I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK
The funeral will not be a public holiday unless they make that change during the planning. As currently set out it will not be
The day of the funeral as a weekday will be a public holiday and national day of mourning I can assure you, though am not going too much into how I know that
I will not be remotely surprised if it is, i was just pointing out that unless and until a bank holiday is announced, its not currently set to be
Bit of a bugger for all the patients I have booked.
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sad
And my 81 year old Mother is delighted that a parasite has gone. Wasn't an easy phone call at all.
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK
Not sure if you are correct as I understand she will lie in state in Holyrood Palace for 3 days before being returned to London by train on Tuesday
I do not recommend doing 15 km hikes in 30C with zero shade through deep sand armed only with a warm bottle of vinho Branco, even if it does get 4.1 from Vivino
Before dawn on D+9, the day of the funeral, in the silent hall, the jewels will be taken off the coffin and cleaned. In 1952, it took three jewellers almost two hours to remove all the dust. (The Star of Africa, on the royal sceptre, is the second-largest cut diamond in the world.) Most of the country will be waking to a day off. Shops will close, or go to bank holiday hours. Some will display pictures of the Queen in their windows. The stock market will not open. The night before, there will have been church services in towns across the UK. There are plans to open football stadiums for memorial services if necessary.
A bit awkward for Barbados who ditched the monarchy a few months ago.
I respect their decision to be honest - there's several places that have been clear in their intention to drop the monarchy, and in the case of Jamaica have been promising to do it for at least 15 years and seemingly have the political consensus to (though the process is constitutionally trickier for them I think than Barbados), yet have not yet done it, possibly due to the Queen. At least Barbados just went 'Look, we want to do this, there's no reason to hold off any longer'.
And it doesn't stop them paying their respects like any other country of the world, as well.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.
One of her security squad trying not to wake her husband while at the same time helping reassure her it's not an intruder?
The intruder thing is what I was thinking of. Don’t know about you but if I’m woken up with a torch in my face I think I’d be kicking and screaming, and thinking “intruder”.
Minor point I know tonight, just intrigued me.
You know that you’re alone in the house. Presumably the PM of New Zealand knows that she isn’t, and that there’s established protocol if she needs to be woken in the middle of the night?
No, I’ve thought about this. My wife sleeps on the door side of the bed and so will always get disturbed by the burglar first.
Your wife takes the door side?
I always take the door side, even in hotels. For just the reason you mention.
I do not recommend doing 15 km hikes in 30C with zero shade through deep sand armed only with a warm bottle of vinho Branco, even if it does get 4.1 from Vivino
I am somewhat crocked
If you don’t have a dehydration headache, you can count yourself lucky…
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.
Macron has slurped to the Count of Paris too. What a creep. If he'd been any more obsequious he'd have bowed to "his majesty". I wonder which of the two of them will get the better seat in Westminster Abbey next week. Funny how right-wing Tories usually despise the French but they love a Frenchman who writes a fawning eulogy to a British monarch. They think it's really upstanding and dignified of him to display the sort of behaviour that makes for a good foreign johnny.
Think I'll psyche myself up and close out with a comment that I know will be dreadfully unpopular but it's how I feel and so I'm just going to say it -
Thought Nicholas Witchell made a good fist of it today.
I have been around a long time and all my life I was brought up to respect Elizabeth II. Which I always did.
In the pub tonight, they were showing the football then flashed over to Sky News for 5 mins. Then back to the football. No one seemed interested.
A different world 😡😡😡
I don't really remember ever being consciously brought up to respect the Queen. I don't think my parents ever mentioned such things, nor did it come in school. I vaguely recall seeing the Diana funeral on TV and finding it all over the top.
I think I'm just naturally defential to authority.
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK
Oooh I’ve been looking for a betting angle on this, all day. At about 2pm, I was going to propose a market on “hours until QE’s death is announced.” Then I realised I wasn’t a dickhead and scrubbed my post.
Anyway, I think I can get away with this;
To attend the funeral?
Xi Jinping
Yes 10/1 No 1/10
Bolsonaro
Yes 1/5 No 5/1
Putin
Yes 100/1 No 1/100
Zelensky
Yes Evens No Evens
Others on request.
Are my odds wrong, PB?
Oooo Zelensky is an interesting outlier. A reverse visit, underlining the gains made. Hmmm
Think I'll psyche myself up and close out with a comment that I know will be dreadfully unpopular but it's how I feel and so I'm just going to say it -
Thought Nicholas Witchell made a good fist of it today.
