Day 41 of the Truss premiership and some terrible front pages – politicalbetting.com

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

Dear oh dear. Will this simple simon tripe never cease?

Aha. Baited. Hooked.

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

DavidL said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

I agree but we have to remember that Charles is quite old (and not doing nearly as well as his mother or father did in respect of ageing), seriously stupid and quite new at the job. It is completely unrealistic that he is going to perform to the impeccable standards of his mother but he will hopefully improve.

'seriously stupid'

Lol!
Were Victoria and Elisabeth the only two properly smart British monarchs of the last 200 years? Even longer maybe..

Charles is an intellectual, he is not stupid. The Queen was not an intellectual even if maybe she had more common sense

Charles is a poor successor to HMQ and frankly I do not listen to much he says, nor appreciate the way he allows people to bow to him

Utter nonsense in these modern times

You also bowed to the Queen, it is protocol when meeting the monarch

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

Sean_F said:

kinabalu said:

Sean_F said:

The only claim that anyone has to the Koh-I-Noor diamond is that their forebears looted it. That it is as true of India as any other claimant.

The only people who get really worked up about it are people who don't really have much in their lives to worry about.

All concerns that you don't share are kind of trivial in the grand scheme, aren't they?

It's not an issue that makes a difference to anybody's life, is it?

kjh said:

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

As we were before we Brexited.

Dura_Ace said:

Sandpit said:

Dura_Ace said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

DavidL said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

I agree but we have to remember that Charles is quite old (and not doing nearly as well as his mother or father did in respect of ageing), seriously stupid and quite new at the job. It is completely unrealistic that he is going to perform to the impeccable standards of his mother but he will hopefully improve.

'seriously stupid'

Lol!
Were Victoria and Elisabeth the only two properly smart British monarchs of the last 200 years? Even longer maybe..

Charles is an intellectual, he is not stupid. The Queen was not an intellectual even if maybe she had more common sense

He did the BRNC commissioning course for Surface Warfare/Aviation officers in 6 weeks instead of the 49 weeks it normally takes. Genius.

The result of which, was going to be obvious…

I was Red Air on a QWI course at Leuchers that day. The sheer, unadulterated panic that erupted when the news broke that PC had crashed a 146 on Craggy Island was really something.

Scott_xP said:

"If the 22 changed the rules, we'd hit the threshold for a confidence vote in a couple of hours", a Tory MP tells me.

Safe to say the mood is sulphurous in parliament this morning

https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1580493478823280640

Sandpit said:

Cicero said:

rcs1000 said:

FPT:

Pagan2 said:

rcs1000 said:

Pagan2 said:

What annoys me reading tonight is that all the blame for where we are is being put on truss and kwasi. Have they made things worse certainly they have and I have no liking for either.

However where we are is the end point of 30 odd years of centrist social democratic style governement. It has left millions in this country unable to live despite working 40 hours a week without having to rely on governement handouts or food banks or both.

Most of that time spent within the EU before anyone goes yeah but brexit. Centrist governments have failed a lot of people in this country while companies and their directors made out like bandits. The difference now is it is beginning to hit people on this board most of whom weren't in those bottom cohorts so now you are starting to cry and whine about it.

Welcome to the poorhouse you deserve it.

Forget Brexit.

What is it you propose?

Where is prospering, and what policies have they implemented that are appropriate for the UK?

And there are two massive headwinds you need to at the very least acknowledge.

Firstly, there's demographics.
Secondly, there's all the people in the world - and we're not talking immigrants - who are prepared to do your job for less.

I don't believe anywhere in the west is prospering when you consider the life of the median citizen, they are finding housing costs rising, tax rising,energy price rising and food rising all more than their pay over the last 3 to 4 decades. All the west has been doing the social democratic lie of we can have more and more public services but not raise tax and funded it through borrowing. UK, germany, france etc.

Time to be realistic. We need to fund those public services we consider essential properly. We need to stop putting the cost of that on generations unborn. What we cant fund we need to tell people I am sorry we cant fund that and cut it.

I laid out the 5 tenets of where I come from.

Personally I prefer a small state but the 5 principles I think is where we need to be before we even talk about small state vs big state....fiscal stability

I wrote a piece of research about six or seven years ago which said pretty much the same thing:

For much of the post war period, developed countries – and their citizens – had it pretty good.

