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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Rishi Sunak also maintains his lead on the economy amongst 2019 Conservatives those who are no longer voting Conservative:

    > 43% think a Conservative government led by Sunak would be best at handling the economy
    > 20% said a Johnson government would be
    > 26% said neither https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1584181435547910145/photo/1
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    dixiedean said:

    Problem is. We tend to think he has more backing than he does.
    Because those who like Boris are loud, boorish, vociferous and persistent in pontificating their ill-thought out views.
    Makes you wonder what they see in him?

    True, but he only needs 30-40 quiter ones.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    🚨SNAP POLLING🚨
    Today Rishi Sunak has increased his lead over Boris Johnson as the public preference to be next PM.

    > 45% now prefer Sunak (+1)
    > 27% now prefer Johnson (-4)

    Changes since 20-21st October. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1584181417570770944/photo/1
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829
    I'm beginning to think Rishi may get to the magic 258 by the time votes are cast. The MPs will want to ensure there's no chance of a fuck up this time, it's their seats and therefore jobs that are hanging in the balance. A repeat of the last few weeks will doom them all.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    EXC: Boris Johnson is privately making clear he would keep Jeremy Hunt as chancellor if he wins the leadership.

    An attempt to reassure MPs he’d do what the markets wanted. Eye-catching move towards his old rival… but unclear if Hunt would accept.

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1584173388569853953

    Again, not something that happens if you're looking fine for the 100.

    He's a liar, such a promise would not be worth a dsmn thing.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is very misleading, while 2/3 of the country may now hate Boris over 1/3 of the country still absolutely love him. He is like Trump or Bolsonaro or Berlusconi or indeed Corbyn or Melenchon, their supporters will turn out for them regardless but they also turn off the rest of the country who will also turn out to vote against them.

    There is zero chance of the party falling to 10% under Boris as there was under Truss, hence hypothetical polls already put the Tories on 34-36% if Boris comes back.

    So Boris likely still gets a higher Conservative voteshare than Sunak or Mordaunt would and much higher than Truss did on the positive side for him. On the negative side though he also likely sees much higher anti Tory tactical voting from LD voters in Labour target seats and Labour voters in LD target seats as he is much more marmite than Rishi or Penny are

    Johnson was getting approval ratings in the low to mid 20s by the time he left and not all of those "loved" him by any means - some people are just loyal Conservatives regardless (Truss was on about 10%).

    So I don't know where you're getting your one-third love 'im stuff from.

    That does contrast with Trump, who demonstrably had a low ceiling but high floor. He had net negative ratings from an early stage but the bottom never tell out as many predicted.
    Trump's final approval rating as President was 34% and his average approval rating was 41%, he still got 47% in the 2020 election. Even some of those who don't necessarily approve of him still thought he would make the best President

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/328637/last-trump-job-approval-average-record-low.aspx
    Even if you didn't 'approve' of the party leader you would still vote Conservative.
    Would you, then why were only 14 or 19% of voters backing a Truss led Tories in polls early last week, compared to 34-36% who would still vote for a Boris led Tories in this weekend's hypothetical polls?
    I don't vote Conservative.

    I've voted for all three left-ish parties at one time or another, depending on who the candidate was, what I felt about the policies they were putting forward and how likely they were to defeat the Conservative!
    I would have voted for four, but I've never had the opportunity to vote Plaid Cymru!
    It must be galling, knowing that HY will always have that over you.
    Nice pun ... completely uncappable.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    “We just have to take your word for it [that Boris Johnson has 100 backers]… Is it a bit like saying, I have got a girlfriend but you won't know her she goes to a different school?"

    #Ridge

    https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1584103567409180672/video/1
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited October 2022

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Scott_xP said:

    Rishi Sunak also maintains his lead on the economy amongst 2019 Conservatives those who are no longer voting Conservative:

    > 43% think a Conservative government led by Sunak would be best at handling the economy
    > 20% said a Johnson government would be
    > 26% said neither https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1584181435547910145/photo/1

    Now then Mr/Mrs 20%. Please show me your working.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    Honby-Dublo train set for Mr HYUFD!
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749
    Scott_xP said:

    One other significant moment approaching. Rishi's team say that on their numbers they need to 4 more nominations for it to be mathematically impossible for more than two candidates to meet the threshold. At that moment huge pressure on Penny Mordaunt to release her supporters.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584179126310535168

    Why on earth should they want her to release her supporters, if the crucial thing is to prevent Boris from getting to 100?
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,593
    I'm irrationally angry about how badly they've produced that word cloud.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    I’m sure HMKCIII will approve:

    Jeremy Hunt is poised to scrap Boris Johnson ’s “vanity” yacht in his spending cuts.

