I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
On the contrary, I think he wants you to live. He's just worried with that diet, you won't.
Tell him you take multi-vitamins each day and then he can stop worrying about your wellbeing...
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
It was also wrong, as TFS then acknowledged, along with the fact that he (wisely) takes a B12 supplement. He doesn't struggle getting any essential vitamins and minerals because he purchases them from over the counter at Holland and Barratt.
The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.
I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”
Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.
Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.
This is an unforced error.
What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.
It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
That’s all wrong.
To start with “criminal” is a pejorative term. Legally Challenged Community (LCC) is much less down punching.
What is required is a full engagement with stakeholders in the leadership of the LCC, forming a cooperative arrangement between police representatives, government etc.
By evolving community standards and involvement of LCC leadership a better future can be ensured for all.
I do recall hearing Clive Stafford-Smith of Repieve say he objected to the term criminal more than 20 years ago, but I cannot recall what he suggested instead.
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
Well you're not the 1st couple to fall out over what to eat.
The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.
I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”
Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.
Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.
This is an unforced error.
What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.
It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
Oh phew. He's setting targets for cutting it not the number of attacks he wants to see? That's something of a relief.
He could be doing a sly move, cutting crime to zero then moving back to DPP so he can sit back and have nothing to do. Or at least setting targets of crime that are ok and only acting on the crimes over target. I like his style - reminds me of Death Wosh where the mayor and police commissioner actually quite like the crime stats are down even though it’s not down to their work.
"These tantalising questions have all now been answered – by the British state. Jeremy Corbyn, and the movement he inspired, have been ejected from mainstream politics in an operation so ruthless that even the memory of the 2017 general election has been eradicated. The SNP has secured numerous mandates for an independence referendum, all of which have splatted harmlessly against the wall of Westminster intransigence. Sturgeon herself, and her entire camarilla, are departing amid scandal."
To that list he could have added the defenestration of Boris Johnson - another agent of instability.
Corbyn, Sturgeon and Johnson. All out on their respective ears. Maybe things aren't quite so bad.
I'm just in the midst of a really good experience with the NHS. My daughter has a suspected broken wrist after a clash playing football. I arrived at Trafford General fearing the worst. Saturday afternoon is second only to Saturday night for a bad time to turn up at A&E. But we had waited less than 5 minutes before being seen. We've been in the building half an hour and have already been X rayed. Maybe it's because it's Spring and therefore over the seasonal peak.
Probably helped by Trafford General not being an A&E hospital rather an Urgent Care hospital so the ambulances are heading to Salford Royal, Wythenshawe or the MRI instead of Trafford these days.
True, but I've seen six hour waiting tomes here before.
On veganism: my sister in law's partner has recently been advised to start eating meat again for health reasons. She is delighted. She loves meat and was quite disappointed when her consciemce forced her to abandon it.
The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.
I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”
Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.
Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.
This is an unforced error.
What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.
It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
That’s all wrong.
To start with “criminal” is a pejorative term. Legally Challenged Community (LCC) is much less down punching.
What is required is a full engagement with stakeholders in the leadership of the LCC, forming a cooperative arrangement between police representatives, government etc.
By evolving community standards and involvement of LCC leadership a better future can be ensured for all.
I do recall hearing Clive Stafford-Smith of Repieve say he objected to the term criminal more than 20 years ago, but I cannot recall what he suggested instead.
I was recently told I had to call criminals who spent time in prison ‘previously incarcerated person’ instead of ex con.
I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.
I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.
Also had very fast vehicles.
A heady mix.
I once had a non driving girlfriend. Never again. Not that it will come to that as I’m now happily married.
So did I. Hopeless at mapreading too. In the end we used knife and fork as left and right were interchangeable. And she was unable to offer coherent directions.. long before Sat Nav arrived...
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
I don't think that's true, and there's definitely no non-liking on my side either. Robust PB discussion.
The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.
I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”
Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.
Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.
This is an unforced error.
What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.
It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
That’s all wrong.
To start with “criminal” is a pejorative term. Legally Challenged Community (LCC) is much less down punching.
What is required is a full engagement with stakeholders in the leadership of the LCC, forming a cooperative arrangement between police representatives, government etc.
By evolving community standards and involvement of LCC leadership a better future can be ensured for all.
I do recall hearing Clive Stafford-Smith of Repieve say he objected to the term criminal more than 20 years ago, but I cannot recall what he suggested instead.
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
It was also wrong, as TFS then acknowledged, along with the fact that he (wisely) takes a B12 supplement. He doesn't struggle getting any essential vitamins and minerals because he purchases them from over the counter at Holland and Barratt.
It's just a B12, nothing else. No one ever needs a multivitamin if they eat proper food. That's as true for meat eaters as it is for vegans
I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.
I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.
Also had very fast vehicles.
A heady mix.
What on earth is a 40mph limit doing on a motorway anyway?
Roadworks and/or an accident on a stretch of motorway with no hard shoulder.
I also object to it being called a 'smart' motorway - who tf thought of that? It should be called a clever motorway. A smart motorway means one that has a natty taste in streetlamps.
The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.
I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”
Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.
Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.
This is an unforced error.
What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.
It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
That’s all wrong.
To start with “criminal” is a pejorative term. Legally Challenged Community (LCC) is much less down punching.
What is required is a full engagement with stakeholders in the leadership of the LCC, forming a cooperative arrangement between police representatives, government etc.
By evolving community standards and involvement of LCC leadership a better future can be ensured for all.
I do recall hearing Clive Stafford-Smith of Repieve say he objected to the term criminal more than 20 years ago, but I cannot recall what he suggested instead.
I'm just in the midst of a really good experience with the NHS. My daughter has a suspected broken wrist after a clash playing football. I arrived at Trafford General fearing the worst. Saturday afternoon is second only to Saturday night for a bad time to turn up at A&E. But we had waited less than 5 minutes before being seen. We've been in the building half an hour and have already been X rayed. Maybe it's because it's Spring and therefore over the seasonal peak.
Probably helped by Trafford General not being an A&E hospital rather an Urgent Care hospital so the ambulances are heading to Salford Royal, Wythenshawe or the MRI instead of Trafford these days.
True, but I've seen six hour waiting tomes here before.
