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Andy_JS said:

The ball definitely went out according to the pictures they just showed on ITV.

I dunno. They said the curvature is what counts. And I have seen some angles when the ball's curvature might make it in?

...

Luckyguy1983 said:

Leon said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Josef Mengel, Ludwig Beethoven, the Demon of Auschwitz, Klaus Barbie, Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Goring, Adolf Eichmann, Otto Globocnik, Martin Bormann, the inventor of the currywurst, your boys took a hell of a beating

Martin Bormann invented the currywurst? Truly despicable.

Rumour has it that British squaddies played their part by supplying tomato sauce and curry powder to the entrepreneurial inventor.

Andy_JS said:

The ball definitely went out according to the pictures they just showed on ITV.

But probably in per the other better angle that's higher and more level with the line.

Jonathan said:

England did better at the World cup than Belgium and Germany.

Same as World War II

🇩🇪 😂

bigjohnowls said:

Jonathan said:

England did better at the World cup than Belgium and Germany.

Same as World War II

Someone called Leon has taken over my account

Best comment from reddit.com/r/soccer "Kanye in tears".

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

The ball definitely went out according to the pictures they just showed on ITV.

I dunno. They said the curvature is what counts. And I have seen some angles when the ball's curvature might make it in?

TV angles can be misleading - I think of pundits demonstrating a cricket ball might look like it is hitting the ground when it isn't - though I've never been entirely comfortable with the curvature argument, as in situations like this it just looks well out.

Benefit of the doubt, if it were a thing, should go to the officials, but if we're doing things by the camera precisely, this is what happens.

MarqueeMark said:

Leon said:

Can't see Japan holding out for 25 minutes

Leondamus! Japan salutes you!

*bows*

I did that deliberately

I have to use the powers of THE MIGHTY LEONDAMUS with great caution, as I can literally alter space-time, but it seemed a judicious moment = to knock the Krauts out

bigjohnowls said:

Jonathan said:

England did better at the World cup than Belgium and Germany.

Same as World War II

Going to take desperate measures then to stop Japan....

Andy_JS said:

Germany score. Argument about getting the ball.

Why do they fight over the ball in the net when they can use lots of other balls? It isn't the only one available.

Don't ask sensible questions.

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Oh stop whining about the dubious goal

NIPPON!

It was in, I think. The curve of the ball is deceptive.

Best WC ever at this rate.

Surely the goal line sensor would have beeped if it was out, but damned close.

Talking of Kanye West, he has just achieved the impossible: he got Alex Jones to defend Jews:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kanye-west-hitler-alex-jones-b2237179.html

Apparently we have to stop dissing the Nazis all the time...

pillsbury said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

Farage gives his own take on the Hussey affair, unsurprisingly he thinks '@GBNEWS
·
25s

Official
'My view is that Fulani planned this right from the very start. She’s an anti-Royal, anti-British Marxist!’

@Nigel_Farage
criticises charity boss Ngozi Fulani after she accused the late Queen's lady in waiting Lady Susan Hussey of racism.'
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1598400187130470400?s=20&t=aP53Vbtrs2jVPRkURTzgyg

That the Palace took action rather shows his take is over generous to Hussey.

No it doesn't. The palace is Chas n Baldy, and they are thick billionaires on the run from ghastly Meghan. Cock things up, overreact, shout at some understandings, job done.

Would that be the ghastly Meghan who claims that some of the Palace courtiers were racist? 🤔

pillsbury said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

Farage gives his own take on the Hussey affair, unsurprisingly he thinks '@GBNEWS
·
25s

Official
'My view is that Fulani planned this right from the very start. She’s an anti-Royal, anti-British Marxist!’

@Nigel_Farage
criticises charity boss Ngozi Fulani after she accused the late Queen's lady in waiting Lady Susan Hussey of racism.'
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1598400187130470400?s=20&t=aP53Vbtrs2jVPRkURTzgyg

Surely it's only a matter of time before Farage becomes leader of the Reform Party. And then they'll probably be on 10-15% which is probably terminal for the Tories' chances at the next election.

The Tories aren't going to win anyway, Farage leading Reform and getting 10%+ would just increase the loss further.

