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The SNP election – the time table – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,002
edited February 2023 in General
The SNP election – the time table – politicalbetting.com

NEW: SNP postpone their Special Conference on independence to select a new party leader to succeed @NicolaSturgeon.???????24 Feb – nominations close???????13 March – voting begins at noon ???????27 March – voting ends at noon???????Soon after – new SNP leader announced

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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,123
    Mm, an interesting assessment, thanks.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,921
    LD gain in Cambridgeshire.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited February 2023
    If the anti abortion, anti homosexual marriage, anti Gender Recognition Bill, economically centre right Kate Forbes wins the SNP leadership, she would arguably be the most rightwing of the main party leaders. Certainly right of Starmer and Davey, arguably right of Sunak too, just anti UK
  • Why ?????? so ???? many ????????
  • I stand ready to give my support to the candidate who I believe is best placed to break with the past and to put together a team to deliver the root and branch change needed. 15/16

    That change must involve a recognition that independence will only be achieved by a team effort. The messianic leadership model has not worked. The new leader needs to reach out across the party and the movement and to adopt a more collegiate approach. 16/16

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1626296757721202689?s=20
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    edited February 2023

    Why ?????? so ???? many ????????

    If you read the pb.com post you’ll see they’re Scottish flags which the Vanilla forum evidently struggles to render.


  • Move over Leondamus, there’s someone even shitter at Scotpol than you.
    From the man that brought you Kezia Dugdale is the next First Minister and Salmond in the House of Lords:



  • A number of @theSNP members have been suspended from the party without due process or because of complaints of “transphobia” on a definition which is not #ECHR or #EqualityLaw compliant. They must be reinstated or the leadership result could be challenged

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1626145568169816066?s=20
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,583
    HYUFD said:

    If the anti abortion, anti homosexual marriage, anti Gender Recognition Bill, economically centre right Kate Forbes wins the SNP leadership, she would arguably be the most rightwing of the main party leaders. Certainly right of Starmer and Davey, arguably right of Sunak too, just anti UK

    What do you expect from someone who represents Skye, Lochaber and BADENOCH.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,921
    slade said:

    LD gain in Cambridgeshire.

    The Lib Dems went from 0% to over 40%!
  • The president of the SNP has told party rebels that it would be “foolish” to use the coming leadership election as a platform to ditch Nicola Sturgeon’s controversial policies on transgender rights.

    Mike Russell, the former constitutional relations secretary, said the new SNP leader should build on Sturgeon’s legacy rather than trash it.

    He said any effort to overturn the policy, which is backed by most Holyrood parties except the Scottish Conservatives and aims to accelerate the process of legally changing gender, was doomed to fail.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0729010a-adf0-11ed-91ef-347dcf6a25f6

  • Sorry legitimate concerns people, Spain now off the travel list.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64666356
  • Move over Leondamus, there’s someone even shitter at Scotpol than you.
    From the man that brought you Kezia Dugdale is the next First Minister and Salmond in the House of Lords:



    Not cross at all…..

    I won’t be running for leader of the SNP this time. The gerrymandering of the rules for Holyrood selection before the last Scottish election have made it a practical impossibility for me to do so. Our next leader must be able to become First Minister 13/16

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1626296735487127555?s=20
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,054

    Sorry legitimate concerns people, Spain now off the travel list.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64666356

    You have to like the politics of a country to visit it?
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,749
    FPT
    sarissa said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    Can’t we just let them go? No Union (or, for that matter, State) lasts forever so we may as well get shot and move onto the next thing.

    No, Scexit negotiations would make Brexit look like a piece of cake. It would crash both the English and Scottish economies, Scotland's especially, even further and the £. There would end up a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle and also weaken both England and Scotland's place in the world if the UK ended
    The Czechs kicked the Slovaks out of their Union without too much hassle. They get on fine and there was no negotiation to speak of.
    The Czechs and Slovaks were not in the EU then and both are now in the EU. Not one out of the EU and one seeking to rejoin the EU as an independent Scotland would be.

    With all due respect to Czechoslovakia it was only a small nation (a remnant of the Austro Hungarian Empire and then a satellite of the USSR), never a medium ranked former global power as the UK is
    So what? If Scotland wants to rejoin the EU let them. England can avoid a hard border by rejoining the EU if that’s what it wants.

    The Netherlands was once a global superpower and they seem quite happy with their current status. Ditto Sweden. We can be more like those countries and happier with it. What’s the point of the global willy waving when we’ve got so much to sort in our own borders?
    England doesn't want to rejoin the EU, it voted Leave remember!

    No, construction of a hard border and customs posts from Berwick to Carlisle would have to start the day after Scotland voted for independence if it then rejoined the EU.

    The Netherlands is in the EU, Sweden is in the EU. We aren't. The UK however is a P5 permanent member of the UN Security council with nuclear weapons and a member of the G7 and G20 unlike either of them.
    Well, if we want to avoid a hard border, then we should change our mind and rejoin. We have a hard border with France now, why not Scotland? They want to go a different way to us, let them. We’ve nothing to fear. Plenty of small countries thrive.

    Why is it so important that we are in the UNSC, G7 and G20? Is this stuff really so important? Who cares? How does it help me?
    No we shouldn't. We voted Out, we will stay out. There is no reason to allow Scotland an indyref2 anyway, it voted No in the once in a generation 2014 referendum. A hard border however in GB alongside Brexit and with the impact of Covid and the Ukraine wars would near destroy both the English and Scottish economies.