    The Chancellor plans to end the ex-PM’s dream for a £250million ­national flagship for which the Ministry of Defence has spent nearly £2.5m on staff costs and consultants.


    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/chancellor-jeremy-hunt-plans-scrap-28299485
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One other significant moment approaching. Rishi's team say that on their numbers they need to 4 more nominations for it to be mathematically impossible for more than two candidates to meet the threshold. At that moment huge pressure on Penny Mordaunt to release her supporters.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584179126310535168

    Why on earth should they want her to release her supporters, if the crucial thing is to prevent Boris from getting to 100?
    If it’s confidential, none other than a few ‘22 officers really know the true numbers, anyway?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    I’m sure HMKCIII will approve:

    Jeremy Hunt is poised to scrap Boris Johnson ’s “vanity” yacht in his spending cuts.

    The Chancellor plans to end the ex-PM’s dream for a £250million ­national flagship for which the Ministry of Defence has spent nearly £2.5m on staff costs and consultants.


    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/chancellor-jeremy-hunt-plans-scrap-28299485

    Another project where Johnson has forced £millions of public money to be spent looking into his idiot ideas.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited October 2022
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    That last comment is the most backhanded comment I have ever seen about Mr Sunak. Absolutely damning with faint praise.
    41% of Scots think Rishi would do a good job as PM to just 15% for Boris and 23% for Penny, even if most Scots still prefer Starmer as PM to Sunak.

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/8w0a2xhvy8/TheTimes_VI_Results_221021_W.pdf
  • IanB2 said:

    Johnson's pro-Hunt comment comes because he's fishing for support.

    Exactly so.
    Which is why it should be possible for Hunt, in his calm and gentlemanly fashion, to come up with some words that put further pressure on the clown’s supporters.
    Hunt was reported on the last thread to have reached out to all contenders but only heard back from Sunak and Mordaunt, which makes this latest announcement that Boris would keep Hunt sound even more like a last throw of the dice.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    I’m sure HMKCIII will approve:

    Jeremy Hunt is poised to scrap Boris Johnson ’s “vanity” yacht in his spending cuts.

    The Chancellor plans to end the ex-PM’s dream for a £250million ­national flagship for which the Ministry of Defence has spent nearly £2.5m on staff costs and consultants.


    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/chancellor-jeremy-hunt-plans-scrap-28299485


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/charles-and-william-arent-on-board-for-downing-street-royal-yacht-plan-0mq7vhl0c

    Quite so.

    He's said not to be into Royal Yachts, unlike his predecessor of the same name who liked to name them after his mistresses' pet name (at least one, anyway):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMY_Fubbs
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    IanB2 said:

    I’m sure HMKCIII will approve:

    Jeremy Hunt is poised to scrap Boris Johnson ’s “vanity” yacht in his spending cuts.

    The Chancellor plans to end the ex-PM’s dream for a £250million ­national flagship for which the Ministry of Defence has spent nearly £2.5m on staff costs and consultants.


    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/chancellor-jeremy-hunt-plans-scrap-28299485

    Another project where Johnson has forced £millions of public money to be spent looking into his idiot ideas.
    Would love to know how much JRM's flawed BEIS 'poll' on Imperial measures cost.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is very misleading, while 2/3 of the country may now hate Boris over 1/3 of the country still absolutely love him.

    Which words in the pictogram did the third of respondents who apparently “absolutely love him” suggest?
    'Charismatic', 'Strong', 'Capable', 'Cool', 'Human', 'Funny', 'Churchillian', 'Strong', 'Great', 'Leader' etc
    There’s a four letter word bottom right which describes him better, and it’s not kind. Or “kind”.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    That last comment is the most backhanded comment I have ever seen about Mr Sunak. Absolutely damning with faint praise.
    41% of Scots think Rishi would do a good job as PM to just 15% for Boris and 23% for Penny, even if most Scots still prefer Starmer as PM to Sunak.

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/8w0a2xhvy8/TheTimes_VI_Results_221021_W.pdf
    As usual, you're not being explicit. That question is confined to Conservative leadership hopefuls, as presented by the polling company. Very different from a GE. Of course any sane voter in Scotland would not pick Mr Johnson.
  • MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited October 2022
    A lot more optimistic this afternoon that the Conservative Party MPs, and therefore the country, are pulling back from the brink of an utter disaster.

    And, wow, scrolling through this thread gives you a sense of how immensely unpopular Boris Johnson is even, and especially, among Conservative voters of a sensible mind.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.

