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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    Taz said:
    A bit try hard really.
  • President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    Pagan2 said:

    pigeon said:

    Alistair said:

    Glasgow Warriros jusy cancelled their match against Ulster tommorow.

    GCW still going ahead with their Liverpool show. Someone ia goong to go for the cheapest of cheap heat.

    Supposed to be attending the Frome Cheese Show on Saturday. Not sure if it’s going ahead. nothing announced. Would expect all footy to be off at the weekend.
    There'll likely be a blanket cancellation of all manner of events between now and the funeral.

    Ten days from now takes us up to Sunday 18th, though I'm not sure whether or not the C of E would want to hold the funeral on a Sunday. Regardless, I think that most sporting events will probably be cancelled for this weekend and the next.

    I've got a small local race I'm meant to be competing in on the 18th and I think even that might get scrubbed in due course.
    Yup life totally disrupted because an old lady died, not even unexpectedly.
    It's what happens when Heads of State die - the nation in question goes a bit over the top. People will have varying tolerance for how much is too much, but let's not pretend Heads of State dying does not quite often mean quite a bit of media and other disruption.

    Hope the Cheese Show goes ahead, I went a few years ago and enjoyed it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147
    Thought both Truss and Starmer paid well thought out tributes to her Majesty. Truss managed to carefully balance mourning her passing and welcoming our new monarch.

    Amongst the tributes from world leaders Trudeau paid a particularly emotional and apt response
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 105,386
    edited September 2022
    A friend has pointed out Penny Mordaunt, as Lord President of the Council, has a key role in the accession process.

    She's going to drop in a blatant innuendo somewhere.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Glasgow Warriros jusy cancelled their match against Ulster tommorow.

    GCW still going ahead with their Liverpool show. Someone ia goong to go for the cheapest of cheap heat.

    Supposed to be attending the Frome Cheese Show on Saturday. Not sure if it’s going ahead. nothing announced. Would expect all footy to be off at the weekend.
    All Scottish Rugby has been cancelled.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,656

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    Wow. I don’t think they do that sort of thing much for foreigners…
  • CookieCookie Posts: 8,112

    Just received a grocery delivery. "Did you have a nice day?" asked the young man. Must admit I was lost for words.

    I wonder how widespread this is?
    When I was at the leisure centre - admittedly between 6 and 6.30, so before the actual announcement - exactly one person - me - seemed at all interested in what was going on in the outside world.
    People are sad. People respected, admired, even loved the Queen, from afar. But people have lives to lead. People have othet things to think about.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    God Bless her majesty may shevredt in peace. Ditto my Darling sister who died last Saturday. May she likewise rest in.peace also.

    Sorry to hear this, condolences to the family.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147

    kle4 said:

    The Commonwealth has a new Head.

    I don’t think that’s hereditary?
    It’s not, but the Commonwealth agreed a while ago that Charles would succeed.
    Though William has said he may not head it when he is King
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Pagan2 said:

    pigeon said:

    Alistair said:

    Glasgow Warriros jusy cancelled their match against Ulster tommorow.

    GCW still going ahead with their Liverpool show. Someone ia goong to go for the cheapest of cheap heat.

    Supposed to be attending the Frome Cheese Show on Saturday. Not sure if it’s going ahead. nothing announced. Would expect all footy to be off at the weekend.
    There'll likely be a blanket cancellation of all manner of events between now and the funeral.

    Ten days from now takes us up to Sunday 18th, though I'm not sure whether or not the C of E would want to hold the funeral on a Sunday. Regardless, I think that most sporting events will probably be cancelled for this weekend and the next.

    I've got a small local race I'm meant to be competing in on the 18th and I think even that might get scrubbed in due course.
    Yup life totally disrupted because an old lady died, not even unexpectedly.
    You have clearly been a complete and utter ---- every single day of your long and dreary life, so I don't see what the problem is with taking 10 days off? You never know, you might find it is not as bad as you feared. You could work on an ongoing program of non-----dom one weekend a month, say, and see how it goes, going forward.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,171

    God Bless her majesty may shevredt in peace. Ditto my Darling sister who died last Saturday. May she likewise rest in.peace also.

    I'm very sorry for your loss.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,743
    Who would be PM?

    Liz Truss's week:

    Monday: Elected leader of Tory Party

    Tuesday: Fly to Balmoral to meet HM and be invited to form government. Speech at podium. Form government.

    Wednesday: PMQs and run country

    Thursday: While running country, £200 billion gas giveaway speech trumped by illness and death of HM; speech at podium.

    Friday?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,603

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    And (apart from a short piece on NPR advising people that they can save time and money by roasting two chickens at once), it’s wall to wall on US news media.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 5,248

    A friend has pointed out Penny Mordaunt, as Lord President of the Council, has a key role in the accession process.

    She's going to drop in a blatant innuendo somewhere.