He's literally spent his whole life preparing for this day so I am glad to hear it.
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sad
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK
Oooh I’ve been looking for a betting angle on this, all day. At about 2pm, I was going to propose a market on “hours until QE’s death is announced.” Then I realised I wasn’t a dickhead and scrubbed my post.
Anyway, I think I can get away with this;
To attend the funeral?
Xi Jinping
Yes 10/1 No 1/10
Bolsonaro
Yes 1/5 No 5/1
Putin
Yes 100/1 No 1/100
Zelensky
Yes Evens No Evens
Others on request.
Are my odds wrong, PB?
Oooo Zelensky is an interesting outlier. A reverse visit, underlining the gains made. Hmmm
If I were him I'd not leave the borders of the country until every inch of Ukrainian soil was liberated and so on.
It's not like he met the Queen? Bit more interested in the practical relationship.
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sad
I do not recommend doing 15 km hikes in 30C with zero shade through deep sand armed only with a warm bottle of vinho Branco, even if it does get 4.1 from Vivino
Think I'll psyche myself up and close out with a comment that I know will be dreadfully unpopular but it's how I feel and so I'm just going to say it -
Thought Nicholas Witchell made a good fist of it today.
He was indeed very good once the announcement was made. Having him on three hours early, with nothing to talk about except the lack of an announcement, was the problem.
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.
Macron has slurped to the Count of Paris too. What a creep. If he'd been any more obsequious he'd have bowed to "his majesty". I wonder which of the two of them will get the better seat in Westminster Abbey next week. Funny how right-wing Tories usually despise the French but they love a Frenchman who writes a fawning eulogy to a British monarch. They think it's really upstanding and dignified of him to display the sort of behaviour that makes for a good foreign johnny.
Let me guess which ex-G8 leader is your favourite.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.
One of her security squad trying not to wake her husband while at the same time helping reassure her it's not an intruder?
The intruder thing is what I was thinking of. Don’t know about you but if I’m woken up with a torch in my face I think I’d be kicking and screaming, and thinking “intruder”.
Minor point I know tonight, just intrigued me.
You know that you’re alone in the house. Presumably the PM of New Zealand knows that she isn’t, and that there’s established protocol if she needs to be woken in the middle of the night?
No, I’ve thought about this. My wife sleeps on the door side of the bed and so will always get disturbed by the burglar first.
Your wife takes the door side?
I always take the door side, even in hotels. For just the reason you mention.
I’m that sort of a guy.
Joking aside we both subconsciously now have “a side” to any bed irrespective of the surroundings (I’m on the right as you look at it since you ask) which does place me burglar wise at home.
I have been around a long time and all my life I was brought up to respect Elizabeth II. Which I always did.
In the pub tonight, they were showing the football then flashed over to Sky News for 5 mins. Then back to the football. No one seemed interested.
A different world 😡😡😡
One of the reasons anger is one of the emotions I'm feeling tonight.
A frail old lady who lived a good, valuable life and died at 96 after a great innings is sad but isn’t shocking. People knew she was in ill health. It wasn’t like Diana, who was killed suddenly in her prime.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.
One of her security squad trying not to wake her husband while at the same time helping reassure her it's not an intruder?
The intruder thing is what I was thinking of. Don’t know about you but if I’m woken up with a torch in my face I think I’d be kicking and screaming, and thinking “intruder”.
Minor point I know tonight, just intrigued me.
You know that you’re alone in the house. Presumably the PM of New Zealand knows that she isn’t, and that there’s established protocol if she needs to be woken in the middle of the night?
No, I’ve thought about this. My wife sleeps on the door side of the bed and so will always get disturbed by the burglar first.
Your wife takes the door side?
I always take the door side, even in hotels. For just the reason you mention.
I’m that sort of a guy.
Joking aside we both subconsciously now have “a side” to any bed irrespective of the surroundings (I’m on the right as you look at it since you ask) which does place me burglar wise at home.
Same for me, I’m always on the right hand side, looking from the feet end. Once dated a girl who turned the bed round between our first and second nights together. It didn’t last. Just weird.
Yes, he should be invited to the funeral, although I wouldn’t expect him to come.
My wife suggested that now was the time to tell Putin we will let bygones be bygones and invite him to come to the funeral, then when he gets here tell him there's a vodka luge and when he goes there close the door on him.
Rest of the Tour of Britain has been cancelled. Apparently one of the major issues was that it took quite a bit of policing and some of the police have been recalled to London.
