It's possible the Truss interregnum will have done the Tories a favour in the long run by lessening the charge of betrayal against Sunak as well as subduing the people who weren't happy with his fiscal approach. He stands a better chance of uniting the party now than he would have done if he'd won the first time around.
Not sure how it lessens the charge of betrayal. He and his unsavoury parliamentary fanbase have now sabotaged two Prime Ministers in their avowed cause of 'stabilising the markets'.
Point of order - the last two prime ministers entirely sabotaged themselves with absolutely no other help whatever
Well, when it happens to him, it'll be just as nasty and brutal. You always lose things how you got them.
I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
You're the one who raised it on this thread.
Only to point out how nice it is for the country to repudiate Enoch Powell and have a non white PM.
99.99% of the electorate at the next general election will vote based on Sunak's record and policies, not his skin colour.
If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
You should be more interested in whether Tory Racists will vote for a brown PM
Even though I am ideologically opposed to Sunak's politics, If your comments are indicative of the wider Labour Party, I am inclined to vote Conservative just to piss off the left wing racists.
I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
You're the one who raised it on this thread.
Only to point out how nice it is for the country to repudiate Enoch Powell and have a non white PM.
99.99% of the electorate at the next general election will vote based on Sunak's record and policies, not his skin colour.
That's a wonderful thing, and it shouldn't be overlooked. Just a shame it's him.
I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
I couldn't give a toss about his skin colour.
I support Sunak because he's by far the best candidate.
We need to get beyond this.
It's like when I got married to an English native, it was like whatever.
If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.
Wouldn't that make him also the first PM to avow a religion other than Christianity?
Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss was
To be a little more specific, it was founded by the 48th Bishop of Winchester. Not by Tim Dakin or whoever his successor is now he's been fired.
There are 47 known BoWs before Willie Wykeham? Are you sure?
No, because it's very uncertain whether some of them were Bishop or not, and also whether you count the bishops of Dorchester. But it had been going for over 700 years at that point, so it was at around the halfway stage of its existence. 47 doesn't seem far out.
Wow.
Dorchester Dorset or Dorchester Oxon?
Dorchester Oxon.
Which, confusingly, was also for some time in the 9th century the seats of the Bishops of what is now Lincoln.
If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
NYT readers are going to be extremely confused that the racist UK led by the racist Tory party have elected Sunak....
I've already written the PB thread if Sunak becomes PM.
'Enoch Powell was right, the darkies do now have the whip hand over white British people.'
Why are you going on about race like this? I don't know anyone in my circles that would speak about things in these terms, let alone think them, except my friend who is a card carrying member of the Conservative Party.
You have got think and speak back to front
Yes you're probably right although I liked putting it that way around for ontological reasons.
I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
You're the one who raised it on this thread.
Only to point out how nice it is for the country to repudiate Enoch Powell and have a non white PM.
99.99% of the electorate at the next general election will vote based on Sunak's record and policies, not his skin colour.
Not sure i would go as high as 99.99%....there are still some old school racists, then the fact he is Indian heritage / Hindu will have some unwilling to vote for him on that alone.
I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
You're the one who raised it on this thread.
Only to point out how nice it is for the country to repudiate Enoch Powell and have a non white PM.
99.99% of the electorate at the next general election will vote based on Sunak's record and policies, not his skin colour.
I don't think Labour will get quite that share of the vote.
I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
You're the one who raised it on this thread.
Only to point out how nice it is for the country to repudiate Enoch Powell and have a non white PM.
99.99% of the electorate at the next general election will vote based on Sunak's record and policies, not his skin colour.
I would say 90% of Tory voters but you should know better than i as i have never suffered from racism or voted Tory
I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
You're the one who raised it on this thread.
Only to point out how nice it is for the country to repudiate Enoch Powell and have a non white PM.
99.99% of the electorate at the next general election will vote based on Sunak's record and policies, not his skin colour.
I'm completely baffled by what's going on about race in the last few minutes on here. I just don't get it.
It's wonderful if an Asian heritage person is PM of this country, as it would be if they're from any racial mix of whatever type.
The thing I most love about Britain is that at its best it is a melting pot of peoples from all sorts of diverse backgrounds.
So bravo to the tories if they elect him their leader and my views on the lack of diverse leadership in the Labour Party have been well aired on here previously.
Let's be deeply thankful that this country can have a leader who isn't just a 'white anglo-saxon protestant'
If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.
Wouldn't that make him also the first PM to avow a religion other than Christianity?
Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss was
To be a little more specific, it was founded by the 48th Bishop of Winchester. Not by Tim Dakin or whoever his successor is now he's been fired.
There are 47 known BoWs before Willie Wykeham? Are you sure?