Unemployment was negligible, crime low, and each generation successively richer. A German, Japanese or American father could look down on his children and feel confident that their lives would be better than his.

But then something changed. The children of the 2000s ceased being wealthier than their parents. And while incomes had apparently risen, so had the prices of petrol, of energy and of rent. While families of the 1970s could survive - or even prosper – with one working parent, it now required two. Young people were leaving college with ever larger amounts of debt and failing to find the kind of
secure, well paid jobs their father’s had.

We see these trends wherever we look. Take the US, generally considered (by us in Europe at least) to have been the most successful developed economy in the world in the recent past. According to the US Federal Reserve, real median household income is down almost 10% since peaking in 1999.

That’s an unprecedented reduction, and is all the more shocking in the context of a country where headline GDP growth has been relatively strong.

Three UK structural observations:

1) As the rewards for employment have fallen, the returns on capital have increased dramatically (especially true in the USA btw)

2) Income is taxed very heavily, capital is taxed relatively lightly and land not taxed at all.

3) The efficiency of government spending has collapsed as public services are no longer controlled by the taxpayer.

These problems date at least to the end of the 1960s.

Major reforms of employment are needed, including promoting self employment and small businesses. A major shift in the tax system is needed including an increase in wealth and capital taxes and a sharp reduction of the income tax burden. Major administrative reform is needed, including radical decentralization and a simplification of the role of the state.

At 10 million words, the UK still has the longest tax code in the world. Aiming to cut that would be a massive task, but the fiscal burden of administration is most definitely "anti-growth". We need a whole new approach, but our politics doesn´t even understand the question. Hence in order to address the economic crisis, we need to address the failures of our politics.

There can be no prosperity without reform.

Well said, which is why Liz Truss was a breath of fresh air in the leadership contest.

There is an urgent need to vastly simply the tax code, move government income from earnings to land, allow more taxes to be raised locally, and a proper zero-based review of government spending.

I had high hopes for the next few months, but the reluctance of the Tory MPs to engage with the project and support the leader they chose, is hugely disappointing.

It now sadly looks like we’ll muddle on for two years, until an election that gives us Starmer as PM and five more years of Blairism, or what Amercians describe as the “Uniparty” or the “Global Consensus” that exists primarily for the political donors and “The 1%”, with no-one prepared to take any risks.

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

Dura_Ace said:

Sandpit said:

Dura_Ace said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

DavidL said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

I agree but we have to remember that Charles is quite old (and not doing nearly as well as his mother or father did in respect of ageing), seriously stupid and quite new at the job. It is completely unrealistic that he is going to perform to the impeccable standards of his mother but he will hopefully improve.

'seriously stupid'

Lol!
Were Victoria and Elisabeth the only two properly smart British monarchs of the last 200 years? Even longer maybe..

Charles is an intellectual, he is not stupid. The Queen was not an intellectual even if maybe she had more common sense

He did the BRNC commissioning course for Surface Warfare/Aviation officers in 6 weeks instead of the 49 weeks it normally takes. Genius.

The result of which, was going to be obvious…

I was Red Air on a QWI course at Leuchers that day. The sheer, unadulterated panic that erupted when the news broke that PC had crashed a 146 on Craggy Island was really something.

HYUFD said:

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

DougSeal said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the
calamity of her first month in office!

You’ve changed

Truss is a libertarian not a Tory who is trashing the party and leading it sleepwalking to its worst defeat since 1832 on current polls.

She has until the local elections to turn it round or she is gone

Why should it be the poor local councillors who have to be stuck with the fork to tell us what we all know

"Yep, she's done...."

Get rid before Christmas, start the New Year as afresh as this parliamentary party can muster.

Boris and May only went after poor local election results in May 2019 and May 2022 respectively, Truss will likely be the same

OldKingCole said:

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

Changing the electoral system is nothing to do with Brexit.

In fact, the EU would probably prefer us to have a more democratic electoral system.

Luckyguy1983 said:

Leon said:

Apparently Macron had to say this because French public opinion is freaking out about nuclear war

But he could surely have found a better way of phrasing it than this. Calamitously awkward

The quote seems selective because it doesn't mention nuclear. If he's talking about nuclear, of course France wouldn't nuke Russia for using a nuke in Ukraine - not would we, nor would America.