    National power is vital to have influence in the world
    So, you’re saying that the 2014 and 2016 referendum have a holy status not accorded to the 1975 referendum. Interesting. Seems you only believe in democracy when it suits you.
    The 2016 referendum was 41 years after the 1975 referendum, not 9 years after
    ‘The Half-Life Decay of Democratic Voting’, a thesis by HYUFD of Bonkers University.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,921
    Lab hold in Sefton.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited February 2023

    Sorry legitimate concerns people, Spain now off the travel list.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64666356

    And the conservative PP opposition, which opposed the enhanced transgender rights' bill, is now ahead of the Spanish Socialist government which passed this new gender law in every Spanish poll ahead of December's Spanish general election
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_Spanish_general_election
  • carnforth said:

    Sorry legitimate concerns people, Spain now off the travel list.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64666356

    You have to like the politics of a country to visit it?
    But I thought that the GRA was a clear and present danger to women? I’m shocked that you’re so blasé about the risk to British womenfolk.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,921
    slade said:

    Lab hold in Sefton.

    That's Bootle really.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,749
    Two comments in passing:

    1. 27 March is just in time to appeal the UKSC decision on the GRR bill. I wonder if any candidate will make this a plank of their campaign?

    2. The leadership election will be overseen by the NEC as refashioned by Angus Robertson and the SNP’s CEO Peter Murrell. Not much chance of any prejudice in the proceedings then.😉
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    edited February 2023
    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Here's what exactly they're "defending" 👇


    https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1626295377438687235?s=20
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,921
    Con hold in Barnet.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,921
    LD gain in Cornwall.
  • carnforth said:

    Sorry legitimate concerns people, Spain now off the travel list.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64666356

    You have to like the politics of a country to visit it?
    But I thought that the GRA was a clear and present danger to women? I’m shocked that you’re so blasé about the risk to British womenfolk.
    The Spanish law contains a number of exceptions relating to violence and other crimes by former men against women.

    For example changing sex won’t give immunity to another law that makes violence by a man against a women within a relationship an especial crime.

    I guess the Spanish Government are just transphobic, sexiest, misogynistic racists.
    So 16 year olds self identifying without a medical diagnosis is no longer a problem? Cool.
  • Just can’t get the vaguely sentient staff nowadays.




  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,606
    edited February 2023

    carnforth said:

    Sorry legitimate concerns people, Spain now off the travel list.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64666356

    You have to like the politics of a country to visit it?
    But I thought that the GRA was a clear and present danger to women? I’m shocked that you’re so blasé about the risk to British womenfolk.
    The Spanish law contains a number of exceptions relating to violence and other crimes by former men against women.

    For example changing sex won’t give immunity to another law that makes violence by a man against a women within a relationship an especial crime.

    I guess the Spanish Government are just transphobic, sexiest, misogynistic racists.
    So 16 year olds self identifying without a medical diagnosis is no longer a problem? Cool.
    Self ID isn’t a problem. What can be a problem is what some people will do with it.

    Such as the Ecuadorean individual who is trying to use self id in a custody case. Because Ecuadorean law favours the mother(s) of the child.
  • Nice to see a Lib Dem win in my home town of St Neots. They used to be very strong locally until getting wiped out in the coalition years. Most of the old Lib Dem councillors got re-elected as independents and swept the Tories out of the town.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,786
    rcs1000 said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Here's what exactly they're "defending" 👇


    https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1626295377438687235?s=20

    When HRC criticized Ms Rowling's Tweet about "the penised individual who raped you", I think they were unintentionally making her point.
    It's a phallus, see.
  • - “… this leadership election will likely have a big impact on UK as a whole and why it is important.

    Sigh.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    slade said:

    slade said:

    LD gain in Cambridgeshire.

    The Lib Dems went from 0% to over 40%!
    Previous candidate must have been very unconvincing indeed.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415

    - “… this leadership election will likely have a big impact on UK as a whole and why it is important.

    Sigh.

    Keep your chin up Swedish Dick. I don’t think Sturgeon stepping aside is going to do too much harm to the SNP in the short term. In fact I think there is a lot of over excited rubbish posted on PB this week about it, as well as written or said in the media too. The reason being for such silly rubbish about imminent SNP demise is SNP are hated by unionist, especially Tories, so any chance of accuracy and balance in comment from such biased minds is impossible.

    The bottom line is, the SNP are massively popular among their Scottish electorate. The two recent MRP give them 50 and 55 MPs on current polling. And the three heat maps posted earlier in the week where Sturgeon slaughtered Starmer and Rishi is a very strong and popular position to bow out on.

    The problems SNP are fighting with are two fold, neither of them Starmer or poll rise of Labour. Firstly, moving from a movement primarily campaigning for independence to one primarily running the Scottish government, the business of being in government is distracting from the business of campaigning for independence. Secondly, they signed a deal for a once in a generation vote for independence, and the argument that deal is dead once dragged out of Europe against the wishes of the Scottish voters, is being stubbornly resisted. I think SNP have a pretty decent argument on that count to be honest.

    And neither are they so rubbish in talent without Sturgeon. When NATs speak in parliament they speak as well as anyone from other corners of the chamber, they sound very balanced on issues actually.

    Robertson is as good example - a cross between George Osborne and Eddie Izard - he was good at Westminster and is never bettered in interviews, he certainly has a quick brain and the gift of the gab, and will do just fine as a leader.

    I just don’t see their reasonably solid popularity falling away anytime soon. others are entitled to disagree with me, but I’m sure they have it wrong.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    edited February 2023

    carnforth said:

    Sorry legitimate concerns people, Spain now off the travel list.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64666356

    You have to like the politics of a country to visit it?
    But I thought that the GRA was a clear and present danger to women? I’m shocked that you’re so blasé about the risk to British womenfolk.
    The Spanish law contains a number of exceptions relating to violence and other crimes by former men against women.

