

    Interesting:



    Back with another strange map of the 2021 Census.

    This time it's the second most popular answer for the question "What is your main language?".

    I really love the fact Yiddish is on this map, but I'll confess I wasn't quite expecting it to be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.


    https://twitter.com/christicorvus/status/1639182767484473349

    I would never have guessed Nepalese would be 2nd most common first language in NINE local authorities??!!!

    Might the explanation be Gurkhas and their families/descendants, concentrated on/near military bases in areas with few other recent immigrants/decendents?

    That’s my best guess.

    I assume the map is correct? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was wrong.

    How many Nepalese people do we have in the UK? There aren’t that many, surely?
    That's certainly the case in Reading and Aldershot - old soldiers who got to know the area when they were based at Arborfield Barracks.
    Aldershot (Central) is essentially Nepalese these days.

    Big change since I were young, when it was squaddie central.
    Facts I didn’t know about my country (pt.907)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267
    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,739
    edited March 2023

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,424

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Transporter Bridge is closed for another 18 months for rebuilding and creating a visitor centre.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,739
    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    To get the full effect:

    image
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267
    ...
    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Uncanny!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,226

    boulay said:

    ping said:

    Interesting:



    Back with another strange map of the 2021 Census.

    This time it's the second most popular answer for the question "What is your main language?".

    I really love the fact Yiddish is on this map, but I'll confess I wasn't quite expecting it to be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.


    https://twitter.com/christicorvus/status/1639182767484473349

    I would never have guessed Nepalese would be 2nd most common first language in NINE local authorities??!!!

    Might the explanation be Gurkhas and their families/descendants, concentrated on/near military bases in areas with few other recent immigrants/decendents?

    That’s my best guess.

    I assume the map is correct? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was wrong.

    How many Nepalese people do we have in the UK? There aren’t that many, surely?
    Quite a lot of Gurkhas in Colchester. Couple of Gurkha restaurants too. Never tried them though.
    You really should try them, Gurkhas are renowned for their Kukri skills.
    Scene - walking through tall reeds in the Chitwan nature reserve.

    Guide - "Did you bring that khukuri you bought in Kathmandu?"

    Me - "No - why?"

    Guide - "We may be being stalked by a tiger."
    But was it a Bengal tiger or a farm animal?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Transporter Bridge is closed for another 18 months for rebuilding and creating a visitor centre.
    It always is. Although I did get to go across circa 2004.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,226
    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    Sounds a grave matter.

    Did you make love in dead Ernest?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,659
    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    Sounds a grave matter.

    Did you make love in dead Ernest?
    I hope he had an archdiaconal faculty for that erection in the churchyard.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,424

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Transporter Bridge is closed for another 18 months for rebuilding and creating a visitor centre.
    It always is. Although I did get to go across circa 2004.
    Ditto the Middlesbrough Transporter Bridge. Not sure when that will open again. Looks like the costs keep getting far bigger with each structural report they prepare.

    There is currently now officially no reason to go to Middlesbrough.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,424
    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    Sounds a grave matter.

    Did you make love in dead Ernest?
    Stiffies amongst the stiffs...
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited March 2023
    I miss old school journalism.

    This is what I see when I load the BBC news homepage;



    Why do journos feel the need to insert themselves into stories/headlines?

    I just don’t get it.

    “asks Laura Kuenssberg, as she considers” is entirely unnecessary.

    And why is her opinion/analysis “BREAKING NEWS” ???
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,424
    edited March 2023
    Oh and thanks for mentioning about Picard Series 3.

    I have now lost my wife to it.

    She came in after I think episode 3 and basically went "SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

    And has now departed back to it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,266

    Oh and thanks for mentioning about Picard Series 3.

    I have now lost my wife to it.

    She came in after I think episode 3 and basically went "SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

    And has now departed back to it.

    Squeeeeee !!!!

    That reminds me of some really awful posters on Gallifreybase.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,713

    Oh and thanks for mentioning about Picard Series 3.

    I have now lost my wife to it...

    Sounds drastic.

