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  • Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    We have an unfortunate quoting mess upthread that has led to me reading this ... 'Hyufd said "oh wow I had sex in that churchyard"'.

    At no point did I say it wasn't HYUFD I had drunken sex with on that windswept eve among the headstones
    Are we sure you're not a necrophiliac.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,798

    Taz said:

    Well....

    Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....

    ....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....

    ....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-been-stumped-by-rishi-sunak-5rdvwrl77

    English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
    Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.

    Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.

    Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
    Was he ? I never knew that.
    He led the traitorous England team to play apartheid South Africa.

    He was rightly banned as was the rest of the team.
    Better player than Strauss could ever be though.
    But the question is about captaincy not batting.

    England's best post war captain couldn't bat for toffee.
    Bit harsh given he averaged 46.77.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,984
    edited March 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    How disrespectful, it would be a graveyard after all
    So what? Sex isn't wrong and the dead don't care what we do. It's not like I was splashing over someone's floral arrangement.
    It is gross disrespect, a churchyard is a sacred place for Christians connected to the Church. What do you think the reaction would be if you had sex in a Muslim cemetery from your family and Muslim friends?
    A high five would be the reaction from this muslim.
  • .
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Well....

    Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....

    ....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....

    ....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-been-stumped-by-rishi-sunak-5rdvwrl77

    English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
    Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.

    Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.

    Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
    Was he ? I never knew that.
    He led the traitorous England team to play apartheid South Africa.

    He was rightly banned as was the rest of the team.
    Better player than Strauss could ever be though.
    But the question is about captaincy not batting.

    England's best post war captain couldn't bat for toffee.
    Bit harsh given he averaged 46.77.
    I present to you one J.M. Brearley.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited March 2023

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    How disrespectful, it would be a graveyard after all
    So what? Sex isn't wrong and the dead don't care what we do. It's not like I was splashing over someone's floral arrangement.
    It is gross disrespect, a churchyard is a sacred place for Christians connected to the Church. What do you think the reaction would be if you had sex in a Muslim cemetery from your family and Muslim friends?
    A high five would be the reaction from this muslim.
    A Fatwa against him however would be the most likely reaction from some Imams and Muslim community leaders and you know it!
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,752
    Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    We have an unfortunate quoting mess upthread that has led to me reading this ... 'Hyufd said "oh wow I had sex in that churchyard"'.

    At no point did I say it wasn't HYUFD I had drunken sex with on that windswept eve among the headstones
    If "sex" is a euphemism for arguing about Conservative polling numbers, then I ascribe that some credibility...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,798

    .

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Well....

    Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....

    ....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....

    ....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-been-stumped-by-rishi-sunak-5rdvwrl77

    English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
    Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.

    Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.

    Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
    Was he ? I never knew that.
    He led the traitorous England team to play apartheid South Africa.

    He was rightly banned as was the rest of the team.
    Better player than Strauss could ever be though.
    But the question is about captaincy not batting.

    England's best post war captain couldn't bat for toffee.
    Bit harsh given he averaged 46.77.
    I present to you one J.M. Brearley.
    Straight back I shoot Peter May. And after him, Ray Illingworth.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,695

    ...

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.

    I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
    It's not zeal, it's just well researched. You are of course correct about the B12. It's the only supplement I take, but I just disagree with you that a vegan diet is unhealthy.
    Since B12 is synthesised by bacteria (including that from animal sources), it's hardly impossible to obtain it in a vegan diet.
    It's not impossible, but I was advised by my GP at my last medical to think about a B12 as it's the one contentious element in a well balanced vegan diet. I could just eat soil like the animals do!
    Sure. Point is that the supplements are as 'natural' as anything Luckguy gets from his diet.
    I don't know about B12 supplements, but a lot of vitamins and minerals are better sourced naturally in foods for many reasons, as Iain has argued. They tend to be better absorbed, often have a different chemical profile (natural vitamin C is different from just 'ascorbic acid' and works better as an antioxidant), and they are often accompanied naturally within food by complementary vitamins, minerals, fats, etc., that the body also needs to make them work as they should. Calcium is a good example; it should be accompanied by a certain amount of magnesium, vitamin k, and (I think) vitamin D to work as it should, so you definitely won't get the same benefit from just taking some Calcium carbonate (common name chalk) than you would by eating some natural yoghurt of drinking some raw milk.
    Utter rubbish. Natural vitamin C and synthetic are identical. Where a natural source may differ will be in providing other components that may aid absorption.
  • ydoethur said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Well....

    Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....

    ....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....

    ....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-been-stumped-by-rishi-sunak-5rdvwrl77

    English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
    Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.

    Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.

    Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
    Was he ? I never knew that.
    He led the traitorous England team to play apartheid South Africa.

    He was rightly banned as was the rest of the team.
    Better player than Strauss could ever be though.
    But the question is about captaincy not batting.

    England's best post war captain couldn't bat for toffee.
    Bit harsh given he averaged 46.77.
    I present to you one J.M. Brearley.
    Straight back I shoot Peter May. And after him, Ray Illingworth.
    Did they ever have a series like the 1981 Ashes?

    Victory was down to Brearley's captaincy according to Botham.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    How disrespectful, it would be a graveyard after all
    So what? Sex isn't wrong and the dead don't care what we do. It's not like I was splashing over someone's floral arrangement.
    It is gross disrespect, a churchyard is a sacred place for Christians connected to the Church. What do you think the reaction would be if you had sex in a Muslim cemetery from your family and Muslim friends?
    It would depend on the quality of the video
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,798

    ydoethur said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Well....

    Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....

    ....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....

    ....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-been-stumped-by-rishi-sunak-5rdvwrl77

    English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
    Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.

    Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.

    Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
    Was he ? I never knew that.
    He led the traitorous England team to play apartheid South Africa.

    He was rightly banned as was the rest of the team.
    Better player than Strauss could ever be though.
    But the question is about captaincy not batting.

    England's best post war captain couldn't bat for toffee.
    Bit harsh given he averaged 46.77.
    I present to you one J.M. Brearley.
    Straight back I shoot Peter May. And after him, Ray Illingworth.
    Did they ever have a series like the 1981 Ashes?

    Victory was down to Brearley's captaincy according to Botham.
    1957 against the Windies for May. 1970-71 Ashes for Illingworth.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,937
    edited March 2023
    Offtopic and a little funny if you lean that way.

    Santa Monica got Fred Flintstone to build a cycle lane:

    Santa Monica is a good case study for showing you can get a lot done for bike infrastructure in a decade if you keep at it year after year. Here’s a signature project on 17th St about to open.
    https://twitter.com/CarterRubin/status/1639390832771084288

    Quite revealing: The Usonians are all saying "I want one". The Europeans commenting (including the Brits) are mainly saying "Omigod that looks dangerous". It is dangerous and rather crazy, for a lot of reasons.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,873
    ...
    Taz said:

    Sorry vegans, hot chicken salad tonight.

    You're welcome to the kale coleslaw though. Except...oh bugger....sorry.

    Bombay Aloo here so the vegans will be happy.
    No butter in that? Traditonally, a lot of vegetarian cuisine from India uses ghee.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476

    Well.

    The former chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, and former health secretary, Matt Hancock, agreed to work for £10,000 a day to further the interests of a fake South Korean firm after apparently being duped by the campaign group Led by Donkeys.

    Kwarteng attended a prelimary meeting at his parliamentary office and agreed in principle to be paid the daily rate after saying he did not require a “king’s ransom”. When Hancock was asked his daily rate, he responded: “It’s 10,000 sterling.”

    Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 committee, also attended an online meeting for the fake foreign firm from his parliamentary office. When asked about the limits on arranging meetings, he made clear he could not advocate on behalf of the interest but said he may be able to advise the firm on who to approach in government. He said a rate of about £6,000 a day “feels about right” and any payments would be on a public register.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/25/top-tory-mps-ask-for-10000-a-day-to-work-for-fake-korean-company

    Well.

    You you read as far as paragraph 5 you get this little gem:

    The senior politicians have complied with all relevant rules and referred to their obligation to their constituents during preliminary meetings.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,457
    New thread.
  • NEW THREAD

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    Taz said:

    Well....

    Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....

    ....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....

    ....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-been-stumped-by-rishi-sunak-5rdvwrl77

    English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
    Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.

    Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.

    Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
    Was he ? I never knew that.
    I assume this is what @TheScreamingEagles is referring to


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_rebel_tours
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,873

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
    Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
    Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
    Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
    You said I was the worst post ever on here which, quite aside from being totally untrue, was totally unwarranted and very rude.

