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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    Leon said:

    pillsbury said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    I have endured "The Piano" (number 50), and L'Atalante (36). They shoudn't be in a top 10,000 let alone a top 100

    And as for the number 1?

    "A magnificent epic of experimental cinema offering a feminist perspective on recurrent events of everyday life."

    3 and a half hours of Franco-Belgian "avant garde cinema", which is "directed by a woman"

    You can here the poncey Woke BFI self-pleasuring from up here in NW1
    That list is total bollocks. Not one Carry On. Not even Khyber or Cleo (which has the greatest line in cinema). No cannonball run.

    Honestly, I would have expected some Pixar or Disney classics.
    Yeah, can't be bothered to look, but it don't mean a thing if it ain't got Toy Story and TS2, alien and aliens and at least 3 monty python films.
    Life of Brian should, quite seriously, be in the top 20

    As we have often discussed, a brilliantly prescient film as well as being bitingly funny and poignant

    Yes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    Yes, there are quite a few I’m planning to get around to watching.
    Like the list or not, it’s interesting.

    Though I simply won’t accept that The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly isn’t a finer film than Once Upon a Time in the West.
    I agree. Quite a lot of them are coming up on BFI player. A subscription is an excellent Christmas gift for film lovers, though I find MUBI streams a lot more smoothly.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    I have endured "The Piano" (number 50), and L'Atalante (36). They shoudn't be in a top 10,000 let alone a top 100

    And as for the number 1?

    "A magnificent epic of experimental cinema offering a feminist perspective on recurrent events of everyday life."

    3 and a half hours of Franco-Belgian "avant garde cinema", which is "directed by a woman"

    You can here the poncey Woke BFI self-pleasuring from up here in NW1
    That list is total bollocks. Not one Carry On. Not even Khyber or Cleo (which has the greatest line in cinema). No cannonball run.

    Honestly, I would have expected some Pixar or Disney classics.
    That last point in particular - Pixar’s golden era produced some of the greatest entertainments in the history of popular culture - Up, Wall-E, The Incredibles; all magnificent.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    No Withnail.

    These people have no idea what they are talking about.
    On the other hand it does have the Czech classic "Daisies" possibly the most unusual film that I have seen. Some Tarkovsky films too that are rarely seen in the West. His film making is astonishing.
    Manhattan is not on the list which is incomprehensible.

    But excellent to see The Apartment at 54.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?
    ….

    Pff!
    How many of them have you seen ?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,841
    I re-watched Life Of Pi the other day. Still think it oddly under-rated.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    The main conclusion from the list is that it says more about film critics than films.
  • Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited December 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: A joint investigation by TalkTV and The Sun can reveal a senior Conservative MP has been reported to the police over a string of alleged rapes and sexual assaults. But the backbench MP has not been suspended by Tory party bosses.

    @KateEMcCann https://twitter.com/FirstEdition/status/1598438921649754112/video/1

    And again, here we go. Alleged. If he is charged suspend him. It’s quite simple.
    It’s not as if we haven’t had examples of ‘ No case to answer’ quite recently is it? What’s the fecking drama here?
    Doesn't apply in teaching. You'd be escorted off the premises on an allegation.
    Why are MP's different?
    In a lot of jobs tbf.
    Well. Yes indeed. This is the job I do though, so I know.
    The whole "should be suspended only if charged", simply doesn't apply in the real world outside Parliament.
    It is a different kind of role, to be sure. They cannot lose their job off the basis of an allegation or a charge either (nor even conviction, in every case). Having the whip suspended is not really that much more meaningful an action, they will still be an MP representing their constituents and voting on national laws, not getting an invite to party meetings doesn't make much difference.

    Edit: There is that case about one being told to avoid the estate, but that is pretty rare even in these cases.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    Yes, there are quite a few I’m planning to get around to watching.
    Like the list or not, it’s interesting.

    Though I simply won’t accept that The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly isn’t a finer film than Once Upon a Time in the West.
    I agree. Quite a lot of them are coming up on BFI player. A subscription is an excellent Christmas gift for film lovers, though I find MUBI streams a lot more smoothly.
    Note never to subscribe to BFI then.

    Anything that fails to stream absolutely perfectly in HD/UHD every time should be dumped.

    (Unless you have shite internet in Rutland?)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661
    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Thanks for that. Some very fine films there though it's very different to any list I've seen before and a long way from any list I'd make. I haven't even seen two of the top ten including No1.
    So get watching !
    I quite like that it’s not all the usual suspects.
    The list seems to be based on artistic innovation in cinematography etc, rather than on audience appeal or witty script. There aren't a lot of comedies in there.
  • Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?
    ….

    Pff!
    How many of them have you seen ?
    One is too many, a thousand is never enough...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Nigelb said:

    Net slowly tightening around Trump.

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3758808-appeals-court-halts-trump-special-master-appointment-in-mar-a-lago-case/
    An appeals court on Thursday ruled that the appointment of a special master after the search of former President Trump’s Florida home was improper, determining that a lower court could not limit the Justice Department investigation into the mishandling of White House records at Mar-a-Lago.
    “The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so,” a three-judge panel wrote for the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
    “Either approach would be a reordering of our case law limiting the federal courts’ involvement in criminal investigations.”..

    I'd hope so. That whole business didn't make a lick of sense from start to finish, from him claiming he could declassify things with his mind, to the evidence being planted, no wait to it being an invasion of his privacy even though it was about government documents, to being investigated for a potential crime being unfair, and so on and so forth.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    Yes, there are quite a few I’m planning to get around to watching.
    Like the list or not, it’s interesting.

    Though I simply won’t accept that The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly isn’t a finer film than Once Upon a Time in the West.
    I agree. Quite a lot of them are coming up on BFI player. A subscription is an excellent Christmas gift for film lovers, though I find MUBI streams a lot more smoothly.
    Note never to subscribe to BFI then.

    Anything that fails to stream absolutely perfectly in HD/UHD every time should be dumped.

    (Unless you have shite internet in Rutland?)
    I am in Leics, not Rutland, but yes the Internet gets a bit choppy in damp weather.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    Citizen Kane at number 2 damns the list for me without looking any further. It's a totally shite film that somehow always seems to have to feature near the top of every such list.
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    No Withnail.

    These people have no idea what they are talking about.
    On the other hand it does have the Czech classic "Daisies" possibly the most unusual film that I have seen. Some Tarkovsky films too that are rarely seen in the West. His film making is astonishing.
    Manhattan is not on the list which is incomprehensible.

    But excellent to see The Apartment at 54.

    Love that film. A must, gracious-living-wise.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    Thwow him woughly to the gwound.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    It’s always a fascinating list, but with a few odd choices (and omissions - no Almodovar, no Spielberg, no Herzog). And never quite enough horror or comedy on the list either. Lovely to see Singin’ In The Rain holding its appeal though - and the two Miyazaki entries too.
    No David Lean
    If Lawrence of Arabia isn't there it isn't a credible list.
    It was in their directors’ poll. Of course.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    Christ, Threads is… yeah. The scariest film ever made is about right. Exorcist is great not just because it hasn’t aged - I find new things about it at different stages of life too, most obviously being a parent, but not just that. On our honeymoon in the states we made a pilgrimage to the ‘Exorcist Steps’ in DC (now mostly used by Georgetown jocks for uphill sprint training).

