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Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.0 -
My youngest made his university ice hockey debut last night. They lost 22-0.
I wasn't surprised, as, when he went down in September, I wasn't aware of him ever having been skating.8 -
Anyone think England might be better coming second in our group?
Realise I’m getting miles ahead, but… don’t fancy France in a potential quarter final0 -
PartlyCyclefree said:
Well I could be even more provocative and draw a line between the payment of cash for indulgences to the medieval pre-Reformation church and the payment of cash by various public and private organisations to - and doing what they are told by - today's secular priesthoods (aka charities) in return for getting brownie points and put higher up the Diversity rankings issued by said charities. Which the organizations then boast about.Malmesbury said:
Yes, it's almost as if the past is a set of lessons we could learn from or something.Cyclefree said:I am - provocatively - going to bring today's two threads together.
Missionaries going to Africa to bring Christianity and medicine - as in that dreadful painting - is now seen as bad and of its time and not on now. Instead we have the likes of Oxfam who bring help to the poorest and those affected by natural disasters and.... er...... sexually exploit poor women.
As here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56670162 - some 3 years after the previous scandal. We have had similar stories about UN relief agencies and other NGOs - for instance, refugee children in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone were subjected to sexual abuse and exploitation, reportedly by employees of national and international NGOs, UNHCR and other UN bodies. Even Save The Children was subject to sexual abuse allegations against its employees.
It's almost as if people with power will abuse it, sexual predators will abuse every opportunity they can find and doing good works does not stop people behaving like total arseholes - whether in the 19th century or now.
"The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted the spoons."
Does anyone else wonder about the anger of some of the Reformers in the Reformation and draw a line with the scandals of the Catholic Church today?
And both the medieval Church and today's organizations were / are seemingly incapable of realising the grotesque conflict of interest they were / are thereby creating, which was detrimental to the Church then and good governance today.
Is that what you were referring to? 🤔
The plays never change. Only the pitch of what they are selling varies.0 -
Should have scored0
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Yep, I’d want to go the other way, but it’s hard to engineer when the opposition are as poor as Wales.Anabobazina said:Anyone think England might be better coming second in our group?
Realise I’m getting miles ahead, but… don’t fancy France in a potential quarter final1 -
I don't care what it costs, just tell Gareth Southgate please.dixiedean said:"It's very difficult to play against top class players when they pass and move the ball at speed."
Thanks Alan Shearer.
If the BBC wants to save money, I will provide such insights for a tenth of the price.0 -
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.1 -
"can see Wales scoring four without reply" it has to be.turbotubbs said:0 -
It's almost as if people with power [over other people] will use it.Cyclefree said:I am - provocatively - going to bring today's two threads together.
Missionaries going to Africa to bring Christianity and medicine - as in that dreadful painting - is now seen as bad and of its time and not on now. Instead we have the likes of Oxfam who bring help to the poorest and those affected by natural disasters and.... er...... sexually exploit poor women.
As here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56670162 - some 3 years after the previous scandal. We have had similar stories about UN relief agencies and other NGOs - for instance, refugee children in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone were subjected to sexual abuse and exploitation, reportedly by employees of national and international NGOs, UNHCR and other UN bodies. Even Save The Children was subject to sexual abuse allegations against its employees.
It's almost as if people with power will abuse it, sexual predators will abuse every opportunity they can find and doing good works does not stop people behaving like total arseholes - whether in the 19th century or now.
"The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted the spoons."
E.g. not just Oxfam and bosses and medics and what have you but those who operate in the name of fictitious persons such as Google or Facebook or HMUKoGB&NI.
There's a solution. It's millenarian.0 -
The more games I see, the harder it is to see anybody challening France other than Brazil.2
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Argentina must surely improveFrancisUrquhart said:The more games I see, the harder it is to see anybody challening France other than Brazil.
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If Costa Rica grind out a draw or better vs Germany, and Spain dispatch Japan they go through. Remarkable after their poor start.0
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"Last time Germany lost their two opening matches was 1938."
So much for the master race, eh Adolf?0 -
2002 World Cup repeat. Get thumped by England, have to go through the playoffs, get an easy group and then play Paraguay in the last 16, USA in the quarters, South Korea in the semis.dixiedean said:
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.0 -
New calculations needed now.0
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Agreed. France look by far the best side in it. Seem to have ludicrously rich resources in their squad.FrancisUrquhart said:The more games I see, the harder it is to see anybody challening France other than Brazil.
But, who knows?0 -
Germany right back in the World Cup now0
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Most ad agencies are woker than woke - all central london based, all skewed heavily young (most people under 40, well over half under 30) and left leaning.turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
Because of the nature of tv commercials - 30 seconds on average - it's rare to be able to feature more than two or at most three characters. The account managers go "you can't do an ad with three white people in, not in multicultural britain, it's racist" so what you get is at least one of the two or three main characters being of a different ethnicity - which also winds people up no end as it's generally a family scenario with multiple ethnicities, which remains rare in the UK.
Trying to argue "but x minority only has y (where y < 10%) of the population therefore there should only be y of minorities in our ads will not get you very far - just accusations of racism. So the proportion of x minorities in ads is anywhere from 33-50% depending on how many main characters there are in the ad.1 -
On the other hand you can get a generous 6/1 against France winning the Cup
That seems like VALUE
As @FrancisUrquhart says they look like the best team alongside Brazil
Presumably the odds reflect the various obstacles in front of France. England potentially in the QFs etc. Nonetheless that’s maybe worth a nibble. For nibblers2 -
Can he get a scholarship playing for the team?dixiedean said:My youngest made his university ice hockey debut last night. They lost 22-0.
I wasn't surprised, as, when he went down in September, I wasn't aware of him ever having been skating.
IF not, suggest he look into possibilities at University of Maine Fort Kent or similar?
