NEW A meeting of the 1922 executives is now getting underway in the Palace of Westminster. The leaership timetable is not on the agenda. But one attendee told me: "I would not want to prejudge what they are going to decide."
Off-topic, but a reminder of the challenges of 'levelling up' (remember that?): In Walsall, there is a difference of almost thirty years in life expectancy between the poor and well-off parts of the borough. Just staggering:
I’m not usually one to chime in on amateur diagnosis, but I think she might have had a panic attack earlier and doesn’t want people to know. I suffer from anxiety quite badly (hence why I’m not often on here) and she looks like she’s crashing off an adrenaline surge. That’s exactly how I look when I’ve had a panic attack. The blinking is because you’re trying to stay awake. You’re not taking anything in when you’re in that state. I can’t stand her policies but that’s a bloody awful state to be in if that is indeed what has happened.
Off-topic, but a reminder of the challenges of 'levelling up' (remember that?): In Walsall, there is a difference of almost thirty years in life expectancy between the poor and well-off parts of the borough. Just staggering:
Penny looks incredibly serious every time she explains why Truss isn't there. It doesn't look made up. One really hopes it is not something serious.
I'm not watching, so...
"every time"? How many opposition MPs have wasted their question by repeating a question someone else has asked?
About eleven of them.
Which was doubly stupid because that gave Mordaunt an easy answer. When there were different questions, like Johnson's superb 'will the PM not take further part in economic decision making' she found it far, far tougher.
Fucking hell. I mean, I know the quality of Labour backbenchers isn't great, because these are the people who could stomach running in support of Corbyn in 2019, but come on...
It wasn't just them, the SNP were as bad.
Oh, well that's taken as read. I don't expect anything from a bunch of separatists who don't even want to be there and are only there to cause trouble.
I’m not usually one to chime in on amateur diagnosis, but I think she might have had a panic attack earlier and doesn’t want people to know. I suffer from anxiety quite badly (hence why I’m not often on here) and she looks like she’s crashing off an adrenaline surge. That’s exactly how I look when I’ve had a panic attack. The blinking is because you’re trying to stay awake. You’re not taking anything in when you’re in that state. I can’t stand her policies but that’s a bloody awful state to be in if that is indeed what has happened.
Commiserations. I sadly know all too well what a panic attack is like.
Not sure about Truss, but it would not be surprising given the last few days. Lack of sleep and massive amounts of caffeine wont be helping.
'Russia's Defense Ministry: "while climbing to perform a training flight from the military airfield of the Southern Military District, a Su-34 aircraft crashed. The plane crashed in the city of Yeisk" "According to the report of the ejected pilots, the cause of the plane crash was the ignition of one of the engines during takeoff. At the crash site of the Su-34 in the courtyard of one of the residential quarters, the plane's fuel caught fire"'
The "tory mortgage premium". That's good. I like that.
Its trite nonsense. Especially as the very statement/action she's critiquing is predicted to drastically cut back likely rate rises. Shes better than Dodds though. But Burgon would be better than Dodds. Or Sultana. Or anyone
Trite nonsense is often effective.
This one, however, risks being a major hostage to fortune.
The "tory mortgage premium". That's good. I like that.
Its trite nonsense. Especially as the very statement/action she's critiquing is predicted to drastically cut back likely rate rises. Shes better than Dodds though. But Burgon would be better than Dodds. Or Sultana. Or anyone
All soundbites are to some extent. But what Labour need to do is put this on the Tories so it sticks, just as the Tories (with far less justification) did with Labour and the global financial crisis. And I think this phrase has potential for this. That's why I liked it. We need people thinking for years to come, "I'm paying more on my mortgage because of the tories".
The "tory mortgage premium". That's good. I like that.
Its trite nonsense. Especially as the very statement/action she's critiquing is predicted to drastically cut back likely rate rises. Shes better than Dodds though. But Burgon would be better than Dodds. Or Sultana. Or anyone
All soundbites are to some extent. But what Labour need to do is put this on the Tories so it sticks, just as the Tories (with far less justification) did with Labour and the global financial crisis. And I think this phrase has potential for this. That's why I liked it. We need people thinking for years to come, "I'm paying more on my mortgage because of the tories".
