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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Foxy said:

    Bit of a bugger for all the patients I have booked.
    You can still see them.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,318
    dixiedean said:

    And my 81 year old Mother is delighted that a parasite has gone.
    Wasn't an easy phone call at all.
    Ivermectin did the trick then?

    It's off, love the dog tubbs
    Sadly she is also a bit tubby - 3 kg heavier than last year, so a fewer treats for a while…
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563
    kle4 said:

    The diplomatic niceties still intact

    Vladimir Putin has written to King Charles following the death of the Queen.

    The Russian president conveyed his condolences despite the ongoing conflict in Ukraine and the Queen’s support for its people.

    The Russian leader’s note to the new king read: ‘Your Majesty, please accept our deepest condolences on the passing of Queen Elizabeth II.

    ‘The most important events in the recent history of the United Kingdom are inextricably linked with the name of Her Majesty.

    ‘For many decades, Elizabeth II rightfully enjoyed the love and respect of her subjects, as well as authority on the world stage.

    ‘I wish you courage and perseverance in the face of this heavy, irreparable loss.

    ‘I ask you to convey the words of sincere sympathy and support to the members of the royal family and all the people of Great Britain.’


    https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/08/queen-elizabeth-ii-dead-vladimir-putin-writes-to-king-charles-17331238/

    I hope Charles's response was a rather curt two words.
  • A different world.

    I have been around a long time and all my life I was brought up to respect Elizabeth II. Which I always did.

    In the pub tonight, they were showing the football then flashed over to Sky News for 5 mins. Then back to the football. No one seemed interested.

    A different world 😡😡😡

    One of the reasons anger is one of the emotions I'm feeling tonight.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,606

    Paging @TSE

    Do we know the code name that replaces London Bridge?

    Menai Bridge?
  • HYUFD said:

    Which is next week
    Yes - sorry - I misread your comment
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    I do not recommend doing 15 km hikes in 30C with zero shade through deep sand armed only with a warm bottle of vinho Branco, even if it does get 4.1 from Vivino

    I am somewhat crocked
  • Before dawn on D+9, the day of the funeral, in the silent hall, the jewels will be taken off the coffin and cleaned. In 1952, it took three jewellers almost two hours to remove all the dust. (The Star of Africa, on the royal sceptre, is the second-largest cut diamond in the world.) Most of the country will be waking to a day off. Shops will close, or go to bank holiday hours. Some will display pictures of the Queen in their windows. The stock market will not open. The night before, there will have been church services in towns across the UK. There are plans to open football stadiums for memorial services if necessary.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,854
    kle4 said:

    I respect their decision to be honest - there's several places that have been clear in their intention to drop the monarchy, and in the case of Jamaica have been promising to do it for at least 15 years and seemingly have the political consensus to (though the process is constitutionally trickier for them I think than Barbados), yet have not yet done it, possibly due to the Queen. At least Barbados just went 'Look, we want to do this, there's no reason to hold off any longer'.
    And it doesn't stop them paying their respects like any other country of the world, as well.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    biggles said:

    No, I’ve thought about this. My wife sleeps on the door side of the bed and so will always get disturbed by the burglar first.
    Your wife takes the door side?

    I always take the door side, even in hotels. For just the reason you mention.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,376
    Leon said:

    I do not recommend doing 15 km hikes in 30C with zero shade through deep sand armed only with a warm bottle of vinho Branco, even if it does get 4.1 from Vivino

    I am somewhat crocked

    If you don’t have a dehydration headache, you can count yourself lucky…
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,816

    Paging @TSE

    Do we know the code name that replaces London Bridge?

    London Bridge hasn't happened.
    It's Unicorn in Scotland.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724

    This is all extremely sad.

    But the BBC coverage now is absolute cringe

    Aarrggghhh!

    The words young people are looking for are “cringe worthy”, not “cringe”.

    Aaarrrggghhh!!!!!!
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited September 2022

    Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.
    Macron has slurped to the Count of Paris too. What a creep. If he'd been any more obsequious he'd have bowed to "his majesty". I wonder which of the two of them will get the better seat in Westminster Abbey next week. Funny how right-wing Tories usually despise the French but they love a Frenchman who writes a fawning eulogy to a British monarch. They think it's really upstanding and dignified of him to display the sort of behaviour that makes for a good foreign johnny.

    image

  • One of the reasons anger is one of the emotions I'm feeling tonight.
    You shouldn't. I don't think it's what she would have wanted.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563

    Liz Truss is going to win on ideas, not on being interested or engaging.