No, because it's very uncertain whether some of them were Bishop or not, and also whether you count the bishops of Dorchester. But it had been going for over 700 years at that point, so it was at around the halfway stage of its existence. 47 doesn't seem far out.
Wow.
Dorchester Dorset or Dorchester Oxon?
Dorchester Oxon.
Which, confusingly, was also for some time in the 9th century the seats of the Bishops of what is now Lincoln.
Visited there twice when seeing friends in Oxford. The two things I recall most are
(a) the bridge over the Thames at the Iron Age promontory fort - apparently a pooh sticks prime site (b) the hump in the allotments marking the Roman town wall and ditch. I always wondered if the allotment keepers have to place their veg appropriately - carrots over the wall and turnips over the ditch or whatever.
Jolyon Maugham thinks that only lawyers have access to the "cultural elite".
@JolyonMaugham If you haven't practiced law you won't have heard the alienating language of the cultural elites - of clubs and school ties, of Classics and Greats, of Opera and Rugby. It is used, sometimes quite deliberately, by some judges to alienate those from the 'wrong' side of the tracks.
Jolyon seems the like of person who has told me that I've never experienced racism because I was privately educated, the son of a doctor, and earn decent money.
I do remember in my time as a solicitor, a High Court Judge having a dispute with a barrister over the pronunciation of a bit of Latin and saying I'll take your word for it, you went to a better school than I did. The HCJ was father of the barrister and the schools in q were both, natch, public schools. I thought that was more than a bit eeeeuw, and kinda reinforces the fox thwacker's point.
Another politician to lead, resign and then regain the leadership is one Matthew Guy, the Opposition Liberal leader in Victoria.
The state votes at the end of November and last time Labor won 42.9% to the Coalition 35.2% which, on the two-party preference (TPP) vote was Labor 57.3% and the Coalition 42.7%
In terms of seats in the Victoria Labor won 55, the Coalition 27, the Greens 3 and Others 3.
The latest Roy Morgan poll has Labor on 42%, the Coalition on 28% and the Greens on 14.5% with the TPP showing Labor on 60% and the Coalition on 40%.
This suggests a likely increased majority for Labor and another poor result for the Liberals and Nationals after the Federal election.
I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imo
Having said that JL Partners...... Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current: 🌹LAB: 51% 🌳CON: 25%
Johnson: 🌹LAB: 46% 🌳CON: 36%
Sunak: 🌹LAB: 46% 🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt: 🌹LAB: 50% 🌳CON: 28% (Caveat in that she’s widely unknown)
So Boris does fractionally better than Rishi there then, though both do miles better against Labour than Truss does or Mordaunt would
If the Tories manage 35 and certainly 36 in a GE i see no chance of a Lab Majority
The Tories polled a fair bit higher than that in both 1945 and 1966!
Yes but im assuming LDs get 10 to 14%, SNP 3 or 4%, Greens at least 3%, that leaves Labour on max 45ish and probably ca 41%, HP territory, very slim majority upper end.
Having said that Con 35 is hopeful imo unless things stabilise and are not as bad as feared
Jolyon Maugham thinks that only lawyers have access to the "cultural elite".
@JolyonMaugham If you haven't practiced law you won't have heard the alienating language of the cultural elites - of clubs and school ties, of Classics and Greats, of Opera and Rugby. It is used, sometimes quite deliberately, by some judges to alienate those from the 'wrong' side of the tracks.
Jolyon seems the like of person who has told me that I've never experienced racism because I was privately educated, the son of a doctor, and earn decent money.
I do remember in my time as a solicitor, a High Court Judge having a dispute with a barrister over the pronunciation of a bit of Latin and saying I'll take your word for it, you went to a better school than I did. The HCJ was father of the barrister and the schools in q were both, natch, public schools. I thought that was more than a bit eeeeuw, and kinda reinforces the fox thwacker's point.
That sounds incredibly dodgy. Aren't judges meant to recuse themselves from hearing cases put forward by family members? If not, they should be.
Jolyon Maugham thinks that only lawyers have access to the "cultural elite".
@JolyonMaugham If you haven't practiced law you won't have heard the alienating language of the cultural elites - of clubs and school ties, of Classics and Greats, of Opera and Rugby. It is used, sometimes quite deliberately, by some judges to alienate those from the 'wrong' side of the tracks.
Jolyon seems the like of person who has told me that I've never experienced racism because I was privately educated, the son of a doctor, and earn decent money.
I do remember in my time as a solicitor, a High Court Judge having a dispute with a barrister over the pronunciation of a bit of Latin and saying I'll take your word for it, you went to a better school than I did. The HCJ was father of the barrister and the schools in q were both, natch, public schools. I thought that was more than a bit eeeeuw, and kinda reinforces the fox thwacker's point.
