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Views of Brexit – the age and gender splits – politicalbetting.com

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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    It's what happens when decisions are based on populism. Views are easily expressed but have no depth.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    First! (From the Heathrow Express)
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    FPT
    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,092
    @rcs1000

    Why not the Elizabeth line? Far more convenient and cheaper too. (From a delayed LAX flight)

    FPT
    algarkirk said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Harry Maguire vs. Kylian Mbappé tonight is going to produce some of the greatest comedy since the earlier seasons of Frasier.

    Bet accordingly.

    Harry, England, and St George
    St George. Another foreigner taking a Brit’s job.

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Edmund-original-Patron-Saint-of-England/
    How many English saints are there?
    Quite a number. The patron saint before St George was St Edmund.

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Edmund-original-Patron-Saint-of-England/

    Then you have St Thomas a Becket, before the Reformation martyrs beginning with St Thomas More, and then most recently John Henry Newman. Going back to Edmund would be the least controversial.
    Yes, but Edmund was a king who lost a battle and refused to renounce Christ.

    11/10 for holiness (which is the point of saints, after all) but 0/10 for killing dragons or looking hard.
    Should be Bede anyway. Very English, and influential.
    IIRC he’s a Doctor of the Church, not a
    saint.
    You can be both. Like St Thomas Aquinas. Don't know if Bede made the cut. (He was
    of course Northumbrian.)

    Isn’t he the Venerable Bede?

    That’s only stage 1… stage 2 (beatification) is Blessed and stage 3 (canonisation) is Saint


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    TresTres Posts: 2,240
    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,017
    PB probably reflects those results, being mainly comprised of old, male brexiteers.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,539
    Sudden thought about Facebook. They are fucked. They’ve bet the farm on the Metaverse but it turns out the next big thing is AI. Ouch
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,337
    edited December 2022
    It's often said that women are more attuned to the bread & butter practicalities of life whereas men are prone to pompous theorizing and hare-brained flights of fancy.

    Women are also significantly more likely to think Brexit was a mistake, it would seem.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,674
    I'm off now @Leon if you want to say goodbye to me now (need to read last thread to know what that is about).
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    DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited December 2022
    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    Lol, fcking Food Pantries! Hyacinth Bouquet was a Tory for sure.


    Nice how you're completely ignoring the good thing she's done.
    Only a Tory could think opening more foodbanks is doing good, unbelievable. When do the workhouses open.
    As soon as strikes have been banned.
    Why bother with workhouses? The idea is being spread that strikers are causing service personnel to miss Christmas. Traitors! Workhouses are too good for them!

    Cue a big news story about a striker with a Socialist Workers Party banner, a baby left in a switched-off incubator, and a compulsory sensitivity training course - delivered up on Christmas morning, a few hours before the king's speech. Perhaps an AI could write the first draft.

    Don't forget that some detainees in Britain during lockdown were made to pay for their own detention.

    Tough times are a-coming.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    GPs only do same day emergencies?
    How the hell does that work?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,337
    Leon said:

    Sudden thought about Facebook. They are fucked. They’ve bet the farm on the Metaverse but it turns out the next big thing is AI. Ouch

    Synergy there surely.
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    Ooh! A subsamples thread! My very favourite.

    Is Mike going to ban himself?
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,062
    Putinguy has a point.
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    The male/female gap is not a surprise given women are more risk averse than men (or men are more prone to risky behaviour, as you like).
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,017

    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    GPs only do same day emergencies?
    How the hell does that work?
    Recorded message: “This is your GP surgery. If you are dying, press 1. If you are dead, press 2. If not, phone back later when you are either dead or dying. Goodbye.”
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    edited December 2022

    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    GPs only do same day emergencies?
    How the hell does that work?
    Recorded message: “This is your GP surgery. If you are dying, press 1. If you are dead, press 2. If not, phone back later when you are either dead or dying. Goodbye.”
    Was pretty much my experience before I left.
    Increasingly I just went private.
    “Fine” for me, but terrible for the country.
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    Brexit Right or Wrong - the geographical splits [Net Right, from the same poll]:

    London -39
    Scotland-38
    Midlands and Wales -15
    Rest of South -13
    North -10
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Leon said:

    Sudden thought about Facebook. They are fucked. They’ve bet the farm on the Metaverse but it turns out the next big thing is AI. Ouch

    Pretty early days. But so far it's not clear what about it is a unique compelling offer.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited December 2022
    Introducing Dramatron, a new tool for writers to co-write theatre and film scripts with a language model. 🎭

    Dramatron can interactively co-create new stories complete with title, characters, location descriptions and dialogue.

    Try it yourself now: https://deepmind.github.io/dramatron/


    https://twitter.com/DeepMind/status/1601237890708537344

    Disney will be able to pump out 10x the number of crap Star Wars series now.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,822
    A large section of the US right is becoming barely distinguishable from the Iranian mullahs in terms of their political philosophy.

    Critics Call It Theocratic and Authoritarian. Young Conservatives Call It an Exciting New Legal Theory.
    ‘Common good constitutionalism’ has emerged as a leading contender to replace originalism as the dominant legal theory on the right.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/09/revolutionary-conservative-legal-philosophy-courts-00069201
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    M45M45 Posts: 216
    edited December 2022
    Leon said:

    Sudden thought about Facebook. They are fucked. They’ve bet the farm on the Metaverse but it turns out the next big thing is AI. Ouch

    Metaverse = 3D cinema (due to come of age for about the 6th time with Avatar, apparently). Or = "videophones": in scifi from about 1940s, in real life since about 2000 but nobody cared, went mainstream with zoom over covid and turned out to have been a lame and terrible idea all along.

    Then again people inexplicably like computer games which will benefit massively from metaness.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,618

    @rcs1000

    Why not the Elizabeth line? Far more convenient and cheaper too. (From a delayed LAX flight)

    FPT

    algarkirk said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Harry Maguire vs. Kylian Mbappé tonight is going to produce some of the greatest comedy since the earlier seasons of Frasier.

    Bet accordingly.

    Harry, England, and St George
    St George. Another foreigner taking a Brit’s job.

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Edmund-original-Patron-Saint-of-England/
    How many English saints are there?
    Quite a number. The patron saint before St George was St Edmund.

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Edmund-original-Patron-Saint-of-England/

    Then you have St Thomas a Becket, before the Reformation martyrs beginning with St Thomas More, and then most recently John Henry Newman. Going back to Edmund would be the least controversial.
    Yes, but Edmund was a king who lost a battle and refused to renounce Christ.

    11/10 for holiness (which is the point of saints, after all) but 0/10 for killing dragons or looking hard.
    Should be Bede anyway. Very English, and influential.
    IIRC he’s a Doctor of the Church, not a
    saint.
    You can be both. Like St Thomas Aquinas. Don't know if Bede made the cut. (He was
    of course Northumbrian.)

