The tectonic plates appear to be shifting – politicalbetting.com
Perhaps the most significant bit of today – Rishi getting public backing from the Right of the Tory party. Lord FrostKemi BadenochDavid DavisNeeded to back up his ‘unity’ pitchNow… all eyes on Suella Braverman
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First like Sunak.0
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Sunak to be Tory leader by coronation by Monday night like Howard 2003 and PM by coronation by Tuesday night like Brown 2007
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Then the impossible job begins....HYUFD said:Sunak to be leader by coronation by Monday night like Howard 2003.
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Boris Johnson’s ambition is fulfilled: win or lose, we’re all talking about him
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Then the polls close a bit and once we get the first lead under 15 Labour twitter goes into hyperventilating meltdownHYUFD said:Sunak to be Tory leader by coronation by Monday night like Howard 2003 and PM by coronation by Tuesday night like Brown 2007
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Big Nige will be tapping Cruddas hardbigjohnowls said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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Some Tory donors being told Boris will not run.0 -
Getting it sorted on Monday would be a good outcome. Get on with clearing out the weak cabinet and whips office.
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If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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Going to be interesting what BS narrative will be spun about why after dashing back from Carribbean he doesn't run.bigjohnowls said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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There’s a school of thought which claims that Boris can return to pick up the pieces after a 2024 loss.
Bollocks.
He is already yesterday’s fish and chip wrapper - a failure to get the nominations shows that - and the country will be all the better for it.6 -
seen as we have HYUFD on , OT but i am hosting a murder mystery halloween party next weekend and playing Lurch the Butler with other guests being Mortician adams. Gomex Adams ,Dracula, bride of Dracula , Poison Ivy (?) , Cruella de ville ,Frankenstein etc ! Any tips for acting in character ?0
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He has come up short on most measures.TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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I’m fully expecting a big jump for the Tories .wooliedyed said:
Then the polls close a bit and once we get the first lead under 15 Labour twitter goes into hyperventilating meltdownHYUFD said:Sunak to be Tory leader by coronation by Monday night like Howard 2003 and PM by coronation by Tuesday night like Brown 2007
So I wouldn’t be shocked . I’m confident though that Starmer will beat Sunak at the next GE.2 -
Yep: Sorry Oleg, Pyotr et al.bigjohnowls said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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We're going to get a lot of that crap, sadly.TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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You should be more interested in whether Tory Racists will vote for a brown PMTheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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Indeed. But that's TSE for you.Casino_Royale said:
We're going to get a lot of that crap, sadly.TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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I think Sunak's supporters are plentiful, and very positive about him. And I like to think that Johnson will be humiliated (Of course he is incapable of feeling shame, so no-one will need to feel sorry for him.)0
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We were reliably informed he had 150 backers this morning. I mean, it's still possible...Gardenwalker said:
Yep: Sorry Oleg, Pyotr et al.bigjohnowls said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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War with Brobdingnag by Friday i'm toldOmnium said:
He has come up short on most measures.TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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Indeed but I hope nobody will ever forget the ramping by Guido Fawkes.TheWhiteRabbit said:
We were reliably informed he had 150 backers this morning. I mean, it's still possible...Gardenwalker said:
Yep: Sorry Oleg, Pyotr et al.bigjohnowls said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.wooliedyed said:
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
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MPs need to ensure that by the end of play Monday Rishi is moving into No 10. However they get is of no interest they just need to get there.6
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The Cult of No Publicity Is Bad Publicity.Nigelb said:Boris Johnson’s ambition is fulfilled: win or lose, we’re all talking about him
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/22/boris-johnson-ambition-tory-party-prime-minister0 -
I will, and I have always voted Foaming Bigot like my father before me and his father before him.bigjohnowls said:
You should be more interested in whether Tory Racists will vote for a brown PMTheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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The concern of a Corbynite for the sinister racist secret at the heart of another party is fucking touching, it really is.1 -
Seriously?wooliedyed said:
Then the polls close a bit and once we get the first lead under 15 Labour twitter goes into hyperventilating meltdownHYUFD said:Sunak to be Tory leader by coronation by Monday night like Howard 2003 and PM by coronation by Tuesday night like Brown 2007
It would be astonishing if there wasn't a substantial step forward for the Conservatives but going from 15% to 25% isn't exactly an election-winning position, is it?
As it seems I have to repeat to you and some of the others on here, the one thing you won't be seeing from Labour, the LDs or any other non-Conservative party is complacency. They know every vote has to be won and nothing can be assumed.
