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Er, sporting fixtures are a big part of the economy and people’s livelihoods, you’ll find.wooliedyed said:
No. Sporting fixtures are not the economy nor peoples access to food, heat, medicine etcAnabobazina said:Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
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Apparently football carried on when the old king died. This is Man United vs Preston 3 days after George VI died:Anabobazina said:
Spot on. Most of all, in absolutely loathe the idea that someone dictates this on the part of the fans and players. What was the attendance at Old Trafford tonight? 50,000? 60,000?MikeL said:Things will be cancelled simply because nobody wants to be accused of showing disrespect.
All the UEFA club games have gone ahead tonight as usual without any issues whatsoever. Were any players too upset to play tonight? Have many spectators decided not to attend tonight because they are mourning? Of course not. So why cancel games on Saturday if not tonight? Surely people are far more likely to be upset or in shock tonight than on Saturday.
The day of the funeral is obviously a different matter and I can understand cancelling things on that day.
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The speech wss ok, maybe a bit more emotive than Truss not that it matters, he should have been on his feet howeverNorthern_Al said:
You're warming to Starmer, aren't you? If he were a Tory, you'd much prefer him to Truss, wouldn't you?HYUFD said:
Thought Starmer spoke well to be fair, far more statesmanlike than Corbyn or even Ed Miliband would have done. Liz did OK too but if we have to have a Labour PM there are worse options than Sir KeirGardenwalker said:The Queen’s death is such a news supernova that Liz’s simply adequate speech is totally drowned out already.
I don’t think Truss really gets a bounce.0 -
Here’s another question.
What happens to all the Queen’s patronages?
Do they all just lapse, or are they divvied up among surviving royals?0 -
That's rather rude about my offspring! They read Marx and Tolstoy rather than posting on Instagram (for all you know).HYUFD said:
Yes well unfortunately too many 30s and under are narcissists who can't see the importance of much beyond their latest Instagram postNorthern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
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How many people attended the game at Old Trafford?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You simply do not reflect the mood of the nation and while you are entitled to your views you are unlikely to have an effect on the next 10 days mourning for the QueenAnabobazina said:
Not so. Games have been cancelled at such short notice many many times in the past. However they were right not to cancel it, those who didn’t want to attend didn’t need to do so.biggles said:
There is a difference. By 1830 it was too late to safely cancel the match.Anabobazina said:The absolute state of cancelling sporting matches when matches ARE ACTUALLY BEING PLAYED NOW. Either a principle applies or it doesn’t.
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They will be replayedAnabobazina said:
Er, sporting fixtures are a big part of the economy and people’s livelihoods, you’ll find.wooliedyed said:
No. Sporting fixtures are not the economy nor peoples access to food, heat, medicine etcAnabobazina said:Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
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It is entirely unconnected, you're really angry and for some reason you've decided that if one thing is cancelled it means everything must be cancelled, as if there is no possibility people could judge things on a case by case basis. There's no logic to that at all, life is not one size fits all.Anabobazina said:
No it’s not unconnected at all. People like cancelling stuff that they aren’t bothered about. So if they don’t have tickets to the Test or the football, they might like cancelling those. But they don’t want to close their local off licence and supermarkets because they want wine and food.kle4 said:
Who are you even arguing with with this stuff? You seem to be saying that organisations are being forced to cancel things (which they clearly aren't, since some are not going to), and now that there can be no differences between any sort of event, but that a single policy must apply for everything? Even though, as I said, advice in these matters is generally to consider what is appropriate within the period, rather than provide a set list of X and Y must happen and Z must not. Certainly it will advise certain things would be preferred not to. But why act like if someone does think a sporting event should be cancelled (and I don't care if they do or don't, I think it is up to them) that that must mean they support closing everything? That's not even extending the logic to absurdity, it's just an unconnected point.Anabobazina said:Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
Give over with the cancelling shit. If the players refuse to play or fans refuse to attend (no evidence so far of that, quite the opposite…) , cancel the games, otherwise carry on.
You are also really confusing me, since you are acting like they are being forced to close and what an outrage that is, but they aren't.2 -
You know that you’re alone in the house. Presumably the PM of New Zealand knows that she isn’t, and that there’s established protocol if she needs to be woken in the middle of the night?biggles said:
The intruder thing is what I was thinking of. Don’t know about you but if I’m woken up with a torch in my face I think I’d be kicking and screaming, and thinking “intruder”.Carnyx said:
One of her security squad trying not to wake her husband while at the same time helping reassure her it's not an intruder?biggles said:
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.Sandpit said:
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.Gardenwalker said:
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.Sandpit said:
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.kle4 said:I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
Minor point I know tonight, just intrigued me.0 -
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.Gardenwalker said:
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK1 -
Her other kingdoms - Canada, Australia etcMattW said:Pedant question.
Charles Statement:
I know her loss will be deeply felt throughout the country, the Realms, and the Commonwealth, and by countless people around the world.
What, in 2022, are the Realms?0 -
So you think the cancellations are to amuse people? That those taking the decisions enjoy it?Anabobazina said:
No it’s not unconnected at all. People like cancelling stuff that they aren’t bothered about. So if they don’t have tickets to the Test or the football, they might like cancelling those. But they don’t want to close their local off licence and supermarkets because they want wine and food.kle4 said:
Who are you even arguing with with this stuff? You seem to be saying that organisations are being forced to cancel things (which they clearly aren't, since some are not going to), and now that there can be no differences between any sort of event, but that a single policy must apply for everything? Even though, as I said, advice in these matters is generally to consider what is appropriate within the period, rather than provide a set list of X and Y must happen and Z must not. Certainly it will advise certain things would be preferred not to. But why act like if someone does think a sporting event should be cancelled (and I don't care if they do or don't, I think it is up to them) that that must mean they support closing everything? That's not even extending the logic to absurdity, it's just an unconnected point.Anabobazina said:Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
Give over with the cancelling shit. If the players refuse to play or fans refuse to attend (no evidence so far of that, quite the opposite…) , cancel the games, otherwise carry on.