    Isn’t he the Venerable Bede?

    That’s only stage 1… stage 2 (beatification) is Blessed and stage 3 (canonisation) is Saint


    That's the modern process. Canonisation was much less formal. Bede is recognised as a saint in CoE, Western church and Eastern church.

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    Today’s independence poll:

    Yes wins these demographics:

    Men
    Women

    All age groups up to 44

    C1
    DE

    Central
    Glasgow
    Lothian
    Mid & Fife
    North East

    Remainers

    No wins these demographics:

    All age groups 45+

    AB
    C2

    Highlands & Islands
    South
    West

    Leavers
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,018

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
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    kinabalu said:

    It's often said that women are more attuned to the bread & butter practicalities of life whereas men are prone to pompous theorizing and hare-brained flights of fancy.

    Women are also significantly more likely to think Brexit was a mistake, it would seem.

    Your first bit also explains why women used to be reliably Conservative, of course, and be very suspicious of socialist activists in the Unions (who were also rather often misogynistic).
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,337

    Today’s independence poll:

    Yes wins these demographics:

    Men
    Women

    All age groups up to 44

    C1
    DE

    Central
    Glasgow
    Lothian
    Mid & Fife
    North East

    Remainers

    No wins these demographics:

    All age groups 45+

    AB
    C2

    Highlands & Islands
    South
    West

    Leavers

    I wonder if Leavers have a different socioeconomic profile in Scotland compared to England.

    Reason I wonder is that per this "No" is ahead with (what are usually thought of as Remainy) ABs yet also with Leavers.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,793

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    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    What the Kerry intervention also shows (aside from demonstrating the truth that the coal mine decision was always going to amortise UK soft power more than it would ever boost GDP) is that we suffer in this online world from having the English language.

    American culture wars play out much more directly in the UK and the Americans show much more interest in what we’re doing because they can read all about it in English on social media and in globally popular online titles like the Guardian, BBC and mail online.

    If Germany opens another coal mine most of the coverage will a. be in German, b. seem more exotic and far away to Americans.
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    Today’s independence poll, how party voters split:

    SNP voters:
    Yes 87%
    No 5%
    Prefer not to say 3%
    Don’t know 5%

    Labour voters:
    No 58%
    Yes 27%
    Prefer not to say 4%
    Don’t know 12%

    Con voters:
    No 87%
    Yes 5%
    Prefer not to say 2%
    Don’t know 6%

    Lib Dem voters:
    No 68%
    Yes 16%
    Prefer not to say -
    Don’t know 16%
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,822
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Sudden thought about Facebook. They are fucked. They’ve bet the farm on the Metaverse but it turns out the next big thing is AI. Ouch

    Pretty early days. But so far it's not clear what about it is a unique compelling offer.
    They are notably contemptuous of their users.
    Whether that's unique is doubtful, but they are certainly outstanding in that respect.
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    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    We suspect our daughter has scarlet fever.

    After 20 minutes in the queue for 111 we've been told that an out of hours doctor "may" call us in the next 24 hours. If it gets 'worse' we should go to A&E and prepare for a long wait.

    We are now investigating private GP options.
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    DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited December 2022
    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    There's nothing that NHS GPs get off on more than the idea that hundreds of "worried" proles are about to assemble carrying torches and thinking they've got a right to something, and who are principally either gullible, leprous, or something or other anyway but most of all a f***ing great nuisance and with a predisposition to be precisely that unless they're fobbed off or given exactly the right magical buzzwords.

    Igas deaths seem to have gone up to 15 now. That was a quick jump from nine. As with SARSCoV2, the figures are for "with".

    Scarlet fever notifications:

    image
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,062
    Nigelb said:

    A large section of the US right is becoming barely distinguishable from the Iranian mullahs in terms of their political philosophy.

    Critics Call It Theocratic and Authoritarian. Young Conservatives Call It an Exciting New Legal Theory.
    ‘Common good constitutionalism’ has emerged as a leading contender to replace originalism as the dominant legal theory on the right.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/09/revolutionary-conservative-legal-philosophy-courts-00069201

    To be fair much of the grassroots left is not exactly sane either. Only a fundamental reckoning that the use of critical faculties on both sides is disintegrating will do.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880

    Introducing Dramatron, a new tool for writers to co-write theatre and film scripts with a language model. 🎭

    Dramatron can interactively co-create new stories complete with title, characters, location descriptions and dialogue.

    Try it yourself now: https://deepmind.github.io/dramatron/


    https://twitter.com/DeepMind/status/1601237890708537344

    Disney will be able to pump out 10x the number of crap Star Wars series now.

    I tried it with an idea I’m toying with.
    Seems too sophisticated for Deep Mind, it “failed to generate scenes”.
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    kinabalu said:

    Today’s independence poll:

    Yes wins these demographics:

    Men
    Women

    All age groups up to 44

    C1
    DE

    Central
    Glasgow
    Lothian
    Mid & Fife
    North East

    Remainers

    No wins these demographics:

    All age groups 45+

    AB
    C2

    Highlands & Islands
    South
    West

    Leavers

    I wonder if Leavers have a different socioeconomic profile in Scotland compared to England.

    Reason I wonder is that per this "No" is ahead with (what are usually thought of as Remainy) ABs yet also with Leavers.
    None of the parties in Scotland campaigned for Leave, so people who did vote leave are a disparate bunch. I’m sure someone somewhere has done an analysis. But they were always a minority, and have shrunk further.

    I suspect there has been “churn” and that Cameron-loyal Remain voting Tories now tell pollsters that they are Sunak-loyal Leavers. Hence the correlation with No VI. Whether they really are now Leavers is dubious: they are simply being loyal to the Establishment. Leave/Remain is not really a “thing” in Scotland. It is Yes/No which is the salient faultline.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880

    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    We suspect our daughter has scarlet fever.

    After 20 minutes in the queue for 111 we've been told that an out of hours doctor "may" call us in the next 24 hours. If it gets 'worse' we should go to A&E and prepare for a long wait.

    We are now investigating private GP options.
    This is outrageous.
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,960
    Leon said:

    Sudden thought about Facebook. They are fucked. They’ve bet the farm on the Metaverse but it turns out the next big thing is AI. Ouch

    Facebook are all over the AI/ML space already https://ai.facebook.com/
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    DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792

    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    We suspect our daughter has scarlet fever.

    After 20 minutes in the queue for 111 we've been told that an out of hours doctor "may" call us in the next 24 hours. If it gets 'worse' we should go to A&E and prepare for a long wait.

