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    Hugh said:

    rogerh said:

    hucks67 said:

    Danny565 said:

    I have now officially resigned myself to a Tory majority government.

    I doubt Labour will be making (m)any gains at all outside of London.

    For that to happen the Tories would need to achieve 38% of the vote, with Labour nearer to 30%.

    Labour are doing better in the marginals than the current polling average. There are quite a lot of people in parts of the country who are not sharing in this 3% growth the country is experiencing. Public sector workers might not be keen on keeping the Tories in government.

    If I were putting bets on, it would be Labour in the 290-320 range, with the Tories 250-280 range. Lib Dems will hold more seats than currently predicted, due to the fortress strategy, with I reckon about 30-35 retained. UKIP may win a handful of seats. SNP will take a handful of seats from Labour, but Labour may gain a couple from Lib Dems in Scotland.

    I think "SNP will take handful of seats from Labour " is dramatic understimate of lokely SNP success try in the range 20-30 gains.

    SNP are on a roll, but the maths in Labour seats works against them. Big gains are not lokely.
    are we doing tonight's posts in West Carntree accents?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288
    edited October 2014
    Curtice said there are only 3 seats where the SNP is less than 20% behind Labour.

    Surprised serious commentators haven't picked up on this.

    Curtice said the point is there is a large segment of people who vote SNP in Scottish elections but will go Labour in a GE.

    Presumably they do this on the basis that the Government will be Lab or Con - and they massively favour Lab.
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    HughHugh Posts: 955

    Hugh said:

    rogerh said:

    hucks67 said:

    Danny565 said:

    I have now officially resigned myself to a Tory majority government.

    I doubt Labour will be making (m)any gains at all outside of London.

    For that to happen the Tories would need to achieve 38% of the vote, with Labour nearer to 30%.

    Labour are doing better in the marginals than the current polling average. There are quite a lot of people in parts of the country who are not sharing in this 3% growth the country is experiencing. Public sector workers might not be keen on keeping the Tories in government.

    If I were putting bets on, it would be Labour in the 290-320 range, with the Tories 250-280 range. Lib Dems will hold more seats than currently predicted, due to the fortress strategy, with I reckon about 30-35 retained. UKIP may win a handful of seats. SNP will take a handful of seats from Labour, but Labour may gain a couple from Lib Dems in Scotland.

    I think "SNP will take handful of seats from Labour " is dramatic understimate of lokely SNP success try in the range 20-30 gains.

    SNP are on a roll, but the maths in Labour seats works against them. Big gains are not lokely.
    are we doing tonight's posts in West Carntree accents?
    Oi be voting Ukarrp.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    RodCrosby said:

    Sky: Plane from Dubai quarantined at Logan Airport, after at least five passengers start vomiting...

    It was probably the salmon mousse.
    Well that's cast rather a gloom over the evening hasn't it?
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    It's getting a bit tiresome, YouGov being late every night. If anyone at the Sun is reading, can we please return to the system of its appearing at 2155 on the dot. Cheers
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,336

    I'm having trouble getting comments below the lead article with Firefox. Works fine with Explorer. Any idea what I should do?

    On the other and, Explorer features an advert which looks awfully like a virus, called "Important message - A required driver is missing", with a "fix now" button. I'm sure it's OK, but I'm not clicking on it...

    That'll be malware, Nick. Don't click on it.
    Yes. Hmm. Wonder why I'm getting it as an advert.

    Also Firefox, has been hanging twice running now (when I try to kill it with ctrl-alt-del it's not listed, but when I try to start it, it says it's already running). Wonder if I've acquired a bug,

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    The "Trojan Horse” affair in Birmingham was merely the “tip of the iceberg” of Islamist infiltration in British schools, according to the man appointed by the Government to investigate the scandal.

    He strongly disputed a statement made two weeks ago by Nicky Morgan, the new Education Secretary, that ministers had “got to the bottom of the issue”. Asked if he agreed with the claim, made on BBC Radio WM, Mr Clarke said: “Of course the Government hasn’t got to the bottom of the Trojan Horse affair, nowhere near it.

    “You haven’t got to the bottom of it until you’ve proved or disproved whether there is something similar happening elsewhere [outside Birmingham].

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11157116/Trojan-Horse-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html
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    It's getting a bit tiresome, YouGov being late every night. If anyone at the Sun is reading, can we please return to the system of its appearing at 2155 on the dot. Cheers

    Bob ..... They're late with their polling findings simply to wind up PBers!
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Incidentally, how come we have an independent investigator to examine the Islamist school take-over, but not one for the thousands of kids raped by grooming gangs?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288

    It's getting a bit tiresome, YouGov being late every night. If anyone at the Sun is reading, can we please return to the system of its appearing at 2155 on the dot. Cheers

    I strongly suspect Lab lead back up to 4 or 5 tonight.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I've just seen a Democratic campaign commercial blaming the Republicans for the Ebola outbreak.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    I'm having trouble getting comments below the lead article with Firefox. Works fine with Explorer. Any idea what I should do?

    On the other and, Explorer features an advert which looks awfully like a virus, called "Important message - A required driver is missing", with a "fix now" button. I'm sure it's OK, but I'm not clicking on it...