Leon said:

Oof. About to go to Heathrow for an agreeable and extended trip abroad


But a couple of faint symptoms of covid. And I have been socialising a fair bit recently


MORAL DILEMMA

Ignore the symptoms (they are minor) get on the plane and see more of the world?

Or take a test, risk a positive: be forced to stay home and also inconvenience quite a few people?

kjh said:

Sandpit said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

As we were before we Brexited.

Sovereign, in the sense of either accept everything or leave, yes.

The People made their decision.

Yep they did, which rather proves the point. We were/are sovereign.

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

Dear oh dear. Will this simple simon tripe never cease?

Aha. Baited. Hooked.

Oh well if you know it's tripe and are just seeking a response, that's slightly different and a lesser offence. Been known to do similar. Could even be classed a service. You need a bit a tripe to grist the mill of PB ... so ok as you were with your "left the EU to become a free sovereign nation" tripe.

No it’s both. I believe this to be completely true. We were not free and sovereign in the EU, now we are (or at least, to a significantly greater extent). Thanks to Brexit

But I only shoved the reference in there to get a peevish reaction from people like you, thus wasting 17 seconds of your stupid dwindling life. I see that as a victory, in the greater scheme

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

DavidL said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

I agree but we have to remember that Charles is quite old (and not doing nearly as well as his mother or father did in respect of ageing), seriously stupid and quite new at the job. It is completely unrealistic that he is going to perform to the impeccable standards of his mother but he will hopefully improve.

'seriously stupid'

Lol!
Were Victoria and Elisabeth the only two properly smart British monarchs of the last 200 years? Even longer maybe..

Charles is an intellectual, he is not stupid. The Queen was not an intellectual even if maybe she had more common sense

Charles is a poor successor to HMQ and frankly I do not listen to much he says, nor appreciate the way he allows people to bow to him

Utter nonsense in these modern times

BartholomewRoberts said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Leon said:

Apparently Macron had to say this because French public opinion is freaking out about nuclear war

But he could surely have found a better way of phrasing it than this. Calamitously awkward

The quote seems selective because it doesn't mention nuclear. If he's talking about nuclear, of course France wouldn't nuke Russia for using a nuke in Ukraine - not would we, nor would America.

We absolutely should, 100%. We made guarantees to Ukraine when they disarmed their own nukes, and we should honour our word by holding them under our nuclear shield if it gets that far.

And Putin should be in no doubt about that, so if he chooses to nuke Ukraine he knows we will take it as seriously as him choosing to nuke London.

BartholomewRoberts said:

kjh said:

Sandpit said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

As we were before we Brexited.

Sovereign, in the sense of either accept everything or leave, yes.

The People made their decision.

Yep they did, which rather proves the point. We were/are sovereign.

Perverse logic.

If Scotland had Yes in 2014 would that have rather proven the point that they were sovereign pre-2014?

Leon said:

Oof. About to go to Heathrow for an agreeable and extended trip abroad


But a couple of faint symptoms of covid. And I have been socialising a fair bit recently


MORAL DILEMMA

Ignore the symptoms (they are minor) get on the plane and see more of the world?

Or take a test, risk a positive: be forced to stay home and also inconvenience quite a few people?

Leon said:

Oof. About to go to Heathrow for an agreeable and extended trip abroad


But a couple of faint symptoms of covid. And I have been socialising a fair bit recently


MORAL DILEMMA

Ignore the symptoms (they are minor) get on the plane and see more of the world?

Or take a test, risk a positive: be forced to stay home and also inconvenience quite a few people?

Luckyguy1983 said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Leon said:

Apparently Macron had to say this because French public opinion is freaking out about nuclear war

But he could surely have found a better way of phrasing it than this. Calamitously awkward

The quote seems selective because it doesn't mention nuclear. If he's talking about nuclear, of course France wouldn't nuke Russia for using a nuke in Ukraine - not would we, nor would America.

We absolutely should, 100%. We made guarantees to Ukraine when they disarmed their own nukes, and we should honour our word by holding them under our nuclear shield if it gets that far.

And Putin should be in no doubt about that, so if he chooses to nuke Ukraine he knows we will take it as seriously as him choosing to nuke London.