    Mulholland Drive is probably my fave film though (and is a kind of quasi horror) so hey.
  • Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    Citizen Kane at number 2 damns the list for me without looking any further. It's a totally shite film that somehow always seems to have to feature near the top of every such list.
    Yes quite, the denouement is that a xxxxx was called xxxxxx? (Edited for spoilers). Whoopie do.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,841

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    Citizen Kane at number 2 damns the list for me without looking any further. It's a totally shite film that somehow always seems to have to feature near the top of every such list.
    I like it though I've always thought the 2nd half less engaging than the first. The visuals were way ahead of its time though.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Jonathan said:

    The main conclusion from the list is that it says more about film critics than films.

    Film critics, understandably, see a buttload of films and so prize novelty and uniqueness, which leads them to overlook significant flaws and underrate other more 'generic' films. Add to that clear genre snobbery, and I think having any actually popular movies in the list at all is almost a surprise.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,841
    Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?

    It is racist to imply that they are not British because of their "exotic" looks. It really is that simple.
    What did she specifically ask him? His heritage or where he was from? Either way he told her Manchester and that was it.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    Yes, there are quite a few I’m planning to get around to watching.
    Like the list or not, it’s interesting.

    Though I simply won’t accept that The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly isn’t a finer film than Once Upon a Time in the West.
    I agree. Quite a lot of them are coming up on BFI player. A subscription is an excellent Christmas gift for film lovers, though I find MUBI streams a lot more smoothly.
    Note never to subscribe to BFI then.

    Anything that fails to stream absolutely perfectly in HD/UHD every time should be dumped.

    (Unless you have shite internet in Rutland?)
    I am in Leics, not Rutland, but yes the Internet gets a bit choppy in damp weather.
    Sorry I thought you said Uppingham earlier.

    I drove through Rutland the other day - some lovely looking pubs!

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    The absence of a Verhoevan film is odd too. Hard to pick out his best, but I would go for Starship Troopers or Black Book.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?
    ….

    Pff!
    How many of them have you seen ?
    49. I counted, Not bad considering how obscure the list is

    I spent my youth watching pretentious French/Italian/Russian movies, so I could appear "cultured". So much fucking Tarkovsky

    I realised a few years later that actually quite a lot of these slow, boring, ponderous over-wrought art-house films are simply quite crap, rather than bewilderingly deep

    Not all, of course. There are gems in the wankpile
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Thanks for that. Some very fine films there though it's very different to any list I've seen before and a long way from any list I'd make. I haven't even seen two of the top ten including No1.
    So get watching !
    I quite like that it’s not all the usual suspects.
    The list seems to be based on artistic innovation in cinematography etc, rather than on audience appeal or witty script. There aren't a lot of comedies in there.
    Happy Gilmore is a shocking omission
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    It’s always a fascinating list, but with a few odd choices (and omissions - no Almodovar, no Spielberg, no Herzog). And never quite enough horror or comedy on the list either. Lovely to see Singin’ In The Rain holding its appeal though - and the two Miyazaki entries too.
    No David Lean
    If Lawrence of Arabia isn't there it isn't a credible list.
    It was in their directors’ poll. Of course.
    So was Jaws.

    Just looking through the director’s list now. I think probably the ‘better’ list (it is obvs totally subjective), and good to see Kes on there, and Salo - another truly horrific but brilliant film, probably the best film ever on fascism.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited December 2022

    Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?

    It is racist to imply that they are not British because of their "exotic" looks. It really is that simple.
    What did she specifically ask him? His heritage or where he was from? Either way he told her Manchester and that was it.
    Where are you from, on its own, is a neutral question (I was asked it myself when up North). Follow ups disbelieving it (where are you from originally etc), or framing it in a way which presumes foreignness in the first place, is where it crosses lines.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    Yes, there are quite a few I’m planning to get around to watching.
    Like the list or not, it’s interesting.

    Though I simply won’t accept that The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly isn’t a finer film than Once Upon a Time in the West.
    I agree. Quite a lot of them are coming up on BFI player. A subscription is an excellent Christmas gift for film lovers, though I find MUBI streams a lot more smoothly.
    Note never to subscribe to BFI then.

    Anything that fails to stream absolutely perfectly in HD/UHD every time should be dumped.

    (Unless you have shite internet in Rutland?)
    I am in Leics, not Rutland, but yes the Internet gets a bit choppy in damp weather.
    Sorry I thought you said Uppingham earlier.

    I drove through Rutland the other day - some lovely looking pubs!

    Mrs Foxy goes to the pool there, but we don't live there. Yes, there are some excellent pubs.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    No WallE. No Wizard of Oz. No Dr Zhviago.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,841
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?

    It is racist to imply that they are not British because of their "exotic" looks. It really is that simple.
    What did she specifically ask him? His heritage or where he was from? Either way he told her Manchester and that was it.
    Where are you from, on its own, is a neutral question. Follow ups disbelieving it (where are you from originally etc), or framing it in a way which presumes foreignness in the first place, is where it crosses lines.
    And certainly in his case, we know that didn't happen.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    Christ, Threads is… yeah. The scariest film ever made is about right. Exorcist is great not just because it hasn’t aged - I find new things about it at different stages of life too, most obviously being a parent, but not just that. On our honeymoon in the states we made a pilgrimage to the ‘Exorcist Steps’ in DC (now mostly used by Georgetown jocks for uphill sprint training).

    Mulholland Drive is probably my fave film though (and is a kind of quasi horror) so hey.
    TBF Mulholland Drive appears on quite a few top 100 lists (tho never as high as number 8). Maybe I just don't get it

    If I wanted to choose one brilliant David Lynch movie it would be Elephant Man. That performance by John Hurt. Astonishing. And such a superbly intense movie, the sense of claustrophobia and concealed horror. Brrr
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    No Verhoeven at all - Robocop is a genuine masterpiece; brilliant action film, buddy cop drama and social satire. Fantastic practical effects too, maybe the best ever (except maybe Aliens, another work of genius that belongs on a top 100).
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    pillsbury said:

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    Citizen Kane at number 2 damns the list for me without looking any further. It's a totally shite film that somehow always seems to have to feature near the top of every such list.
    Yes quite, the denouement is that a xxxxx was called xxxxxx? (Edited for spoilers). Whoopie do.
    Was xxxxx called xxxxxx or was that a manufacturer name?

    I think the revelation is meant to signify the very last day he remembers being blissfully happy in the world. That despite being so successful in the rat race, he never felt happier than that moment holding his xxxxx in The xxxx
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    edited December 2022
    Where is Once Upon a Time in America?

    Where are the first two Godfather pictures?

    Why is Casablanca languishing at 68th or something?

    Embarrassing pretentious click bait from the BFI.

    Will almost certainly work.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited December 2022
    Jonathan said:

    No WallE. No Wizard of Oz. No Dr Zhviago.

    The acting in Wizard of Oz is bloody awful, just terrible (but then that is true for a lot of old movies, very hammy). But a very influential and significant movie and worth a place.

