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Hopefully, we’ll see some Lineker polling this weekend – politicalbetting.com

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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,019
    edited March 2023
    Carnyx said:

    Typical ignorance from you. Republicanism is a different question from independence. The two are only linked because Torty politicians like you keep dragging the Royals into politics.

    Look at those tables again. They are full of 30 and 40 in favour - not the 80 and 90 which your cringing royalism requires.,
    They are somewhat interlinked. Most nations which got independence from the British Empire or UK, including Ireland, now have their own heads of state.

    A win is a win, even if only 1% for monarchists in a hypothetical independent Scotland but the 16% headline lead for monarchists in Scotland is even bigger than the 10% lead for No to independence in 2014. Hence Unionists should make light of the fact that maintaining the Union keeps the monarchy, especially when the likes of Yousaf and Regan say they want Scotland to be independent and then to ditch the King
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,926
    Tres said:

    Serious thinkers know that Brexit has set this country back decades. It's not new news. My wife is pretty lefty on most things but still refuses to vote Labour as Jacqui Smith was the home secretary when she was going through the indefinite leave to remain process.
    She started following me on Twitter this week. Not sure to what I owe the honour. I have a decidedly random selection of political followers.
  • Klopp backs Lineker.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    HYUFD said:

    Ideally yes, especially those between 30-40.

    Then again the Conservatives won a landslide in 2019 despite losing most voters under 39
    A quarter of those voters will have moved into the higher age bracket in 2024 and you haven’t replaced the ones who have died.
  • Something for the antiwoke to lose their shit over.

    A head of risk assessment at the beleaguered Silicon Valley Bank has been accused of prioritizing pro-diversity initiatives over her actual role after the firm imploded on Friday.

    Jay Ersapah - who describes herself as a 'queer person of color from a working-class background' - organized a host of LGBTQ initiatives including a month-long Pride campaign and implemented 'safe space' catch-ups for staff.

    In a corporate video published just nine months ago, she said she 'could not be prouder' to work for SVB serving 'underrepresented entrepreneurs.'


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11848705/Woke-head-risk-assessment-Silicon-Valley-Bank-accused-prioritizing-diversity-issues.html
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,926

    Klopp backs Lineker.

    Time for the goalies next. Which way round is it: Southall the lefty and Shilton the righty?
  • TimS said:

    Time for the goalies next. Which way round is it: Southall the lefty and Shilton the righty?
    Yes.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,915
    edited March 2023
    Sandpit said:

    They were a very specialist bank, working with VC and tech startups. They have very few normal retail customers.
    Where do W3W keep their money?

    Just askin...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    I mean, I'm ashamed to say it but surely the real Match Of The Day was the England v. France rugby game?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,937
    Frank Lampard is a Tory out of a job.
    Just saying.
    Will help everyone get an early night for the Nation's general health.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    I mean, I'm ashamed to say it but surely the real Match Of The Day was the England v. France rugby game?

    Nope. It was Bolton v Ipswich
  • By 47% to 34% the public do not think it is ever appropriate to compare government policy to actions by the Nazis

    Yougov
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    GIN1138 said:

    What the BBC should have done is... nothing. Until summer... Then they should have quietly "revamped" MOTD and announced the new look version would be without the Sainted Gary. They should have thanked him so much for his contribution, wished him all the best etc etc. And quietly shoved him out of the back door.

    But they are where they are. At this point I can't see how they can take him back. The moment the producers start allowing the "talent" to call the shots their finished... As literally every loudmouth at the BBC will think they have carte blanche to say whatever they want and they will be untouchable.

    For better or worse they've taken a stand against Lineker and they have to stick by that now and wait for the media storm to roll on to the next "crisis"
    My guess is Lineker will refuse to make any apology or future commitment. The BBC will then issue a statement along the lines of, we have concluded our investigation and discussed our findings with Gary. We reiterated to him the importance of all our personnel maintaining strict neutrality on political issues. No further action will be taken.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,690

    I refer the honourable gentleman to the comments I made yesterday about SVB.

    Don't panic, I'm working on it [The SVB fallout]

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4330951/#Comment_4330951

    Honestly if it wasn't for insider trading rules the fact Caesar's wife must be above suspicion I'd be buying lots of bank shares right now.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4330959/#Comment_4330959

    It’s true, though, that banks in the US are sitting on some very hefty unrealised losses on their HTM bonds. That’s not a problem if they have strong balance sheets, but I’d guess there are a number of regional banks anxious about their corporate depositors deciding their cash would be safer in govt bonds.