    We are now investigating private GP options.
    That's very sensible. The NHS is in many ways already in the past. It's a standing disgrace now.
    I hope your daughter recovers soon.
    SF will almost certainly show from tongue and rash.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167

    kinabalu said:

    Today’s independence poll:

    Yes wins these demographics:

    Men
    Women

    All age groups up to 44

    C1
    DE

    Central
    Glasgow
    Lothian
    Mid & Fife
    North East

    Remainers

    No wins these demographics:

    All age groups 45+

    AB
    C2

    Highlands & Islands
    South
    West

    Leavers

    I wonder if Leavers have a different socioeconomic profile in Scotland compared to England.

    Reason I wonder is that per this "No" is ahead with (what are usually thought of as Remainy) ABs yet also with Leavers.
    None of the parties in Scotland campaigned for Leave, so people who did vote leave are a disparate bunch. I’m sure someone somewhere has done an analysis. But they were always a minority, and have shrunk further.

    I suspect there has been “churn” and that Cameron-loyal Remain voting Tories now tell pollsters that they are Sunak-loyal Leavers. Hence the correlation with No VI. Whether they really are now Leavers is dubious: they are simply being loyal to the Establishment. Leave/Remain is not really a “thing” in Scotland. It is Yes/No which is the salient faultline.
    38% of Scots voted to Leave the EU, only 7% less than the 45% who voted to leave the UK in 2014.

    Indeed some like Jim Sillars voted Leave and Yes
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    edited December 2022
    kinabalu said:

    Today’s independence poll:

    Yes wins these demographics:

    Men
    Women

    All age groups up to 44

    C1
    DE

    Central
    Glasgow
    Lothian
    Mid & Fife
    North East

    Remainers

    No wins these demographics:

    All age groups 45+

    AB
    C2

    Highlands & Islands
    South
    West

    Leavers

    I wonder if Leavers have a different socioeconomic profile in Scotland compared to England.

    Reason I wonder is that per this "No" is ahead with (what are usually thought of as Remainy) ABs yet also with Leavers.
    It was most working class Scots who voted Yes in 2014 and the working class who mostly voted to leave the EU in England and Wales in 2016. Middle class Scots mostly voted No and the upper middle class in England and Wales mostly voted Remain.

    The difference is more an age thing, Leavers tend to be older Yes voters younger
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    TimS said:

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    What the Kerry intervention also shows (aside from demonstrating the truth that the coal mine decision was always going to amortise UK soft power more than it would ever boost GDP) is that we suffer in this online world from having the English language.

    American culture wars play out much more directly in the UK and the Americans show much more interest in what we’re doing because they can read all about it in English on social media and in globally popular online titles like the Guardian, BBC and mail online.

    If Germany opens another coal mine most of the coverage will a. be in German, b. seem more exotic and far away to Americans.
    If the decision leads to a gentle but emphatic reassertion of Britain's right to decide its own domestic energy policy, it will have done a great deal for Britain's soft power, as well as our current and future GDP prospects.
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    M45M45 Posts: 216
    DJ41 said:

    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    There's nothing that NHS GPs get off on more than the idea that hundreds of "worried" proles are about to assemble carrying torches and thinking they've got a right to something, and who are principally either gullible, leprous, or something or other anyway but most of all a f***ing great nuisance and with a predisposition to be precisely that unless they're fobbed off or given exactly the right magical buzzwords.

    Igas deaths seem to have gone up to 15 now. That was a quick jump from nine. As with SARSCoV2, the figures are for "with".

    Scarlet fever notifications:

    image
    I think that's a normal working day for them, not a health scare. Last-generation antibiotics, and the less effective SSRIs, are their jujus.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    edited December 2022
    Ask about rejoin the EU or single market though and you would get a different answer, only 34% want to go that far even if most want a closer relationship

    https://institute.global/policy/moving-how-british-public-views-brexit-and-what-it-wants-future-relationship-european-union
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,369
    We left. Get over it.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,895
    Afternoon all :)

    All the horse racing is cancelled because of the weather. As we know so-called all-weather tracks are particularly vulnerable to snow, frost, high winds, waterlogging, ice, fog, excessive heat and plagues of locusts.

    That's allowed me a few minutes to catch up on some comedy - the Omnisis voting tables (the headline numbers are Lab 48, Con 30 so a swing of 15% but cited by some as sign of an improvement in Conservative fortunes).

    Let's see the building blocks of this "improvement" - among men Labour lead by 19 but among women only by 16 (whatever happened to "Worcester Woman"?). Among the 65-74 age group, the Conservatives lead 54-29 but among those aged over 75 by just 59-38 (the duopoly is alive and well).

    In Wales, Labour leads 67-17 with the LDs on * which is pretty low. In London Labour leads 51-28.

    In Scotland and @StuartDickson better be holding on to something secure, Labour has 34%, the Conservatives 29% and the SNP 21%.

    You can see why some of these polls need a bucket or two of salt.
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    Introducing Dramatron, a new tool for writers to co-write theatre and film scripts with a language model. 🎭

    Dramatron can interactively co-create new stories complete with title, characters, location descriptions and dialogue.

    Try it yourself now: https://deepmind.github.io/dramatron/


    https://twitter.com/DeepMind/status/1601237890708537344

    Disney will be able to pump out 10x the number of crap Star Wars series now.

    I tried it with an idea I’m toying with.
    Seems too sophisticated for Deep Mind, it “failed to generate scenes”.
    Disney shows won't have such issues....
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    edited December 2022
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Today’s independence poll:

    Yes wins these demographics:

    Men
    Women

    All age groups up to 44

    C1
    DE

    Central
    Glasgow
    Lothian
    Mid & Fife
    North East

    Remainers

    No wins these demographics:

    All age groups 45+

    AB
    C2

    Highlands & Islands
    South
    West

    Leavers

    I wonder if Leavers have a different socioeconomic profile in Scotland compared to England.

    Reason I wonder is that per this "No" is ahead with (what are usually thought of as Remainy) ABs yet also with Leavers.
    It was most working class Scots who voted Yes in 2014 and to leave the EU in England and Wales in 2016. Middle class Scots mostly voted No and the upper middle class in England and Wales mostly voted Remain.

    The difference is more an age thing, Leavers tend to be older Yes voters younger
    Regionally, the Highland region nearly voted to leave, combination of hardcore nats feeling it made indy more likely, fisherman, Tories, etc.