Quite. the dementia tax was not in fact a tax, and not in fact on dementia.
Remarkably big score for the Tories – a fifth of the country claim to still support them. I hadn't realised the circus population was that large.
The local by election results of the last 3 weeks should show you the Tory vote isnt going to just dissolve. I'd expect even right now they'd get over 25% in an actual GE. There is enough fear and hatred of Labour where the Tories are the only alternative to drive nose peg voting
Eagle’s numbers seem to have overlooked that 19% tax was already in the plan from 2024 and now rises to 20%. That move by Hunt helps balance the books.
Kevin Schofield @KevinASchofield · 31m Liz Truss looks utterly broken as chancellor Jeremy Hunt, standing less than two feet away, sets fire to the entire economic strategy on which she was elected prime minister six weeks ago.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
So that heavily blinking person sat next to Hunt during his speech a few minutes ago was a malfuctioning robot, not the PM?
Would explain a lot.
She looked like she was struggling to keep her eyes open. Possibly not slept in days. She needs to go but she also has my sympathy as it must be terrible to be in that position. To want the top job but then immediately finding yourself manifestly incapable of it. For her own health now more than anything else she should step down. She might get quite a bit of sympathy if she held her hand up now.
Laying Penny Mordaunt for next con leader at ~4/1 looks like a decent bet to me.
One failed leadership campaign and one decent commons performance does not a heavyweight make.
This is no time for an amateur.
In all reality, the next PM is not going to be doing much that isn’t signed off three times by the cabinet and the Chancellor. They are going to be there to give an air of competence, to look the part and to explain and sell policy to the British people.
The party is too divided and the economic situation too critical for the PM to be doing much else.
I think Penny, with Hunt behind her, has a decent shout at it to be honest.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
The "tory mortgage premium". That's good. I like that.
Its trite nonsense. Especially as the very statement/action she's critiquing is predicted to drastically cut back likely rate rises. Shes better than Dodds though. But Burgon would be better than Dodds. Or Sultana. Or anyone
All soundbites are to some extent. But what Labour need to do is put this on the Tories so it sticks, just as the Tories (with far less justification) did with Labour and the global financial crisis. And I think this phrase has potential for this. That's why I liked it. We need people thinking for years to come, "I'm paying more on my mortgage because of the tories".
Like I said, it's a major hostage to fortune - eveyone knows mortgage rates have been too low for too long. If they go up again once Sir Keir is in...
I’m not usually one to chime in on amateur diagnosis, but I think she might have had a panic attack earlier and doesn’t want people to know. I suffer from anxiety quite badly (hence why I’m not often on here) and she looks like she’s crashing off an adrenaline surge. That’s exactly how I look when I’ve had a panic attack. The blinking is because you’re trying to stay awake. You’re not taking anything in when you’re in that state. I can’t stand her policies but that’s a bloody awful state to be in if that is indeed what has happened.
Commiserations. I sadly know all too well what a panic attack is like.
Not sure about Truss, but it would not be surprising given the last few days. Lack of sleep and massive amounts of caffeine wont be helping.
Two weeks ago I was off sick with anxiety thanks to two months of unpleasant personal circumstances landing on my head. Caffeine was definitely my enemy. I had too much yesterday as well which wasn’t smart.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
Would be nice if someone did a bet to predict how many of those 3 happen in the next parliament
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Bring it on. We will rout the FBPE fools once again
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Bring it on. We will rout the FBPE fools once again
Don't think porkies on a bus are going to cut it this time
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
too many things too quickly.
If Labour has a majority it's hard to see how IndyRef2 comes into place and likewise rejoining has to be a longer term project.
The important change in the next election is to change our electoral system so that we aren't left with a 2 party system where 1 or other has the risk of being hijacked towards the extremes.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
Would probably be wise to do in that order - rejoin and there’ll be less of the issue of friction at the England / Scottish border
Though what last few weeks have probably shown is how important the markets are - would Scotland not have similar challenges to what we’ve just seen? Would take some reassuring for the undecideds
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Bring it on. We will rout the FBPE fools once again
Don't think porkies on a bus are going to cut it this time
Just play a loop of James O'Brien being an utter turd. Sorted. War with France by lunch
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
You reckon Starmer's looking at the seat calculations and thinking 'We need PR'?