I'll add this: my understanding is that there are also serious operational reasons, involving police resources (motos), why this decision was taken. Officers have been recalled for duty in London. https://twitter.com/nedboulting/status/1567993626457944064
Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.
Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.
Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.
Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.
Rest of the Tour of Britain has been cancelled. Apparently one of the major issues was that it took quite a bit of policing and some of the police have been recalled to London.
I'll add this: my understanding is that there are also serious operational reasons, involving police resources (motos), why this decision was taken. Officers have been recalled for duty in London. https://twitter.com/nedboulting/status/1567993626457944064
Quite why anyone would want to watch the ever dismal Tour of Britain when Remco is storming the Vuelta, I have no idea.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.
Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.
Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.
Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.
Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.
Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sad
I do not recommend doing 15 km hikes in 30C with zero shade through deep sand armed only with a warm bottle of vinho Branco, even if it does get 4.1 from Vivino
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
"Relevant to their lives"
What exactly does this mean?
They have no interest in the Royal family and the existence of the royal family bears no direct relationship to how they run their lives.
Don't forget people below a certain age don't watch live stream TV.
They do check Internet news and twitter however
They are selective, and if it involves a paywall, forget it.
When I grew up with just three channels I was lumbered with the Queen's speech at 3 pm on Christmas Day after Top of the Pops, whether I liked it or not. And we had the Telegraph delivered every day which was full of royal news.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
Nah. People have brought up all the horrible things the Brits have done through the ages. It is their right to do so. Here are we wishing that Bad Vlad impales himself on a vodka luge and people are just pointing out that the Brits have done their share of invading also.
Following the very sad news of the death of Her Majesty The Queen, as a mark of respect we will not be going ahead with Prom 71 on Friday 9 September, or the Last Night of the Proms on Saturday 10 September.
I have been around a long time and all my life I was brought up to respect Elizabeth II. Which I always did.
In the pub tonight, they were showing the football then flashed over to Sky News for 5 mins. Then back to the football. No one seemed interested.
A different world 😡😡😡
One of the reasons anger is one of the emotions I'm feeling tonight.
Wait, you’re angry? That really makes no sense.
It does, it's one of the seven stages of grief.
I can't explain. Maybe because she'd always been Queen, and I'd taken it for granted, and I'm angry now she's left us. Maybe because it was all so sudden today and because I think it's unfair. Maybe because I've heard too many, "I'm not a royalist but.." this evening, which has irritated me. Maybe because I'm afraid of what happens now. I don't know. I just feel angry.
I'm not trying to make points, or score them here, it's just how I feel right
Not sure if this is posted but every US flag pretty much anywhere in the world is going to fly at half-mast until the Queen is laid to rest.
Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.
When 9/11 happened, I was working for a US firm and my American colleagues were immensely touched and impressed by the Queen ordering The Star Spangled Banner to be played at the Changing of the Guard. I think the US did not forget that.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
I read up on her biography to try to understand what motivated it. Her father was a wealthy Igbo who had multiple houses and met her Trinidadian mother while they were both at university in England. They moved to Nigeria but her mother struggled to settle there and her father had multiple mistresses so eventually her mother moved to the US with the kids. The professor seems to hold the Queen personally responsible for the Nigerian Civil War in the 1960s.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.
Macron has slurped to the Count of Paris too. What a creep. If he'd been any more obsequious he'd have bowed to "his majesty". I wonder which of the two of them will get the better seat in Westminster Abbey next week. Funny how right-wing Tories usually despise the French but they love a Frenchman who writes a fawning eulogy to a British monarch. They think it's really upstanding and dignified of him to display the sort of behaviour that makes for a good foreign johnny.
Let me guess which ex-G8 leader is your favourite.
I haven't got one. I liked Chavez in Venezuela, Morales in Bolivia to a lesser extent. Mélenchon is good in France. I can't imagine Mélenchon giving credence to the "Count's" monarchist shtick the way Macron did, being "received" by him at his country residence.
As for Putin, he has called the new British king "your majesty" and he runs an almost-monarchist shtick himself, not having had a clue, I suspect, about what those Eton boys he met really thought of him.
My 13yo daughter's initial reaction was "I wasn't expecting this". I said she was 96 but she explained she didn't see how anyone else could be the monarch. I said imagine being like me, 45, and knowing nothing else or her grandparents in their 70s and 80s who know nothing else. Having a man as monarch will be strange for all of us.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
Nah. People have brought up all the horrible things the Brits have done through the ages. It is their right to do so. Here are we wishing that Bad Vlad impales himself on a vodka luge and people are just pointing out that the Brits have done their share of invading also.