    I always felt that if Cummings was such a genius with his social media targeting, he would have realised that this region was for the taking, and if he'd have managed to push it over the line, it would have made Brexit's course in Scotland a lot smoother. I maintain that the Vote Leave campaign was rubbish and was a net drain on Leave votes.
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    Foden and Saka to start in unchanged line-up

    Shaw was interviewed the other day and apparently the players are really pissed off that the team leaks every time and has been doing so for years now.
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    Today’s independence poll, how party voters split:

    SNP voters:
    Yes 87%
    No 5%
    Prefer not to say 3%
    Don’t know 5%

    Labour voters:
    No 58%
    Yes 27%
    Prefer not to say 4%
    Don’t know 12%

    Con voters:
    No 87%
    Yes 5%
    Prefer not to say 2%
    Don’t know 6%

    Lib Dem voters:
    No 68%
    Yes 16%
    Prefer not to say -
    Don’t know 16%

    The c. third of Labour voters voting Yes seems pretty consistent.
    Looking forward to SKS & co pursuing the Brexit means Brexit/no indy ref II lines in the lead up to the next GE, I'm sure our doughty media will ask them about it lots.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,018

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=hugh+grant+love+actually+america+speech&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&biw=1300&bih=844&tbm=vid&sxsrf=ALiCzsYotXQz6IDLvWPB3n2OSZk8XZg64A:1670682169715&ei=OZaUY66nK8bygQa-w6_4Cg&oq=hugh+grant+love+actually+ame&gs_lcp=Cg1nd3Mtd2l6LXZpZGVvEAEYADIGCAAQFhAeMgUIABCGAzIFCAAQhgM6BAgjECc6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgUIABCABFDGC1jjGmDtJGgAcAB4AIABggGIAd4DkgEDMy4ymAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz-video#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:3deed7ee,vid:WITlM2pY_a4
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,452
    Stocky said:

    It's what happens when decisions are based on populism. Views are easily expressed but have no depth.

    Decisions based on populism can have a number of negative consequences. One problem with populism is that it often involves appealing to the emotions and prejudices of the public, rather than relying on facts and evidence to make decisions. This can result in policies and decisions that are not well thought out and may not be in the best interests of the public. Additionally, populist leaders may be more interested in gaining and maintaining power than in governing effectively, which can lead to corruption and abuses of power. Finally, populism often involves pitting one group of people against another, which can create divisions and conflicts within a society.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    edited December 2022

    We left. Get over it.

    1975: We stayed in. Get over it?

    I don't think there will be serious moves to rejoin until perhaps the second term of a Labour government, but there's nothing wrong with people harping on about the subject - when it goes against the public, or at least the most unified part of it, politicians who do that will be punished for it.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    IanB2 said:

    Stocky said:

    It's what happens when decisions are based on populism. Views are easily expressed but have no depth.

    Decisions based on populism can have a number of negative consequences. One problem with populism is that it often involves appealing to the emotions and prejudices of the public, rather than relying on facts and evidence to make decisions. This can result in policies and decisions that are not well thought out and may not be in the best interests of the public. Additionally, populist leaders may be more interested in gaining and maintaining power than in governing effectively, which can lead to corruption and abuses of power. Finally, populism often involves pitting one group of people against another, which can create divisions and conflicts within a society.
    Text book description of late Toryism, 2016 to date.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Combing all the EU into one is not always reasonable, but if this is accurate I am still surprised everyone else added together goes past the USA.

    The pervasive DC narrative of the war around European free-loading is out of date. Europe is now paying more for the war than the United States. And these figures exclude the steep "energy tax" that Putin has imposed on the continent: which the Americans are not paying.


    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1601207409808379905?cxt=HHwWgsDQlfvp0LgsAAAA

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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,916

    Today’s independence poll, how party voters split:

    SNP voters:
    Yes 87%
    No 5%
    Prefer not to say 3%
    Don’t know 5%

    Labour voters:
    No 58%
    Yes 27%
    Prefer not to say 4%
    Don’t know 12%

    Con voters:
    No 87%
    Yes 5%
    Prefer not to say 2%
    Don’t know 6%

    Lib Dem voters:
    No 68%
    Yes 16%
    Prefer not to say -
    Don’t know 16%

    The c. third of Labour voters voting Yes seems pretty consistent.
    Looking forward to SKS & co pursuing the Brexit means Brexit/no indy ref II lines in the lead up to the next GE, I'm sure our doughty media will ask them about it lots.
    Yep, it's my rule of thumb too. At least until they catch on to SKS and co.
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    M45M45 Posts: 216
    IanB2 said:

    Stocky said:

    It's what happens when decisions are based on populism. Views are easily expressed but have no depth.

    Decisions based on populism can have a number of negative consequences. One problem with populism is that it often involves appealing to the emotions and prejudices of the public, rather than relying on facts and evidence to make decisions. This can result in policies and decisions that are not well thought out and may not be in the best interests of the public. Additionally, populist leaders may be more interested in gaining and maintaining power than in governing effectively, which can lead to corruption and abuses of power. Finally, populism often involves pitting one group of people against another, which can create divisions and conflicts within a society.
    If I can ask without causing offence, is that ChatGPT or you?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,452
    Leon said:

    Sudden thought about Facebook. They are fucked. They’ve bet the farm on the Metaverse but it turns out the next big thing is AI. Ouch

    The prospects for artificial intelligence (AI) and the metaverse are both highly promising and interesting. AI is a rapidly growing field that is transforming many different industries and has the potential to revolutionize the way we live and work. The metaverse, on the other hand, is a concept that refers to a virtual world that is immersive, interactive, and persistent. It is often seen as the next generation of the internet, where people can interact with each other and with virtual objects and environments in real time.
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    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    We suspect our daughter has scarlet fever.

    After 20 minutes in the queue for 111 we've been told that an out of hours doctor "may" call us in the next 24 hours. If it gets 'worse' we should go to A&E and prepare for a long wait.

    We are now investigating private GP options.
    Poor kid. Hope she's got something less serious, and whatever it is, gets over it soon.

    Can empathize with your struggle to deal with the deficiencies (what ever the cause & responsibility) of your health care system, because I can relate, despite sometimes struggling myself with the very different US system (if you can call it that).

    Best of health, luck, happiness and (maybe even a little) wealth to you & yours.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563

    IanB2 said:

    Stocky said:

    It's what happens when decisions are based on populism. Views are easily expressed but have no depth.

    Decisions based on populism can have a number of negative consequences. One problem with populism is that it often involves appealing to the emotions and prejudices of the public, rather than relying on facts and evidence to make decisions. This can result in policies and decisions that are not well thought out and may not be in the best interests of the public. Additionally, populist leaders may be more interested in gaining and maintaining power than in governing effectively, which can lead to corruption and abuses of power. Finally, populism often involves pitting one group of people against another, which can create divisions and conflicts within a society.
    Text book description of late Toryism, 2016 to date.
    'Populist' movements by definition spring up where Governments make decisions against the views or even the interests of the general populace.