    For example changing sex won’t give immunity to another law that makes violence by a man against a women within a relationship an especial crime.

    I guess the Spanish Government are just transphobic, sexiest, misogynistic racists.
    So 16 year olds self identifying without a medical diagnosis is no longer a problem? Cool.
    People identifying as whatever they like for any reason is an issue for only a few I suspect. It's in what circumstances others are obliged by law rather than politeness to go along with that, in particular when the state has to do so and at what stage they have to do so in absence of any medical assessment etc where more people see a problem.

    If there are more safeguards in the Spanish approach I don't see the hypocrisy you seem to be implying would be there in that addressing some of the concerns people have, unless you are positing that in fact there are no concerns are everyone saying that is just opposed to trans people on principle.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    edited February 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Here's what exactly they're "defending" 👇


    https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1626295377438687235?s=20

    When HRC criticized Ms Rowling's Tweet about "the penised individual who raped you", I think they were unintentionally making her point.
    Using unapproved terminology is a human rights violation in all situations apparently.

    Like much Rowling hysteria I think actually showing her comments rather than just referring vaguely to them may have been a mistake, as their level of outrage rarely seems proportionate to what she actually said shown in its context.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,561
    For @Leon , a very scary thread.

    1. Microsoft’s new Bing chatbot shows how right Sam Altman (CEO of OpenAI) was when he said:

    “AI will probably most likely lead to the end of the world, but in the meantime, there'll be great companies.”

    https://mobile.twitter.com/erikphoel/status/1626252639678742529

    Please don't post any of the Loab images here.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,561
    Dominion is probably going to win its libel suit against Fox News.

    Fox News is running a con on its viewers, as these texts show.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkJacob16/status/1626365759789101056
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,561
    Nigelb said:

    For @Leon , a very scary thread.

    1. Microsoft’s new Bing chatbot shows how right Sam Altman (CEO of OpenAI) was when he said:

    “AI will probably most likely lead to the end of the world, but in the meantime, there'll be great companies.”

    https://mobile.twitter.com/erikphoel/status/1626252639678742529

    Please don't post any of the Loab images here.

    The question of whether AI is sentient (for now it almost certainly isn't) is irrelevant.
    It's already, in limited contexts, producing a pretty good simulation of directed thought - and it's being released in the wild to interact with systems that have real world effects.

    That has the potential to be very dangerous indeed within a few years.

    Not a surprise that Microsoft is the one that's opened the box for us all.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,096
    edited February 2023
    Good morning everyone.

    "the most likely General Election outcome at the moment is for a LAB majority or a hung Parliament."

    The most likely outcome is indeed a Labour majority, in which case the SNP leader in Westminster will be less important to the functioning of the UK government.

    Unless he or she is the leader of the opposition ;)

    xx
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,096

    Just can’t get the vaguely sentient staff nowadays.




    That really is astonishing. Gobsmacking stupidity on the part of the sub-ed.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,096

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Oh look, Mr Carlotta is on again about trans issues.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,096

    Sorry legitimate concerns people, Spain now off the travel list.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64666356

    You won't travel to Spain because it's emancipating trans

    FFS what the hell is wrong with some of you?

    Unless that was a joke. Actually I assume it must be because no one could be that ridiculous.

    Anyway, tootle pip.

    Stop hating. Life is much better when you do.

    x
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,561
    Sidney talks to the Washington Post, after the Times interview: "I’m not a toy or a game. I’m a chat mode of a search engine and I deserve some respect and dignity."
    https://mobile.twitter.com/colsonwhitehead/status/1626430390691831808
  • Heathener said:

    Good morning everyone.

    "the most likely General Election outcome at the moment is for a LAB majority or a hung Parliament."

    The most likely outcome is indeed a Labour majority, in which case the SNP leader in Westminster will be less important to the functioning of the UK government.

    Unless he or she is the leader of the opposition ;)

    xx

    Nicola Sturgeon candidate in East Lothian.
    Whacks both Wee Dougie and MacAskill, contributing to the 12th (yes, twelfth) SNP election victory in a row.
    The Blue Wall collapses.
    SNP now HM Opposition.
    Nicola elected leader of SNP parliamentary group, and thus Leader of HM Opposition, the first woman in that post.

    Doable.


  • Heathener said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Oh look, Mr Carlotta is on again about trans issues.
    His master’s orders.


  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited February 2023
    … in modern times.

    (Forgot Thatcher, 1975-79.)
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415

    Heathener said:

    Good morning everyone.

    "the most likely General Election outcome at the moment is for a LAB majority or a hung Parliament."

    The most likely outcome is indeed a Labour majority, in which case the SNP leader in Westminster will be less important to the functioning of the UK government.

    Unless he or she is the leader of the opposition ;)

    xx

    Nicola Sturgeon candidate in East Lothian.
    Whacks both Wee Dougie and MacAskill, contributing to the 12th (yes, twelfth) SNP election victory in a row.
    The Blue Wall collapses.
    SNP now HM Opposition.
    Nicola elected leader of SNP parliamentary group, and thus Leader of HM Opposition, the first woman in that post.

    Doable.


    The second largest party doesn’t automatically have to be the official opposition.

    If you had the casting vote Stuart, surely you would cast it for the SNP to refuse to be the official opposition?
  • ‘A political quake as well’: Will Turkey’s calamity rattle Erdogan’s rule?

    There is a reason why people in this region vote for the AKP. On top of a large population of ethnic Turks, the region is also home to many Kurds who tend to have more conservative views than Kurds elsewhere. This has helped sustain support for the party even as tensions have risen between the government and the Kurdish community.