    Use an Apple Mac, Nick. A little more expensive but much safer and easier to use than Widows using a PC.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    I cannot see comments either on Google chrome
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    One of the very best free anti-malware software programs is: Malwarebytes.

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Tim_B said:

    I've just seen a Democratic campaign commercial blaming the Republicans for the Ebola outbreak.

    The GOP have been running anti-Democrat ads on ebola for weeks.
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    HughHugh Posts: 955

    It's getting a bit tiresome, YouGov being late every night. If anyone at the Sun is reading, can we please return to the system of its appearing at 2155 on the dot. Cheers

    Depends on how good it is for the Tories.

    Perhaps RodCrosby could crank up Bertha and supercompute a chart on the matter.
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    I'm having trouble getting comments below the lead article with Firefox. Works fine with Explorer. Any idea what I should do?

    On the other and, Explorer features an advert which looks awfully like a virus, called "Important message - A required driver is missing", with a "fix now" button. I'm sure it's OK, but I'm not clicking on it...

    That'll be malware, Nick. Don't click on it.
    Yes. Hmm. Wonder why I'm getting it as an advert.

    Also Firefox, has been hanging twice running now (when I try to kill it with ctrl-alt-del it's not listed, but when I try to start it, it says it's already running). Wonder if I've acquired a bug,

    Nick - why don't you switch to Chrome? By general consent it's far and away the best browser.
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    Hugh said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    fitalass said:

    @Isam Luckily, been around the site long enough for a lot of other long standing posters to know that I don't tend to indulge in puerile name calling of politicians. I will call it a night on this thread as your obsession with this is in danger of boring other posters who might of come on here tonight to discuss politics or betting.

    I don't see why you are so defensive, surely you can acknowledge my point?

    I told you, very politely, that you were spelling Carswell incorrectly, and you carried on doing it.

    If I were calling you @fatalass constantly, while slagging you off, and kept doing so after you had corrected me, wouldn't you think it deliberate?
    In fairness, it's low-rent types from all parts of the spectrum that do it. Kippers are certainly prone to it. Fitalass isn't alone.
    Oh right.. well I never do it, and I gave her the benefit of the doubt too when she did. I cant be responsible for what other people do
    You must have seen it before? Even in it's mildest form, REd.

    Bugs me too. It's a common below-the-line-moron thing though. EUSSR. Guido's sewer in particular is full of it.
    It's as bad as Gideon, isn't it Hugh?
    How is Gideon a "hilarious" mispelling of the name of George Gideon Oliver Osborne, heir apparent to the Baronetcy of Ballentaylor and Ballylemon?
    It's a childish pisstake, which we all apparently agree is now frowned upon, isn't it?
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,336
    Ah, I've downloaded the new edition of Firefox, which has apparently fixed the problem. (Eyes computer nervously.)

    Have held out against Apple this long, too stubborn to change now. I disliked their snotty advertising...
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Hugh said:

    hucks67 said:

    Danny565 said:

    hucks67 said:

    Danny565 said:

    I have now officially resigned myself to a Tory majority government.

    I doubt Labour will be making (m)any gains at all outside of London.

    For that to happen the Tories would need to achieve 38% of the vote, with Labour nearer to 30%.

    Labour are doing better in the marginals than the current polling average. There are quite a lot of people in parts of the country who are not sharing in this 3% growth the country is experiencing. Public sector workers might not be keen on keeping the Tories in government.

    If I were putting bets on, it would be Labour in the 290-320 range, with the Tories 250-280 range. Lib Dems will hold more seats than currently predicted, due to the fortress strategy, with I reckon about 30-35 retained. UKIP may win a handful of seats. SNP will take a handful of seats from Labour, but Labour may gain a couple from Lib Dems in Scotland.

    I actually now think Labour will quite likely fall back from their 2010 share of the vote, which means the Tories could get a majority even with the same or slightly less votes than last time.

    Labour simply have not understood how disillusioned their "core vote" is, and I don't think they're going to understand in time. They're going to leak working-class voters to UKIP and middle-class voters to the Greens.
    Most people don't know what policies UKIP are in favour of. Nearer to the election, I think you find that people on the left side of politics won't like some of their policies.
    Labour will leak some votes to UKIP. The slightly, y'know, vote.

    But nowhere near enough to cost them seats, at least not on the scale of the Con->UKIP flood. Net positive for Labour.

    Once in Government, Labour should take it on and not pander to it. Immigrants and the poor are not the problem that working people in the country faces, no matter how much UKIP and the Rightwing media scapegoat them.
    The problem is probably those white people that love to play divide and rule right? Labour: the true home of racists.
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    HughHugh Posts: 955

    Hugh said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    fitalass said:

    @Isam Luckily, been around the site long enough for a lot of other long standing posters to know that I don't tend to indulge in puerile name calling of politicians. I will call it a night on this thread as your obsession with this is in danger of boring other posters who might of come on here tonight to discuss politics or betting.

    I don't see why you are so defensive, surely you can acknowledge my point?

    I told you, very politely, that you were spelling Carswell incorrectly, and you carried on doing it.