Rishi will of course be our first Winchester educated PM since Henry Addington, replacing our first fully comprehensive educated PM in Liz Truss.
The posh boys are back whether it is Boris or Rishi, Eton or Winchester!
If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.
Wouldn't that make him also the first PM to avow a religion other than Christianity?
Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss was
To be a little more specific, it was founded by the 48th Bishop of Winchester. Not by Tim Dakin or whoever his successor is now he's been fired.
There are 47 known BoWs before Willie Wykeham? Are you sure?
No, because it's very uncertain whether some of them were Bishop or not, and also whether you count the bishops of Dorchester. But it had been going for over 700 years at that point, so it was at around the halfway stage of its existence. 47 doesn't seem far out.
Wow.
Dorchester Dorset or Dorchester Oxon?
Dorchester Oxon.
Which, confusingly, was also for some time in the 9th century the seats of the Bishops of what is now Lincoln.
Get thee to Gloucester, Wessex. Do thee to Essex, Exeter. Fair Albany to Somerset must eke his route. And Scroop, do you to Westmoreland, where shall bold York, Enrouted now for Lancaster, with forces of our Uncle Rutland, Enjoin his standard with sweet Norfolk's host. Fair Sussex, get thee to Warwicksbourne, And there, with frowning purpose, tell our plan To Bedford's tilted ear, that he shall press With most insensate speed And join his warlike effort to bold Dorset's side. I most royally shall now to bed, To sleep off all the nonsense I've just said.
IF yours truly was Liz Truss, would begin immediately with plans, preparations, FUNDRAISING, etc., etc. the Liz Truss Prime Ministerial Library.
Possible US locations: Branson, Missouri; Orlando, Florida (post-cleanup); Jackpot, Nevada
Plus Keeping It In The Commonwealth: Niagara Falls, Ontario. New York has the Falls, but Canada's got the views! Also Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not, two (or three?) towers and 257 fudge-mongers.
ADDENDUM - Possible that University of Chicago MIGHT be persuaded to host the LTPML. Perhaps. Or perhaps not?
If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.
Wouldn't that make him also the first PM to avow a religion other than Christianity?
Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss was
To be a little more specific, it was founded by the 48th Bishop of Winchester. Not by Tim Dakin or whoever his successor is now he's been fired.
There are 47 known BoWs before Willie Wykeham? Are you sure?
No, because it's very uncertain whether some of them were Bishop or not, and also whether you count the bishops of Dorchester. But it had been going for over 700 years at that point, so it was at around the halfway stage of its existence. 47 doesn't seem far out.
Wow.
Dorchester Dorset or Dorchester Oxon?
Dorchester Oxon.
Which, confusingly, was also for some time in the 9th century the seats of the Bishops of what is now Lincoln.
I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imo
Having said that JL Partners...... Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current: 🌹LAB: 51% 🌳CON: 25%
Johnson: 🌹LAB: 46% 🌳CON: 36%
Sunak: 🌹LAB: 46% 🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt: 🌹LAB: 50% 🌳CON: 28% (Caveat in that she’s widely unknown)
So Boris does fractionally better than Rishi there then, though both do miles better against Labour than Truss does or Mordaunt would
If the Tories manage 35 and certainly 36 in a GE i see no chance of a Lab Majority
The Tories polled a fair bit higher than that in both 1945 and 1966!
Yes but im assuming LDs get 10 to 14%, SNP 3 or 4%, Greens at least 3%, that leaves Labour on max 45ish and probably ca 41%, HP territory, very slim majority upper end.
Having said that Con 35 is hopeful imo unless things stabilise and are not as bad as feared
The danger for the Conservative Party, under your scenario, is massive tactical voting. Don't forget 2005, when the Labour Party led the Conservatives by just three points, and yet got a 66 seat majority.
If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
You should be more interested in whether Tory Racists will vote for a brown PM
Even though I am ideologically opposed to Sunak's politics, If your comments are indicative of the wider Labour Party, I am inclined to vote Conservative just to piss off the left wing racists.
Starmer fans please explain.
Me too welcome to the club but in my case it would be to piss off all the racists whether left right or Centrist
If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.
Wouldn't that make him also the first PM to avow a religion other than Christianity?
Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss was
To be a little more specific, it was founded by the 48th Bishop of Winchester. Not by Tim Dakin or whoever his successor is now he's been fired.
There are 47 known BoWs before Willie Wykeham? Are you sure?
No, because it's very uncertain whether some of them were Bishop or not, and also whether you count the bishops of Dorchester. But it had been going for over 700 years at that point, so it was at around the halfway stage of its existence. 47 doesn't seem far out.