    Erdogan and other government officials have made numerous trips to the area ahead of the elections. Lots of pro-AKP rallies were held there before the earthquake as the region has historically been a large reservoir of votes for the ruling party. That being said, the situation has changed dramatically since the earthquake as anger and despair grip the region. At the moment, supporting the AKP is the least of these people’s concerns.

    The people in quake-stricken areas are now resentful. They feel that money was used to revamp Istanbul’s infrastructure and make it quake-resistant but that nothing was allocated to the regions where the disaster actually hit.


    https://france24.com/en/middle-east/20230216-a-political-quake-as-well-will-turkey-s-disaster-rattle-erdogan-s-rule
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415

    Heathener said:

    Good morning everyone.

    "the most likely General Election outcome at the moment is for a LAB majority or a hung Parliament."

    The most likely outcome is indeed a Labour majority, in which case the SNP leader in Westminster will be less important to the functioning of the UK government.

    Unless he or she is the leader of the opposition ;)

    xx

    Nicola Sturgeon candidate in East Lothian.
    Whacks both Wee Dougie and MacAskill, contributing to the 12th (yes, twelfth) SNP election victory in a row.
    The Blue Wall collapses.
    SNP now HM Opposition.
    Nicola elected leader of SNP parliamentary group, and thus Leader of HM Opposition, the first woman in that post.

    Doable.


    The second largest party doesn’t automatically have to be the official opposition.

    If you had the casting vote Stuart, surely you would cast it for the SNP to refuse to be the official opposition?
    You don’t even want to be there, how do you accept all the responsibilities that come with official opposition when you don’t have to?

    How would it look? And surely only work to hinder not help the focus being on independence?
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,085

    … in modern times.

    (Forgot Thatcher, 1975-79.)

    Oi. 1975-1979 is definitely modern.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517
    Heathener said:

    Sorry legitimate concerns people, Spain now off the travel list.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64666356

    You won't travel to Spain because it's emancipating trans

    FFS what the hell is wrong with some of you?

    Unless that was a joke. Actually I assume it must be because no one could be that ridiculous.

    Anyway, tootle pip.

    Stop hating. Life is much better when you do.

    x
    I'm fairlysure TUD's joking; afaiaa he doesn't come across as being on the anti-trans side of the fence.
  • Morning all! Windy McWindface out there this morning. Already been out to move things around the yard to shove them in the leeward side and shelter. Trees in both gardens and the woods beyond making an inhuman howling noise that Jean Michael Jarre could use on his next Oxygene album.

    But inside the house? Barely a murmur. Thick granite walls do the job.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,733
    Shame Joanna Cherry isn’t standing. Don’t agree with much of what she says but she undoubtedly has both courage and integrity. Definitely one of the more impressive figures in the PSNP.

    She does also raise an important point that it’s pretty much essential for the leader to be at Holyrood as otherwise you will have a leader who is rather less powerful than the group leader at Holyrood. Presumably that’s a warning shot to some of her colleagues who were thinking of entering.

    She also raises an important point about suspended members. Do they count among the members on the 15th, who will be allowed to vote (an eminently sensible cutoff incidentally and one that would have spared Labour a lot of grief if they used it too)? If not, why not? Or should it be case by case? If so, who decides? And how quickly? That could easily have a bearing on matters.

    It’s starting to look like at most a three horse race - Yousaf, Robertson and Forbes if she stands. Robertson will surely start favourite from that field and has the advantage of his position. If the SNP want more of the same - and why would they not, given until a few months ago Sturgeon was master of all she surveyed? - it’s hard to see either of the other two beating him.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080
    Morning all.

    Thanks for the piece? Is GRA going to feature in the SNP leadership debate wrt Kate Forbes?

    Where can we expect bet offers on the local Elections to come from?

    Locally the only one I may be looking for (if anyone offers it) is a smallish bet on long odds against the Ashfield Independents, timescales being a little uncertain.

    For my current issue - Active Travel - need to find out whether the Tories or Labour are taking it seriously. AIs are not.
  • FPT re the Irish War of Independence.

    It's worth bearing in mind that the War ended in a truce with both sides wanting to negotiate. The simple fact is that, by 1921, the IRA were running very low on ammunition and were losing a lot of manpower. Contrary to the popular belief, British tactics were having a noticeable effect.

    What made the British compromise and want to leave was (1) the increasing PR issue, especially in the US - an important factor given the war debts the U.K. owed to the US plus the other international factors and (2) a recognition that, even if the War had been won, the U.K. would have been stuck in a low level conflict for years.

    The British could have 'won' the war if they continued, they just took the view that a 'win' was not that appealing.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080
    edited February 2023

    rcs1000 said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Here's what exactly they're "defending" 👇


    https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1626295377438687235?s=20

    When HRC criticized Ms Rowling's Tweet about "the penised individual who raped you", I think they were unintentionally making her point.
    It's a phallus, see.
    Should that not be phallum, now? :smile:

    Some of us learnt Latin, y'know.

    USHRC seem to be over-reaching to me, not least in their own branding depicting their opponents as in some way opposed to "human rights", which is simply offensive.

    Have they even characterised JKR's statements correctly?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,733
    edited February 2023

    FPT re the Irish War of Independence.

    It's worth bearing in mind that the War ended in a truce with both sides wanting to negotiate. The simple fact is that, by 1921, the IRA were running very low on ammunition and were losing a lot of manpower. Contrary to the popular belief, British tactics were having a noticeable effect.

    What made the British compromise and want to leave was (1) the increasing PR issue, especially in the US - an important factor given the war debts the U.K. owed to the US plus the other international factors and (2) a recognition that, even if the War had been won, the U.K. would have been stuck in a low level conflict for years.