Or maybe Simon Fraser University?0 -
Be great if Germany can nick a winner - all teams would then have 3 points0
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That is VALUE.Leon said:On the other hand you can get a generous 6/1 against France winning the Cup
That seems like VALUE
As @FrancisUrquhart says they look like the best team alongside Brazil
Presumably the odds reflect the various obstacles in front of France. England potentially in the QFs etc. Nonetheless that’s maybe worth a nibble. For nibblers
I might have a soupçon if I feel similarly when sober0 -
It is never "great" if Germany nick a winner.Anabobazina said:Be great if Germany can nick a winner - all teams would then have 3 points
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No googling, what is the only occasion that all four teams in a World Cup group have got four points?Anabobazina said:Be great if Germany can nick a winner - all teams would then have 3 points
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Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.1 -
If nothing else, it will be an emotional hedge against the pain of France winning the World Cup AGAINAnabobazina said:
That is VALUE.Leon said:On the other hand you can get a generous 6/1 against France winning the Cup
That seems like VALUE
As @FrancisUrquhart says they look like the best team alongside Brazil
Presumably the odds reflect the various obstacles in front of France. England potentially in the QFs etc. Nonetheless that’s maybe worth a nibble. For nibblers
I might have a soupçon if I feel similarly when sober
I might go for £20. I get a very decent lunch if they win1 -
What a day its been.
Politicians are like buses, you wait around for thirty years to see one, then FOUR turn up all at once.
The last time I met a politician was Angela Eagle, then newly elected for Wallasey, all the way back in December 1992 for our secondary school awards ceremony.
Nothing since, though I'd made no effort to actually meet them and then last week I was jumped by Paula Barker, MP for Liverpool Wavertree whilst out shopping at Asda ("the Asda") near Sefton Park. Didn't have the heart to tell her I wasn't a constituent.
Not to be deterred however, we ran into Peter Dowd, who my wife and I met today at our Church in Crosby. I didn't expect to say a single word to him, but he came over to us during tea and cake and shared a long chat with us, discussing life as an MP, but also a nice long chat about the EU and how the Conservatives have messed it all up.
Finally, two local councillors were approached and thanked by my wife for their help in the summer over the erection of a 5G mast proposed outside our house (which was then blocked).
Four in a week. My goodness.2 -
Rather them than SpainMexicanpete said:
It is never "great" if Germany nick a winner.Anabobazina said:Be great if Germany can nick a winner - all teams would then have 3 points
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An African kneeling? It's the white person kneeling in the painting. Basic facts wrong.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well the BBC are unconcerned....Leon said:
Well, the Wellcome morons are getting tremendous pushback on Twitter and near universal condemnation, so maybe, in this rare instance, the Wokeness will be defeatedRatters said:
The liberal critique of it is easy: that opposing ideas should be engaged with and not cancelled. That ideas should be judged on their merit and not the person who spoke them.Gardenwalker said:The thing I find offensive here is that the activity and language of the Wellcome Museum is the precise opposite of the empancipatory, liberal values of the Enlightenment.
Instead of engaging, it seeks to exclude.
Instead of accessibility, it’s literally closing.
Instead of education, the idea is to shame.
My issue with the general “Tory” campaign against woke is that it doesn’t position itself in liberal values either. It’s just knockabout stuff to eke out coverage in the Mail.
We need a proper liberal critique of “woke”.
I also agree that the Tory critique is often misplaced and based on them not liking an opposing view. For example, I'd argue choosing to remove a statue of a slave owner from a public place is a reasonable, non-woke position to take. Such artifacts are divisive, so depending on the wider achievements of said person, may be better suited to a museum.
But where things should definitely not be cancelled is in a museum. That is a place where people go by choice and the curation can explain where pieces are controversial.
But I'm not betting on it
Controversial objects include a 1916 painting titled "A Medical Missionary Attending to a Sick African" which depicts an African person kneeling in front of a white missionary.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63772864
What is interesting here is that this is now totally verboten. Are we to say that never happened? Of course you could easily put context of we need to be careful here about the motivates of such a painting etc etc etc.0 -
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are hugely overrepresented.turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.0 -
That I do not know. Please tell!tlg86 said:
No googling, what is the only occasion that all four teams in a World Cup group have got four points?Anabobazina said:Be great if Germany can nick a winner - all teams would then have 3 points
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Absolutely. I like your thinkingLeon said:
If nothing else, it will be an emotional hedge against the pain of France winning the World Cup AGAINAnabobazina said:
That is VALUE.Leon said:On the other hand you can get a generous 6/1 against France winning the Cup
That seems like VALUE
As @FrancisUrquhart says they look like the best team alongside Brazil
Presumably the odds reflect the various obstacles in front of France. England potentially in the QFs etc. Nonetheless that’s maybe worth a nibble. For nibblers
I might have a soupçon if I feel similarly when sober
I might go for £20. I get a very decent lunch if they win0 -
And then pundits bemoan the fact that the average voter greatly over-estimates the numbers of BAMEs in the country. Well duhCasino_Royale said:
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are hugely overrepresented.turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.0 -
World Cup is similar to the Champions League, the luck of the draw plays a huge part in who wins it.tlg86 said:
2002 World Cup repeat. Get thumped by England, have to go through the playoffs, get an easy group and then play Paraguay in the last 16, USA in the quarters, South Korea in the semis.dixiedean said:
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.1 -
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.0 -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_EAnabobazina said:
That I do not know. Please tell!tlg86 said:
No googling, what is the only occasion that all four teams in a World Cup group have got four points?Anabobazina said:Be great if Germany can nick a winner - all teams would then have 3 points
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My view is that it's VALUE not to bet on the football.Anabobazina said:
That is VALUE.Leon said:On the other hand you can get a generous 6/1 against France winning the Cup
That seems like VALUE
As @FrancisUrquhart says they look like the best team alongside Brazil
Presumably the odds reflect the various obstacles in front of France. England potentially in the QFs etc. Nonetheless that’s maybe worth a nibble. For nibblers
I might have a soupçon if I feel similarly when sober0 -
Same points and same goal difference!!tlg86 said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_EAnabobazina said:
That I do not know. Please tell!tlg86 said:
No googling, what is the only occasion that all four teams in a World Cup group have got four points?Anabobazina said:Be great if Germany can nick a winner - all teams would then have 3 points
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2002 was especially bad as the tournament was split into two.OllyT said:
World Cup is similar to the Champions League, the luck of the draw plays a huge part in who wins it.tlg86 said:
2002 World Cup repeat. Get thumped by England, have to go through the playoffs, get an easy group and then play Paraguay in the last 16, USA in the quarters, South Korea in the semis.dixiedean said:
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.
