I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Some poor sod in each Department’s digital team needs to track down every reference to “Her Majesty” or “the Queen” on gov.uk.
Which department or other section of HMG will incur the most cost/waste, by having to mulch the most (or most expensive) amount of stationary (yes even in this day & age) pre-printed with "Her Majesty"?
OR will the PM score an early triumph, by decreeing that all such stocks MUST be used until exhausted, in the interest of the Great British Taxpayer? Even unto the next several reigns!
You'd be surprised how much HMG expects us to use the internet. And even when doing things on paper, to download the bumf and print it out at our own expense.
Your comment has prompted me to turn to the filing cabinet fish out the tax return I submitted on paper a few days ago, and interestingly it is not headed "Her Majesty's ..." but "HM Revenue and Customs", while addresses etc are given in that form or as HMRC tout court. Which may indicate someone has been unusually sensible. Pace our wokefinders, there is often a great deal of sense in de-gendering texts and documents ...
Actually that’s a very good point. Take the most famous of examples - ships have always been “HMS” so no repainting is needed.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
By contrast I’m in my thirties (just) and my wife, many of my friends, and I have been very saddened.
Yes. To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that my kids' reaction was universal or typical. Nor that all PB posters are doddery oldies like me. But I reckon you're among the younger end of contributors, with a few others. I was just curious about my own lots' reaction. (They're lefties, mind you!).
As are most of them. So your anecdote is more than likely to be generally applicable, because this is a very relevant gradient.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Some poor sod in each Department’s digital team needs to track down every reference to “Her Majesty” or “the Queen” on gov.uk.
Um, I am a non techie 60 year old, and I know how grep works. You claim to be 30 ish and haven’t heard of search and replace?
From an entirely selfish point of view: they're going to postpone the Traffor11+, aren't they? Due on the 19th. Months, this has hung over us. Finally, she's peaking, but she's also desperate for it to be over. She's very borderline, and she panics, and she doesn't fall into "Oh I'm sure she'll be fine" territory. Makes me want to weep.
I hope not. The idea that you should forcibly cancel life for ordinary people is bloody ludicrous. Good luck to your daughter - I hope she sits on the 19th and passes.
There was OKC's story on the last thread of his school in 1952 and the Headmaster calling an emergency assembly to give the news of HM's passing and saying it wasn't a happy occasion so no half holiday - get back to work!
The absolute state of cancelling sporting matches when matches ARE ACTUALLY BEING PLAYED NOW. Either a principle applies or it doesn’t.
(It shouldn’t, if people don’t want to watch a match they are under no obligation to do so)
FFS 97% of life's choices are resolved by adhering to the principle: don't be a wanker.
If you find that too difficult, fine, but it is still good to stick to the fallback rule, don't be a complete and utter wanker in response to a once in 96 year event. If you can possibly help it.
In what way am I being a wanker? I’m merely saying that games should only be cancelled if players refuse to play or the majority of ticket holders refuse to attend. Given we have no evidence of either, why do you get to decide for other people? Do you suggest we cancel work for the next ten days? Close everything down?
Ah who cares. You’re either a monarchy or you’re not. Having said that, even the US are flying flags half mast for 10 days.
My 7yo came home from her school in New York to let me know that the Queen had died “of old age”, but not to worry because a new King was “stepping up”.
Pretty good summary. And pretty positive considering.
The absolute state of cancelling sporting matches when matches ARE ACTUALLY BEING PLAYED NOW. Either a principle applies or it doesn’t.
(It shouldn’t, if people don’t want to watch a match they are under no obligation to do so)
There is a difference. By 1830 it was too late to safely cancel the match.
Not so. Games have been cancelled at such short notice many many times in the past. However they were right not to cancel it, those who didn’t want to attend didn’t need to do so.
Name one. You’ll find in the your example it was unavoidable.
Games get cancelled during play. I’ve been at two football games called off for weather (one high winds, one a frozen pitch). It is possible, but I suspect it was more prudent to allow these games to go ahead. The weekend is a different matter.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Some poor sod in each Department’s digital team needs to track down every reference to “Her Majesty” or “the Queen” on gov.uk.
Um, I am a non techie 60 year old, and I know how grep works. You claim to be 30 ish and haven’t heard of search and replace?
President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.
The absolute state of cancelling sporting matches when matches ARE ACTUALLY BEING PLAYED NOW. Either a principle applies or it doesn’t.