You should have known it was bad when they only stocked War and Peace.....
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
I don't think that's true, and there's definitely no non-liking on my side either. Robust PB discussion.
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
It was also wrong, as TFS then acknowledged, along with the fact that he (wisely) takes a B12 supplement. He doesn't struggle getting any essential vitamins and minerals because he purchases them from over the counter at Holland and Barratt.
It's just a B12, nothing else. No one ever needs a multivitamin if they eat proper food. That's as true for meat eaters as it is for vegans
I agree there, though a lot of our food is sadly lacking in essential nutrients - something true of a lot of meat and vegetables. Most multivitamins aren't great shakes either.
I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
It's a weird one, though he is Police and Crime Commissioner for GM, is he not?
I'd say he got a patsy of a Magistrate - in a 40mph limit, 66mph is where an insta-ban starts (says the Sentencing Guide).
In his account he admitted 2 separate counts of driving without due care, one of which was driving through nearly 10 miles of all lane running Smart Motorway without even being aware he was on a Smart Motorway with no hard shoulder and variable speed limits. The other was coming off at a closed motorway junction and having to 'quickly divert' back on.
Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham has been fined for speeding after admitting driving at 78mph on a motorway where there was a reduced 40mph limit. ... In a statement, Mr Burnham accepted he was "going too fast".
If his masterplan to become the next Labour prime minister doesn't work out, at least he will have another career option as a presenter of 'Top Gear'.
Easily done unless you see the signs to go over a temporary 40mph limit on the motorway but even so the speed limit would still be 70mph there normally so no excuse for him to be doing 78mph.
So one less leadership rival for Sir Keir to look out for, he just has to keep an eye on Wes in his rear view mirror now
Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham has been fined for speeding after admitting driving at 78mph on a motorway where there was a reduced 40mph limit. ... In a statement, Mr Burnham accepted he was "going too fast".
If his masterplan to become the next Labour prime minister doesn't work out, at least he will have another career option as a presenter of 'Top Gear'.
Easily done unless you see the signs to go over a temporary 40mph limit on the motorway but even so the speed limit would still be 70mph there normally so no excuse for him to be doing 78mph.
So one less leadership rival for Sir Keir to look out for, he just has to keep an eye on Wes in his rear view mirror now
The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.
I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”
Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.
Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.
This is an unforced error.
What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.
It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
That’s all wrong.
To start with “criminal” is a pejorative term. Legally Challenged Community (LCC) is much less down punching.
What is required is a full engagement with stakeholders in the leadership of the LCC, forming a cooperative arrangement between police representatives, government etc.
By evolving community standards and involvement of LCC leadership a better future can be ensured for all.
I do recall hearing Clive Stafford-Smith of Repieve say he objected to the term criminal more than 20 years ago, but I cannot recall what he suggested instead.
I was recently told I had to call criminals who spent time in prison ‘previously incarcerated person’ instead of ex con.
What on earth is a 40mph limit doing on a motorway anyway?
Welcome to Greater Manchester police. They love cash cow temporary speed limits. Was 40mph through roadworks on M62 even in height of lockdown when traffic volumes couldn't justify it.
Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham has been fined for speeding after admitting driving at 78mph on a motorway where there was a reduced 40mph limit. ... In a statement, Mr Burnham accepted he was "going too fast".
If his masterplan to become the next Labour prime minister doesn't work out, at least he will have another career option as a presenter of 'Top Gear'.
Easily done unless you see the signs to go over a temporary 40mph limit on the motorway but even so the speed limit would still be 70mph there normally so no excuse for him to be doing 78mph.
So one less leadership rival for Sir Keir to look out for, he just has to keep an eye on Wes in his rear view mirror now
It is not easily done if you are driving on a smart motorway with overhead gantries showing speed limits due to motorway conditions
I rather like Burnham but in the old days wouldn’t he has resigned…..?
Speaking as someone from an area where the Police & Crime Commissioner got herself FIVE speeding fines and therefore a totting-up ban, in the four months whilst I think she was actually campaigning for the position, of course he won't resign.
They all have brass necks. For me that's a problem with having politicised it when they were brought in.
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.
I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
It's not zeal, it's just well researched. You are of course correct about the B12. It's the only supplement I take, but I just disagree with you that a vegan diet is unhealthy.
Since B12 is synthesised by bacteria (including that from animal sources), it's hardly impossible to obtain it in a vegan diet.
What on earth is a 40mph limit doing on a motorway anyway?
Welcome to Greater Manchester police. They love cash cow temporary speed limits. Was 40mph through roadworks on M62 even in height of lockdown when traffic volumes couldn't justify it.
You should come to Drakeford's Wales when from September all 30 mph zones become 20 mph and after a short period rigously enforced
Furthermore 50 mph zones will be made into charging roads if they do not reduce emissions
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.
I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
It's not zeal, it's just well researched. You are of course correct about the B12. It's the only supplement I take, but I just disagree with you that a vegan diet is unhealthy.
Since B12 is synthesised by bacteria (including that from animal sources), it's hardly impossible to obtain it in a vegan diet.
It's not impossible, but I was advised by my GP at my last medical to think about a B12 as it's the one contentious element in a well balanced vegan diet. I could just eat soil like the animals do!
"Wheat Flour [permitted maximum etc of ] Rodent filth: Average of 1 or more rodent hairs per 50 grams"
But then they say
"DEFECT SOURCE: [...] Rodent hair - post harvest and/or processing contamination with animal hair or excreta. SIGNIFICANCE: Aesthetic"
That's of course another market opportunity for bioreactor foods. Angsting about trace amounts of either insects or rat isn't my thing, but products like solein can be guaranteed free of such contaminants.
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.
I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
It's not zeal, it's just well researched. You are of course correct about the B12. It's the only supplement I take, but I just disagree with you that a vegan diet is unhealthy.
Since B12 is synthesised by bacteria (including that from animal sources), it's hardly impossible to obtain it in a vegan diet.
It's not impossible, but I was advised by my GP at my last medical to think about a B12 as it's the one contentious element in a well balanced vegan diet. I could just eat soil like the animals do!
Sure. Point is that the supplements are as 'natural' as anything Luckguy gets from his diet.