35 point poll leads are nice to look at but totally meaningless.
I suspect Labour are well prepared for a Sunak administration and have their attack lines ready. I also think they'll be much happier facing Sunak than Johnson - let's face it, in Sunak and Starmer there's not much charisma. It would be ideal for a Farage or Johnson to be leading a breakaway conservative movement.2 -
Speaking of bizarre racial statements, an overseas based Scots Nat uses the term “House Jock” occasionally, but when challenged refuses to elaborate.2
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But provided he doesn't win, it'll be as well we were all talking about him. The story will hardly be to his credit.Nigelb said:Boris Johnson’s ambition is fulfilled: win or lose, we’re all talking about him
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/22/boris-johnson-ambition-tory-party-prime-minister0 -
UFC fighter of Iranian descent currently giving a passioned speech about plight of those protesting in Iran, that got booed (being held in Abu Dhabi)0
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If he becomes PM on Monday then he would become PM on Diwali.ydoethur said:
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.wooliedyed said:
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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This is a great thread by @TSE although not I suspect the Mordaunt bit.
I reckon the 235 to 120 could be very close to the final tally. Under those circumstances it's inconceivable that Johnson could lead his party in parliament. The real trouble would come if he still wanted the members to decide ... and won. Then we're in chaos-multiplied.1 -
I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.0
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Quite!TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed but I hope nobody will ever forget the ramping by Guido Fawkes.TheWhiteRabbit said:
We were reliably informed he had 150 backers this morning. I mean, it's still possible...Gardenwalker said:
Yep: Sorry Oleg, Pyotr et al.bigjohnowls said:(((Dan Hodges)))
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Paul Staines is a nasty piece of work, frankly.1 -
My annual reminder that I missed Trafalgar Day.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he becomes PM on Monday then he would become PM on Diwali.ydoethur said:
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.wooliedyed said:
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Wouldn't that make him also the first PM to avow a religion other than Christianity?
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If he consigns Boris Johnson to the outer darkness on the Festival of Light then I think we should all light a candle in celebration!TheScreamingEagles said:
If he becomes PM on Monday then he would become PM on Diwali.ydoethur said:
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.wooliedyed said:
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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Not a proper racial minority. Obviously.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss wasydoethur said:
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.wooliedyed said:
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
'Enoch Powell was right, the darkies do now have the whip hand over white British people.'1 -
And a bear will shit in the woods judging by most of their recent spectacular balls ups.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confusedTheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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Well maybe but news moves on fast. I won't re-hash the fish n' chip analogy but I'm not sure a week, a month, a year from now this will look particularly favourable for Johnson.Nigelb said:Boris Johnson’s ambition is fulfilled: win or lose, we’re all talking about him
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/22/boris-johnson-ambition-tory-party-prime-minister
I loathe him, I'll admit, and it will amuse me if his mad dash across the Atlantic, followed by mega-ramp, is all to show that he is no longer the big fish he thought he was. Except when wrapped in newspaper.1 -
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imoGardenwalker said:I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
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How about this for a scenario . Bozo gets just over a 100 nominations with Sunak miles ahead and Penny M in third .
The fear of absolute carnage if the members vote for him pushes some of his support to jump ship in the next vote .0 -
Just follow some politicians, May would make an excellent Morticia, Mandelson Dracula, Priti Patel Cruella de Ville, Braverman Poison Ivy, Raab Frankenstein etcstate_go_away said:seen as we have HYUFD on , OT but i am hosting a murder mystery halloween party next weekend and playing Lurch the Butler with other guests being Mortician adams. Gomex Adams ,Dracula, bride of Dracula , Poison Ivy (?) , Cruella de ville ,Frankenstein etc ! Any tips for acting in character ?