Wow.
Dorchester Dorset or Dorchester Oxon?
Dorchester Oxon.
Which, confusingly, was also for some time in the 9th century the seats of the Bishops of what is now Lincoln.
Get thee to Gloucester, Wessex. Do thee to Essex, Exeter. Fair Albany to Somerset must eke his route. And Scroop, do you to Westmoreland, where shall bold York, Enrouted now for Lancaster, with forces of our Uncle Rutland, Enjoin his standard with sweet Norfolk's host. Fair Sussex, get thee to Warwicksbourne, And there, with frowning purpose, tell our plan To Bedford's tilted ear, that he shall press With most insensate speed And join his warlike effort to bold Dorset's side. I most royally shall now to bed, To sleep off all the nonsense I've just said.
Good night, sweet Prince And flights of Miller's sing thee to thy rest.
I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
And two psychopaths at the Home Office. And I for one think that the Conservative Party's commitment to neurodiversity is very laudable.
I actually think it is a hugely positive thing that a non-white or a woman being elected to some of the highest offices in the land doesn't actually really get much press focusing upon that these days.
I'm in a few Tory association WhatsApp groups, some Red Wall.
All the bile raised towards Sunak is all to do with the betrayal of Boris Johnson, not his skin colour.
We had four non white people in a row as Chancellor, skin colour hardly mentioned, all the focus was on policies.
You're the one who raised it on this thread.
Only to point out how nice it is for the country to repudiate Enoch Powell and have a non white PM.
99.99% of the electorate at the next general election will vote based on Sunak's record and policies, not his skin colour.
Fair enough. I wish I could believe it is as high a percentage as that.
Sadly, I would guess there are more racists out there than that, may be a few %, but a dying breed of idiots thankfully.
But what is increasingly clear is that Johnson’s comeback is failing to convince some of the people who he would have hoped to have rallied behind him.
I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imo
Having said that JL Partners...... Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current: 🌹LAB: 51% 🌳CON: 25%
Johnson: 🌹LAB: 46% 🌳CON: 36%
Sunak: 🌹LAB: 46% 🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt: 🌹LAB: 50% 🌳CON: 28% (Caveat in that she’s widely unknown)
So Boris does fractionally better than Rishi there then, though both do miles better against Labour than Truss does or Mordaunt would
If the Tories manage 35 and certainly 36 in a GE i see no chance of a Lab Majority
How they're meant to poll that well, even assuming over two years to try to pull it together before the next election, I do not know. They're toxic waste to almost the whole of the younger half of the electorate, we've still got public service cuts and tax rises to come, the effects of interest rate hikes on the housing market are only just beginning to be felt, and at least a large fraction of the population is facing colossal energy price hikes from the Spring.
It leaves them critically reliant on the fogeys to rescue them from a wipeout. Even if the money is found down the back of the Treasury sofa both to afford a 10% hike in the value of the state pension *and* to rescue the entire pensioner population from the fuel price increases (via a gargantuan bung to be recouped, of course, from everyone else,) all the owner occupiers are still going to be fed a constant diet of screaming in the Dementia Press about plummeting house prices. And who's going to get the blame for that?
And Sleepy Joe has his finger on the launch button
Not that one. It's out of service, like all Titans. Leon is visiting a site museum.
If we went to WW3 nothing to stop them being recommissioned
Time and technology constraints. Quite often the original docs have been thrown out as garbage, or if "computerised" are on now-unreadable magnetic tape and such.
And Sleepy Joe has his finger on the launch button
Not that one. It's out of service, like all Titans. Leon is visiting a site museum.
If we went to WW3 nothing to stop them being recommissioned
Storage for decomissioned weapons would be targets of the initial countermeasure strikes. Recommissioning anything that survives on either side is unlikely in the chaos that will ensue
If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Just a point of order.
Rupa Huq and RedWall Labour gammon aside, the Conservative Party are not without recent instances of racial outrage. Just ask Baroness Warsi, although what I had in mind were several examples of unpunished satire. Johnsonian satire to the Greater Conservative Party looked very like 24 carat gold Islamaphobia to this snowflake.
We’re heading off on half term holiday to our French place with a day of autoroutes ahead of us.
There’s a truly mid 1990s feeling to British politics currently so my chosen new album for the drive is Now 1990s Dancefloor. 84 tracks ranging from The Key, the Secret to Insomnia via Things Can Only Get Better.
We always choose 2 albums so the second one probably needs to reflect the cusp-of-WW3 feeling. Perhaps a bit of Nena, or Frankie.
And Sleepy Joe has his finger on the launch button
Not that one. It's out of service, like all Titans. Leon is visiting a site museum.