Sunak and Hunt would take the blame for a bad defeat and the Conservatives would then swing further right under Badenoch or Braverman or even Mogg in opposition to win back voters lost to Reform.

However provided Sunak can get a grip on migration levels and Hunt can cut taxes by the next election I think they can keep leaks to RefUK down Farage or no Farage and an outside chance of a hung parliament

Fair points, but as far as anyone can tell, we can't squash migration without totally borking the economy. Certainly on a two year timescale.

So.

I know this is a bad question, it depends on lumpy distribution, but what vote share gives RefUK a decent chance of a noticeable number of MPs?

25 to 30%, however if they got that much then Farage's party would likely have overtaken the Tories as the main opposition anyway

Tories need to ditch Sunak/Hunt. And try to dodge a Boris comeback.

And go for Braverman? Mordaunt? Who?

Definitely. Tories should go for it. A Braverman Mogg dream ticket. 🍿

pillsbury said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

Farage gives his own take on the Hussey affair, unsurprisingly he thinks '@GBNEWS
·
25s

Official
'My view is that Fulani planned this right from the very start. She’s an anti-Royal, anti-British Marxist!’

@Nigel_Farage
criticises charity boss Ngozi Fulani after she accused the late Queen's lady in waiting Lady Susan Hussey of racism.'
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1598400187130470400?s=20&t=aP53Vbtrs2jVPRkURTzgyg

Surely it's only a matter of time before Farage becomes leader of the Reform Party. And then they'll probably be on 10-15% which is probably terminal for the Tories' chances at the next election.

The Tories aren't going to win anyway, Farage leading Reform and getting 10%+ would just increase the loss further.

Sunak and Hunt would take the blame for a bad defeat and the Conservatives would then swing further right under Badenoch or Braverman or even Mogg in opposition to win back voters lost to Reform.

However provided Sunak can get a grip on migration levels and Hunt can cut taxes by the next election I think they can keep leaks to RefUK down Farage or no Farage and an outside chance of a hung parliament

Fair points, but as far as anyone can tell, we can't squash migration without totally borking the economy. Certainly on a two year timescale.

So.

I know this is a bad question, it depends on lumpy distribution, but what vote share gives RefUK a decent chance of a noticeable number of MPs?

25 to 30%, however if they got that much then Farage's party would likely have overtaken the Tories as the main opposition anyway

Tories need to ditch Sunak/Hunt. And try to dodge a Boris comeback.

And go for Braverman? Mordaunt? Who?

Penny will do.

Coming v late to the Hussey story: if something like that had happened to me, I'd have written a letter to the organisers or through them setting out the conversation, stating that it displayed dreadful bad manners and tactlessness etc rather than rush to the press and say that you don't want someone publicly humiliated - when that is exactly what you've done.

There is a fine line between wanting to find out about family history and the myriad ways in which people have come from different parts of the world to Britain and celebrate that and implying that if your grandparents or great grandparents came from outside Britain you are somehow not British. Lady Susan was on the wrong side of that line.

As for charities, I am increasingly of the view that a very large percentage of them are scams which spend more on employing people and making people feel good about themselves than on doing anything useful for anyone else.

Osborne should have stuck to his guns over limiting the amount of tax relief donors to charities can claim. I'd have reduced the tax relief to zero. You should do charitable work because you want to help others not to get some tax advantage.

Luckyguy1983 said:

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

Farage gives his own take on the Hussey affair, unsurprisingly he thinks '@GBNEWS
·
25s

Official
'My view is that Fulani planned this right from the very start. She’s an anti-Royal, anti-British Marxist!’

@Nigel_Farage
criticises charity boss Ngozi Fulani after she accused the late Queen's lady in waiting Lady Susan Hussey of racism.'
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1598400187130470400?s=20&t=aP53Vbtrs2jVPRkURTzgyg

Surely it's only a matter of time before Farage becomes leader of the Reform Party. And then they'll probably be on 10-15% which is probably terminal for the Tories' chances at the next election.

The Tories aren't going to win anyway, Farage leading Reform and getting 10%+ would just increase the loss further.