The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.
I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”
Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.
Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.
This is an unforced error.
What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.
It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
That’s all wrong.
To start with “criminal” is a pejorative term. Legally Challenged Community (LCC) is much less down punching.
What is required is a full engagement with stakeholders in the leadership of the LCC, forming a cooperative arrangement between police representatives, government etc.
By evolving community standards and involvement of LCC leadership a better future can be ensured for all.
I do recall hearing Clive Stafford-Smith of Repieve say he objected to the term criminal more than 20 years ago, but I cannot recall what he suggested instead.
I was recently told I had to call criminals who spent time in prison ‘previously incarcerated person’ instead of ex con.
Did they give you an alternative name for a pineapple topped Pizza.
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
No, I'm correct. There are no plant foods that can be shown to contain Vitamin B12 in sufficient quantity/bioavailability for human needs, hence things like plant milks, cereals, marmite etc. often being fortified with synthetic B12. This is not subject to debate, and you're welcome to research it from any source you'd like.
I am glad you have the zeal of the converted, and I am sure your current dietary regime has many benefits over your old regime, but you should perhaps try and see this as the beginning of your learning journey rather than the end.
It's not zeal, it's just well researched. You are of course correct about the B12. It's the only supplement I take, but I just disagree with you that a vegan diet is unhealthy.
Since B12 is synthesised by bacteria (including that from animal sources), it's hardly impossible to obtain it in a vegan diet.
It's not impossible, but I was advised by my GP at my last medical to think about a B12 as it's the one contentious element in a well balanced vegan diet. I could just eat soil like the animals do!
That's what poor white Americans in the Carolinas used to do. Hence 'sandlappers.'
We have an unfortunate quoting mess upthread that has led to me reading this ... 'Hyufd said "oh wow I had sex in that churchyard"'.
When I die, I'd quite like to buried (or ashes scattered) under a big tree. A tree through with a long future. I'd like nothing more than that place be a site of romantic sex thereafter. Less keen on dogs (of all ilks).
I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.
I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.
Also had very fast vehicles.
A heady mix.
Nothing to a hardcore twitcher. The fastest speed ever recorded by the police was held for a while by a twitcher.
I once met up with a chum at a twitch in Humberside. We'd all screamed up the M180.
"I looked in my rear view mirror - you were a dot. Then you were beside me. Then you were a dot in the distance. And I wasn't hanging about!"
(And it proved to be a dodgy sighting after all that. Pallas' Gull, if you were wondering...)
Never quite managed to get too excited about twitching although some of my acquaintances do seem to have strangely long lists of things they've seen without actually admitting to the pastime.
Did go for a trip see Albert the Albatross and the Bearded Vulture but just cannot get excited about warblers.
I suppose the problem is that a lot of the rarities turn up in either Cornwall or Shetland so eating up motorway is something of a necessity...
I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.
I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.
Also had very fast vehicles.
A heady mix.
Nothing to a hardcore twitcher. The fastest speed ever recorded by the police was held for a while by a twitcher.
I once met up with a chum at a twitch in Humberside. We'd all screamed up the M180.
"I looked in my rear view mirror - you were a dot. Then you were beside me. Then you were a dot in the distance. And I wasn't hanging about!"
(And it proved to be a dodgy sighting after all that. Pallas' Gull, if you were wondering...)
Never quite managed to get too excited about twitching although some of my acquaintances do seem to have strangely long lists of things they've seen without actually admitting to the pastime.
Did go for a trip see Albert the Albatross and the Bearded Vulture but just cannot get excited about warblers.
I suppose the problem is that a lot of the rarities turn up in either Cornwall or Shetland so eating up motorway is something of a necessity...
They are generally arriving where you aren't! Nice to be on the Yorkshire or Norfolk coast after an easterly blow, in the hope of bumping into something. I had a cracking Bluethroat on Flamborough Head once. But yes, mostly you have to motor...
Police forces in England and Wales have been accused of trying to “evade public scrutiny” after an Observer investigation found that the outcomes of dozens of officer misconduct cases have been deleted from their websites.
They include some of the most serious cases of criminality, including that of the serial rapist David Carrick.
An analysis of misconduct trials at 43 forces found the vast majority were either failing to publicise cases, despite a legal obligation to do so, or deleting misconduct cases from their websites after 28 days. Misconduct hearings can relate to any reason an officer is fired from the job including cases related to sexual offences or domestic violence.
The Police (Conduct) Regulations were introduced in 2020 to help forces act with “honesty and integrity”, according to the National Police Chiefs’ Council, in part by improving the transparency of misconduct hearings.
The law specifically calls on forces to publicise the results of misconduct hearings “as soon as practicable after the officer has been notified of the outcome of the proceedings”.
But analysis of the misconduct cases listed at every police force in England and Wales since December found that the records at 72% of forces were incomplete. Many were missing more than half or all of the misconduct outcomes.
While some forces openly declared on their sites that they removed all cases after 28 days, making use of a loophole in the regulations, in others it was less clear as to whether they had removed cases or simply failed to upload them in the first place.
I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.
I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.
Also had very fast vehicles.
A heady mix.
Nothing to a hardcore twitcher. The fastest speed ever recorded by the police was held for a while by a twitcher.
I once met up with a chum at a twitch in Humberside. We'd all screamed up the M180.
"I looked in my rear view mirror - you were a dot. Then you were beside me. Then you were a dot in the distance. And I wasn't hanging about!"
(And it proved to be a dodgy sighting after all that. Pallas' Gull, if you were wondering...)
Never quite managed to get too excited about twitching although some of my acquaintances do seem to have strangely long lists of things they've seen without actually admitting to the pastime.
Did go for a trip see Albert the Albatross and the Bearded Vulture but just cannot get excited about warblers.
I suppose the problem is that a lot of the rarities turn up in either Cornwall or Shetland so eating up motorway is something of a necessity...
Was once on a business trip to Plymouth and parked near the destination, which happened to be almost next to a nurses' home. Was somewhat startled to be spoken to by Plod about what we were doing there; turned out that there was some obscure passerine vagrant there, right in that spot, hence rather a lot of middle aged males with binoculars and cameras ...