(It shouldn’t, if people don’t want to watch a match they are under no obligation to do so)
There is a difference. By 1830 it was too late to safely cancel the match.
Not so. Games have been cancelled at such short notice many many times in the past. However they were right not to cancel it, those who didn’t want to attend didn’t need to do so.
Name one. You’ll find in the your example it was unavoidable.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Some poor sod in each Department’s digital team needs to track down every reference to “Her Majesty” or “the Queen” on gov.uk.
Um, I am a non techie 60 year old, and I know how grep works. You claim to be 30 ish and haven’t heard of search and replace?
I'm 35, and some references slip through - look at any local government website for example, and you'll find dead links, out of date information and old references.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
The absolute state of cancelling sporting matches when matches ARE ACTUALLY BEING PLAYED NOW. Either a principle applies or it doesn’t.
(It shouldn’t, if people don’t want to watch a match they are under no obligation to do so)
There is a difference. By 1830 it was too late to safely cancel the match.
Not so. Games have been cancelled at such short notice many many times in the past. However they were right not to cancel it, those who didn’t want to attend didn’t need to do so.
Name one. You’ll find in the your example it was unavoidable.
Things will be cancelled simply because nobody wants to be accused of showing disrespect.
All the UEFA club games have gone ahead tonight as usual without any issues whatsoever. Were any players too upset to play tonight? Have many spectators decided not to attend tonight because they are mourning? Of course not. So why cancel games on Saturday if not tonight? Surely people are far more likely to be upset or in shock tonight than on Saturday.
The day of the funeral is obviously a different matter and I can understand cancelling things on that day.
President Biden orders U.S. flags at the White House and all public buildings, grounds, military posts and naval stations to be flown at half-staff in honor of Queen Elizabeth, until she is buried.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
I have just had a wave of profound sadness sweep over me, for the first time really since the news broke.
I imagine many of us will feel like this in the coming days. It will come and go, and hit when we least expect it. It is grief but of a different kind most of us are accustomed to. It is the end of a chapter in all our lives. It represents a change that goes beyond one woman. We will not see a time like this in our lives again, even for those of us who live to see the next passing of the crown.
'Disgusting' trending on twitter apparently. Seems to be a mixture of attention grabbers competing to be the most insulting, those commenting on the comments which are insulting, and some idiot Trump supporter talking about Hilary, and those talking about her.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
They all have to be informed before the news is released
'Disgusting' trending on twitter apparently. Seems to be a mixture of attention grabbers competing to be the most insulting, those commenting on the comments which are insulting, and some idiot Trump supporter talking about Hilary, and those talking about her.
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
This is why I doubt the mourning bounce will be as enormous for Truss as some of the (older) faithful on here seem to think. She will get some benefit nonetheless.
My children in their twenties undoubtedly understand the magnitude of the moment but don't feel the grief.
I'd be amazed if Truss gets a bounce with any section of the population. Blair was able to milk Diana's death because he was riding high on political adulation himself, he had the acting skills and there was something a bit New Labour about Diana anyway, so her legacy could be easily co-opted. Truss, if she's recognized at all, just seems a kind of intruder, a curious political glitch. I doubt anyone will pay her much heed.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
They all have to be informed before the news is released
Why? (Genuinely). The U.K. PM yes, and the devolved leaders perhaps, but NZ?
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
They all have to be informed before the news is released
Why? (Genuinely). The U.K. PM yes, and the devolved leaders perhaps, but NZ?
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
They all have to be informed before the news is released
Why? (Genuinely). The U.K. PM yes, and the devolved leaders perhaps, but NZ?
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
It’s not like the story was going to change…
If she didn't get her statement out quickly enough the Governor-General removes her as PM. Well known rule.
'Disgusting' trending on twitter apparently. Seems to be a mixture of attention grabbers competing to be the most insulting, those commenting on the comments which are insulting, and some idiot Trump supporter talking about Hilary, and those talking about her.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
It’s not like the story was going to change…
If she didn't get her statement out quickly enough the Governor-General removes her as PM. Well known rule.
Does she not have flunkies? That’s surely a job for a flunky.
Following the death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Friday's play between England and South Africa Men at The Oval, along with all scheduled matches in the Rachael Heyhoe Flint Trophy, will not take place.