Sunak and Hunt would take the blame for a bad defeat and the Conservatives would then swing further right under Badenoch or Braverman or even Mogg in opposition to win back voters lost to Reform.

However provided Sunak can get a grip on migration levels and Hunt can cut taxes by the next election I think they can keep leaks to RefUK down Farage or no Farage and an outside chance of a hung parliament

Fair points, but as far as anyone can tell, we can't squash migration without totally borking the economy. Certainly on a two year timescale.

So.

I know this is a bad question, it depends on lumpy distribution, but what vote share gives RefUK a decent chance of a noticeable number of MPs?

25 to 30%, however if they got that much then Farage's party would likely have overtaken the Tories as the main opposition anyway

Tories need to ditch Sunak/Hunt. And try to dodge a Boris comeback.

That seems an unlikely combination of possibilities.

Bottom line is the Conservatives need to man up and prepare take their spanking.

If they're lucky, their exile will be five years.

If they're sensible, nine.

If they dick about with a culture war (yes Braverman and Badenoch, I am looking at you), thirteen.

Sometimes, the voters have just had enough of a party.

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Oh stop whining about the dubious goal

NIPPON!

It was in, I think. The curve of the ball is deceptive.

Best WC ever at this rate.

Surely the goal line sensor would have beeped if it was out, but damned close.

Yes, I'd say it was as close to being out as a ball can be without being out.

Stuartinromford said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

Farage gives his own take on the Hussey affair, unsurprisingly he thinks '@GBNEWS
·
25s

Official
'My view is that Fulani planned this right from the very start. She’s an anti-Royal, anti-British Marxist!’

@Nigel_Farage
criticises charity boss Ngozi Fulani after she accused the late Queen's lady in waiting Lady Susan Hussey of racism.'
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1598400187130470400?s=20&t=aP53Vbtrs2jVPRkURTzgyg

Surely it's only a matter of time before Farage becomes leader of the Reform Party. And then they'll probably be on 10-15% which is probably terminal for the Tories' chances at the next election.

The Tories aren't going to win anyway, Farage leading Reform and getting 10%+ would just increase the loss further.

Sunak and Hunt would take the blame for a bad defeat and the Conservatives would then swing further right under Badenoch or Braverman or even Mogg in opposition to win back voters lost to Reform.

However provided Sunak can get a grip on migration levels and Hunt can cut taxes by the next election I think they can keep leaks to RefUK down Farage or no Farage and an outside chance of a hung parliament

Fair points, but as far as anyone can tell, we can't squash migration without totally borking the economy. Certainly on a two year timescale.

So.

I know this is a bad question, it depends on lumpy distribution, but what vote share gives RefUK a decent chance of a noticeable number of MPs?

25 to 30%, however if they got that much then Farage's party would likely have overtaken the Tories as the main opposition anyway

Tories need to ditch Sunak/Hunt. And try to dodge a Boris comeback.

That seems an unlikely combination of possibilities.

Bottom line is the Conservatives need to man up and prepare take their spanking.

If they're lucky, their exile will be five years.

If they're sensible, nine.

If they dick about with a culture war (yes Braverman and Badenoch, I am looking at you), thirteen.

Sometimes, the voters have just had enough of a party.

Depends also on how bad the economy gets under a Labour government whatever the Tories do the worse Labour run the economy the better they will do in opposition

Stuartinromford said:

Leon said:

Scott_xP said:

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I wouldnae be happy if I was a German and I saw that

That image is up there with Hand of God. Not as culpable, but just as iconic.

Anyone know where the German TV coverage is? I did my GCSE over 30 years ago, but tonight's the night to see what has stuck.

https://www.zdf.de/

Luckyguy1983 said:

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

Farage gives his own take on the Hussey affair, unsurprisingly he thinks '@GBNEWS
·
25s

Official
'My view is that Fulani planned this right from the very start. She’s an anti-Royal, anti-British Marxist!’