    If I were calling you @fatalass constantly, while slagging you off, and kept doing so after you had corrected me, wouldn't you think it deliberate?
    In fairness, it's low-rent types from all parts of the spectrum that do it. Kippers are certainly prone to it. Fitalass isn't alone.
    Oh right.. well I never do it, and I gave her the benefit of the doubt too when she did. I cant be responsible for what other people do
    You must have seen it before? Even in it's mildest form, REd.

    Bugs me too. It's a common below-the-line-moron thing though. EUSSR. Guido's sewer in particular is full of it.
    It's as bad as Gideon, isn't it Hugh?
    How is Gideon a "hilarious" mispelling of the name of George Gideon Oliver Osborne, heir apparent to the Baronetcy of Ballentaylor and Ballylemon?
    It's a childish pisstake, which we all apparently agree is now frowned upon, isn't it?
    Who, the Chancellor? yeah we all agree that **** is frowned upon.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Ah, I've downloaded the new edition of Firefox, which has apparently fixed the problem. (Eyes computer nervously.)

    Have held out against Apple this long, too stubborn to change now. I disliked their snotty advertising...

    I'm having the same problems with Chrome on my laptop. It's working find on Chrome on my tablet

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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    David Mitchell @davidmlondon

    Great non-denial. RT @georgeeaton: On whether she'd defect to UKIP, Kate Hoey tells me: "I don't respond to silly questions or speculation

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    PB is back! Prefer using the main site as I hope OGH gets some ad revenue from my relentless F5-ing.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,336



    Nick - why don't you switch to Chrome? By general consent it's far and away the best browser.

    I've got used to the fox and one of my translation vendors requires it, but I do have Chrome knocking around too. TBh I don't notice much difference between three of them...

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Sean_F said:

    MikeK said:

    Good Evening.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1439816a-52bb-11e4-a236-00144feab7de.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/comment/feed//product&siteedition=uk#axzz3G3O30LDC

    Janan  Ganesh has finally got the wind up and has pulled out all the stops in an FT blog smearing UKIP from beginning to end. He even brings Mathew Parris to his aid.

    I imagine that people in the West who are losing out to globalisation respond better to people who have some sympathy to them as opposed to people like Ganesh or Parris who sneer at them.
    What's amazing is that the BBC continues to broadcast the Daily Politics with three anti-UKIP people as their main commentators every week.
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    HughHugh Posts: 955
    Socrates said:

    Hugh said:

    hucks67 said:

    Danny565 said:

    hucks67 said:

    Danny565 said:

    I have now officially resigned myself to a Tory majority government.

    I doubt Labour will be making (m)any gains at all outside of London.

    For that to happen the Tories would need to achieve 38% of the vote, with Labour nearer to 30%.

    Labour are doing better in the marginals than the current polling average. There are quite a lot of people in parts of the country who are not sharing in this 3% growth the country is experiencing. Public sector workers might not be keen on keeping the Tories in government.

    If I were putting bets on, it would be Labour in the 290-320 range, with the Tories 250-280 range. Lib Dems will hold more seats than currently predicted, due to the fortress strategy, with I reckon about 30-35 retained. UKIP may win a handful of seats. SNP will take a handful of seats from Labour, but Labour may gain a couple from Lib Dems in Scotland.

    I actually now think Labour will quite likely fall back from their 2010 share of the vote, which means the Tories could get a majority even with the same or slightly less votes than last time.

    Labour simply have not understood how disillusioned their "core vote" is, and I don't think they're going to understand in time. They're going to leak working-class voters to UKIP and middle-class voters to the Greens.
    Most people don't know what policies UKIP are in favour of. Nearer to the election, I think you find that people on the left side of politics won't like some of their policies.
    Labour will leak some votes to UKIP. The slightly, y'know, vote.

    But nowhere near enough to cost them seats, at least not on the scale of the Con->UKIP flood. Net positive for Labour.

    Once in Government, Labour should take it on and not pander to it. Immigrants and the poor are not the problem that working people in the country faces, no matter how much UKIP and the Rightwing media scapegoat them.
    The problem is probably those white people that love to play divide and rule right? Labour: the true home of racists.
    No doubt which big Party is attracting the highest proportion of racists now that the BNP has collapsed, Socrates.

    The one that sells itself as taking a stance against matters foreign. The one you support. You are kidding no-one.
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    MikeL said:

    It's getting a bit tiresome, YouGov being late every night. If anyone at the Sun is reading, can we please return to the system of its appearing at 2155 on the dot. Cheers

    I strongly suspect Lab lead back up to 4 or 5 tonight.
    It's been late whatever the result recently - at one time I would have agreed with you but these days there seems to be no pattern behind its lateness. But it is always late!
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    HughHugh Posts: 955
    Socrates said:

    Sean_F said:

    MikeK said:

    Good Evening.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1439816a-52bb-11e4-a236-00144feab7de.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/comment/feed//product&siteedition=uk#axzz3G3O30LDC

    Janan  Ganesh has finally got the wind up and has pulled out all the stops in an FT blog smearing UKIP from beginning to end. He even brings Mathew Parris to his aid.