I’d suggest take a step back and think about it a bit. A few days with the nation mourning the head of state, who has been head of state for 70 (seventy!) years.4 -
Though to be fair, he doesn't have an election coming up. Our PM did when she said what she did.Northern_Al said:
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.Scott_xP said:Remarkable statement from President Macron. Hard to imagine a contemporary British prime minister being as gracious about a great French figure passing. https://twitter.com/EdwardGLuce/status/1567976520404336640/photo/1
What does it say about us as a nation, or even Conservatives as a party, that she thought her comments were a vote winner?0 -
This is such a strange day, I feel like a bit of an emotional wreck.
Had an interesting dinner in Mayfair with figures from journalism and polling. By no means a left leaning audience or speakers but the consensus view is that the Tories are screwed, 15% chance of forming the next government. Great news from my point of view although it's hard to feel happy about anything this evening. Also - who would want to run this country after the next election? Talk about a poison chalice.
The other thing - extraordinary crowds at Green Park tube, obviously come from the Palace. Mood strangely exuberant, not sombre, in line with eye witness accounts from similar past events. The public love this kind of thing. People like the sense of connection that comes with it, I think.
Final thought - is Leon accounted for? I can't believe he really went on a 15km walk with only a bottle of white wine to drink - feels like more of his mythos under construction - but I do hope he is okay. By any rational benchmark he is utterly reprehensible but he is ours.2 -
Didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition about this! I’ve woken principals. It was usually by phone or door knock.Carnyx said:
As opposed to being woken in the dark?biggles said:
The intruder thing is what I was thinking of. Don’t know about you but if I’m woken up with a torch in my face I think I’d be kicking and screaming, and thinking “intruder”.Carnyx said:
One of her security squad trying not to wake her husband while at the same time helping reassure her it's not an intruder?biggles said:
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.Sandpit said:
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.Gardenwalker said:
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.Sandpit said:
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.kle4 said:I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
Minor point I know tonight, just intrigued me.
I just raised a very minor eyebrow and can’t see myself signing up on “Op torch in the face”.
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That's pretty much guaranteed to screw things up. It's a very non-trivial problem to correctly replace strings across a large body of text. You will run into all sorts of corner cases with things like quotes, where you don't want to change what was said, or references, and many other issues.IshmaelZ said:
Um, I am a non techie 60 year old, and I know how grep works. You claim to be 30 ish and haven’t heard of search and replace?biggles said:
Some poor sod in each Department’s digital team needs to track down every reference to “Her Majesty” or “the Queen” on gov.uk.kle4 said:I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.4 -
And they will be rescheduled.Anabobazina said:
Er, sporting fixtures are a big part of the economy and people’s livelihoods, you’ll find.wooliedyed said:
No. Sporting fixtures are not the economy nor peoples access to food, heat, medicine etcAnabobazina said:Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
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Personally I'd postpone tomorrow if they want to show respect by not playing, but carry on with the weekend fixtures. Rearranging that many will be quite awkward with such busy yearly schedules. That way they've made a gesture without being too disruptive.turbotubbs said:
EFL postpones all Friday fixtures with a decision about the rest of the weekend waiting on official mourning guidance.kle4 said:
I wouldn't have, but nations cancel stuff when heads of state die, I don't know why you are so incredibly upset by that. It's up to the organisers to decide what they want to do, I may not agree with their choices but I don't think it is worth getting so angry about either, no one as far we can tell is forcing them to cancel anything. So if you must be as angry as you appear to be about it, direct it solely at the organisers, not the occasion, the occasion is not mandating it.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.2 -
kle4 said:
It is entirely unconnected, you're really angry and for some reason you've decided that if one thing is cancelled it means everything must be cancelled, as if there is no possibility people could judge things on a case by case basis. There's no logic to that at all, life is not one size fits all.Anabobazina said:
No it’s not unconnected at all. People like cancelling stuff that they aren’t bothered about. So if they don’t have tickets to the Test or the football, they might like cancelling those. But they don’t want to close their local off licence and supermarkets because they want wine and food.kle4 said:
Who are you even arguing with with this stuff? You seem to be saying that organisations are being forced to cancel things (which they clearly aren't, since some are not going to), and now that there can be no differences between any sort of event, but that a single policy must apply for everything? Even though, as I said, advice in these matters is generally to consider what is appropriate within the period, rather than provide a set list of X and Y must happen and Z must not. Certainly it will advise certain things would be preferred not to. But why act like if someone does think a sporting event should be cancelled (and I don't care if they do or don't, I think it is up to them) that that must mean they support closing everything? That's not even extending the logic to absurdity, it's just an unconnected point.Anabobazina said:Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
Give over with the cancelling shit. If the players refuse to play or fans refuse to attend (no evidence so far of that, quite the opposite…) , cancel the games, otherwise carry on.
You are also really confusing me, since you are acting like they are being forced to close and what an outrage that is, but they aren't.