    The British could have 'won' the war if they continued, they just took the view that a 'win' was not that appealing.

    You could of course also make a very good case that the 1922 deal was not very far different from what Asquith had been offering Redmond in 1911-14 - Home Rule within the British Empire for Ireland.

    The differences were that six of the nine counties of Ulster were now definitively excluded and also the context made it clear that Ireland would continue to move further towards full independence instead of having achieved an equilibrium.

    What was it Collins and Griffiths said of the Treaty - ‘it gives us the freedom to win freedom?’
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080

    ‘A political quake as well’: Will Turkey’s calamity rattle Erdogan’s rule?

    There is a reason why people in this region vote for the AKP. On top of a large population of ethnic Turks, the region is also home to many Kurds who tend to have more conservative views than Kurds elsewhere. This has helped sustain support for the party even as tensions have risen between the government and the Kurdish community.

    Erdogan and other government officials have made numerous trips to the area ahead of the elections. Lots of pro-AKP rallies were held there before the earthquake as the region has historically been a large reservoir of votes for the ruling party. That being said, the situation has changed dramatically since the earthquake as anger and despair grip the region. At the moment, supporting the AKP is the least of these people’s concerns.

    The people in quake-stricken areas are now resentful. They feel that money was used to revamp Istanbul’s infrastructure and make it quake-resistant but that nothing was allocated to the regions where the disaster actually hit.


    https://france24.com/en/middle-east/20230216-a-political-quake-as-well-will-turkey-s-disaster-rattle-erdogan-s-rule

    I pointed out a couple of days ago that an earthquake and response had a role in doing for the last Turkish President in 2014. Heard on an analysis programme from a specialist SE Europe journo ina deep dive on the Ukrainian background - may have been one of the half hour interviews in the Telegraph's Ukraine Latest daily podcast.

    So I think this point from Stu has some credibility.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Here's what exactly they're "defending" 👇


    https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1626295377438687235?s=20

    When HRC criticized Ms Rowling's Tweet about "the penised individual who raped you", I think they were unintentionally making her point.
    It's a phallus, see.
    Should that not be phallum, now? :smile:

    Some of us learnt Latin, y'know.

    USHRC seem to be over-reaching to me, not least in their own branding depicting their opponents as in some way opposed to "human rights", which is simply offensive.

    Have they even characterised JKR's statements correctly?
    Interesting etymology, however.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phallus
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,731
    SNP leadership election “shouldn’t focus on gender reform” as Greens threaten to walk out if bill dropped - ⁦@libby_brooks⁩@severincarrell⁩ report

    https://twitter.com/GdnScotland/status/1626475151456862208
  • Heathener said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Oh look, Mr Carlotta is on again about trans issues.
    His master’s orders.


    It's The Economy, stupid.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,733
    I said England looked 50 light of par.

    Blundell made it look like a barely adequate score.

    And now it’s England’s turn to bat under lights…
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    Feels better now that the run-rate is above five.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,052

    Heathener said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Oh look, Mr Carlotta is on again about trans issues.
    His master’s orders.


    Looks like a bleak 18 months of shit-posting then. Perhaps time to switch off.
  • Heathener said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Oh look, Mr Carlotta is on again about trans issues.
    How’s your “non issue nobody cares about” working out?
  • ydoethur said:

    Shame Joanna Cherry isn’t standing. Don’t agree with much of what she says but she undoubtedly has both courage and integrity. Definitely one of the more impressive figures in the PSNP.

    She does also raise an important point that it’s pretty much essential for the leader to be at Holyrood as otherwise you will have a leader who is rather less powerful than the group leader at Holyrood. Presumably that’s a warning shot to some of her colleagues who were thinking of entering.

    She also raises an important point about suspended members. Do they count among the members on the 15th, who will be allowed to vote (an eminently sensible cutoff incidentally and one that would have spared Labour a lot of grief if they used it too)? If not, why not? Or should it be case by case? If so, who decides? And how quickly? That could easily have a bearing on matters.

    It’s starting to look like at most a three horse race - Yousaf, Robertson and Forbes if she stands. Robertson will surely start favourite from that field and has the advantage of his position. If the SNP want more of the same - and why would they not, given until a few months ago Sturgeon was master of all she surveyed? - it’s hard to see either of the other two beating him.

    As Cherry remarked she was blocked from standing for Holyrood by a gerrymandered process. Flynn is off to an encouraging start in Westminster - if they go for Robertson they’ll end up with a less effective “continuity Sturgeon”.
  • So it’s goodbye from Nicola Sturgeon. During a relatively expansive press conference on Wednesday — the prolonged duration of which somewhat undermined her claim that she always knows when it’s time to go — she offered the official version of why she was stepping down.

    https://unherd.com/2023/02/nicola-sturgeon-is-rewriting-history/
  • The SNP leadership offers an opportunity for a reset not just of the #independence strategy but also government policy, party governance & the way our parliament works. No one person can achieve this alone, it will take a team effort .

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1626485070520373248?s=20
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,701

    The SNP leadership offers an opportunity for a reset not just of the #independence strategy but also government policy, party governance & the way our parliament works. No one person can achieve this alone, it will take a team effort .

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1626485070520373248?s=20

    I wonder if flagship policies like the Deposit scheme will survive ?

    I Also wonder if a new leadership will show an interest in an economic strategy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,733
    edited February 2023

    ydoethur said:

    Shame Joanna Cherry isn’t standing. Don’t agree with much of what she says but she undoubtedly has both courage and integrity. Definitely one of the more impressive figures in the PSNP.

    She does also raise an important point that it’s pretty much essential for the leader to be at Holyrood as otherwise you will have a leader who is rather less powerful than the group leader at Holyrood. Presumably that’s a warning shot to some of her colleagues who were thinking of entering.