    So, you can't expect me to play nicely now.
    I never said worst ever. I said most unpleasant. You can still pull it back, embrace your inner hippy.
    Since you seem perfectly capable of piques of anger despite your boring and unbalanced diet, abstinence from alcohol and regime of 'mediation', I think we can chalk this piece of advice up to everything else you say: ineffective.

    The reason you think I'm unpleasant is because I vigorously call out your ideology, and you take umbrage to it.

    Nothing more, nothing less.
    There are exceptions that prove every rule, but I think veganism could go both ways moodwise - you get very quiet delicate people who live on herbal tea and don't have the spare energy to get angry, or angry vegans, who burn through a lot of energy so are on a glucose rollercoaster always looking for their next banana.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.

    I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
    Aren't you agreeing with him that you can live a vegan diet, so long as you eat some foods fortified with B12? (Or take supplements)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
    Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
    Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
    Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
    I have some bad news for you.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,285

    .

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Well....

    Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....

    ....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....

    ....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-been-stumped-by-rishi-sunak-5rdvwrl77

    English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
    Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.

    Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.

    Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
    Was he ? I never knew that.
    He led the traitorous England team to play apartheid South Africa.

    He was rightly banned as was the rest of the team.
    Better player than Strauss could ever be though.
    But the question is about captaincy not batting.

    England's best post war captain couldn't bat for toffee.
    Bit harsh given he averaged 46.77.
    I present to you one J.M. Brearley.
    Absolute diamond.

    http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1996-97/ENG_IN_NZ/ARTICLES/ENG_WRONG_SCORE_07FEB1997.html
    … , the England captain Mike Brearley survived the fearsome wrath of Lillee and Thomson by determinedly humming to himself, over and over again, the opening bars of Beethoven's Razumovsky Quartet, opus 59 number one…
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,873
    rcs1000 said:

    I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.

    It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.

    What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
    Here's the main.


    Is that vegan "pork"?
    Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
    You're just jealous.

    Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
    Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
    Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.

    I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
    Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
    No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.

    I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
    Aren't you agreeing with him that you can live a vegan diet, so long as you eat some foods fortified with B12? (Or take supplements)
    Yes, you can live on it. I don't think it's the best idea, but do-able if careful. Where I have an issue is with it being promoted as healthier than a non-vegan diet. That is demonstrably untrue, and vegan newcomers aren't being given the true picture.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    ...

    We finally got around to renewing our passports this week. (I haven't travelled abroad for years.)

    We'd thought maybe Paris, to have a nice weekend break.

    Hmmm. Nope.

    No Paris will be fine. In 2024. You'll be lucky to get your new passport back by 2023.

    Went up to Newport, in the Land of Dragons, to collect personally. Got booked in just before the strikes were announced.

    My luck ran out at Paris though!
    Newport? Paris? Much the same thing. Transporter Bridge = Eiffel Tower.
    Also St Woolos Cathedral = Notre Dame. It really is quite spooky:
    image
    image
    Oh wow that takes me back. I had sex in that churchyard.
    It wasn't nearly as warm that night as it seems to be in that photo.
    How disrespectful, it would be a graveyard after all
    So what? Sex isn't wrong and the dead don't care what we do. It's not like I was splashing over someone's floral arrangement.
    It is gross disrespect, a churchyard is a sacred place for Christians connected to the Church. What do you think the reaction would be if you had sex in a Muslim cemetery from your family and Muslim friends?
    It would depend on the quality of the video
    He was also lucky not to be arrested for outraging public decency
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,081
    Nigelb said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Well....

    Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....

    ....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....

    ....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-been-stumped-by-rishi-sunak-5rdvwrl77

    English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
    Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.

    Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.

    Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
    Was he ? I never knew that.
    He led the traitorous England team to play apartheid South Africa.

    He was rightly banned as was the rest of the team.
    Better player than Strauss could ever be though.
    But the question is about captaincy not batting.

    England's best post war captain couldn't bat for toffee.
    Bit harsh given he averaged 46.77.
    I present to you one J.M. Brearley.
    Absolute diamond.

    http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1996-97/ENG_IN_NZ/ARTICLES/ENG_WRONG_SCORE_07FEB1997.html
    … , the England captain Mike Brearley survived the fearsome wrath of Lillee and Thomson by determinedly humming to himself, over and over again, the opening bars of Beethoven's Razumovsky Quartet, opus 59 number one…
    One of my life's regrets is that I never played against Mike Brearley. He would sometimes turn out for the University of Newcastle Staff XI while I played for their local rivals The University of Durham. But our paths never crossed.
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