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Not much sign of Conservative politicians in Merseyside.TheValiant said:What a day its been.
Politicians are like buses, you wait around for thirty years to see one, then FOUR turn up all at once.
The last time I met a politician was Angela Eagle, then newly elected for Wallasey, all the way back in December 1992 for our secondary school awards ceremony.
Nothing since, though I'd made no effort to actually meet them and then last week I was jumped by Paula Barker, MP for Liverpool Wavertree whilst out shopping at Asda ("the Asda") near Sefton Park. Didn't have the heart to tell her I wasn't a constituent.
Not to be deterred however, we ran into Peter Dowd, who my wife and I met today at our Church in Crosby. I didn't expect to say a single word to him, but he came over to us during tea and cake and shared a long chat with us, discussing life as an MP, but also a nice long chat about the EU and how the Conservatives have messed it all up.
Finally, two local councillors were approached and thanked by my wife for their help in the summer over the erection of a 5G mast proposed outside our house (which was then blocked).
Four in a week. My goodness.0 -
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.
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Bigots do.Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.2 -
How so? Do you mean that the two halves of the draw were set in stone prior to the outset (I.e. you could meet your group mate in the semi not the final?)tlg86 said:
2002 was especially bad as the tournament was split into two.OllyT said:
World Cup is similar to the Champions League, the luck of the draw plays a huge part in who wins it.tlg86 said:
2002 World Cup repeat. Get thumped by England, have to go through the playoffs, get an easy group and then play Paraguay in the last 16, USA in the quarters, South Korea in the semis.dixiedean said:
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.
1 -
Would you give a **** if 85% of people in adverts were white, which is in line with the actual percentages in the population?Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.0 -
tlg86 said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_EAnabobazina said:
That I do not know. Please tell!tlg86 said:
No googling, what is the only occasion that all four teams in a World Cup group have got four points?Anabobazina said:Be great if Germany can nick a winner - all teams would then have 3 points
Incredible
0 -
I couldn’t care less either wayAndy_JS said:
Would you give a **** if 85% of people in adverts were white, which is in line with the actual percentages in the population?Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.1 -
Yes, I guess it was done to keep Japan in Japan and Korea in Korea.Anabobazina said:
How so? Do you mean that the two halves of the draw were set in stone prior to the outset (I.e. you could meet your group mate in the semi not the final?)tlg86 said:
2002 was especially bad as the tournament was split into two.OllyT said:
World Cup is similar to the Champions League, the luck of the draw plays a huge part in who wins it.tlg86 said:
2002 World Cup repeat. Get thumped by England, have to go through the playoffs, get an easy group and then play Paraguay in the last 16, USA in the quarters, South Korea in the semis.dixiedean said:
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.
Arguably it doesn’t really matter, but it feels a bit wrong.
Personally, my preference would be for only the eight group winners to progress, then two groups of four with the winners meeting in the final.
1 -
That setup was stopped by the bribery of Peru by Argentina in 1978.tlg86 said:
Yes, I guess it was done to keep Japan in Japan and Korea in Korea.Anabobazina said:
How so? Do you mean that the two halves of the draw were set in stone prior to the outset (I.e. you could meet your group mate in the semi not the final?)tlg86 said:
2002 was especially bad as the tournament was split into two.OllyT said:
World Cup is similar to the Champions League, the luck of the draw plays a huge part in who wins it.tlg86 said:
2002 World Cup repeat. Get thumped by England, have to go through the playoffs, get an easy group and then play Paraguay in the last 16, USA in the quarters, South Korea in the semis.dixiedean said:
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.
Arguably it doesn’t really matter, but it feels a bit wrong.
Personally, my preference would be for only the eight group winners to progress, then two groups of four with the winners meeting in the final.
They needed a 4 goal win and won by 6.
Signed off by the dictators for a huge foreign debt payment apparently.0 -
The riots in Belgium look very bad, especially for what they say about social cohesion there:
https://news.sky.com/story/riots-erupt-in-brussels-after-morocco-pull-off-world-cup-upset-beating-belgium-127567740 -
Sorry Norway, your flag doesn't fit.....Anabobazina said:tlg86 said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup_Group_EAnabobazina said:
That I do not know. Please tell!tlg86 said:
No googling, what is the only occasion that all four teams in a World Cup group have got four points?Anabobazina said:Be great if Germany can nick a winner - all teams would then have 3 points
Incredible0 -
The recent RL world cup had that system for mysterious reasons. England played Samoa in the group and then in semi.tlg86 said:
Yes, I guess it was done to keep Japan in Japan and Korea in Korea.Anabobazina said:
How so? Do you mean that the two halves of the draw were set in stone prior to the outset (I.e. you could meet your group mate in the semi not the final?)tlg86 said:
2002 was especially bad as the tournament was split into two.OllyT said:
World Cup is similar to the Champions League, the luck of the draw plays a huge part in who wins it.tlg86 said:
2002 World Cup repeat. Get thumped by England, have to go through the playoffs, get an easy group and then play Paraguay in the last 16, USA in the quarters, South Korea in the semis.dixiedean said:
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.
Arguably it doesn’t really matter, but it feels a bit wrong.
Personally, my preference would be for only the eight group winners to progress, then two groups of four with the winners meeting in the final.
No idea why at all.1 -
Would be a quality format although lots of jeopardy!tlg86 said:
Yes, I guess it was done to keep Japan in Japan and Korea in Korea.Anabobazina said:
How so? Do you mean that the two halves of the draw were set in stone prior to the outset (I.e. you could meet your group mate in the semi not the final?)tlg86 said:
2002 was especially bad as the tournament was split into two.OllyT said:
World Cup is similar to the Champions League, the luck of the draw plays a huge part in who wins it.tlg86 said:
2002 World Cup repeat. Get thumped by England, have to go through the playoffs, get an easy group and then play Paraguay in the last 16, USA in the quarters, South Korea in the semis.dixiedean said:
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.