    The same one as the DD lingerie size for David Davis campaign?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Endillion said:

    I like how the first diagram has "untrustworthy" listed at least three times, with different capitalisations.

    "Buffoon" is in there four times, but some are typos. There are probably other examples.

    Shouldn't the polling company have sanitised the data before releasing the results?

    also 2 Pr**ks, 2 c*nts, a knob, a dick and a twat. could be the start of Monty Python's Matching Tie and Handkerchief.
    'C*nt' was the same size as 'foot' which was surprising. Who'd think he was a foot?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited October 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    Suella Braverman's Telegraph article gives an insight into what to expect from a Rishi Sunak govt:

    * Legislation to limit impact of Human Rights Act

    * Delivering on Rwanda

    * Pushing ahead with legislation to over-ride NI protocol

    * A firm line on 'trans ideology' in schools

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584167642310406144

    WTAF? Isn't that just a Sue-Ellen wish list?

    Any evidence from Sunak that those things will figure at all or will he in fact get a little distracted from those pressing priorities by the CoL crisis, energy prices and supply, Ukraine, borrowing, interest rates, etc. etc.?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406

    Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
    I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.

    I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.
    I played union at school; it was compulsory.

    And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
    On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.

    I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
    The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…
    Thought it was New Zealand B!
    Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
    Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.
    It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Heathener said:

    A lot more optimistic this afternoon that the Conservative Party MPs, and therefore the country, are pulling back from the brink of an utter disaster.

    And, wow, scrolling through this thread gives you a sense of how immensely unpopular Boris Johnson is even, and especially, among Conservative voters of a sensible mind.

    We’re still on track for the outcome I mapped out here on Friday
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.

    "I'm up for it", attributed to him by 'Duggers' was another typically crass, egocentric, piece of Johnsonianism.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    edited October 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
    I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.

    I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.
    I played union at school; it was compulsory.

    And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
    On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.

    I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
    The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…
    Thought it was New Zealand B!
    Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
    Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.
    It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
    Second favourite in Korea too, after football.

    Their cheering culture has influenced US major league fan culture.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_cheering_culture_in_South_Korea
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Even on Guido's spreadsheet Rishi Sunak has just gone 2:1 over Johnson

    https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    dixiedean said:

    Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
    I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.

    I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.
    I played union at school; it was compulsory.

    And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
    On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.

    I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
    The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…
    Thought it was New Zealand B!
    Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
    Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.
    It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
    Shame they don’t make the cut for the ‘World Series’ then!😀
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZERO
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZERO
    English court? Surely not. Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. Last court for England, Wales, NI and Scotland.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Heathener said:

    Even on Guido's spreadsheet Rishi Sunak has just gone 2:1 over Johnson

    https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

    It was never about how far behind he was.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,259
    nico679 said:

    Not sure what Sunak promised Braverman but it’s bound to be something which delivers misery to someone given her nature however just seeing the fat oaf fxck off would be at least some consolation !

    I doubt he promised her anything. When you’re in the lead and gathering momentum you don’t need to
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
    I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.

    I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.
    I played union at school; it was compulsory.

    And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
    On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.

    I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
    The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…
    Thought it was New Zealand B!
    Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
    Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.
    It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
    Second favourite in Korea too, after football.
    Yes. There are quite a few others where it is second or third.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1m
    Some surprise at the fact Penny Mordaunt is sticking in the race. But I understand the reason is:

    a) She is certain Boris doesn't have 100 names
    b) A number of Boris declared backers are becoming aware of that
    c) She is the preferred second preference for many Boris backers

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584187567792041984

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Carnyx said:

    MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.

    The same one as the DD lingerie size for David Davis campaign?
    Bad news for George Galloway.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,259
    dixiedean said:

    Problem is. We tend to think he has more backing than he does.
    Because those who like Boris are loud, boorish, vociferous and persistent in pontificating their ill-thought out views.
    Makes you wonder what they see in him?

    I’ve just seen Cleverly and Zahawi on Guido’s list for Boris.

    Presumably they think Rishi will survive 2 years and then they will have no chance of ever being leader? Can’t understand why else they would back him
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Roger said:

    Endillion said:

    I like how the first diagram has "untrustworthy" listed at least three times, with different capitalisations.

    "Buffoon" is in there four times, but some are typos. There are probably other examples.

    Shouldn't the polling company have sanitised the data before releasing the results?

    also 2 Pr**ks, 2 c*nts, a knob, a dick and a twat. could be the start of Monty Python's Matching Tie and Handkerchief.
    'C*nt' was the same size as 'foot' which was surprising. Who'd think he was a foot?
    maybe comparing him as equal to Michael Foot?
  • dixiedean said:

    Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
    I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.