    WallE, particularly the first part, is genius - the balls on Pixar to release a kids film with virtually no dialogue for a significant chunk of it is impressive.

    Can animated movies be nominated for Best Picture Oscar now? I recall people saying WallE should have been nominated.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Foxy said:

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    The absence of a Verhoevan film is odd too. Hard to pick out his best, but I would go for Starship Troopers or Black Book.
    I feel like Black Book has been oddly forgotten in general.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Ghedebrav said:

    Foxy said:

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    The absence of a Verhoevan film is odd too. Hard to pick out his best, but I would go for Starship Troopers or Black Book.
    I feel like Black Book has been oddly forgotten in general.
    Black Book is absolutely superb. Verhoeven’s best picture. Brilliant.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited December 2022
    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    It's one of the best films of the last 25 years IMO. Mulholland Drive.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    Christ, Threads is… yeah. The scariest film ever made is about right. Exorcist is great not just because it hasn’t aged - I find new things about it at different stages of life too, most obviously being a parent, but not just that. On our honeymoon in the states we made a pilgrimage to the ‘Exorcist Steps’ in DC (now mostly used by Georgetown jocks for uphill sprint training).

    Mulholland Drive is probably my fave film though (and is a kind of quasi horror) so hey.
    TBF Mulholland Drive appears on quite a few top 100 lists (tho never as high as number 8). Maybe I just don't get it

    If I wanted to choose one brilliant David Lynch movie it would be Elephant Man. That performance by John Hurt. Astonishing. And such a superbly intense movie, the sense of claustrophobia and concealed horror. Brrr
    I’d pick Wild At Heart for its general bonkersness and a terrifically creepy performance from Willem Dafoe. Elephant Man is wonderful though.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,526
    edited December 2022
    Local borough result (IChiddingfold and Dunsfold) with huge swing to LDs - LD 652, Con 297, Lab 30. Last time (2 seats) Con 617/606, Green 406, LD 344, Lab 121. No Green this time.

    EDIT: note this is the one where the Tories withdrew endorsement 2 days before polling due to the candidate's unfortunste social media posts, though he was still Con on the ballot paper.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    No WallE. No Wizard of Oz. No Dr Zhviago.

    The acting in Wizard of Oz is bloody awful, just terrible (but then that is true for a lot of old movies, very hammy). But a very influential and significant movie and worth a place.

    WallE, particularly the first part, is genius - the balls on Pixar to release a kids film with virtually no dialogue for a significant chunk of it is impressive.

    Can animated movies be nominated for Best Picture Oscar now? I recall people saying WallE should have been nominated.
    I am always moved by Wizard of Oz, when I remember it was filmed before the world went to war. A glimpse into a world lost. WallE is a moving work of art.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Ghedebrav said:

    Foxy said:

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    The absence of a Verhoevan film is odd too. Hard to pick out his best, but I would go for Starship Troopers or Black Book.
    I feel like Black Book has been oddly forgotten in general.
    Also: Inside Out, one of the greatest animated movies ever. Cursed with a stupid generic forgettable title


    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/inside_out_2015
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    Yes, there are quite a few I’m planning to get around to watching.
    Like the list or not, it’s interesting.

    Though I simply won’t accept that The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly isn’t a finer film than Once Upon a Time in the West.
    I agree. Quite a lot of them are coming up on BFI player. A subscription is an excellent Christmas gift for film lovers, though I find MUBI streams a lot more smoothly.
    Note never to subscribe to BFI then.

    Anything that fails to stream absolutely perfectly in HD/UHD every time should be dumped.

    (Unless you have shite internet in Rutland?)
    I am in Leics, not Rutland, but yes the Internet gets a bit choppy in damp weather.
    Sorry I thought you said Uppingham earlier.

    I drove through Rutland the other day - some lovely looking pubs!

    Mrs Foxy goes to the pool there, but we don't live there. Yes, there are some excellent pubs.
    Lots of posh grey paint and well looked after frontages
  • Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?

    It is racist to imply that they are not British because of their "exotic" looks. It really is that simple.
    That is SUCH balls. Who ever thought that previous heritage has any bearing AT ALL on current citizenship? Other than 1. Balls out National Fronters, and 2. Thoroughly confused uberliberal wannabes like you? You are the one making the leap from 1. Dark skin to 2. Can't be British. Why do you think that other people think like this?

    And yet you sub the laddish ape-grunting, banana-waving football sub culture to the tune of 4 figures a year. Remarkable.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    ..

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    Yes, there are quite a few I’m planning to get around to watching.
    Like the list or not, it’s interesting.

    Though I simply won’t accept that The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly isn’t a finer film than Once Upon a Time in the West.
    I agree. Quite a lot of them are coming up on BFI player. A subscription is an excellent Christmas gift for film lovers, though I find MUBI streams a lot more smoothly.
    Note never to subscribe to BFI then.

    Anything that fails to stream absolutely perfectly in HD/UHD every time should be dumped.

    (Unless you have shite internet in Rutland?)
    I am in Leics, not Rutland, but yes the Internet gets a bit choppy in damp weather.
    Sorry I thought you said Uppingham earlier.

    I drove through Rutland the other day - some lovely looking pubs!

    Mrs Foxy goes to the pool there, but we don't live there. Yes, there are some excellent pubs.
    Lots of posh grey paint and well looked after frontages
    And nice buildings too.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Foxy said:

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    The absence of a Verhoevan film is odd too. Hard to pick out his best, but I would go for Starship Troopers or Black Book.
    I feel like Black Book has been oddly forgotten in general.
    Also: Inside Out, one of the greatest animated movies ever. Cursed with a stupid generic forgettable title


    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/inside_out_2015
    That scene when Riley comes home and they talk about being sad...I'm ok, just need to cry a little *sobs*.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    It’s always a fascinating list, but with a few odd choices (and omissions - no Almodovar, no Spielberg, no Herzog). And never quite enough horror or comedy on the list either. Lovely to see Singin’ In The Rain holding its appeal though - and the two Miyazaki entries too.
    No David Lean
    If Lawrence of Arabia isn't there it isn't a credible list.
    It was in their directors’ poll. Of course.
    Quite a lot in common between the two lists, but some interesting differences too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    It's one of the best films of the last 25 years IMO. Mulholland Drive.
    Yes, enough people love Mulholland Drive for me to accept this is my personal failing. I still don't see it as top 10 material in any form

    I'd have La La Land up there

    And Oliver!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    Lyndon only gets picked because of the f0.7 lenses used to shoot by candlelight.
    With digital cameras, that’s trivial now, and you can pick up f0.95 lenses, which will give you much the same look, relatively cheaply.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited December 2022
    Best political movie anyone?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661
    pillsbury said:

    Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?

    It is racist to imply that they are not British because of their "exotic" looks. It really is that simple.
    That is SUCH balls. Who ever thought that previous heritage has any bearing AT ALL on current citizenship? Other than 1. Balls out National Fronters, and 2. Thoroughly confused uberliberal wannabes like you? You are the one making the leap from 1. Dark skin to 2. Can't be British. Why do you think that other people think like this?