Arguably it doesn’t really matter, but it feels a bit wrong.
Personally, my preference would be for only the eight group winners to progress, then two groups of four with the winners meeting in the final.
0 -
That report manages to delicately dance around those responsible. If you weren't careful you might think it was general football fans or even angry Belgium fans....or as the BBC report described it "celebrations".williamglenn said:The riots in Belgium look very bad, especially for what they say about social cohesion there:
https://news.sky.com/story/riots-erupt-in-brussels-after-morocco-pull-off-world-cup-upset-beating-belgium-127567740 -
Risky. What if Germany turn over Costa Rica like Spain did and score 8?MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
Then Japan and Germany would go through and Spain would be out.0 -
Well, comments like this are sort of the point, aren't they? As are the dumb "likes" they garner.Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.
There is no level of overrepresentation that would garner any criticism because it risks making the person making them look like a secret racist, so why not turn it up to 100%?
What possible (legitimate) objection could there be?
One can only really say: I don't care.
Whilst they are just adverts, which no-one really likes and wants to watch anyone, the problem is they contribute to a view in which some whites may feel unrepresented and unvalued, and to a climate where immigration is perceived to be massively higher than it actually is, both of which could have real world political effects - including both poor policy and polarisation.
So, the sensible course isn’t to just go for the cheap and easy applause with "Yawn. Who gives a fuck?" but to be brave enough to, yes, challenge overreach whilst also arguing for proper representation and inclusion at the same time.
This stuff shouldn't be hard.
4 -
In fairness. I think that comment was made at 1-0 to Spain.TheValiant said:
Risky. What if Germany turn over Costa Rica like Spain did and score 8?MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
Then Japan and Germany would go through and Spain would be out.0 -
Bribery or threats?!dixiedean said:
That setup was stopped by the bribery of Peru by Argentina in 1978.tlg86 said:
Yes, I guess it was done to keep Japan in Japan and Korea in Korea.Anabobazina said:
How so? Do you mean that the two halves of the draw were set in stone prior to the outset (I.e. you could meet your group mate in the semi not the final?)tlg86 said:
2002 was especially bad as the tournament was split into two.OllyT said:
World Cup is similar to the Champions League, the luck of the draw plays a huge part in who wins it.tlg86 said:
2002 World Cup repeat. Get thumped by England, have to go through the playoffs, get an easy group and then play Paraguay in the last 16, USA in the quarters, South Korea in the semis.dixiedean said:
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.
Arguably it doesn’t really matter, but it feels a bit wrong.
Personally, my preference would be for only the eight group winners to progress, then two groups of four with the winners meeting in the final.
I’d have the winner, runner up, and third place team qualify for the next tournament to incentivise making the third place playoff.
And, of course, the final games would be played at the same time as each other, which wasn’t the case in 1978.
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Like @Anabobazina, I fail to understand why anyone gets the slightest bit exercised by this. Why does it matter in the slightest?Casino_Royale said:
Well, comments like this are sort of the point, aren't they? As are the dumb "likes" they garner.Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.
There is no level of overrepresentation that would garner any criticism because it risks making the person making them look like a secret racist, so why not turn it up to 100%?
What possible (legitimate) objection could there be?
One can only really say: I don't care.
Whilst they are just adverts, which no-one really likes and wants to watch anyone, the problem is they contribute to a view in which some whites may feel unrepresented and unvalued, and to a climate where immigration is perceived to be massively higher than it actually is, both of which could have real world political effects - including both poor policy and polarisation.
So, the sensible course isn’t to just go for the cheap and easy applause with "Yawn. Who gives a fuck?" but to be brave enough to, yes, challenge overreach whilst also arguing for proper representation and inclusion at the same time.
This stuff shouldn't be hard.1 -
Tonight’s game would have been a belter.Anabobazina said:
Would be a quality format although lots of jeopardy!tlg86 said:
Yes, I guess it was done to keep Japan in Japan and Korea in Korea.Anabobazina said:
How so? Do you mean that the two halves of the draw were set in stone prior to the outset (I.e. you could meet your group mate in the semi not the final?)tlg86 said:
2002 was especially bad as the tournament was split into two.OllyT said:
World Cup is similar to the Champions League, the luck of the draw plays a huge part in who wins it.tlg86 said:
2002 World Cup repeat. Get thumped by England, have to go through the playoffs, get an easy group and then play Paraguay in the last 16, USA in the quarters, South Korea in the semis.dixiedean said:
More likely. Spain's second team squeak a 1-0 win. Germany win 2-0.MarqueeMark said:Spain rest their players in the final group game against Japan, who get a 1-0 win. Everyone happy.
Except the Germans.
They then play Morocco, then Portugal in the quarters and go out as semi-finalists.
Arguably it doesn’t really matter, but it feels a bit wrong.
Personally, my preference would be for only the eight group winners to progress, then two groups of four with the winners meeting in the final.1 -
Would you say the same if minorities were systematically under-represented?Benpointer said:Like @Anabobazina, I fail to understand why anyone gets the slightest bit exercised by this. Why does it matter in the slightest?
2 -
The continuous degradation and disrespect for "whiteness" will, eventually, come back to bite the Woke on the arse. We already see it stirring in AmericaCasino_Royale said:
Well, comments like this are sort of the point, aren't they? As are the dumb "likes" they garner.Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.
There is no level of overrepresentation that would garner any criticism because it risks making the person making them look like a secret racist, so why not turn it up to 100%?
What possible (legitimate) objection could there be?
One can only really say: I don't care.
Whilst they are just adverts, which no-one really likes and wants to watch anyone, the problem is they contribute to a view in which some whites may feel unrepresented and unvalued, and to a climate where immigration is perceived to be massively higher than it actually is, both of which could have real world political effects - including both poor policy and polarisation.
So, the sensible course isn’t to just go for the cheap and easy applause with "Yawn. Who gives a fuck?" but to be brave enough to, yes, challenge overreach whilst also arguing for proper representation and inclusion at the same time.