If we went to WW3 nothing to stop them being recommissioned
Nonsense. The metalware will be corroded, and totally unsafe to load up with liquid fuel, and the electronics wildly out of date and irreplaceable, and incompatible with anything modern. The crews would last have been active in 1987, so they'll be long retired, never mind up to date with training.
You don't monkey around with an ICBM full of UDMH and dinitrogen tetroxide fuel.
The morning thread features tweets from Sam Freedman.
Bastard, you do it just to trigger me, don't you?
It gets worse, I actually agree with Sam Freedman's tweets.
I have to grudgingly admit that he is somewhat improving with age. He is no longer a completely useless twat never says anything intelligent. He is a mostly useless twat who seldom says anything intelligent.
Even though it is but a modest improvement, it does of course rule him out of any further involvement in education policy for the rest of time.
This is why I think whoever wins the contest will lead the Tories to an epochal defeat. The economy is in a very bad place.
We shouldn’t let this be buried by other news today. Foodbank charity Trussell Trust says that the need for foodbanks has outstripped donations for the first time. It has distributed 46% more emergency food parcels in August and September than at the same time in 2021.
This is why I think whoever wins the contest will lead the Tories to an epochal defeat. The economy is in a very bad place.
We shouldn’t let this be buried by other news today. Foodbank charity Trussell Trust says that the need for foodbanks has outstripped donations for the first time. It has distributed 46% more emergency food parcels in August and September than at the same time in 2021.
This is why I think whoever wins the contest will lead the Tories to an epochal defeat. The economy is in a very bad place.
We shouldn’t let this be buried by other news today. Foodbank charity Trussell Trust says that the need for foodbanks has outstripped donations for the first time. It has distributed 46% more emergency food parcels in August and September than at the same time in 2021.
I think if OGH ever entrusts me with a guest editing slot on PB, I'm going to post loads of tweets explaining why Michael Masi was the greatest F1 race director ever.
I'll have to forge them first, of course, but it might be worth it.
If Sunak does become Prime Minister I'm really looking forward to the lefties moaning that Sunak really doesn't count as an ethnic minority.
Wrong type of darkie/superficially brown.
Will he get the all important Rupa Huq seal of authenticity?
I would have thought she'd hate him given he's a Hindu.
Wouldn't that make him also the first PM to avow a religion other than Christianity?
Indeed but Sunak went to Winchester, founded by the Bishop of Winchester and is more of a traditional Tory in background than Truss was
To be a little more specific, it was founded by the 48th Bishop of Winchester. Not by Tim Dakin or whoever his successor is now he's been fired.
There are 47 known BoWs before Willie Wykeham? Are you sure?
No, because it's very uncertain whether some of them were Bishop or not, and also whether you count the bishops of Dorchester. But it had been going for over 700 years at that point, so it was at around the halfway stage of its existence. 47 doesn't seem far out.
Wow.
Dorchester Dorset or Dorchester Oxon?
Dorchester Oxon.
Which, confusingly, was also for some time in the 9th century the seats of the Bishops of what is now Lincoln.
Get thee to Gloucester, Wessex. Do thee to Essex, Exeter. Fair Albany to Somerset must eke his route. And Scroop, do you to Westmoreland, where shall bold York, Enrouted now for Lancaster, with forces of our Uncle Rutland, Enjoin his standard with sweet Norfolk's host. Fair Sussex, get thee to Warwicksbourne, And there, with frowning purpose, tell our plan To Bedford's tilted ear, that he shall press With most insensate speed And join his warlike effort to bold Dorset's side. I most royally shall now to bed, To sleep off all the nonsense I've just said.
“[Hu Jintao #胡锦涛] wasn’t feeling well during the session—his staff (for his health), accompanied him to an adjacent venue for a [needed] rest. Now—he’s much better [but we prob won’t see him for some time].”—China state media 😳
It was pathetic and as far as I’m considered has ended Ms Huq’s political career.
It is not uncommon, either. A NZ Cabinet Minister tried the same stunt last month and was forced to apologise. Sadly he is still in post.
It wont have ended her career. She wasnt sorry, then realised she had to say sorry at least, so that will be an end to it after a period in the doghouse.
I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imo
Having said that JL Partners...... Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current: 🌹LAB: 51% 🌳CON: 25%
Johnson: 🌹LAB: 46% 🌳CON: 36%
Sunak: 🌹LAB: 46% 🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt: 🌹LAB: 50% 🌳CON: 28% (Caveat in that she’s widely unknown)
So Boris does fractionally better than Rishi there then, though both do miles better against Labour than Truss does or Mordaunt would
If the Tories manage 35 and certainly 36 in a GE i see no chance of a Lab Majority
The Tories polled a fair bit higher than that in both 1945 and 1966!