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I think the Labour MP's underlying point was that if BUT ONLY IF you're of a certain social class (and wear expensive clothes and sound a certain way), then it doesn't matter much whether you're black or brown.TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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The point was badly stated, and it was right that she was reprimanded by her Party for saying what she did.0 -
Did Enoch Powell not think that Indians were racially superior to Caucasians?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
'Enoch Powell was right, the darkies do now have the whip hand over white British people.'0 -
Look we don't need you trying to provoke racism in the redwall, Sunak will be a perfectly decent PM for all BritonsTheScreamingEagles said:
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
'Enoch Powell was right, the darkies do now have the whip hand over white British people.'0 -
Having said that JL Partners......wooliedyed said:
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imoGardenwalker said:I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current:
🌹LAB: 51%
🌳CON: 25%
Johnson:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 36%
Sunak:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt:
🌹LAB: 50%
🌳CON: 28%
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Why are you going on about race like this? I don't know anyone in my circles that would speak about things in these terms, let alone think them, except my friend who is a card carrying member of the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
'Enoch Powell was right, the darkies do now have the whip hand over white British people.'1 -
I’m still picking up the pieces from the last bounce that was predicted on here.nico679 said:
I’m fully expecting a big jump for the Tories .wooliedyed said:
Then the polls close a bit and once we get the first lead under 15 Labour twitter goes into hyperventilating meltdownHYUFD said:Sunak to be Tory leader by coronation by Monday night like Howard 2003 and PM by coronation by Tuesday night like Brown 2007
So I wouldn’t be shocked . I’m confident though that Starmer will beat Sunak at the next GE.1 -
ha excellent typecasting!HYUFD said:
Just follow some politicians, May would make an excellent Morticia, Mandelson Dracula, Priti Patel Cruella de Ville, Braverman Poison Ivy, Raab Frankenstein etcstate_go_away said:seen as we have HYUFD on , OT but i am hosting a murder mystery halloween party next weekend and playing Lurch the Butler with other guests being Mortician adams. Gomex Adams ,Dracula, bride of Dracula , Poison Ivy (?) , Cruella de ville ,Frankenstein etc ! Any tips for acting in character ?
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10-11 points down would be a remarkable turn around (not sure i believe it).wooliedyed said:
Having said that JL Partners......wooliedyed said:
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imoGardenwalker said:I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current:
🌹LAB: 51%
🌳CON: 25%
Johnson:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 36%
Sunak:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt:
🌹LAB: 50%
🌳CON: 28%
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I'm a Labour voter, typical leftie, and I would like to acknowledge the fantastic contribution that the Indian community has made to this country. My home town (Tywyn) has a current library exhibition of the arrival of Ugandan Asian refugees to the disused Army Camp 30 years ago. I remember the collections of warm clothes and meeting the kids my age - I was about 5. Eventually most were rehoused in Leicester and remade their fortunes. One of a few things to thank Ted Heath for. It did him no favours.TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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The next vote wouldn't matter, Mordaunt would be out, both candidates could go to the members if they wished.nico679 said:How about this for a scenario . Bozo gets just over a 100 nominations with Sunak miles ahead and Penny M in third .
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Yeah it's a hebdominal thread header on here.DougSeal said:
I’m still picking up the pieces from the last bounce that was predicted on here.nico679 said:
I’m fully expecting a big jump for the Tories .wooliedyed said:
Then the polls close a bit and once we get the first lead under 15 Labour twitter goes into hyperventilating meltdownHYUFD said:Sunak to be Tory leader by coronation by Monday night like Howard 2003 and PM by coronation by Tuesday night like Brown 2007
So I wouldn’t be shocked . I’m confident though that Starmer will beat Sunak at the next GE.
Rishi won't get much of a bounce. But he might slowly claw back some credibility and so limit losses at the next GE.0 -
So Boris does fractionally better than Rishi there then, though both do miles better against Labour than Truss does or Mordaunt wouldwooliedyed said:
Having said that JL Partners......wooliedyed said:
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imoGardenwalker said:I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current:
🌹LAB: 51%
🌳CON: 25%
Johnson:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 36%
Sunak:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt:
🌹LAB: 50%
🌳CON: 28%
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I will be immensely proud if the conservative party elect Sunak as their leader and first Asian PMTheScreamingEagles said:
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
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It's possible the Truss interregnum will have done the Tories a favour in the long run by lessening the charge of betrayal against Sunak as well as subduing the people who weren't happy with his fiscal approach. He stands a better chance of uniting the party now than he would have done if he'd won the first time around.2
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First Jewish heritage, woman and non white PM then all Tory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will be immensely proud if the conservative party elect Sunak as their leader and first Asian PMTheScreamingEagles said:
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
'Enoch Powell was right, the darkies do now have the whip hand over white British people.'