    She has a big f*** off economic catastrophe to overcome before she "wins" on anything.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,295
    Think I'll psyche myself up and close out with a comment that I know will be dreadfully unpopular but it's how I feel and so I'm just going to say it -

    Thought Nicholas Witchell made a good fist of it today.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018

    A different world.

    I have been around a long time and all my life I was brought up to respect Elizabeth II. Which I always did.

    In the pub tonight, they were showing the football then flashed over to Sky News for 5 mins. Then back to the football. No one seemed interested.

    A different world 😡😡😡

    I don't really remember ever being consciously brought up to respect the Queen. I don't think my parents ever mentioned such things, nor did it come in school. I vaguely recall seeing the Diana funeral on TV and finding it all over the top.

    I think I'm just naturally defential to authority.

  • One of the reasons anger is one of the emotions I'm feeling tonight.
    Wait, you’re angry?
    That really makes no sense.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    ping said:

    Oooh I’ve been looking for a betting angle on this, all day. At about 2pm, I was going to propose a market on “hours until QE’s death is announced.” Then I realised I wasn’t a dickhead and scrubbed my post.

    Anyway, I think I can get away with this;

    To attend the funeral?

    Xi Jinping

    Yes 10/1
    No 1/10

    Bolsonaro

    Yes 1/5
    No 5/1

    Putin

    Yes 100/1
    No 1/100

    Zelensky

    Yes Evens
    No Evens

    Others on request.

    Are my odds wrong, PB?

    Oooo Zelensky is an interesting outlier. A reverse visit, underlining the gains made. Hmmm

  • kinabalu said:

    Think I'll psyche myself up and close out with a comment that I know will be dreadfully unpopular but it's how I feel and so I'm just going to say it -

    Thought Nicholas Witchell made a good fist of it today.

    He's literally spent his whole life preparing for this day so I am glad to hear it.
  • Wait, you’re angry?
    That really makes no sense.

    Wait, you’re angry?
    That really makes no sense.
    He is always angry, it is his personality. Yesterday it was about adverts at Waterloo Station
  • Good on Putin.

    Yes, he should be invited to the funeral, although I wouldn’t expect him to come.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563
    Andy_JS said:

    You survived the trek then.
    ...and the angry German.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018
    biggles said:

    Oooo Zelensky is an interesting outlier. A reverse visit, underlining the gains made. Hmmm

    If I were him I'd not leave the borders of the country until every inch of Ukrainian soil was liberated and so on.

    It's not like he met the Queen? Bit more interested in the practical relationship.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,318

    ...and the angry German.
    The question is did the German survive…
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563
    Carnyx said:

    Menai Bridge?
    Imaginary Garden Bridge?
  • A stunning fact of the day from Helen Lewis.

    "She was six weeks older than Marilyn Monroe"

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,606

    Imaginary Garden Bridge?
    Actually, come ot think of it, just London Bridge. SOP and all that.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    Leon said:

    I do not recommend doing 15 km hikes in 30C with zero shade through deep sand armed only with a warm bottle of vinho Branco, even if it does get 4.1 from Vivino

    I am somewhat crocked

    Be grateful you finished the walk unchanged, then
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    kinabalu said:

    Think I'll psyche myself up and close out with a comment that I know will be dreadfully unpopular but it's how I feel and so I'm just going to say it -

    Thought Nicholas Witchell made a good fist of it today.

    He was indeed very good once the announcement was made. Having him on three hours early, with nothing to talk about except the lack of an announcement, was the problem.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    EPG said:

    I regularly walked 20km in my thirties without even a bottle of white wine, though usually in rather rainy places.

    Yes it’s not the length, it’s the particular conditions. I can hike 20km without much of a problem

    It was the heat, the lack of shade, and worst of all THE SAND

    At times it was quite nightmarish. And no way to escape other than to complete the task. This coast is remote


  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    Dynamo said:

    Macron has slurped to the Count of Paris too. What a creep. If he'd been any more obsequious he'd have bowed to "his majesty". I wonder which of the two of them will get the better seat in Westminster Abbey next week. Funny how right-wing Tories usually despise the French but they love a Frenchman who writes a fawning eulogy to a British monarch. They think it's really upstanding and dignified of him to display the sort of behaviour that makes for a good foreign johnny.

    image

    Let me guess which ex-G8 leader is your favourite.
  • Good on Putin.