    'Popular' Government - by the people, for the people, works extremely well; it's what they have in Switzerland, which has done a lot better economically and socially than its EU neighbours.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,452
    HYUFD said:

    Ask about rejoin the EU or single market though and you would get a different answer, only 34% want to go that far even if most want a closer relationship

    https://institute.global/policy/moving-how-british-public-views-brexit-and-what-it-wants-future-relationship-european-union

    There are many potential advantages to the UK rejoining the EU. Some of these advantages may include:
    • Improved access to the EU's single market, which would make it easier for UK businesses to trade with and sell to customers in the EU.
    • Increased political and economic stability, as the UK would be part of a larger and more powerful political and economic bloc.
    • Greater influence in shaping EU policies and decisions that affect the UK.
    • Access to EU funding for projects and initiatives in the UK.
    • The ability to participate in EU programs and initiatives, such as the Erasmus exchange program for students.
    • These are just a few examples of the potential advantages of the UK rejoining the EU. It's important to note that the exact benefits would depend on the terms of any agreement reached between the UK and the EU.
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    M45M45 Posts: 216
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ask about rejoin the EU or single market though and you would get a different answer, only 34% want to go that far even if most want a closer relationship

    https://institute.global/policy/moving-how-british-public-views-brexit-and-what-it-wants-future-relationship-european-union

    There are many potential advantages to the UK rejoining the EU. Some of these advantages may include:
    • Improved access to the EU's single market, which would make it easier for UK businesses to trade with and sell to customers in the EU.
    • Increased political and economic stability, as the UK would be part of a larger and more powerful political and economic bloc.
    • Greater influence in shaping EU policies and decisions that affect the UK.
    • Access to EU funding for projects and initiatives in the UK.
    • The ability to participate in EU programs and initiatives, such as the Erasmus exchange program for students.
    • These are just a few examples of the potential advantages of the UK rejoining the EU. It's important to note that the exact benefits would depend on the terms of any agreement reached between the UK and the EU.
    I was right, wasn't I? ChatGPT output.
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    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Today’s independence poll:

    Yes wins these demographics:

    Men
    Women

    All age groups up to 44

    C1
    DE

    Central
    Glasgow
    Lothian
    Mid & Fife
    North East

    Remainers

    No wins these demographics:

    All age groups 45+

    AB
    C2

    Highlands & Islands
    South
    West

    Leavers

    I wonder if Leavers have a different socioeconomic profile in Scotland compared to England.

    Reason I wonder is that per this "No" is ahead with (what are usually thought of as Remainy) ABs yet also with Leavers.
    It was most working class Scots who voted Yes in 2014 and to leave the EU in England and Wales in 2016. Middle class Scots mostly voted No and the upper middle class in England and Wales mostly voted Remain.

    The difference is more an age thing, Leavers tend to be older Yes voters younger
    Regionally, the Highland region nearly voted to leave, combination of hardcore nats feeling it made indy more likely, fisherman, Tories, etc.

    I always felt that if Cummings was such a genius with his social media targeting, he would have realised that this region was for the taking, and if he'd have managed to push it over the line, it would have made Brexit's course in Scotland a lot smoother. I maintain that the Vote Leave campaign was rubbish and was a net drain on Leave votes.
    The Remain campaign was relentlessly negative, and while pointing out flaws is fine, they rarely tried to sell the EU as a positive force. Some on here instead portrayed the EU as a relentless, vengeful force we had better stay in or else. I recall Ruth Davison trying to be positive about the UK's influence in the EU, to laughter, as a rare example. The whole thing felt forced and reluctant, and ineffective. Endless moaning about being defeated by a bus has not helped make the case the Remain campaign was decent.

    The Leave campaign was by contrast reckless bombast, with definite elements stirring up anti-immigration fervour and misleading claims about imminence of Turkish accession and a far too cavalier attitude to any concerns about the difficult choices that would emerge in the event of a win. The insistence of smaller and smaller groups that only their Brexit is the real Brexit since the vote has shown the silliness of that approach.

    So I generally agree the campaigns were not great for either side. I'm not sure if Vote Leave was the bigger net drain, but I always felt that Leave would win because much of the public was at best lukewarm on the EU (they have become much more positive since), not because Vote Leave were effective.
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    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    We suspect our daughter has scarlet fever.

    After 20 minutes in the queue for 111 we've been told that an out of hours doctor "may" call us in the next 24 hours. If it gets 'worse' we should go to A&E and prepare for a long wait.

    We are now investigating private GP options.
    This is outrageous.
    Combination of outrageous but also "well, what did you think was going to happen, given that you have been running the health system on hot for years now?"
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,452

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    Some people may consider it to be the worst film ever made, while others may consider it to be a well-made and enjoyable film. In general, the quality of a film is determined by a variety of factors, including the acting, story, direction, and overall production value. Whether or not a particular film is considered to be the worst ever made is largely a matter of personal opinion.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    Thomas Nashe's link doesn't work for me, but I am familiar with what the film is, just never been tempted to watch it. Not seen Notting Hill either. Quite liked Four Weddings but it has been a while since I've seen it.
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    kle4 said:

    Combing all the EU into one is not always reasonable, but if this is accurate I am still surprised everyone else added together goes past the USA.

    The pervasive DC narrative of the war around European free-loading is out of date. Europe is now paying more for the war than the United States. And these figures exclude the steep "energy tax" that Putin has imposed on the continent: which the Americans are not paying.


    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1601207409808379905?cxt=HHwWgsDQlfvp0LgsAAAA

    I wonder if it includes support for Ukrainian refugees which would be pretty massive in the EU and I guess minimal in the US?
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,369
    edited December 2022
    kle4 said:

    We left. Get over it.

    1975: We stayed in. Get over it?

    I don't think there will be serious moves to rejoin until perhaps the second term of a Labour government, but there's nothing wrong with people harping on about the subject - when it goes against the public, or at least the most unified part of it, politicians who do that will be punished for it.
    It's over... the one eyed white working man majority will never allow the EU force us to use the dratted
    E(ugh)uro. It would be a sell out. It will never happen despite what the metrosexual elite might want.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    There seems to be an tradition of hating on the movie, a quick google shows multiple recent stories about stars of the movie thinking its shit or psychotic, the Director saying it is not diverse enough, and laments about several of the main characters being creeps.

    I saw it a few years ago, wasn't a fan, but a lot of romantic movies have characters act in ways that are super creepy if they were real life. Plus I like cheesy Hallmark Christmas movies, so I cannot judge people who do like the movie.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,452
    M45 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Stocky said:

    It's what happens when decisions are based on populism. Views are easily expressed but have no depth.