It is ELE. And this afternoon has made it worse. And tomorrow will make it worse. Then PMQs on Wednesday and it gets worse again. The government are now down to a forecast of 22 seats. Tactical voting could make it worse than that. So we are facing a Canada 93 scenario without as HY suggests a big seat haul for Nigel Farage.
Headline – biggest polling lead for 25 yrs – obscures worse figures within: - Tories (16%) losing to Don't Know (17%) - Gvt competence at -60 (67% anti, only 7% pro) - Truss' personal rating is -61 (70% disapprove, only 9% approve) - Preference for Starmer (60%) over Truss (13%) https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1582038729694191616
That noise you can hear outside is the sound of Sunak laughing his tits off in a nice garden somewhere in N Yorkshire.
Not sure why. Whoever got into the final 2, it wasn't going to be him winning. Tory MPs have themselves to blame for voting for Rishi rather than Penny if they new Truss was going to be a disaster. Penny would have beaten Truss. Rishi was never going to.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
too many things too quickly.
If Labour has a majority it's hard to see how IndyRef2 comes into place and likewise rejoining has to be a longer term project.
The important change in the next election is to change our electoral system so that we aren't left with a 2 party system where 1 or other has the risk of being hijacked towards the extremes.
Yes, the biggest worry about the current situation is Labour hubris after a big win and any chance of reform being shelved again. We need Mordaunt and Hunt to put the Tories back into the game.
Truss should not have gone in to the Commons in that state. It was about the worst possible thing to do; go in, sit down for 20 minutes, say nothing, and then leave. It suggests that she is having a breakdown and no one is taking control of the situation. This is now just getting very weird and sad, I think it is possible we will see a resignation for medical reasons, and the sooner this happens the better.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
You reckon Starmer's looking at the seat calculations and thinking 'We need PR'?
'Id like to make it much harder to implememt manifesto commitments'
The "tory mortgage premium". That's good. I like that.
Its trite nonsense. Especially as the very statement/action she's critiquing is predicted to drastically cut back likely rate rises. Shes better than Dodds though. But Burgon would be better than Dodds. Or Sultana. Or anyone
All soundbites are to some extent. But what Labour need to do is put this on the Tories so it sticks, just as the Tories (with far less justification) did with Labour and the global financial crisis. And I think this phrase has potential for this. That's why I liked it. We need people thinking for years to come, "I'm paying more on my mortgage because of the tories".
Like I said, it's a major hostage to fortune - eveyone knows mortgage rates have been too low for too long. If they go up again once Sir Keir is in...
Labour can keep blaming the Tories for the next 12 years. After all the current situation is still all Brown's fault.
The National Grid CEO has warned British households to prepare for blackouts between 4pm and 7pm on “really, really cold” weekdays in January and February
Not really going to help between 4 and 7pm in January and February.
Sandy is being sarcastic...
But - so long as you have decent amounts of storage - he's not wrong. If you have lots of gas storage, then it's the amount of gas you burn over the year that matters, not the amount you need on a cold day in February at 5pm.
The problem is that the UK - almost uniquely among large developed economies - has very little storage. And some of the blame for this must fall to Sir Ed Davey, who failed to spend the relatively small sums required to keep the Rough storage facility open.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
too many things too quickly.
If Labour has a majority it's hard to see how IndyRef2 comes into place and likewise rejoining has to be a longer term project.
The important change in the next election is to change our electoral system so that we aren't left with a 2 party system where 1 or other has the risk of being hijacked towards the extremes.
Thats not why the 'progessives' want electoral reform. They fancy a 1000 year progressive reich It would split both main parties though and turn them into hilarious little players in a big pond
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
EEA, maybe, undoing Cameron/May's error.
But rejoin the EU, with the euro and Schengen as part of the package? Even if you could persuade the other 27 countries to offer it...