    A temporary separation would surely have sufficed ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,374
    edited March 2023

    Oh and thanks for mentioning about Picard Series 3.

    I have now lost my wife to it.

    She came in after I think episode 3 and basically went "SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

    And has now departed back to it.

    I’ve booked Friday 21st of April as holiday as that’s when the last episode airs.

    I’ve been squeeing all season.

    The plot could say pineapple does belong on pizza and I wouldn’t mind.

    That’s how good this season has been.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,743
    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.

    I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-promises-labour-b2307626.html

    Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.

    Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.

    This is an unforced error.
    What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.

    It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
    That’s all wrong.

    To start with “criminal” is a pejorative term. Legally Challenged Community (LCC) is much less down punching.

    What is required is a full engagement with stakeholders in the leadership of the LCC, forming a cooperative arrangement between police representatives, government etc.

    By evolving community standards and involvement of LCC leadership a better future can be ensured for all.
  • Heard really good things about the final season of Succession which begins on Monday.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited March 2023

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.

    I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-promises-labour-b2307626.html

    Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.

    Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.

    This is an unforced error.
    What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.

    It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
    That’s all wrong.

    To start with “criminal” is a pejorative term. Legally Challenged Community (LCC) is much less down punching.

    What is required is a full engagement with stakeholders in the leadership of the LCC, forming a cooperative arrangement between police representatives, government etc.

    By evolving community standards and involvement of LCC leadership a better future can be ensured for all.
    Very good!

    Starmer is ripe for mockery when he comes out with this kind of stuff.

    Vote labour to reduce unwanted staring in public by (up to) 8% before 2030!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,406
    ping said:

    I miss old school journalism.

    This is what I see when I load the BBC news homepage;



    Why do journos feel the need to insert themselves into stories/headlines?

    I just don’t get it.

    “asks Laura Kuenssberg, as she considers” is entirely unnecessary.

    And why is her opinion/analysis “BREAKING NEWS” ???

    I think it's done out of nostalgia for the days when the BBC had a near monopoly on broadcasting and could claim to be the voice of the nation, but it just comes across as desperate and needy.
  • Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,266

    algarkirk said:

    A BBC headline.

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-right with Welsh cakes"

    Would the BBC ever run a headline (mutatis mutandis) like:

    "Patriotic Alternative: The town fighting the far-left with Welsh cakes"?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65057093


    QTWTQIN

    ping said:

    Interesting:



    Back with another strange map of the 2021 Census.

    This time it's the second most popular answer for the question "What is your main language?".

    I really love the fact Yiddish is on this map, but I'll confess I wasn't quite expecting it to be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.


    https://twitter.com/christicorvus/status/1639182767484473349

    I would never have guessed Nepalese would be 2nd most common first language in NINE local authorities??!!!

    Might the explanation be Gurkhas and their families/descendants, concentrated on/near military bases in areas with few other recent immigrants/decendents?

    That’s my best guess.

    I assume the map is correct? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was wrong.

    How many Nepalese people do we have in the UK? There aren’t that many, surely?
    That's certainly the case in Reading and Aldershot - old soldiers who got to know the area when they were based at Arborfield Barracks.
    Aldershot (Central) is essentially Nepalese these days.

    Big change since I were young, when it was squaddie central.
    Are the Nepalese not Gurkhas and their family ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,226

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    Sounds a grave matter.

    Did you make love in dead Ernest?
    Stiffies amongst the stiffs...
    Going into a hole...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,713
    .
    algarkirk said:

    The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.

    I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-promises-labour-b2307626.html

    Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.

    Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.

    This is an unforced error.
    Perhaps; perhaps not.

    The current policy if not having targets is certainly working, though not in a very good way.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,266

    ping said:

    I miss old school journalism.

    This is what I see when I load the BBC news homepage;



    Why do journos feel the need to insert themselves into stories/headlines?

    I just don’t get it.

    “asks Laura Kuenssberg, as she considers” is entirely unnecessary.

    And why is her opinion/analysis “BREAKING NEWS” ???