    I imagine that people in the West who are losing out to globalisation respond better to people who have some sympathy to them as opposed to people like Ganesh or Parris who sneer at them.
    What's amazing is that the BBC continues to broadcast the Daily Politics with three anti-UKIP people as their main commentators every week.
    They sometimes have muslims on too.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Socrates said:

    Tim_B said:

    I've just seen a Democratic campaign commercial blaming the Republicans for the Ebola outbreak.

    The GOP have been running anti-Democrat ads on ebola for weeks.
    I've not seen one. All the commericals I see heavily feature Obama. Why they'd abandon that for Ebola beats me.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Hugh said:

    Socrates said:

    Hugh said:

    hucks67 said:

    Danny565 said:

    hucks67 said:

    Danny565 said:

    I have now officially resigned myself to a Tory majority government.

    I doubt Labour will be making (m)any gains at all outside of London.

    For that to happen the Tories would need to achieve 38% of the vote, with Labour nearer to 30%.

    Labour are doing better in the marginals than the current polling average. There are quite a lot of people in parts of the country who are not sharing in this 3% growth the country is experiencing. Public sector workers might not be keen on keeping the Tories in government.

    If I were putting bets on, it would be Labour in the 290-320 range, with the Tories 250-280 range. Lib Dems will hold more seats than currently predicted, due to the fortress strategy, with I reckon about 30-35 retained. UKIP may win a handful of seats. SNP will take a handful of seats from Labour, but Labour may gain a couple from Lib Dems in Scotland.

    I actually now think Labour will quite likely fall back from their 2010 share of the vote, which means the Tories could get a majority even with the same or slightly less votes than last time.

    Labour simply have not understood how disillusioned their "core vote" is, and I don't think they're going to understand in time. They're going to leak working-class voters to UKIP and middle-class voters to the Greens.
    Most people don't know what policies UKIP are in favour of. Nearer to the election, I think you find that people on the left side of politics won't like some of their policies.
    Labour will leak some votes to UKIP. The slightly, y'know, vote.

    But nowhere near enough to cost them seats, at least not on the scale of the Con->UKIP flood. Net positive for Labour.

    Once in Government, Labour should take it on and not pander to it. Immigrants and the poor are not the problem that working people in the country faces, no matter how much UKIP and the Rightwing media scapegoat them.
    The problem is probably those white people that love to play divide and rule right? Labour: the true home of racists.
    No doubt which big Party is attracting the highest proportion of racists now that the BNP has collapsed, Socrates.

    The one that sells itself as taking a stance against matters foreign. The one you support. You are kidding no-one.
    Camerons little baby = UKIP.

    Labour government little baby = BNP

    Get it right.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Did Carswell vote ?
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274

    Ah, I've downloaded the new edition of Firefox, which has apparently fixed the problem. (Eyes computer nervously.)

    Have held out against Apple this long, too stubborn to change now. I disliked their snotty advertising...

    I'm having the same problems with Chrome on my laptop. It's working find on Chrome on my tablet


    Working with Chrome for me but not with Firefox or IE.

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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Hugh said:

    Socrates said:

    Sean_F said:

    MikeK said:

    Good Evening.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1439816a-52bb-11e4-a236-00144feab7de.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/comment/feed//product&siteedition=uk#axzz3G3O30LDC

    Janan  Ganesh has finally got the wind up and has pulled out all the stops in an FT blog smearing UKIP from beginning to end. He even brings Mathew Parris to his aid.

    I imagine that people in the West who are losing out to globalisation respond better to people who have some sympathy to them as opposed to people like Ganesh or Parris who sneer at them.
    What's amazing is that the BBC continues to broadcast the Daily Politics with three anti-UKIP people as their main commentators every week.
    They sometimes have muslims on too.
    Don't say to much,your mask is dropping.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,010

    MikeL said:

    It's getting a bit tiresome, YouGov being late every night. If anyone at the Sun is reading, can we please return to the system of its appearing at 2155 on the dot. Cheers

    I strongly suspect Lab lead back up to 4 or 5 tonight.
    It's been late whatever the result recently - at one time I would have agreed with you but these days there seems to be no pattern behind its lateness. But it is always late!
    Well, if it's always late, then there is a pattern. It seems to have moved to 10:30 rather than 10:00.

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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Those having trouble loading comments with some browsers should bring down the right button menu and click on reload. Solves it instantly.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Hugh said:

    Socrates said:

    Sean_F said:

    MikeK said:

    Good Evening.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1439816a-52bb-11e4-a236-00144feab7de.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/comment/feed//product&siteedition=uk#axzz3G3O30LDC

    Janan  Ganesh has finally got the wind up and has pulled out all the stops in an FT blog smearing UKIP from beginning to end. He even brings Mathew Parris to his aid.

    I imagine that people in the West who are losing out to globalisation respond better to people who have some sympathy to them as opposed to people like Ganesh or Parris who sneer at them.
    What's amazing is that the BBC continues to broadcast the Daily Politics with three anti-UKIP people as their main commentators every week.
    They sometimes have muslims on too.
    PB.com = kippergrievance.com

    The same tactics on show as the Nats in the run up to the Indyref - who lost.