Sounds like Labour really doesn’t want Hunt in the big chair
They are pretty worried by that possibility. Though they are probably more worried of the possibility of a Mordaunt & Hunt partnership
Which is surely where we are heading
The Tories may well look more credible in a few months than they do now (hardly difficult). Time to lay Labour most seats, as a trading bet?
I dont think the price for Labour most seats has gone as short as the polls suggest it ought to have. Likely anticipating some Tory comeback from the current depths.
You mean from her zombie apocalypse appearance in the House just now?
Why not?
Though similar gambit did NOT work for Richard Nixon in 1974 when he went/fled temporarily to Egypt, hoping to remind voters (and congressman & senators) of his foreign policy triumphs.
A spectacular picture. I doubt this is a shootdown. Everyone in the air force will be tired; from the pilots to the mechanics. Tired people make mistakes.
(This goes for both the Russians and the Ukrainians.)
There have been a couple of lost Russian planes shortly after take off in the last month or so. The planes probably haven't flown this often before.
Russia jet engines are known to have significantly fewer cycles between complete overhauls than Western ones. (Which has always been one of the big arguments in favour of Dassaults, Saabs, etc: yes, the sticker price is more than the MiG, but it lasts longer and costs less to maintain.)
The "tory mortgage premium". That's good. I like that.
Its trite nonsense. Especially as the very statement/action she's critiquing is predicted to drastically cut back likely rate rises. Shes better than Dodds though. But Burgon would be better than Dodds. Or Sultana. Or anyone
All soundbites are to some extent. But what Labour need to do is put this on the Tories so it sticks, just as the Tories (with far less justification) did with Labour and the global financial crisis. And I think this phrase has potential for this. That's why I liked it. We need people thinking for years to come, "I'm paying more on my mortgage because of the tories".
Like I said, it's a major hostage to fortune - eveyone knows mortgage rates have been too low for too long. If they go up again once Sir Keir is in...
Labour can keep blaming the Tories for the next 12 years. After all the current situation is still all Brown's fault.
yes people dont think rationally...certain big events like the erm cut through and after that its all over....you wont get a hearing for 10 years
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Just what this country needs to heal its divisions. Another referendum.
So that heavily blinking person sat next to Hunt during his speech a few minutes ago was a malfuctioning robot, not the PM?
Would explain a lot.
She looked like she was struggling to keep her eyes open. Possibly not slept in days. She needs to go but she also has my sympathy as it must be terrible to be in that position. To want the top job but then immediately finding yourself manifestly incapable of it. For her own health now more than anything else she should step down. She might get quite a bit of sympathy if she held her hand up now.
The issues comes down to how do you quickly replace her and her cabinet of nobodies without triggering a full leadership contest where the next unknown quantity wins.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
EEA, maybe, undoing Cameron/May's error.
But rejoin the EU, with the euro and Schengen as part of the package? Even if you could persuade the other 27 countries to offer it...
No reason to think we wouldn't be able to get opt-outs for the euro and Schengen, or at least have a way of indefinitely delaying them as Sweden has gone. The rebate has gone for sure though.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
You reckon Starmer's looking at the seat calculations and thinking 'We need PR'?
Of course not. But... if he thinks ahead he might realise he can end the semi-permanent grip the Tories have had on power for the last 100 years.
Truss should not have gone in to the Commons in that state. It was about the worst possible thing to do; go in, sit down for 20 minutes, say nothing, and then leave. It suggests that she is having a breakdown and no one is taking control of the situation. This is now just getting very weird and sad, I think it is possible we will see a resignation for medical reasons, and the sooner this happens the better.
on the other hand - after seeing her in parliament today her resigning for medical reasons makes sense. Without her appearance it may have been harder to justify.
Equally though - she doesn't seem to be in a fit state to be doing anything so someone needs to sort things out.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
too many things too quickly.
If Labour has a majority it's hard to see how IndyRef2 comes into place and likewise rejoining has to be a longer term project.
The important change in the next election is to change our electoral system so that we aren't left with a 2 party system where 1 or other has the risk of being hijacked towards the extremes.
Nah, no chance of electoral reform if Labour have a big majority.