For fixtures beyond Friday, updates will be provided in due course
I assumed they'd cancel the match and play it as a one off decider some other time, like the India game.
Why? There are football matches being played right now (eg at Old Trafford). The idea that you should stop everything is crazy - unless the players themselves have refused to play?
I'm sad but it sounds like too much getting cancelled already.
'Disgusting' trending on twitter apparently. Seems to be a mixture of attention grabbers competing to be the most insulting, those commenting on the comments which are insulting, and some idiot Trump supporter talking about Hilary, and those talking about her.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
They all have to be informed before the news is released
Why? (Genuinely). The U.K. PM yes, and the devolved leaders perhaps, but NZ?
Pretty sure NZ outranks the devolved national leaders.
The absolute state of cancelling sporting matches when matches ARE ACTUALLY BEING PLAYED NOW. Either a principle applies or it doesn’t.
(It shouldn’t, if people don’t want to watch a match they are under no obligation to do so)
There is a difference. By 1830 it was too late to safely cancel the match.
Not so. Games have been cancelled at such short notice many many times in the past. However they were right not to cancel it, those who didn’t want to attend didn’t need to do so.
Name one. You’ll find in the your example it was unavoidable.
Games get cancelled during play. I’ve been at two football games called off for weather (one high winds, one a frozen pitch). It is possible, but I suspect it was more prudent to allow these games to go ahead. The weekend is a different matter.
Yup, unavoidable examples as I say.
Nope. Read up on the Forest match. Certainly could have gone ahead safely.
Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
Who are you even arguing with with this stuff? You seem to be saying that organisations are being forced to cancel things (which they clearly aren't, since some are not going to), and now that there can be no differences between any sort of event, but that a single policy must apply for everything? Even though, as I said, advice in these matters is generally to consider what is appropriate within the period, rather than provide a set list of X and Y must happen and Z must not. Certainly it will advise certain things would be preferred not to. But why act like if someone does think a sporting event should be cancelled (and I don't care if they do or don't, I think it is up to them) that that must mean they support closing everything? That's not even extending the logic to absurdity, it's just an unconnected point.
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
By contrast I’m in my thirties (just) and my wife, many of my friends, and I have been very saddened.
Yes. To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that my kids' reaction was universal or typical. Nor that all PB posters are doddery oldies like me. But I reckon you're among the younger end of contributors, with a few others. I was just curious about my own lots' reaction. (They're lefties, mind you!).
Our reaction was it is sad, but not unexpected, and so life goes on. It just isn't a shock really, as this day was always going to come. It reminds me a bit about when Nelson Mandela died, and one of my colleagues was really annoyed with having to do a minutes silence and it being referred to as a 'tragic' event; the fact is he was very old so was obviously going to die.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Re sport. The RL is in trouble. Playoffs start this weekend. One game in France. Runs straight into a World Cup. Rugby Union may have the same issues too. No free weekends in their ludicrously overcrowded schedule.
Things will be cancelled simply because nobody wants to be accused of showing disrespect.
All the UEFA club games have gone ahead tonight as usual without any issues whatsoever. Were any players too upset to play tonight? Have many spectators decided not to attend tonight because they are mourning? Of course not. So why cancel games on Saturday if not tonight? Surely people are far more likely to be upset or in shock tonight than on Saturday.
The day of the funeral is obviously a different matter and I can understand cancelling things on that day.
Spot on. Most of all, in absolutely loathe the idea that someone dictates this on the part of the fans and players. What was the attendance at Old Trafford tonight? 50,000? 60,000?
Charles Statement: I know her loss will be deeply felt throughout the country, the Realms, and the Commonwealth, and by countless people around the world.
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Charles Statement: I know her loss will be deeply felt throughout the country, the Realms, and the Commonwealth, and by countless people around the world.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Some poor sod in each Department’s digital team needs to track down every reference to “Her Majesty” or “the Queen” on gov.uk.
Um, I am a non techie 60 year old, and I know how grep works. You claim to be 30 ish and haven’t heard of search and replace?
Indeed. Fairly trivial to change websites, if required.
The absolute state of cancelling sporting matches when matches ARE ACTUALLY BEING PLAYED NOW. Either a principle applies or it doesn’t.
(It shouldn’t, if people don’t want to watch a match they are under no obligation to do so)
There is a difference. By 1830 it was too late to safely cancel the match.