Yes but im assuming LDs get 10 to 14%, SNP 3 or 4%, Greens at least 3%, that leaves Labour on max 45ish and probably ca 41%, HP territory, very slim majority upper end.
Having said that Con 35 is hopeful imo unless things stabilise and are not as bad as feared
The danger for the Conservative Party, under your scenario, is massive tactical voting. Don't forget 2005, when the Labour Party led the Conservatives by just three points, and yet got a 66 seat majority.
1997 is a good example. I know plenty of Lib Dems who were actively involved in the 1997 election who are utterly incredulous on being informed that the Lib Dem vote share FELL in 1997 whilst they celebrated 28 net gains, and have to be shown the figures.
When people decide it's a change election, it can be really quite brutal.
“[Hu Jintao #胡锦涛] wasn’t feeling well during the session—his staff (for his health), accompanied him to an adjacent venue for a [needed] rest. Now—he’s much better [but we prob won’t see him for some time].”—China state media 😳
And Sleepy Joe has his finger on the launch button
Not that one. It's out of service, like all Titans. Leon is visiting a site museum.
If we went to WW3 nothing to stop them being recommissioned
Nonsense. The metalware will be corroded, and totally unsafe to load up with liquid fuel, and the electronics wildly out of date and irreplaceable, and incompatible with anything modern. The crews would last have been active in 1987, so they'll be long retired, never mind up to date with training.
You don't monkey around with an ICBM full of UDMH and dinitrogen tetroxide fuel.
This is why I think whoever wins the contest will lead the Tories to an epochal defeat. The economy is in a very bad place.
We shouldn’t let this be buried by other news today. Foodbank charity Trussell Trust says that the need for foodbanks has outstripped donations for the first time. It has distributed 46% more emergency food parcels in August and September than at the same time in 2021.
Well snobs like you will at least be grateful to know that if the poor working class all go back to Labour now Brexit is done, Boris is gone and they are eating at foodbanks, while the £730 million net worth Sunaks are at No 10 it may be safe to tell ones posh rich friends you are voting Tory again for the first time since Cameron
We’re heading off on half term holiday to our French place with a day of autoroutes ahead of us.
There’s a truly mid 1990s feeling to British politics currently so my chosen new album for the drive is Now 1990s Dancefloor. 84 tracks ranging from The Key, the Secret to Insomnia via Things Can Only Get Better.
We always choose 2 albums so the second one probably needs to reflect the cusp-of-WW3 feeling. Perhaps a bit of Nena, or Frankie.
I think if OGH ever entrusts me with a guest editing slot on PB, I'm going to post loads of tweets explaining why Michael Masi was the greatest F1 race director ever.
I'll have to forge them first, of course, but it might be worth it.
Just use why Verstappen beat Hamilton fair and square last season. Absurd, of course, but plenty of genuine material to work with.
It was pathetic and as far as I’m considered has ended Ms Huq’s political career.
It is not uncommon, either. A NZ Cabinet Minister tried the same stunt last month and was forced to apologise. Sadly he is still in post.
It wont have ended her career. She wasnt sorry, then realised she had to say sorry at least, so that will be an end to it after a period in the doghouse.
This is why I think whoever wins the contest will lead the Tories to an epochal defeat. The economy is in a very bad place.
We shouldn’t let this be buried by other news today. Foodbank charity Trussell Trust says that the need for foodbanks has outstripped donations for the first time. It has distributed 46% more emergency food parcels in August and September than at the same time in 2021.
Well snobs like you will at least be grateful to know that if the poor working class all go back to Labour now Brexit is done and they are eating at foodbanks, while the £730 million net worth Sunaks are at No 10 it may be safe to tell ones posh rich friends you are voting Tory again for the first time since Cameron
You're not a Tory, you're a socialist with your politics of envy post.
“[Hu Jintao #胡锦涛] wasn’t feeling well during the session—his staff (for his health), accompanied him to an adjacent venue for a [needed] rest. Now—he’s much better [but we prob won’t see him for some time].”—China state media 😳
This is why I think whoever wins the contest will lead the Tories to an epochal defeat. The economy is in a very bad place.
We shouldn’t let this be buried by other news today. Foodbank charity Trussell Trust says that the need for foodbanks has outstripped donations for the first time. It has distributed 46% more emergency food parcels in August and September than at the same time in 2021.
Well snobs like you will at least be grateful to know that if the poor working class all go back to Labour now Brexit is done and they are eating at foodbanks, while the £730 million net worth Sunaks are at No 10 it may be safe to tell ones posh rich friends you are voting Tory again for the first time since Cameron
You're not a Tory, you're a socialist with your politics of envy post.