    I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.
    I played union at school; it was compulsory.

    And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
    On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.

    I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
    The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…
    Thought it was New Zealand B!
    Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
    Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.
    It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
    Shame they don’t make the cut for the ‘World Series’ then!😀
    A think 'World Series' is taken from an old sponsor, an obsolete newspaper called 'The World', rather than any claim of global participation.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406

    dixiedean said:

    Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
    I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.

    I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.
    I played union at school; it was compulsory.

    And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
    On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.

    I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
    The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…
    Thought it was New Zealand B!
    Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
    Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.
    It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
    Shame they don’t make the cut for the ‘World Series’ then!😀
    Well. They kind of do.
    28% of major league players are foreign.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Heathener said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1m
    Some surprise at the fact Penny Mordaunt is sticking in the race. But I understand the reason is:

    a) She is certain Boris doesn't have 100 names
    b) A number of Boris declared backers are becoming aware of that
    c) She is the preferred second preference for many Boris backers

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584187567792041984

    Credit to her if she gets in, but she’ll pull out quickly tomorrow afternoon. Her gameplan isn’t to try and get the members to overturn the clear preference of MPs.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Scott_xP said:

    Suella Braverman's Telegraph article gives an insight into what to expect from a Rishi Sunak govt:

    * Legislation to limit impact of Human Rights Act

    * Delivering on Rwanda

    * Pushing ahead with legislation to over-ride NI protocol

    * A firm line on 'trans ideology' in schools

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584167642310406144

    WTAF? Isn't that just a Sue-Ellen wish list?

    Any evidence from Sunak that those things will figure at all or will he in fact get a little distracted from those pressing priorities by the CoL crisis, energy prices and supply, Ukraine, borrowing, interest rates, etc. etc.?
    I’m sure they’ll be carefully considered and in the fullness of time at the appropriate moment put into focus groups before considering whether further consultation among concerned interest groups should merit further scrutiny.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    kle4 said:

    Heathener said:

    Even on Guido's spreadsheet Rishi Sunak has just gone 2:1 over Johnson

    https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

    It was never about how far behind he was.
    Yes it was though.

    If Rishi leads Johnson massively amongst MPs then, even if it had gone to members, it's inconceivable that he could have commanded the party in parliament. That way anarchy would have been loosed upon the country.

    Liz Truss demonstrated why it's so important that Rishi wins and wins convincingly amongst his own MPs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited October 2022

    dixiedean said:

    Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
    I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.

    I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.
    I played union at school; it was compulsory.

    And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
    On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.

    I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
    The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…
    Thought it was New Zealand B!
    Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
    Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.
    It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
    Shame they don’t make the cut for the ‘World Series’ then!😀
    A think 'World Series' is taken from an old sponsor, an obsolete newspaper called 'The World', rather than any claim of global participation.
    Fake News....That is a much repeated fable.

    The real reason behind the name is thanks to Barney Dreyfuss who was the owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates. In 1903, he wrote to the owner of the Boston Red Sox challenging them to a 'World's Championship Series'. At the time when it was first called World Series the two teams were really the best teams in the world.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055
    edited October 2022
    So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:

    1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.

    2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.

    3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.

    4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.

    5) A nasty Farage vehicle.

    Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    Heathener said:

    MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.

    "I'm up for it", attributed to him by 'Duggers' was another typically crass, egocentric, piece of Johnsonianism.
    Thought it was "Dudders"? Or maybe I have that wrong. Sounds quite similar.

    But which is it, Duggers or Dudders? Not massively important but we may as well get it nailed down.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    biggles said:

    So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:

    1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.

    2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.

    3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.

    4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.

    5) A nasty Farage vehicle.

    Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..

    You'd made a far more accurate statement in your typo of "ejection" rather than "election".
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Penny's team also say they're starting to receive calls from Boris backers. As always, may be spin. But it does seem cracks may be forming in Boris's support base. A number of his supporters signed up on assurance he had the 100 names. And they are starting to have doubts.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Is it true that Johnson was making money giving a talk before putting his feet up with his wife in the Dominican Republic?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    kinabalu said:

    Heathener said:

    MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.

    "I'm up for it", attributed to him by 'Duggers' was another typically crass, egocentric, piece of Johnsonianism.
    Thought it was "Dudders"? Or maybe I have that wrong. Sounds quite similar.