    Getting all her cocks in a row.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    Cookie said:

    Just received a grocery delivery. "Did you have a nice day?" asked the young man. Must admit I was lost for words.

    I wonder how widespread this is?
    When I was at the leisure centre - admittedly between 6 and 6.30, so before the actual announcement - exactly one person - me - seemed at all interested in what was going on in the outside world.
    People are sad. People respected, admired, even loved the Queen, from afar. But people have lives to lead. People have othet things to think about.
    She was a pragmatic person. I'm sure she wants a grand send off, but people will still be going to work in the morning and most of it will be unaffected, as will most of life.

    It puts the prospect of days of tv and radio coverage, and some cancellations, into perspective. It will, in fact, be pretty easy to escape it if we want - I play to read very little royal news this week.
  • RIP HM. Long live the King.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,732

    ydoethur said:

    They were saying something on the radio along the lines of thinking that she might hold the record for most US Presidents met. That no other individual in history had ever met as many.
    How many American Presidents did the Queen actually meet, though?
    I'm not sure if she met Truman, although he did make one visit to London in 1945. She met all the others who were in office during her reign except Lyndon Johnson, and also met ex-President Hoover.
    Truman threw a hotdog party during his visit and there's a photo somewhere of the king and queen tucking into theirs with knives and forks. It would have been entirely in keeping with royal protocol at the time to leave the kids at home.
    Reagan famously served tacos to the Queen at his ranch in California. That would have been worth watching.

    Football off this weekend I suppose. Will cause massive fixture congestion. More respectful to have armbands and a minutes silence IMO.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,908
    kle4 said:

    agingjb2 said:

    Royal Poundbury soon? Or Poundbury Regis.

    Capital of the New United Kingdom.
    You know, after Irish reunification and Scottish Independence at least rUK can have a menacing new name NUKE - New United Kingdom of England (and Wales, possibly, but it's customary for Wales not to make the acronym, see e.g. ECB)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507
    kle4 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    pigeon said:

    Alistair said:

    Glasgow Warriros jusy cancelled their match against Ulster tommorow.

    GCW still going ahead with their Liverpool show. Someone ia goong to go for the cheapest of cheap heat.

    Supposed to be attending the Frome Cheese Show on Saturday. Not sure if it’s going ahead. nothing announced. Would expect all footy to be off at the weekend.
    There'll likely be a blanket cancellation of all manner of events between now and the funeral.

    Ten days from now takes us up to Sunday 18th, though I'm not sure whether or not the C of E would want to hold the funeral on a Sunday. Regardless, I think that most sporting events will probably be cancelled for this weekend and the next.

    I've got a small local race I'm meant to be competing in on the 18th and I think even that might get scrubbed in due course.
    Yup life totally disrupted because an old lady died, not even unexpectedly.
    It's what happens when Heads of State die - the nation in question goes a bit over the top. People will have varying tolerance for how much is too much, but let's not pretend Heads of State dying does not quite often mean quite a bit of media and other disruption.

    Hope the Cheese Show goes ahead, I went a few years ago and enjoyed it.
    It’s our wedding anniversary tomorrow and we attended the show for the first time just after we wed. 17 years running. One year we cocked up and had booked a holiday. Delayed leaving for a day just to go.
  • ydoethur said:

    God Bless her Majesty may she rest in peace. Ditto my Darling sister who died last Saturday. May she likewise rest in peace

    Sorry to hear this, condolences to the family.
    Thank you
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    The Commonwealth has a new Head.

    I don’t think that’s hereditary?
    It’s not, but the Commonwealth agreed a while ago that Charles would succeed.
    Though William has said he may not head it when he is King
    Charles getting to do so may well have been a last personal favour to Her Majesty. The org may want to come up with some kind of succession plan - it doesn't really have much to bind it though (not that all are even former British colonies etc now), so either no head or rotating i reckon.
  • ydoethur said:

    They were saying something on the radio along the lines of thinking that she might hold the record for most US Presidents met. That no other individual in history had ever met as many.
    How many American Presidents did the Queen actually meet, though?
    I'm not sure if she met Truman, although he did make one visit to London in 1945. She met all the others who were in office during her reign except Lyndon Johnson, and also met ex-President Hoover.
    Truman threw a hotdog party during his visit and there's a photo somewhere of the king and queen tucking into theirs with knives and forks. It would have been entirely in keeping with royal protocol at the time to leave the kids at home.
    In 1945, the future Queen was 19 years old and heir apparent, no doubt she met her first POTUS at that time.

    BUT if not then, then when "Princess Elizabeth was met at Washington National Airport, 1951, by President Truman" as documented by this picture:

    https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/1567962453203451904?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    IanB2 said:

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    And (apart from a short piece on NPR advising people that they can save time and money by roasting two chickens at once), it’s wall to wall on US news media.
    Isn't american news even more royal obsessed than ours?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,171
    algarkirk said:

    Who would be PM?