No. Like you I voted for Cameron too with the posh snobs, just unlike you I also voted for Boris with the working class oiks too
I expect polling to return to the status Truss ante under Sunak.
I think it gets under 20 lead but higher than pre Truss as permanent damage has been done. 10 will be low end/opinium with the average mid high teens imo
Having said that JL Partners...... Voting intentions conducted by @JLPartnersPolls for Labour against every possible Tory leader…
Current: 🌹LAB: 51% 🌳CON: 25%
Johnson: 🌹LAB: 46% 🌳CON: 36%
Sunak: 🌹LAB: 46% 🌳CON: 35%
Mordaunt: 🌹LAB: 50% 🌳CON: 28% (Caveat in that she’s widely unknown)
So Boris does fractionally better than Rishi there then, though both do miles better against Labour than Truss does or Mordaunt would
If the Tories manage 35 and certainly 36 in a GE i see no chance of a Lab Majority
The Tories polled a fair bit higher than that in both 1945 and 1966!
Yes but im assuming LDs get 10 to 14%, SNP 3 or 4%, Greens at least 3%, that leaves Labour on max 45ish and probably ca 41%, HP territory, very slim majority upper end.
Having said that Con 35 is hopeful imo unless things stabilise and are not as bad as feared
If Labour recovers to win circa 15 seats in Scotland, the GB lead needed for a majority will fall back somewhat.
This is why I think whoever wins the contest will lead the Tories to an epochal defeat. The economy is in a very bad place.
We shouldn’t let this be buried by other news today. Foodbank charity Trussell Trust says that the need for foodbanks has outstripped donations for the first time. It has distributed 46% more emergency food parcels in August and September than at the same time in 2021.
They spoke to some people on radio 4 recently who said that they always used to donate to food banks, but now they were needing to use them, so unless other people have donated more it's hard to see how donations could not have fallen.
Wonder if Sunak and Johnson had the meeting at the Granita for a laugh
(It's now an estate agents apparently )
'So, Al, we can't eat anything but I just wanted you to look at these house prices. You own several houses and if you become PM again the prices will crash.'
'Er, cripes, really? Well that's a bit, I mean, that's quite worrying. Are you suggesting that, that I perhaps might, might, back you instead for, what, umm, reasons?'
'I'm suggesting Al that if I become PM your money is a hell of a lot safer than if you do.'
'I don't, really, I don't see how I can refuse. What will you, will you offer me?'
'Nothing, Al. Your withdrawal and backing just saves you from penury.'
“[Hu Jintao #胡锦涛] wasn’t feeling well during the session—his staff (for his health), accompanied him to an adjacent venue for a [needed] rest. Now—he’s much better [but we prob won’t see him for some time].”—China state media 😳
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99.99% of the electorate at the next general election will vote based on Sunak's record and policies, not his skin colour.
Starmer fans please explain.
Which, confusingly, was also for some time in the 9th century the seats of the Bishops of what is now Lincoln.
In any other context it looks insufferably pompous, even if it's technically correct.
It's wonderful if an Asian heritage person is PM of this country, as it would be if they're from any racial mix of whatever type.
The thing I most love about Britain is that at its best it is a melting pot of peoples from all sorts of diverse backgrounds.
So bravo to the tories if they elect him their leader and my views on the lack of diverse leadership in the Labour Party have been well aired on here previously.
Let's be deeply thankful that this country can have a leader who isn't just a 'white anglo-saxon protestant'
Youre too good to need to get 'likes' from the sort of Tory poster who'll enjoy nonsense like that
(a) the bridge over the Thames at the Iron Age promontory fort - apparently a pooh sticks prime site
(b) the hump in the allotments marking the Roman town wall and ditch. I always wondered if the allotment keepers have to place their veg appropriately - carrots over the wall and turnips over the ditch or whatever.
The state votes at the end of November and last time Labor won 42.9% to the Coalition 35.2% which, on the two-party preference (TPP) vote was Labor 57.3% and the Coalition 42.7%
In terms of seats in the Victoria Labor won 55, the Coalition 27, the Greens 3 and Others 3.
The latest Roy Morgan poll has Labor on 42%, the Coalition on 28% and the Greens on 14.5% with the TPP showing Labor on 60% and the Coalition on 40%.
This suggests a likely increased majority for Labor and another poor result for the Liberals and Nationals after the Federal election.
Fuck
Just completely Satanic
Mayor of London Sadiq Khan believes comments made by MP Rupa Huq about Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng were "racist".