    Other runs might not be impossible ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Something for the antiwoke to lose their shit over.

    A head of risk assessment at the beleaguered Silicon Valley Bank has been accused of prioritizing pro-diversity initiatives over her actual role after the firm imploded on Friday.

    Jay Ersapah - who describes herself as a 'queer person of color from a working-class background' - organized a host of LGBTQ initiatives including a month-long Pride campaign and implemented 'safe space' catch-ups for staff.

    In a corporate video published just nine months ago, she said she 'could not be prouder' to work for SVB serving 'underrepresented entrepreneurs.'


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11848705/Woke-head-risk-assessment-Silicon-Valley-Bank-accused-prioritizing-diversity-issues.html

    Oh well, this racist, sexist and homophonic bankruptcy will be leaving a lot of “queer entrepreneurs of color” looking for money next week.
  • I mean, I'm ashamed to say it but surely the real Match Of The Day was the England v. France rugby game?

    No - Bournemouth v Liverpool
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288

    By 47% to 34% the public do not think it is ever appropriate to compare government policy to actions by the Nazis

    Yougov

    The polling of public opinion seems to be that they support the Government on small boats, think Lineker's comments were out of order, but they still like Lineker and think he should be presenting MOTD and not taken off air.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,637

    I mean, I'm ashamed to say it but surely the real Match Of The Day was the England v. France rugby game?

    France = Labour
    England = Tories

    :)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    Barnesian said:

    I don't think the DG, Tim Davie, agrees with you. He's backpeddling like mad.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-64928582
    I dare say they are. But they're just setting themselves up for more problems down the track IMO.

    We shall see.
  • By 47% to 34% the public do not think it is ever appropriate to compare government policy to actions by the Nazis

    Yougov

    That's an old poll.

    There's a much newer poll on the subject of Lineker.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    By 47% to 34% the public do not think it is ever appropriate to compare government policy to actions by the Nazis

    Yougov

    That’s okay because it was the Government’s words, not actions, Lineker was so comparing. Which is why the public support him on this issue against the Tories, whose rhetoric has also been described as Nazi-like by Holocaust survivors. Who they also tried to ban as a result.
  • FF43 said:

    My guess is Lineker will refuse to make any apology or future commitment. The BBC will then issue a statement along the lines of, we have concluded our investigation and discussed our findings with Gary. We reiterated to him the importance of all our personnel maintaining strict neutrality on political issues. No further action will be taken.
    Most probably
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Hope you get it all sorted.
    Thankfully there’s nothing to get sorted. We are happy living where we are living, for the next decade anyway.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554
    edited March 2023
    GIN1138 said:

    I dare say they are. But they're just setting themselves up for more problems down the track IMO.

    We shall see.
    The solution is pretty obvious. Yes, talent running the show is bad for organisational discipline, but the ship has sailed, so getting ahead of it to limit the damage and at least keep the news reporters on message is probably the best they can do. The public don't care about the rest being partial (or even news, if we're honest, people like slanted news), and politicians sure don't, except on a case by case basis if they agree with the person in question.
  • Nigelb said:

    It’s true, though, that banks in the US are sitting on some very hefty unrealised losses on their HTM bonds. That’s not a problem if they have strong balance sheets, but I’d guess there are a number of regional banks anxious about their corporate depositors deciding their cash would be safer in govt bonds.

    Other runs might not be impossible ?
    I think most of you know my job involves stress testing the financial institution I work for (and the wider industry.)

    As worst case scenarios go this isn't in the top 20 and we can survive most of the scenarios.

    I think a nuclear exchange in Ukraine and/or a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is what might bugger things up.
  • That's an old poll.