    Yes, he should be invited to the funeral, although I wouldn’t expect him to come.

    Who would sit next to him?

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    Sandpit said:

    Your wife takes the door side?

    I always take the door side, even in hotels. For just the reason you mention.
    I’m that sort of a guy.

    Joking aside we both subconsciously now have “a side” to any bed irrespective of the surroundings (I’m on the right as you look at it since you ask) which does place me burglar wise at home.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    edited September 2022

    Who would sit next to him?

    Elton John and David Furnish.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724

    Good on Putin.

    Yes, he should be invited to the funeral, although I wouldn’t expect him to come.

    If he arrives, he should not leave.
  • A bloke outside Windsor Castle made a comment on Beeb news earlier that continues to resonate with me. I cant get it out of my head:

    "She taught us the difference between right and wrong".


  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    One of the reasons anger is one of the emotions I'm feeling tonight.
    A frail old lady who lived a good, valuable life and died at 96 after a great innings is sad but isn’t shocking. People knew she was in ill health. It wasn’t like Diana, who was killed suddenly in her prime.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,318
    biggles said:

    I’m that sort of a guy.

    Joking aside we both subconsciously now have “a side” to any bed irrespective of the surroundings (I’m on the right as you look at it since you ask) which does place me burglar wise at home.

    Same for me, I’m always on the right hand side, looking from the feet end. Once dated a girl who turned the bed round between our first and second nights together. It didn’t last. Just weird.
  • Good on Putin.

    Yes, he should be invited to the funeral, although I wouldn’t expect him to come.

    My wife suggested that now was the time to tell Putin we will let bygones be bygones and invite him to come to the funeral, then when he gets here tell him there's a vodka luge and when he goes there close the door on him.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    biggles said:

    If he arrives, he should not leave.
    "You'd like to come? Eh, it's your funeral."
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    Rest of the Tour of Britain has been cancelled. Apparently one of the major issues was that it took quite a bit of policing and some of the police have been recalled to London.

    I'll add this: my understanding is that there are also serious operational reasons, involving police resources (motos), why this decision was taken. Officers have been recalled for duty in London.
    https://twitter.com/nedboulting/status/1567993626457944064
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try



    Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018
    Leon said:

    At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try

    Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history

    Seems strange, people must know what reaction they'll get to such a tweet, I don't see why you'd be so crude about it without wanting a reaction.

    Weirder still is why some people hate JK Rowling so much, even when its on her talking about something unrelated to their fury like the Queen.

    https://twitter.com/MeMyselfOnline/status/1567952551177240576/photo/1
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.

    Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.

    Can you imagine this happening for any other human on this planet?


    https://twitter.com/ThatAlexWoman/status/1567965520779165699
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,240
    Leon said:

    At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try



    Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history

    Indeed, even Jeff Bezos slammed her
    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1567939695241269249?s=20&t=mWXB4ivxsrsaCDNAU4KP6g
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018
    AlistairM said:

    Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.

    Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.

    Can you imagine this happening for any other human on this planet?


    https://twitter.com/ThatAlexWoman/status/1567965520779165699

    Americans take flags really seriously.

    For a long period too.
  • AlistairM said:

    Rest of the Tour of Britain has been cancelled. Apparently one of the major issues was that it took quite a bit of policing and some of the police have been recalled to London.

    I'll add this: my understanding is that there are also serious operational reasons, involving police resources (motos), why this decision was taken. Officers have been recalled for duty in London.
    https://twitter.com/nedboulting/status/1567993626457944064

    Quite why anyone would want to watch the ever dismal Tour of Britain when Remco is storming the Vuelta, I have no idea.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    edited September 2022
    Leon said:

    At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try



    Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history

    What an extraordinarily deranged tweet.
    Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018

    I hope Charles's response was a rather curt two words.
    If pressed for a civil response I think I'd have to simply go.

    "I was left speechless and don't know what to say regarding your kind message"
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,282
    Feeling a bit numb now that it’s sunk in a bit, but not as sad as I thought I would be.

    Looking forward to some good pomp and ceremony in the coming weeks.
  • kle4 said:

    Americans take flags really seriously.

    For a long period too.
    As someone notes upthread, the Queen was the most famous person in the world, and - more modestly - a figure in American history as well.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    AlistairM said:

    Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.

    Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.