    I think it's done out of nostalgia for the days when the BBC had a near monopoly on broadcasting and could claim to be the voice of the nation, but it just comes across as desperate and needy.
    These days journalists are on an ego trip. It’s all about them as well as the story.

    Also a fair few articles on the website are just plugs for BBC TV shows.

    It’s high time the license fee went and was replaced by a more commercial method of funding.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,226
    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.

    I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-promises-labour-b2307626.html

    Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.

    Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.

    This is an unforced error.
    What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.

    It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
    Oh phew. He's setting targets for cutting it not the number of attacks he wants to see? That's something of a relief.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267
    ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,713
    Do Kwon, Korea's crypto 'genius' turned disgraced fugitive
    https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=347800
    ...After months on the run, the 31-year-old, whose full name is Kwon Do-hyung, was arrested Thursday in Montenegro after being caught trying to catch a flight using fake Costa Rican travel documents.

    He is accused of fraud over the dramatic implosion last year of his company Terraform Labs, which wiped out about $40 billion of investors' money and shook global crypto markets...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,665
    I'm just in the midst of a really good experience with the NHS.
    My daughter has a suspected broken wrist after a clash playing football.
    I arrived at Trafford General fearing the worst. Saturday afternoon is second only to Saturday night for a bad time to turn up at A&E. But we had waited less than 5 minutes before being seen. We've been in the building half an hour and have already been X rayed. Maybe it's because it's Spring and therefore over the seasonal peak.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,402
    ping said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.

    I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-promises-labour-b2307626.html

    Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.

    Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.

    This is an unforced error.
    What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.

    It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
    That’s all wrong.

    To start with “criminal” is a pejorative term. Legally Challenged Community (LCC) is much less down punching.

    What is required is a full engagement with stakeholders in the leadership of the LCC, forming a cooperative arrangement between police representatives, government etc.

    By evolving community standards and involvement of LCC leadership a better future can be ensured for all.
    Very good!

    Starmer is ripe for mockery when he comes out with this kind of stuff.

    Vote labour to reduce unwanted staring in public by (up to) 8% before 2030!
    This will be achieved by an act of parliament which clearly defines the distinction between wanted and unwanted male attention; or possibly even does so by abolishing the concept of females wanting any attention from any male ever.
  • ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
    As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,006
    Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    Farooq said:

    RobD said:

    Farooq said:

    MaxPB said:

    Italy move to ban the inclusion of insect flour in pizza and pasta grade flours. Must be properly labelled and sold entirely separately to standard flours. Puts them on a collision course with the EU which wanted to silently make insect flour an additive to regular flour without obvious labelling.

    Feels relevant to today's discussion.

    I have to say, spending the last week and a bit in Rome was extremely refreshing for a cynical Brit. The people are fiercely protective of their culture and outsiders must assimilate, not carve out a bunch of special rules they get to live by. A lot to learn for Brits who should be more proud of who we are and our history.

    Far-right lie klaxon

    The designation of the novel food on the
    labelling of the foodstuffs containing it shall
    be ‘Acheta domesticus (house cricket) partially
    defatted powder’.


    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32023R0005&from=EN
    What particular characteristic made it a "far-right lie"?
    It's a lie that is in common circulation in far-right political circles.
    Some conspiracy theories, lies, panics, etc are more common in some ideological circles than in others.
    Are there any non-lies in far right discourse?
    Yeah, even the far right are right about some things.
    It's regrettable that they've taken ownership of the discourse around child protection because they do it in such a partial way (they have made it into a point of racial division), but their passion for it is otherwise admirable.

    No ideology is completely immune from being right sometimes.
    On which topic, sort of, Lozza Fox is irate that his son told him he needed consent to kiss him goodnight. Blaming woke. 🥱
    This is not a terrible thing to behold. It's a mark of youthful naivety to take a good idea and mis- or over-apply it. Goodness knows his father is guilty of exactly that, as are a great number of political ideologues of all colours. A lot of people on here could reflect on this truth: just because something is good, doesn't mean it's good in every circumstance.
    Speaking words of wisdom unto we.
    Nice to see you back after quite a time btw.
  • ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
    As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
    I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267

    ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
    As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
    Wow! Do you know a good lawyer?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,006

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    Sounds like he was being chased maybe.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284
    edited March 2023

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.