I am outraged by all the outrage against outrage about outrage about other outrage {keep going to infinity}
Can we cancel someone or something for some reason?1 -
The funeral will not be a public holiday unless they make that change during the planning. As currently set out it will not beHYUFD said:
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.Gardenwalker said:
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK0 -
kle4 said:
I wouldn't have, but nations cancel stuff when heads of state die, I don't know why you are so incredibly upset by that. It's up to the organisers to decide what they want to do, I may not agree with their choices but I don't think it is worth getting so angry about either, no one as far we can tell is forcing them to cancel anything. So if you must be as angry as you appear to be about it, direct it solely at the organisers, not the occasion, the occasion is not mandating it.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
We have spend the last two and a half years closing stuff down and telling people they can’t do stuff.
Let people make their own choices.
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Definitely a comment on Tory members not the country as a whole. I am sure that most people thought her comments tacky in the extreme.Stuartinromford said:
Though to be fair, he doesn't have an election coming up. Our PM did when she said what she did.Northern_Al said:
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.Scott_xP said:Remarkable statement from President Macron. Hard to imagine a contemporary British prime minister being as gracious about a great French figure passing. https://twitter.com/EdwardGLuce/status/1567976520404336640/photo/1
What does it say about us as a nation, or even Conservatives as a party, that she thought her comments were a vote winner?0 -
Indeed, Zelensky specifically asked Macron to talk to Putin after the invasion:CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
The reaction to Ukraine invasion from him showed a man of real honour and courage. He spoke to Putin because he was trusted to do so, despite what the French haters would have you believe he is a fine manNorthern_Al said:
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.Scott_xP said:Remarkable statement from President Macron. Hard to imagine a contemporary British prime minister being as gracious about a great French figure passing. https://twitter.com/EdwardGLuce/status/1567976520404336640/photo/1
"Some pretty incredible footage of Macron talking to Zelensky on the morning of the invasion, when the scale of the full-scale Russian assault on Ukraine was becoming clear."
https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1567518365761011712?t=B6TYzdZThHbtlAjMpt8Vxw&s=190 -
London professionals always seems to underestimate the chances of the Tories winning the next election. I'd put it at 40-45%. 15% is too low IMO.OnlyLivingBoy said:This is such a strange day, I feel like a bit of an emotional wreck.
Had an interesting dinner in Mayfair with figures from journalism and polling. By no means a left leaning audience or speakers but the consensus view is that the Tories are screwed, 15% chance of forming the next government. Great news from my point of view although it's hard to feel happy about anything this evening. Also - who would want to run this country after the next election? Talk about a poison chalice.
The other thing - extraordinary crowds at Green Park tube, obviously come from the Palace. Mood strangely exuberant, not sombre, in line with eye witness accounts from similar past events. The public love this kind of thing. People like the sense of connection that comes with it, I think.
Final thought - is Leon accounted for? I can't believe he really went on a 15km walk with only a bottle of white wine to drink - feels like more of his mythos under construction - but I do hope he is okay. By any rational benchmark he is utterly reprehensible but he is ours.
Hope Leon's okay after his trek.1 -
Yes @leon has reached the safety of a new hotel bar.OnlyLivingBoy said:This is such a strange day, I feel like a bit of an emotional wreck.
Had an interesting dinner in Mayfair with figures from journalism and polling. By no means a left leaning audience or speakers but the consensus view is that the Tories are screwed, 15% chance of forming the next government. Great news from my point of view although it's hard to feel happy about anything this evening. Also - who would want to run this country after the next election? Talk about a poison chalice.
The other thing - extraordinary crowds at Green Park tube, obviously come from the Palace. Mood strangely exuberant, not sombre, in line with eye witness accounts from similar past events. The public love this kind of thing. People like the sense of connection that comes with it, I think.
Final thought - is Leon accounted for? I can't believe he really went on a 15km walk with only a bottle of white wine to drink - feels like more of his mythos under construction - but I do hope he is okay. By any rational benchmark he is utterly reprehensible but he is ours.1 -
The day of the funeral as a weekday will be a public holiday and national day of mourning I can assure you, though am not going too much into how I know thatwooliedyed said:
The funeral will not be a public holiday unless they make that change during the planning. As currently set out it will not beHYUFD said:
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.Gardenwalker said:
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK0 -
God knows what they talked about for an hour at a time several times. I bet Putin is a bit of a rambler.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
The reaction to Ukraine invasion from him showed a man of real honour and courage. He spoke to Putin because he was trusted to do so, despite what the French haters would have you believe he is a fine manNorthern_Al said:
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.Scott_xP said:Remarkable statement from President Macron. Hard to imagine a contemporary British prime minister being as gracious about a great French figure passing. https://twitter.com/EdwardGLuce/status/1567976520404336640/photo/1
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And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sadNorthern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
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Pretty sure it will be a holiday.wooliedyed said:
The funeral will not be a public holiday unless they make that change during the planning. As currently set out it will not beHYUFD said:
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.Gardenwalker said:
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK0 -
They lapse, but since she cared about them I expect that in practice they then get first dibs.Gardenwalker said:Here’s another question.
What happens to all the Queen’s patronages?
Do they all just lapse, or are they divvied up among surviving royals?
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That's remarkable after only 2 days as PM.moonshine said:Elizabeth the Great is a tag that seems to be sticking on the BBC.
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"Relevant to their lives"Northern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
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So, if one team doesn’t want to play, what should the league do?Anabobazina said:kle4 said:
I wouldn't have, but nations cancel stuff when heads of state die, I don't know why you are so incredibly upset by that. It's up to the organisers to decide what they want to do, I may not agree with their choices but I don't think it is worth getting so angry about either, no one as far we can tell is forcing them to cancel anything. So if you must be as angry as you appear to be about it, direct it solely at the organisers, not the occasion, the occasion is not mandating it.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
We have spend the last two and a half years closing stuff down and telling people they can’t do stuff.
Let people make their own choices.