This stuff shouldn't be hard.
IBecause. f you single out Whites and White Culture and cis-het-White Males for unique abuse, and claim they are uniquely evil, then inevitably and eventually Whites will caucus as White People, vote for White Candidates, White Parties, and White Pride. Haute bourgeois disapproval can only prevent this for so long
I used to bemoan this development, and I still see it as deeply sad and regrettable. Now I also see it as likely inevitable1 -
Well, although both areas will deny it, Southport has a Conservative MP and Wirral West has flirted recently enough with Ester McVey. Both are considered in Merseyside.Andy_JS said:
Not much sign of Conservative politicians in Merseyside.TheValiant said:What a day its been.
Politicians are like buses, you wait around for thirty years to see one, then FOUR turn up all at once.
The last time I met a politician was Angela Eagle, then newly elected for Wallasey, all the way back in December 1992 for our secondary school awards ceremony.
Nothing since, though I'd made no effort to actually meet them and then last week I was jumped by Paula Barker, MP for Liverpool Wavertree whilst out shopping at Asda ("the Asda") near Sefton Park. Didn't have the heart to tell her I wasn't a constituent.
Not to be deterred however, we ran into Peter Dowd, who my wife and I met today at our Church in Crosby. I didn't expect to say a single word to him, but he came over to us during tea and cake and shared a long chat with us, discussing life as an MP, but also a nice long chat about the EU and how the Conservatives have messed it all up.
Finally, two local councillors were approached and thanked by my wife for their help in the summer over the erection of a 5G mast proposed outside our house (which was then blocked).
Four in a week. My goodness.
Although I've not checked everywhere, I think they have some local strength in the suburbs of Merseyside. Formby, Ainsdale, the west of Wirral and I suspect the leafier parts of south Liverpool will see some local strength.
But mostly, it's Labour towering over everything.0 -
They were poor today too and very lucky to win. Their team is very old and has nearly all players from domestic clubs excluding many good young players in European clubs. An absolute disgrace the way the national team is run and the Colombian manager allowing the players to drink heavily the night before a game.Foxy said:If Costa Rica grind out a draw or better vs Germany, and Spain dispatch Japan they go through. Remarkable after their poor start.
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I bring it up because it is so noticeable. It’s as if all advertisers have come to the same cunning wheeze at the same time - all families are mixed race so you hit as much of the target audience as possible. And by doing so they no longer represent the U.K. population, at least the vast majority, who don’t live in mixed race couples. And as casino says, it leads to people thinking the U.K. is far less white than it is, which adds to fears about immigration.Benpointer said:
Like @Anabobazina, I fail to understand why anyone gets the slightest bit exercised by this. Why does it matter in the slightest?Casino_Royale said:
Well, comments like this are sort of the point, aren't they? As are the dumb "likes" they garner.Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.
There is no level of overrepresentation that would garner any criticism because it risks making the person making them look like a secret racist, so why not turn it up to 100%?
What possible (legitimate) objection could there be?
One can only really say: I don't care.
Whilst they are just adverts, which no-one really likes and wants to watch anyone, the problem is they contribute to a view in which some whites may feel unrepresented and unvalued, and to a climate where immigration is perceived to be massively higher than it actually is, both of which could have real world political effects - including both poor policy and polarisation.
So, the sensible course isn’t to just go for the cheap and easy applause with "Yawn. Who gives a fuck?" but to be brave enough to, yes, challenge overreach whilst also arguing for proper representation and inclusion at the same time.
This stuff shouldn't be hard.
And non of it is done with malice, or harmful intent, it’s just advertisers doing their job.
And there is no way to change it, nor should we try. But it is noticeable.0 -
Good match that. Both those teams are genuine contenders imo. Lineker's trousers were also fine. That problem seems to have been addressed. We can lose to Wales and still top the group btw - not sure if this is generally appreciated.1
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What happened? I'm too tired to look it up at the moment.AugustusCarp2 said:By the way, if anyone wants to get annoyed (or even informed!) about the problems of museum curation, have a look at the controversy in 1989 at the Royal Ontario Museum.
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WHITE PRIDE
Savour it0 -
If being woke means avoiding sleepless nights agonising about the (alleged) over-representation of (some) minority ethnic groups on TV commercials, and then posting about my deep concerns on an internet blog, then I think I'll choose woke.3
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I am drinking a 2017 Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet and it is DISGUSTING. Thin, feeble, one dimensional, meagre, acidic, nasty. Tastes like it cost £3 from Aldi. Why is so much Bordeaux hideously overpriced?
Vivino tells me this bottle is worth £50. Insane0 -
Market forces in operation.turbotubbs said:
I bring it up because it is so noticeable. It’s as if all advertisers have come to the same cunning wheeze at the same time - all families are mixed race so you hit as much of the target audience as possible. And by doing so they no longer represent the U.K. population, at least the vast majority, who don’t live in mixed race couples. And as casino says, it leads to people thinking the U.K. is far less white than it is, which adds to fears about immigration.Benpointer said:
Like @Anabobazina, I fail to understand why anyone gets the slightest bit exercised by this. Why does it matter in the slightest?Casino_Royale said:
Well, comments like this are sort of the point, aren't they? As are the dumb "likes" they garner.Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.
There is no level of overrepresentation that would garner any criticism because it risks making the person making them look like a secret racist, so why not turn it up to 100%?
What possible (legitimate) objection could there be?
One can only really say: I don't care.
Whilst they are just adverts, which no-one really likes and wants to watch anyone, the problem is they contribute to a view in which some whites may feel unrepresented and unvalued, and to a climate where immigration is perceived to be massively higher than it actually is, both of which could have real world political effects - including both poor policy and polarisation.
So, the sensible course isn’t to just go for the cheap and easy applause with "Yawn. Who gives a fuck?" but to be brave enough to, yes, challenge overreach whilst also arguing for proper representation and inclusion at the same time.
This stuff shouldn't be hard.
And non of it is done with malice, or harmful intent, it’s just advertisers doing their job.