The reaction to some of his pledges was “a sharp intake of breath”, Keir Starmer said on Thursday. He welcomed that because “nobody can doubt the scale of our ambition, nor its urgency”.
I fear he may be misinterpreting the responses. People are not saying to him, “That will be really difficult, but we admire your determination to push the system.” They are saying, “Are you out of your mind?”
Interesting stuff; SKS is setting targets for things like knife crime and attacks of women and girls.
Excellent of course but there are two dangers: the obvious one that he can't and won't meet them - human nature not being in his gift; but secondly and more subtle, if you are to set a target on how much real and deep and damaging evil you want to have in people's lives the only rational target is ZERO. So don't set one. It grants hostages.
This is an unforced error.
What annoys me is that all this time it’s been so simple, all anyone needed to do to cut knife crime and attacks on women and girls was to say you would impose targets.
It doesn’t actually need a massively complicated set of laws, reorganising of policing, change in society, you just need to say you are going to impose targets and the crims download an app to their phone and if it will tip over the target they don’t commit the crime.
That’s all wrong.
To start with “criminal” is a pejorative term. Legally Challenged Community (LCC) is much less down punching.
What is required is a full engagement with stakeholders in the leadership of the LCC, forming a cooperative arrangement between police representatives, government etc.
By evolving community standards and involvement of LCC leadership a better future can be ensured for all.
I do recall hearing Clive Stafford-Smith of Repieve say he objected to the term criminal more than 20 years ago, but I cannot recall what he suggested instead.
I was recently told I had to call criminals who spent time in prison ‘previously incarcerated person’ instead of ex con.
Did they give you an alternative name for a pineapple topped Pizza.
‘An alternative, but equally valid, topping’
When I used to go out for BJs they called it a sweet pig
Edit: because I forgot what a filthy minded bunch of reprobates lurk on this site
'Sir Robert Chote, the chair of the UK Statistics Authority, has written to the immigration minister, Robert Jenrick, to point out the inaccuracy.[...]
Chote wrote the letter in response to a complaint from Stephen Kinnock, the shadow immigration minister, about what he believed to be a factual inaccuracy by the prime minister referring to the asylum backlog under Labour as much larger than the current government backlog of more than 160,000.
Chote said the backlog stood at about 19,000 before Labour was voted out in the 2010 election.'
We have an unfortunate quoting mess upthread that has led to me reading this ... 'Hyufd said "oh wow I had sex in that churchyard"'.
When I die, I'd quite like to buried (or ashes scattered) under a big tree. A tree through with a long future. I'd like nothing more than that place be a site of romantic sex thereafter. Less keen on dogs (of all ilks).
I don’t understand these kind of requests.
Doesn’t it miss the whole point of just being dead?
I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.
I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.
Also had very fast vehicles.
A heady mix.
Nothing to a hardcore twitcher. The fastest speed ever recorded by the police was held for a while by a twitcher.
I once met up with a chum at a twitch in Humberside. We'd all screamed up the M180.
"I looked in my rear view mirror - you were a dot. Then you were beside me. Then you were a dot in the distance. And I wasn't hanging about!"
(And it proved to be a dodgy sighting after all that. Pallas' Gull, if you were wondering...)
Never quite managed to get too excited about twitching although some of my acquaintances do seem to have strangely long lists of things they've seen without actually admitting to the pastime.
Did go for a trip see Albert the Albatross and the Bearded Vulture but just cannot get excited about warblers.
I suppose the problem is that a lot of the rarities turn up in either Cornwall or Shetland so eating up motorway is something of a necessity...
Was once on a business trip to Plymouth and parked near the destination, which happened to be almost next to a nurses' home. Was somewhat startled to be spoken to by Plod about what we were doing there; turned out that there was some obscure passerine vagrant there, right in that spot, hence rather a lot of middle aged males with binoculars and cameras ...
There's something called the Doctor's Garden in Hartlepool that has a high brick wall around it - and has a penchant for attracting rare birds. No access into it. You have to view from outside. There's a cracking photo somewhere of ladders propped up against the wall, step-ladders on the top of white vans... It looks like something from a medieval siege.
There was a cracking twitch to the east coast of Scotland, really in the middle of nowhere. Masked Shrike - nobody had seen one. Big gathering. Many with scopes and cameras.
We got approached by a heavy security guard, none too impressed. "How did you find out?" We showed him our pagers. "Jeez, you papparazzi are well organised..."
Turns out Ozzy Osbourne had recently acquired where the said bird had taken up residence....
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
You said I was the worst post ever on here which, quite aside from being totally untrue, was totally unwarranted and very rude.
Police forces in England and Wales have been accused of trying to “evade public scrutiny” after an Observer investigation found that the outcomes of dozens of officer misconduct cases have been deleted from their websites.
They include some of the most serious cases of criminality, including that of the serial rapist David Carrick.
An analysis of misconduct trials at 43 forces found the vast majority were either failing to publicise cases, despite a legal obligation to do so, or deleting misconduct cases from their websites after 28 days. Misconduct hearings can relate to any reason an officer is fired from the job including cases related to sexual offences or domestic violence.
The Police (Conduct) Regulations were introduced in 2020 to help forces act with “honesty and integrity”, according to the National Police Chiefs’ Council, in part by improving the transparency of misconduct hearings.
The law specifically calls on forces to publicise the results of misconduct hearings “as soon as practicable after the officer has been notified of the outcome of the proceedings”.
But analysis of the misconduct cases listed at every police force in England and Wales since December found that the records at 72% of forces were incomplete. Many were missing more than half or all of the misconduct outcomes.
While some forces openly declared on their sites that they removed all cases after 28 days, making use of a loophole in the regulations, in others it was less clear as to whether they had removed cases or simply failed to upload them in the first place.
I though 30mph above was a straight red card. Perhaps such rules don't apply to the King Dickhead of the North.
As someone who accumulated 30 points in 5 years you can get away with it if the normal speed is 70mph on the road.
I'd say driving isn't for you. Have you thought about a chauffeur?
I lived in North Yorkshire, worked in Leeds, and had a non driving girlfriend who lived in Liverpool.
I did a lot of commuting in those days and was often in a hurry.
Also had very fast vehicles.
A heady mix.