Labour can only get the first openly LGBT PM now, maybe Streeting0 -
None of which really matters if you have something of a pathological need for attention.Heathener said:
Well maybe but news moves on fast. I won't re-hash the fish n' chip analogy but I'm not sure a week, a month, a year from now this will look particularly favourable for Johnson.Nigelb said:Boris Johnson’s ambition is fulfilled: win or lose, we’re all talking about him
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/22/boris-johnson-ambition-tory-party-prime-minister
I loathe him, I'll admit, and it will amuse me if his mad dash across the Atlantic, followed by mega-ramp, is all to show that he is no longer the big fish he thought he was. Except when wrapped in newspaper.
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To be a little more specific, it was founded by the 48th Bishop of Winchester. Not by Tim Dakin or whoever his successor is now he's been fired.HYUFD said:
Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss wasydoethur said:
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.wooliedyed said:
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
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You have got think and speak back to front, and a logical disconnect between what TSE writes vs what your "circles" have to say about it.Heathener said:
Why are you going on about race like this? I don't know anyone in my circles that would speak about things in these terms, let alone think them, except my friend who is a card carrying member of the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
'Enoch Powell was right, the darkies do now have the whip hand over white British people.'
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I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
Team twat, i mean Truss, being a woman, a black guy etc, the issue was their policies not their gender or race.3 -
There are 47 known BoWs before Willie Wykeham? Are you sure?ydoethur said:
To be a little more specific, it was founded by the 48th Bishop of Winchester. Not by Tim Dakin or whoever his successor is now he's been fired.HYUFD said:
Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss wasydoethur said:
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.wooliedyed said:
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Wouldn't that make him also the first PM to avow a religion other than Christianity?
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Sure, although you’ve been castigating them as a pack of lunatics all week.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will be immensely proud if the conservative party elect Sunak as their leader and first Asian PMTheScreamingEagles said:
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
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QuiteFrancisUrquhart said:I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
Until I saw TSE's comment I hadn't even considered the matter.
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FYI (also btw) believe that a contender - up until this week anyway - for shortest interval between fall and rise of a Prime Minister, is William Lyon Mackenzie King (Liberal) of Canada.
Who was forced from office (under at least one interpretation) on June 28, 1926. And was back as PM (after constitutional crisis between WLMK and Gov. Gen Byng) on September 25, 1926.
By way of contrast, when incumbent Liberal PM Pierre Trudeau left office on June 4, 1979 it took him until March 3, 1980 to get back in.2 -
The alleged anonymous Johnson supporters are of no help if they don’t officially nominate him . So Guidos inflated score is irrelevant .
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I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.FrancisUrquhart said:I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.4 -
A law breaker Vs a tax dodger
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No, because it's very uncertain whether some of them were Bishop or not, and also whether you count the bishops of Dorchester. But it had been going for over 700 years at that point, so it was at around the halfway stage of its existence. 47 doesn't seem far out.Ishmael_Z said:
There are 47 known BoWs before Willie Wykeham? Are you sure?ydoethur said:
To be a little more specific, it was founded by the 48th Bishop of Winchester. Not by Tim Dakin or whoever his successor is now he's been fired.HYUFD said:
Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss wasydoethur said:
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.wooliedyed said:
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Wouldn't that make him also the first PM to avow a religion other than Christianity?1 -
I wonder if Rishi has used the last few months wisely in that regard.GIN1138 said:A law breaker Vs a tax dodger
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Jolyon Maugham thinks that only lawyers have access to the "cultural elite".
@JolyonMaugham
If you haven't practiced law you won't have heard the alienating language of the cultural elites - of clubs and school ties, of Classics and Greats, of Opera and Rugby. It is used, sometimes quite deliberately, by some judges to alienate those from the 'wrong' side of the tracks.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/15837703492791869440 -
Technically speaking, Sunak is also a law breaker.GIN1138 said:A law breaker Vs a tax dodger
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I have not been castigating Sunak and I do not use the word lunatic, not least because of its connotation with mental health which my family have suffered fromGardenwalker said:
Sure, although you’ve been castigating them as a pack of lunatics all week.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will be immensely proud if the conservative party elect Sunak as their leader and first Asian PMTheScreamingEagles said:
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
'Enoch Powell was right, the darkies do now have the whip hand over white British people.'