And there is no way to change it, nor should we try. But it is noticeable.0 -
I amazed that anyone cares that much whether the bloke in the Morrisons ad has a Chinese dad or whateverCasino_Royale said:
Well, comments like this are sort of the point, aren't they? As are the dumb "likes" they garner.Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.
There is no level of overrepresentation that would garner any criticism because it risks making the person making them look like a secret racist, so why not turn it up to 100%?
What possible (legitimate) objection could there be?
One can only really say: I don't care.
Whilst they are just adverts, which no-one really likes and wants to watch anyone, the problem is they contribute to a view in which some whites may feel unrepresented and unvalued, and to a climate where immigration is perceived to be massively higher than it actually is, both of which
could have real world political effects - including both poor policy and polarisation.
So, the sensible course isn’t to just go for the
cheap and easy applause with "Yawn. Who gives a fuck?" but to be brave enough to, yes, challenge overreach whilst also arguing for proper representation and inclusion at the same time.
This stuff shouldn't be hard.
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If you asked me the colour of the dad, mum, daughter and son in any of the supermarket ads I’d have no fucking idea. Does anyone care, beyond the weird obsessive realms of PB? Does anyone even watch adverts anymore?turbotubbs said:Benpointer said:
Like @Anabobazina, I fail to understand why anyone gets the slightest bit exercised by this. Why does it matter in the slightest?Casino_Royale said:
Well, comments like this are sort of the point, aren't they? As are the dumb "likes" they garner.Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.
There is no level of overrepresentation that would garner any criticism because it risks making the person making them look like a secret racist, so why not turn it up to 100%?
What possible (legitimate) objection could there be?
One can only really say: I don't care.
Whilst they are just adverts, which no-one really likes and wants to watch anyone, the problem is they contribute to a view in which some whites may feel unrepresented and unvalued, and to a climate where immigration is perceived to be massively higher than it actually is, both of which could have real world political effects - including both poor policy and polarisation.
So, the sensible course isn’t to just go for the cheap and easy applause with "Yawn. Who gives a fuck?" but to be brave enough to, yes, challenge overreach whilst also arguing for proper representation and inclusion at the same time.
This stuff shouldn't be hard.
I bring it up because it is so noticeable. It’s as if
all advertisers have come to the same cunning wheeze at the same time - all families are mixed race so you hit as much of the target audience as possible. And by doing so they no longer represent the U.K. population, at least the vast majority, who don’t live in mixed race couples. And as casino says, it leads to people thinking the U.K. is far less white than it is, which adds to fears about immigration.
And non of it is done with malice, or harmful intent, it’s just advertisers doing their job.
And there is no way to change it, nor should we try. But it is noticeable.2 -
What's the best inexpensive wine?Leon said:I am drinking a 2017 Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet and it is DISGUSTING. Thin, feeble, one dimensional, meagre, acidic, nasty. Tastes like it cost £3 from Aldi. Why is so much Bordeaux hideously overpriced?
Vivino tells me this bottle is worth £50. Insane0 -
Looks like our follower, @EP_Lawrence, a BBC camera operator, has been arrested by the Chinese police for filming today’s protest in Shanghai. The situation in China is becoming increasingly tense.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/15969773263690424330 -
Right now? For reds probably Argentinian or Balkan (Greek, Macedonian, Moldovan, etc)Andy_JS said:
What's the best inexpensive wine?Leon said:I am drinking a 2017 Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet and it is DISGUSTING. Thin, feeble, one dimensional, meagre, acidic, nasty. Tastes like it cost £3 from Aldi. Why is so much Bordeaux hideously overpriced?
Vivino tells me this bottle is worth £50. Insane
For whites I'd go Portuguese, Greek, Italian. Be counter-intuitive
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It starts from the simple premise held in ad agencies (london centric, very woke): You can't make an ad with just white people in it any more because we're a multicultural society.Benpointer said:
Market forces in operation.turbotubbs said:
I bring it up because it is so noticeable. It’s as if all advertisers have come to the same cunning wheeze at the same time - all families are mixed race so you hit as much of the target audience as possible. And by doing so they no longer represent the U.K. population, at least the vast majority, who don’t live in mixed race couples. And as casino says, it leads to people thinking the U.K. is far less white than it is, which adds to fears about immigration.Benpointer said:
Like @Anabobazina, I fail to understand why anyone gets the slightest bit exercised by this. Why does it matter in the slightest?Casino_Royale said:
Well, comments like this are sort of the point, aren't they? As are the dumb "likes" they garner.Anabobazina said:
Would love to see Spain go outMarqueeMark said:Whole raft of outcomes in this group now.
Including Spain losing to Japan, Germany winning big - and Spain going home.
lol.
Yawn. Who gives a fuck?Casino_Royale said:turbotubbs said:
Maybe, but I think it’s more that they are trying to advertise to all in the nation (rightly - maximise your market), and have hit on the wheeze that every family shall be mixed race. Perhaps it’s more noticeable to me in leafy Wiltshire than metroplolitan Britain? *Casino_Royale said:
I wonder if that's because there's such a split between the demographics in metropolitan and non-metropolitan Britain?turbotubbs said:
Would not think that looking at TV adverts…Cyclefree said:
I make no comment on the statement itself.DJ41 said:
Kinda wondering what site I bother coming to where contemptible racist statements such as "We are a white country" stay up.Leon said:
Yes, it is an agenda to close every single museum (and university, and art gallery, etc). Or turn them into conversation spaces for Black poets to express their angstGardenwalker said:
That placard reads like a parody, like something from Private Eye.Leon said:
I quite like the irony of an archaeologist saying "time's up"williamglenn said:
Naturally the man who wants to dismantle white infrastructure is a fellow of an Oxford college, and white:FrankBooth said:
I have to admit that made me laugh.Leon said:The Wellcome gets worse
“Taken by a friend at the Wellcome Collection. This is real.”
https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1596880839711002630?s=46&t=OTxOvpdbAL3PiHIc5HsPrA
It’s quite open now. They want to tear down our culture and history. They admit it
It's funny that for all the hostility to privileged cis white men throughout history they seem to make an exception for Karl Marx. Or just Marx if you prefer.
