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Rishi Sunak also maintains his lead on the economy amongst 2019 Conservatives those who are no longer voting Conservative:
> 43% think a Conservative government led by Sunak would be best at handling the economy
> 20% said a Johnson government would be
> 26% said neither https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1584181435547910145/photo/11 -
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Today Rishi Sunak has increased his lead over Boris Johnson as the public preference to be next PM.
> 45% now prefer Sunak (+1)
> 27% now prefer Johnson (-4)
Changes since 20-21st October. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1584181417570770944/photo/12 -
It must be galling, knowing that HY will always have that over you.OldKingCole said:
I don't vote Conservative.HYUFD said:
Would you, then why were only 14 or 19% of voters backing a Truss led Tories in polls early last week, compared to 34-36% who would still vote for a Boris led Tories in this weekend's hypothetical polls?OldKingCole said:
Even if you didn't 'approve' of the party leader you would still vote Conservative.HYUFD said:
Trump's final approval rating as President was 34% and his average approval rating was 41%, he still got 47% in the 2020 election. Even some of those who don't necessarily approve of him still thought he would make the best PresidentSirNorfolkPassmore said:
Johnson was getting approval ratings in the low to mid 20s by the time he left and not all of those "loved" him by any means - some people are just loyal Conservatives regardless (Truss was on about 10%).HYUFD said:This is very misleading, while 2/3 of the country may now hate Boris over 1/3 of the country still absolutely love him. He is like Trump or Bolsonaro or Berlusconi or indeed Corbyn or Melenchon, their supporters will turn out for them regardless but they also turn off the rest of the country who will also turn out to vote against them.
There is zero chance of the party falling to 10% under Boris as there was under Truss, hence hypothetical polls already put the Tories on 34-36% if Boris comes back.
So Boris likely still gets a higher Conservative voteshare than Sunak or Mordaunt would and much higher than Truss did on the positive side for him. On the negative side though he also likely sees much higher anti Tory tactical voting from LD voters in Labour target seats and Labour voters in LD target seats as he is much more marmite than Rishi or Penny are
So I don't know where you're getting your one-third love 'im stuff from.
That does contrast with Trump, who demonstrably had a low ceiling but high floor. He had net negative ratings from an early stage but the bottom never tell out as many predicted.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/328637/last-trump-job-approval-average-record-low.aspx
I've voted for all three left-ish parties at one time or another, depending on who the candidate was, what I felt about the policies they were putting forward and how likely they were to defeat the Conservative!
I would have voted for four, but I've never had the opportunity to vote Plaid Cymru!5 -
I'm beginning to think Rishi may get to the magic 258 by the time votes are cast. The MPs will want to ensure there's no chance of a fuck up this time, it's their seats and therefore jobs that are hanging in the balance. A repeat of the last few weeks will doom them all.4
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He's a liar, such a promise would not be worth a dsmn thing.GustavoFrings said:EXC: Boris Johnson is privately making clear he would keep Jeremy Hunt as chancellor if he wins the leadership.
An attempt to reassure MPs he’d do what the markets wanted. Eye-catching move towards his old rival… but unclear if Hunt would accept.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1584173388569853953
Again, not something that happens if you're looking fine for the 100.4 -
Nice pun ... completely uncappable.IanB2 said:
It must be galling, knowing that HY will always have that over you.OldKingCole said:
I don't vote Conservative.HYUFD said:
Would you, then why were only 14 or 19% of voters backing a Truss led Tories in polls early last week, compared to 34-36% who would still vote for a Boris led Tories in this weekend's hypothetical polls?OldKingCole said:
Even if you didn't 'approve' of the party leader you would still vote Conservative.HYUFD said:
Trump's final approval rating as President was 34% and his average approval rating was 41%, he still got 47% in the 2020 election. Even some of those who don't necessarily approve of him still thought he would make the best PresidentSirNorfolkPassmore said:
Johnson was getting approval ratings in the low to mid 20s by the time he left and not all of those "loved" him by any means - some people are just loyal Conservatives regardless (Truss was on about 10%).HYUFD said:This is very misleading, while 2/3 of the country may now hate Boris over 1/3 of the country still absolutely love him. He is like Trump or Bolsonaro or Berlusconi or indeed Corbyn or Melenchon, their supporters will turn out for them regardless but they also turn off the rest of the country who will also turn out to vote against them.
There is zero chance of the party falling to 10% under Boris as there was under Truss, hence hypothetical polls already put the Tories on 34-36% if Boris comes back.
So Boris likely still gets a higher Conservative voteshare than Sunak or Mordaunt would and much higher than Truss did on the positive side for him. On the negative side though he also likely sees much higher anti Tory tactical voting from LD voters in Labour target seats and Labour voters in LD target seats as he is much more marmite than Rishi or Penny are
So I don't know where you're getting your one-third love 'im stuff from.