I know you've expressed this view before, and it's absolutely, balls out, shit for brains, Kenny Everett mad. Mad is a cheapened word these days, it doesn't express adequately how stupid that would be.

darkage said:

Nigelb said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

If The Queen Consort wears it then it is an insult to over a billion people and the fact the the Royal Family don't give a shit about their bloody colonial past.

Plans for Queen Camilla to be honoured with a crown containing the Koh-i-Noor diamond at the coronation next year could be dropped because of “political sensitivities”, it was claimed yesterday...

And in that context, it looks as though the India trade deal is now off.

Though that's more to do with Braverman complaining about Indian visitors who overstay their visas.

Is 'the deal' actually off?
I wonder what exactly Braverman expects the Indian government to do about visa overstayers? It is a problem for the enforcement team in the Home Office. This seems to be in line with the Brexiteer tradition of blaming other people/countries for our own failures. The Conservatives have run out of ideas, and people are now tired of hearing from them.

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

Dear oh dear. Will this simple simon tripe never cease?

Aha. Baited. Hooked.

Oh well if you know it's tripe and are just seeking a response, that's slightly different and a lesser offence. Been known to do similar. Could even be classed a service. You need a bit a tripe to grist the mill of PB ... so ok as you were with your "left the EU to become a free sovereign nation" tripe.

No it’s both. I believe this to be completely true. We were not free and sovereign in the EU, now we are (or at least, to a significantly greater extent). Thanks to Brexit.

But I only shoved the reference in there to get a peevish reaction from people like you, thus wasting 17 seconds of your stupid dwindling life. I see that as a victory, in the greater scheme.

turbotubbs said:

Scott_xP said:

Buy candles

“It’s very unlikely that we’ll see the conditions that would lead to blackouts” - climate minister @grahamstuart tells the Energy UK conference.

#eukconf22 https://twitter.com/jameskirkup/status/1580494672803205122/photo/1

Have just had a discussion about our Uni's winter graduations (Dec 2022). Apparantly we are using generators just in case of power cuts, as if they were announced short notice, there would not be time or capacity to get them in.

Pagan2 said:

Here is an off the wall suggestion

A governement introduces a concept of a minimum mortgage interest rate which ratchets up and down with the base rate, say for example making mortgages cost 2% more per year than currently.

The 2% extra interest goes to the treasury
The minimum mortgage percentage also acts as a dampener on rising house prices
Could even have a different minimum rate for BTL mortgages thats a little higher

Richard_Tyndall said:

kjh said:

Sandpit said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

As we were before we Brexited.

Sovereign, in the sense of either accept everything or leave, yes.

The People made their decision.

Yep they did, which rather proves the point. We were/are sovereign.

We have had this debate many times before and the only result is that it proves you Eurofanatics don't understand basic English and think it is possible to change the meaning of words haphazardly to suit your political view. It is the height of idiocy.

LostPassword said:

Pagan2 said:

Here is an off the wall suggestion

A governement introduces a concept of a minimum mortgage interest rate which ratchets up and down with the base rate, say for example making mortgages cost 2% more per year than currently.

The 2% extra interest goes to the treasury
The minimum mortgage percentage also acts as a dampener on rising house prices
Could even have a different minimum rate for BTL mortgages thats a little higher

In some ways this would be similar to Insurance Premium Tax. Effectively a tax on outstanding mortgage debt.

I've no idea if it's a good idea economically, but I admire the inventiveness.

Pagan2 said:

Here is an off the wall suggestion

A governement introduces a concept of a minimum mortgage interest rate which ratchets up and down with the base rate, say for example making mortgages cost 2% more per year than currently.

The 2% extra interest goes to the treasury
The minimum mortgage percentage also acts as a dampener on rising house prices
Could even have a different minimum rate for BTL mortgages thats a little higher

Leon said:

Oof. About to go to Heathrow for an agreeable and extended trip abroad


But a couple of faint symptoms of covid. And I have been socialising a fair bit recently


MORAL DILEMMA

Ignore the symptoms (they are minor) get on the plane and see more of the world?

Or take a test, risk a positive: be forced to stay home and also inconvenience quite a few people?

kjh said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

kjh said:

Sandpit said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

'elected'?

She’s an MP. That’s our electoral system. If we don’t like it we can change it. Now we have Brexited we are a free and sovereign democracy once again

As we were before we Brexited.