    Can you imagine this happening for any other human on this planet?


    https://twitter.com/ThatAlexWoman/status/1567965520779165699

    That really is astonishing. The most amazing honour/honor from them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018

    As someone notes upthread, the Queen was the most famous person in the world, and - more modestly - a figure in American history as well.
    Genuinely impressive gesture.
  • Leon said:

    And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sad
    Well I never, people are different.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    Amazing. We've got a king. Bit of a head-fuck.
  • HYUFD said:

    Indeed, even Jeff Bezos slammed her
    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1567939695241269249?s=20&t=mWXB4ivxsrsaCDNAU4KP6g
    After one Twitter user wrote “Ewww you stink,” Anya responded: “You mean like your p-ssy?”

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
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    Leon said:

    I do not recommend doing 15 km hikes in 30C with zero shade through deep sand armed only with a warm bottle of vinho Branco, even if it does get 4.1 from Vivino

    I am somewhat crocked

    Did the German survive your encounter ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    What an extraordinarily deranged tweet.
    Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
    She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet

    It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    kle4 said:

    Seems strange, people must know what reaction they'll get to such a tweet, I don't see why you'd be so crude about it without wanting a reaction.

    Weirder still is why some people hate JK Rowling so much, even when its on her talking about something unrelated to their fury like the Queen.

    https://twitter.com/MeMyselfOnline/status/1567952551177240576/photo/1
    From what I can see, Twitter took it down, not her. Just another person wanting the attention on Twitter and taking their chance.

    The Rowling stuff is disgusting.
  • Good on Putin.

    Yes, he should be invited to the funeral, although I wouldn’t expect him to come.

    Who would sit next to him?

    Jeremy Corbyn of course!
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,871
    edited September 2022
    Flags at half-mast for the Queen outside the EU Comission.

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1567955457691774977
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    edited September 2022
    TOPPING said:

    Amazing. We've got a king. Bit of a head-fuck.

    Jacinda Ardern made several references to “our king, Charles III” which makes me feel like I’ve woken up in some terrifying sci-if dystopia.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563
    edited September 2022
    HYUFD said:

    They do check Internet news and twitter however
    They are selective, and if it involves a paywall, forget it.

    When I grew up with just three channels I was lumbered with the Queen's speech at 3 pm on Christmas Day after Top of the Pops, whether I liked it or not. And we had the Telegraph delivered every day which was full of royal news.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724

    After one Twitter user wrote “Ewww you stink,” Anya responded: “You mean like your p-ssy?”

    Is that the modern, twitter, equivalent of replying to anything with “your mum”?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    Leon said:

    She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet

    It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
    Nah. People have brought up all the horrible things the Brits have done through the ages. It is their right to do so. Here are we wishing that Bad Vlad impales himself on a vodka luge and people are just pointing out that the Brits have done their share of invading also.
  • Following the very sad news of the death of Her Majesty The Queen, as a mark of respect we will not be going ahead with Prom 71 on Friday 9 September, or the Last Night of the Proms on Saturday 10 September.

    https://twitter.com/bbcproms/status/1567992479764598785
  • Wait, you’re angry?
    That really makes no sense.
    It does, it's one of the seven stages of grief.

    I can't explain. Maybe because she'd always been Queen, and I'd taken it for granted, and I'm angry now she's left us. Maybe because it was all so sudden today and because I think it's unfair. Maybe because I've heard too many, "I'm not a royalist but.." this evening, which has irritated me. Maybe because I'm afraid of what happens now. I don't know. I just feel angry.

    I'm not trying to make points, or score them here, it's just how I feel right
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,554
    AlistairM said:

    Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.

    Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.

    Can you imagine this happening for any other human on this planet?


    https://twitter.com/ThatAlexWoman/status/1567965520779165699

    That is a lovely gesture.

    When 9/11 happened, I was working for a US firm and my American colleagues were immensely touched and impressed by the Queen ordering The Star Spangled Banner to be played at the Changing of the Guard. I think the US did not forget that.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    AlistairM said:

    Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.

    Have you seen the number of flags they have out here? I doubt that you'll be right.

  • Leon said:

    She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet

    It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
    I read up on her biography to try to understand what motivated it. Her father was a wealthy Igbo who had multiple houses and met her Trinidadian mother while they were both at university in England. They moved to Nigeria but her mother struggled to settle there and her father had multiple mistresses so eventually her mother moved to the US with the kids. The professor seems to hold the Queen personally responsible for the Nigerian Civil War in the 1960s.
  • What an extraordinarily deranged tweet.
    Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
    Two dickhead posts from both you and @CorrectHorseBattery tonight.