    Liz Truss's week:

    Monday: Elected leader of Tory Party

    Tuesday: Fly to Balmoral to meet HM and be invited to form government. Speech at podium. Form government.

    Wednesday: PMQs and run country

    Thursday: While running country, £200 billion gas giveaway speech trumped by illness and death of HM; speech at podium.

    Friday?

    Probably aliens.
  • Mr. Root, my condolences.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    edited September 2022
    algarkirk said:

    Who would be PM?

    Liz Truss's week:

    Monday: Elected leader of Tory Party

    Tuesday: Fly to Balmoral to meet HM and be invited to form government. Speech at podium. Form government.

    Wednesday: PMQs and run country

    Thursday: While running country, £200 billion gas giveaway speech trumped by illness and death of HM; speech at podium.

    Friday?

    Russian nuclear strike

    Saturday - Black hole

    Edit: I still expect my tax cut though
  • kle4 said:

    IanB2 said:

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    And (apart from a short piece on NPR advising people that they can save time and money by roasting two chickens at once), it’s wall to wall on US news media.
    Isn't american news even more royal obsessed than ours?
    Can confirm. It’s quite absurd.

  • The LBJ Library on why the Queen and LBJ never met (they don't know):

    https://twitter.com/LBJLibrary/status/1017815356772114433

    IIRC relations between LBJ & Wilson were pretty frosty as the UK refused to support the USA militarily in Vietnam...
  • Bad news for anyone laying the draw.

    Following the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Friday's play between England and South Africa Men at The Oval, along with all scheduled matches in the Rachael Heyhoe Flint Trophy, will not take place.

    For fixtures beyond Friday, updates will be provided in due course


    https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/2786528/no-play-on-friday-in-third-england-v-south-africa-test-following-death-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491

    Bad news for anyone laying the draw.

    Following the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Friday's play between England and South Africa Men at The Oval, along with all scheduled matches in the Rachael Heyhoe Flint Trophy, will not take place.

    For fixtures beyond Friday, updates will be provided in due course


    https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/2786528/no-play-on-friday-in-third-england-v-south-africa-test-following-death-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii

    Figures.

    I assumed they'd cancel the match and play it as a one off decider some other time, like the India game.
  • biggles said:

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    Wow. I don’t think they do that sort of thing much for foreigners…
    None of us are going to see a reign of 70 years again in our lifetimes....
  • This explains the position re William and becoming the Prince if Wales

    The future of the Prince of Wales title as Charles becomes King

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/future-prince-wales-title-charles-24965775#ICID=Android_DailyPostNewsApp_AppShare
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    kle4 said:

    IanB2 said:

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    And (apart from a short piece on NPR advising people that they can save time and money by roasting two chickens at once), it’s wall to wall on US news media.
    Isn't american news even more royal obsessed than ours?
    The funeral / the coronation / the investiture - all to come.

    Its a patchy old country, but nobody touches us for pageantry. Not even close.

    I remember thinking after Harry's wedding 'and that, ladies and gentlemen, is how we do that'
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 3,947
    kle4 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Who would be PM?

    Liz Truss's week:

    Monday: Elected leader of Tory Party

    Tuesday: Fly to Balmoral to meet HM and be invited to form government. Speech at podium. Form government.

    Wednesday: PMQs and run country

    Thursday: While running country, £200 billion gas giveaway speech trumped by illness and death of HM; speech at podium.

    Friday?

    Russian nuclear strike

    Saturday - Black hole

    Edit: I still expect my tax cut though
    Even Craig David is impressed.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,908
    Cookie said:

    Just received a grocery delivery. "Did you have a nice day?" asked the young man. Must admit I was lost for words.

    I wonder how widespread this is?
    When I was at the leisure centre - admittedly between 6 and 6.30, so before the actual announcement - exactly one person - me - seemed at all interested in what was going on in the outside world.
    People are sad. People respected, admired, even loved the Queen, from afar. But people have lives to lead. People have othet things to think about.
    I had a nice day. The Queen's death doesn't change that. I can't say that I'm sad about it - she had a long and very good life, a life that she will have looked back on with some contentment, I should think.

    (None of this is meant to disrespect the Queen, I have admiration and respect for her, but I did not know her so I am not sad in a personal capacity and neither am I sad in a general way as I might have been had she died young or unexpectedly or not from natural causes)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491

    kle4 said:

    IanB2 said:

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    And (apart from a short piece on NPR advising people that they can save time and money by roasting two chickens at once), it’s wall to wall on US news media.
    Isn't american news even more royal obsessed than ours?
    Can confirm. It’s quite absurd.

    Of course, there was that sudden glut of 'royal christmas' genre movies a few years ago too (there were previous ones, and still are some, but for a few years a good chunk of the annual Christmas movie glut were about princes).
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,356
    algarkirk said:

    Who would be PM?