    And yet you sub the laddish ape-grunting, banana-waving football sub culture to the tune of 4 figures a year. Remarkable.
    Where are you really from?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Foxy said:

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    The absence of a Verhoevan film is odd too. Hard to pick out his best, but I would go for Starship Troopers or Black Book.
    I loathe ST because most people don’t seem to grasp it’s a satire. But that’s hardly Verhoeven’s fault.

    Black Book is absolutely brilliant but hardly anyone has seen it - possibly many are put off by the subtitles (they shouldn’t be).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Foxy said:

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    The absence of a Verhoevan film is odd too. Hard to pick out his best, but I would go for Starship Troopers or Black Book.
    I feel like Black Book has been oddly forgotten in general.
    Also: Inside Out, one of the greatest animated movies ever. Cursed with a stupid generic forgettable title


    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/inside_out_2015
    That scene when Riley comes home and they talk about being sad...I'm ok, just need to cry a little *sobs*.
    I took my eldest to see it when she was about 8

    I remember by the end the strange sound of the entire cinema quietly sobbing. Children and parents. Apart from one person: my daughter. She can be quite steely

    I was in pieces. An amazing movie
  • Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    It's one of the best films of the last 25 years IMO. Mulholland Drive.
    Yes, enough people love Mulholland Drive for me to accept this is my personal failing. I still don't see it as top 10 material in any form

    I'd have La La Land up there

    And Oliver!
    As it is nearly Xmas, any list without Alastair Sim in Scrooge is not worth looking at.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?

    It is racist to imply that they are not British because of their "exotic" looks. It really is that simple.
    That is SUCH balls. Who ever thought that previous heritage has any bearing AT ALL on current citizenship? Other than 1. Balls out National Fronters, and 2. Thoroughly confused uberliberal wannabes like you? You are the one making the leap from 1. Dark skin to 2. Can't be British. Why do you think that other people think like this?

    And yet you sub the laddish ape-grunting, banana-waving football sub culture to the tune of 4 figures a year. Remarkable.
    Where are you really from?
    One word, but it makes a big difference. I really don't think this whole area is as big a minefield as people think, even if I think the outrage need not be super intense in every single case, depending on where it falls in the malicious/ignorant scale.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    kle4 said:

    Best political movie anyone?

    All The Presidents Men
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    kle4 said:

    Best political movie anyone?

    Danton?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    I'll be annoyed if the LDs win Chester because I haven't put a bet on it.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?

    It is racist to imply that they are not British because of their "exotic" looks. It really is that simple.
    That is SUCH balls. Who ever thought that previous heritage has any bearing AT ALL on current citizenship? Other than 1. Balls out National Fronters, and 2. Thoroughly confused uberliberal wannabes like you? You are the one making the leap from 1. Dark skin to 2. Can't be British. Why do you think that other people think like this?

    And yet you sub the laddish ape-grunting, banana-waving football sub culture to the tune of 4 figures a year. Remarkable.


    Where are you really from?
    Bravo.

  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041
    Lab gain in Southampton.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Foxy said:

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    The absence of a Verhoevan film is odd too. Hard to pick out his best, but I would go for Starship Troopers or Black Book.
    I loathe ST because most people don’t seem to grasp it’s a satire. But that’s hardly Verhoeven’s fault.
    I love it for that very reason. I was amazed at the number of fairly intelligent reviewers (of the comedic style popular on the internet about 10 years ago, seems less prevalent now) who did not get it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    "Chris Whitty warns Britain faces 'prolonged period' of excess deaths not caused by Covid due to collateral effects of lockdown

    Chief Medical Officer said heart disease and cancer cases were missed in Covid
    Comments came in a 'technical report' published on the pandemic challenges
    Warned speed of vaccine development could lull UK into false sense security"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11491871/Chris-Whitty-warns-Britain-faces-prolonged-period-excess-deaths.html
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Anyway, you're wrong, the best political movie is clearly

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Prophecy
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Foxy said:

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    The absence of a Verhoevan film is odd too. Hard to pick out his best, but I would go for Starship Troopers or Black Book.
    I loathe ST because most people don’t seem to grasp it’s a satire. But that’s hardly Verhoeven’s fault.

    Black Book is absolutely brilliant but hardly anyone has seen it - possibly many are put off by the subtitles (they shouldn’t be).
    There’s a bit of a micro-genre of ‘no, you’re really not getting the point here!’ films, including ST, Fight Club and the utterly brilliant American Psycho.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    One of today's by-elections in Nick P's area I think.
  • Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?

    It is racist to imply that they are not British because of their "exotic" looks. It really is that simple.
    What did she specifically ask him? His heritage or where he was from? Either way he told her Manchester and that was it.
    According to a tweet I saw earlier from some journo or other the lady in question once asked George W Bush what he did for a living at some state function or other.

    When he was POTUS.


  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Best political movie anyone?

    All The Presidents Men
    I only saw that quite recently.

    Weirdly, I preferred The Post.
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Best political movie anyone?

    All The Presidents Men
    I only saw that fairly recently.

    I liked it - but weirdly preferred The Post (which I know I am not supposed to have)
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    Films

    Did this with a friend in the office a few years back and this is the list we came up with.

    Now Voyager
    An Affair to Remember
    The Railway Children
    Voyage to Italy - a marvellous Rossellini film with Ingrid Bergman and George Sanders
    All about Eve
    Billy Liar
    Visconti's The Leopard - magnificent - and his last film "The Innocent".
    Some Like It Hot
    Brief Encounter
    The Third Man
    Sunset Boulevard
    Also The Go-Between and Far from the Madding Crowd for Sunday afternoon viewing; the Go-Between is especially good for cold winter nights when you want to be reminded of what hot summers are like.
    And for big blockbusters: Lawrence of Arabia
    Lean's Great Expectations - esp the first scene.
    Hobson's Choice - for Charles Laughton's performance, above all, though all are good.
    Delicatessen is a delight.
    Out of Sight and O Brother Where art Thou are the best George Clooney films.
    Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources / Romuald et Juliette / Le Bossu
    Casablanca
    Cinema Paradiso
    Three Brothers - a Francesco Rosi film, unobtainable on DVD unless you have one of those American Region 1 ones; also his Illustrious Corpses
    Witness
    The Godfather 1 + 2.
    The 39 Steps
    Annie Hall and Manhattan; also Take The Money and Run
    Dr Strangelove
    Cabaret
    The Lives of Others
    Bicycle Thieves
    North by Northwest / Rebecca and Strangers on a Train
    Mephisto
    Withnail and I
    American Beauty
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
    The Usual Suspects
    This is Spinal Tap
    Gosford Park
    The Crucible
    The Elephant Man
    Spartacus
    Cool Hand Luke
    Talk To Her
    Cyrano de Bergerac
    Favourite opera films are: Joseph Losey's Don Giovanni - all Venetian masks and Palladian villas; Zeffirelli's wonderfully romantic and over the top La Traviata and Francesco Rosi's Carmen.
    I have a weakness for Mary Poppins / The Sound of Music / Gone with the Wind / Oliver - and practically any decent b/w Hollywood film from the 1940s/1950s will grab my attention if on TV - Double Indemnity / Jezebel / most films with Cary Grant etc.
    All the classic kiddie films and Toy Story, Up + ET
    Rat Race is not a great film but is hilarious - and if you haven't seen it, worth it, if only for the best visual joke about the Nazis ever.
    The Battle for Algiers
    Kurosawa's reworking of Macbeth
    Dersu Ozala

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    kle4 said:

    Best political movie anyone?