That’s very different from wishing “an excruciating death” on a dying 96 year old woman who has lived a life of endless duty and has never invaded anyone
What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such
It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
"Relevant to their lives"
What exactly does this mean?
They have no interest in the Royal family and the existence of the royal family bears no direct relationship to how they run their lives.
Don't forget people below a certain age don't watch live stream TV.
They do check Internet news and twitter however
They are selective, and if it involves a paywall, forget it.
When I grew up with just three channels I was lumbered with the Queen's speech at 3 pm on Christmas Day after Top of the Pops, whether I liked it or not. And we had the Telegraph delivered every day which was full of royal news.
Still today there are a lot of royal-themed articles in most British newspapers.
I have been around a long time and all my life I was brought up to respect Elizabeth II. Which I always did.
In the pub tonight, they were showing the football then flashed over to Sky News for 5 mins. Then back to the football. No one seemed interested.
A different world 😡😡😡
One of the reasons anger is one of the emotions I'm feeling tonight.
Wait, you’re angry? That really makes no sense.
It does, it's one of the seven stages of grief.
I can't explain. Maybe because she'd always been Queen, and I'd taken it for granted, and I'm angry now she's left us. Maybe because it was all so sudden today and because I think it's unfair. Maybe because I've heard too many, "I'm not a royalist but.." this evening, which has irritated me. Maybe because I'm afraid of what happens now. I don't know. I just feel angry.
I'm not trying to make points, or score them here, it's just how I feel right
It is your right to feel how you feel. Ponder that she was a 96-yr old woman who lived a full, largely happy, fulfilling, and dutiful life. She didn't end it hooked up to machines unable to live unaided but doing her thing almost up to the very end.
It was a life well lived.
And also remember that she presided, in loose terms, over a democracy wherein dissent even against the monarchy she headed, is a well-earned right and celebrated as an integral part of our society.
Nothing to be angry about perhaps not even too upset.
Think I'll psyche myself up and close out with a comment that I know will be dreadfully unpopular but it's how I feel and so I'm just going to say it -
Thought Nicholas Witchell made a good fist of it today.
Yep, just in from an evening in a pub full of whippersnappers not giving a feck, slightly and surprisingly shocking to me, and watched his tribute. Witchell’s apotheosis for sure, hitting the right notes In the right order, just dreading watching it repeated ad nauseum.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
Nah. People have brought up all the horrible things the Brits have done through the ages. It is their right to do so. Here are we wishing that Bad Vlad impales himself on a vodka luge and people are just pointing out that the Brits have done their share of invading also.
That’s very different from wishing “an excruciating death” on a dying 96 year old woman who has lived a life of endless duty and has never invaded anyone
What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such
It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
Her university has put out a mealy-mouthed statement about it:
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
"Relevant to their lives"
What exactly does this mean?
They have no interest in the Royal family and the existence of the royal family bears no direct relationship to how they run their lives.
Don't forget people below a certain age don't watch live stream TV.
They do check Internet news and twitter however
They are selective, and if it involves a paywall, forget it.
When I grew up with just three channels I was lumbered with the Queen's speech at 3 pm on Christmas Day after Top of the Pops, whether I liked it or not. And we had the Telegraph delivered every day which was full of royal news.
Still today there are a lot of royal-themed articles in most British newspapers.
Think I'll psyche myself up and close out with a comment that I know will be dreadfully unpopular but it's how I feel and so I'm just going to say it -
Thought Nicholas Witchell made a good fist of it today.
Yep, just in from an evening in a pub full of whippersnappers not giving a feck, slightly and surprisingly shocking to me, and watched his tribute. Witchell’s apotheosis for sure, hitting the right notes In the right order, just dreading watching it repeated ad nauseum.
Tributes in the Commons could get pretty repetitive pretty fast, since they're going into Saturday as well apparently. Hopefully they have a lot their own royal anecdotes to impart.
Who will be the brave soul to go against the grain and talk about so much respect of course, but perhaps time to talk about a republic? I believe a few did in 36.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
Nah. People have brought up all the horrible things the Brits have done through the ages. It is their right to do so. Here are we wishing that Bad Vlad impales himself on a vodka luge and people are just pointing out that the Brits have done their share of invading also.