    Liz Truss's week:

    Monday: Elected leader of Tory Party

    Tuesday: Fly to Balmoral to meet HM and be invited to form government. Speech at podium. Form government.

    Wednesday: PMQs and run country

    Thursday: While running country, £200 billion gas giveaway speech trumped by illness and death of HM; speech at podium.

    Friday?

    She could cancel the gas giveaway and nobody would notice (until they get their October bills).
  • kle4 said:

    IanB2 said:

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    And (apart from a short piece on NPR advising people that they can save time and money by roasting two chickens at once), it’s wall to wall on US news media.
    Isn't american news even more royal obsessed than ours?
    In waves. This being a tsunami.

    Personally remember watching on (I think) live TV, beside my mother, the investiture of Prince Charles as Prince of Wales by HIS mother, at Caernarfon Castle in summer of 1969.

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,356
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    They were saying something on the radio along the lines of thinking that she might hold the record for most US Presidents met. That no other individual in history had ever met as many.
    How many American Presidents did the Queen actually meet, though?
    I'm not sure if she met Truman, although he did make one visit to London in 1945. She met all the others who were in office during her reign except Lyndon Johnson, and also met ex-President Hoover.
    Truman threw a hotdog party during his visit and there's a photo somewhere of the king and queen tucking into theirs with knives and forks. It would have been entirely in keeping with royal protocol at the time to leave the kids at home.
    Reagan famously served tacos to the Queen at his ranch in California. That would have been worth watching.

    Football off this weekend I suppose. Will cause massive fixture congestion. More respectful to have armbands and a minutes silence IMO.
    Glasgow Rangers will be glad to have a postponement. They’ve had three bad losses this week already.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 5,248
    Pro_Rata said:

    kle4 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Who would be PM?

    Liz Truss's week:

    Monday: Elected leader of Tory Party

    Tuesday: Fly to Balmoral to meet HM and be invited to form government. Speech at podium. Form government.

    Wednesday: PMQs and run country

    Thursday: While running country, £200 billion gas giveaway speech trumped by illness and death of HM; speech at podium.

    Friday?

    Russian nuclear strike

    Saturday - Black hole

    Edit: I still expect my tax cut though
    Even Craig David is impressed.
    No need to chill on Sunday with £190 billion of free heating.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,986
    I guess I have a good answer to “where were you when she went”:


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    Selebian said:

    kle4 said:

    agingjb2 said:

    Royal Poundbury soon? Or Poundbury Regis.

    Capital of the New United Kingdom.
    You know, after Irish reunification and Scottish Independence at least rUK can have a menacing new name NUKE - New United Kingdom of England (and Wales, possibly, but it's customary for Wales not to make the acronym, see e.g. ECB)
    NUKEW would sound even more threatening!
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,908
    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics
  • Bad news for anyone laying the draw.

    Following the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Friday's play between England and South Africa Men at The Oval, along with all scheduled matches in the Rachael Heyhoe Flint Trophy, will not take place.

    For fixtures beyond Friday, updates will be provided in due course


    https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/2786528/no-play-on-friday-in-third-england-v-south-africa-test-following-death-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii

    Imagine it will be match abandoned rather than a draw.
  • biggles said:

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    Wow. I don’t think they do that sort of thing much for foreigners…
    None of us are going to see a reign of 70 years again in our lifetimes....
    Few of us can claim to have seen ALL the 70 years of the LAST reign.

    Though % on PB clearly WAY higher than in UK or Planet Earth in general!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    kle4 said:

    agingjb2 said:

    Royal Poundbury soon? Or Poundbury Regis.

    Capital of the New United Kingdom.
    You know, after Irish reunification and Scottish Independence at least rUK can have a menacing new name NUKE - New United Kingdom of England (and Wales, possibly, but it's customary for Wales not to make the acronym, see e.g. ECB)
    NUKEW would sound even more threatening!
    I knew Wales was good for something!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,799
    edited September 2022
    Leon said:

    I confess I am somewhat glad to be abroad so as to avoid some of the frenzied grief

    Not really seeing that but I am not at the Palace etc. Just an overwhelming sadness. A part of my life that has been there and utterly reliable has gone. Not the most important part but not insignificant either
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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,393
    Very sad. Just heard the news. Strange to think of Charles III being monarch.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507
    Selebian said:

    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics

    No news from mine. Important grant needs to go in though, but deadline is the 22nd.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,732

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    They were saying something on the radio along the lines of thinking that she might hold the record for most US Presidents met. That no other individual in history had ever met as many.
    How many American Presidents did the Queen actually meet, though?
    I'm not sure if she met Truman, although he did make one visit to London in 1945. She met all the others who were in office during her reign except Lyndon Johnson, and also met ex-President Hoover.
    Truman threw a hotdog party during his visit and there's a photo somewhere of the king and queen tucking into theirs with knives and forks. It would have been entirely in keeping with royal protocol at the time to leave the kids at home.
    Reagan famously served tacos to the Queen at his ranch in California. That would have been worth watching.