    There's a much newer poll on the subject of Lineker.
    To be fair you can back free speech for Lineker but also consider it inappropriate to refer or imply actions by Nazis
  • The polling of public opinion seems to be that they support the Government on small boats, think Lineker's comments were out of order, but they still like Lineker and think he should be presenting MOTD and not taken off air.
    Seems that is a fair assessment
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Interesting fact. None of the teams that have lost 9-0 in the Premier League lost their subsequent league game agains the same opponent.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,937
    edited March 2023
    FF43 said:

    My guess is Lineker will refuse to make any apology or future commitment. The BBC will then issue a statement along the lines of, we have concluded our investigation and discussed our findings with Gary. We reiterated to him the importance of all our personnel maintaining strict neutrality on political issues. No further action will be taken.
    He's not their "personnel'.
    Contracted employees put on football commentary today.
    Why should he maintain strict neutrality?
    Before you answer that, ask yourself how you would feel if that was made a condition of contracting you.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,019
    DougSeal said:

    A quarter of those voters will have moved into the higher age bracket in 2024 and you haven’t replaced the ones who have died.
    And by 39 on average they will be on the housing ladder and open to voting Conservative
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554

    The polling of public opinion seems to be that they support the Government on small boats, think Lineker's comments were out of order, but they still like Lineker and think he should be presenting MOTD and not taken off air.
    In fairness a decently nuanced position for a public poll for once. The outraged snowflakeson one side and the over egging free speech martyrs on the other are definitely milking things a bit far in comparison.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554
    HYUFD said:

    And by 39 on average they will be on the housing ladder and open to voting Conservative
    Why set you sights so low? Maybe try to get more peopel on the ladder and open to voting Conservative sooner? Just a thought.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    The polling of public opinion seems to be that they support the Government on small boats, think Lineker's comments were out of order, but they still like Lineker and think he should be presenting MOTD and not taken off air.
    As with many of us here, support freedom of speech but also agree with government policy on small boats.

    Obviously none of the pollsters are asking how funny we think it is, that the BBC have got themselves into a right mess from which there’s no way out that doesn’t diminish themselves and the “unique way they’re funded”?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,211
    edited March 2023
    dixiedean said:

    There's a fair way to go and it's three from eight.
    No one is marooned, and a single win jumps you heavily.
    Could be the most fascinating relegation battle in years. Wouldn't put money on anyone right now. Particularly as none of the eight seem able to score much.
    Yeah, but we have Rodgers, and his teams always fade in the run in. We have no leeway for that.

    The stands started emptying 20 min early today, with the remaining fans singing that Brendan needs to be sacked. It is getting to be a toxic atmosphere.

    Cracking goal by Daka though.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,101
    FF43 said:

    My guess is Lineker will refuse to make any apology or future commitment. The BBC will then issue a statement along the lines of, we have concluded our investigation and discussed our findings with Gary. We reiterated to him the importance of all our personnel maintaining strict neutrality on political issues. No further action will be taken.

    They did that on Thursday.

    Then fucked it up on Friday
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    TimS said:

    That’s the worry.

    But, fundamentals are quite strong. It’s been a long time since I’ve been able to say that.

    Commodity prices are declining and a Chinese steel-buying boom looks unlikely in the immediate future. So companies will have more money to spend soon.

    Wage inflation is taking off in the developed world thanks to continuing labour market tightness and cost of living, and that will continue. But the cost of living will fall due to commodities. So people will also have more money to spend soon. Plus they all saved during Covid and haven’t spent it all yet.

    And large language model AI is going to transform the white collar sector imminently.

    So this looks like a 1987 or 1997. Buying opportunity.
    The tech sector has started to get very interesting again and this will undoubtedly set things back, but I tend to agree that there will also be some very tasty bargains emerging over the next few weeks. But care will be needed. Totally agree on AI. I’ve just taken an advisory board position with one and I’m excited about it.

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,783
    edited March 2023
    GIN1138 said:

    What the BBC should have done is... nothing. Until summer... Then they should have quietly "revamped" MOTD and announced the new look version would be without the Sainted Gary. They should have thanked him so much for his contribution, wished him all the best etc etc. And quietly shoved him out of the back door.

    But they are where they are. At this point I can't see how they can take him back. The moment the producers start allowing the "talent" to call the shots their finished... As literally every loudmouth at the BBC will think they have carte blanche to say whatever they want and they will be untouchable.

    For better or worse they've taken a stand against Lineker and they have to stick by that now and wait for the media storm to roll on to the next "crisis"
    Logically, you're right. Regardless of one's views on Lineker's tweets, unless Lineker backs down (removes the tweet and promises good future behaviour), I'm not quite sure how the BBC can find a way out of this without removing him permanently. And it doesn't look as if Lineker will back down, for which he deserves credit (sticking to his principles/beliefs).