Not so. Games have been cancelled at such short notice many many times in the past. However they were right not to cancel it, those who didn’t want to attend didn’t need to do so.
You simply do not reflect the mood of the nation and while you are entitled to your views you are unlikely to have an effect on the next 10 days mourning for the Queen
The Queen’s death is such a news supernova that Liz’s simply adequate speech is totally drowned out already.
I don’t think Truss really gets a bounce.
Thought Starmer spoke well to be fair, far more statesmanlike than Corbyn or even Ed Miliband would have done. Liz did OK too but if we have to have a Labour PM there are worse options than Sir Keir
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.
In addition to, and beyond, her many crowns, countries and Commonwealth, her manifold titles, her deep-rooted, many branched family tree, perhaps the greatest of Queen Elizabeth II's distinctions is this:
Last Veteran of World War Two
Certainly she is the last Head of State to have served in the armed forces of her country during the War. And among the very last of living veterans.
It is fitting that the Last Vet was Her Majesty.
For while women were a minority of the uniformed services in every country at war, they gave their share, one way or another, in what QEII's first PM most memorably referred to as, "blood, toil, tears and sweat".
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Are you going to work in the morning?
I don't work so no i am not If i did - yes i would
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.
One of her security squad trying not to wake her husband while at the same time helping reassure her it's not an intruder?
Charles Statement: I know her loss will be deeply felt throughout the country, the Realms, and the Commonwealth, and by countless people around the world.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.
One of her security squad trying not to wake her husband while at the same time helping reassure her it's not an intruder?
The intruder thing is what I was thinking of. Don’t know about you but if I’m woken up with a torch in my face I think I’d be kicking and screaming, and thinking “intruder”.
I appreciate, and to some extent share, the sadness expressed by most posters tonight. Interestingly, though, I've talked to all four of my children tonight, all in their early thirties. I was surprised both by how unmoved they were, and more tellingly, by their lack of interest. They just don't see HMQ as relevant to their lives; they think she's done well to get to 96, and that the reaction to her death is a bit over the top. They weren't derogatory about her in the slightest - just not interested. I do wonder if it's a bit of a generational thing - I guess most PB posters are somewhat older.
Yes well unfortunately too many 30s and under are narcissists who can't see the importance of much beyond their latest Instagram post
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.
What would you suggest instead? Some kind of special alarm?
I think he's probably a nice and gracious bloke for the most part. But as it comes to relations with the UK he is no more immune to indulging in cheap and petty crap than our leaders are towards France, when they find it useful and convenient. It's nice for everyone to get away from that.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.
One of her security squad trying not to wake her husband while at the same time helping reassure her it's not an intruder?
The intruder thing is what I was thinking of. Don’t know about you but if I’m woken up with a torch in my face I think I’d be kicking and screaming, and thinking “intruder”.
The Queen’s death is such a news supernova that Liz’s simply adequate speech is totally drowned out already.
I don’t think Truss really gets a bounce.
Thought Starmer spoke well to be fair, far more statesmanlike than Corbyn or even Ed Miliband would have done. Liz did OK too but if we have to have a Labour PM there are worse options than Sir Keir
You're warming to Starmer, aren't you? If he were a Tory, you'd much prefer him to Truss, wouldn't you?
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
They all have to be informed before the news is released
Why? (Genuinely). The U.K. PM yes, and the devolved leaders perhaps, but NZ?
HMQ was the Queen of NZ too. It would be weird if the PM of NZ wasn't told.
There is another thing, which is the enormity of the news in general. When you think back over the last year, we've had lots of covid stuff ; the Kabul airlift, the terrible scenes in Ukraine and so on. Plus a change of PM a few days ago. Against all this stuff, rightly or wrongly, the death of the queen may struggle to get that much attention - particularly as it was not unexpected.
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?
I wouldn't have, but nations cancel stuff when heads of state die, I don't know why you are so incredibly upset by that. It's up to the organisers to decide what they want to do, I may not agree with their choices but I don't think it is worth getting so angry about either, no one as far we can tell is forcing them to cancel anything. So if you must be as angry as you appear to be about it, direct it solely at the organisers, not the occasion, the occasion is not mandating it.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.
What would you suggest instead? Some kind of special alarm?
I imagine its the standard 'emergency wake' procedure, rather than screaming 'cinda, wake up! In her face
The Queen’s death is such a news supernova that Liz’s simply adequate speech is totally drowned out already.