That does contrast with Trump, who demonstrably had a low ceiling but high floor. He had net negative ratings from an early stage but the bottom never tell out as many predicted.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/328637/last-trump-job-approval-average-record-low.aspx
I've voted for all three left-ish parties at one time or another, depending on who the candidate was, what I felt about the policies they were putting forward and how likely they were to defeat the Conservative!
I would have voted for four, but I've never had the opportunity to vote Plaid Cymru!1 -
“We just have to take your word for it [that Boris Johnson has 100 backers]… Is it a bit like saying, I have got a girlfriend but you won't know her she goes to a different school?"
#Ridge
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If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
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Now then Mr/Mrs 20%. Please show me your working.Scott_xP said:Rishi Sunak also maintains his lead on the economy amongst 2019 Conservatives those who are no longer voting Conservative:
> 43% think a Conservative government led by Sunak would be best at handling the economy
> 20% said a Johnson government would be
> 26% said neither https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1584181435547910145/photo/10 -
Honby-Dublo train set for Mr HYUFD!HYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
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Why on earth should they want her to release her supporters, if the crucial thing is to prevent Boris from getting to 100?Scott_xP said:One other significant moment approaching. Rishi's team say that on their numbers they need to 4 more nominations for it to be mathematically impossible for more than two candidates to meet the threshold. At that moment huge pressure on Penny Mordaunt to release her supporters.
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I'm irrationally angry about how badly they've produced that word cloud.2
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I’m sure HMKCIII will approve:
Jeremy Hunt is poised to scrap Boris Johnson ’s “vanity” yacht in his spending cuts.
The Chancellor plans to end the ex-PM’s dream for a £250million national flagship for which the Ministry of Defence has spent nearly £2.5m on staff costs and consultants.
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If it’s confidential, none other than a few ‘22 officers really know the true numbers, anyway?Chris said:
Why on earth should they want her to release her supporters, if the crucial thing is to prevent Boris from getting to 100?Scott_xP said:One other significant moment approaching. Rishi's team say that on their numbers they need to 4 more nominations for it to be mathematically impossible for more than two candidates to meet the threshold. At that moment huge pressure on Penny Mordaunt to release her supporters.
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Another project where Johnson has forced £millions of public money to be spent looking into his idiot ideas.CarlottaVance said:I’m sure HMKCIII will approve:
Jeremy Hunt is poised to scrap Boris Johnson ’s “vanity” yacht in his spending cuts.
The Chancellor plans to end the ex-PM’s dream for a £250million national flagship for which the Ministry of Defence has spent nearly £2.5m on staff costs and consultants.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/chancellor-jeremy-hunt-plans-scrap-282994851 -
41% of Scots think Rishi would do a good job as PM to just 15% for Boris and 23% for Penny, even if most Scots still prefer Starmer as PM to Sunak.Carnyx said:
That last comment is the most backhanded comment I have ever seen about Mr Sunak. Absolutely damning with faint praise.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
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Hunt was reported on the last thread to have reached out to all contenders but only heard back from Sunak and Mordaunt, which makes this latest announcement that Boris would keep Hunt sound even more like a last throw of the dice.IanB2 said:
Which is why it should be possible for Hunt, in his calm and gentlemanly fashion, to come up with some words that put further pressure on the clown’s supporters.Casino_Royale said:
Exactly so.Morris_Dancer said:Johnson's pro-Hunt comment comes because he's fishing for support.
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CarlottaVance said:
I’m sure HMKCIII will approve:
Jeremy Hunt is poised to scrap Boris Johnson ’s “vanity” yacht in his spending cuts.
The Chancellor plans to end the ex-PM’s dream for a £250million national flagship for which the Ministry of Defence has spent nearly £2.5m on staff costs and consultants.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/chancellor-jeremy-hunt-plans-scrap-28299485
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/charles-and-william-arent-on-board-for-downing-street-royal-yacht-plan-0mq7vhl0c
Quite so.
He's said not to be into Royal Yachts, unlike his predecessor of the same name who liked to name them after his mistresses' pet name (at least one, anyway):
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Would love to know how much JRM's flawed BEIS 'poll' on Imperial measures cost.IanB2 said:
Another project where Johnson has forced £millions of public money to be spent looking into his idiot ideas.CarlottaVance said:I’m sure HMKCIII will approve:
Jeremy Hunt is poised to scrap Boris Johnson ’s “vanity” yacht in his spending cuts.