    Decisions based on populism can have a number of negative consequences. One problem with populism is that it often involves appealing to the emotions and prejudices of the public, rather than relying on facts and evidence to make decisions. This can result in policies and decisions that are not well thought out and may not be in the best interests of the public. Additionally, populist leaders may be more interested in gaining and maintaining power than in governing effectively, which can lead to corruption and abuses of power. Finally, populism often involves pitting one group of people against another, which can create divisions and conflicts within a society.
    If I can ask without causing offence, is that ChatGPT or you?
    Asking someone whether their comment is their own or was generated by ChatGPT is unlikely to cause offense. However, it's always a good idea to be respectful and considerate when interacting with others. If you're unsure whether a particular comment is from the person you're interacting with or from ChatGPT, it's best to ask politely and in a non-confrontational way. For example, you could say something like "I'm sorry, but I'm not sure if that comment was from you or from ChatGPT. Could you clarify?" This allows the person to explain whether the comment is their own or was generated by ChatGPT without feeling accused or put on the spot.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,018

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    Thomas Nashe's link doesn't work for me, but I am familiar with what the film is, just never been tempted to watch it. Not seen Notting Hill either. Quite liked Four Weddings but it has been a while since I've seen it.
    Sorry about that. This should give you the gist: https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/5042500/hugh-grants-love-actually-prime-ministers-speech-who-plays-us-president/
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,337

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    It's so bad.
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    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    Thomas Nashe's link doesn't work for me, but I am familiar with what the film is, just never been tempted to watch it. Not seen Notting Hill either. Quite liked Four Weddings but it has been a while since I've seen it.
    Notting Hill is a great film, it somehow rises above the usual cringey Richard Curtis material. Probably because of Hugh Grant and Julia Roberts.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,337
    IanB2 said:

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    Some people may consider it to be the worst film ever made, while others may consider it to be a well-made and enjoyable film. In general, the quality of a film is determined by a variety of factors, including the acting, story, direction, and overall production value. Whether or not a particular film is considered to be the worst ever made is largely a matter of personal opinion.
    Stop it, Ian.
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    kle4 said:

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    There seems to be an tradition of hating on the movie, a quick google shows multiple recent stories about stars of the movie thinking its shit or psychotic, the Director saying it is not diverse enough, and laments about several of the main characters being creeps.

    I saw it a few years ago, wasn't a fan, but a lot of romantic movies have characters act in ways that are super creepy if they were real life. Plus I like cheesy Hallmark Christmas movies, so I cannot judge people who do like the movie.
    Yes I like some right old shit but Love Actually really is the absolute pits.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,337
    GPTiBot = glazed eyes and a need to be elsewhere.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    edited December 2022

    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    We suspect our daughter has scarlet fever.

    After 20 minutes in the queue for 111 we've been told that an out of hours doctor "may" call us in the next 24 hours. If it gets 'worse' we should go to A&E and prepare for a long wait.

    We are now investigating private GP options.
    This is outrageous.
    Combination of outrageous but also "well, what did you think was going to happen, given that you have been running the health system on hot for years now?"
    A Labour voter is a Tory who got mugged by reality.
    See also Remain (or Rejoin) and Brexit.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Today’s independence poll:

    Yes wins these demographics:

    Men
    Women

    All age groups up to 44

    C1
    DE

    Central
    Glasgow
    Lothian
    Mid & Fife
    North East

    Remainers

    No wins these demographics:

    All age groups 45+

    AB
    C2

    Highlands & Islands
    South
    West

    Leavers

    I wonder if Leavers have a different socioeconomic profile in Scotland compared to England.

    Reason I wonder is that per this "No" is ahead with (what are usually thought of as Remainy) ABs yet also with Leavers.
    It was most working class Scots who voted Yes in 2014 and to leave the EU in England and Wales in 2016. Middle class Scots mostly voted No and the upper middle class in England and Wales mostly voted Remain.

    The difference is more an age thing, Leavers tend to be older Yes voters younger
    Regionally, the Highland region nearly voted to leave, combination of hardcore nats feeling it made indy more likely, fisherman, Tories, etc.

    I always felt that if Cummings was such a genius with his social media targeting, he would have realised that this region was for the taking, and if he'd have managed to push it over the line, it would have made Brexit's course in Scotland a lot smoother. I maintain that the Vote Leave campaign was rubbish and was a net drain on Leave votes.
    The Remain campaign was relentlessly negative, and while pointing out flaws is fine, they rarely tried to sell the EU as a positive force. Some on here instead portrayed the EU as a relentless, vengeful force we had better stay in or else. I recall Ruth Davison trying to be positive about the UK's influence in the EU, to laughter, as a rare example. The whole thing felt forced and reluctant, and ineffective. Endless moaning about being defeated by a bus has not helped make the case the Remain campaign was decent.

    The Leave campaign was by contrast reckless bombast, with definite elements stirring up anti-immigration fervour and misleading claims about imminence of Turkish accession and a far too cavalier attitude to any concerns about the difficult choices that would emerge in the event of a win. The insistence of smaller and smaller groups that only their Brexit is the real Brexit since the vote has shown the silliness of that approach.

    So I generally agree the campaigns were not great for either side. I'm not sure if Vote Leave was the bigger net drain, but I always felt that Leave would win because much of the public was at best lukewarm on the EU (they have become much more positive since), not because Vote Leave were effective.
    I thought Leave.eu deserved to be the lead campaign - their materials had much greater visual appeal and expressed more hope and confidence in the future. I thought 'Take back control' was a weak slogan that misread the times - in the 1980's that thrusting generation may have been swayed, but we today are scared of taking back control. I thought the NHS bus was quite good tactical move, in isolation. Otherwise, the campaign seemed confused and disparate, and too much based on individuals like Bojo and Gove and Leadsom doing their own riffs on Brexit and what it was. Logo was shite too.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,018

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    Thomas Nashe's link doesn't work for me, but I am familiar with what the film is, just never been tempted to watch it. Not seen Notting Hill either. Quite liked Four Weddings but it has been a while since I've seen it.
    And while I didn’t like Notting Hill, I think Love Actually is superb. You just have to approach it with the spirit of exuberance it demands.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880
    edited December 2022
    I don’t there’s much affection for the EU per se.
    Just frustration with how shit Brexit has (predictably) turned out to be.

    Generating affection for the EU is a project that still remains. It may not actually be possible, as the EU is not designed to be especially lovable.

    Mind you, neither are insurance policies.
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    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    GPs only do same day emergencies?
    How the hell does that work?
    Recorded message: “This is your GP surgery. If you are dying, press 1. If you are dead, press 2. If not, phone back later when you are either dead or dying. Goodbye.”
    I got a text from mine the other day saying the same thing. There are no appointments available at all unless you are serious enough to need to be seen the same day. So you have to go through the phone line lottery. What constitutes serious enough to be seen the same day, they didn’t deign to explain.

    They blamed staff shortages.

    My sister, a mental health nurse, tells me a lot European nurses have left, to be replaced by African nurses, where she works. Nothing wrong with them being African, per se, but their English is much poorer. It’s causing problems.

    So why are GPs short staffed? Lazy GPs? Brexit? Putin’s illegal war in Ukraine?