@Nigel_Farage
criticises charity boss Ngozi Fulani after she accused the late Queen's lady in waiting Lady Susan Hussey of racism.'
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1598400187130470400?s=20&t=aP53Vbtrs2jVPRkURTzgyg

Surely it's only a matter of time before Farage becomes leader of the Reform Party. And then they'll probably be on 10-15% which is probably terminal for the Tories' chances at the next election.

The Tories aren't going to win anyway, Farage leading Reform and getting 10%+ would just increase the loss further.

Sunak and Hunt would take the blame for a bad defeat and the Conservatives would then swing further right under Badenoch or Braverman or even Mogg in opposition to win back voters lost to Reform.

However provided Sunak can get a grip on migration levels and Hunt can cut taxes by the next election I think they can keep leaks to RefUK down Farage or no Farage and an outside chance of a hung parliament

Fair points, but as far as anyone can tell, we can't squash migration without totally borking the economy. Certainly on a two year timescale.

So.

I know this is a bad question, it depends on lumpy distribution, but what vote share gives RefUK a decent chance of a noticeable number of MPs?

25 to 30%, however if they got that much then Farage's party would likely have overtaken the Tories as the main opposition anyway

Tories need to ditch Sunak/Hunt. And try to dodge a Boris comeback.

The problem isn't Sunak or Hunt. It's that things are shitty, and the Tories don't look like they can change that. Given the MPs only went with Sunak and Hunt seemingly through lack of alternative options, given they'd surely have stuck with cutting taxes if they felt it was possible, changing leaders isn't going to change direction.

🌳 = 🇩🇪 = 🚽

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

Farage gives his own take on the Hussey affair, unsurprisingly he thinks '@GBNEWS
·
25s

Official
'My view is that Fulani planned this right from the very start. She’s an anti-Royal, anti-British Marxist!’

@Nigel_Farage
criticises charity boss Ngozi Fulani after she accused the late Queen's lady in waiting Lady Susan Hussey of racism.'
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1598400187130470400?s=20&t=aP53Vbtrs2jVPRkURTzgyg

Surely it's only a matter of time before Farage becomes leader of the Reform Party. And then they'll probably be on 10-15% which is probably terminal for the Tories' chances at the next election.

The Tories aren't going to win anyway, Farage leading Reform and getting 10%+ would just increase the loss further.

Sunak and Hunt would take the blame for a bad defeat and the Conservatives would then swing further right under Badenoch or Braverman or even Mogg in opposition to win back voters lost to Reform.

However provided Sunak can get a grip on migration levels and Hunt can cut taxes by the next election I think they can keep leaks to RefUK down Farage or no Farage and an outside chance of a hung parliament

Fair points, but as far as anyone can tell, we can't squash migration without totally borking the economy. Certainly on a two year timescale.

So.

I know this is a bad question, it depends on lumpy distribution, but what vote share gives RefUK a decent chance of a noticeable number of MPs?

25 to 30%, however if they got that much then Farage's party would likely have overtaken the Tories as the main opposition anyway

Tories need to ditch Sunak/Hunt. And try to dodge a Boris comeback.

That seems an unlikely combination of possibilities.

Bottom line is the Conservatives need to man up and prepare take their spanking.

If they're lucky, their exile will be five years.

If they're sensible, nine.

If they dick about with a culture war (yes Braverman and Badenoch, I am looking at you), thirteen.

Sometimes, the voters have just had enough of a party.

Depends also on how bad the economy gets under a Labour government whatever the Tories do the worse Labour run the economy the better they will do in opposition

That's the lucky (for the Conservatives) bit. Though the US precedent seems to show that if an opposition goes too far in the culture wars, even a failing economy doesn't really save them.

Andy_JS said:

The ball definitely went out according to the pictures they just showed on ITV.

I disagree. The entirety of the ball's circumference has to be over the entirety of the line to be out.
So. The bit of the ball which touches the ground can be out, but the ball still in play. That ball wasn't out of play.

kinabalu said:

Scott_xP said:

...

Yep - in by 2mm.

Clearly in imo. Pundits daft to comment before seeing the overhead or technology pictures.

In another picture Spain now come to Englands half as likely semi final opponent.

England. Would have to come past Senegal, France, Spain, Brazil to lift it in all likelihood. Far too stiff for England, makes England a poor bet as winners, and impossible for France and Spain to meet in the final too.