    All of which makes me think that it's been handled terribly. The BBC management have made what should have been a private matter a public one. They should have sought a resolution quietly, in private, without removing him from his role tonight and provoking the outpouring of solidarity. Poor decision-making.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,515
    DougSeal said:

    That’s okay because it was the Government’s words, not actions, Lineker was so comparing. Which is why the public support him on this issue against the Tories, whose rhetoric has also been described as Nazi-like by Holocaust survivors. Who they also tried to ban as a result.
    So you think that Lineker has been equating the government's words to gas chambers and starvation ghettoes ?

    Which would be even sillier of him than equating the government's words to the words of Hitler etc - assuming that Lineker has even read Mein Kampf etc, which I very much doubt.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    HYUFD said:

    And by 39 on average they will be on the housing ladder and open to voting Conservative
    That’s the point. Most of them won’t. The ladder keeps being pulled up.
  • Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-2)
    CON: 29% (=)
    LDM: 10% (+2)
    REF: 4% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)
    GRN: 3% (=)

    Via @Survation, On 2-3 March,
    Changes w/ 10-16 February.

    The Rishi boat bounce continues
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,343
    dixiedean said:

    He's not their "personnel'.
    Contracted employees put on football commentary today.
    Why should he maintain strict neutrality?
    Before you answer that, ask yourself how you would feel if that was made a condition of contracting you.
    sssh! That's the loophole that gets everyone out of this- in public, anyway.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,156
    edited March 2023

    The polling of public opinion seems to be that they support the Government on small boats, think Lineker's comments were out of order, but they still like Lineker and think he should be presenting MOTD and not taken off air.
    I disagree with the public on some of that (unsurprisingly) but it seems like a more coherent and self-consistent set of opinions from the public than normal.

    The people who tried to get Lineker to shut up, or cancel him for refusing to do so, are the people who allowed tribal politics to override good sense in this situation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,690

    By 47% to 34% the public do not think it is ever appropriate to compare government policy to actions by the Nazis

    Yougov

    No one has.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,783

    By 47% to 34% the public do not think it is ever appropriate to compare government policy to actions by the Nazis

    Yougov

    It's a good job nobody's done that, then.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288

    I think most of you know my job involves stress testing the financial institution I work for (and the wider industry.)

    As worst case scenarios go this isn't in the top 20 and we can survive most of the scenarios.

    I think a nuclear exchange in Ukraine and/or a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is what might bugger things up.
    Come on, if your financial institution can't survive a stress-test of the end of the world then you're not really doing your job properly.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,101
    ...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,693
    nico679 said:

    Who knew that the country needs immigration ? Sadly not enough given the Brexit vote .

    Amazing how quiet the Daily Mail and the rest of the right wing trash papers are on the fact that the government is having to loosen its work visa requirements.

    If by "having to", you mean "choosing to", sure. Skilled workers from all over the globe? Excellent. I don't regret the end of the fast lane for White People From Europe but perhaps you do.

    Polling shows the country as a whole is now rather relaxed about legal immigration, and the scale of this feeling is such that it must include many leave voters.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,101
    ...
  • Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-2)
    CON: 29% (=)
    LDM: 10% (+2)
    REF: 4% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)
    GRN: 3% (=)

    Via @Survation, On 2-3 March,
    Changes w/ 10-16 February.

    The Rishi boat bounce continues

    That poll was taken before the announcement of the boat bill
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,937
    edited March 2023
    And here's the nub of the problem.
    If you want to control your minions put them on the payroll. Pay sick pay and pay your employees NI.
    But they don't cos it's cheaper.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,515

    So you think that Lineker has been equating the government's words to gas chambers and starvation ghettoes ?

    Which would be even sillier of him than equating the government's words to the words of Hitler etc - assuming that Lineker has even read Mein Kampf etc, which I very much doubt.
    A few Mein Kampf references to Jews:

    The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus it denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and its culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet.

    If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men.

    Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord [p. 60].

    ...To what an extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams once every week: the best proof that they are authentic... For once this book has become the common property of a people, the Jewish menace may be considered as broken

    Here he stops at nothing, and in his vileness he becomes so gigantic that no one need be surprised if among our people the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.


    https://www.yadvashem.org/docs/extracts-from-mein-kampf.html

    I'm not up to date on what Sunak and Braverman's thoughts are on illegal immigrants but I suspect there's not much correlation with Hitler.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,211
    TimS said:

    Time for the goalies next. Which way round is it: Southall the lefty and Shilton the righty?
    Shilton backs Lineker though:

    https://twitter.com/Peter_Shilton/status/1634286069989494788?t=1soBVUjSdQ9z5l6uNJIOeA&s=19
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,101
    ...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,690

    I think most of you know my job involves stress testing the financial institution I work for (and the wider industry.)