Yep, "time's up, who needs all this old shit?"
Every sentence is a keeper.
If Wellcome think that the very idea of museums is exploitatively “re-centering the white cis-male body” they shouldn’t stop at one collection but simply close the doors full stop.
Imagine being working class - both repulsed and intrigued by Bentham’s skin, naturally - and hoping to learn more about Bentham and how his skin got there.
You’d come way shrugging, wondering why you wasted your bus fare.
We are a white country, with a white history, and the white elite hates us for that
It is genuinely quite bleak and depressing. And STILL there will be PB-ers claiming Woke is a bogeyman invented by the Right
As a factual matter the figures from the Office of National Statistics are as follows:-
Ethnic Group Population Percentage
White 55,010,359 87.1%
Asian or Asian British 4,373,339 6.9%
Black or Black British 1,904,684 3.0%
Mixed / Multiple ethnic groups 1,250,229 2.0%
Other ethnic group 580,374 0.9%
Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 63,193 0.1%
I know the Houses of Parliament received a report from a consultancy that argued that its staff (both Commons and Lords) should be representative of the demographics in London in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Maybe MSM broadcasting studios take a similar approach?
*I don’t really care about this, it’s just an observation.
It's certainly the case that mixed race families are
hugely overrepresented.
I think any sort of overreach is a mistake, as it
happens, as it risks a backlash to what it's trying to promote.
There is no level of overrepresentation that would garner any criticism because it risks making the person making them look like a secret racist, so why not turn it up to 100%?
What possible (legitimate) objection could there be?
One can only really say: I don't care.
Whilst they are just adverts, which no-one really likes and wants to watch anyone, the problem is they contribute to a view in which some whites may feel unrepresented and unvalued, and to a climate where immigration is perceived to be massively higher than it actually is, both of which could have real world political effects - including both poor policy and polarisation.
So, the sensible course isn’t to just go for the cheap and easy applause with "Yawn. Who gives a fuck?" but to be brave enough to, yes, challenge overreach whilst also arguing for proper representation and inclusion at the same time.
This stuff shouldn't be hard.
And non of it is done with malice, or harmful intent, it’s just advertisers doing their job.
And there is no way to change it, nor should we try. But it is noticeable.
OK, so that's your premise. The problem is you usually only have two or three "main characters" in an ad (and more often than not, they're a family). Because of the ad agency's premise (you can't have an ad with just white people in it), that means one of your two or three characters must be an ethnic minority - and usually, given that most ads feature families, at least one member of the family will be non-white.
Hence the over-representation. If the number of ethnic minorities in ads cannot be zero (because of the premise, above), then it must be at least 33% given a 30 second ad will generally not allow more than two or three main characters (extras don't count).
It's not a conspiracy, it's simple numbers. If there were 100 people every ad, then 1 in 10 of them could be a minority. But there are 2 or 3 people in an ad, and if you believe that ads with only white people aren't "multicultural" enough then you inevitably end up with over-representation due to the low numbers of main characters in ads.3 -
Vivino is lying, not for the first time. The Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet 2019 (a much better year) is £20 from Waitrose.Leon said:I am drinking a 2017 Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet and it is DISGUSTING. Thin, feeble, one dimensional, meagre, acidic, nasty. Tastes like it cost £3 from Aldi. Why is so much Bordeaux hideously overpriced?
Vivino tells me this bottle is worth £50. Insane
https://www.waitrosecellar.com/red-wine/chateau-la-croix-de-marbuzet0 -
But that isn't 2017Benpointer said:
Vivino is lying, not for the first time. The Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet 2019 (a much better year) is £20 from Waitrose.Leon said:I am drinking a 2017 Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet and it is DISGUSTING. Thin, feeble, one dimensional, meagre, acidic, nasty. Tastes like it cost £3 from Aldi. Why is so much Bordeaux hideously overpriced?
Vivino tells me this bottle is worth £50. Insane
https://www.waitrosecellar.com/red-wine/chateau-la-croix-de-marbuzet0 -
Matt finishes 3rd - despite being 2nd favourite as vote was announced.1
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After Brussels, violence also erupted in Antwerp, and in the Netherlands, Amsterdam, The Hague and Rotterdam.0
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£21 hereFrancisUrquhart said:
But that isn't 2017Benpointer said:
Vivino is lying, not for the first time. The Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet 2019 (a much better year) is £20 from Waitrose.Leon said:I am drinking a 2017 Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet and it is DISGUSTING. Thin, feeble, one dimensional, meagre, acidic, nasty. Tastes like it cost £3 from Aldi. Why is so much Bordeaux hideously overpriced?
Vivino tells me this bottle is worth £50. Insane
https://www.waitrosecellar.com/red-wine/chateau-la-croix-de-marbuzet
https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/la+croix+marbuzet+st+estephe+medoc+bordeaux+france/2017/uk
But tbf there's not much 2017 for sale. Probably just as well.0 -
Like the Tories in GE24?MikeL said:Matt finishes 3rd - despite being 2nd favourite as vote was announced.
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There ya go. TitBenpointer said:
Vivino is lying, not for the first time. The Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet 2019 (a much better year) is £20 from Waitrose.Leon said:I am drinking a 2017 Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet and it is DISGUSTING. Thin, feeble, one dimensional, meagre, acidic, nasty. Tastes like it cost £3 from Aldi. Why is so much Bordeaux hideously overpriced?
Vivino tells me this bottle is worth £50. Insane
https://www.waitrosecellar.com/red-wine/chateau-la-croix-de-marbuzet
https://www.vivino.com/GB/en/marbuzet-saint-estephe/w/1370641?year=20170 -
Cripes.FrancisUrquhart said:After Brussels, violence also erupted in Antwerp, and in the Netherlands, Amsterdam, The Hague and Rotterdam.
We wouldn't want such football related misbehaviour to spread here.4 -
"Legendary comedian George Carlin perfectly nailed the fraud of political correctness 32 years ago"
https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1596707921412300801
The punch line is well...very punchy.1 -
A rule-of-thumb in Swedish ice hockey is that, assuming you start about age 5 or 6, you need to ice skate approximately 10,000 hours to achieve excellence, 8,000 hours to be reasonably good, or 4,000 hours to be an average/mediocre player.dixiedean said:My youngest made his university ice hockey debut last night. They lost 22-0.