That’s very different from wishing “an excruciating death” on a dying 96 year old woman who has lived a life of endless duty and has never invaded anyone
What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such
It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
You I believe wish Putin an excruciating death and who's to say you are wrong in wishing it. Oh and that German tourist, the rightness of which is less clear cut.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
I read up on her biography to try to understand what motivated it. Her father was a wealthy Igbo who had multiple houses and met her Trinidadian mother while they were both at university in England. They moved to Nigeria but her mother struggled to settle there and her father had multiple mistresses so eventually her mother moved to the US with the kids. The professor seems to hold the Queen personally responsible for the Nigerian Civil War in the 1960s.
That makes sense. The rage was clearly personal and felt Freudian - like she was expressing murderous Electra complex fury at a parental figure. And so it is
The queen is - was! - a parent/mother figure for hundreds of millions of people around the world. Her death will take many people very strangely
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
It reminds me of someone at school who said he wasn't interested in the news and never watched or listened to it. I asked him why. He said something like: "Because it doesn't have anything to do with me personally". I thought he was an idiot for saying such a thing, and still think so now.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
Nah. People have brought up all the horrible things the Brits have done through the ages. It is their right to do so. Here are we wishing that Bad Vlad impales himself on a vodka luge and people are just pointing out that the Brits have done their share of invading also.
That’s very different from wishing “an excruciating death” on a dying 96 year old woman who has lived a life of endless duty and has never invaded anyone
What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such
It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
Her university has put out a mealy-mouthed statement about it:
Jonathan Dimbleby was surprisingly good on ITV, as was some of the Jon Snow's slighly more critical, obviously long ago pre-recorded programme on Channel 4. The two best perspectives I've seen all day, with Clive Myrie also doing an interesting job on the BBC for a while talking about his mother's enthusiasm for the Queen in 1950's Jamaica.
The reaction of the under-40s will indeed be important for the royal family.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
Nah. People have brought up all the horrible things the Brits have done through the ages. It is their right to do so. Here are we wishing that Bad Vlad impales himself on a vodka luge and people are just pointing out that the Brits have done their share of invading also.
That’s very different from wishing “an excruciating death” on a dying 96 year old woman who has lived a life of endless duty and has never invaded anyone
What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such
It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
Her university has put out a mealy-mouthed statement about it:
As awful as her statement and views are, better to err on the side of not sacking people for their words alone, even if it means some awful people get to remain employed?
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
Nah. People have brought up all the horrible things the Brits have done through the ages. It is their right to do so. Here are we wishing that Bad Vlad impales himself on a vodka luge and people are just pointing out that the Brits have done their share of invading also.
That’s very different from wishing “an excruciating death” on a dying 96 year old woman who has lived a life of endless duty and has never invaded anyone
What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such
It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
Her university has put out a mealy-mouthed statement about it:
Some of those look distinctly 2/3 mast to me. Oh sure, foreshortening you say, but I say it is deliberate disrespect!
You’re going to regret this. I can bore for hours and I refer you to the College of Arms as well as the Town and Country Planning (Control of advertising) (England) Regulations 2007 (as amended)which (obviously) covers flags.
“Half-mast means the flag is flown two-thirds of the way up the flagpole with at least the height of the flag between the top of the flag and the top of the flag pole”.
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
Nah. People have brought up all the horrible things the Brits have done through the ages. It is their right to do so. Here are we wishing that Bad Vlad impales himself on a vodka luge and people are just pointing out that the Brits have done their share of invading also.
That’s very different from wishing “an excruciating death” on a dying 96 year old woman who has lived a life of endless duty and has never invaded anyone
What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such
It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
Her university has put out a mealy-mouthed statement about it:
At least the competition for Worst Possible Tweet has already been won. So no need for anyone else to try
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
What an extraordinarily deranged tweet. Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
She then doubled down and said several more appalling things - not just about the queen but about anyone who argued with her first vile tweet
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
Nah. People have brought up all the horrible things the Brits have done through the ages. It is their right to do so. Here are we wishing that Bad Vlad impales himself on a vodka luge and people are just pointing out that the Brits have done their share of invading also.
That’s very different from wishing “an excruciating death” on a dying 96 year old woman who has lived a life of endless duty and has never invaded anyone
What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such
It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
Her university has put out a mealy-mouthed statement about it:
As awful as her statement and views are, better to err on the side of not sacking people for their words alone, even if it means some awful people get to remain employed?
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I am somewhat crocked
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
I always take the door side, even in hotels. For just the reason you mention.
It's Unicorn in Scotland.
The words young people are looking for are “cringe worthy”, not “cringe”.
Aaarrrggghhh!!!!!!
Thought Nicholas Witchell made a good fist of it today.
I think I'm just naturally defential to authority.