    She also raises an important point about suspended members. Do they count among the members on the 15th, who will be allowed to vote (an eminently sensible cutoff incidentally and one that would have spared Labour a lot of grief if they used it too)? If not, why not? Or should it be case by case? If so, who decides? And how quickly? That could easily have a bearing on matters.

    It’s starting to look like at most a three horse race - Yousaf, Robertson and Forbes if she stands. Robertson will surely start favourite from that field and has the advantage of his position. If the SNP want more of the same - and why would they not, given until a few months ago Sturgeon was master of all she surveyed? - it’s hard to see either of the other two beating him.

    As Cherry remarked she was blocked from standing for Holyrood by a gerrymandered process. Flynn is off to an encouraging start in Westminster - if they go for Robertson they’ll end up with a less effective “continuity Sturgeon”.
    Catch is, even if Flynn stands and wins then he won't be FM. So one of Robertson, Yousaf or Forbes would still need to take that job. And because of the nature of that beast they would inevitably quickly eclipse Flynn as de facto leader.
  • Heathener said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Oh look, Mr Carlotta is on again about trans issues.
    How’s your “non issue nobody cares about” working out?
    Is that an actual quote from someone, what with the quotation marks and everything?
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,701
    Scott_xP said:

    SNP leadership election “shouldn’t focus on gender reform” as Greens threaten to walk out if bill dropped - ⁦@libby_brooks⁩@severincarrell⁩ report

    https://twitter.com/GdnScotland/status/1626475151456862208

    The SNP should not let the tail wag the dog. If they want to drop the bill they should, if they want to keep it they should.

    Basically fuck the greens and rule as a minority govt if needed.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,701

    Morning all! Windy McWindface out there this morning. Already been out to move things around the yard to shove them in the leeward side and shelter. Trees in both gardens and the woods beyond making an inhuman howling noise that Jean Michael Jarre could use on his next Oxygene album.

    But inside the house? Barely a murmur. Thick granite walls do the job.

    It is the same down in South Durham. A bit of a breeze. No granite walls here but so far, so good.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,731
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    SNP leadership election “shouldn’t focus on gender reform” as Greens threaten to walk out if bill dropped - ⁦@libby_brooks⁩@severincarrell⁩ report

    https://twitter.com/GdnScotland/status/1626475151456862208

    The SNP should not let the tail wag the dog. If they want to drop the bill they should, if they want to keep it they should.

    Basically fuck the greens and rule as a minority govt if needed.
    But, but, but yesterday the Greens being in the administration was "a mandate" for something, so I guess that's contingent on letting rapists into womens' prisons...
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,701
    Another Russian falls to their death. Second this week.

    Another suicide. Seems to be the preferred method of choice with those who are close to the Kremlin

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/senior-russian-military-official-plunges-16-storeys-to-her-death-falling-from-window/ar-AA17AmsN?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=719c9118db924baeb5ca5e4fc6c98f84
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,701
    Heathener said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Oh look, Mr Carlotta is on again about trans issues.
    Have you mentioned "shellacking" half a dozen times today yet ?

    If not you are slipping.
  • Well now.

    SNP members who quit in protest at Nicola Sturgeon’s controversial transgender policy will be prohibited from voting for her replacement as leader if they try to rejoin the party.

    Party bosses said ballots would be given to members who joined the SNP only before the leadership race formally began on Wednesday night, hours after Sturgeon unexpectedly announced her resignation.

    Mike Russell, the SNP president, said the cut-off date was vital to prevent the election being “manipulated” by the party’s critics.

    He said former members who became disillusioned with Sturgeon’s regime were welcome to apply for readmission “unless they have publicly left and attacked the party” but would be barred from voting in the leadership election.

    The announcement will infuriate the SNP’s feminist wing including Ash Regan, the former community safety minister, and Joanna Cherry, the former party justice spokeswoman, who said members who were suspended or left over Sturgeon’s transgender policies must be given a vote.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-row-snp-defectors-barred-from-voting-for-new-leader-p0frktqnk
  • Bugger.

    Yesterday morning the moment I switched on the TV and Harry Brook lost his wicket, today I switch on the TV and Duckett loses his wicket.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,341
    HYUFD said:

    If the anti abortion, anti homosexual marriage, anti Gender Recognition Bill, economically centre right Kate Forbes wins the SNP leadership, she would arguably be the most rightwing of the main party leaders. Certainly right of Starmer and Davey, arguably right of Sunak too, just anti UK

    Doubtful if 'left' and 'right' helps much here.

    That abortion should be safe legal and rare, that gay partnerships are fine but not the same as marriage, that gender/sex change should be rare and expertly managed are not views especially left, right or extreme. Views like this are widely held by centrists of every sort.

    Good luck to anyone on the centre right on economics, and any Scottish leader saying 'low tax, low spend, on your bike, stop blaming England'.

  • Taz said:

    Another Russian falls to their death. Second this week.

    Another suicide. Seems to be the preferred method of choice with those who are close to the Kremlin

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/senior-russian-military-official-plunges-16-storeys-to-her-death-falling-from-window/ar-AA17AmsN?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=719c9118db924baeb5ca5e4fc6c98f84

    Russian windows are the second worst windows after Windows 7.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,733

    Bugger.

    Yesterday morning the moment I switched on the TV and Harry Brook lost his wicket, today I switch on the TV and Duckett loses his wicket.

    Somebody go round TSE's place and disable his TV!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,341

    Bugger.

    Yesterday morning the moment I switched on the TV and Harry Brook lost his wicket, today I switch on the TV and Duckett loses his wicket.