    Makes it a dull place to be.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Stocks plunge

    For the 4th day (session) in succession the DOW has fallen over 200 points - 223 points today.
    Methinks something is happening and that the long heralded Bear Market has begun.
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Hugh said:

    Socrates said:

    Hugh said:

    hucks67 said:

    Danny565 said:

    hucks67 said:

    Danny565 said:

    I have now officially resigned myself to a Tory majority government.

    I doubt Labour will be making (m)any gains at all outside of London.

    For that to happen the Tories would need to achieve 38% of the vote, with Labour nearer to 30%.

    Labour are doing better in the marginals than the current polling average. There are quite a lot of people in parts of the country who are not sharing in this 3% growth the country is experiencing. Public sector workers might not be keen on keeping the Tories in government.

    If I were putting bets on, it would be Labour in the 290-320 range, with the Tories 250-280 range. Lib Dems will hold more seats than currently predicted, due to the fortress strategy, with I reckon about 30-35 retained. UKIP may win a handful of seats. SNP will take a handful of seats from Labour, but Labour may gain a couple from Lib Dems in Scotland.

    I actually now think Labour will quite likely fall back from their 2010 share of the vote, which means the Tories could get a majority even with the same or slightly less votes than last time.

    Labour simply have not understood how disillusioned their "core vote" is, and I don't think they're going to understand in time. They're going to leak working-class voters to UKIP and middle-class voters to the Greens.
    Most people don't know what policies UKIP are in favour of. Nearer to the election, I think you find that people on the left side of politics won't like some of their policies.
    Labour will leak some votes to UKIP. The slightly, y'know, vote.

    But nowhere near enough to cost them seats, at least not on the scale of the Con->UKIP flood. Net positive for Labour.

    Once in Government, Labour should take it on and not pander to it. Immigrants and the poor are not the problem that working people in the country faces, no matter how much UKIP and the Rightwing media scapegoat them.
    The problem is probably those white people that love to play divide and rule right? Labour: the true home of racists.
    No doubt which big Party is attracting the highest proportion of racists now that the BNP has collapsed, Socrates.

    The one that sells itself as taking a stance against matters foreign. The one you support. You are kidding no-one.
    This one?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2788837/my-party-s-scared-talk-migration-labour-mp-simon-danczuk-lessons-week-s-election.html

    I think you need to find yourself a new party.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Hugh said:

    Socrates said:

    Sean_F said:

    MikeK said:

    Good Evening.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1439816a-52bb-11e4-a236-00144feab7de.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/comment/feed//product&siteedition=uk#axzz3G3O30LDC

    Janan  Ganesh has finally got the wind up and has pulled out all the stops in an FT blog smearing UKIP from beginning to end. He even brings Mathew Parris to his aid.

    I imagine that people in the West who are losing out to globalisation respond better to people who have some sympathy to them as opposed to people like Ganesh or Parris who sneer at them.
    What's amazing is that the BBC continues to broadcast the Daily Politics with three anti-UKIP people as their main commentators every week.
    They sometimes have muslims on too.
    Do they ever have rapists that they are apologists for just because they're Muslim? No, that's just the Labour party.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    And were back in time to discover that YG is not out yet and we may have to settle from 3 polls today that result in EICIPM
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited October 2014
    Rod

    "Palestinian State recognised"

    Excellent news except that Dave "The Israelis have every right to bomb Gaza" Cameron is totally in thrall to the Israelis.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited October 2014
    Hugh said:


    No doubt which big Party is attracting the highest proportion of racists now that the BNP has collapsed, Socrates.

    The one that sells itself as taking a stance against matters foreign. The one you support. You are kidding no-one.

    Only one party has a former cabinet minister that says entire races do things wrong, and then remains in good standing. Labour's indulgence of Diane Abbott shows they don't give a damn about racism as long as its a non-white person doing it. Just like they don't really care about child abuse if it's non-white criminals. Labour treat people differently depending what race they are, making them the most racist of all the parties outside the BNP.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,782

    My dad is a pro EU kipper supporter

    CERN called. They're looking for a way to store antimatter. They want to borrow your dad for a bit...

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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Roger said:

    Rod

    "Palestinian State recognised"

    Excellent news except that Dave "The Israelis have every right to bomb Gaza" Cameron is totally in thrall to the Israelis.

    How easy of the left/labour to forget we had 13 years of a labour government.
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    viewcode said:

    My dad is a pro EU kipper supporter

    CERN called. They're looking for a way to store antimatter. They want to borrow your dad for a bit...

    We used to have a regular poster named Frank, but one day he tried to post at the same time as Antifrank.... :-(
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    Roger said:

    Rod

    "Palestinian State recognised"

    Excellent news except that Dave "The Israelis have every right to bomb Gaza" Cameron is totally in thrall to the Israelis.

    How easy of the left/labour to forget we had 13 years of a labour government.
    They were cowardly in power, paralysed by focus group.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Well not at all, actually.

    A non-binding motion that means absolutely nothing.