    As worst case scenarios go this isn't in the top 20 and we can survive most of the scenarios.

    I think a nuclear exchange in Ukraine and/or a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is what might bugger things up.
    I get that.
    The systemic risk isn’t large, but that doesn’t mean there might not be some quite sharp sectoral consequences.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,352
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Still massive on a per capita basis.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    Sandpit said:

    As with many of us here, support freedom of speech but also agree with government policy on small boats.

    Obviously none of the pollsters are asking how funny we think it is, that the BBC have got themselves into a right mess from which there’s no way out that doesn’t diminish themselves and the “unique way they’re funded”?
    I actually support the BBC suspending Lineker on this, even if I'm in the minority, because I think he overstepped the mark with something so controversial that they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't, and thus brought them into disrepute.

    He created that situation. And he has to understand that's not ok.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 797
    HYUFD said:

    And by 39 on average they will be on the housing ladder and open to voting Conservative
    But they won't be. Because of Conservative policies
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,693
    edited March 2023
    Who made the decision to suspend Lineker? In all the coverage I haven't seen this information.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,783
    It's no surprise that the public is in support of 'stopping the small boats'. I mean, even lefties like me think that it isn't good at all to have so many people crossing the sea in that way - there must be a better way. So yes, I want to stop the 'small boats'.

    What's important is a) whether the policy introduced last week will actually work, and b) what does a sensible and humane asylum seeker/refugee policy look like?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    The issue of child deportation and detention under the new immigration bill could become an issue.

    The government says that only in limited circumstances would that apply .

    Apparently even Priti Patel is concerned by those aspects of the bill !

    She’s hardly Mary Poppins so I’d expect a quick row back from no 10 unless they want their boat policy to sink without trace !

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,937
    Foxy said:

    Shilton backs Lineker though:

    https://twitter.com/Peter_Shilton/status/1634286069989494788?t=1soBVUjSdQ9z5l6uNJIOeA&s=19
    Southall probably doesn't cos he hasn't set up a worker's Soviet.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,019
    edited March 2023
    DougSeal said:

    That’s the point. Most of them won’t. The ladder keeps being pulled up.
    39 is the current age more first own property with or without a mortgage than rent
  • Nigelb said:

    I get that.
    The systemic risk isn’t large, but that doesn’t mean there might not be some quite sharp sectoral consequences.
    This isn't an official prediction but I suspect the successful companies/sectors impact by SVB will get picked up.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,211
    carnforth said:

    Who made the decision to suspend Lineker? In all the coverage I haven't seen this information.

    Government stooges and placemen at the top of the BBC.

    If Lineker stays sacked, it is hard to see them surviving with their blatant bias.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,937

    I actually support the BBC suspending Lineker on this, even if I'm in the minority, because I think he overstepped the mark with something so controversial that they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't, and thus brought them into disrepute.

    He created that situation. And he has to understand that's not ok.
    So have plenty of others. But they've been pro government with nary a comment. That is the issue.
    Andrew Neill made a career of it.
    And he didn't score either.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,019
    kle4 said:

    Why set you sights so low? Maybe try to get more peopel on the ladder and open to voting Conservative sooner? Just a thought.
    I am not opposed to building more affordable housing for 30 to 40s, especially in London and the Home Counties where property is most expensive.

    Albeit that would come at the cost of some NIMBY over 50s going LD or Residents' Association/Independent at local elections especially
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,295
    edited March 2023
    HYUFD said:

    39 is the current age more first own property with or without a mortgage than rent
    Does the 'rent' figure include those still living at home? Seems an increasing number these days.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,343
    carnforth said:

    Who made the decision to suspend Lineker? In all the coverage I haven't seen this information.

    Sunday Times says it was Tim Davie himself. Though that my be stirring.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,693

    It's no surprise that the public is in support of 'stopping the small boats'. I mean, even lefties like me think that it isn't good at all to have so many people crossing the sea in that way - there must be a better way. So yes, I want to stop the 'small boats'.