    Football off this weekend I suppose. Will cause massive fixture congestion. More respectful to have armbands and a minutes silence IMO.
    Glasgow Rangers will be glad to have a postponement. They’ve had three bad losses this week already.
    Might give Leicester a reprieve and time to dump Rodgers, though I do have some money on Villa. 3 was great value under Rodgers, but maybe the rescheduled match will be under new management. I was looking forward to waving my "Rodgers Out" banner.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    kle4 said:

    agingjb2 said:

    Royal Poundbury soon? Or Poundbury Regis.

    Capital of the New United Kingdom.
    You know, after Irish reunification and Scottish Independence at least rUK can have a menacing new name NUKE - New United Kingdom of England (and Wales, possibly, but it's customary for Wales not to make the acronym, see e.g. ECB)
    NUKEW would sound even more threatening!
    NUKEW SIR if Scotland and Ireland joined up to a NATO type pact.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,732
    Andy_JS said:

    Very sad. Just heard the news. Strange to think of Charles III being monarch.

    Really? It was nailed on, just a matter of when.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    ydoethur said:

    They were saying something on the radio along the lines of thinking that she might hold the record for most US Presidents met. That no other individual in history had ever met as many.
    How many American Presidents did the Queen actually meet, though?
    I'm not sure if she met Truman, although he did make one visit to London in 1945. She met all the others who were in office during her reign except Lyndon Johnson, and also met ex-President Hoover.
    Truman threw a hotdog party during his visit and there's a photo somewhere of the king and queen tucking into theirs with knives and forks. It would have been entirely in keeping with royal protocol at the time to leave the kids at home.
    In 1945, the future Queen was 19 years old and heir apparent, no doubt she met her first POTUS at that time.

    BUT if not then, then when "Princess Elizabeth was met at Washington National Airport, 1951, by President Truman" as documented by this picture:

    https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/1567962453203451904?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    So of the 17 presidents in her lifetime, she met 14. Coolidge died when she was 7 and Roosevelt (who I don't think ever visited the U.K.) when she was 18. So Johnson is the glaring odd one out.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,908
    kle4 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Who would be PM?

    Liz Truss's week:

    Monday: Elected leader of Tory Party

    Tuesday: Fly to Balmoral to meet HM and be invited to form government. Speech at podium. Form government.

    Wednesday: PMQs and run country

    Thursday: While running country, £200 billion gas giveaway speech trumped by illness and death of HM; speech at podium.

    Friday?

    Russian nuclear strike

    Saturday - Black hole

    Edit: I still expect my tax cut though
    Got to really hope Russian nuclear workers never take industrial action, the news channel banner headlines would cause panic :open_mouth:
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    They were saying something on the radio along the lines of thinking that she might hold the record for most US Presidents met. That no other individual in history had ever met as many.
    How many American Presidents did the Queen actually meet, though?
    I'm not sure if she met Truman, although he did make one visit to London in 1945. She met all the others who were in office during her reign except Lyndon Johnson, and also met ex-President Hoover.
    Truman threw a hotdog party during his visit and there's a photo somewhere of the king and queen tucking into theirs with knives and forks. It would have been entirely in keeping with royal protocol at the time to leave the kids at home.
    In 1945, the future Queen was 19 years old and heir apparent, no doubt she met her first POTUS at that time.

    BUT if not then, then when "Princess Elizabeth was met at Washington National Airport, 1951, by President Truman" as documented by this picture:

    https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/1567962453203451904?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
    So of the 17 presidents in her lifetime, she met 14. Coolidge died when she was 7 and Roosevelt (who I don't think ever visited the U.K.) when she was 18. So Johnson is the glaring odd one out.
    How could they tell?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,253
    algarkirk said:

    Who would be PM?

    Liz Truss's week:

    Monday: Elected leader of Tory Party

    Tuesday: Fly to Balmoral to meet HM and be invited to form government. Speech at podium. Form government.

    Wednesday: PMQs and run country

    Thursday: While running country, £200 billion gas giveaway speech trumped by illness and death of HM; speech at podium.

    Friday?

    First chapter of her memoirs as a PM is going to be a belter though....
  • Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very sad. Just heard the news. Strange to think of Charles III being monarch.