Face it, London Bridge is down, and events are going to be cancelled for the next 10 days.1 -
No, I’ve thought about this. My wife sleeps on the door side of the bed and so will always get disturbed by the burglar first.Sandpit said:
You know that you’re alone in the house. Presumably the PM of New Zealand knows that she isn’t, and that there’s established protocol if she needs to be woken in the middle of the night?biggles said:
The intruder thing is what I was thinking of. Don’t know about you but if I’m woken up with a torch in my face I think I’d be kicking and screaming, and thinking “intruder”.Carnyx said:
One of her security squad trying not to wake her husband while at the same time helping reassure her it's not an intruder?biggles said:
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.Sandpit said:
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.Gardenwalker said:
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.Sandpit said:
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.kle4 said:I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
Minor point I know tonight, just intrigued me.
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The four most populous of King Charles III’s commonwealth realms are, in descending order:
1) Canada
2) Australia
3) New Zealand
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The diplomatic niceties still intact
Vladimir Putin has written to King Charles following the death of the Queen.
The Russian president conveyed his condolences despite the ongoing conflict in Ukraine and the Queen’s support for its people.
The Russian leader’s note to the new king read: ‘Your Majesty, please accept our deepest condolences on the passing of Queen Elizabeth II.
‘The most important events in the recent history of the United Kingdom are inextricably linked with the name of Her Majesty.
‘For many decades, Elizabeth II rightfully enjoyed the love and respect of her subjects, as well as authority on the world stage.
‘I wish you courage and perseverance in the face of this heavy, irreparable loss.
‘I ask you to convey the words of sincere sympathy and support to the members of the royal family and all the people of Great Britain.’
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/08/queen-elizabeth-ii-dead-vladimir-putin-writes-to-king-charles-17331238/1 -
Liz Truss is going to win on ideas, not on being interested or engaging.0
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Also Lord of Man, and Duke of Normandy (re: Channel Islands).Sunil_Prasannan said:
UK, NZ, Canada, Australia, Jamaica, Papua New Guinea, Antigua & Barbuda, Bahamas, Belize, Grenada, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Saint Lucia, St Vincent & the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, and Tuvalu.Gardenwalker said:
NZ, Canada, Australia and about a dozen more.MattW said:Pedant question.
Charles Statement:
I know her loss will be deeply felt throughout the country, the Realms, and the Commonwealth, and by countless people around the world.
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I will not be remotely surprised if it is, i was just pointing out that unless and until a bank holiday is announced, its not currently set to beHYUFD said:
The day of the funeral as a weekday will be a public holiday and national day of mourning I can assure you, though am not going too much into how I know thatwooliedyed said:
The funeral will not be a public holiday unless they make that change during the planning. As currently set out it will not beHYUFD said:
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.Gardenwalker said:
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
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Drop the politics for a night, Macron has said all sorts of things in the right contexts about British PMs too.Stuartinromford said:
Though to be fair, he doesn't have an election coming up. Our PM did when she said what she did.Northern_Al said:
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.Scott_xP said:Remarkable statement from President Macron. Hard to imagine a contemporary British prime minister being as gracious about a great French figure passing. https://twitter.com/EdwardGLuce/status/1567976520404336640/photo/1
What does it say about us as a nation, or even Conservatives as a party, that she thought her comments were a vote winner?
Saying one thing in the cut and thrust of politics, is completely different to what people say in a moment of tragedy.2 -
I assume 60,000+ but most would have either been in the ground or on their way when the announcement was madeAnabobazina said:
How many people attended the game at Old Trafford?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You simply do not reflect the mood of the nation and while you are entitled to your views you are unlikely to have an effect on the next 10 days mourning for the QueenAnabobazina said:
Not so. Games have been cancelled at such short notice many many times in the past. However they were right not to cancel it, those who didn’t want to attend didn’t need to do so.biggles said:
There is a difference. By 1830 it was too late to safely cancel the match.Anabobazina said:The absolute state of cancelling sporting matches when matches ARE ACTUALLY BEING PLAYED NOW. Either a principle applies or it doesn’t.
(It shouldn’t, if people don’t want to watch a match they are under no obligation to do so)
The minutes silence was observed impeccably with lots of spectators visibly upset
You could have heard a pin drop
As I said you are very much a minority and the next 10 days will demonstrate to all of us and the world how much the Queen was loved and admired
Of course there are those who don't support the monarchy but that is their choice and best they do not to watch too much TV as is going to be wall to wall coverage for days2 -
kle4 said:
It is entirely unconnected, you're really angry and for some reason you've decided that if one thing is cancelled it means everything must be cancelled, as if there is no possibility peopleAnabobazina said:
No it’s not unconnected at all. People like cancelling stuff that they aren’t bothered about. So if they don’t have tickets to the Test or the football, they might like cancelling those. But they don’t want to close their local off licence and supermarkets because they want wine and food.kle4 said:
Who are you even arguing with with this stuff? You seem to be saying that organisations are being forced to cancel things (which they clearly aren't, since some are not going to), and now that there can be no differences between any sort of event, but that a single policy must apply for everything? Even though, as I said, advice in these matters is generally to consider what is appropriate within the period, rather than provide a set list of X and Y must happen and Z must not. Certainly it will advise certain things would be preferred not to. But why act like if someone does think a sporting event should be cancelled (and I don't care if they do or don't, I think it is up to them) that that must mean they support closing everything? That's not even extending the logic to absurdity, it's just an unconnected point.Anabobazina said:Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
Give over with the cancelling shit. If the players refuse to play or fans refuse to attend (no evidence so far of that, quite the opposite…) , cancel the games, otherwise carry on.
could judge things on a case by case basis. There's no logic to that at all, life is not one size fits all.