The Chancellor plans to end the ex-PM’s dream for a £250million national flagship for which the Ministry of Defence has spent nearly £2.5m on staff costs and consultants.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/chancellor-jeremy-hunt-plans-scrap-282994851 -
There’s a four letter word bottom right which describes him better, and it’s not kind. Or “kind”.HYUFD said:
'Charismatic', 'Strong', 'Capable', 'Cool', 'Human', 'Funny', 'Churchillian', 'Strong', 'Great', 'Leader' etcIanB2 said:
Which words in the pictogram did the third of respondents who apparently “absolutely love him” suggest?HYUFD said:This is very misleading, while 2/3 of the country may now hate Boris over 1/3 of the country still absolutely love him.
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As usual, you're not being explicit. That question is confined to Conservative leadership hopefuls, as presented by the polling company. Very different from a GE. Of course any sane voter in Scotland would not pick Mr Johnson.HYUFD said:
41% of Scots think Rishi would do a good job as PM to just 15% for Boris and 23% for Penny, even if most Scots still prefer Starmer as PM to Sunak.Carnyx said:
That last comment is the most backhanded comment I have ever seen about Mr Sunak. Absolutely damning with faint praise.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
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MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.3
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A lot more optimistic this afternoon that the Conservative Party MPs, and therefore the country, are pulling back from the brink of an utter disaster.
And, wow, scrolling through this thread gives you a sense of how immensely unpopular Boris Johnson is even, and especially, among Conservative voters of a sensible mind.2 -
The same one as the DD lingerie size for David Davis campaign?mwjfrome17 said:MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.
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'C*nt' was the same size as 'foot' which was surprising. Who'd think he was a foot?paulyork64 said:
also 2 Pr**ks, 2 c*nts, a knob, a dick and a twat. could be the start of Monty Python's Matching Tie and Handkerchief.Endillion said:I like how the first diagram has "untrustworthy" listed at least three times, with different capitalisations.
"Buffoon" is in there four times, but some are typos. There are probably other examples.
Shouldn't the polling company have sanitised the data before releasing the results?1 -
WTAF? Isn't that just a Sue-Ellen wish list?Scott_xP said:Suella Braverman's Telegraph article gives an insight into what to expect from a Rishi Sunak govt:
* Legislation to limit impact of Human Rights Act
* Delivering on Rwanda
* Pushing ahead with legislation to over-ride NI protocol
* A firm line on 'trans ideology' in schools
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584167642310406144
Any evidence from Sunak that those things will figure at all or will he in fact get a little distracted from those pressing priorities by the CoL crisis, energy prices and supply, Ukraine, borrowing, interest rates, etc. etc.?
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Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.OldKingCole said:
Thought it was New Zealand B!turbotubbs said:
The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…OldKingCole said:
I played union at school; it was compulsory.turbotubbs said:
I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.OldKingCole said:Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.
And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.
I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.1 -
We’re still on track for the outcome I mapped out here on FridayHeathener said:A lot more optimistic this afternoon that the Conservative Party MPs, and therefore the country, are pulling back from the brink of an utter disaster.
And, wow, scrolling through this thread gives you a sense of how immensely unpopular Boris Johnson is even, and especially, among Conservative voters of a sensible mind.2 -
"I'm up for it", attributed to him by 'Duggers' was another typically crass, egocentric, piece of Johnsonianism.mwjfrome17 said:MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.
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Second favourite in Korea too, after football.dixiedean said:
Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.OldKingCole said:
Thought it was New Zealand B!turbotubbs said:
The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…OldKingCole said:
I played union at school; it was compulsory.turbotubbs said:
I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.OldKingCole said:Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.
And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.
I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
Their cheering culture has influenced US major league fan culture.
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Even on Guido's spreadsheet Rishi Sunak has just gone 2:1 over Johnson
https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/
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Shame they don’t make the cut for the ‘World Series’ then!😀dixiedean said:
Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.OldKingCole said:
Thought it was New Zealand B!turbotubbs said:
The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…OldKingCole said:
I played union at school; it was compulsory.turbotubbs said:
I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.OldKingCole said:Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.
And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.
I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.0 -
What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZEROHYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
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English court? Surely not. Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. Last court for England, Wales, NI and Scotland.malcolmg said:
What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZEROHYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
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It was never about how far behind he was.Heathener said:Even on Guido's spreadsheet Rishi Sunak has just gone 2:1 over Johnson
https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/0 -
I doubt he promised her anything. When you’re in the lead and gathering momentum you don’t need tonico679 said:Not sure what Sunak promised Braverman but it’s bound to be something which delivers misery to someone given her nature however just seeing the fat oaf fxck off would be at least some consolation !
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Yes. There are quite a few others where it is second or third.Nigelb said:
Second favourite in Korea too, after football.dixiedean said:
Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.OldKingCole said:
Thought it was New Zealand B!turbotubbs said:
The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…OldKingCole said:
I played union at school; it was compulsory.turbotubbs said:
I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.OldKingCole said:Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.
And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.