    Really? It was nailed on, just a matter of when.
    He might have decided to be George VII
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    Selebian said:

    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics

    Hmm. Isn't even a day off for the funeral a bit of a lapse from the high duty shown by the late sovereign? Can't the staff be allowed an hour or two off? It's not like the first Shuttle launch when the techs and I piled into the a/v room to see it on TV. Much easier nowadays.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,656

    biggles said:

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    Wow. I don’t think they do that sort of thing much for foreigners…
    None of us are going to see a reign of 70 years again in our lifetimes....
    Speak for yourself. I’m backing me and William to confound you.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics

    Hmm. Isn't even a day off for the funeral a bit of a lapse from the high duty shown by the late sovereign? Can't the staff be allowed an hour or two off? It's not like the first Shuttle launch when the techs and I piled into the a/v room to see it on TV. Much easier nowadays.
    How many days off did we have for Diana? It felt like the country ground to a halt for about a fortnight.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,592
    edited September 2022

    kle4 said:

    IanB2 said:

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    And (apart from a short piece on NPR advising people that they can save time and money by roasting two chickens at once), it’s wall to wall on US news media.
    Isn't american news even more royal obsessed than ours?
    Can confirm. It’s quite absurd.

    An American couple on the table next to us told us the news in Tremezzo this evening. They seemed surprised we could still face dinner.

    Stiff upper lip and all that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147
    Selebian said:

    kle4 said:

    agingjb2 said:

    Royal Poundbury soon? Or Poundbury Regis.

    Capital of the New United Kingdom.
    You know, after Irish reunification and Scottish Independence at least rUK can have a menacing new name NUKE - New United Kingdom of England (and Wales, possibly, but it's customary for Wales not to make the acronym, see e.g. ECB)
    Neither happening anyway.

    Good to see Truss warmly welcome our new King today as much as she is resolute in refusing indyref2 and removing the Irish Sea border.
  • With respect to the number of UK Prime Ministers and US Presidents who held office during the late Queen's reign, perhaps worth noting that she was alive as Princess Elizabeth during the administrations of three other PMs and POTUS:

    > Stanley Baldwin, Neville Chamberlain, {Winston Churchill}, Clement Attlee

    > Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin Roosevelt

    Add heads of governments AND states within the Commonwealth, and total is well into three digits.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    HYUFD said:

    Selebian said:

    kle4 said:

    agingjb2 said:

    Royal Poundbury soon? Or Poundbury Regis.

    Capital of the New United Kingdom.
    You know, after Irish reunification and Scottish Independence at least rUK can have a menacing new name NUKE - New United Kingdom of England (and Wales, possibly, but it's customary for Wales not to make the acronym, see e.g. ECB)
    Neither happening anyway.

    Good to see Truss warmly welcome our new King today as much as she is resolute in refusing indyref2 and removing the Irish Sea border.
    You have to repeat that tonight of all nights, don't you?
  • God Bless her Majesty, may she rest in peace. Ditto my Darling sister who died last Saturday. May she likewise rest in.peace

    Very sorry for your loss.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,732
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics

    Hmm. Isn't even a day off for the funeral a bit of a lapse from the high duty shown by the late sovereign? Can't the staff be allowed an hour or two off? It's not like the first Shuttle launch when the techs and I piled into the a/v room to see it on TV. Much easier nowadays.
    How many days off did we have for Diana? It felt like the country ground to a halt for about a fortnight.
    I was on call for A and E that weekend. Nice and quiet.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    edited September 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics

    Hmm. Isn't even a day off for the funeral a bit of a lapse from the high duty shown by the late sovereign? Can't the staff be allowed an hour or two off? It's not like the first Shuttle launch when the techs and I piled into the a/v room to see it on TV. Much easier nowadays.
    How many days off did we have for Diana? It felt like the country ground to a halt for about a fortnight.
    Not here in Scotland, apart frtom 10 mins horror at the BBC coverage of the hysteria.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,708
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Selebian said:

    kle4 said:

    agingjb2 said:

    Royal Poundbury soon? Or Poundbury Regis.

    Capital of the New United Kingdom.
    You know, after Irish reunification and Scottish Independence at least rUK can have a menacing new name NUKE - New United Kingdom of England (and Wales, possibly, but it's customary for Wales not to make the acronym, see e.g. ECB)
    Neither happening anyway.

    Good to see Truss warmly welcome our new King today as much as she is resolute in refusing indyref2 and removing the Irish Sea border.
    You have to repeat that tonight of all nights, don't you?
    Can we just keep Indy, or Irish reunification or even Brexit off here for even 10 days max?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 19,918
    edited September 2022
    Somewhat tired already of the media coverage. Time to bring out the Penny Mourdaunt Day Today video.


    https://youtu.be/T72TopWbXJg
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Selebian said:

    kle4 said:

    agingjb2 said:

    Royal Poundbury soon? Or Poundbury Regis.

    Capital of the New United Kingdom.
    You know, after Irish reunification and Scottish Independence at least rUK can have a menacing new name NUKE - New United Kingdom of England (and Wales, possibly, but it's customary for Wales not to make the acronym, see e.g. ECB)
    Neither happening anyway.