    Nashville.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    pillsbury said:

    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    What an incredibly wanky, embarrassing, pretentious list. How many French-Belgian movies do you need to prove you are "cultured"?

    No Exorcist, no Star Wars, no Jaws, indeed no Spielberg, which confirms it is idiotic

    Pff!
    It’s a film critics’ list (and I think composed of individual top tens), which explains it a bit.

    I rewatched The Exorcist recently - it is *such* a brilliant film though tbh a bit close to home with my 5 year old daughter’s increasingly fraught bedtimes :/

    A fair few of the entries on there are frankly boring, even if they have artistic merit. Why you’d have the turgid Barry Lyndon over the brilliant Clockwork Orange, I don’t know (for example).
    And Mulholland Drive at number 8? Really? The 8th best movie in movie history, worldwide? Mulholland Drive?

    The whole list is a paean to critical pretentiousness

    Yes, the Exorcist is spectacularly good - and has not aged at all. Still scary, still visceral, still shocking. The best horror movie ever made should be in the top 20, easily

    Likewise, the scariest movie ever made. THREADS. Should be up there
    Citizen Kane at number 2 damns the list for me without looking any further. It's a totally shite film that somehow always seems to have to feature near the top of every such list.
    Yes quite, the denouement is that a xxxxx was called xxxxxx? (Edited for spoilers). Whoopie do.
    Was xxxxx called xxxxxx or was that a manufacturer name?

    I think the revelation is meant to signify the very last day he remembers being blissfully happy in the world. That despite being so successful in the rat race, he never felt happier than that moment holding his xxxxx in The xxxx
    It was Earth all along…
  • Dura_Ace said:

    kle4 said:

    Best political movie anyone?

    Nashville.
    Animal Farm.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Best political movie anyone?

    All The Presidents Men
    Dr Strangelove.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited December 2022
    Tories on 22% and Reform on 9% with the latest YouGov poll is a real problem for the Conservatives.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Neither Die Hard nor Total Recall are on this list.

    Ignore.

    The absence of a Verhoevan film is odd too. Hard to pick out his best, but I would go for Starship Troopers or Black Book.
    I loathe ST because most people don’t seem to grasp it’s a satire. But that’s hardly Verhoeven’s fault.
    I love it for that very reason. I was amazed at the number of fairly intelligent reviewers (of the comedic style popular on the internet about 10 years ago, seems less prevalent now) who did not get it.
    Showgirls is his most intriguing film for similar reasons. There is a brilliant documentary about it "You don't Nomi" that dissects whether it is a truly bad film, or a brilliant expose of the American dream, and sex, lots of sex.

    https://mubi.com/films/you-don-t-nomi?utm_source=app_share&utm_medium=android
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437

    ..

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    The BFI’s current list of the 100 best films of all time has precious few British entries.
    https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time

    Some great films in there and some that I don't know. I have seen 37 of them.
    Yes, there are quite a few I’m planning to get around to watching.
    Like the list or not, it’s interesting.

    Though I simply won’t accept that The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly isn’t a finer film than Once Upon a Time in the West.
    I agree. Quite a lot of them are coming up on BFI player. A subscription is an excellent Christmas gift for film lovers, though I find MUBI streams a lot more smoothly.
    Note never to subscribe to BFI then.

    Anything that fails to stream absolutely perfectly in HD/UHD every time should be dumped.

    (Unless you have shite internet in Rutland?)
    I am in Leics, not Rutland, but yes the Internet gets a bit choppy in damp weather.
    Sorry I thought you said Uppingham earlier.

    I drove through Rutland the other day - some lovely looking pubs!

    Mrs Foxy goes to the pool there, but we don't live there. Yes, there are some excellent pubs.
    Lots of posh grey paint and well looked after frontages
    And nice buildings too.
    Tough crowd.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Films

    Did this with a friend in the office a few years back and this is the list we came up with.

    Now Voyager
    An Affair to Remember
    The Railway Children
    Voyage to Italy - a marvellous Rossellini film with Ingrid Bergman and George Sanders
    All about Eve
    Billy Liar
    Visconti's The Leopard - magnificent - and his last film "The Innocent".
    Some Like It Hot
    Brief Encounter
    The Third Man
    Sunset Boulevard
    Also The Go-Between and Far from the Madding Crowd for Sunday afternoon viewing; the Go-Between is especially good for cold winter nights when you want to be reminded of what hot summers are like.
    And for big blockbusters: Lawrence of Arabia
    Lean's Great Expectations - esp the first scene.
    Hobson's Choice - for Charles Laughton's performance, above all, though all are good.
    Delicatessen is a delight.
    Out of Sight and O Brother Where art Thou are the best George Clooney films.
    Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources / Romuald et Juliette / Le Bossu
    Casablanca
    Cinema Paradiso
    Three Brothers - a Francesco Rosi film, unobtainable on DVD unless you have one of those American Region 1 ones; also his Illustrious Corpses
    Witness
    The Godfather 1 + 2.
    The 39 Steps
    Annie Hall and Manhattan; also Take The Money and Run
    Dr Strangelove
    Cabaret
    The Lives of Others
    Bicycle Thieves
    North by Northwest / Rebecca and Strangers on a Train
    Mephisto
    Withnail and I
    American Beauty
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
    The Usual Suspects
    This is Spinal Tap
    Gosford Park
    The Crucible
    The Elephant Man
    Spartacus
    Cool Hand Luke
    Talk To Her
    Cyrano de Bergerac
    Favourite opera films are: Joseph Losey's Don Giovanni - all Venetian masks and Palladian villas; Zeffirelli's wonderfully romantic and over the top La Traviata and Francesco Rosi's Carmen.
    I have a weakness for Mary Poppins / The Sound of Music / Gone with the Wind / Oliver - and practically any decent b/w Hollywood film from the 1940s/1950s will grab my attention if on TV - Double Indemnity / Jezebel / most films with Cary Grant etc.
    All the classic kiddie films and Toy Story, Up + ET
    Rat Race is not a great film but is hilarious - and if you haven't seen it, worth it, if only for the best visual joke about the Nazis ever.
    The Battle for Algiers
    Kurosawa's reworking of Macbeth
    Dersu Ozala

    Jean de Florette :+1:
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    kle4 said:

    Best political movie anyone?

    Vice?
    Cromwell?
  • Conclusive smackdown of the Special Master business by one GWB appointee and two Trump appointees.

    https://lawandcrime.com/trump/the-answer-is-no-conservative-11th-circuit-panel-including-two-judges-trump-appointed-puts-a-stop-to-special-masters-mar-a-lago-review/

    I'm not sure if it means that the US system generally works, because although there may be the occasional hack at a lower level they'll be outvoted by non-hacks higher up, or that the GOP elites have decided that they don't want Trump to be their leader any more.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041

    Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?