    But which is it, Duggers or Dudders? Not massively important but we may as well get it nailed down.
    Haha you're right. An unintentional typo by me. Dudders it is.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    nico679 said:

    Not sure what Sunak promised Braverman but it’s bound to be something which delivers misery to someone given her nature however just seeing the fat oaf fxck off would be at least some consolation !

    I doubt he promised her anything. When you’re in the lead and gathering momentum you don’t need to
    To a degree. He is going to win the MP ballot, assuming there is more than 1 candidate, but she could have been more of a wrecker or just kept quiet, whereas she went out of her way to help.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    Heathener said:

    kle4 said:

    Heathener said:

    Even on Guido's spreadsheet Rishi Sunak has just gone 2:1 over Johnson

    https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

    It was never about how far behind he was.
    Yes it was though.

    If Rishi leads Johnson massively amongst MPs then, even if it had gone to members, it's inconceivable that he could have commanded the party in parliament. That way anarchy would have been loosed upon the country.

    Liz Truss demonstrated why it's so important that Rishi wins and wins convincingly amongst his own MPs.
    If Johnson is serious about returning, he's probably hoping he can repeat the same trick as in the run up to the 2019 election when people like Amber Rudd left the party.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055

    biggles said:

    So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:

    1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.

    2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.

    3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.

    4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.

    5) A nasty Farage vehicle.

    Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..

    You'd made a far more accurate statement in your typo of "ejection" rather than "election".
    I did think about leaving it. Next time looks like a spoilt ballot.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Would Penny want to be the one who helps facilitate the clown destroying the Tory party ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited October 2022
    So if Bring Back Boris campaign crashes and burns, do we think Boris will swiftly stand down as an MP? Otherwise he is going to be left to lose his seat in a couple of years and we know how much he hates to appear to be a loser. And why would Sunak do him a solid and give him a new safe seat?
  • Scott_xP said:

    Suella Braverman's Telegraph article gives an insight into what to expect from a Rishi Sunak govt:

    * Legislation to limit impact of Human Rights Act

    * Delivering on Rwanda

    * Pushing ahead with legislation to over-ride NI protocol

    * A firm line on 'trans ideology' in schools

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584167642310406144

    WTAF? Isn't that just a Sue-Ellen wish list?

    Any evidence from Sunak that those things will figure at all or will he in fact get a little distracted from those pressing priorities by the CoL crisis, energy prices and supply, Ukraine, borrowing, interest rates, etc. etc.?
    I’m sure they’ll be carefully considered and in the fullness of time at the appropriate moment put into focus groups before considering whether further consultation among concerned interest groups should merit further scrutiny.
    It hasn't entirely sunk in yet, but the government are going to spend the next two years doing what the Chancellor tells them that the bond markets will let them do.

    Luxuries like Royal Yachts and trade wars with the EU simply aren't going to be affordable.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    biggles said:

    So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:

    1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.

    2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.

    3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.

    4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.

    5) A nasty Farage vehicle.

    Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..

    The Liberals have now abandoned rejoin for closer realignment and Davey is on the classical liberal Orange Book wing more than the SDP wing
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    biggles said:

    So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:

    1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.

    2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.

    3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.

    4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.

    5) A nasty Farage vehicle.

    Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..

    Is the Lettuce not standing anyone in your constituency?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    I can't think of a more repulsive recent politician than Johnson. Possibly Trump but even that's a close run thing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    Scott_xP said:

    One other significant moment approaching. Rishi's team say that on their numbers they need to 4 more nominations for it to be mathematically impossible for more than two candidates to meet the threshold. At that moment huge pressure on Penny Mordaunt to release her supporters.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584179126310535168

    I don't think she withdraws till Johnson says he's not standing.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZERO
    English court? Surely not. Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. Last court for England, Wales, NI and Scotland.
    It is an English court , fudged to do down our legal system. Court of Session was and still should be the highest court in Scotland.
    4 out of the 5 judges in this case are English , and in my mind a kangaroo court.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Heathener said:

    kle4 said:

    Heathener said:

    Even on Guido's spreadsheet Rishi Sunak has just gone 2:1 over Johnson

    https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

    It was never about how far behind he was.
    Yes it was though.

    If Rishi leads Johnson massively amongst MPs then, even if it had gone to members, it's inconceivable that he could have commanded the party in parliament. That way anarchy would have been loosed upon the country.

    Liz Truss demonstrated why it's so important that Rishi wins and wins convincingly amongst his own MPs.
    Truss could have done ok with MPs had she not tanked the economy without faking them. By her election most backed her.

    But the point was he could be miles ahead and do only one able to govern but that would not matter to to the members if a second candidate is available, and if
    they like that person better. Itd be silly, but
    That's them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073

    biggles said:

    So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:

    1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.