Germany lose in the World Cup and there's a debate over whether a ball crossed a line?

Surely this must be unprecedented.

Cyclefree said:

Coming v late to the Hussey story: if something like that had happened to me, I'd have written a letter to the organisers or through them setting out the conversation, stating that it displayed dreadful bad manners and tactlessness etc rather than rush to the press and say that you don't want someone publicly humiliated - when that is exactly what you've done.

There is a fine line between wanting to find out about family history and the myriad ways in which people have come from different parts of the world to Britain and celebrate that and implying that if your grandparents or great grandparents came from outside Britain you are somehow not British. Lady Susan was on the wrong side of that line.

As for charities, I am increasingly of the view that a very large percentage of them are scams which spend more on employing people and making people feel good about themselves than on doing anything useful for anyone else.

Osborne should have stuck to his guns over limiting the amount of tax relief donors to charities can claim. I'd have reduced the tax relief to zero. You should do charitable work because you want to help others not to get some tax advantage.

Agree with paras 1,2 and 3. The final point is better dealt with thus: have a proper and robust definition and oversight of charities, limit their number but continue to encourage giving to them in a tax efficient way Gift Aid allows. It is of immense value to genuine charities.

In particular 'starting a charity' - a new one - (especially to 'raise awareness') feels more like therapy for the founder and attention seeking that doing actual good. (Some are personal job creation schemes for the founder and their family). When there are already a million charities, starting a new one instead of joining an older one seems almost always the worst option.

HYUFD said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

HYUFD said:

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

Farage gives his own take on the Hussey affair, unsurprisingly he thinks '@GBNEWS
·
25s

Official
'My view is that Fulani planned this right from the very start. She’s an anti-Royal, anti-British Marxist!’

@Nigel_Farage
criticises charity boss Ngozi Fulani after she accused the late Queen's lady in waiting Lady Susan Hussey of racism.'
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1598400187130470400?s=20&t=aP53Vbtrs2jVPRkURTzgyg

Surely it's only a matter of time before Farage becomes leader of the Reform Party. And then they'll probably be on 10-15% which is probably terminal for the Tories' chances at the next election.

The Tories aren't going to win anyway, Farage leading Reform and getting 10%+ would just increase the loss further.

Sunak and Hunt would take the blame for a bad defeat and the Conservatives would then swing further right under Badenoch or Braverman or even Mogg in opposition to win back voters lost to Reform.

However provided Sunak can get a grip on migration levels and Hunt can cut taxes by the next election I think they can keep leaks to RefUK down Farage or no Farage and an outside chance of a hung parliament

Fair points, but as far as anyone can tell, we can't squash migration without totally borking the economy. Certainly on a two year timescale.

So.

I know this is a bad question, it depends on lumpy distribution, but what vote share gives RefUK a decent chance of a noticeable number of MPs?

25 to 30%, however if they got that much then Farage's party would likely have overtaken the Tories as the main opposition anyway

Tories need to ditch Sunak/Hunt. And try to dodge a Boris comeback.

Boris was polling higher than Sunak is now when he resigned and far higher than Truss was.

He was, but it's still misleading, since Sunak is having to deal with the aftermath of a party made mutinous by Boris's incompetence (as was Truss), and also Truss's demolition of the Tory rating and reputation. That is, Boris as was would not be doing well now.

That doesn't mean Sunak is doing well, he clearly isn't, but Boris made his party mutiny (that his polling could have been far worse actually makes the point it was all his own damn fault, rather than merely people thinking they were in danger of losing their seats) and his supporters have been in a strop ever since, quite happy to see the Tories lose as a result.

But fundamentally we know very well that Boris would not have been doing better now than Sunak, since if that would have been the case then Boris would have stood for the leadership - and would have won it. He chose not to for a good reason.

HYUFD said:

Foxy said:

pillsbury said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

Farage gives his own take on the Hussey affair, unsurprisingly he thinks '@GBNEWS
·
25s

Official
'My view is that Fulani planned this right from the very start. She’s an anti-Royal, anti-British Marxist!’