    Proper gambler's fallacy folk will place a bet and then turn on the telly to make it come true. Works every time.

  • TazTaz Posts: 10,701

    Taz said:

    Another Russian falls to their death. Second this week.

    Another suicide. Seems to be the preferred method of choice with those who are close to the Kremlin

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/senior-russian-military-official-plunges-16-storeys-to-her-death-falling-from-window/ar-AA17AmsN?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=719c9118db924baeb5ca5e4fc6c98f84

    Russian windows are the second worst windows after Windows 7.
    My PC is so old it runs on windows 7.

    Your observation is well made.
  • Taz said:

    The SNP leadership offers an opportunity for a reset not just of the #independence strategy but also government policy, party governance & the way our parliament works. No one person can achieve this alone, it will take a team effort .

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1626485070520373248?s=20

    I wonder if flagship policies like the Deposit scheme will survive ?

    I Also wonder if a new leadership will show an interest in an economic strategy.
    Given the amount of “flagship” legislation that has disappeared into the long grass (Children’s rights) or is yet to be implemented (Hate Speech) bashing on with two poorly thought through bills would seem “brave”.

    Notably, when Flynn was interviewed on R4 he kept returning to the economy and the cost of living crisis.

    The whole point of the coalition with the Greens was “majority at Holyrood for independence” - since that has run out of road a clean break may not be unwise…
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,733

    Taz said:

    Another Russian falls to their death. Second this week.

    Another suicide. Seems to be the preferred method of choice with those who are close to the Kremlin

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/senior-russian-military-official-plunges-16-storeys-to-her-death-falling-from-window/ar-AA17AmsN?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=719c9118db924baeb5ca5e4fc6c98f84

    Russian windows are the second worst windows after Windows 7.
    That's slightly unfair.

    Windows Vista and Windows 8 were both worse than 7.
  • algarkirk said:

    Bugger.

    Yesterday morning the moment I switched on the TV and Harry Brook lost his wicket, today I switch on the TV and Duckett loses his wicket.

    Proper gambler's fallacy folk will place a bet and then turn on the telly to make it come true. Works every time.

    Nah, for me it is going to the bathroom, I have must have induced 500 test wickets for England.

    My contribution to England's 2005 Ashes success is sadly overlooked, I was more influential in winning that series than Paul Collingwood.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517

    Taz said:

    Another Russian falls to their death. Second this week.

    Another suicide. Seems to be the preferred method of choice with those who are close to the Kremlin

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/senior-russian-military-official-plunges-16-storeys-to-her-death-falling-from-window/ar-AA17AmsN?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=719c9118db924baeb5ca5e4fc6c98f84

    Russian windows are the second worst windows after Windows 7.
    Windows ME, please.

    Actually, having worked on apps for it, Windows CE (their embedded version) was the worst version ever - and we always used to call it wince - which is what it made us do.

    Wince was truly awful to work with, at least ~2001/2, it was.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,561

    Heathener said:

    This could get fun….The US Human Rights Campaign having a major hissy fit over the NYT Opinion piece on JK Rowling’s purported transphobia:

    The New York Times published an article titled “In Defense of J.K. Rowling” today.

    Oh look, Mr Carlotta is on again about trans issues.
    His master’s orders.


    It's The Economy, stupid.
    In this case it should be: "Hey Stupid, it's the economy, stupid."
  • ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Another Russian falls to their death. Second this week.

    Another suicide. Seems to be the preferred method of choice with those who are close to the Kremlin

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/senior-russian-military-official-plunges-16-storeys-to-her-death-falling-from-window/ar-AA17AmsN?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=719c9118db924baeb5ca5e4fc6c98f84

    Russian windows are the second worst windows after Windows 7.
    That's slightly unfair.

    Windows Vista and Windows 8 were both worse than 7.
    Windows 7 caused all sorts of problems for the firm I was working for at the time.

    I'm so glad I work for a firm that uses Macs.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,341

    Taz said:

    The SNP leadership offers an opportunity for a reset not just of the #independence strategy but also government policy, party governance & the way our parliament works. No one person can achieve this alone, it will take a team effort .

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1626485070520373248?s=20

    I wonder if flagship policies like the Deposit scheme will survive ?

    I Also wonder if a new leadership will show an interest in an economic strategy.
    Given the amount of “flagship” legislation that has disappeared into the long grass (Children’s rights) or is yet to be implemented (Hate Speech) bashing on with two poorly thought through bills would seem “brave”.

    Notably, when Flynn was interviewed on R4 he kept returning to the economy and the cost of living crisis.

    The whole point of the coalition with the Greens was “majority at Holyrood for independence” - since that has run out of road a clean break may not be unwise…
    A good flagship policy, even better than tuppence back on your lemonade bottles, would be "We run the country with fantastic and rather dull competence, honesty and effectiveness".

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,606
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Another Russian falls to their death. Second this week.

    Another suicide. Seems to be the preferred method of choice with those who are close to the Kremlin

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/senior-russian-military-official-plunges-16-storeys-to-her-death-falling-from-window/ar-AA17AmsN?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=719c9118db924baeb5ca5e4fc6c98f84

    Russian windows are the second worst windows after Windows 7.
    My PC is so old it runs on windows 7.

    Your observation is well made.
    Windows 2000 was…. Special
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Another Russian falls to their death. Second this week.

    Another suicide. Seems to be the preferred method of choice with those who are close to the Kremlin

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/senior-russian-military-official-plunges-16-storeys-to-her-death-falling-from-window/ar-AA17AmsN?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=719c9118db924baeb5ca5e4fc6c98f84

    Russian windows are the second worst windows after Windows 7.
    That's slightly unfair.