I don’t think Truss really gets a bounce.
Thought Starmer spoke well to be fair, far more statesmanlike than Corbyn or even Ed Miliband would have done. Liz did OK too but if we have to have a Labour PM there are worse options than Sir Keir
And we are all spared that lying clown trying to speak for the nation but really trying to make it all about himself. HMQs last gift to us all was seeing him out.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
That was about as reasonable an hour as she could have expected. 40 minutes later and it was on the news. Sometimes these things happen in the middle of the night, as with the death of Diana.
Agree with every word, but rolling it back to the first post… a policeman with a torch in her face? Feels a bit dramatic.
What would you suggest instead? Some kind of special alarm?
The Queen’s death is such a news supernova that Liz’s simply adequate speech is totally drowned out already.
I don’t think Truss really gets a bounce.
Thought Starmer spoke well to be fair, far more statesmanlike than Corbyn or even Ed Miliband would have done. Liz did OK too but if we have to have a Labour PM there are worse options than Sir Keir
You're warming to Starmer, aren't you? If he were a Tory, you'd much prefer him to Truss, wouldn't you?
I don't mind him, as I said I thought Liz found the right words too even if she still lacks great oratory but I could live with Sir Keir as PM yes as I could live with Blair. I would not vote for either of them but I could live with them
Presumably those who support the cancellation of the sporting schedule also support the foreclosure of all work places and retailers simultaneously?
Who are you even arguing with with this stuff? You seem to be saying that organisations are being forced to cancel things (which they clearly aren't, since some are not going to), and now that there can be no differences between any sort of event, but that a single policy must apply for everything? Even though, as I said, advice in these matters is generally to consider what is appropriate within the period, rather than provide a set list of X and Y must happen and Z must not. Certainly it will advise certain things would be preferred not to. But why act like if someone does think a sporting event should be cancelled (and I don't care if they do or don't, I think it is up to them) that that must mean they support closing everything? That's not even extending the logic to absurdity, it's just an unconnected point.
No it’s not unconnected at all. People like cancelling stuff that they aren’t bothered about. So if they don’t have tickets to the Test or the football, they might like cancelling those. But they don’t want to close their local off licence and supermarkets because they want wine and food.
Give over with the cancelling shit. If the players refuse to play or fans refuse to attend (no evidence so far of that, quite the opposite…) , cancel the games, otherwise carry on.
Charles Statement: I know her loss will be deeply felt throughout the country, the Realms, and the Commonwealth, and by countless people around the world.
What, in 2022, are the Realms?
NZ, Canada, Australia and about a dozen more.
UK, NZ, Canada, Australia, Jamaica, Papua New Guinea, Antigua & Barbuda, Bahamas, Belize, Grenada, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Saint Lucia, St Vincent & the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, and Tuvalu.
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?
I wouldn't have, but nations cancel stuff when heads of state die, I don't know why you are so incredibly upset by that. It's up to the organisers to decide what they want to do, I may not agree with their choices but I don't think it is worth getting so angry about either, no one as far we can tell is forcing them to cancel anything. So if you must be as angry as you appear to be about it, direct it solely at the organisers, not the occasion, the occasion is not mandating it.
EFL postpones all Friday fixtures with a decision about the rest of the weekend waiting on official mourning guidance.
I've always liked dwelling on the practicalities behind grand events. Like, who sets up the sound system for the Papal Conclaves? Who organised the bottles of water in the media room for the Taliban press conference after taking Kabul?
I can just imagine someone at Buckingham Palace frantically hunting round for the headed paper for the official notification, or contacting someone in IT as the printer was bust.
Ha yes. I’ve been that IT guy in the background on too many work occasions. It’s a big responsibility, to know things that only the CEO knows and not f… it up.
Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
Jacinda Ardern said she was woken up by a policeman waving a torch in her face at 4:50am NZ time, ie 5:50pm UK.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
They all have to be informed before the news is released
Why? (Genuinely). The U.K. PM yes, and the devolved leaders perhaps, but NZ?
In addition to, and beyond, her many crowns, countries and Commonwealth, her manifold titles, her deep-rooted, many branched family tree, perhaps the greatest of Queen Elizabeth II's distinctions is this:
Last Veteran of World War Two
Certainly she is the last Head of State to have served in the armed forces of her country during the War. And among the very last of living veterans.