@Nigel_Farage
criticises charity boss Ngozi Fulani after she accused the late Queen's lady in waiting Lady Susan Hussey of racism.'
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1598400187130470400?s=20&t=aP53Vbtrs2jVPRkURTzgyg

That the Palace took action rather shows his take is over generous to Hussey.

No it doesn't. The palace is Chas n Baldy, and they are thick billionaires on the run from ghastly Meghan. Cock things up, overreact, shout at some understandings, job done.

Would that be the ghastly Meghan who claims that some of the Palace courtiers were racist? 🤔

She claimed a Royal was, yet to be proved, Hussey was an aide not a royal

Must be a dreadful shock for the Royals to discovered that they’d harboured such a person in their midst for 60 years.

dixiedean said:

Andy_JS said:

The ball definitely went out according to the pictures they just showed on ITV.

I disagree. The entirety of the ball's circumference has to be over the entirety of the line to be out.
So. The bit of the ball which touches the ground can be out, but the ball still in play. That ball wasn't out of play.

Yep. In. Would usually be disallowed but in.

MoonRabbit said:

kinabalu said:

Scott_xP said:

...

Yep - in by 2mm.

Clearly in imo. Pundits daft to comment before seeing the overhead or technology pictures.

In another picture Spain now come to Englands half as likely semi final opponent.

England. Would have to come past Senegal, France, Spain, Brazil to lift it in all likelihood. Far too stiff for England, makes England a poor bet as winners, and impossible for France and Spain to meet in the final too.

By putting Spain in our half of the draw, the chances of England or France winning will be reduced. Brazil and Argentina may well meet in a very tasty semi-final in the easier half of the draw.

Sunakered.

kinabalu said:

MoonRabbit said:

kinabalu said:

Scott_xP said:

...

Yep - in by 2mm.

Clearly in imo. Pundits daft to comment before seeing the overhead or technology pictures.

In another picture Spain now come to Englands half as likely semi final opponent.

England. Would have to come past Senegal, France, Spain, Brazil to lift it in all likelihood. Far too stiff for England, makes England a poor bet as winners, and impossible for France and Spain to meet in the final too.

That's a tough path, yes. But it's doable. I think the odds on us are about right.

Portugal to come into Englands half of draw too.

algarkirk said:

Cyclefree said:

Coming v late to the Hussey story: if something like that had happened to me, I'd have written a letter to the organisers or through them setting out the conversation, stating that it displayed dreadful bad manners and tactlessness etc rather than rush to the press and say that you don't want someone publicly humiliated - when that is exactly what you've done.

There is a fine line between wanting to find out about family history and the myriad ways in which people have come from different parts of the world to Britain and celebrate that and implying that if your grandparents or great grandparents came from outside Britain you are somehow not British. Lady Susan was on the wrong side of that line.

As for charities, I am increasingly of the view that a very large percentage of them are scams which spend more on employing people and making people feel good about themselves than on doing anything useful for anyone else.

Osborne should have stuck to his guns over limiting the amount of tax relief donors to charities can claim. I'd have reduced the tax relief to zero. You should do charitable work because you want to help others not to get some tax advantage.

Agree with paras 1,2 and 3. The final point is better dealt with thus: have a proper and robust definition and oversight of charities, limit their number but continue to encourage giving to them in a tax efficient way Gift Aid allows. It is of immense value to genuine charities.

In particular 'starting a charity' - a new one - (especially to 'raise awareness') feels more like therapy for the founder and attention seeking that doing actual good. (Some are personal job creation schemes for the founder and their family). When there are already a million charities, starting a new one instead of joining an older one seems almost always the worst option.

Yes, lacking a clear niche cause it does feel like a lot of charities are not needed. Of course, maybe one is going to do a better job spending donations than one that already exists, but it's not like rivals to Oxfam go around saying Oxfam is doing a shit job and so give to them instead, so instead they all have to differentiate, which some manage, but others not so much.

Government grants then spent lobbying for more grants is a common claim, but I don't know if that is genuinely an issue.

I don't agree that Penny is an empty vessel, to my mind. She's one of that rare breed of politician who can do both empathy and authority.