    2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.

    3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.

    4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.

    5) A nasty Farage vehicle.

    Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..

    Is the Lettuce not standing anyone in your constituency?
    Its salad days are over.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    If BritNats spent a fraction of the time they spend copying and pasting gobbledygook on thinking about how to make the Union less unpopular to Scottish voters then they might be in with a shout of saving it.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,497
    biggles said:

    So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:

    1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.

    2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.

    3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.

    4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.

    5) A nasty Farage vehicle.

    Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..

    Understandable but incorrect.

    1) You can't be focussed only on the needs of the wealthiest and also spend about £400 bn a year on the pensions, benefits, and NHS all of which the wealthiest don't need or use.

    2) It is clear that Labour, while being quiet about details, has its place firmly in the only available Overton window - in tough times we try to repair the damage, construct sound finances, look after the needy and vulnerable and support job creating private enterprise.

    It is quiet about details because the only available Overton window position that doesn't destroy the country (ask Truss) is quite tough.

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZERO
    Oh, I dunno. The English government has not been working in England’s favour for many years now. English voters have only recently noticed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZERO
    English court? Surely not. Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. Last court for England, Wales, NI and Scotland.
    It is an English court , fudged to do down our legal system. Court of Session was and still should be the highest court in Scotland.
    4 out of the 5 judges in this case are English , and in my mind a kangaroo court.
    Your mind making it so doesnt mean it is so.

    The case looks like a very technical legal dispute, hinging on precise definitions and procedural steps - yes the politics behind it all is bitter but i doubt sleep will be lost if they say 'this is not for us right now'.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,259
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is very misleading, while 2/3 of the country may now hate Boris over 1/3 of the country still absolutely love him.

    Which words in the pictogram did the third of respondents who apparently “absolutely love him” put forward?
    Clown? Buffoon?

    Those aren’t necessarily negative
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    dixiedean said:

    Meanwhile the rugby league World Cup soldiers on; this afternoon those two traditional centres of the game, Lebanon and Ireland.
    I think it is finding a few new supporters. Anyway much more of a free flowing game than Union.

    I have never understood those who say league is more free flowing than union. Tackle, shag the ground for three seconds, roll ball back under foot. Repeat. No variety. No complexity. Union is just a much better game. Played right, with quick ruck ball or better, ball out of the tackle, union is superb, but also has the contrast of trials of strength at scrum and maul, and the technical challenge of line out. Union has an issue with scrums getting reset, but otherwise it’s fine.
    I played union at school; it was compulsory.

    And I was brought up to watch it but when I went to live in the north-west I started watching league and enjoyed it. When rugby league was trying to expand into Essex I used to go and watch the Southend side, who got hammered every match!
    On the television I still prefer league. Union's always stopping.

    I I find the idea of a World Cup somewhat amusing though; about 2 1/2 countries play rugby league regularly and three or four more supply players to those two!
    The ‘Cook Islands’ team had a distinct whiff of Australia ‘C’ about them… Interesting story about league in Greece, and I applaud those in charge for trying to expand, but it is almost as bad as US sports claiming the ‘World Series’ in a sport only they play, and even if other countries have sides, they aren’t allowed in…
    Thought it was New Zealand B!
    Rather amusing that the Cubans won the Olympic gold medal in baseball.
    Not really. Baseball is Cuba's national sport. It is in a handful of others too. Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Taiwan, Japan.
    It's a long way from being a sport only played in America.
    Shame they don’t make the cut for the ‘World Series’ then!😀
    A think 'World Series' is taken from an old sponsor, an obsolete newspaper called 'The World', rather than any claim of global participation.
    I know, but I still find it annoying/amusing in equal proportion.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    I'm told there is also one other major thing that Boris's declared supporters are becoming increasingly nervous about. The fact he hasn't declared yet. They're starting to worry he will pull out, and leave them high and dry.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584190582175326209


    Nailed on...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    Heathener said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Penny's team also say they're starting to receive calls from Boris backers. As always, may be spin. But it does seem cracks may be forming in Boris's support base. A number of his supporters signed up on assurance he had the 100 names. And they are starting to have doubts.

    Hodges just types things, I think. Hopes for an occasional 'hit' by the law of randomness.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    NEW: Boris Johnson & Penny Mordaunt spoke on the phone this afternoon

    Mordaunt rejected his request to back him, saying most of her supporters would rather switch to Sunak than him

    She also told him that some of his supporters had switched to backing her https://bit.ly/3MZGnFn
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Nigelb said:

    biggles said:

    So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:

    1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.

    2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.