I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.0 -
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Some surprise at the fact Penny Mordaunt is sticking in the race. But I understand the reason is:
a) She is certain Boris doesn't have 100 names
b) A number of Boris declared backers are becoming aware of that
c) She is the preferred second preference for many Boris backers
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584187567792041984
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Bad news for George Galloway.Carnyx said:
The same one as the DD lingerie size for David Davis campaign?mwjfrome17 said:MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.
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I’ve just seen Cleverly and Zahawi on Guido’s list for Boris.dixiedean said:Problem is. We tend to think he has more backing than he does.
Because those who like Boris are loud, boorish, vociferous and persistent in pontificating their ill-thought out views.
Makes you wonder what they see in him?
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maybe comparing him as equal to Michael Foot?Roger said:
'C*nt' was the same size as 'foot' which was surprising. Who'd think he was a foot?paulyork64 said:
also 2 Pr**ks, 2 c*nts, a knob, a dick and a twat. could be the start of Monty Python's Matching Tie and Handkerchief.Endillion said:I like how the first diagram has "untrustworthy" listed at least three times, with different capitalisations.
"Buffoon" is in there four times, but some are typos. There are probably other examples.
Shouldn't the polling company have sanitised the data before releasing the results?0 -
A think 'World Series' is taken from an old sponsor, an obsolete newspaper called 'The World', rather than any claim of global participation.turbotubbs said:
Shame they don’t make the cut for the ‘World Series’ then!😀dixiedean said:
Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.OldKingCole said:
Thought it was New Zealand B!turbotubbs said:
The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…OldKingCole said:
I played union at school; it was compulsory.turbotubbs said:
I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.OldKingCole said:Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.
And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.
I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.0 -
Well. They kind of do.turbotubbs said:
Shame they don’t make the cut for the ‘World Series’ then!😀dixiedean said:
Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.OldKingCole said:
Thought it was New Zealand B!turbotubbs said:
The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…OldKingCole said:
I played union at school; it was compulsory.turbotubbs said:
I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.OldKingCole said:Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.
And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.
I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
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Credit to her if she gets in, but she’ll pull out quickly tomorrow afternoon. Her gameplan isn’t to try and get the members to overturn the clear preference of MPs.Heathener said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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Some surprise at the fact Penny Mordaunt is sticking in the race. But I understand the reason is:
a) She is certain Boris doesn't have 100 names
b) A number of Boris declared backers are becoming aware of that
c) She is the preferred second preference for many Boris backers
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/15841875677920419840 -
The Supreme Court isn't an "English court". It is the final court of appeal for civil cases originating in any of the nations of he UK, and its current President, Lord Reed of Allermuir, is Scottish.malcolmg said:
What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZEROHYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
Fixed that for you.5 -
I’m sure they’ll be carefully considered and in the fullness of time at the appropriate moment put into focus groups before considering whether further consultation among concerned interest groups should merit further scrutiny.Benpointer said:
WTAF? Isn't that just a Sue-Ellen wish list?Scott_xP said:Suella Braverman's Telegraph article gives an insight into what to expect from a Rishi Sunak govt:
* Legislation to limit impact of Human Rights Act
* Delivering on Rwanda
* Pushing ahead with legislation to over-ride NI protocol
* A firm line on 'trans ideology' in schools
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584167642310406144
Any evidence from Sunak that those things will figure at all or will he in fact get a little distracted from those pressing priorities by the CoL crisis, energy prices and supply, Ukraine, borrowing, interest rates, etc. etc.?
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Yes it was though.kle4 said:
It was never about how far behind he was.Heathener said:Even on Guido's spreadsheet Rishi Sunak has just gone 2:1 over Johnson
https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/
If Rishi leads Johnson massively amongst MPs then, even if it had gone to members, it's inconceivable that he could have commanded the party in parliament. That way anarchy would have been loosed upon the country.
Liz Truss demonstrated why it's so important that Rishi wins and wins convincingly amongst his own MPs.1 -
Fake News....That is a much repeated fable.Stark_Dawning said:
A think 'World Series' is taken from an old sponsor, an obsolete newspaper called 'The World', rather than any claim of global participation.turbotubbs said:
Shame they don’t make the cut for the ‘World Series’ then!😀dixiedean said:
Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.OldKingCole said:
Thought it was New Zealand B!turbotubbs said:
The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…OldKingCole said:
I played union at school; it was compulsory.turbotubbs said:
I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.OldKingCole said:Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.
And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.
I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
The real reason behind the name is thanks to Barney Dreyfuss who was the owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates. In 1903, he wrote to the owner of the Boston Red Sox challenging them to a 'World's Championship Series'. At the time when it was first called World Series the two teams were really the best teams in the world.1 -
So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:
1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.
2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.
3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.
4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.