Nothing to a hardcore twitcher. The fastest speed ever recorded by the police was held for a while by a twitcher.
I once met up with a chum at a twitch in Humberside. We'd all screamed up the M180.
"I looked in my rear view mirror - you were a dot. Then you were beside me. Then you were a dot in the distance. And I wasn't hanging about!"
(And it proved to be a dodgy sighting after all that. Pallas' Gull, if you were wondering...)
Never quite managed to get too excited about twitching although some of my acquaintances do seem to have strangely long lists of things they've seen without actually admitting to the pastime.
Did go for a trip see Albert the Albatross and the Bearded Vulture but just cannot get excited about warblers.
I suppose the problem is that a lot of the rarities turn up in either Cornwall or Shetland so eating up motorway is something of a necessity...
Was once on a business trip to Plymouth and parked near the destination, which happened to be almost next to a nurses' home. Was somewhat startled to be spoken to by Plod about what we were doing there; turned out that there was some obscure passerine vagrant there, right in that spot, hence rather a lot of middle aged males with binoculars and cameras ...
There's something called the Doctor's Garden in Hartlepool that has a high brick wall around it - and has a penchant for attracting rare birds. No access into it. You have to view from outside. There's a cracking photo somewhere of ladders propped up against the wall, step-ladders on the top of white vans... It looks like something from a medieval siege.
There was a cracking twitch to the east coast of Scotland, really in the middle of nowhere. Masked Shrike - nobody had seen one. Big gathering. Many with scopes and cameras.
We got approached by a heavy security guard, none too impressed. "How did you find out?" We showed him our pagers. "Jeez, you papparazzi are well organised..."
Turns out Ozzy Osbourne had recently acquired where the said bird had taken up residence....
This place? Seems to be on the headland at Harttlepool which makes sense (and which I enjoyed visiting trecently, albeit for the gun battery and naval battle history).
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
You said I was the worst post ever on here which, quite aside from being totally untrue, was totally unwarranted and very rude.
So, you can't expect me to play nicely now.
I never said worst ever. I said most unpleasant. You can still pull it back, embrace your inner hippy.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
Police forces in England and Wales have been accused of trying to “evade public scrutiny” after an Observer investigation found that the outcomes of dozens of officer misconduct cases have been deleted from their websites.
They include some of the most serious cases of criminality, including that of the serial rapist David Carrick.
An analysis of misconduct trials at 43 forces found the vast majority were either failing to publicise cases, despite a legal obligation to do so, or deleting misconduct cases from their websites after 28 days. Misconduct hearings can relate to any reason an officer is fired from the job including cases related to sexual offences or domestic violence.
The Police (Conduct) Regulations were introduced in 2020 to help forces act with “honesty and integrity”, according to the National Police Chiefs’ Council, in part by improving the transparency of misconduct hearings.
The law specifically calls on forces to publicise the results of misconduct hearings “as soon as practicable after the officer has been notified of the outcome of the proceedings”.
But analysis of the misconduct cases listed at every police force in England and Wales since December found that the records at 72% of forces were incomplete. Many were missing more than half or all of the misconduct outcomes.
While some forces openly declared on their sites that they removed all cases after 28 days, making use of a loophole in the regulations, in others it was less clear as to whether they had removed cases or simply failed to upload them in the first place.
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
You said I was the worst post ever on here which, quite aside from being totally untrue, was totally unwarranted and very rude.
So, you can't expect me to play nicely now.
I never said worst ever. I said most unpleasant. You can still pull it back, embrace your inner hippy.
Since you seem perfectly capable of piques of anger despite your boring and unbalanced diet, abstinence from alcohol and regime of 'mediation', I think we can chalk this piece of advice up to everything else you say: ineffective.
The reason you think I'm unpleasant is because I vigorously call out your ideology, and you take umbrage to it.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Captained an away ashes win. Absolutely brilliant player.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.
Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Atherton achieved 52 Tests in charge,* largely because the England hierarchy didn't like Hussain and didn't want Stewart. Only 13 were victories if memory serves. And a batting average that peaked at 43 in 1998 which was not dusty for that era but wasn't earth shattering either.
*Consecutively as well, which is in fairness quite an achievement.
I have ordered the pork belly with dauphinoise potatoes, carrots and a red wine jus. A pint of Surrey Nirvana to wash it down.
It will probably be the Baileys Creme Brulee for dessert. Maybe the cheese board too with a port.
What no photos? Anyway, welcome back Leon.
Here's the main.
Is that vegan "pork"?
Looks like the plate is upside down! Still, at least it's not been served on an old shovel or any other pretentious wank!
You're just jealous.
Nothing to stop you ordering the same or having a surreptitiously danger-wank over it later on.
Casino, mate, genuinely we need to stop this little vegan/meat eater spat. I only tell you to go vegan because I know it winds you up. For what it's worth, my veganism isn't a religion, it's just a dietary and lifestyle choice after re assessing my own health and fitness after my wife's brush with breast cancer. Plus equally importantly, we really should be kinder to non humans and the planet in general. It's not down to me to judge how anyone else eats. So enjoy that pork, yer dirty meat eating bastard!🤣🤪
Well done for taking stock of your health and fitness - that's great. Veganism sadly is unlikely to help you acheive your long term health and fitness goals, as the diet is very poor in nutrient dense health-giving foods, and it denies the vegan a lot of the foods like butter and eggs that can help to ameliorate a vegetarian diet. A human cannot live a healthy and full life on a vegan diet, without fortifying their diet with synthetic b-vitamins, which I hope you're taking care of. You may also struggle with Vitamin D, iron, calcium, and others.
I would advise you to introduce some foods brought to us by the animal kingdom, for example, eggs from hens you keep or a trusted ethical supplier, or plain yoghurt made with organic milk.
Cheers, mate, but I'm sorry, you're factually incorrect on the nutritional aspects of a well balanced vegan diet. I don't struggle getting any essential nutrients and vitamins. As with anything, we all research information from our own chosen sources, so we'll have to agree to disagree .
An elegant closer there. Quite like that. Might steal.
Eh? That's an astonishingly shit closer that says nothing at all. Whatsoever.
Didn't mean as a killer mic drop type of thing. But a nice variation on the agree to disagree shuffle. Exchange ended cordially but v firmly, tiniest hint of edge, no blood.