Sovereign, in the sense of either accept everything or leave, yes.

The People made their decision.

Yep they did, which rather proves the point. We were/are sovereign.

We have had this debate many times before and the only result is that it proves you Eurofanatics don't understand basic English and think it is possible to change the meaning of words haphazardly to suit your political view. It is the height of idiocy.

Richard I have no idea what you mean. Please see my reply to Barty if that helps.

Although I was a remainer I am not a rejoiner so I'm no fanatic. I fail to understand how people think we did not have choices when we clearly did.

You are also not usually rude to me Richard. Not sure why you are at the moment?

Theuniondivvie said:

DavidL said:

Leon said:

HYUFD said:

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Have just noticed. The video of Truss meeting the King. Lots of comments about her appalling courtesy thing. And his "you're back again? Dear oh dear". But listen between "again" and "dear". He grimaces and sucks his teeth loudly. Its comedy gold!

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1580264025648431105

I am no fan of Truss but, quite frankly, I find it rude of the entitled, privileged, white male Monarch to react in that way.

There is no need for it.

People approving of such ignorant behaviour because its towards someone they politically do not like would not be so accomodating if it was someone like Starmer or Davey.

Utter rubbish, Truss is the most hapless and unpopular PM in 100 years. It was a mild remark reflecting on the complete calamity of the current government before the King swiftly moved the conversation on.

I have no problem with it at all and given she was open in her republicanism in the past who could blame Charles in enjoying secretly the calamity of her first month in office!

I’m a monarchist but I don’t like this. Ask yourself: why did this stuff never happen to the Queen?

Because she had impeccable manners and knew how to behave as a monarch

Even if there was no malign intent in KC3’s mutterings (and how can anyone be sure?) they can certainly be interpreted as dissing the elected Prime Minister. And that is really bad - for the Monarchy

A few years of it could turn me into a republican. It’s the one single thing they must not do. KC3 needs to kick out the cameras if he can’t control his words

I agree but we have to remember that Charles is quite old (and not doing nearly as well as his mother or father did in respect of ageing), seriously stupid and quite new at the job. It is completely unrealistic that he is going to perform to the impeccable standards of his mother but he will hopefully improve.

'seriously stupid'

Lol!
Were Victoria and Elisabeth the only two properly smart British monarchs of the last 200 years? Even longer maybe..

Richard_Nabavi said:

Liz Truss and Kwasi Karteng have had a crash course over the last few weeks on the limits of our 'sovereignty'.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Liz Truss and Kwasi Karteng have had a crash course over the last few weeks on the limits of our 'sovereignty'.

noneoftheabove said:

Pagan2 said:

Here is an off the wall suggestion

A governement introduces a concept of a minimum mortgage interest rate which ratchets up and down with the base rate, say for example making mortgages cost 2% more per year than currently.

The 2% extra interest goes to the treasury
The minimum mortgage percentage also acts as a dampener on rising house prices
Could even have a different minimum rate for BTL mortgages thats a little higher

Could be in favour for BTL and non primary residences only.

Not much point in lower house prices for owner occupier workers if they then have to pay a surcharge to the government that makes it just as bad or worse than the high house prices were.

StuartDickson said:

FrequentLurker said:

In their last couple of leadership elections, both main parties have managed to elect an extremist who did/does not enjoy anything like enough support from their parliamentary party and who would never command enough support nationally to win a general election.

The only difference between the two parties' situations is that (fortuitously for them) Labour happened to do it while they were in opposition, so it was much more damaging to them than it was to the country. Doing it while in Government inflicts significant damage to the country too, as we're seeing.

In the next GE I'll vote for any party which proposes to legislate to ban any political party with more than, say, 40 MPs from leaving their final choice of leader in the hands of their membership!

(though I know that's pure fantasy, of course)

If you think Corbyn and Truss are bad, you ought to have a look at the long list of duds elected by Scottish Labour members:

2007 Wendy Alexander
2008 Iain Gray
2011 Johan Lamont
2014 Jim Murphy
2015 Kezia Dugdale
2017 Richard Leonard
2021 Anas Sarwar

The talent pool is admittedly tiny, but they still managed to pick total crackers there.

Luckily, as you say, when parties do it in Opposition, they solely damage themselves and not the country.