    What a great use of parliamentary time...
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Deborah Meaden ✔ @DeborahMeaden

    Enjoyed smart debate on @agendaitv @David_Cameron @rorybremner @AasmahMir @tombradby watch tonight ITV 10:35 and 11:05 Scotland

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    Roger said:

    Rod

    "Palestinian State recognised"

    Excellent news except that Dave "The Israelis have every right to bomb Gaza" Cameron is totally in thrall to the Israelis.

    How easy of the left/labour to forget we had 13 years of a labour government.
    Too busy thinking about Thatcher.. ;)
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three points: CON 31%, LAB 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 17%

    I was wrong!
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    Jeremy Corbyn and Mike Wood acted as tellers for the No in the Palestine vote because the No side refused to put up tellers. Otherwise the vote could have not been recorded
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Tim_B said:

    Socrates said:

    Tim_B said:

    I've just seen a Democratic campaign commercial blaming the Republicans for the Ebola outbreak.

    The GOP have been running anti-Democrat ads on ebola for weeks.
    I've not seen one. All the commericals I see heavily feature Obama. Why they'd abandon that for Ebola beats me.
    Meh. He's at 42 points approval. Bad, but not catastrophic. It's not like he's at second term Bush levels or anything.
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    HughHugh Posts: 955
    Socrates said:

    Hugh said:


    No doubt which big Party is attracting the highest proportion of racists now that the BNP has collapsed, Socrates.

    The one that sells itself as taking a stance against matters foreign. The one you support. You are kidding no-one.

    Only one party has a former cabinet minister that says entire races do things wrong, and then remains in good standing. Labour's indulgence of Diane Abbott shows they don't give a damn about racism as long as its a non-white person doing it. Just like they don't really care about child abuse if it's non-white criminals. Labour treat people differently depending what race they are, making them the most racist of all the parties outside the BNP.
    Yes I noticed you disproportionately worked up about child abuse allegations against muslim / non-white people.

    Your Party will be proud of your hard work on The Internet.

    Not that UKIP are a racist Party, let alone the true home of racists as you accused of Labour.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Well not at all, actually.

    A non-binding motion that means absolutely nothing.

    What a great use of parliamentary time...
    Agreed, stops them passing unwanted laws.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    Tonights YG LAB 339 CON 261 LD 21

    EICIPM
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288
    Wouldn't normally look at YouGov changes from prior poll but meaningful this time as 3 days since previous fieldwork which was largely pre Clacton. Changes are:

    Con -1
    Lab 0
    LD -2
    UKIP +1
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    philiph said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Well not at all, actually.

    A non-binding motion that means absolutely nothing.

    What a great use of parliamentary time...
    Agreed, stops them passing unwanted laws.
    They could have started work on the devolution issue earlier - rather than wasting time on this.
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    Slightly disappointing YouGov for Labour - needs to pull itself back up into the upper 30s. Tory score puts a gloss on it because it has rapidly fallen back to the mean but really Labour want to be doing a little better.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Tyko

    It has only been on the table since the Tories took over. I think things like this go way beyond petty party political point scoring. The Israelis have totally emasculated the Palestinians and have caused untold and unbelievable suffering.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Hugh said:

    Socrates said:

    Hugh said:


    No doubt which big Party is attracting the highest proportion of racists now that the BNP has collapsed, Socrates.

    The one that sells itself as taking a stance against matters foreign. The one you support. You are kidding no-one.

    Only one party has a former cabinet minister that says entire races do things wrong, and then remains in good standing. Labour's indulgence of Diane Abbott shows they don't give a damn about racism as long as its a non-white person doing it. Just like they don't really care about child abuse if it's non-white criminals. Labour treat people differently depending what race they are, making them the most racist of all the parties outside the BNP.
    Yes I noticed you disproportionately worked up about child abuse allegations against muslim / non-white people.

    Your Party will be proud of your hard work on The Internet.

    Not that UKIP are a racist Party, let alone the true home of racists as you accused of Labour.
    If there were thousands of child rapes in one town by white British perpetrators against Muslim kids, there were signs it had happened in a dozen other towns, and it was systematically kept on the quiet by the government, I would be very worked up about it.

    It just hasn't happened. Strange that.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Well not at all, actually.

    A non-binding motion that means absolutely nothing.

    What a great use of parliamentary time...
    Let's wait until Her Majesty actually receives the High Commissioner from Palestine.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    philiph said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Well not at all, actually.

    A non-binding motion that means absolutely nothing.

    What a great use of parliamentary time...
    Agreed, stops them passing unwanted laws.
    They could have started work on the devolution issue earlier - rather than wasting time on this.
    Well only if they have the proposal drafted to a standard that allows publication and debate.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,336
    Back to Labour +3 after an eventful few weeks! Still some twists to come...
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by three points: CON 31%, LAB 34%, LD 7%, UKIP 17%

    I was wrong!

    ENP 4.0
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Well not at all, actually.

    A non-binding motion that means absolutely nothing.

    What a great use of parliamentary time...
    It doesn't mean nothing. It's symbolic and symbols are important (not least in the Middle East).
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Roger said:

    Tyko

    It has only been on the table since the Tories took over. I think things like this go way beyond petty party political point scoring. The Israelis have totally emasculated the Palestinians and have caused untold and unbelievable suffering.