Casino just doesn't like me. I'll live.
You said I was the worst post ever on here which, quite aside from being totally untrue, was totally unwarranted and very rude.
So, you can't expect me to play nicely now.
I never said worst ever. I said most unpleasant. You can still pull it back, embrace your inner hippy.
Since you seem perfectly capable of piques of anger despite your boring and unbalanced diet, abstinence from alcohol and regime of 'mediation', I think we can chalk this piece of advice up to everything else you say: ineffective.
The reason you think I'm unpleasant is because I vigorously call out your ideology, and you take umbrage to it.
Nothing more, nothing less.
It's the internet. Nothing you or I say here makes the slightest bit of difference. Nuance or context isn't a thing online. I genuinely don't have an ideaology, and you know nothing about my life in any depth. Please, try not to take it so seriously. It really isn't important. As for anger, I'm probably the most laid back dude on here, it just doesn't come across like that online. You on the other hand come across as a snobby, judgemental little c@#+ but I'm quite prepared to believe that that's not really you. Relax, do some breathing, nibble on a brussel sprout and get back to me.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Atherton achieved 52 Tests in charge,* largely because the England hierarchy didn't like Hussain and didn't want Stewart. Only 13 were victories if memory serves. And a batting average that peaked at 43 in 1998 which was not dusty for that era but wasn't earth shattering either.
*Consecutively as well, which is in fairness quite an achievement.
54 tests as captain, he captained two matches in 2001.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Having some characters was about the only thing that English cricket had going for it in the 90s. We were awful.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Atherton achieved 52 Tests in charge,* largely because the England hierarchy didn't like Hussain and didn't want Stewart. Only 13 were victories if memory serves. And a batting average that peaked at 43 in 1998 which was not dusty for that era but wasn't earth shattering either.
*Consecutively as well, which is in fairness quite an achievement.
54 tests as captain, he captained two matches in 2001.
The former chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, and former health secretary, Matt Hancock, agreed to work for £10,000 a day to further the interests of a fake South Korean firm after apparently being duped by the campaign group Led by Donkeys.
Kwarteng attended a prelimary meeting at his parliamentary office and agreed in principle to be paid the daily rate after saying he did not require a “king’s ransom”. When Hancock was asked his daily rate, he responded: “It’s 10,000 sterling.”
Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 committee, also attended an online meeting for the fake foreign firm from his parliamentary office. When asked about the limits on arranging meetings, he made clear he could not advocate on behalf of the interest but said he may be able to advise the firm on who to approach in government. He said a rate of about £6,000 a day “feels about right” and any payments would be on a public register.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.
Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.
Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
Well I didn't know about the Gooch racism bit. And presumably Strauss had a better team to pick from. I doubt he'd have done so well against a peak West Indies/Pakistan/Shane Warne.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.
Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.
Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
Well I didn't know about the Gooch racism bit. And presumably Strauss had a better team to pick from. I doubt he'd have done so well against a peak West Indies/Pakistan/Shane Warne.
Strauss absolutely mullered Warne in the 2005 Ashes.
For purpose of selling NAMING RIGHTS, which beverage should be the OFFICIAL PB TIPPLE?
Nominations please.
My own being - Everclear!
- which is 95% alcohol by volume, at least until you actually open a bottle (say by cracking your drinking companion over the head with it). With "tired and emotional" soon followed by vomitous and comatose
The former chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, and former health secretary, Matt Hancock, agreed to work for £10,000 a day to further the interests of a fake South Korean firm after apparently being duped by the campaign group Led by Donkeys.
Kwarteng attended a prelimary meeting at his parliamentary office and agreed in principle to be paid the daily rate after saying he did not require a “king’s ransom”. When Hancock was asked his daily rate, he responded: “It’s 10,000 sterling.”
Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 committee, also attended an online meeting for the fake foreign firm from his parliamentary office. When asked about the limits on arranging meetings, he made clear he could not advocate on behalf of the interest but said he may be able to advise the firm on who to approach in government. He said a rate of about £6,000 a day “feels about right” and any payments would be on a public register.
'“We were wondering, do you have a daily rate at the moment?” he was asked by the woman interviewer, posing as a senior business executive. “I do, yes,” Hancock replied. “It’s 10,000 sterling.”
The footage showing his rapid response to a question over fees is likely to spark fresh controversy over concerns MPs may be bolstering their finances in ways that may be counter to the interest of the constituents they serve.'
For purpose of selling NAMING RIGHTS, which beverage should be the OFFICIAL PB TIPPLE?
Nominations please.
My own being - Everclear!
- which is 95% alcohol by volume, at least until you actually open a bottle (say by cracking your drinking companion over the head with it). With "tired and emotional" soon followed by vomitous and comatose
Any of the ultra-cheap and ultra-strong industrial ciders etc which come under the minimum price laws in Scotland, given how concerned PBUnionists are for the producers of the stuff.
The former chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, and former health secretary, Matt Hancock, agreed to work for £10,000 a day to further the interests of a fake South Korean firm after apparently being duped by the campaign group Led by Donkeys.
Kwarteng attended a prelimary meeting at his parliamentary office and agreed in principle to be paid the daily rate after saying he did not require a “king’s ransom”. When Hancock was asked his daily rate, he responded: “It’s 10,000 sterling.”
Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 committee, also attended an online meeting for the fake foreign firm from his parliamentary office. When asked about the limits on arranging meetings, he made clear he could not advocate on behalf of the interest but said he may be able to advise the firm on who to approach in government. He said a rate of about £6,000 a day “feels about right” and any payments would be on a public register.
'“We were wondering, do you have a daily rate at the moment?” he was asked by the woman interviewer, posing as a senior business executive. “I do, yes,” Hancock replied. “It’s 10,000 sterling.”
The footage showing his rapid response to a question over fees is likely to spark fresh controversy over concerns MPs may be bolstering their finances in ways that may be counter to the interest of the constituents they serve.'
Is it mandatory that politicians be dumber than rocks to get elected?
We have an unfortunate quoting mess upthread that has led to me reading this ... 'Hyufd said "oh wow I had sex in that churchyard"'.