That really makes no sense.
Yes, he should be invited to the funeral, although I wouldn’t expect him to come.
It's not like he met the Queen? Bit more interested in the practical relationship.
"She was six weeks older than Marilyn Monroe"
It was the heat, the lack of shade, and worst of all THE SAND
At times it was quite nightmarish. And no way to escape other than to complete the task. This coast is remote
Joking aside we both subconsciously now have “a side” to any bed irrespective of the surroundings (I’m on the right as you look at it since you ask) which does place me burglar wise at home.
"She taught us the difference between right and wrong".
I'll add this: my understanding is that there are also serious operational reasons, involving police resources (motos), why this decision was taken. Officers have been recalled for duty in London.
https://twitter.com/nedboulting/status/1567993626457944064
Incredibly she’s a senior Professor at a major American uni. She’s now deleted the tweet after getting the worst ratio in history
Weirder still is why some people hate JK Rowling so much, even when its on her talking about something unrelated to their fury like the Queen.
https://twitter.com/MeMyselfOnline/status/1567952551177240576/photo/1
Remarkable. The US President ordering all flags on public buildings throughout America and on its embassies around the world to be flown at half mast until the Queen’s funeral in ten days time.
Can you imagine this happening for any other human on this planet?
https://twitter.com/ThatAlexWoman/status/1567965520779165699
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1567939695241269249?s=20&t=mWXB4ivxsrsaCDNAU4KP6g
For a long period too.
Laughably demented. If someone said such a thing in a pub you would back away from them (unless you were Casino Royale in which case you would break a pool cue on her head).
"I was left speechless and don't know what to say regarding your kind message"
Looking forward to some good pomp and ceremony in the coming weeks.
It definitely came across as a mental issue rather than a considered ideology
The Rowling stuff is disgusting.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1567955457691774977
When I grew up with just three channels I was lumbered with the Queen's speech at 3 pm on Christmas Day after Top of the Pops, whether I liked it or not. And we had the Telegraph delivered every day which was full of royal news.
https://twitter.com/bbcproms/status/1567992479764598785
I can't explain. Maybe because she'd always been Queen, and I'd taken it for granted, and I'm angry now she's left us. Maybe because it was all so sudden today and because I think it's unfair. Maybe because I've heard too many, "I'm not a royalist but.." this evening, which has irritated me. Maybe because I'm afraid of what happens now. I don't know. I just feel angry.
I'm not trying to make points, or score them here, it's just how I feel right
When 9/11 happened, I was working for a US firm and my American colleagues were immensely touched and impressed by the Queen ordering The Star Spangled Banner to be played at the Changing of the Guard. I think the US did not forget that.
Row back, fast, or you'll lose my respect and I simply won't talk to you again.
As for Putin, he has called the new British king "your majesty" and he runs an almost-monarchist shtick himself, not having had a clue, I suspect, about what those Eton boys he met really thought of him.
It will be his mothers funeral. Having someone there more despised than him would be a decent thing to arrange.
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IND: 12.5% (-17.7)
LDEM: 4.9% (+4.9)
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Labour GAIN from Independent.
Huge result for Labour in a Red Wall seat
What this wretched professor said is grotesquely offensive - and was surely meant as such
It’s her right to say it, and it’s the right of anyone sane to call her out for vileness, and it’s her employers’ right to sack her if they want. Her career must be in peril
It was a life well lived.
And also remember that she presided, in loose terms, over a democracy wherein dissent even against the monarchy she headed, is a well-earned right and celebrated as an integral part of our society.
Nothing to be angry about perhaps not even too upset.
https://twitter.com/CarnegieMellon/status/1567975991330615297
Who will be the brave soul to go against the grain and talk about so much respect of course, but perhaps time to talk about a republic? I believe a few did in 36.
The queen is - was! - a parent/mother figure for hundreds of millions of people around the world. Her death will take many people very strangely
It is wall to wall news here in Portugal
"It is a poor centre of a man’s actions, himself"
https://www.bartleby.com/3/1/23.html
It reminds me of someone at school who said he wasn't interested in the news and never watched or listened to it. I asked him why. He said something like: "Because it doesn't have anything to do with me personally". I thought he was an idiot for saying such a thing, and still think so now.
The reaction of the under-40s will indeed be important for the royal family.
“Half-mast means the flag is flown two-thirds of the way up the flagpole with at least the height of the flag between the top of the flag and the top of the flag pole”.
https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/union-flag-faqs
This woman gets barely a rap on the knuckles for…. That
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