She would be much better-served waiting to become leader 'till after the next election though, as I'm sure she knows.

Cookie said:

pillsbury said:

Leon said:

Scott_xP said:

...

I wouldnae be happy if I was a German and I saw that

Awa tae fuck, if the baw didnae touch the ground it disnae matter whit the squareheids thocht.

I actually quite like the Germans.
But really, if they wanted to qualify out of that group they needed to be doing rather better than scraping a win against Costa Rica. Complaining about dodgy decisions in the other match smacks of straw grasping.

The oddity to my eyes is how the cross bar, which on a fully side on shot should, I think, line up with the goal line, is actually a couple of degrees out.

Suggests the shot is taken from a short distance into the pitch, which would tend to make the ball seem more 'out'.

So, I would defer judgement on those visuals to the goal line technology.

algarkirk said:

Cyclefree said:

Coming v late to the Hussey story: if something like that had happened to me, I'd have written a letter to the organisers or through them setting out the conversation, stating that it displayed dreadful bad manners and tactlessness etc rather than rush to the press and say that you don't want someone publicly humiliated - when that is exactly what you've done.

There is a fine line between wanting to find out about family history and the myriad ways in which people have come from different parts of the world to Britain and celebrate that and implying that if your grandparents or great grandparents came from outside Britain you are somehow not British. Lady Susan was on the wrong side of that line.

As for charities, I am increasingly of the view that a very large percentage of them are scams which spend more on employing people and making people feel good about themselves than on doing anything useful for anyone else.

Osborne should have stuck to his guns over limiting the amount of tax relief donors to charities can claim. I'd have reduced the tax relief to zero. You should do charitable work because you want to help others not to get some tax advantage.

Agree with paras 1,2 and 3. The final point is better dealt with thus: have a proper and robust definition and oversight of charities, limit their number but continue to encourage giving to them in a tax efficient way Gift Aid allows. It is of immense value to genuine charities.

In particular 'starting a charity' - a new one - (especially to 'raise awareness') feels more like therapy for the founder and attention seeking that doing actual good. (Some are personal job creation schemes for the founder and their family). When there are already a million charities, starting a new one instead of joining an older one seems almost always the worst option.

Years ago, Mrs Romford was asked the University Interview Question "A relative has bequeathed a million pounds to do good in the world. What would you advise?"

Part of the right answer was recognising that it wasn't very much money and the best thing would be to put it into something bigger.

I'm very glad she got it right enough, or she probably wouldn't be Mrs Romford.

turbotubbs said:

kinabalu said:

MoonRabbit said:

kinabalu said:

Scott_xP said:

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Yep - in by 2mm.

Clearly in imo. Pundits daft to comment before seeing the overhead or technology pictures.

In another picture Spain now come to Englands half as likely semi final opponent.

England. Would have to come past Senegal, France, Spain, Brazil to lift it in all likelihood. Far too stiff for England, makes England a poor bet as winners, and impossible for France and Spain to meet in the final too.

That's a tough path, yes. But it's doable. I think the odds on us are about right.

Incredibly one team will win all their games after the group stages, no matter how improbable that seems. Happens in the FA Cup too - one side wins all their games…

turbotubbs said:

kinabalu said:

MoonRabbit said:

kinabalu said:

Scott_xP said:

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Yep - in by 2mm.

Clearly in imo. Pundits daft to comment before seeing the overhead or technology pictures.

In another picture Spain now come to Englands half as likely semi final opponent.

England. Would have to come past Senegal, France, Spain, Brazil to lift it in all likelihood. Far too stiff for England, makes England a poor bet as winners, and impossible for France and Spain to meet in the final too.

That's a tough path, yes. But it's doable. I think the odds on us are about right.

Incredibly one team will win all their games after the group stages, no matter how improbable that seems. Happens in the FA Cup too - one side wins all their games…

The rest* win all their games apart from one.

Ok one team will lose two games.

Foxy said:

MoonRabbit said:

kinabalu said:

Scott_xP said:

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Yep - in by 2mm.

Clearly in imo. Pundits daft to comment before seeing the overhead or technology pictures.