    I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,659
    Cookie said:

    I'm just in the midst of a really good experience with the NHS.
    My daughter has a suspected broken wrist after a clash playing football.
    I arrived at Trafford General fearing the worst. Saturday afternoon is second only to Saturday night for a bad time to turn up at A&E. But we had waited less than 5 minutes before being seen. We've been in the building half an hour and have already been X rayed. Maybe it's because it's Spring and therefore over the seasonal peak.

    Acvtually building up to a new peak covid wise, from the quick look I had at the stats the other day. Though flu is out of the way now, thank goodness.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,006
    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    I had my first snog in a cemetery also. Chocolate on her breath.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,226

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    Thinking? This is a man who stood in front of a sign 'Defend our NHS' in such a way he covered up the first three letters...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,006

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    Sounds a grave matter.

    Did you make love in dead Ernest?
    Stiffies amongst the stiffs...
    Mark.
  • Cookie said:

    I'm just in the midst of a really good experience with the NHS.
    My daughter has a suspected broken wrist after a clash playing football.
    I arrived at Trafford General fearing the worst. Saturday afternoon is second only to Saturday night for a bad time to turn up at A&E. But we had waited less than 5 minutes before being seen. We've been in the building half an hour and have already been X rayed. Maybe it's because it's Spring and therefore over the seasonal peak.

    Probably helped by Trafford General not being an A&E hospital rather an Urgent Care hospital so the ambulances are heading to Salford Royal, Wythenshawe or the MRI instead of Trafford these days.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,978
    If you are looking for wild meat, you can still find it in many parts of the US. For example, in poor rural areas, road-kill venison often ends up in school lunches. And according to a recent Washington Post article, many areas would welcome visitors who wanted to hunt wild pigs.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,402
    Nigelb said:

    .

    algarkirk said:

    The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.

    I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-rishi-sunak-promises-labour-b2307626.html

    Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.

    Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.

    This is an unforced error.
    Perhaps; perhaps not.

    The current policy if not having targets is certainly working, though not in a very good way.
    There are targets and targets. If there is a target with consequences and it can be assisted by artificial means - like recording a crime as X instead of Y, or not recording it at all, then that is what will happen.

    Schools provide decent examples of target culture. If the target is the number of children getting 5Cs at GCSE (this is the olden days) then some schools coast along the clear As and Bs, and focus relentlessly on getting the Ds to a C.

  • I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.

    I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
    kinabalu said:

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    Sounds like he was being chased maybe.
    By a police car at that speed
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,822
    edited March 2023

    ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
    As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
    I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
    It's a weird one, though he is Police and Crime Commissioner for GM, is he not?

    I'd say he got a patsy of a Magistrate - in a 40mph limit, 66mph is where an insta-ban can start (says the Sentencing Guide).

    In his account he admitted 2 separate counts of driving without due care, one of which was driving through nearly 10 miles of all lane running Smart Motorway without even being aware he was on a Smart Motorway with no hard shoulder and variable speed limits. The other was coming off at a closed motorway junction and having to 'quickly divert' back on.

    Aside from that, the account doesn't really quite together afaics.
    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/andy-burnham-slapped-hefty-fine-26556762#comments-wrapper
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,728
    Carnyx said:

    Cookie said:

    I'm just in the midst of a really good experience with the NHS.
    My daughter has a suspected broken wrist after a clash playing football.
    I arrived at Trafford General fearing the worst. Saturday afternoon is second only to Saturday night for a bad time to turn up at A&E. But we had waited less than 5 minutes before being seen. We've been in the building half an hour and have already been X rayed. Maybe it's because it's Spring and therefore over the seasonal peak.