    Good to see Truss warmly welcome our new King today as much as she is resolute in refusing indyref2 and removing the Irish Sea border.
    You have to repeat that tonight of all nights, don't you?
    Can we just keep Indy, or Irish reunification or even Brexit off here for even 10 days max?
    Quite.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    With respect to the number of UK Prime Ministers and US Presidents who held office during the late Queen's reign, perhaps worth noting that she was alive as Princess Elizabeth during the administrations of three other PMs and POTUS:

    > Stanley Baldwin, Neville Chamberlain, {Winston Churchill}, Clement Attlee

    > Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin Roosevelt

    Add heads of governments AND states within the Commonwealth, and total is well into three digits.

    Four PMs. You've missed off Ramsay Macdonald 1929-35.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited September 2022
    US advertising company Google has turned the logo on the front page of its website grey.
    US software company Microsoft has mainly grey on its front page too, with a photo of the late monarch.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    algarkirk said:

    Who would be PM?

    Liz Truss's week:

    Monday: Elected leader of Tory Party

    Tuesday: Fly to Balmoral to meet HM and be invited to form government. Speech at podium. Form government.

    Wednesday: PMQs and run country

    Thursday: While running country, £200 billion gas giveaway speech trumped by illness and death of HM; speech at podium.

    Friday?

    First chapter of her memoirs as a PM is going to be a belter though....
    And after discussing her - proclivities - will there be a mention of London Bridge in chapter 2?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 8,112
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics

    Hmm. Isn't even a day off for the funeral a bit of a lapse from the high duty shown by the late sovereign? Can't the staff be allowed an hour or two off? It's not like the first Shuttle launch when the techs and I piled into the a/v room to see it on TV. Much easier nowadays.
    How many days off did we have for Diana? It felt like the country ground to a halt for about a fortnight.
    I was on call for A and E that weekend. Nice and quiet.
    I don't think there was any time off work. The funeral was on a Saturday.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    Selebian said:

    kle4 said:

    agingjb2 said:

    Royal Poundbury soon? Or Poundbury Regis.

    Capital of the New United Kingdom.
    You know, after Irish reunification and Scottish Independence at least rUK can have a menacing new name NUKE - New United Kingdom of England (and Wales, possibly, but it's customary for Wales not to make the acronym, see e.g. ECB)
    Neither happening anyway.

    Good to see Truss warmly welcome our new King today as much as she is resolute in refusing indyref2 and removing the Irish Sea border.
    Our King is going to affirm his ancestor's edict about Our Lord's penchant for sodomy, what do you think of that?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    moonshine said:

    My 5 year old was in the bath when I went to tell him and the missus. And the strangest thing, I couldn’t get the words out. A gut punch despite it being clear since lunchtime what had happened and it not being a particularly shocking event anyway. At bedtime he threw his arms around me and said “Daddy I’m sorry the queen has died”, with a look that said, don’t worry it’ll be alright you know.

    Anyway on we all go.

    Except for Her Majesty.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,393
    edited September 2022
    Even the sports pages on BBC News are headlining on the sad news.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,732
    edited September 2022
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics

    Hmm. Isn't even a day off for the funeral a bit of a lapse from the high duty shown by the late sovereign? Can't the staff be allowed an hour or two off? It's not like the first Shuttle launch when the techs and I piled into the a/v room to see it on TV. Much easier nowadays.
    How many days off did we have for Diana? It felt like the country ground to a halt for about a fortnight.
    I was on call for A and E that weekend. Nice and quiet.
    I don't think there was any time off work. The funeral was on a Saturday.
    Yes, I remember sitting around in Casualty swigging tea during the hysteria, thinking all those throwing flowers at the hearse were going to cause an accident.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,592
    Dynamo said:

    US advertising company Google has turned the logo on the front page of its website grey.

    https://www.google.co.uk looks pretty normal to me.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 15,467
    kle4 said:

    Bad news for anyone laying the draw.

    Following the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Friday's play between England and South Africa Men at The Oval, along with all scheduled matches in the Rachael Heyhoe Flint Trophy, will not take place.

    For fixtures beyond Friday, updates will be provided in due course


    https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/2786528/no-play-on-friday-in-third-england-v-south-africa-test-following-death-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii

    Figures.

    I assumed they'd cancel the match and play it as a one off decider some other time, like the India game.
    Why? There are football matches being played right now (eg at Old Trafford). The idea that you should stop everything is crazy - unless the players themselves have refused to play?

  • biggles said:

    President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.

    https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1567955747853451265

    Wow. I don’t think they do that sort of thing much for foreigners…
    None of us are going to see a reign of 70 years again in our lifetimes....
    Not impossible. Mswati III seems a good bet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_reigning_monarchs_by_length_of_reign
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?

    I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 42,433
    Pro_Rata said:

    kle4 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Who would be PM?