It is fitting that the Last Vet was Her Majesty.
For while women were a minority of the uniformed services in every country at war, they gave their share, one way or another, in what QEII's first PM most memorably referred to as, "blood, toil, tears and sweat".
You can commemorate that for yourself, complete with the Royal, in your den with some Testors (?) paint and glue:
I mean the senior head of state in the world, head of a commonwealth of 2.5 billion of the worlds inhabitants and monarch for 70 years has died. The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
Quite. The 'it's an old woman dying' stuff is just a bit dismissive of the fact its a head of state, and its the day of the event. Even if an event tomorrow was cancelled, well, it's the next full day after, I would be very surprised if things are not occasionally cancelled in such circumstances in other places.
Why cancel them if people are happy to staff them and attend them?
It’s surely not inappropriate that a period of mourning is observed. I think 10 days too long but them’s the breaks in a 1000-year-old monarchy.
Great tribute. Macron is, and always has been, a class act. Much classier than our recent leaders.
The reaction to Ukraine invasion from him showed a man of real honour and courage. He spoke to Putin because he was trusted to do so, despite what the French haters would have you believe he is a fine man
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Interesting that the PM got the message at 16:30 today, two hours before the rest of us, and while the royal plane occupants were still in the car to Balmoral.
You’re either a monarchy or you’re not.
Having said that, even the US are flying flags half mast for 10 days.
She will remember THIS day for all of HER days.
Should we have lockdown for
CovidHMQ's demise? Bring it on.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56960091
Also, this one fairly recently.
https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/match-reports/bournemouth-nottingham-forest-storm-eunice-6675593
Games being abandoned at short notice is fairly common.
Having said that they might have waited until a “reasonable hour” to wake her.
The idea that some stuff wouldnt get cancelled for a bit is bizarre.
All the UEFA club games have gone ahead tonight as usual without any issues whatsoever. Were any players too upset to play tonight? Have many spectators decided not to attend tonight because they are mourning? Of course not. So why cancel games on Saturday if not tonight? Surely people are far more likely to be upset or in shock tonight than on Saturday.
The day of the funeral is obviously a different matter and I can understand cancelling things on that day.
I was five.
Nite all. Been quite a day.
I imagine many of us will feel like this in the coming days. It will come and go, and hit when we least expect it. It is grief but of a different kind most of us are accustomed to. It is the end of a chapter in all our lives. It represents a change that goes beyond one woman. We will not see a time like this in our lives again, even for those of us who live to see the next passing of the crown.
As with Wimbledon and the pandemic in 2020, anyone with sufficient insurance is going to cancel their event for the next fortnight.
I don’t think Truss really gets a bounce.
Incredible.
Essentially the Monarchy is a show - and cancelling things like sports events when a Monarch dies is just part of that show.
It just isn't a shock really, as this day was always going to come.
It reminds me a bit about when Nelson Mandela died, and one of my colleagues was really annoyed with having to do a minutes silence and it being referred to as a 'tragic' event; the fact is he was very old so was obviously going to die.
Edit -this isn't to trivialise the event.
The RL is in trouble. Playoffs start this weekend. One game in France. Runs straight into a World Cup.
Rugby Union may have the same issues too. No free weekends in their ludicrously overcrowded schedule.
Charles Statement:
I know her loss will be deeply felt throughout the country, the Realms, and the Commonwealth, and by countless people around the world.
What, in 2022, are the Realms?
But then she ain't Tony Blair.
Her energy intervention is lost in the ether too.
What a baptism of fire.
"Somebody said that football's a matter of life and death to you, I said 'listen, it's more important than that'."
Last Veteran of World War Two
Certainly she is the last Head of State to have served in the armed forces of her country during the War. And among the very last of living veterans.
It is fitting that the Last Vet was Her Majesty.
For while women were a minority of the uniformed services in every country at war, they gave their share, one way or another, in what QEII's first PM most memorably referred to as, "blood, toil, tears and sweat".
If i did - yes i would
You been drinking again I see
Minor point I know tonight, just intrigued me.
Some kind of special alarm?
Give over with the cancelling shit. If the players refuse to play or fans refuse to attend (no evidence so far of that, quite the opposite…) , cancel the games, otherwise carry on.
20 point lead still nailed on IMHO
https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10873009
But you are quite correct.