    What have you sacrificed to support the Palestinians?
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    NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    RobD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Well not at all, actually.

    A non-binding motion that means absolutely nothing.

    What a great use of parliamentary time...
    Let's wait until Her Majesty actually receives the High Commissioner from Palestine.
    Would Palestine join the Commonwealth?
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Well not at all, actually.

    A non-binding motion that means absolutely nothing.

    What a great use of parliamentary time...
    It doesn't mean nothing. It's symbolic and symbols are important (not least in the Middle East).
    It hasn't changed UK policy on the matter. It is just one Labour MP with a particular agenda - and they struggled to get anyone to act has Tellers for the No lobby.

    It is a classic piece of political masturbation - all it tells us is that Miliband isn't really in charge of Labour foreign policy.

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Ninoinoz said:

    RobD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Well not at all, actually.

    A non-binding motion that means absolutely nothing.

    What a great use of parliamentary time...
    Let's wait until Her Majesty actually receives the High Commissioner from Palestine.
    Would Palestine join the Commonwealth?
    As long as it stays out of NATO! I do not want to fight Israel.
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    Is 17 a record for UKIP under YouGov - can't recall seeing it that high before.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    MikeK said:

    Stocks plunge

    For the 4th day (session) in succession the DOW has fallen over 200 points - 223 points today.
    Methinks something is happening and that the long heralded Bear Market has begun.

    Maybe, although it's still at the level it was just two months ago and over a thousand points higher than where it was this time last year. It's true that the start of bear markets usually look like market corrections but there are a lot more corrections than crashes.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    Ninoinoz said:

    RobD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Palestinian State recognised

    274:12

    Well not at all, actually.

    A non-binding motion that means absolutely nothing.

    What a great use of parliamentary time...
    Let's wait until Her Majesty actually receives the High Commissioner from Palestine.
    Would Palestine join the Commonwealth?
    According to Sunil, all countries should ;-)
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Roger said:

    Tyko

    It has only been on the table since the Tories took over. I think things like this go way beyond petty party political point scoring. The Israelis have totally emasculated the Palestinians and have caused untold and unbelievable suffering.

    Petty party political points scoring ?

    Who posted this just before my post ?

    Excellent news except that Dave "The Israelis have every right to bomb Gaza" Cameron is totally in thrall to the Israelis

    On the Palestinians civilians,I agree.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Telegraph: Labour MP tells constituents "Don't worry about Miliband; he's not going to win..."
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    manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014
    UKIP equal their highest score in Yougov. Only twice before (once last year and once in June) have they been on 17.
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    NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    Socrates said:

    Hugh said:


    No doubt which big Party is attracting the highest proportion of racists now that the BNP has collapsed, Socrates.

    The one that sells itself as taking a stance against matters foreign. The one you support. You are kidding no-one.

    Only one party has a former cabinet minister that says entire races do things wrong, and then remains in good standing. Labour's indulgence of Diane Abbott shows they don't give a damn about racism as long as its a non-white person doing it. Just like they don't really care about child abuse if it's non-white criminals. Labour treat people differently depending what race they are, making them the most racist of all the parties outside the BNP.
    Labour doesn't care about child abuse even if it's White people doing it e.g. the BBC.
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    HughHugh Posts: 955

    Slightly disappointing YouGov for Labour - needs to pull itself back up into the upper 30s. Tory score puts a gloss on it because it has rapidly fallen back to the mean but really Labour want to be doing a little better.

    Upper 30s would be nice.

    But with the far-right UKIP rupturing the Right, even mid 30s is enough for a majority.

    As long as the far-right stay between 5 and 15 or so, Ed should be PM.

    Then the hard work starts.
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    FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    Let's hope the UK Government finally has the guts to recognise Palestine. It might go some way to compensating for the atrocious way in which we abandoned them in 1947.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    I typed in "yougov ukip high" into twitter and got this

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB · 8 May 2013
    Ukip surge to record high in first post-local election YouGov/Sun poll - but they'd still get zero MPs http://goo.gl/fHrs6

    That was 16% so maybe this is the new high? Prob still no MP's though :(

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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Saddened

    "What have you sacrificed to support the Palestinians?"

    Money. And a member of my family devoted much of her professional life to the Palestinian cause
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    manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014
    isam said:

    I typed in "yougov ukip high" into twitter and got this

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB · 8 May 2013
    Ukip surge to record high in first post-local election YouGov/Sun poll - but they'd still get zero MPs http://goo.gl/fHrs6

    That was 16% so maybe this is the new high? Prob still no MP's though :(

    They have previously scored 17 with Yougov on:

    02/06/2014
    08/05/2013

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    700th edition of Monday Night Football this evening. It started in 1970.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited October 2014
    Roger said:

    It has only been on the table since the Tories took over. I think things like this go way beyond petty party political point scoring.

    And your previous post?

    Dave "The Israelis have every right to bomb Gaza" Cameron is totally in thrall to the Israelis.