    3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.

    4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.

    5) A nasty Farage vehicle.

    Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..

    Is the Lettuce not standing anyone in your constituency?
    Its salad days are over.
    No lettuces standing but plenty of iceberg for the government.
  • Scott_xP said:

    I'm told there is also one other major thing that Boris's declared supporters are becoming increasingly nervous about. The fact he hasn't declared yet. They're starting to worry he will pull out, and leave them high and dry.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584190582175326209


    Nailed on...

    They obviously have very short memories if they are going to be surprised by that.
  • Scott_xP said:

    I'm told there is also one other major thing that Boris's declared supporters are becoming increasingly nervous about. The fact he hasn't declared yet. They're starting to worry he will pull out, and leave them high and dry.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584190582175326209


    Nailed on...

    Classic Boris....
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    kinabalu said:

    Heathener said:

    MISSING - the #BorisorBust slogan seems to have disappeared today. I wonder which genius came up with that.

    "I'm up for it", attributed to him by 'Duggers' was another typically crass, egocentric, piece of Johnsonianism.
    Thought it was "Dudders"? Or maybe I have that wrong. Sounds quite similar.

    But which is it, Duggers or Dudders? Not massively important but we may as well get it nailed down.
    They both sound as though they have walked out of the pages of PG Wodehouse.

    I see Old Dudders as Hon. Sec. at the Drones Club, perhaps charged with ensuring Barmy Fotheringay-Phipps & Co do not misuse the Drones Club snooker cues.

    Whereas I see Duggers as one of the boon companions, famous for hanging the chef from the Drones Club Magnolia bush after an unsatisfactory steak and kidney pie was served up for his luncheon.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Doesn't sound like the act of a winner with 100 names...

    🔴 Penny Mordaunt has rejected Boris Johnson’s attempt to get her to drop out of the Tory leadership race and back him during a phone call, The Telegraph can reveal

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/23/penny-mordaunt-tells-boris-johnson-wont-drop-back-tory-leadership/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1666535928-2
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Why isn't this bigger news?

    "Salman Rushdie has lost sight in one eye and use of one hand, says agent
    Full extent of injuries from ‘brutal attack’ on Satanic Verses author in New York state in August revealed"

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/oct/23/salman-rushdie-has-lost-sight-in-one-eye-and-use-of-one-hand-says-agent
  • Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Boris Johnson & Penny Mordaunt spoke on the phone this afternoon

    Mordaunt rejected his request to back him, saying most of her supporters would rather switch to Sunak than him

    She also told him that some of his supporters had switched to backing her https://bit.ly/3MZGnFn

    One of your best ever posts @ Scott
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited October 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    If BritNats spent a fraction of the time they spend copying and pasting gobbledygook on thinking about how to make the Union less unpopular to Scottish voters then they might be in with a shout of saving it.
    Warning of the hard border between England and Scotland, rising cost of living, the loss of sterling as the currency etc as we Unionists do is most likely to turn Yes voters to No and shore up the No vote

    However with multiple Unionist parties having multiple Nationalist parties under FPTP too evens things up

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/10/21/what-would-make-scots-change-their-mind-about-inde
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZERO
    The Supreme Court isn't an "English court". It is the final court of appeal for civil cases originating in any of the nations of he UK, and its current President, Lord Reed of Allermuir, is Scottish.
    Rubbish, it is a Westminster colonial stitch up. A token toom tabard makes no difference. Court of Session is the real highest court in Scotland and will be again when we are not a colony. Just need confirmation from the English SC that we are indeed a colony and can only do what England allows.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Boris Johnson & Penny Mordaunt spoke on the phone this afternoon

    Mordaunt rejected his request to back him, saying most of her supporters would rather switch to Sunak than him

    She also told him that some of his supporters had switched to backing her https://bit.ly/3MZGnFn

    I so hope that is true.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    The dream scenario for Labour is surely for Boris Johnson to scrape through with MPs, win with members & be leading a deeply divided Conservative Party. That's all quite apart from Johnson's record.https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1584192944394752000


    Looks increasingly likely MPs are going to deliver the coup de grace
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Boris Johnson has told colleagues that neither Penny Mordaunt nor Rishi Sunak are prepared to do a deal

    He's reached out to both

    During their call Mordaunt suggested that *he* should drop out rather than her as she is the second preference for most of his supporters

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584192488956252161
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited October 2022
    HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    So on balance my choices at the next election are likely to be:

    1) A nasty, corporatist Tory Party focused only on the needs of the wealthiest.

    2) A divided, talentless, Labour Party with no sense of an agenda, and social policies I can’t support in things like self ID.