In another picture Spain now come to Englands half as likely semi final opponent.

England. Would have to come past Senegal, France, Spain, Brazil to lift it in all likelihood. Far too stiff for England, makes England a poor bet as winners, and impossible for France and Spain to meet in the final too.

By putting Spain in our half of the draw, the chances of England or France winning will be reduced. Brazil and Argentina may well meet in a very tasty semi-final in the easier half of the draw.

The noise will be like battle of the bands in that semi! Fans help make a World Cup, and the argies and Brazilian fan make great noise in the stadiums.

Glorious night of football. I don’t really have a huge animus against Germany; despite being an England fan (albeit not generally that arsed) I find the supposed rivalry a bit cringeworthy, given it is not reciprocated at all. A bit like how the Scots must feel, I guess.

England’s most interesting rivalry is with Argentina, predating the Falklands war and fairly evenly felt on both sides.

Personally though the one team I find particular irritating are Portugal, who seen to get a lot of luck and are full of unlikable players (CR7 obvs). No doubt they’ll ponce their way into the semis.

kinabalu said:

WhisperingOracle said:

I don't think Penny is an empty vessel. She's one of that that rare breed - a politician who can do empathy and authority.

She would be much better-served waiting to become leader 'till after the next election though, as I'm sure she knows.

Yes you rate her, don't you. I remember. "Empathy". For me she has a pleasant and reassuring manner but I sense little there of substance.

A little substance is a good deal more substance than the empty shirt we have at the moment.

pillsbury said:

Foxy said:

pillsbury said:

Foxy said:

pillsbury said:

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

Farage gives his own take on the Hussey affair, unsurprisingly he thinks '@GBNEWS
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'My view is that Fulani planned this right from the very start. She’s an anti-Royal, anti-British Marxist!’

@Nigel_Farage
criticises charity boss Ngozi Fulani after she accused the late Queen's lady in waiting Lady Susan Hussey of racism.'
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1598400187130470400?s=20&t=aP53Vbtrs2jVPRkURTzgyg

That the Palace took action rather shows his take is over generous to Hussey.

No it doesn't. The palace is Chas n Baldy, and they are thick billionaires on the run from ghastly Meghan. Cock things up, overreact, shout at some understandings, job done.

Would that be the ghastly Meghan who claims that some of the Palace courtiers were racist? 🤔

Yes. There are fights where you want both sides to lose, and there are people of colour who play the race card, when it's actually because they is them. Any of that need further exposition?

You are longing for me to be a racist because I pointed out your participation in the monkey grunting, hate filled nazi cesspit which is English football fandom. You pay big money to perpetuate this shit. I, conversely, am so colour blind that I would never in a million years have realised Meghan was anything other than a non blonde white person, if she didn't bang on about it.

As I pointed out earlier, I have never heard racist abuse at a Leicester City game and I have been a season ticket holder for two decades.

Your ideas of football crowds seem more like experience of St Petersburg or Moscow.

That would be the Moscow you went to for the world cup? You are like a middle class coke wanker denying any connection with Colombian cartel murders.

I didn't hear any racist abuse at the WC Semi-final in St Petersburg either. I watched the final in Moscow, but not at the game. The Russians were excellent hosts. It is the Russian club fans that do the racism. Leicester City got some monkey chants etc from Spartak Moscow fans away in the Europa League last year, but I wasn't at the match

This is beautiful yet very sad. A Christmas video from Mariupol a year ago.

Today is the first day of winter and I want you to watch this video of Christmas #Mariupol as it was a year ago, when the city and its residents didn’t yet know what awaited them in 2 months.
https://twitter.com/IrynaVoichuk/status/1598371689670316045

kinabalu said:

WhisperingOracle said:

I don't think Penny is an empty vessel. She's one of that that rare breed - a politician who can do empathy and authority.

She would be much better-served waiting to become leader 'till after the next election though, as I'm sure she knows.

Yes you rate her, don't you. I remember. "Empathy". For me she has a pleasant and reassuring manner but I sense little there of substance.

Obviously only time will tell, but I personally think she has some potential in her communication and political style.