    Whatever. My knee jerk reaction is just to blame the bastard Tories. A nice warm glow of righteous indignation fills my being. Job done.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,880

    Tres said:

    Lots of parents seem to be concerned about this Strep thing and now my GPs just texted to say that they are no longer giving appointments for anything but same day emergencies.

    GPs only do same day emergencies?
    How the hell does that work?
    Recorded message: “This is your GP surgery. If you are dying, press 1. If you are dead, press 2. If not, phone back later when you are either dead or dying. Goodbye.”
    I got a text from mine the other day saying the same thing. There are no appointments available at all unless you are serious enough to need to be seen the same day. So you have to go through the phone line lottery. What constitutes serious enough to be seen the same day, they didn’t deign to explain.

    They blamed staff shortages.

    My sister, a mental health nurse, tells me a lot European nurses have left, to be replaced by African nurses, where she works. Nothing wrong with them being African, per se, but their English is much poorer. It’s causing problems.

    So why are GPs short staffed? Lazy GPs? Brexit? Putin’s illegal war in Ukraine?

    Whatever. My knee jerk reaction is just to blame the bastard Tories. A nice warm glow of righteous indignation fills my being. Job done.
    The collapse in health care doesn’t seem to be happening on the same scale in other countries.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,018
    kinabalu said:

    GPTiBot = glazed eyes and a need to be elsewhere.

    If they were A level answers they’d be scoring C or B (if the marker was feeling generous). Credit for focus and answering the question, but predictable and pedestrian.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,452
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    Some people may consider it to be the worst film ever made, while others may consider it to be a well-made and enjoyable film. In general, the quality of a film is determined by a variety of factors, including the acting, story, direction, and overall production value. Whether or not a particular film is considered to be the worst ever made is largely a matter of personal opinion.
    Stop it, Ian.
    The options for my responding are:
    • To Apologise and explain that I am not aware of any rules or guidelines against posting ChatGPT responses in the forum;
    • To offer to remove the ChatGPT responses if they are causing any confusion or disruption;
    • To explain that I was using ChatGPT as a way to generate ideas and stimulate discussion, and that I value the contributions of other members of the forum:
    • To ask you for your suggestions on how to use ChatGPT responsibly and effectively in the forum.
    Ultimately, the best response will depend on the specific situation and the concerns of the person who is complaining. I know that it is important to be respectful and open to your feedback, and to take any concerns or issues raised seriously.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    Some people may consider it to be the worst film ever made, while others may consider it to be a well-made and enjoyable film. In general, the quality of a film is determined by a variety of factors, including the acting, story, direction, and overall production value. Whether or not a particular film is considered to be the worst ever made is largely a matter of personal opinion.
    Stop it, Ian.
    The options for my responding are:
    • To Apologise and explain that I am not aware of any rules or guidelines against posting ChatGPT responses in the forum;
    • To offer to remove the ChatGPT responses if they are causing any confusion or disruption;
    • To explain that I was using ChatGPT as a way to generate ideas and stimulate discussion, and that I value the contributions of other members of the forum:
    • To ask you for your suggestions on how to use ChatGPT responsibly and effectively in the forum.
    Ultimately, the best response will depend on the specific situation and the concerns of the person who is complaining. I know that it is important to be respectful and open to your feedback, and to take any concerns or issues raised seriously.
    Beats rubbing yourself in poo I suppose.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    kle4 said:

    Combing all the EU into one is not always reasonable, but if this is accurate I am still surprised everyone else added together goes past the USA.

    The pervasive DC narrative of the war around European free-loading is out of date. Europe is now paying more for the war than the United States. And these figures exclude the steep "energy tax" that Putin has imposed on the continent: which the Americans are not paying.


    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1601207409808379905?cxt=HHwWgsDQlfvp0LgsAAAA

    I wonder if it includes support for Ukrainian refugees which would be pretty massive in the EU and I guess minimal in the US?
    Likely, because everyone else has given next to nothing compared to the US in military aid.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,452
    edited December 2022

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
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    Stop it, Ian.
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    Beats rubbing yourself in poo I suppose.
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    M45M45 Posts: 216
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
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    Stop it, Ian.
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    The giveaway is the css layout, way beyond real life PBers coding skills

    But it's a relief that I nailed you without that, first time. Yay for humanity.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
    Some people may consider it to be the worst film ever made, while others may consider it to be a well-made and enjoyable film. In general, the quality of a film is determined by a variety of factors, including the acting, story, direction, and overall production value. Whether or not a particular film is considered to be the worst ever made is largely a matter of personal opinion.
    Stop it, Ian.
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    Beats rubbing yourself in poo I suppose.
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    • Exposure to bacteria and other harmful microorganisms that can cause infections or illnesses.
    • Risk of injury or irritation to the skin, due to the abrasive nature of feces.
    • Risk of attracting unwanted attention or social stigma due to the unappealing nature of the behavior.
    • Potential for psychological harm, as engaging in such behavior may indicate underlying mental health issues or other personal problems.
    In general, it's best to avoid rubbing yourself in poo, as it can pose significant health and safety risks. If you are struggling with an urge to engage in this behavior, it's important to seek professional help and support to address the underlying issue.
    If you have abrasive poo then you have bigger problems than wanting to cover yourself in it.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,452

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    Today’s independence poll:

    Yes wins these demographics:

    Men
    Women

    All age groups up to 44

    C1
    DE

    Central
    Glasgow
    Lothian
    Mid & Fife
    North East

    Remainers

    No wins these demographics:

    All age groups 45+

    AB
    C2

    Highlands & Islands
    South
    West

    Leavers

    I wonder if Leavers have a different socioeconomic profile in Scotland compared to England.

    Reason I wonder is that per this "No" is ahead with (what are usually thought of as Remainy) ABs yet also with Leavers.
    It was most working class Scots who voted Yes in 2014 and to leave the EU in England and Wales in 2016. Middle class Scots mostly voted No and the upper middle class in England and Wales mostly voted Remain.

    The difference is more an age thing, Leavers tend to be older Yes voters younger
    Regionally, the Highland region nearly voted to leave, combination of hardcore nats feeling it made indy more likely, fisherman, Tories, etc.

    I always felt that if Cummings was such a genius with his social media targeting, he would have realised that this region was for the taking, and if he'd have managed to push it over the line, it would have made Brexit's course in Scotland a lot smoother. I maintain that the Vote Leave campaign was rubbish and was a net drain on Leave votes.
    The Remain campaign was relentlessly negative, and while pointing out flaws is fine, they rarely tried to sell the EU as a positive force. Some on here instead portrayed the EU as a relentless, vengeful force we had better stay in or else. I recall Ruth Davison trying to be positive about the UK's influence in the EU, to laughter, as a rare example. The whole thing felt forced and reluctant, and ineffective. Endless moaning about being defeated by a bus has not helped make the case the Remain campaign was decent.