When I die, I'd quite like to buried (or ashes scattered) under a big tree. A tree through with a long future. I'd like nothing more than that place be a site of romantic sex thereafter. Less keen on dogs (of all ilks).
I don’t understand these kind of requests.
Doesn’t it miss the whole point of just being dead?
Oh yes. Completely pointless if time/existence is as we think it is. I'd still quite like a small token of long-lasting fame through some great mathematical achievement. There can be no reason involved in the 'why'.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.
Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.
We have an unfortunate quoting mess upthread that has led to me reading this ... 'Hyufd said "oh wow I had sex in that churchyard"'.
When I die, I'd quite like to buried (or ashes scattered) under a big tree. A tree through with a long future. I'd like nothing more than that place be a site of romantic sex thereafter. Less keen on dogs (of all ilks).
I don’t understand these kind of requests.
Doesn’t it miss the whole point of just being dead?
The mind blanks at the glare. Not in remorse —The good not done, the love not given, time Torn off unused—nor wretchedly because An only life can take so long to climb Clear of its wrong beginnings, and may never; But at the total emptiness for ever, The sure extinction that we travel to And shall be lost in always. Not to be here, Not to be anywhere, And soon; nothing more terrible, nothing more true.
This is a special way of being afraid No trick dispels. Religion used to try, That vast moth-eaten musical brocade Created to pretend we never die, And specious stuff that says No rational being Can fear a thing it will not feel, not seeing That this is what we fear—no sight, no sound, No touch or taste or smell, nothing to think with, Nothing to love or link with, The anaesthetic from which none come round.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.
Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.
Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
Well I didn't know about the Gooch racism bit. And presumably Strauss had a better team to pick from. I doubt he'd have done so well against a peak West Indies/Pakistan/Shane Warne.
Strauss absolutely mullered Warne in the 2005 Ashes.
Warne was 10 years passed his best.
Just checking the figures Strauss scored 393 runs at an average of 39.30. Warne took 40 wickets at an average of 19.92. Perhaps that doesn't tell the full story of their individual battle though?
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.
Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.
Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
Was he ? I never knew that.
He led the traitorous England team to play apartheid South Africa.
He was rightly banned as was the rest of the team.
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
English cricket was full of characters in the 90s. Devon Malcolm, Phil Tufnell, Jack Russell, Robin Smith, Darren Gough. Atherton was admirable for achieving so much despite his physical weaknessess but Andrew Strauss? Eh? What about Graham Gooch?
Andrew Strauss took us to world number one.
Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.
Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
Well I didn't know about the Gooch racism bit. And presumably Strauss had a better team to pick from. I doubt he'd have done so well against a peak West Indies/Pakistan/Shane Warne.
Strauss absolutely mullered Warne in the 2005 Ashes.
Warne was 10 years passed his best.
Just checking the figures Strauss scored 393 runs at an average of 39.30. Warne took 40 wickets at an average of 19.92. Perhaps that doesn't tell the full story of their individual battle though?
He bowled Strauss with a fantastic ball in the second innings at Edgbaston. Literally turned him around.
It was actually a better ball than the one to Gatting, although it gets less attention.
Comments
Tell him you take multi-vitamins each day and then he can stop worrying about your wellbeing...
The judges took pity on me.
Edit: to quote from that documenty
"Wheat Flour [permitted maximum etc of ] Rodent filth: Average of 1 or more rodent hairs per 50 grams"
But then they say
"DEFECT SOURCE: [...] Rodent hair - post harvest and/or processing contamination with animal hair or excreta.
SIGNIFICANCE: Aesthetic"
Current one is a bit of a challenge.
She refuses to drive anything bigger than a Fiesta/Focus.
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/03/scottish-nationalists-defeat
"These tantalising questions have all now been answered – by the British state. Jeremy Corbyn, and the movement he inspired, have been ejected from mainstream politics in an operation so ruthless that even the memory of the 2017 general election has been eradicated. The SNP has secured numerous mandates for an independence referendum, all of which have splatted harmlessly against the wall of Westminster intransigence. Sturgeon herself, and her entire camarilla, are departing amid scandal."
To that list he could have added the defenestration of Boris Johnson - another agent of instability.
Corbyn, Sturgeon and Johnson. All out on their respective ears. Maybe things aren't quite so bad.
On veganism: my sister in law's partner has recently been advised to start eating meat again for health reasons. She is delighted. She loves meat and was quite disappointed when her consciemce forced her to abandon it.
I once met up with a chum at a twitch in Humberside. We'd all screamed up the M180.
"I looked in my rear view mirror - you were a dot. Then you were beside me. Then you were a dot in the distance. And I wasn't hanging about!"
(And it proved to be a dodgy sighting after all that. Pallas' Gull, if you were wondering...)
So one less leadership rival for Sir Keir to look out for, he just has to keep an eye on Wes in his rear view mirror now
They all have brass necks. For me that's a problem with having politicised it when they were brought in.
Furthermore 50 mph zones will be made into charging roads if they do not reduce emissions
I have just enough corner paint scratches so that anyone nicking it will have to do some work, and I don't need any more.
Angsting about trace amounts of either insects or rat isn't my thing, but products like solein can be guaranteed free of such contaminants.
Honestly, Vanilla is no respecter of persons!
Shall we be clear that the blockquotes have been shifted leading to misattribution in the
first nesting! ,😮
EDIT: And my contribution isn't improving things!
‘An alternative, but equally valid, topping’
(Edited for geography fail.)
I strongly encourage BigG to continue with that experiment.
Has he any humour ?
Macedonian percussionist Zoran Mazilov performs Bizet with liquor bottles.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tedgioia/status/1639675823123824640
But she liked being driven very fast. Very.
Which made her...nah, not before the lagershed....
Did go for a trip see Albert the Albatross and the Bearded Vulture but just cannot get excited about warblers.
I suppose the problem is that a lot of the rarities turn up in either Cornwall or Shetland so eating up motorway is something of a necessity...
You're welcome to the kale coleslaw though. Except...oh bugger....sorry.
Police forces in England and Wales have been accused of trying to “evade public scrutiny” after an Observer investigation found that the outcomes of dozens of officer misconduct cases have been deleted from their websites.