You are also really confusing me, since you are
acting like they are being forced to close and what an outrage that is, but they aren't.
Can you run past me the ‘case’ for football matches being cancelled?
Why not simply cancel events if people refuse to staff or attend them?
No evidence of that so far, how many people were at Old Trafford tonight? Did the players refuse to play?
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Well if they read Marx rather than post on Instagram they are certainly not typical of their generationNorthern_Al said:
That's rather rude about my offspring! They read Marx and Tolstoy rather than posting on Instagram (for all you know).HYUFD said:
Yes well unfortunately too many 30s and under are narcissists who can't see the importance of much beyond their latest Instagram postNorthern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
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Jamaica 4thcarnforth said:The four most populous of King Charles III’s commonwealth realms are, in descending order:
1) Canada
2) Australia
3) New Zealand
I missed one out - what is it, and in which position does it sit? No Googling…0 -
I am not sure what to do. I have a case calling in Dumfries by webex. There has been no official indication that it is not happening so I had better turn up. For all the alleged plans there is some confusion about this sort of thing.wooliedyed said:
I don't work so no i am notAnabobazina said:
Are you going to work in the morning?wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
If i did - yes i would0 -
The Department for Education (DfE) has said schools and further education colleges in England should remain open as normal during the official mourning period following the Queen’s death, until further notice.
In a message to principals and heads, the DfE said it would issue further guidance on closures after details of the funeral are confirmed by the Royal household.
The DfE said: “Schools and Further Education settings should remain open. While normal attendance is expected, headteachers continue to have the power to authorise leaves of absence for pupils in exceptional circumstances.”
It said schools may want to “consider conducting special activities, holding assemblies or adapting planned lessons” to commemorate the Queen’s life during the mourning period.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2022/sep/08/queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-royals-monarchy-latest-news-updates?page=with:block-631a5ab38f0804237ace5581#block-631a5ab38f0804237ace55810 -
Wow, not seen that before. Astonishing footage.Foxy said:
Indeed, Zelensky specifically asked Macron to talk to Putin after the invasion:CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
The reaction to Ukraine invasion from him showed a man of real honour and courage. He spoke to Putin because he was trusted to do so, despite what the French haters would have you believe he is a fine manNorthern_Al said:
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.Scott_xP said:Remarkable statement from President Macron. Hard to imagine a contemporary British prime minister being as gracious about a great French figure passing. https://twitter.com/EdwardGLuce/status/1567976520404336640/photo/1
"Some pretty incredible footage of Macron talking to Zelensky on the morning of the invasion, when the scale of the full-scale Russian assault on Ukraine was becoming clear."
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Nobody is forced to attend or indeed play in a football match, should they be unwilling to do so, cancel them by all means.turbotubbs said:
So you think the cancellations are to amuse people? That those taking the decisions enjoy it?Anabobazina said:
No it’s not unconnected at all. People like cancelling stuff that they aren’t bothered about. So if they don’t have tickets to the Test or the football, they might like cancelling those. But they don’t want to close their local off licence and supermarkets because they want wine and food.kle4 said:
Who are you even arguing with with this stuff? You seem to be saying that organisations are being forced to cancel things (which they clearly aren't, since some are not going to), and now that there can be no differences between any sort of event, but that a single policy must apply for everything? Even though, as I said, advice in these matters is generally to consider what is appropriate within the period, rather than provide a set list of X and Y must happen and Z must not. Certainly it will advise certain things would be preferred not to. But why act like if someone does think a sporting event should be cancelled (and I don't care if they do or don't, I think it is up to them) that that must mean they support closing everything? That's not even extending the logic to absurdity, it's just an unconnected point.Anabobazina said:Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
Give over with the cancelling shit. If the players refuse to play or fans refuse to attend (no evidence so far of that, quite the opposite…) , cancel the games, otherwise carry on.
I’d suggest take a step back and think about it a bit. A few days with the nation mourning the head of state, who has been head of state for 70 (seventy!) years.0 -
You survived the trek then.Leon said:
And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sadNorthern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
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What, that she's your daughter?Leon said:
And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sadNorthern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
Oh I see, you mean about HMQ. Sorry.1 -
I'm surprised you can talk to Putin for an hour without him cutting you off. I'd have lasted less than a minute.kle4 said:
God knows what they talked about for an hour at a time several times. I bet Putin is a bit of a rambler.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
The reaction to Ukraine invasion from him showed a man of real honour and courage. He spoke to Putin because he was trusted to do so, despite what the French haters would have you believe he is a fine manNorthern_Al said:
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.Scott_xP said:Remarkable statement from President Macron. Hard to imagine a contemporary British prime minister being as gracious about a great French figure passing. https://twitter.com/EdwardGLuce/status/1567976520404336640/photo/1
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Obviously thoroughly shining examples of hard work and endeavour.HYUFD said:
Well if they read Marx rather than post on Instagram they are certainly not typical of their generationNorthern_Al said:
That's rather rude about my offspring! They read Marx and Tolstoy rather than posting on Instagram (for all you know).HYUFD said:
Yes well unfortunately too many 30s and under are narcissists who can't see the importance of much beyond their latest Instagram postNorthern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
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Not a commonwealth realm (he is not head of state)Carnyx said:
Nigeria between 1 and 2?carnforth said:The four most populous of King Charles III’s commonwealth realms are, in descending order:
1) Canada
2) Australia
3) New Zealand
I missed one out - what is it, and in which position does it sit? No Googling…1 -
Why would I do that when I don't think they should be cancelled? But I also won't throw a tantrum if the footballing authorities decide they do want to, nor would I claim that if they did then everything else in the country must do the same.Anabobazina said:kle4 said:
It is entirely unconnected, you're really angry and for some reason you've decided that if one thing is cancelled it means everything must be cancelled, as if there is no possibility peopleAnabobazina said:
No it’s not unconnected at all. People like cancelling stuff that they aren’t bothered about. So if they don’t have tickets to the Test or the football, they might like cancelling those. But they don’t want to close their local off licence and supermarkets because they want wine and food.kle4 said:
Who are you even arguing with with this stuff? You seem to be saying that organisations are being forced to cancel things (which they clearly aren't, since some are not going to), and now that there can be no differences between any sort of event, but that a single policy must apply for everything? Even though, as I said, advice in these matters is generally to consider what is appropriate within the period, rather than provide a set list of X and Y must happen and Z must not. Certainly it will advise certain things would be preferred not to. But why act like if someone does think a sporting event should be cancelled (and I don't care if they do or don't, I think it is up to them) that that must mean they support closing everything? That's not even extending the logic to absurdity, it's just an unconnected point.Anabobazina said:Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
Give over with the cancelling shit. If the players refuse to play or fans refuse to attend (no evidence so far of that, quite the opposite…) , cancel the games, otherwise carry on.