    It is racist to imply that they are not British because of their "exotic" looks. It really is that simple.
    What did she specifically ask him? His heritage or where he was from? Either way he told her Manchester and that was it.
    According to a tweet I saw earlier from some journo or other the lady in question once asked George W Bush what he did for a living at some state function or other.

    When he was POTUS.


    Foxy said:

    pillsbury said:

    Holy God. Times

    "A university chancellor said that he was also questioned about his background by Lady Susan Hussey at the same event that she asked a black charity chief executive about “where she really came from.

    Nazir Afzal, 60, chancellor of the University of Manchester and a former member of the Crown Prosecution Service, said the aide had asked about his heritage “and seemed to accept my answer — Manchester currently. Racism is never far away though.”

    Why do these people think it is racist to suggest they originate from Africa or India? What have they got against it?

    It is racist to imply that they are not British because of their "exotic" looks. It really is that simple.
    What did she specifically ask him? His heritage or where he was from? Either way he told her Manchester and that was it.
    According to a tweet I saw earlier from some journo or other the lady in question once asked George W Bush what he did for a living at some state function or other.

    When he was POTUS.


    I believe she is the sister of William Waldegrave who was thought to be highly intelligent. Perhaps the genes were not passed on properly.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Cyclefree said:

    Films

    Did this with a friend in the office a few years back and this is the list we came up with.

    Now Voyager
    An Affair to Remember
    The Railway Children
    Voyage to Italy - a marvellous Rossellini film with Ingrid Bergman and George Sanders
    All about Eve
    Billy Liar
    Visconti's The Leopard - magnificent - and his last film "The Innocent".
    Some Like It Hot
    Brief Encounter
    The Third Man
    Sunset Boulevard
    Also The Go-Between and Far from the Madding Crowd for Sunday afternoon viewing; the Go-Between is especially good for cold winter nights when you want to be reminded of what hot summers are like.
    And for big blockbusters: Lawrence of Arabia
    Lean's Great Expectations - esp the first scene.
    Hobson's Choice - for Charles Laughton's performance, above all, though all are good.
    Delicatessen is a delight.
    Out of Sight and O Brother Where art Thou are the best George Clooney films.
    Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources / Romuald et Juliette / Le Bossu
    Casablanca
    Cinema Paradiso
    Three Brothers - a Francesco Rosi film, unobtainable on DVD unless you have one of those American Region 1 ones; also his Illustrious Corpses
    Witness
    The Godfather 1 + 2.
    The 39 Steps
    Annie Hall and Manhattan; also Take The Money and Run
    Dr Strangelove
    Cabaret
    The Lives of Others
    Bicycle Thieves
    North by Northwest / Rebecca and Strangers on a Train
    Mephisto
    Withnail and I
    American Beauty
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
    The Usual Suspects
    This is Spinal Tap
    Gosford Park
    The Crucible
    The Elephant Man
    Spartacus
    Cool Hand Luke
    Talk To Her
    Cyrano de Bergerac
    Favourite opera films are: Joseph Losey's Don Giovanni - all Venetian masks and Palladian villas; Zeffirelli's wonderfully romantic and over the top La Traviata and Francesco Rosi's Carmen.
    I have a weakness for Mary Poppins / The Sound of Music / Gone with the Wind / Oliver - and practically any decent b/w Hollywood film from the 1940s/1950s will grab my attention if on TV - Double Indemnity / Jezebel / most films with Cary Grant etc.
    All the classic kiddie films and Toy Story, Up + ET
    Rat Race is not a great film but is hilarious - and if you haven't seen it, worth it, if only for the best visual joke about the Nazis ever.
    The Battle for Algiers
    Kurosawa's reworking of Macbeth
    Dersu Ozala

    Quite the list, and hard to disagree with (apart from Cinema Parasido, which can get in the Med).

    Reminds me too that One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest May be my actual favourite film.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Andy_JS said:

    Tories on 22% and Reform on 9% with the latest YouGov poll is a real problem for the Conservatives.

    I find this midterm polling extremely boring - the Tories hover between 20 and 30 percent but does anyone really give a shit?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,526
    Jonathan said:

    kle4 said:

    Best political movie anyone?

    Vice?
    Cromwell?
    All the King's Men?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    Ghedebrav said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Films

    Did this with a friend in the office a few years back and this is the list we came up with.

    Now Voyager
    An Affair to Remember
    The Railway Children
    Voyage to Italy - a marvellous Rossellini film with Ingrid Bergman and George Sanders
    All about Eve
    Billy Liar
    Visconti's The Leopard - magnificent - and his last film "The Innocent".
    Some Like It Hot
    Brief Encounter
    The Third Man
    Sunset Boulevard
    Also The Go-Between and Far from the Madding Crowd for Sunday afternoon viewing; the Go-Between is especially good for cold winter nights when you want to be reminded of what hot summers are like.
    And for big blockbusters: Lawrence of Arabia
    Lean's Great Expectations - esp the first scene.
    Hobson's Choice - for Charles Laughton's performance, above all, though all are good.
    Delicatessen is a delight.
    Out of Sight and O Brother Where art Thou are the best George Clooney films.
    Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources / Romuald et Juliette / Le Bossu
    Casablanca
    Cinema Paradiso
    Three Brothers - a Francesco Rosi film, unobtainable on DVD unless you have one of those American Region 1 ones; also his Illustrious Corpses
    Witness
    The Godfather 1 + 2.
    The 39 Steps
    Annie Hall and Manhattan; also Take The Money and Run
    Dr Strangelove
    Cabaret
    The Lives of Others
    Bicycle Thieves
    North by Northwest / Rebecca and Strangers on a Train
    Mephisto
    Withnail and I
    American Beauty
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
    The Usual Suspects
    This is Spinal Tap
    Gosford Park
    The Crucible
    The Elephant Man
    Spartacus
    Cool Hand Luke
    Talk To Her
    Cyrano de Bergerac
    Favourite opera films are: Joseph Losey's Don Giovanni - all Venetian masks and Palladian villas; Zeffirelli's wonderfully romantic and over the top La Traviata and Francesco Rosi's Carmen.
    I have a weakness for Mary Poppins / The Sound of Music / Gone with the Wind / Oliver - and practically any decent b/w Hollywood film from the 1940s/1950s will grab my attention if on TV - Double Indemnity / Jezebel / most films with Cary Grant etc.
    All the classic kiddie films and Toy Story, Up + ET
    Rat Race is not a great film but is hilarious - and if you haven't seen it, worth it, if only for the best visual joke about the Nazis ever.
    The Battle for Algiers
    Kurosawa's reworking of Macbeth
    Dersu Ozala

    Quite the list, and hard to disagree with (apart from Cinema Parasido, which can get in the Med).

    Reminds me too that One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest May be my actual favourite film.
    I agree, I'd prefer to watch through Cyclefree's list than the BFI list.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    edited December 2022

    Cyclefree said:

    Films

    Did this with a friend in the office a few years back and this is the list we came up with.