5) A nasty Farage vehicle.
Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..2 -
Thought it was "Dudders"? Or maybe I have that wrong. Sounds quite similar.Heathener said:
"I'm up for it", attributed to him by 'Duggers' was another typically crass, egocentric, piece of Johnsonianism.mwjfrome17 said:MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.
But which is it, Duggers or Dudders? Not massively important but we may as well get it nailed down.1 -
You'd made a far more accurate statement in your typo of "ejection" rather than "election".biggles said:So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:
1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.
2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.
3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.
4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.
5) A nasty Farage vehicle.
Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..1 -
Succinctly put - which comes first, country or party?
For me, the choice for Conservative MPs is between a leader - Rishi Sunak - who has the best chance of soothing City concerns about Tory tax and spend policies - and a leader who has the best chance of winning the next general election in two years’ time - Boris Johnson.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1584187701901021184
Although how having failed to do the first, Hope thinks Johnson can remotely do the second, I have no idea.
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Penny's team also say they're starting to receive calls from Boris backers. As always, may be spin. But it does seem cracks may be forming in Boris's support base. A number of his supporters signed up on assurance he had the 100 names. And they are starting to have doubts.
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Is it true that Johnson was making money giving a talk before putting his feet up with his wife in the Dominican Republic?0
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Haha you're right. An unintentional typo by me. Dudders it is.kinabalu said:
Thought it was "Dudders"? Or maybe I have that wrong. Sounds quite similar.Heathener said:
"I'm up for it", attributed to him by 'Duggers' was another typically crass, egocentric, piece of Johnsonianism.mwjfrome17 said:MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.
But which is it, Duggers or Dudders? Not massively important but we may as well get it nailed down.1 -
To a degree. He is going to win the MP ballot, assuming there is more than 1 candidate, but she could have been more of a wrecker or just kept quiet, whereas she went out of her way to help.StillWaters said:
I doubt he promised her anything. When you’re in the lead and gathering momentum you don’t need tonico679 said:Not sure what Sunak promised Braverman but it’s bound to be something which delivers misery to someone given her nature however just seeing the fat oaf fxck off would be at least some consolation !
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If Johnson is serious about returning, he's probably hoping he can repeat the same trick as in the run up to the 2019 election when people like Amber Rudd left the party.Heathener said:
Yes it was though.kle4 said:
It was never about how far behind he was.Heathener said:Even on Guido's spreadsheet Rishi Sunak has just gone 2:1 over Johnson
https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/
If Rishi leads Johnson massively amongst MPs then, even if it had gone to members, it's inconceivable that he could have commanded the party in parliament. That way anarchy would have been loosed upon the country.
Liz Truss demonstrated why it's so important that Rishi wins and wins convincingly amongst his own MPs.0 -
I did think about leaving it. Next time looks like a spoilt ballot.solarflare said:
You'd made a far more accurate statement in your typo of "ejection" rather than "election".biggles said:So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:
1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.
2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.
3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.
4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.
5) A nasty Farage vehicle.
Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..
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Would Penny want to be the one who helps facilitate the clown destroying the Tory party ?0
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So if Bring Back Boris campaign crashes and burns, do we think Boris will swiftly stand down as an MP? Otherwise he is going to be left to lose his seat in a couple of years and we know how much he hates to appear to be a loser. And why would Sunak do him a solid and give him a new safe seat?0
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It hasn't entirely sunk in yet, but the government are going to spend the next two years doing what the Chancellor tells them that the bond markets will let them do.CarlottaVance said:
I’m sure they’ll be carefully considered and in the fullness of time at the appropriate moment put into focus groups before considering whether further consultation among concerned interest groups should merit further scrutiny.Benpointer said:
WTAF? Isn't that just a Sue-Ellen wish list?Scott_xP said:Suella Braverman's Telegraph article gives an insight into what to expect from a Rishi Sunak govt:
* Legislation to limit impact of Human Rights Act
* Delivering on Rwanda
* Pushing ahead with legislation to over-ride NI protocol
* A firm line on 'trans ideology' in schools
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584167642310406144
Any evidence from Sunak that those things will figure at all or will he in fact get a little distracted from those pressing priorities by the CoL crisis, energy prices and supply, Ukraine, borrowing, interest rates, etc. etc.?
Luxuries like Royal Yachts and trade wars with the EU simply aren't going to be affordable.2 -
The Liberals have now abandoned rejoin for closer realignment and Davey is on the classical liberal Orange Book wing more than the SDP wingbiggles said:So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:
1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.
2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.
3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.
4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.
5) A nasty Farage vehicle.
Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..1 -
Is the Lettuce not standing anyone in your constituency?biggles said:So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:
1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.
2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.
3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.
4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.
5) A nasty Farage vehicle.
Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..0 -
I can't think of a more repulsive recent politician than Johnson. Possibly Trump but even that's a close run thing.1
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I don't think she withdraws till Johnson says he's not standing.Scott_xP said:One other significant moment approaching. Rishi's team say that on their numbers they need to 4 more nominations for it to be mathematically impossible for more than two candidates to meet the threshold. At that moment huge pressure on Penny Mordaunt to release her supporters.
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It is an English court , fudged to do down our legal system. Court of Session was and still should be the highest court in Scotland.turbotubbs said:
English court? Surely not. Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. Last court for England, Wales, NI and Scotland.malcolmg said:
What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZEROHYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
Fixed that for you.
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Truss could have done ok with MPs had she not tanked the economy without faking them. By her election most backed her.Heathener said:
Yes it was though.kle4 said:
It was never about how far behind he was.Heathener said:Even on Guido's spreadsheet Rishi Sunak has just gone 2:1 over Johnson
https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/
If Rishi leads Johnson massively amongst MPs then, even if it had gone to members, it's inconceivable that he could have commanded the party in parliament. That way anarchy would have been loosed upon the country.
Liz Truss demonstrated why it's so important that Rishi wins and wins convincingly amongst his own MPs.
But the point was he could be miles ahead and do only one able to govern but that would not matter to to the members if a second candidate is available, and if
they like that person better. Itd be silly, but
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That's kind of you, but even though hopefully the party is going back towards some semblance of embracing sound public finances again, I don't think I'll be returning, or even voting Conservative, until the madness is fully expurgated. That would include things like::Casino_Royale said:
And, would we get you back Richard?Richard_Nabavi said:Looking on the optimistic side, it's now looking quite likely that Sunak becomes leader on Monday. Relief from the financial markets. Sunak to the palace Monday afternoon. I think he's well prepared, so cabinet appointments Monday evening. Calls first cabinet meeting Tuesday morning, at which Ben Wallace briefs ministers on Ukraine, and Hunt tells them the extent of the bad financial news. Sunak and Hunt then have almost a week to finesse the details of the 31st Oct financial statement and agree on the political presentation of it.
We might, just might, be getting to a situation where things can be stabilised amidst a return to sane government. Lots and lots of pitfalls, as well as pain, remain, of course, but maybe my piece of Friday was too pessimistic. Fingers crossed.
We miss you. Please come back.
- Nutjobs like JRM, Braverman etc consigned to the outer fringes or preferably gone altogether
- Boris gone completely, not hanging around destabilising things, and, even more important, the whole party accepting he was a disaster, and facing up to why they deliberately and knowingly went for that disaster
- A return to business-friendly, reality-based policies, including abandoning Brexit-purity lunacies such as reneging on the NIP and insisting on our own hugely expensive and damaging little-England regulatory regimes just for the sake of it
- A return to good relations with our EU friends, and moving towards dismantling the enormous heap of red tape they have created
- Abandonment of fantasy policies on immigration, such as the Rwanda lunacy
- Policies on welfare and healthcare which reflect the scale of the problems ordinary people face
I'd also like to see some serious evidence that the party is going back to its traditional respect for our public institutions and for integrity in public life,. Rishi's statement today was very encouraging in that respect, but we'll have to see if the party as a whole has changed.
Of course if Labour were to go all Corbynesque again, I might vote Conservative, but at the moment there's no need to, given that Labour, for all their many faults, are preferable on almost every measure except identity politics and possibly defence.12 -
Its salad days are over.paulyork64 said:
Is the Lettuce not standing anyone in your constituency?biggles said:So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:
1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.
2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.
3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.
4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.
5) A nasty Farage vehicle.
Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..1 -
If BritNats spent a fraction of the time they spend copying and pasting gobbledygook on thinking about how to make the Union less unpopular to Scottish voters then they might be in with a shout of saving it.HYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
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Understandable but incorrect.biggles said:So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:
1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.
2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.
3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.
4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.
5) A nasty Farage vehicle.
Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..
1) You can't be focussed only on the needs of the wealthiest and also spend about £400 bn a year on the pensions, benefits, and NHS all of which the wealthiest don't need or use.
2) It is clear that Labour, while being quiet about details, has its place firmly in the only available Overton window - in tough times we try to repair the damage, construct sound finances, look after the needy and vulnerable and support job creating private enterprise.
It is quiet about details because the only available Overton window position that doesn't destroy the country (ask Truss) is quite tough.
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Oh, I dunno. The English government has not been working in England’s favour for many years now. English voters have only recently noticed.malcolmg said:
What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZEROHYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
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Your mind making it so doesnt mean it is so.malcolmg said:
It is an English court , fudged to do down our legal system. Court of Session was and still should be the highest court in Scotland.turbotubbs said:
English court? Surely not. Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. Last court for England, Wales, NI and Scotland.malcolmg said:
What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZEROHYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
Fixed that for you.