They include some of the most serious cases of criminality, including that of the serial rapist David Carrick.
An analysis of misconduct trials at 43 forces found the vast majority were either failing to publicise cases, despite a legal obligation to do so, or deleting misconduct cases from their websites after 28 days. Misconduct hearings can relate to any reason an officer is fired from the job including cases related to sexual offences or domestic violence.
The Police (Conduct) Regulations were introduced in 2020 to help forces act with “honesty and integrity”, according to the National Police Chiefs’ Council, in part by improving the transparency of misconduct hearings.
The law specifically calls on forces to publicise the results of misconduct hearings “as soon as practicable after the officer has been notified of the outcome of the proceedings”.
But analysis of the misconduct cases listed at every police force in England and Wales since December found that the records at 72% of forces were incomplete. Many were missing more than half or all of the misconduct outcomes.
While some forces openly declared on their sites that they removed all cases after 28 days, making use of a loophole in the regulations, in others it was less clear as to whether they had removed cases or simply failed to upload them in the first place.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/25/police-england-wales-deleting-outcomes-misconduct-hearings
Edit: because I forgot what a filthy minded bunch of reprobates lurk on this site
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJ's_Restaurants
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/25/sunak-used-incorrect-asylum-backlog-figures-statistics-watchdog-says
'Sir Robert Chote, the chair of the UK Statistics Authority, has written to the immigration minister, Robert Jenrick, to point out the inaccuracy.[...]
Chote wrote the letter in response to a complaint from Stephen Kinnock, the shadow immigration minister, about what he believed to be a factual inaccuracy by the prime minister referring to the asylum backlog under Labour as much larger than the current government backlog of more than 160,000.
Chote said the backlog stood at about 19,000 before Labour was voted out in the 2010 election.'
Doesn’t it miss the whole point of just being dead?
There was a cracking twitch to the east coast of Scotland, really in the middle of nowhere. Masked Shrike - nobody had seen one. Big gathering. Many with scopes and cameras.
We got approached by a heavy security guard, none too impressed. "How did you find out?" We showed him our pagers. "Jeez, you papparazzi are well organised..."
Turns out Ozzy Osbourne had recently acquired where the said bird had taken up residence....
So, you can't expect me to play nicely now.
68% say they don't believe Johnson.
Big question - what were the other 32% thinking?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIDJYMUL0mc
Sunak’s cricketing heroes are revealing. They include two England captains and opening batsmen, Michael Atherton and Andrew Strauss, who saw off fast bowling on sticky wickets. Another is the elegant Indian batsman Rahul Dravid. All three were careful players who got their heads down — a sporting metaphor for Sunak’s style of leadership if ever there was one.....
....The prime minister’s aides were cautiously optimistic weeks ago that, like Atherton, who led England in difficult times, Sunak was beginning to look like a man who could stop the rot for the Tories. With several opinion polls showing a slight tightening of Labour’s lead over the Conservatives, a few MPs are beginning to whisper about whether he might have it in him to take the party back to the top, as Strauss did with the England team. A Sunak ally declared: “This is Rishi’s party now.”....
....Those Tories who would like to see the party’s two biggest figures unite rather than fight, with Johnson campaigning aggressively for Sunak in the key red wall seats, might be encouraged to know the identity of the prime minister’s fourth cricketing hero: the maverick and priapic Shane Warne. Arguably the cricketing version of Johnson, Warne delighted the fans and frequently drove his captains mad with his ill discipline and carousing. But he was also every captain’s dream match-winner. Time will tell if the Brexit dragon has been slain.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-been-stumped-by-rishi-sunak-5rdvwrl77
OFSTED don't have any means of recording misdemeanours by their inspectors.
The reason you think I'm unpleasant is because I vigorously call out your ideology, and you take umbrage to it.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Only man to captain England to an away Ashes victory in the 36 years.
Graham Gooch was an enabler of racism.
*Consecutively as well, which is in fairness quite an achievement.
The former chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, and former health secretary, Matt Hancock, agreed to work for £10,000 a day to further the interests of a fake South Korean firm after apparently being duped by the campaign group Led by Donkeys.
Kwarteng attended a prelimary meeting at his parliamentary office and agreed in principle to be paid the daily rate after saying he did not require a “king’s ransom”. When Hancock was asked his daily rate, he responded: “It’s 10,000 sterling.”
Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 committee, also attended an online meeting for the fake foreign firm from his parliamentary office. When asked about the limits on arranging meetings, he made clear he could not advocate on behalf of the interest but said he may be able to advise the firm on who to approach in government. He said a rate of about £6,000 a day “feels about right” and any payments would be on a public register.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/25/top-tory-mps-ask-for-10000-a-day-to-work-for-fake-korean-company
Nominations please.
My own being - Everclear!
- which is 95% alcohol by volume, at least until you actually open a bottle (say by cracking your drinking companion over the head with it). With "tired and emotional" soon followed by vomitous and comatose
The footage showing his rapid response to a question over fees is likely to spark fresh controversy over concerns MPs may be bolstering their finances in ways that may be counter to the interest of the constituents they serve.'
The mind blanks at the glare. Not in remorse
—The good not done, the love not given, time
Torn off unused—nor wretchedly because
An only life can take so long to climb
Clear of its wrong beginnings, and may never;
But at the total emptiness for ever,
The sure extinction that we travel to
And shall be lost in always. Not to be here,
Not to be anywhere,
And soon; nothing more terrible, nothing more true.
This is a special way of being afraid
No trick dispels. Religion used to try,
That vast moth-eaten musical brocade
Created to pretend we never die,
And specious stuff that says No rational being
Can fear a thing it will not feel, not seeing
That this is what we fear—no sight, no sound,
No touch or taste or smell, nothing to think with,
Nothing to love or link with,
The anaesthetic from which none come round.
Just checking the figures Strauss scored 393 runs at an average of 39.30. Warne took 40 wickets at an average of 19.92. Perhaps that doesn't tell the full story of their individual battle though?
He was rightly banned as was the rest of the team.
It was actually a better ball than the one to Gatting, although it gets less attention.
https://youtu.be/rdPBYpUM99E
Edit - he hit a fine 129 against Warne at the Oval though, admittedly before Warne had him caught again.