    Now Voyager
    An Affair to Remember
    The Railway Children
    Voyage to Italy - a marvellous Rossellini film with Ingrid Bergman and George Sanders
    All about Eve
    Billy Liar
    Visconti's The Leopard - magnificent - and his last film "The Innocent".
    Some Like It Hot
    Brief Encounter
    The Third Man
    Sunset Boulevard
    Also The Go-Between and Far from the Madding Crowd for Sunday afternoon viewing; the Go-Between is especially good for cold winter nights when you want to be reminded of what hot summers are like.
    And for big blockbusters: Lawrence of Arabia
    Lean's Great Expectations - esp the first scene.
    Hobson's Choice - for Charles Laughton's performance, above all, though all are good.
    Delicatessen is a delight.
    Out of Sight and O Brother Where art Thou are the best George Clooney films.
    Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources / Romuald et Juliette / Le Bossu
    Casablanca
    Cinema Paradiso
    Three Brothers - a Francesco Rosi film, unobtainable on DVD unless you have one of those American Region 1 ones; also his Illustrious Corpses
    Witness
    The Godfather 1 + 2.
    The 39 Steps
    Annie Hall and Manhattan; also Take The Money and Run
    Dr Strangelove
    Cabaret
    The Lives of Others
    Bicycle Thieves
    North by Northwest / Rebecca and Strangers on a Train
    Mephisto
    Withnail and I
    American Beauty
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
    The Usual Suspects
    This is Spinal Tap
    Gosford Park
    The Crucible
    The Elephant Man
    Spartacus
    Cool Hand Luke
    Talk To Her
    Cyrano de Bergerac
    Favourite opera films are: Joseph Losey's Don Giovanni - all Venetian masks and Palladian villas; Zeffirelli's wonderfully romantic and over the top La Traviata and Francesco Rosi's Carmen.
    I have a weakness for Mary Poppins / The Sound of Music / Gone with the Wind / Oliver - and practically any decent b/w Hollywood film from the 1940s/1950s will grab my attention if on TV - Double Indemnity / Jezebel / most films with Cary Grant etc.
    All the classic kiddie films and Toy Story, Up + ET
    Rat Race is not a great film but is hilarious - and if you haven't seen it, worth it, if only for the best visual joke about the Nazis ever.
    The Battle for Algiers
    Kurosawa's reworking of Macbeth
    Dersu Ozala

    Jean de Florette :+1:
    Superb picture. The sequel is artistically vastly inferior but the emotional pay off (and Emmanuelle Beart) make it almost equally as great a watch.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,526
    Andy_JS said:

    One of today's by-elections in Nick P's area I think.

    Yes, I posted it earlier - a huge LD gain.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041
    Ghedebrav said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Films

    Did this with a friend in the office a few years back and this is the list we came up with.

    Now Voyager
    An Affair to Remember
    The Railway Children
    Voyage to Italy - a marvellous Rossellini film with Ingrid Bergman and George Sanders
    All about Eve
    Billy Liar
    Visconti's The Leopard - magnificent - and his last film "The Innocent".
    Some Like It Hot
    Brief Encounter
    The Third Man
    Sunset Boulevard
    Also The Go-Between and Far from the Madding Crowd for Sunday afternoon viewing; the Go-Between is especially good for cold winter nights when you want to be reminded of what hot summers are like.
    And for big blockbusters: Lawrence of Arabia
    Lean's Great Expectations - esp the first scene.
    Hobson's Choice - for Charles Laughton's performance, above all, though all are good.
    Delicatessen is a delight.
    Out of Sight and O Brother Where art Thou are the best George Clooney films.
    Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources / Romuald et Juliette / Le Bossu
    Casablanca
    Cinema Paradiso
    Three Brothers - a Francesco Rosi film, unobtainable on DVD unless you have one of those American Region 1 ones; also his Illustrious Corpses
    Witness
    The Godfather 1 + 2.
    The 39 Steps
    Annie Hall and Manhattan; also Take The Money and Run
    Dr Strangelove
    Cabaret
    The Lives of Others
    Bicycle Thieves
    North by Northwest / Rebecca and Strangers on a Train
    Mephisto
    Withnail and I
    American Beauty
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
    The Usual Suspects
    This is Spinal Tap
    Gosford Park
    The Crucible
    The Elephant Man
    Spartacus
    Cool Hand Luke
    Talk To Her
    Cyrano de Bergerac
    Favourite opera films are: Joseph Losey's Don Giovanni - all Venetian masks and Palladian villas; Zeffirelli's wonderfully romantic and over the top La Traviata and Francesco Rosi's Carmen.
    I have a weakness for Mary Poppins / The Sound of Music / Gone with the Wind / Oliver - and practically any decent b/w Hollywood film from the 1940s/1950s will grab my attention if on TV - Double Indemnity / Jezebel / most films with Cary Grant etc.
    All the classic kiddie films and Toy Story, Up + ET
    Rat Race is not a great film but is hilarious - and if you haven't seen it, worth it, if only for the best visual joke about the Nazis ever.
    The Battle for Algiers
    Kurosawa's reworking of Macbeth
    Dersu Ozala

    Quite the list, and hard to disagree with (apart from Cinema Parasido, which can get in the Med).

    Reminds me too that One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest May be my actual favourite film.
    Ghedebrav said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Films

    Did this with a friend in the office a few years back and this is the list we came up with.

    Now Voyager
    An Affair to Remember
    The Railway Children
    Voyage to Italy - a marvellous Rossellini film with Ingrid Bergman and George Sanders
    All about Eve
    Billy Liar
    Visconti's The Leopard - magnificent - and his last film "The Innocent".
    Some Like It Hot
    Brief Encounter
    The Third Man
    Sunset Boulevard
    Also The Go-Between and Far from the Madding Crowd for Sunday afternoon viewing; the Go-Between is especially good for cold winter nights when you want to be reminded of what hot summers are like.
    And for big blockbusters: Lawrence of Arabia
    Lean's Great Expectations - esp the first scene.
    Hobson's Choice - for Charles Laughton's performance, above all, though all are good.
    Delicatessen is a delight.
    Out of Sight and O Brother Where art Thou are the best George Clooney films.
    Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources / Romuald et Juliette / Le Bossu
    Casablanca
    Cinema Paradiso
    Three Brothers - a Francesco Rosi film, unobtainable on DVD unless you have one of those American Region 1 ones; also his Illustrious Corpses
    Witness
    The Godfather 1 + 2.
    The 39 Steps
    Annie Hall and Manhattan; also Take The Money and Run
    Dr Strangelove
    Cabaret
    The Lives of Others
    Bicycle Thieves
    North by Northwest / Rebecca and Strangers on a Train
    Mephisto
    Withnail and I
    American Beauty
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
    The Usual Suspects
    This is Spinal Tap
    Gosford Park
    The Crucible
    The Elephant Man
    Spartacus
    Cool Hand Luke
    Talk To Her
    Cyrano de Bergerac
    Favourite opera films are: Joseph Losey's Don Giovanni - all Venetian masks and Palladian villas; Zeffirelli's wonderfully romantic and over the top La Traviata and Francesco Rosi's Carmen.
    I have a weakness for Mary Poppins / The Sound of Music / Gone with the Wind / Oliver - and practically any decent b/w Hollywood film from the 1940s/1950s will grab my attention if on TV - Double Indemnity / Jezebel / most films with Cary Grant etc.
    All the classic kiddie films and Toy Story, Up + ET
    Rat Race is not a great film but is hilarious - and if you haven't seen it, worth it, if only for the best visual joke about the Nazis ever.
    The Battle for Algiers
    Kurosawa's reworking of Macbeth
    Dersu Ozala

    Quite the list, and hard to disagree with (apart from Cinema Parasido, which can get in the Med).