Off-topic, but a reminder of the challenges of 'levelling up' (remember that?): In Walsall, there is a difference of almost thirty years in life expectancy between the poor and well-off parts of the borough. Just staggering:
It is possible that zooming in on Walsall gives a spread of 10x the nation overall, but I hae me doots.
@Foxy tells us repeatedly that the major difference is in good health years, not overall life expectancy. Perhaps the Tweet is using good health years instead of overall life expectancy.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Bring it on. We will rout the FBPE fools once again
Don't think porkies on a bus are going to cut it this time
If you think Starmer is going to risk his whole premiership on EU membership when most people are lukewarm at best and just want the whole issue to go away for a decade then you are madder than the ERG mob.
If he has any sense he will make the case for EFTA membership and single market access. And once that happens any chance of rejoining the political aspects of the EU are dead for good.
So that heavily blinking person sat next to Hunt during his speech a few minutes ago was a malfuctioning robot, not the PM?
Would explain a lot.
She looked like she was struggling to keep her eyes open. Possibly not slept in days. She needs to go but she also has my sympathy as it must be terrible to be in that position. To want the top job but then immediately finding yourself manifestly incapable of it. For her own health now more than anything else she should step down. She might get quite a bit of sympathy if she held her hand up now.
The issues comes down to how do you quickly replace her and her cabinet of nobodies without triggering a full leadership contest where the next unknown quantity wins.
honestly think if it was purely members having their say it would be JRM next
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
too many things too quickly.
If Labour has a majority it's hard to see how IndyRef2 comes into place and likewise rejoining has to be a longer term project.
The important change in the next election is to change our electoral system so that we aren't left with a 2 party system where 1 or other has the risk of being hijacked towards the extremes.
Rejoining won’t happen anytime soon and why would the EU have us given the trouble we have been.
A closer relationship is the best we can hope for.
It is ELE. And this afternoon has made it worse. And tomorrow will make it worse. Then PMQs on Wednesday and it gets worse again. The government are now down to a forecast of 22 seats. Tactical voting could make it worse than that. So we are facing a Canada 93 scenario without as HY suggests a big seat haul for Nigel Farage.
Yes but its a snapshot and warning shot from people polled. There is no imminent GE. Its not going to be how a GE goes and nor are they going to go into one in this state. They polled 17% 6 months before winning an 80 majority. They will of course lose big but not like these horror polls.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
EEA, maybe, undoing Cameron/May's error.
But rejoin the EU, with the euro and Schengen as part of the package? Even if you could persuade the other 27 countries to offer it...
No reason to think we wouldn't be able to get opt-outs for the euro and Schengen, or at least have a way of indefinitely delaying them as Sweden has gone. The rebate has gone for sure though.
There's no way the other 27 let us back in without locking us into Schengen, and, in particular, the euro - the latter making it impossible for us to leave again.
Laying Penny Mordaunt for next con leader at ~4/1 looks like a decent bet to me.
One failed leadership campaign and one decent commons performance does not a heavyweight make.
This is no time for an amateur.
I'm sure that was said about another politician at some point... how did that work out?
The 'no time for an amateur' thing does not work in a crisis. I recall Brown trying that sort of line in 2010, but of course if there's no crisis, why change, and if there's a crisis you cannot change because 'amateur'.
As a Conservative I am fed up. Boris’s positives were more than offset by his pathological need to please and not be found out. I was happy with going for growth, but ud should have been done by incentives for automation to increase productivity: the tax changes at top rate may have worked if the laffer curve was true. However now we will never know because Truss didn’t try to get anyone onside before leaping into the political unknown. She’s now like Wile Coyote with her legs running in empty air over the canyon.
One thing though - the members voted for her and if the MPs really thought she was that bad they should have given us Badenoch or Morduant as an option instead. They played games thinking we would go for Sunak. However we members don’t like disloyalty. So the MPs who are now going after Truss shouldn’t expect activist support, and definitely not if they get rid of her with a coronation
'Russia's Defense Ministry: "while climbing to perform a training flight from the military airfield of the Southern Military District, a Su-34 aircraft crashed. The plane crashed in the city of Yeisk" "According to the report of the ejected pilots, the cause of the plane crash was the ignition of one of the engines during takeoff. At the crash site of the Su-34 in the courtyard of one of the residential quarters, the plane's fuel caught fire"'
Too bad the pilot could NOT avoid crashing aircraft into apartment building. Assuming they tried.