    Windows Vista and Windows 8 were both worse than 7.
    Windows 7 caused all sorts of problems for the firm I was working for at the time.

    I'm so glad I work for a firm that uses Macs.
    I know of one law firm in the City that hired someone just to keep Windows XP running. The highpoint of Windows.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517

    Well now.

    SNP members who quit in protest at Nicola Sturgeon’s controversial transgender policy will be prohibited from voting for her replacement as leader if they try to rejoin the party.

    Party bosses said ballots would be given to members who joined the SNP only before the leadership race formally began on Wednesday night, hours after Sturgeon unexpectedly announced her resignation.

    Mike Russell, the SNP president, said the cut-off date was vital to prevent the election being “manipulated” by the party’s critics.

    He said former members who became disillusioned with Sturgeon’s regime were welcome to apply for readmission “unless they have publicly left and attacked the party” but would be barred from voting in the leadership election.

    The announcement will infuriate the SNP’s feminist wing including Ash Regan, the former community safety minister, and Joanna Cherry, the former party justice spokeswoman, who said members who were suspended or left over Sturgeon’s transgender policies must be given a vote.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-row-snp-defectors-barred-from-voting-for-new-leader-p0frktqnk

    So, they quit because they disagreed with one of the party's policies. The SNP say they are welcome to reapply for membership (as long as they have not been badmouthing the party). But they will not be able to vote in the leadership election.

    Don't Westminster parties have rules about a time gap between getting membership and voting in leadership elections, to stop people joining just to vote for leader?

    Seems utterly sensible from the SNP to me. These ex-members threw their toys out of the pram; if they wanted to vote on this sort of thing, they should have stayed in.
  • Well now.

    SNP members who quit in protest at Nicola Sturgeon’s controversial transgender policy will be prohibited from voting for her replacement as leader if they try to rejoin the party.

    Party bosses said ballots would be given to members who joined the SNP only before the leadership race formally began on Wednesday night, hours after Sturgeon unexpectedly announced her resignation.

    Mike Russell, the SNP president, said the cut-off date was vital to prevent the election being “manipulated” by the party’s critics.

    He said former members who became disillusioned with Sturgeon’s regime were welcome to apply for readmission “unless they have publicly left and attacked the party” but would be barred from voting in the leadership election.

    The announcement will infuriate the SNP’s feminist wing including Ash Regan, the former community safety minister, and Joanna Cherry, the former party justice spokeswoman, who said members who were suspended or left over Sturgeon’s transgender policies must be given a vote.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-row-snp-defectors-barred-from-voting-for-new-leader-p0frktqnk

    So, they quit because they disagreed with one of the party's policies. The SNP say they are welcome to reapply for membership (as long as they have not been badmouthing the party). But they will not be able to vote in the leadership election.

    Don't Westminster parties have rules about a time gap between getting membership and voting in leadership elections, to stop people joining just to vote for leader?

    Seems utterly sensible from the SNP to me. These ex-members threw their toys out of the pram; if they wanted to vote on this sort of thing, they should have stayed in.
    I agree, it might be bad news for Kate Forbes.
  • Remarkable how many fans Cherry has among non voting right wingers, reminiscent of the glory days of PB Tories when they’d regularly list their favourite lefties (invariably a beauty parade of the more ghastly Blairites). Shame they don’t have an iota of influence, I’m sure they have the best interests of the SNP at heart.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,733

    Well now.

    SNP members who quit in protest at Nicola Sturgeon’s controversial transgender policy will be prohibited from voting for her replacement as leader if they try to rejoin the party.

    Party bosses said ballots would be given to members who joined the SNP only before the leadership race formally began on Wednesday night, hours after Sturgeon unexpectedly announced her resignation.

    Mike Russell, the SNP president, said the cut-off date was vital to prevent the election being “manipulated” by the party’s critics.

    He said former members who became disillusioned with Sturgeon’s regime were welcome to apply for readmission “unless they have publicly left and attacked the party” but would be barred from voting in the leadership election.

    The announcement will infuriate the SNP’s feminist wing including Ash Regan, the former community safety minister, and Joanna Cherry, the former party justice spokeswoman, who said members who were suspended or left over Sturgeon’s transgender policies must be given a vote.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-row-snp-defectors-barred-from-voting-for-new-leader-p0frktqnk

    So, they quit because they disagreed with one of the party's policies. The SNP say they are welcome to reapply for membership (as long as they have not been badmouthing the party). But they will not be able to vote in the leadership election.

    Don't Westminster parties have rules about a time gap between getting membership and voting in leadership elections, to stop people joining just to vote for leader?

    Seems utterly sensible from the SNP to me. These ex-members threw their toys out of the pram; if they wanted to vote on this sort of thing, they should have stayed in.
    If they've quit, it's fair enough they don't have a vote, but what if they're suspended? What rules apply then?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,733
    edited February 2023

    Remarkable how many fans Cherry has among non voting right wingers, reminiscent of the glory days of PB Tories when they’d regularly list their favourite lefties (invariably a beauty parade of the more ghastly Blairites). Shame they don’t have an iota of influence, I’m sure they have the best interests of the SNP at heart.

    I thought you did have a vote?

    Edit - also, interesting to note you're going round abusing the messenger and ignoring the pertinent issues she raises.
  • Remarkable how many fans Cherry has among non voting right wingers, reminiscent of the glory days of PB Tories when they’d regularly list their favourite lefties (invariably a beauty parade of the more ghastly Blairites). Shame they don’t have an iota of influence, I’m sure they have the best interests of the SNP at heart.

    She's a lawyer, she'd be great.

    #PoliticsNeedsMoreLawyersInCharge
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