4 out of the 5 judges in this case are English , and in my mind a kangaroo court.
The case looks like a very technical legal dispute, hinging on precise definitions and procedural steps - yes the politics behind it all is bitter but i doubt sleep will be lost if they say 'this is not for us right now'.0 -
Clown? Buffoon?IanB2 said:
Which words in the pictogram did the third of respondents who apparently “absolutely love him” put forward?HYUFD said:This is very misleading, while 2/3 of the country may now hate Boris over 1/3 of the country still absolutely love him.
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I know, but I still find it annoying/amusing in equal proportion.Stark_Dawning said:
A think 'World Series' is taken from an old sponsor, an obsolete newspaper called 'The World', rather than any claim of global participation.turbotubbs said:
Shame they don’t make the cut for the ‘World Series’ then!😀dixiedean said:
Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.OldKingCole said:
Thought it was New Zealand B!turbotubbs said:
The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…OldKingCole said:
I played union at school; it was compulsory.turbotubbs said:
I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.OldKingCole said:Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.
And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.
I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.0 -
I'm told there is also one other major thing that Boris's declared supporters are becoming increasingly nervous about. The fact he hasn't declared yet. They're starting to worry he will pull out, and leave them high and dry.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584190582175326209
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Hodges just types things, I think. Hopes for an occasional 'hit' by the law of randomness.Heathener said:(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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Penny's team also say they're starting to receive calls from Boris backers. As always, may be spin. But it does seem cracks may be forming in Boris's support base. A number of his supporters signed up on assurance he had the 100 names. And they are starting to have doubts.0 -
NEW: Boris Johnson & Penny Mordaunt spoke on the phone this afternoon
Mordaunt rejected his request to back him, saying most of her supporters would rather switch to Sunak than him
She also told him that some of his supporters had switched to backing her https://bit.ly/3MZGnFn2 -
No lettuces standing but plenty of iceberg for the government.Nigelb said:
Its salad days are over.paulyork64 said:
Is the Lettuce not standing anyone in your constituency?biggles said:So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:
1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.
2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.
3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.
4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.
5) A nasty Farage vehicle.
Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..0 -
They obviously have very short memories if they are going to be surprised by that.Scott_xP said:I'm told there is also one other major thing that Boris's declared supporters are becoming increasingly nervous about. The fact he hasn't declared yet. They're starting to worry he will pull out, and leave them high and dry.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584190582175326209
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Classic Boris....Scott_xP said:I'm told there is also one other major thing that Boris's declared supporters are becoming increasingly nervous about. The fact he hasn't declared yet. They're starting to worry he will pull out, and leave them high and dry.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584190582175326209
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They both sound as though they have walked out of the pages of PG Wodehouse.kinabalu said:
Thought it was "Dudders"? Or maybe I have that wrong. Sounds quite similar.Heathener said:
"I'm up for it", attributed to him by 'Duggers' was another typically crass, egocentric, piece of Johnsonianism.mwjfrome17 said:MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.
But which is it, Duggers or Dudders? Not massively important but we may as well get it nailed down.
I see Old Dudders as Hon. Sec. at the Drones Club, perhaps charged with ensuring Barmy Fotheringay-Phipps & Co do not misuse the Drones Club snooker cues.
Whereas I see Duggers as one of the boon companions, famous for hanging the chef from the Drones Club Magnolia bush after an unsatisfactory steak and kidney pie was served up for his luncheon.0 -
Doesn't sound like the act of a winner with 100 names...
🔴 Penny Mordaunt has rejected Boris Johnson’s attempt to get her to drop out of the Tory leadership race and back him during a phone call, The Telegraph can reveal
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/23/penny-mordaunt-tells-boris-johnson-wont-drop-back-tory-leadership/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1666535928-22 -
Why isn't this bigger news?
"Salman Rushdie has lost sight in one eye and use of one hand, says agent
Full extent of injuries from ‘brutal attack’ on Satanic Verses author in New York state in August revealed"
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/oct/23/salman-rushdie-has-lost-sight-in-one-eye-and-use-of-one-hand-says-agent2 -
One of your best ever posts @ ScottScott_xP said:NEW: Boris Johnson & Penny Mordaunt spoke on the phone this afternoon
Mordaunt rejected his request to back him, saying most of her supporters would rather switch to Sunak than him
She also told him that some of his supporters had switched to backing her https://bit.ly/3MZGnFn0 -
Warning of the hard border between England and Scotland, rising cost of living, the loss of sterling as the currency etc as we Unionists do is most likely to turn Yes voters to No and shore up the No voteStuartDickson said:
If BritNats spent a fraction of the time they spend copying and pasting gobbledygook on thinking about how to make the Union less unpopular to Scottish voters then they might be in with a shout of saving it.HYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
Fixed that for you.