It is ELE. And this afternoon has made it worse. And tomorrow will make it worse. Then PMQs on Wednesday and it gets worse again. The government are now down to a forecast of 22 seats. Tactical voting could make it worse than that. So we are facing a Canada 93 scenario without as HY suggests a big seat haul for Nigel Farage.
Yes but its a snapshot and warning shot from people polled. There is no imminent GE. Its not going to be how a GE goes and nor are they going to go into one in this state. They polled 17% 6 months before winning an 80 majority. They will of course lose big but not like these horror polls.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
EEA, maybe, undoing Cameron/May's error.
But rejoin the EU, with the euro and Schengen as part of the package? Even if you could persuade the other 27 countries to offer it...
No reason to think we wouldn't be able to get opt-outs for the euro and Schengen, or at least have a way of indefinitely delaying them as Sweden has gone. The rebate has gone for sure though.
We don't need an opt out for Schengen, that's a myth. Neither would an independent Scotland.
There was not an opt-out (subsequently expired) of Schengen for the UK, there was an exception for the Common Travel Area. As we remain in the CTA, we would remain automatically exempt from Schengen, as too would an independent Scotland that remained in the CTA.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Just what this country needs to heal its divisions. Another referendum.
Anything so we don't have to talk about voting systems.
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
Rejoin ref IndyRef2 PR
too many things too quickly.
If Labour has a majority it's hard to see how IndyRef2 comes into place and likewise rejoining has to be a longer term project.
The important change in the next election is to change our electoral system so that we aren't left with a 2 party system where 1 or other has the risk of being hijacked towards the extremes.
Rejoining won’t happen anytime soon and why would the EU have us given the trouble we have been.
A closer relationship is the best we can hope for.
The relationdhip we have now is fine tbh. There is a whole world to forge ties with, without all the EU bulllshit
One consequence of the last few days is that a future Starmer government is going to come under huge pressure for a rejoin referendum. The Brexit / Singapore-on-Thames dream is now dead in the water.
EEA, maybe, undoing Cameron/May's error.
But rejoin the EU, with the euro and Schengen as part of the package? Even if you could persuade the other 27 countries to offer it...
No reason to think we wouldn't be able to get opt-outs for the euro and Schengen, or at least have a way of indefinitely delaying them as Sweden has gone. The rebate has gone for sure though.
So your argument would be that rather than joining EFTA/EEA and having the single market benefits without any of the political rubbish, we should pay a huge wad of additional money to rejoin the political stuff as well? And with the threat of having to join the Euro and Schengen at some point down the line.
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Laying Penny Mordaunt for next con leader at ~4/1 looks like a decent bet to me.
One failed leadership campaign and one decent commons performance does not a heavyweight make.
This is no time for an amateur.
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(b) Worse
for team Truss?
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NEW A meeting of the 1922 executives is now getting underway in the Palace of Westminster.
The leaership timetable is not on the agenda.
But one attendee told me: "I would not want to prejudge what they are going to decide."
He is however going to be a powerful figure in whatever government comes out of this.
Edit: silly typo
The headlines tonight will "She's not under a desk" accompanied by a photo of her vacant, strange smirky face sitting next to the PM.
I said she would go by lunchtime. Obviously wrong now. But I would be staggered if she makes it to PMQs.
Lab 56%
Con 20%
LD 11%
Grn 5%
SNP 4%
Ref 2%
oth 1%
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/labour-takes-lead-party-best-policies-economy-first-time-15-years https://twitter.com/CameronGarrett_/status/1582040127718625281/photo/1
LAB: 515 (+313)
LDM: 47 (+36)
SNP: 42 (-6)
CON: 22 (-343)
PLC: 4 (=)
GRN: 1 (=)
Labour Majority of 380.