could judge things on a case by case basis. There's no logic to that at all, life is not one size fits all.
You are also really confusing me, since you are
acting like they are being forced to close and what an outrage that is, but they aren't.
Can you run past me the ‘case’ for football matches being cancelled?
There will be guidance, but they can do what they want. Seems pretty straightforward to me.2 -
Bit of a bugger for all the patients I have booked.wooliedyed said:
I will not be remotely surprised if it is, i was just pointing out that unless and until a bank holiday is announced, its not currently set to beHYUFD said:
The day of the funeral as a weekday will be a public holiday and national day of mourning I can assure you, though am not going too much into how I know thatwooliedyed said:
The funeral will not be a public holiday unless they make that change during the planning. As currently set out it will not beHYUFD said:
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.Gardenwalker said:
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK0 -
Putin does the right thing for oncekle4 said:The diplomatic niceties still intact
Vladimir Putin has written to King Charles following the death of the Queen.
The Russian president conveyed his condolences despite the ongoing conflict in Ukraine and the Queen’s support for its people.
The Russian leader’s note to the new king read: ‘Your Majesty, please accept our deepest condolences on the passing of Queen Elizabeth II.
‘The most important events in the recent history of the United Kingdom are inextricably linked with the name of Her Majesty.
‘For many decades, Elizabeth II rightfully enjoyed the love and respect of her subjects, as well as authority on the world stage.
‘I wish you courage and perseverance in the face of this heavy, irreparable loss.
‘I ask you to convey the words of sincere sympathy and support to the members of the royal family and all the people of Great Britain.’
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/08/queen-elizabeth-ii-dead-vladimir-putin-writes-to-king-charles-17331238/1 -
Although his expiring on the same day as HMQ would be very in character attention seeking?Andy_JS said:
London professionals always seems to underestimate the chances of the Tories winning the next election. I'd put it at 40-45%. 15% is too low IMO.OnlyLivingBoy said:This is such a strange day, I feel like a bit of an emotional wreck.
Had an interesting dinner in Mayfair with figures from journalism and polling. By no means a left leaning audience or speakers but the consensus view is that the Tories are screwed, 15% chance of forming the next government. Great news from my point of view although it's hard to feel happy about anything this evening. Also - who would want to run this country after the next election? Talk about a poison chalice.
The other thing - extraordinary crowds at Green Park tube, obviously come from the Palace. Mood strangely exuberant, not sombre, in line with eye witness accounts from similar past events. The public love this kind of thing. People like the sense of connection that comes with it, I think.
Final thought - is Leon accounted for? I can't believe he really went on a 15km walk with only a bottle of white wine to drink - feels like more of his mythos under construction - but I do hope he is okay. By any rational benchmark he is utterly reprehensible but he is ours.
Hope Leon's okay after his trek.1 -
the UK is a Commonwealth realm…carnforth said:The four most populous of King Charles III’s commonwealth realms are, in descending order:
1) Canada
2) Australia
3) New Zealand
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The Queen made 10 visits to NZ.
She was in the country for and paid tribute to the victims of the “Tangiwai Disaster”, a rail disaster which killed 151 passengers travelling home on Christmas Eve 1953, one of those events that define national memory. Tangiwai can be translated as “weeping waters”.
In 1986 she was confronted with the bare bum of a Māori protester as she toured Napier in a motorcade. Earlier, in Auckland, she had been pelted with eggs by two women during a meeting with school children.
The Queen gamely declared that she preferred NZ eggs “for breakfast”.2 -
Nigeria would (if it were correct) be miles out in front, its over 100 million, more than the UKCarnyx said:
Nigeria between 1 and 2?carnforth said:The four most populous of King Charles III’s commonwealth realms are, in descending order:
1) Canada
2) Australia
3) New Zealand
I missed one out - what is it, and in which position does it sit? No Googling…1 -
What it says.Andy_JS said:
"Relevant to their lives"Northern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
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Yeah maybe. My thought too. But the guy who said it was a Tory and a pollster not just some random London Remoaner.Andy_JS said:
London professionals always seems to underestimate the chances of the Tories winning the next election. I'd put it at 40-45%. 15% is too low IMO.OnlyLivingBoy said:This is such a strange day, I feel like a bit of an emotional wreck.