    Liz Truss's week:

    Monday: Elected leader of Tory Party

    Tuesday: Fly to Balmoral to meet HM and be invited to form government. Speech at podium. Form government.

    Wednesday: PMQs and run country

    Thursday: While running country, £200 billion gas giveaway speech trumped by illness and death of HM; speech at podium.

    Friday?

    Russian nuclear strike

    Saturday - Black hole

    Edit: I still expect my tax cut though
    Even Craig David is impressed.
    What did he say?

    Can you fill me in?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics

    Hmm. Isn't even a day off for the funeral a bit of a lapse from the high duty shown by the late sovereign? Can't the staff be allowed an hour or two off? It's not like the first Shuttle launch when the techs and I piled into the a/v room to see it on TV. Much easier nowadays.
    How many days off did we have for Diana? It felt like the country ground to a halt for about a fortnight.
    I was on call for A and E that weekend. Nice and quiet.
    I don't think there was any time off work. The funeral was on a Saturday.
    I was in a really bad way that day. My cricket match had been called off…
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very sad. Just heard the news. Strange to think of Charles III being monarch.

    Really? It was nailed on, just a matter of when.
    You are a Christian I think? So are you not going to be a bit interested on regenerating in heaven because it was nailed on, just a matter of when?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics

    Hmm. Isn't even a day off for the funeral a bit of a lapse from the high duty shown by the late sovereign? Can't the staff be allowed an hour or two off? It's not like the first Shuttle launch when the techs and I piled into the a/v room to see it on TV. Much easier nowadays.
    How many days off did we have for Diana? It felt like the country ground to a halt for about a fortnight.
    I was on call for A and E that weekend. Nice and quiet.
    I don't think there was any time off work. The funeral was on a Saturday.
    Yes, I remember sitting around in Casualty swigging tea during the hysteria, thinking all those throwing flowers at the hearse were going to cause an accident.
    I'm thinking that having the Royal Train carry HM down during the night might be very wise, given the electric wiring above the lines.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,253
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Very sad. Just heard the news. Strange to think of Charles III being monarch.

    Really? It was nailed on, just a matter of when.
    Well, there has been a good decade of speculation that he might allow the crown to skip a generation.

    Although, nobody doing the speculating had discussed that with him.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507

    kle4 said:

    Bad news for anyone laying the draw.

    Following the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Friday's play between England and South Africa Men at The Oval, along with all scheduled matches in the Rachael Heyhoe Flint Trophy, will not take place.

    For fixtures beyond Friday, updates will be provided in due course


    https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/2786528/no-play-on-friday-in-third-england-v-south-africa-test-following-death-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii

    Figures.

    I assumed they'd cancel the match and play it as a one off decider some other time, like the India game.
    Why? There are football matches being played right now (eg at Old Trafford). The idea that you should stop everything is crazy - unless the players themselves have refused to play?

    Wait and see - tonight’s games were already in progress (as in fans arriving etc). The weekends fixtures are certain to be pulled ‘out of respect’.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Taz said:
    He's had a lotta practice telling that story.
    I felt sad for a few days when Lyndon Johnson died.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 15,467

    Bad news for anyone laying the draw.

    Following the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Friday's play between England and South Africa Men at The Oval, along with all scheduled matches in the Rachael Heyhoe Flint Trophy, will not take place.

    For fixtures beyond Friday, updates will be provided in due course


    https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/2786528/no-play-on-friday-in-third-england-v-south-africa-test-following-death-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii

    Imagine it will be match abandoned rather than a draw.
    Why?
  • The LBJ Library on why the Queen and LBJ never met (they don't know):

    https://twitter.com/LBJLibrary/status/1017815356772114433

    IIRC relations between LBJ & Wilson were pretty frosty as the UK refused to support the USA militarily in Vietnam...

    True. But LBJ met with HW at least once, and I think more than that.

    Guy to ask methinks would be Bill Moyers.

    Maybe LBJ was saving hobnobbing with QEII for his 2nd term, which of course never happened?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    My employer (university) continuing business as normal except - probably - on the day of the funeral.

    #leftywokerepublicanhereticalacademics

    Hmm. Isn't even a day off for the funeral a bit of a lapse from the high duty shown by the late sovereign? Can't the staff be allowed an hour or two off? It's not like the first Shuttle launch when the techs and I piled into the a/v room to see it on TV. Much easier nowadays.
    How many days off did we have for Diana? It felt like the country ground to a halt for about a fortnight.
    I was on call for A and E that weekend. Nice and quiet.
    I don't think there was any time off work. The funeral was on a Saturday.
    Yes, I remember sitting around in Casualty swigging tea during the hysteria, thinking all those throwing flowers at the hearse were going to cause an accident.
    I'm thinking that having the Royal Train carry HM down during the night might be very wise, given the electric wiring above the lines.
    So they could turn the wires off?
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