    Reminds me too that One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest May be my actual favourite film.
    No Astaire and Rogers? Top Hat is superb.
  • Jonathan said:

    kle4 said:

    Best political movie anyone?

    Vice?
    Cromwell?
    All the King's Men?
    Z(1969) directed by Costa Gavras
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065234/
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041
    Green hold in Arun.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    2001 is one of the worst films ever made.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Andy_JS said:

    "Chris Whitty warns Britain faces 'prolonged period' of excess deaths not caused by Covid due to collateral effects of lockdown

    Chief Medical Officer said heart disease and cancer cases were missed in Covid
    Comments came in a 'technical report' published on the pandemic challenges
    Warned speed of vaccine development could lull UK into false sense security"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11491871/Chris-Whitty-warns-Britain-faces-prolonged-period-excess-deaths.html

    Is this the same Chris Whitty that advocated lockdowns for almost two years?

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661
    Ghedebrav said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Films

    Did this with a friend in the office a few years back and this is the list we came up with.

    Now Voyager
    An Affair to Remember
    The Railway Children
    Voyage to Italy - a marvellous Rossellini film with Ingrid Bergman and George Sanders
    All about Eve
    Billy Liar
    Visconti's The Leopard - magnificent - and his last film "The Innocent".
    Some Like It Hot
    Brief Encounter
    The Third Man
    Sunset Boulevard
    Also The Go-Between and Far from the Madding Crowd for Sunday afternoon viewing; the Go-Between is especially good for cold winter nights when you want to be reminded of what hot summers are like.
    And for big blockbusters: Lawrence of Arabia
    Lean's Great Expectations - esp the first scene.
    Hobson's Choice - for Charles Laughton's performance, above all, though all are good.
    Delicatessen is a delight.
    Out of Sight and O Brother Where art Thou are the best George Clooney films.
    Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources / Romuald et Juliette / Le Bossu
    Casablanca
    Cinema Paradiso
    Three Brothers - a Francesco Rosi film, unobtainable on DVD unless you have one of those American Region 1 ones; also his Illustrious Corpses
    Witness
    The Godfather 1 + 2.
    The 39 Steps
    Annie Hall and Manhattan; also Take The Money and Run
    Dr Strangelove
    Cabaret
    The Lives of Others
    Bicycle Thieves
    North by Northwest / Rebecca and Strangers on a Train
    Mephisto
    Withnail and I
    American Beauty
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
    The Usual Suspects
    This is Spinal Tap
    Gosford Park
    The Crucible
    The Elephant Man
    Spartacus
    Cool Hand Luke
    Talk To Her
    Cyrano de Bergerac
    Favourite opera films are: Joseph Losey's Don Giovanni - all Venetian masks and Palladian villas; Zeffirelli's wonderfully romantic and over the top La Traviata and Francesco Rosi's Carmen.
    I have a weakness for Mary Poppins / The Sound of Music / Gone with the Wind / Oliver - and practically any decent b/w Hollywood film from the 1940s/1950s will grab my attention if on TV - Double Indemnity / Jezebel / most films with Cary Grant etc.
    All the classic kiddie films and Toy Story, Up + ET
    Rat Race is not a great film but is hilarious - and if you haven't seen it, worth it, if only for the best visual joke about the Nazis ever.
    The Battle for Algiers
    Kurosawa's reworking of Macbeth
    Dersu Ozala

    Quite the list, and hard to disagree with (apart from Cinema Parasido, which can get in the Med).

    Reminds me too that One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest May be my actual favourite film.
    Hard to pick one, as it depends what mood I am in, but I would plump for "Apocalypse Now". Each time I see it, I get something new.

    Sad to see no Australian films in either list. Walkabout, Wake in Fright, Picnic at Hanging Rock, Muriels Wedding, Strictly Ballroom, Mad Max 2. Loads to choose from.



  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Actually, scratch that, the best political movie is clearly THE DEATH OF STALIN

    Superb

    Not that it has much competition. There really aren't many political movies
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661
    41% turnout in Chester, pretty good for an unhyped December by-election.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    41.2 turnout pretty good
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,661

    Ghedebrav said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Films

    Did this with a friend in the office a few years back and this is the list we came up with.

    Now Voyager
    An Affair to Remember
    The Railway Children
    Voyage to Italy - a marvellous Rossellini film with Ingrid Bergman and George Sanders
    All about Eve
    Billy Liar
    Visconti's The Leopard - magnificent - and his last film "The Innocent".
    Some Like It Hot
    Brief Encounter
    The Third Man
    Sunset Boulevard
    Also The Go-Between and Far from the Madding Crowd for Sunday afternoon viewing; the Go-Between is especially good for cold winter nights when you want to be reminded of what hot summers are like.
    And for big blockbusters: Lawrence of Arabia
    Lean's Great Expectations - esp the first scene.
    Hobson's Choice - for Charles Laughton's performance, above all, though all are good.
    Delicatessen is a delight.
    Out of Sight and O Brother Where art Thou are the best George Clooney films.
    Jean de Florette and Manon des Sources / Romuald et Juliette / Le Bossu
    Casablanca
    Cinema Paradiso
    Three Brothers - a Francesco Rosi film, unobtainable on DVD unless you have one of those American Region 1 ones; also his Illustrious Corpses
    Witness
    The Godfather 1 + 2.
    The 39 Steps
    Annie Hall and Manhattan; also Take The Money and Run
    Dr Strangelove
    Cabaret
    The Lives of Others
    Bicycle Thieves
    North by Northwest / Rebecca and Strangers on a Train
    Mephisto
    Withnail and I
    American Beauty
    One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
    The Usual Suspects
    This is Spinal Tap
    Gosford Park
    The Crucible
    The Elephant Man
    Spartacus
    Cool Hand Luke
    Talk To Her
    Cyrano de Bergerac
    Favourite opera films are: Joseph Losey's Don Giovanni - all Venetian masks and Palladian villas; Zeffirelli's wonderfully romantic and over the top La Traviata and Francesco Rosi's Carmen.
    I have a weakness for Mary Poppins / The Sound of Music / Gone with the Wind / Oliver - and practically any decent b/w Hollywood film from the 1940s/1950s will grab my attention if on TV - Double Indemnity / Jezebel / most films with Cary Grant etc.
    All the classic kiddie films and Toy Story, Up + ET
    Rat Race is not a great film but is hilarious - and if you haven't seen it, worth it, if only for the best visual joke about the Nazis ever.
    The Battle for Algiers
    Kurosawa's reworking of Macbeth
    Dersu Ozala

    Quite the list, and hard to disagree with (apart from Cinema Parasido, which can get in the Med).

    Reminds me too that One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest May be my actual favourite film.
    I agree, I'd prefer to watch through Cyclefree's list than the BFI list.
    A lot are on both lists.
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