Had an interesting dinner in Mayfair with figures from journalism and polling. By no means a left leaning audience or speakers but the consensus view is that the Tories are screwed, 15% chance of forming the next government. Great news from my point of view although it's hard to feel happy about anything this evening. Also - who would want to run this country after the next election? Talk about a poison chalice.
The other thing - extraordinary crowds at Green Park tube, obviously come from the Palace. Mood strangely exuberant, not sombre, in line with eye witness accounts from similar past events. The public love this kind of thing. People like the sense of connection that comes with it, I think.
Final thought - is Leon accounted for? I can't believe he really went on a 15km walk with only a bottle of white wine to drink - feels like more of his mythos under construction - but I do hope he is okay. By any rational benchmark he is utterly reprehensible but he is ours.
Hope Leon's okay after his trek.0 -
This is all extremely sad.
But the BBC coverage now is absolute cringe2 -
No, and the answer is not 4th. I Should have been more specific…wooliedyed said:
Jamaica 4thcarnforth said:The four most populous of King Charles III’s commonwealth realms are, in descending order:
1) Canada
2) Australia
3) New Zealand
I missed one out - what is it, and in which position does it sit? No Googling…
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Not sure if you are correct as I understand she will lie in state in Holyrood Palace for 3 days before being returned to London by train on TuesdayHYUFD said:
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.Gardenwalker said:
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK0 -
We are looking for a Commonwealth country of population 30 million-ish, with the Queen/King HoS.carnforth said:
Not a commonwealth realm (he is not head of state)Carnyx said:
Nigeria between 1 and 2?carnforth said:The four most populous of King Charles III’s commonwealth realms are, in descending order:
1) Canada
2) Australia
3) New Zealand
I missed one out - what is it, and in which position does it sit? No Googling…
PNG?0 -
Not until Liz Truss buffs up the military and puts them to use!carnforth said:
Not a commonwealth realm (he is not head of state)Carnyx said:
Nigeria between 1 and 2?carnforth said:The four most populous of King Charles III’s commonwealth realms are, in descending order:
1) Canada
2) Australia
3) New Zealand
I missed one out - what is it, and in which position does it sit? No Googling…0 -
Then cancelling is valid in that scenario. Do you have any evidence that teams are unwilling to play?Sandpit said:
So, if one team doesn’t want to play, what should the league do?Anabobazina said:kle4 said:
I wouldn't have, but nations cancel stuff when heads of state die, I don't know why you are so incredibly upset by that. It's up to the organisers to decide what they want to do, I may not agree with their choices but I don't think it is worth getting so angry about either, no one as far we can tell is forcing them to cancel anything. So if you must be as angry as you appear to be about it, direct it solely at the organisers, not the occasion, the occasion is not mandating it.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
We have spend the last two and a half years closing stuff down and telling people they can’t do stuff.
Let people make their own choices.
Face it, London Bridge is down, and events are going to be cancelled for the next 10 days.
(See @Foxy’s post above.)
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A different world.
I have been around a long time and all my life I was brought up to respect Elizabeth II. Which I always did.
In the pub tonight, they were showing the football then flashed over to Sky News for 5 mins. Then back to the football. No one seemed interested.
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Correct, my mistake. But not the answer. It lies between 1) and 2) or between 2) and 3).StillWaters said:
the UK is a Commonwealth realm…carnforth said:The four most populous of King Charles III’s commonwealth realms are, in descending order:
1) Canada
2) Australia
3) New Zealand
I missed one out - what is it, and in which position does it sit? No Googling…
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Very glad my 4th covid jab is on the 21st.Foxy said:
Bit of a bugger for all the patients I have booked.wooliedyed said:
I will not be remotely surprised if it is, i was just pointing out that unless and until a bank holiday is announced, its not currently set to beHYUFD said:
The day of the funeral as a weekday will be a public holiday and national day of mourning I can assure you, though am not going too much into how I know thatwooliedyed said:
The funeral will not be a public holiday unless they make that change during the planning. As currently set out it will not beHYUFD said:
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.Gardenwalker said:
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK0 -
And my 81 year old Mother is delighted that a parasite has gone.Leon said:
And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sadNorthern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
Wasn't an easy phone call at all.0 -
Sad to think Diana might have been Queen Consort now.0
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I think work and retail is supposed to go on as normal. social, sporting and leisure events on a case by case decision for the organisers or organisations to decideDavidL said:
I am not sure what to do. I have a case calling in Dumfries by webex. There has been no official indication that it is not happening so I had better turn up. For all the alleged plans there is some confusion about this sort of thing.wooliedyed said:
I don't work so no i am notAnabobazina said:
Are you going to work in the morning?wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
If i did - yes i would0 -
Time to turn off then.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:This is all extremely sad.
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Winner winner chicken dinner!Foxy said:
We are looking for a Commonwealth country of population 30 million-ish, with the Queen/King HoS.carnforth said:
Not a commonwealth realm (he is not head of state)Carnyx said:
Nigeria between 1 and 2?carnforth said:The four most populous of King Charles III’s commonwealth realms are, in descending order:
1) Canada
2) Australia
3) New Zealand
I missed one out - what is it, and in which position does it sit? No Googling…
PNG?
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They have no interest in the Royal Family and the existence of the Royal Family bears no direct relationship to how they run their lives.Andy_JS said:
"Relevant to their lives"Northern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
What exactly does this mean?
Don't forget people below a certain age don't watch live stream TV.1 -
Oooh I’ve been looking for a betting angle on this, all day. At about 2pm, I was going to propose a market on “hours until QE’s death is announced.” Then I realised I wasn’t a dickhead and scrubbed my post.HYUFD said:
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.Gardenwalker said:
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK
Anyway, I think I can get away with this;
To attend the funeral?