I openly admit to condemning Truss and the conservative party for the mess they have made over the last 6 weeks and before but not in the way you describe1 -
If the Tories manage 35 and certainly 36 in a GE i see no chance of a Lab MajorityHYUFD said:
So Boris does fractionally better than Rishi there then, though both do miles better against Labour than Truss does or Mordaunt wouldwooliedyed said:
Having said that JL Partners......wooliedyed said:
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imoGardenwalker said:I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current:
🌹LAB: 51%
🌳CON: 25%
Johnson:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 36%
Sunak:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt:
🌹LAB: 50%
🌳CON: 28%
(Caveat in that she’s widely unknown)1 -
Yes you're probably right although I liked putting it that way around for ontological reasons.Ishmael_Z said:
You have got think and speak back to frontHeathener said:
Why are you going on about race like this? I don't know anyone in my circles that would speak about things in these terms, let alone think them, except my friend who is a card carrying member of the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
'Enoch Powell was right, the darkies do now have the whip hand over white British people.'
On the subject of grammar, it has been bugging me for hours. Shouldn't Guido's spreadsheet be 'Who's backing whom?'
https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/
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You would know better than me TSE but are you sure what they're saying matches what they're thinking?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.FrancisUrquhart said:I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
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Not sure how it lessens the charge of betrayal. He and his unsavoury parliamentary fanbase have now sabotaged two Prime Ministers in their avowed cause of 'stabilising the markets'.williamglenn said:It's possible the Truss interregnum will have done the Tories a favour in the long run by lessening the charge of betrayal against Sunak as well as subduing the people who weren't happy with his fiscal approach. He stands a better chance of uniting the party now than he would have done if he'd won the first time around.
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Jolyon seems the like of person who has told me that I've never experienced racism because I was privately educated, the son of a doctor, and earn decent money.williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham thinks that only lawyers have access to the "cultural elite".
@JolyonMaugham
If you haven't practiced law you won't have heard the alienating language of the cultural elites - of clubs and school ties, of Classics and Greats, of Opera and Rugby. It is used, sometimes quite deliberately, by some judges to alienate those from the 'wrong' side of the tracks.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/15837703492791869441 -
Wow.ydoethur said:
No, because it's very uncertain whether some of them were Bishop or not, and also whether you count the bishops of Dorchester. But it had been going for over 700 years at that point, so it was at around the halfway stage of its existence. 47 doesn't seem far out.Ishmael_Z said:
There are 47 known BoWs before Willie Wykeham? Are you sure?ydoethur said:
To be a little more specific, it was founded by the 48th Bishop of Winchester. Not by Tim Dakin or whoever his successor is now he's been fired.HYUFD said:
Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss wasydoethur said:
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.wooliedyed said:
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Wouldn't that make him also the first PM to avow a religion other than Christianity?
Dorchester Dorset or Dorchester Oxon?
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I couldn't give a toss about his skin colour.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.FrancisUrquhart said:I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
I support Sunak because he's by far the best candidate.
We need to get beyond this.4 -
It's a very wiggish view.williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham thinks that only lawyers have access to the "cultural elite".
@JolyonMaugham
If you haven't practiced law you won't have heard the alienating language of the cultural elites - of clubs and school ties, of Classics and Greats, of Opera and Rugby. It is used, sometimes quite deliberately, by some judges to alienate those from the 'wrong' side of the tracks.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/15837703492791869442 -
And also locked down and spent tens of billions he didn't have and taxed Tory core voters. In fact Sunak's strict advantages over Johnson boil down to the fact that he wasn't in charge, which isn't a great deal different from Truss.TheScreamingEagles said:
Technically speaking, Sunak is also a law breaker.GIN1138 said:A law breaker Vs a tax dodger
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You're all worried about what people will make of Sunak's skin colour.
I'm worried that the Daily Star will try and measure his premiership live against some sumac.0 -
Ishmael_Z said:
I will, and I have always voted Foaming Bigot like my father before me and his father before him.bigjohnowls said:
You should be more interested in whether Tory Racists will vote for a brown PMTheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
The concern of a Corbynite for the sinister racist secret at the heart of another party is fucking touching, it really is.
61 years and now Labour has a hierarchy of racism and the Tories a brown leader..........Ishmael_Z said:
I will, and I have always voted Foaming Bigot like my father before me and his father before him.bigjohnowls said:
You should be more interested in whether Tory Racists will vote for a brown PMTheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
The concern of a Corbynite for the sinister racist secret at the heart of another party is fucking touching, it really is.
pure coincidence I know.