    3) A crazy “Rejoin” Party.

    4) A Green Party with bonkers ideas that would work against its supposed objectives.

    5) A nasty Farage vehicle.

    Oh for an old school Liberal Party…..

    The Liberals have now abandoned rejoin for closer realignment and Davey is on the classical liberal Orange Book wing more than the SDP wing
    An old school Liberal Party still around too
    https://liberal.org.uk/
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    If the plan was for Truss to win and Johnson to ride to the rescue then the only flaw was that it worked too well.
    Six months time and I reckon he'd have won.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    Dura_Ace said:
    The boat in that picture looks little more than a gussied up cross channel ferry. Not sure how that's £250m. Can't help thinking vast amounts spent and little to show is what you get when the MOD gets involved.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    If BritNats spent a fraction of the time they spend copying and pasting gobbledygook on thinking about how to make the Union less unpopular to Scottish voters then they might be in with a shout of saving it.
    Warning of the hard border between England and Wales, rising cost of living, the loss of sterling as the currency etc as we Unionists do is not likely to turn Yes voters to No and shore up the No vote

    However with multiple Unionist parties having multiple Nationalist parties under FPTP too evens things up

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/10/21/what-would-make-scots-change-their-mind-about-inde
    I dont think there will be a hard border between England and Wales.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nicola Sturgeon is best performing party leader, says UK-wide poll

    Nicola Sturgeon has been the best performing political leader UK-wide during her handling of the Covid crisis, with 43 per cent approval, according to a new poll.

    The First Minister proved more popular throughout the UK than Boris Johnson (37 per cent) and Labour leader Keir Starmer (40 per cent) in a poll of 2,003 Brits conducted by Opinium.

    A Scottish breakdown shows 57 per cent (a +24 per cent rating) of people in Scotland approve of the way Ms Sturgeon is handling her role.

    Mr Johnson's has an overall ratio of -7 per cent.

    The poll also finds 65 per cent of people in Scotland disapprove of the way Boris Johnson has fulfilled his role as Prime Minister.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-best-performing-party-leader-says-uk-wide-poll-3091673

    SNP still polling no higher than 45% however and Salmond waiting to stand Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies if Sturgeon again rules out UDI after the SC ruling.

    Sunak also more popular in Scotland than Boris
    SNP still soaring high at approximately 45% while Scottish Tories are floundering sub-10%.

    If Salmond stands Alba candidates across Scottish constituencies their membership will collapse (see James Kelly, formerly of this parish) and their vote will be infinitesimal.

    Sunak is slightly less colossally unpopular in Scotland than The Oaf.

    Fixed that for you.
    If the SC rule out an indyref2 without UK government approval and Sturgeon rules out UDI than Salmond could be Farage to Sturgeon's May and split the Nationalist vote, then allowing SLab to gain more SNP Westminster seats
    What chance an English court not ruling in England's favour...... ZERO
    English court? Surely not. Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. Last court for England, Wales, NI and Scotland.
    It is an English court , fudged to do down our legal system. Court of Session was and still should be the highest court in Scotland.
    4 out of the 5 judges in this case are English , and in my mind a kangaroo court.
    Your mind making it so doesnt mean it is so.

    The case looks like a very technical legal dispute, hinging on precise definitions and procedural steps - yes the politics behind it all is bitter but i doubt sleep will be lost if they say 'this is not for us right now'.
    It is a treaty of union , so either party can leave, if not then Scotland is a colony, pretty simple.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited October 2022
    dixiedean said:

    If the plan was for Truss to win and Johnson to ride to the rescue then the only flaw was that it worked too well.
    Six months time and I reckon he'd have won.

    Longer than that needed...I think the plan was he gets his knuckles wrapped early next year over lying about parties...he does his naughty step time (while earning millions)....answers the call to save the world 2024.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    dixiedean said:

    If the plan was for Truss to win and Johnson to ride to the rescue then the only flaw was that it worked too well.
    Six months time and I reckon he'd have won.

    That's probably right. Sunak still had enough momentum from the previous race to become the default choice.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    I actually think this is over and we can stop talking about him now. Which tbh is absolutely the best way to handle the post-PM Boris Johnson.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    edited October 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    Boris Johnson has told colleagues that neither Penny Mordaunt nor Rishi Sunak are prepared to do a deal

    He's reached out to both

    During their call Mordaunt suggested that *he* should drop out rather than her as she is the second preference for most of his supporters

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584192488956252161

    Oh poor thing ! Sounds all very desperate . The only deal he’s interested in is the one where he’s PM .
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