However with multiple Unionist parties having multiple Nationalist parties under FPTP too evens things up
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/10/21/what-would-make-scots-change-their-mind-about-inde0 -
Rubbish, it is a Westminster colonial stitch up. A token toom tabard makes no difference. Court of Session is the real highest court in Scotland and will be again when we are not a colony. Just need confirmation from the English SC that we are indeed a colony and can only do what England allows.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
The Supreme Court isn't an "English court". It is the final court of appeal for civil cases originating in any of the nations of he UK, and its current President, Lord Reed of Allermuir, is Scottish.malcolmg said:
What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZEROHYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
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I so hope that is true.Scott_xP said:NEW: Boris Johnson & Penny Mordaunt spoke on the phone this afternoon
Mordaunt rejected his request to back him, saying most of her supporters would rather switch to Sunak than him
She also told him that some of his supporters had switched to backing her https://bit.ly/3MZGnFn3 -
The dream scenario for Labour is surely for Boris Johnson to scrape through with MPs, win with members & be leading a deeply divided Conservative Party. That's all quite apart from Johnson's record.https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1584192944394752000
Looks increasingly likely MPs are going to deliver the coup de grace1 -
Boris Johnson has told colleagues that neither Penny Mordaunt nor Rishi Sunak are prepared to do a deal
He's reached out to both
During their call Mordaunt suggested that *he* should drop out rather than her as she is the second preference for most of his supporters
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/15841924889562521613 -
An old school Liberal Party still around tooHYUFD said:
The Liberals have now abandoned rejoin for closer realignment and Davey is on the classical liberal Orange Book wing more than the SDP wingbiggles said:So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:
1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.
2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.
3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.
4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.
5) A nasty Farage vehicle.
Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..
https://liberal.org.uk/
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If the plan was for Truss to win and Johnson to ride to the rescue then the only flaw was that it worked too well.
Six months time and I reckon he'd have won.1 -
The boat in that picture looks little more than a gussied up cross channel ferry. Not sure how that's £250m. Can't help thinking vast amounts spent and little to show is what you get when the MOD gets involved.Dura_Ace said:0 -
I dont think there will be a hard border between England and Wales.HYUFD said:
Warning of the hard border between England and Wales, rising cost of living, the loss of sterling as the currency etc as we Unionists do is not likely to turn Yes voters to No and shore up the No voteStuartDickson said:
If BritNats spent a fraction of the time they spend copying and pasting gobbledygook on thinking about how to make the Union less unpopular to Scottish voters then they might be in with a shout of saving it.HYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
Fixed that for you.
However with multiple Unionist parties having multiple Nationalist parties under FPTP too evens things up
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/10/21/what-would-make-scots-change-their-mind-about-inde0 -
It is a treaty of union , so either party can leave, if not then Scotland is a colony, pretty simple.kle4 said:
Your mind making it so doesnt mean it is so.malcolmg said:
It is an English court , fudged to do down our legal system. Court of Session was and still should be the highest court in Scotland.turbotubbs said:
English court? Surely not. Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. Last court for England, Wales, NI and Scotland.malcolmg said:
What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZEROHYUFD said:
If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seatsStuartDickson said:
SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.HYUFD said:
SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.StuartDickson said:Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll
Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.
The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.
A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.
Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.
The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673
Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.
Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.
Fixed that for you.
4 out of the 5 judges in this case are English , and in my mind a kangaroo court.
The case looks like a very technical legal dispute, hinging on precise definitions and procedural steps - yes the politics behind it all is bitter but i doubt sleep will be lost if they say 'this is not for us right now'.0 -
Longer than that needed...I think the plan was he gets his knuckles wrapped early next year over lying about parties...he does his naughty step time (while earning millions)....answers the call to save the world 2024.dixiedean said:If the plan was for Truss to win and Johnson to ride to the rescue then the only flaw was that it worked too well.
Six months time and I reckon he'd have won.0 -
That's probably right. Sunak still had enough momentum from the previous race to become the default choice.dixiedean said:If the plan was for Truss to win and Johnson to ride to the rescue then the only flaw was that it worked too well.
Six months time and I reckon he'd have won.1 -
I actually think this is over and we can stop talking about him now. Which tbh is absolutely the best way to handle the post-PM Boris Johnson.1
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Oh poor thing ! Sounds all very desperate . The only deal he’s interested in is the one where he’s PM .Scott_xP said:Boris Johnson has told colleagues that neither Penny Mordaunt nor Rishi Sunak are prepared to do a deal
He's reached out to both
During their call Mordaunt suggested that *he* should drop out rather than her as she is the second preference for most of his supporters
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/15841924889562521610