Ms Huq called Mr Kwarteng "superficially" black at a Labour Party conference fringe event.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63052522
Having said that Con 35 is hopeful imo unless things stabilise and are not as bad as feared
The posh boys are back whether it is Boris or Rishi, Eton or Winchester!
Fair Albany to Somerset must eke his route.
And Scroop, do you to Westmoreland, where shall bold York,
Enrouted now for Lancaster, with forces of our Uncle Rutland,
Enjoin his standard with sweet Norfolk's host.
Fair Sussex, get thee to Warwicksbourne,
And there, with frowning purpose, tell our plan
To Bedford's tilted ear, that he shall press
With most insensate speed
And join his warlike effort to bold Dorset's side.
I most royally shall now to bed,
To sleep off all the nonsense I've just said.
Possible US locations: Branson, Missouri; Orlando, Florida (post-cleanup); Jackpot, Nevada
Plus Keeping It In The Commonwealth: Niagara Falls, Ontario. New York has the Falls, but Canada's got the views! Also Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not, two (or three?) towers and 257 fudge-mongers.
ADDENDUM - Possible that University of Chicago MIGHT be persuaded to host the LTPML. Perhaps. Or perhaps not?
No Dorchester
Political generation, as Rishi is a youngster after all. And would be a very swift journey to no. 10.
It is not uncommon, either.
A NZ Cabinet Minister tried the same stunt last month and was forced to apologise. Sadly he is still in post.
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/home-secretarys-anger-peterborough-labour-activists-coconut-jibe-295970
And flights of Miller's sing thee to thy rest.
Sadly, I would guess there are more racists out there than that, may be a few %, but a dying breed of idiots thankfully.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-the-boris-campaign-losing-momentum-
It leaves them critically reliant on the fogeys to rescue them from a wipeout. Even if the money is found down the back of the Treasury sofa both to afford a 10% hike in the value of the state pension *and* to rescue the entire pensioner population from the fuel price increases (via a gargantuan bung to be recouped, of course, from everyone else,) all the owner occupiers are still going to be fed a constant diet of screaming in the Dementia Press about plummeting house prices. And who's going to get the blame for that?
And the whole thing is risibly dildonic.
@kelechnekoff
Is Rishi a brown puppet of white supremacy?
https://twitter.com/kelechnekoff/status/1555077693233848325
The morning thread features tweets from Sam Freedman.
Rupa Huq and RedWall Labour gammon aside, the Conservative Party are not without recent instances of racial outrage. Just ask Baroness Warsi, although what I had in mind were several examples of unpunished satire. Johnsonian satire to the Greater Conservative Party looked very like 24 carat gold Islamaphobia to this snowflake.
There’s a truly mid 1990s feeling to British politics currently so my chosen new album for the drive is Now 1990s Dancefloor. 84 tracks ranging from The Key, the Secret to Insomnia via Things Can Only Get Better.
We always choose 2 albums so the second one probably needs to reflect the cusp-of-WW3 feeling. Perhaps a bit of Nena, or Frankie.
You don't monkey around with an ICBM full of UDMH and dinitrogen tetroxide fuel.
Pseph kitchens!
Even though it is but a modest improvement, it does of course rule him out of any further involvement in education policy for the rest of time.
We shouldn’t let this be buried by other news today. Foodbank charity Trussell Trust says that the need for foodbanks has outstripped donations for the first time. It has distributed 46% more emergency food parcels in August and September than at the same time in 2021.
https://twitter.com/BasitMahmood91/status/1583181523552849920
I'll have to forge them first, of course, but it might be worth it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oqzy8HU6dQ
And why, even ?
https://twitter.com/wes_andrews/status/1583900439933657089?s=46&t=TJw5D5DzLQ8NqlYaE876ow
When people decide it's a change election, it can be really quite brutal.
So that's my vote for the Ashfield Independents then, probably.
Absurd, of course, but plenty of genuine material to work with.
https://youtu.be/bfpi5oIFx-Q
🚨 30% Tory voters now moved to Labour – up 5% from two weeks ago
🚨 Two thirds of adults believe there should be a general election
https://twitter.com/ryansabey/status/1583899244674486272
Note - this example is from China.
(It's now an estate agents apparently
Actually I'd market my house with them, Johnson fronting the showings and Sunak doing the books.
'Er, cripes, really? Well that's a bit, I mean, that's quite worrying. Are you suggesting that, that I perhaps might, might, back you instead for, what, umm, reasons?'
'I'm suggesting Al that if I become PM your money is a hell of a lot safer than if you do.'
'I don't, really, I don't see how I can refuse. What will you, will you offer me?'
'Nothing, Al. Your withdrawal and backing just saves you from penury.'
'Done, Rishi old boy!'