    The Leave campaign was by contrast reckless bombast, with definite elements stirring up anti-immigration fervour and misleading claims about imminence of Turkish accession and a far too cavalier attitude to any concerns about the difficult choices that would emerge in the event of a win. The insistence of smaller and smaller groups that only their Brexit is the real Brexit since the vote has shown the silliness of that approach.

    So I generally agree the campaigns were not great for either side. I'm not sure if Vote Leave was the bigger net drain, but I always felt that Leave would win because much of the public was at best lukewarm on the EU (they have become much more positive since), not because Vote Leave were effective.
    I thought Leave.eu deserved to be the lead campaign - their materials had much greater visual appeal and expressed more hope and confidence in the future. I thought 'Take back control' was a weak slogan that misread the times - in the 1980's that thrusting generation may have been swayed, but we today are scared of taking back control. I thought the NHS bus was quite good tactical move, in isolation. Otherwise, the campaign seemed confused and disparate, and too much based on individuals like Bojo and Gove and Leadsom doing their own riffs on Brexit and what it was. Logo was shite too.
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    Each campaign had its own merits and strengths. The Vote Leave campaign was widely considered to be better organized and more professional, with a strong focus on political campaigning and voter outreach. It also had the backing of high-profile politicians, such as Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, and was able to raise significant amounts of money to support its efforts.

    In contrast, the Leave.eu campaign was seen as more populist and grassroots-oriented, with a strong emphasis on social media and digital campaigning. It was also more focused on immigration and other controversial issues, and was able to tap into a more emotionally charged and anti-establishment sentiment among some voters.

    Ultimately, both campaigns played a significant role in the successful Brexit vote, and the specific merits of each campaign will depend on individual opinions and perspectives.


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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    edited December 2022
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Combing all the EU into one is not always reasonable, but if this is accurate I am still surprised everyone else added together goes past the USA.

    The pervasive DC narrative of the war around European free-loading is out of date. Europe is now paying more for the war than the United States. And these figures exclude the steep "energy tax" that Putin has imposed on the continent: which the Americans are not paying.


    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1601207409808379905?cxt=HHwWgsDQlfvp0LgsAAAA

    I wonder if it includes support for Ukrainian refugees which would be pretty massive in the EU and I guess minimal in the US?
    Likely, because everyone else has given next to nothing compared to the US in military aid.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/
    But the wider impact of the energy crisis has been overwhelmingly on the EU/UK, whilst the US has gone around signing lucrative LNG deals.
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    LOL


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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Combing all the EU into one is not always reasonable, but if this is accurate I am still surprised everyone else added together goes past the USA.

    The pervasive DC narrative of the war around European free-loading is out of date. Europe is now paying more for the war than the United States. And these figures exclude the steep "energy tax" that Putin has imposed on the continent: which the Americans are not paying.


    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1601207409808379905?cxt=HHwWgsDQlfvp0LgsAAAA

    I wonder if it includes support for Ukrainian refugees which would be pretty massive in the EU and I guess minimal in the US?
    Likely, because everyone else has given next to nothing compared to the US in military aid.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/
    Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania have given a lot, given their size though.

    On that linked data it's France, Spain and Italy who are the real holdouts (also Hungary, but no surprise there).
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    Shit show at the footy, stadium only half full due to problems with crowd control outside.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Combing all the EU into one is not always reasonable, but if this is accurate I am still surprised everyone else added together goes past the USA.

    The pervasive DC narrative of the war around European free-loading is out of date. Europe is now paying more for the war than the United States. And these figures exclude the steep "energy tax" that Putin has imposed on the continent: which the Americans are not paying.


    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1601207409808379905?cxt=HHwWgsDQlfvp0LgsAAAA

    I wonder if it includes support for Ukrainian refugees which would be pretty massive in the EU and I guess minimal in the US?
    Likely, because everyone else has given next to nothing compared to the US in military aid.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/
    But the wider impact of the energy crisis has been overwhelmingly on the EU/UK, whilst the US has gone around signing lucrative LNG deals.
    They were warned about reliance on Russian gas by the U.S., but they just laughed.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,452
    M45 said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    FPT

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine

    John Kerry, the US climate official, has said he is closely examining the UK government’s approval of a new coalmine, over concerns that it will raise greenhouse gas emissions and send the wrong signal to developing countries.

    “Coal is not exactly the direction that the world is trying to move in, or needs to move in. What I want to know is the level of abatement here [such as whether the resulting greenhouse gases will be captured and stored] and the comparison of this particular process in the production of steel,” he said.


    I like John Kerry, but he looks utterly ridiculous. Quite simply, Americans have a vested interest in stopping that coal mine.

    Wiki says this:

    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), there were 853 coal mines in the U.S. in 2015, producing a total of 896,941,000 short tons of coal.[1]

    But apparently we are at fault for allowing 1.

    I don't actually blame the hatchet-faced hypocritical turd for thinking he runs the UK's energy policy (in favour of American commercial interests), I blame our own politicians for skipping down the primrose path of going along with everything the US has wanted for decades now. I would include Thatcher in this, though of course she did also have a strong personal belief in the transatlantic relationship.

    Where we are now is with a US that feels it can openly disrupt Britain's attempts to grow economically and compete fairly in global markets. Where is Kerry's 'examination' into German coal mines, or Chinese ones? Improbable as it seems, Rishi needs to discover some testicles and clarify that our relationship with America is that of two sovereign allies.
    Good to see you getting in the festive spirit by channeling Love Actually
    I have never seen it, so no idea what you mean.
    Count yourself lucky. Love Actually is the worst film ever made.
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    Stop it, Ian.
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    The giveaway is the css layout, way beyond real life PBers coding skills

    But it's a relief that I nailed you without that, first time. Yay for humanity.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,018

    Shit show at the footy, stadium only half full due to problems with crowd control outside.

    Nevertheless, Boro should beat Luton I think.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Combing all the EU into one is not always reasonable, but if this is accurate I am still surprised everyone else added together goes past the USA.

    The pervasive DC narrative of the war around European free-loading is out of date. Europe is now paying more for the war than the United States. And these figures exclude the steep "energy tax" that Putin has imposed on the continent: which the Americans are not paying.


    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1601207409808379905?cxt=HHwWgsDQlfvp0LgsAAAA

    I wonder if it includes support for Ukrainian refugees which would be pretty massive in the EU and I guess minimal in the US?
    Likely, because everyone else has given next to nothing compared to the US in military aid.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/
    But the wider impact of the energy crisis has been overwhelmingly on the EU/UK, whilst the US has gone around signing lucrative LNG deals.
    They were warned about reliance on Russian gas by the U.S., but they just laughed.
    We should be equally wary (for different reasons) about overreliance on US LNG.
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