    What's important is a) whether the policy introduced last week will actually work, and b) what does a sensible and humane asylum seeker/refugee policy look like?

    If we open a "safe and legal route", say by accepting asylum applications at the British Embassy in Paris, what happens to the half of applicants who are refused? They will get in the boats anyway.

    If a humane asylum policy involves shutting down the boat route for good, must it necessarily involve something not very humane looking (like the Rwanda policy)?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    What an improvement, MoTD without punditry, replays or idiotic graphics. It's the way forward!
    Pity about Leicester, though tbh they were useless.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,926
    Turns out if you do MOTD with no presenters, pundits nor commentators then it's total crap.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,515
    edited March 2023

    A few Mein Kampf references to Jews:

    The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus it denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and its culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet.

    If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men.

    Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord [p. 60].

    ...To what an extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams once every week: the best proof that they are authentic... For once this book has become the common property of a people, the Jewish menace may be considered as broken

    Here he stops at nothing, and in his vileness he becomes so gigantic that no one need be surprised if among our people the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.


    https://www.yadvashem.org/docs/extracts-from-mein-kampf.html

    I'm not up to date on what Sunak and Braverman's thoughts are on illegal immigrants but I suspect there's not much correlation with Hitler.
    It took me all of five minutes to google Hitler's thoughts about Jews, come to the conclusion that they bare no resemblance to government thoughts about illegal immigrants and then copy them into a comment here.

    Dos anyone think Lineker bothered to do any such checking ?

    I'll also suggest that anyone spouting off about Nazi Germany is very likely publicising their ignorance about both the present and the past.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,101

    Sunday Times says it was Tim Davie himself. Though that my be stirring.
    Davie today does seem to the one bricking it
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,926

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-2)
    CON: 29% (=)
    LDM: 10% (+2)
    REF: 4% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)
    GRN: 3% (=)

    Via @Survation, On 2-3 March,
    Changes w/ 10-16 February.

    The Rishi boat bounce continues

    3 polls with Lib Dem increases. Probably MoE, but I wonder if the warm vibes about the EU the previous week might have had a small halo effect for the LDs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,019

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-2)
    CON: 29% (=)
    LDM: 10% (+2)
    REF: 4% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)
    GRN: 3% (=)

    Via @Survation, On 2-3 March,
    Changes w/ 10-16 February.

    The Rishi boat bounce continues

    Gives 163 Tory seats on the new boundaries, albeit a Labour majority of 168, slightly less than the Blair majority of 179 in 1997

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=29&LAB=45&LIB=10&Reform=4&Green=3&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=17.7&SCOTLAB=30.3&SCOTLIB=6&SCOTReform=0.7&SCOTGreen=1.3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=41&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,078

    Turns out if you do MOTD with no presenters, pundits nor commentators then it's total crap.

    It really is. Sterile.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,937
    Davie will go to protect Sharp.
    Deputy heads will roll.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,662

    I mean, I'm ashamed to say it but surely the real Match Of The Day was the England v. France rugby game?

    Posh lads given a spanking.

    How sad.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,637

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-2)
    CON: 29% (=)
    LDM: 10% (+2)
    REF: 4% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)
    GRN: 3% (=)

    Via @Survation, On 2-3 March,
    Changes w/ 10-16 February.

    The Rishi boat bounce continues

    Broken, sleazy Labour on the slide!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,193

    At the same it's a nevertheless an interesting post from Lady Rabbit, though. I'm a bit unclear about this whole SVB business ; something else I've just read says only about 4% of their business is international, and that they have a "very limited presence in the UK market". Is this anything like right ?
    The U.K. VC market is smallish. Plus I understand that quite a few startups liked the idea of using SVB

    I have no plans but there is more to life than posting nonsense 24/7.
    Garbage. Posting nonsense 24/7 is your patriotic duty.

    Seriously - we will be left with @Leon23 if everyone leaves
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,690
    FF43 said:

    My guess is Lineker will refuse to make any apology or future commitment. The BBC will then issue a statement along the lines of, we have concluded our investigation and discussed our findings with Gary. We reiterated to him the importance of all our personnel maintaining strict neutrality on political issues. No further action will be taken.

    When has that ever been the case ?

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    dixiedean said:

    And here's the nub of the problem.
    If you want to control your minions put them on the payroll. Pay sick pay and pay your employees NI.
    But they don't cos it's cheaper.