Xi Jinping
Yes 10/1
No 1/10
Bolsonaro
Yes 1/5
No 5/1
Putin
Yes 100/1
No 1/100
Zelensky
Yes Evens
No Evens
Others on request.
Are my odds wrong, PB?
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The horror!wooliedyed said:
I think work and retail is supposed to go on as normal. social, sporting and leisure events on a case by case decision for the organisers or organisations to decideDavidL said:
I am not sure what to do. I have a case calling in Dumfries by webex. There has been no official indication that it is not happening so I had better turn up. For all the alleged plans there is some confusion about this sort of thing.wooliedyed said:
I don't work so no i am notAnabobazina said:
Are you going to work in the morning?wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
If i did - yes i would0 -
A bit awkward for Barbados who ditched the monarchy a few months ago.0
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I regularly walked 20km in my thirties without even a bottle of white wine, though usually in rather rainy places.1
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They do check Internet news and twitter howeverMexicanpete said:
They have no interest in the Royal family and the existence of the royal family bears no direct relationship to how they run their lives.Andy_JS said:
"Relevant to their lives"Northern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
What exactly does this mean?
Don't forget people below a certain age don't watch live stream TV.0 -
Unfortunately, even the capital of PNG is not considered safe for tourists. Also the country with the some of most recent alleged cannibalism.0
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Ivermectin did the trick then?dixiedean said:
And my 81 year old Mother is delighted that a parasite has gone.Leon said:
And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sadNorthern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
Wasn't an easy phone call at all.1 -
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Time to turn off then.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:This is all extremely sad.
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I admire her actually. I rather liked the silence which as you say was beautifully observed. A much better way to commemorate her death rather than just cancelling stuff.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I assume 60,000+ but most would have either been in the ground or on their way when the announcement was madeAnabobazina said:
How many people attended the game at Old Trafford?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You simply do not reflect the mood of the nation and while you are entitled to your views you are unlikely to have an effect on the next 10 days mourning for the QueenAnabobazina said:
Not so. Games have been cancelled at such short notice many many times in the past. However they were right not to cancel it, those who didn’t want to attend didn’t need to do so.biggles said:
There is a difference. By 1830 it was too late to safely cancel the match.Anabobazina said:The absolute state of cancelling sporting matches when matches ARE ACTUALLY BEING PLAYED NOW. Either a principle applies or it doesn’t.
(It shouldn’t, if people don’t want to watch a match they are under no obligation to do so)
The minutes silence was observed impeccably with lots of spectators visibly upset
You could have heard a pin drop
As I said you are very much a minority and the next 10 days will demonstrate to all of us and the world how much the Queen was loved and admired
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All British football is cancelled from tomorrow but if you go to the pub you go to meet people not watch wall to wall news you can watch at homelondonpubman said:A different world.
I have been around a long time and all my life I was brought up to respect Elizabeth II. Which I always did.
In the pub tonight, they were showing the football then flashed over to Sky News for 5 mins. Then back to the football. No one seemed interested.
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Yes, but they can hop to the bits that interest them. No need to sit through a Witchell to, erm, lead them to an understanding of their duties.HYUFD said:
They do check Internet news and twitter howeverMexicanpete said:
They have no interest in the Royal family and the existence of the royal family bears no direct relationship to how they run their lives.Andy_JS said:
"Relevant to their lives"Northern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
What exactly does this mean?
Don't forget people below a certain age don't watch live stream TV.
And twitter for youngsters? I'm not at all sure about your confident assumptions.0 -
Yeah my 77 year old mum complaining about all the "toadying and fawning to the ghastly royals" we have to look forward to. Certainly a range of views out there and hard to characterise it as young vs old, left vs right etc.dixiedean said:
And my 81 year old Mother is delighted that a parasite has gone.Leon said:
And yet my 16 year old daughter seems genuinely a bit shocked and sadNorthern_Al said:I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
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Yours sounds tougher* than mine. I'm always required to take the door side.biggles said:
No, I’ve thought about this. My wife sleeps on the door side of the bed and so will always get disturbed by the burglar first.Sandpit said:
You know that you’re alone in the house. Presumably the PM of New Zealand knows that she isn’t, and that there’s established protocol if she needs to be woken in the middle of the night?biggles said:
The intruder thing is what I was thinking of. Don’t know about you but if I’m woken up with a torch in my face I think I’d be kicking and screaming, and thinking “intruder”.Carnyx said:
One of her security squad trying not to wake her husband while at the same time helping reassure her it's not an intruder?biggles said:
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.Sandpit said:
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.Gardenwalker said:
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.Sandpit said:
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.kle4 said:I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
Minor point I know tonight, just intrigued me.
*or loves you more than mine loves me?
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Which is next weekBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure if you are correct as I understand she will lie in state in Holyrood Palace for 3 days before being returned to London by train on TuesdayHYUFD said:
10 days is needed to transport the body back from Scotland, have the lying in state next week and the full State Funeral on Monday week which will be a public holiday.Gardenwalker said:
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.Anabobazina said:
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?kle4 said:
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.wooliedyed said:I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Heads of State from around the world will be there in one of the biggest gatherings of world leaders for years not just in the UK1 -
I respect their decision to be honest - there's several places that have been clear in their intention to drop the monarchy, and in the case of Jamaica have been promising to do it for at least 15 years and seemingly have the political consensus to (though the process is constitutionally trickier for them I think than Barbados), yet have not yet done it, possibly due to the Queen. At least Barbados just went 'Look, we want to do this, there's no reason to hold off any longer'.Andy_JS said:A bit awkward for Barbados who ditched the monarchy a few months ago.
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