    Labour's Guardianista supporters really are a class act - can anyone more unashamedly hypocritical ever have walked on this earth?
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    I typed in "yougov ukip high" into twitter and got this

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB · 8 May 2013
    Ukip surge to record high in first post-local election YouGov/Sun poll - but they'd still get zero MPs http://goo.gl/fHrs6

    That was 16% so maybe this is the new high? Prob still no MP's though :(

    Time for a "we are the 17%" twibbon ?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,782

    viewcode said:

    My dad is a pro EU kipper supporter

    CERN called. They're looking for a way to store antimatter. They want to borrow your dad for a bit...

    We used to have a regular poster named Frank, but one day he tried to post at the same time as Antifrank.... :-(
    You can never have enough "Timecop" references, I find...
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Rod

    "Don't worry about Miliband; he's not going to win..."

    Is that what constitutes an opinion poll in the Telegraph?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    JackCade said:

    Is 17 a record for UKIP under YouGov - can't recall seeing it that high before.

    It is a record but not a new one. They hit 17% with YouGov first on 8/5/13 and then again on 2/6/14.

    YouGov's methodology has changed to be more favourable to YouGov since at least the 2013 score and possibly the June one (can't quite remember exactly when it was), so those earlier polls were probably slightly better for them.
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    HughHugh Posts: 955

    Roger said:

    It has only been on the table since the Tories took over. I think things like this go way beyond petty party political point scoring.

    And your previous post?

    Dave "The Israelis have every right to bomb Gaza" Cameron is totally in thrall to the Israelis.

    Labour's Guardianista supporters really are a class act - can anyone more hypocritical ever have walked on this earth?
    What do you call someone who promises no-more top down re-organisations of the NHS, then wastes billions doing exactly that?

    A hypocrit or a liar?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    edited October 2014
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    I typed in "yougov ukip high" into twitter and got this

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB · 8 May 2013
    Ukip surge to record high in first post-local election YouGov/Sun poll - but they'd still get zero MPs http://goo.gl/fHrs6

    That was 16% so maybe this is the new high? Prob still no MP's though :(

    Time for a "we are the 17%" twibbon ?
    Wouldn't read too much into the daily, or even weekly, poll movements really.. best to look over the long term trends

    Getting all hot and bothered about them is like celebrating/booing every time your team passes the ball forwards or backwards in football match

    EDIT: Oh, and I have no idea what you mean
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    "One long-standing Labour MP told The Daily Telegraph he has resorted to reassuring his constituents that Mr Miliband may never become Prime Minister in a bid to shore up his personal vote."
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11160185/Labour-whips-quiz-MPs-over-Miliband-concerns.html
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    Hugh said:

    Roger said:

    It has only been on the table since the Tories took over. I think things like this go way beyond petty party political point scoring.

    And your previous post?

    Dave "The Israelis have every right to bomb Gaza" Cameron is totally in thrall to the Israelis.

    Labour's Guardianista supporters really are a class act - can anyone more hypocritical ever have walked on this earth?
    What do you call someone who promises no-more top down re-organisations of the NHS, then wastes billions doing exactly that?

    A hypocrit or a liar?
    Neither, given that the manifesto explained exactly what was planned, and the reforms seem to be working rather well, although not as well as they would have done if the LibDems, having agreed the policy and co-written a very good introduction to the White Paper, hadn't decided to overlay it with a lot of unnecessary bureaucracy.
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    RodCrosby said:

    "One long-standing Labour MP told The Daily Telegraph he has resorted to reassuring his constituents that Mr Miliband may never become Prime Minister in a bid to shore up his personal vote."
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11160185/Labour-whips-quiz-MPs-over-Miliband-concerns.html

    Northern MPs have warned them that they want Mr Miliband to "speak English"

    Oh dear, that's a lost cause.
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Roger said:

    Saddened

    "What have you sacrificed to support the Palestinians?"

    Money. And a member of my family devoted much of her professional life to the Palestinian cause

    So some of the money you saved by avoiding tax, you spent on Palestine. And you know someone who made money, professionally, supporting them. You'll forgive me if I'm not overly impressed.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Richard.

    After 1200 civilians had been killed by Israeli bombs it was the crassest comment I've heard from a British politician for years. I'd have said the same whichever politician had said it
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860

    Hugh said:

    Roger said:

    It has only been on the table since the Tories took over. I think things like this go way beyond petty party political point scoring.

    And your previous post?

    Dave "The Israelis have every right to bomb Gaza" Cameron is totally in thrall to the Israelis.

    Labour's Guardianista supporters really are a class act - can anyone more hypocritical ever have walked on this earth?
    What do you call someone who promises no-more top down re-organisations of the NHS, then wastes billions doing exactly that?

    A hypocrit or a liar?
    Neither, given that the manifesto explained exactly what was planned, and the reforms seem to be working rather well, although not as well as they would have done if the LibDems, having agreed the policy and co-written a very good introduction to the White Paper, hadn't decided to overlay it with a lot of unnecessary bureaucracy.
    You disagree with Dave and George that it was a big mistake?
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    I missed the Farage documentary. Was it worth watching?

    Oh, btw great news. The Catholic church just became a teeny bit less homophobic;

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/catholic-church-acknowledges-gay-people-have-gifts-and-qualities-to-offer-at-synod-9792012.html

    It's a start.
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