I wasn't surprised, as, when he went down in September, I wasn't aware of him ever having been skating.
This rule is frequently challenged, however zero skating hours is gonna be a problem.2 -
Perish the thoughtdixiedean said:
Cripes.FrancisUrquhart said:After Brussels, violence also erupted in Antwerp, and in the Netherlands, Amsterdam, The Hague and Rotterdam.
We wouldn't want such football related misbehaviour to spread here.
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It’s an English disease, don’t ya know?dixiedean said:
Cripes.FrancisUrquhart said:After Brussels, violence also erupted in Antwerp, and in the Netherlands, Amsterdam, The Hague and Rotterdam.
We wouldn't want such football related misbehaviour to spread here.0 -
You're believing Vivino. With no supporting evidence. Who's the tit?Leon said:
There ya go. TitBenpointer said:
Vivino is lying, not for the first time. The Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet 2019 (a much better year) is £20 from Waitrose.Leon said:I am drinking a 2017 Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet and it is DISGUSTING. Thin, feeble, one dimensional, meagre, acidic, nasty. Tastes like it cost £3 from Aldi. Why is so much Bordeaux hideously overpriced?
Vivino tells me this bottle is worth £50. Insane
https://www.waitrosecellar.com/red-wine/chateau-la-croix-de-marbuzet
https://www.vivino.com/GB/en/marbuzet-saint-estephe/w/1370641?year=2017
It's £15 a bottle here:
https://www.weinprestige.de/shop/Château-La-Croix-de-Marbuzet-2017-AOC-Saint-Estephe-p1875190740 -
Tomorrow on PB:
Too many pretty girls and ethnic minority males on the TV World Cup coverage will spark ALL OUT CULTURE WAR1 -
Brussels Sprouts violence elsewhere?FrancisUrquhart said:After Brussels, violence also erupted in Antwerp, and in the Netherlands, Amsterdam, The Hague and Rotterdam.
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Due to the backlash from Chinese fans seeing unmasked crowds in Qatar, Chinese TV is now replacing live crowds shots during games and instead cutting to close-ups of players and coaches.
https://twitter.com/DreyerChina/status/15967217488246415360 -
"The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted the spoons."Cyclefree said:I am - provocatively - going to bring today's two threads together.
Missionaries going to Africa to bring Christianity and medicine - as in that dreadful painting - is now seen as bad and of its time and not on now. Instead we have the likes of Oxfam who bring help to the poorest and those affected by natural disasters and.... er...... sexually exploit poor women.
As here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56670162 - some 3 years after the previous scandal. We have had similar stories about UN relief agencies and other NGOs - for instance, refugee children in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone were subjected to sexual abuse and exploitation, reportedly by employees of national and international NGOs, UNHCR and other UN bodies. Even Save The Children was subject to sexual abuse allegations against its employees.
It's almost as if people with power will abuse it, sexual predators will abuse every opportunity they can find and doing good works does not stop people behaving like total arseholes - whether in the 19th century or now.
I doubt if African Christians, who tend to be pretty keen Christians, object to the work of missionaries.
Perhaps their voices should be heard.
"The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted the spoons."0 -
They've got the wind up.Northern_Al said:
Brussels Sprouts violence elsewhere?FrancisUrquhart said:After Brussels, violence also erupted in Antwerp, and in the Netherlands, Amsterdam, The Hague and Rotterdam.
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Can we at least charge them the congestion charge.....because they are causing plenty of it.
Just Stop Oil activists are planning to launch a campaign of Christmas chaos on Monday by targeting roads across central London, police have warned.
Protesters are expected to unleash a fresh wave of disruption which will see them blocking major roundabouts, glueing themselves to the tarmac and marching slowly in front of traffic.
“Where activists cross the line into criminality, the Met will provide a proportionate policing response.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/27/just-stop-oil-protests-london-christmas/
That's 4 fair trade non-dairy teas, 2 with hemp milk, 2 with oat, 5 fair trade coffees..... 8 slices of vegan cake and a package of biscuits....do you need anything else during your protest?0 -
Apologies for the "tit". I got irritated by the accusation of lyingBenpointer said:
You're believing Vivino. With no supporting evidence. Who's the tit?Leon said:
There ya go. TitBenpointer said:
Vivino is lying, not for the first time. The Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet 2019 (a much better year) is £20 from Waitrose.Leon said:I am drinking a 2017 Chateau La Croix de Marbuzet and it is DISGUSTING. Thin, feeble, one dimensional, meagre, acidic, nasty. Tastes like it cost £3 from Aldi. Why is so much Bordeaux hideously overpriced?
Vivino tells me this bottle is worth £50. Insane
https://www.waitrosecellar.com/red-wine/chateau-la-croix-de-marbuzet
https://www.vivino.com/GB/en/marbuzet-saint-estephe/w/1370641?year=2017
It's £15 a bottle here:
https://www.weinprestige.de/shop/Château-La-Croix-de-Marbuzet-2017-AOC-Saint-Estephe-p187519074
TBH this wine is not worth £10, maybe not £5 - it is that bad - so the debate is silly. Bordeaux remains ridiculously overpriced at a time when many many regions around the world have learned the knack of knocking out fantastic wine - including England1 -
Sometimes it's like a glorified Neighbourhood Watch scheme on here.
Busybodies peering out of their net curtains in their expensive houses, on the look out for wokeness, violent foreigners, disgraceful TV ads with minorities in them, grubby eco-terrorists, and all other manner of badness. And then reporting them to the PB community so that we can all 'tut' in disapproval. Shame.2 -
It’s a great clip - but has sod all to do with “political correctness” - more the tendency to replace plain English with tedious jargon and cliches. A longstanding lament of mind on PBFrancisUrquhart said:"Legendary comedian George Carlin perfectly nailed the fraud of political correctness 32 years ago"
https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1596707921412300801
The punch line is well...very punchy.
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