Changes w/ GE2019. https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1582039734846574592/photo/1
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/bulletins/lifeexpectancyforlocalareasoftheuk/between2001to2003and2017to2019
The shocker is *healthy* LE but even here the spread is 18 years not 30, Blackpool to Rutland (males)
https://www.health.org.uk/evidence-hub/health-inequalities/map-of-healthy-life-expectancy-at-birth
It is possible that zooming in on Walsall gives a spread of 10x the nation overall, but I hae me doots.
Not sure about Truss, but it would not be surprising given the last few days. Lack of sleep and massive amounts of caffeine wont be helping.
https://ria.ru/20221017/samolet-1824698314.html
'Russia's Defense Ministry: "while climbing to perform a training flight from the military airfield of the Southern Military District, a Su-34 aircraft crashed. The plane crashed in the city of Yeisk" "According to the report of the ejected pilots, the cause of the plane crash was the ignition of one of the engines during takeoff. At the crash site of the Su-34 in the courtyard of one of the residential quarters, the plane's fuel caught fire"'
This one, however, risks being a major hostage to fortune.
- Tories (16%) losing to Don't Know (17%)
- Gvt competence at -60 (67% anti, only 7% pro)
- Truss' personal rating is -61 (70% disapprove, only 9% approve)
- Preference for Starmer (60%) over Truss (13%) https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1582038729694191616
Would explain a lot.
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Liz Truss looks utterly broken as chancellor Jeremy Hunt, standing less than two feet away, sets fire to the entire economic strategy on which she was elected prime minister six weeks ago.
https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1582034376195723264
OK. He might yet be right about the second, but it’s looking increasingly unlikely.
The party is too divided and the economic situation too critical for the PM to be doing much else.
I think Penny, with Hunt behind her, has a decent shout at it to be honest.
IndyRef2
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If Labour has a majority it's hard to see how IndyRef2 comes into place and likewise rejoining has to be a longer term project.
The important change in the next election is to change our electoral system so that we aren't left with a 2 party system where 1 or other has the risk of being hijacked towards the extremes.
Though what last few weeks have probably shown is how important the markets are - would Scotland not have similar challenges to what we’ve just seen? Would take some reassuring for the undecideds
It was about the worst possible thing to do; go in, sit down for 20 minutes, say nothing, and then leave.
It suggests that she is having a breakdown and no one is taking control of the situation.
This is now just getting very weird and sad, I think it is possible we will see a resignation for medical reasons, and the sooner this happens the better.
But - so long as you have decent amounts of storage - he's not wrong. If you have lots of gas storage, then it's the amount of gas you burn over the year that matters, not the amount you need on a cold day in February at 5pm.
The problem is that the UK - almost uniquely among large developed economies - has very little storage. And some of the blame for this must fall to Sir Ed Davey, who failed to spend the relatively small sums required to keep the Rough storage facility open.
It would split both main parties though and turn them into hilarious little players in a big pond
But rejoin the EU, with the euro and Schengen as part of the package? Even if you could persuade the other 27 countries to offer it...
Why not?
Though similar gambit did NOT work for Richard Nixon in 1974 when he went/fled temporarily to Egypt, hoping to remind voters (and congressman & senators) of his foreign policy triumphs.
Equally though - she doesn't seem to be in a fit state to be doing anything so someone needs to sort things out.
If he has any sense he will make the case for EFTA membership and single market access. And once that happens any chance of rejoining the political aspects of the EU are dead for good.
A closer relationship is the best we can hope for.
They polled 17% 6 months before winning an 80 majority. They will of course lose big but not like these horror polls.
So you never change government at all.
One thing though - the members voted for her and if the MPs really thought she was that bad they should have given us Badenoch or Morduant as an option instead. They played games thinking we would go for Sunak. However we members don’t like disloyalty. So the MPs who are now going after Truss shouldn’t expect activist support, and definitely not if they get rid of her with a coronation
There was not an opt-out (subsequently expired) of Schengen for the UK, there was an exception for the Common Travel Area. As we remain in the CTA, we would remain automatically exempt from Schengen, as too would an independent Scotland that remained in the CTA.
Good luck with that.