    Row back, fast, or you'll lose my respect and I simply won't talk to you again.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    Just watched Trudeau. If you haven’t seen it, it’s lovely.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018

    Flags at half-mast for the Queen outside the EU Comission.

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1567955457691774977

    Some of those look distinctly 2/3 mast to me. Oh sure, foreshortening you say, but I say it is deliberate disrespect!
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited September 2022
    EPG said:

    Let me guess which ex-G8 leader is your favourite.
    I haven't got one. I liked Chavez in Venezuela, Morales in Bolivia to a lesser extent. Mélenchon is good in France. I can't imagine Mélenchon giving credence to the "Count's" monarchist shtick the way Macron did, being "received" by him at his country residence.

    As for Putin, he has called the new British king "your majesty" and he runs an almost-monarchist shtick himself, not having had a clue, I suspect, about what those Eton boys he met really thought of him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,461

    Jeremy Corbyn of course!
    Prince Andrew.

    It will be his mothers funeral. Having someone there more despised than him would be a decent thing to arrange.
  • Foggy Furze (Hartlepool) council by-election result:

    LAB: 43.9% (+24.1)
    CON: 38.8% (+9.0)
    IND: 12.5% (-17.7)
    LDEM: 4.9% (+4.9)

    No Veteran's & People's, (-14.4) Reform (-3.8) and For Britain (-2.1) as prev (2021).

    Votes cast: 1,009

    Labour GAIN from Independent.

    Huge result for Labour in a Red Wall seat
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    My 13yo daughter's initial reaction was "I wasn't expecting this". I said she was 96 but she explained she didn't see how anyone else could be the monarch. I said imagine being like me, 45, and knowing nothing else or her grandparents in their 70s and 80s who know nothing else. Having a man as monarch will be strange for all of us.
  • kle4 said:

    Some of those look distinctly 2/3 mast to me. Oh sure, foreshortening you say, but I say it is deliberate disrespect!
    Not the actions of an institution that "never wants Britain back", it would seem. We will move back again closer in time, one way or the other.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651



    They are selective, and if it involves a paywall, forget it.

    When I grew up with just three channels I was lumbered with the Queen's speech at 3 pm on Christmas Day after Top of the Pops, whether I liked it or not. And we had the Telegraph delivered every day which was full of royal news.
    Still today there are a lot of royal-themed articles in most British newspapers.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    edited September 2022

    It does, it's one of the seven stages of grief.

    I can't explain. Maybe because she'd always been Queen, and I'd taken it for granted, and I'm angry now she's left us. Maybe because it was all so sudden today and because I think it's unfair. Maybe because I've heard too many, "I'm not a royalist but.." this evening, which has irritated me. Maybe because I'm afraid of what happens now. I don't know. I just feel angry.

    I'm not trying to make points, or score them here, it's just how I feel right
    It is your right to feel how you feel. Ponder that she was a 96-yr old woman who lived a full, largely happy, fulfilling, and dutiful life. She didn't end it hooked up to machines unable to live unaided but doing her thing almost up to the very end.

    It was a life well lived.

    And also remember that she presided, in loose terms, over a democracy wherein dissent even against the monarchy she headed, is a well-earned right and celebrated as an integral part of our society.

    Nothing to be angry about perhaps not even too upset.
  • kinabalu said:

    Think I'll psyche myself up and close out with a comment that I know will be dreadfully unpopular but it's how I feel and so I'm just going to say it -

    Thought Nicholas Witchell made a good fist of it today.

    Yep, just in from an evening in a pub full of whippersnappers not giving a feck, slightly and surprisingly shocking to me, and watched his tribute. Witchell’s apotheosis for sure, hitting the right notes In the right order, just dreading watching it repeated ad nauseum.
  • Leon said:

    That’s very different from wishing “an excruciating death” on a dying 96 year old woman who has lived a life of endless duty and has never invaded anyone

    What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such

    It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
    Her university has put out a mealy-mouthed statement about it:

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    https://twitter.com/CarnegieMellon/status/1567975991330615297
  • Dynamo said:

    Still today there are a lot of royal-themed articles in most British newspapers.
    Young people don't read newspapers
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018
    edited September 2022

    Yep, just in from an evening in a pub full of whippersnappers not giving a feck, slightly and surprisingly shocking to me, and watched his tribute. Witchell’s apotheosis for sure, hitting the right notes In the right order, just dreading watching it repeated ad nauseum.
    Tributes in the Commons could get pretty repetitive pretty fast, since they're going into Saturday as well apparently. Hopefully they have a lot their own royal anecdotes to impart.