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The Tories polled a fair bit higher than that in both 1945 and 1966!wooliedyed said:
If the Tories manage 35 and certainly 36 in a GE i see no chance of a Lab MajorityHYUFD said:
So Boris does fractionally better than Rishi there then, though both do miles better against Labour than Truss does or Mordaunt wouldwooliedyed said:
Having said that JL Partners......wooliedyed said:
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imoGardenwalker said:I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current:
🌹LAB: 51%
🌳CON: 25%
Johnson:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 36%
Sunak:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt:
🌹LAB: 50%
🌳CON: 28%
(Caveat in that she’s widely unknown)0 -
Hypothetical polling is garbage.wooliedyed said:
Having said that JL Partners......wooliedyed said:
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imoGardenwalker said:I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current:
🌹LAB: 51%
🌳CON: 25%
Johnson:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 36%
Sunak:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt:
🌹LAB: 50%
🌳CON: 28%
(Caveat in that she’s widely unknown)1 -
These are the same people who moaned about lefty Remoaner Jeremy Hunt becoming Chancellor and praise Kemi Badenoch and want her to be PM.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You would know better than me TSE but are you sure what they're saying matches what they're thinking?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.FrancisUrquhart said:I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.0 -
That reminds me that he also made a racist comment to Rishi Sunak.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jolyon seems the like of person who has told me that I've never experienced racism because I was privately educated, the son of a doctor, and earn decent money.williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham thinks that only lawyers have access to the "cultural elite".
@JolyonMaugham
If you haven't practiced law you won't have heard the alienating language of the cultural elites - of clubs and school ties, of Classics and Greats, of Opera and Rugby. It is used, sometimes quite deliberately, by some judges to alienate those from the 'wrong' side of the tracks.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/15837703492791869440 -
And, one that Jolyon Maugham secretly practices himself.ydoethur said:
It's a very wiggish view.williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham thinks that only lawyers have access to the "cultural elite".
@JolyonMaugham
If you haven't practiced law you won't have heard the alienating language of the cultural elites - of clubs and school ties, of Classics and Greats, of Opera and Rugby. It is used, sometimes quite deliberately, by some judges to alienate those from the 'wrong' side of the tracks.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/15837703492791869440 -
You're the one who raised it on this thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.FrancisUrquhart said:I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.0 -
It's like when I got married to an English native, it was like whatever.Casino_Royale said:
I couldn't give a toss about his skin colour.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.FrancisUrquhart said:I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
I support Sunak because he's by far the best candidate.
We need to get beyond this.1 -
Point of order - the last two prime ministers entirely sabotaged themselves with absolutely no other help whateverLuckyguy1983 said:
Not sure how it lessens the charge of betrayal. He and his unsavoury parliamentary fanbase have now sabotaged two Prime Ministers in their avowed cause of 'stabilising the markets'.williamglenn said:It's possible the Truss interregnum will have done the Tories a favour in the long run by lessening the charge of betrayal against Sunak as well as subduing the people who weren't happy with his fiscal approach. He stands a better chance of uniting the party now than he would have done if he'd won the first time around.
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Yes, but the rule of thumb is ALWAYS say who, because a correct whom looks pedantic as often as not and an incorrect one is career ending.Heathener said:
Yes you're probably right although I liked putting it that way around for ontological reasons.Ishmael_Z said:
You have got think and speak back to frontHeathener said:
Why are you going on about race like this? I don't know anyone in my circles that would speak about things in these terms, let alone think them, except my friend who is a card carrying member of the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.FrancisUrquhart said:
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....TheScreamingEagles said:If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
'Enoch Powell was right, the darkies do now have the whip hand over white British people.'
On the subject of grammar, it has been bugging me for hours. Shouldn't Guido's spreadsheet be 'Who's backing whom?'
https://order-order.com/2022/10/21/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/
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You mean the least worst candidate.Casino_Royale said:
I couldn't give a toss about his skin colour.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.FrancisUrquhart said:I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
I support Sunak because he's by far the best candidate.
We need to get beyond this.
You equivocated during the last contest, quite rightly, because Rishi is significantly flawed.
Nevertheless we must wish him well, and to come to power for Diwali is surely auspicious.0 -
It wasn't for Johnson in 2019 or for Major in 1990 or indeed for Blair in 1994Alistair said:
Hypothetical polling is garbage.wooliedyed said:
Having said that JL Partners......wooliedyed said:
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imoGardenwalker said:I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current:
🌹LAB: 51%
🌳CON: 25%
Johnson:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 36%
Sunak:
🌹LAB: 46%
🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt:
🌹LAB: 50%
🌳CON: 28%
(Caveat in that she’s widely unknown)0