    Acvtually building up to a new peak covid wise, from the quick look I had at the stats the other day. Though flu is out of the way now, thank goodness.
    I noticed this was the last week we'll get an ONS survey of covid. I guess it had to end sometime.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,266
    kinabalu said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    I had my first snog in a cemetery also. Chocolate on her breath.
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rl2TFmjdCo4&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,267
    ...

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.

    I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
    kinabalu said:

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    Sounds like he was being chased maybe.
    By a police car at that speed
    ...or BJO hassling him to become LOTO ...
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,978
    edited March 2023
    It can be harder to avoid eating animals, particularly insects, than most people realize:
    https://www.fda.gov/food/ingredients-additives-gras-packaging-guidance-documents-regulatory-information/food-defect-levels-handbook
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,006

    kinabalu said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
    Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
    Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,940

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    The same of most people on that situatiom - he wasn't paying attention.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,424
    Nigelb said:

    Oh and thanks for mentioning about Picard Series 3.

    I have now lost my wife to it...

    Sounds drastic.

    A temporary separation would surely have sufficed ?
    Damn it, I may have to forage for roots and berries....
  • I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.

    I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
    It's not zeal, it's just well researched. You are of course correct about the B12. It's the only supplement I take, but I just disagree with you that a vegan diet is unhealthy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,374
    edited March 2023

    ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
    As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
    I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
    I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.

    I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.

    Also had very fast vehicles.

    A heady mix.
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
    Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
    Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
    Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284
    ...

    ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
    As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
    I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
    I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.

    I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.

    Also had very fast vehicles.

    A heady mix.
    What on earth is a 40mph limit doing on a motorway anyway?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,424

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
    Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
    Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
    Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
    On the contrary, I think he wants you to live. He's just worried with that diet, you won't.

    Tell him you take multi-vitamins each day and then he can stop worrying about your wellbeing...
  • ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
    As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
    Wow! Do you know a good lawyer?
    I pled hardship and poverty.

    The judges took pity on me.
  • It can be harder to avoid eating animals, particularly insects, than most people realize:
    https://www.fda.gov/food/ingredients-additives-gras-packaging-guidance-documents-regulatory-information/food-defect-levels-handbook

    Yup. Shellac is everywhere!
  • ...

    ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
    As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
    I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
    I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.

    I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.

    Also had very fast vehicles.

    A heady mix.
    What on earth is a 40mph limit doing on a motorway anyway?
    Roadworks and/or an accident on a stretch of motorway with no hard shoulder.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,266

    ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
    As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
    I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
    I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.

    I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.

    Also had very fast vehicles.

    A heady mix.
    I once had a non driving girlfriend. Never again. Not that it will come to that as I’m now happily married.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,659
    edited March 2023

    It can be harder to avoid eating animals, particularly insects, than most people realize:
    https://www.fda.gov/food/ingredients-additives-gras-packaging-guidance-documents-regulatory-information/food-defect-levels-handbook

    Yup. Shellac is everywhere!
    So are rat hairs and turds ...

    Edit: to quote from that documenty

    "Wheat Flour [permitted maximum etc of ] Rodent filth: Average of 1 or more rodent hairs per 50 grams"

    But then they say

    "DEFECT SOURCE: [...] Rodent hair - post harvest and/or processing contamination with animal hair or excreta.
    SIGNIFICANCE: Aesthetic"
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,284
    ...
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
    Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
    Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
    It was also wrong, as TFS then acknowledged, along with the fact that he (wisely) takes a B12 supplement. He doesn't struggle getting any essential vitamins and minerals because he purchases them from over the counter at Holland and Barratt.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,006
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  • Taz said:

    ...

    Andy Burnham received a 6 penalty points and £2,000 fine for doing 78mph in a 40 mph zone

    What was he thinking doing this speed

    https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1639661654387437573?t=_-rR-AHd3iTiZ_Et5McQFQ&s=19

    I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
    As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
    I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
    I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.

    I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.

    Also had very fast vehicles.

    A heady mix.
    I once had a non driving girlfriend. Never again. Not that it will come to that as I’m now happily married.
    It’s a nightmare when they cannot drive.

    Current one is a bit of a challenge.

    She refuses to drive anything bigger than a Fiesta/Focus.
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