    Who will be the brave soul to go against the grain and talk about so much respect of course, but perhaps time to talk about a republic? I believe a few did in 36.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    Leon said:

    That’s very different from wishing “an excruciating death” on a dying 96 year old woman who has lived a life of endless duty and has never invaded anyone

    What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such

    It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
    You I believe wish Putin an excruciating death and who's to say you are wrong in wishing it. Oh and that German tourist, the rightness of which is less clear cut.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    I read up on her biography to try to understand what motivated it. Her father was a wealthy Igbo who had multiple houses and met her Trinidadian mother while they were both at university in England. They moved to Nigeria but her mother struggled to settle there and her father had multiple mistresses so eventually her mother moved to the US with the kids. The professor seems to hold the Queen personally responsible for the Nigerian Civil War in the 1960s.
    That makes sense. The rage was clearly personal and felt Freudian - like she was expressing murderous Electra complex fury at a parental figure. And so it is

    The queen is - was! - a parent/mother figure for hundreds of millions of people around the world. Her death will take many people very strangely

    It is wall to wall news here in Portugal
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,907
    edited September 2022

    What it says.
    One of my favourite quotes is this:

    "It is a poor centre of a man’s actions, himself"

    https://www.bartleby.com/3/1/23.html

    It reminds me of someone at school who said he wasn't interested in the news and never watched or listened to it. I asked him why. He said something like: "Because it doesn't have anything to do with me personally". I thought he was an idiot for saying such a thing, and still think so now.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,871
    edited September 2022
    Jonathan Dimbleby was surprisingly good on ITV, as was some of the Jon Snow's slighly more critical, obviously long ago pre-recorded programme on Channel 4. The two best perspectives I've seen all day, with Clive Myrie also doing an interesting job on the BBC for a while talking about his mother's enthusiasm for the Queen in 1950's Jamaica.

    The reaction of the under-40s will indeed be important for the royal family.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Foggy Furze (Hartlepool) council by-election result:

    LAB: 43.9% (+24.1)
    CON: 38.8% (+9.0)
    IND: 12.5% (-17.7)
    LDEM: 4.9% (+4.9)

    No Veteran's & People's, (-14.4) Reform (-3.8) and For Britain (-2.1) as prev (2021).

    Votes cast: 1,009

    Labour GAIN from Independent.

    Huge result for Labour in a Red Wall seat

    They were actually much further ahead of the Tories when this ward was fought in May of this year, these changes are from May 2021
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018

    Her university has put out a mealy-mouthed statement about it:

    image

    https://twitter.com/CarnegieMellon/status/1567975991330615297
    As awful as her statement and views are, better to err on the side of not sacking people for their words alone, even if it means some awful people get to remain employed?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556

    Her university has put out a mealy-mouthed statement about it:

    image

    https://twitter.com/CarnegieMellon/status/1567975991330615297
    How is defending free speech "mealy mouthed"?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,672
    Having a king is going to be very odd. Will take some getting used to. Maybe we should give it to Anne.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    edited September 2022
    kle4 said:

    Some of those look distinctly 2/3 mast to me. Oh sure, foreshortening you say, but I say it is deliberate disrespect!
    You’re going to regret this. I can bore for hours and I refer you to the College of Arms as well as the Town and Country Planning (Control of advertising) (England) Regulations 2007 (as amended)which (obviously) covers flags.

    “Half-mast means the flag is flown two-thirds of the way up the flagpole with at least the height of the flag between the top of the flag and the top of the flag pole”.

    https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/union-flag-faqs

  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Doesn’t seem very mealy mouthed to me. Unless we want her dismissed, which seems hypocritical, given that most of us are against cancel culture.
    That 50 year old composer was suspended for merely liking a tweet that supported J K Rowling

    This woman gets barely a rap on the knuckles for…. That

    O Tempura, O Sashimi
  • kle4 said:

    As awful as her statement and views are, better to err on the side of not sacking people for their words alone, even if it means some awful people get to remain employed?
    She should be sacked for lack of a comma.

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