    The Lineker court case that’s ongoing, looks very poor on how the BBC treated presenters a decade ago. They insisted that they work through personal service companies, while keeping a level of control that clearly made them employees under IR35.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Don't know what football programme this is on BBC1 at the moment, but it's quite relaxing.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,104
    When Priti Patel is rumoured to be readying to criticise the current immigration policy, surely things have gone too far?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,926
    edited March 2023

    It took me all of five minutes to google Hitler's thoughts about Jews, come to the conclusion that they bare no resemblance to government thoughts about illegal immigrants and then copy them into a comment here.

    Dos anyone think Lineker bothered to do any such checking ?

    I'll also suggest that anyone spouting off about Nazi Germany is very likely publicising their ignorance about both the present and the past.
    As a number of people have pointed out the current government’s language doesn’t bear much resemblance to 1930s Germany, it’s much more like 1930s Britain. To say we were lukewarm about receiving Jewish refugees from Germany that decade would be kind.
  • SNAP POLL: Britons say BBC was wrong to suspend Gary Lineker

    All Britons: 27% right / 53% wrong
    Con voters: 51% / 36%
    Lab voters: 10% / 75%

    Whomp whomp
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,783
    HYUFD said:

    Gives 163 Tory seats on the new boundaries, albeit a Labour majority of 168, slightly less than the Blair majority of 179 in 1997

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=29&LAB=45&LIB=10&Reform=4&Green=3&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=17.7&SCOTLAB=30.3&SCOTLIB=6&SCOTReform=0.7&SCOTGreen=1.3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=41&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase
    Better than 1997?
    Good result for your boys, then.
  • Everybody should hear this

    Mahlalela by Letta Mbulu, with Hugh Masakela

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlqppHJ2U-E
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    edited March 2023
    TimS said:

    3 polls with Lib Dem increases. Probably MoE, but I wonder if the warm vibes about the EU the previous week might have had a small halo effect for the LDs.
    Local election campaigns firing up???
  • This was the day the culture war was lost.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,078
    edited March 2023

    Turns out if you do MOTD with no presenters, pundits nor commentators then it's total crap.

    It really is. Sterile.
    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know what football programme this is on BBC1 at the moment, but it's quite relaxing.

    Yes I have it on with the sound off.
    I haven't a clue what is happening.
    It is as relaxing as watching tropical fish in an aquarium.
    It reminds me of the old interludes - the potter and so on.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,937
    Sandpit said:

    The Lineker court case that’s ongoing, looks very poor on how the BBC treated presenters a decade ago. They insisted that they work through personal service companies, while keeping a level of control that clearly made them employees under IR35.
    Well yes.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,637

    Everybody should hear this

    Mahlalela by Letta Mbulu, with Hugh Masakela

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlqppHJ2U-E

    My Cosmos is Mine - Depeche Mode

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S698DWXhu5I
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited March 2023
    Anyone know the details on why Silicon Valley Bank collapsed? (Apart from not having enough money).
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,401

    SNAP POLL: Britons say BBC was wrong to suspend Gary Lineker

    All Britons: 27% right / 53% wrong
    Con voters: 51% / 36%
    Lab voters: 10% / 75%

    Whomp whomp

    Its a bit more complicated than that.....

    Most Britons...
    1. Think the BBC are in the wrong over suspending Lineker;
    2. Don't think it's acceptable to compare gov policy with that of the Nazis;
    3. Support sports correspondents promoting their own politics on their own personal channels;
    4. Like Stopping The Boats™


    https://twitter.com/BNHWalker/status/1634682526835908610?s=20
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    It took me all of five minutes to google Hitler's thoughts about Jews, come to the conclusion that they bare no resemblance to government thoughts about illegal immigrants and then copy them into a comment here.

    Dos anyone think Lineker bothered to do any such checking ?

    I'll also suggest that anyone spouting off about Nazi Germany is very likely publicising their ignorance about both the present and the past.
    Whereas Sugar Photoshoping Corbyn in Nazi Uniform in a car with Hitler?

    No suspension.

    Why Richard
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    Barnesian said:

    It really is. Sterile. Yes I have it on with the sound off.
    I haven't a clue what is happening.
    It is as relaxing as watching tropical fish in an aquarium.
    It reminds me of the old interludes - the potter and so on.
    You should try with the sound on.

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