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edited September 15 in General
A sad day – politicalbetting.com

The Queen died peacefully at Balmoral this afternoon.The King and The Queen Consort will remain at Balmoral this evening and will return to London tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/VfxpXro22W

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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    Sky presenters lost. Now showing the posting of the annoucement on the palace gates at 6.30
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    A little anecdote that seems worth repeating:

    https://youtu.be/Uw9g1Q74t4s
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,210
    Charles III.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,948
    Damn, this is horrible. This is going to hurt. The Queen is dead, long live the King.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,639
    edited September 8
    Oh god those words from Huw - “the King” - brought it home. Don’t mind saying I shed a tear. Wasn’t sure I’d be so upset.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,482
    RIP

    Why does nothing ever happen on your watch TSE?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697
    An older woman on the street being comforted by strangers. Including me.
  • RIP Ma'am. I can't believe she went so quickly after being on her feet a couple of days ago.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,665
    I’m really shocked by my own emotional response at the news. Just the history of the moment. So very sad
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    When will the new monarch's regnal name be announced?

    Thanks, @TSE, for not entitling this thread "God save the King".
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 2,551
    Feels very surreal . Hard to believe , for many she seemed almost immortal .
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,482

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
  • The Racing Post covers the news from the perspective of Her Majesty's love of, and involvement in, horseracing.
    https://www.racingpost.com/news/the-queen/queen-elizabeth-ii-has-died-aged-96-buckingham-palace-announces/517790
  • Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,160
    Dynamo said:

    When will the new monarch's regnal name be announced?

    Thanks, @TSE, for not entitling this thread "God save the King".

    After the Accession Council meets, I believe.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Lectern out in Downing Street

    Phatboi must be sick as a parrot
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,880
    Well that really is the ending of an era, and some.

    Even republicans can pay respect to her for all her indefatigable service. She stretched back seemingly into the sands of time, famously helping during the Blitz. Much will be written about her time, lots good, but not all. For now though we mourn a remarkable life.

    Politically? Everything that could wrong under this present Conservative Government has done, short of nuclear war. And I wouldn't rule that out either.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 10,616

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    Or radically Georgina?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    IshmaelZ said:

    Lectern out in Downing Street

    Phatboi must be sick as a parrot

    Some good news amid the gloom.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697
    Immediate call for pints by friends. Off to the pub.

    "The King will return to London tomorrow"
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,880
    IshmaelZ said:

    Lectern out in Downing Street

    Phatboi must be sick as a parrot

    Yes I didn't want to bring that into it, but he might have tried to cling on to office had this happened a few months ago.

    Not the start Liz Truss would have wanted. Sees The Queen and a few hours later she's dead.
  • RIP

    Why does nothing ever happen on your watch TSE?

    I think the funeral is going to be on or around my birthday.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 3,840
    Let's do this properly, since my first attempt was a "show some respect" post that turned, quite unintentionally, into Eminem's Stan.

    RIP Queen Elizabeth. Long live the King.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    Louis, a gracious acknowledgement of defeat by France in the longevity stakes and a rather witty swap of one decapitated monarch for another
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    Interestingly, last week was also the anniversary of the death of Louis XIV.

    307 years ago, on 1st September.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,550
    ydoethur said:

    A little anecdote that seems worth repeating:

    https://youtu.be/Uw9g1Q74t4s

    That's class, hadn't heard that one before.

    I'm a republican by instinct, but I recognise the Queen's* personal qualities and that's a great story.

    *how do we refer to her now?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 57,127
    A lectern has been placed in Downing Street; the Prime Minister is expected to speak shortly

    https://twitter.com/chrismasonbbc/status/1567932347508576259
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    Heathener said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Lectern out in Downing Street

    Phatboi must be sick as a parrot

    Yes I didn't want to bring that into it, but he might have tried to cling on to office had this happened a few months ago.

    Not the start Liz Truss would have wanted. Sees The Queen and a few hours later she's dead.
    Liz Truss has also died? Now that is news.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,482

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Should I drink gin, fino sherry or champagne?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    Selebian said:

    ydoethur said:

    A little anecdote that seems worth repeating:

    https://youtu.be/Uw9g1Q74t4s

    That's class, hadn't heard that one before.

    I'm a republican by instinct, but I recognise the Queen's* personal qualities and that's a great story.

    *how do we refer to her now?
    We probably still will for a long time yet. People used to refer to other Elizabeth as 'the late Queen' for sixty years after she died.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,550

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,177
    My wife has just looked at that photograph from Tuesday of Queen Elizabeth II after she had met Liz Truss, she commented about the unusual darkness of HMQ's right hand.
  • pingping Posts: 3,191
    edited September 8
    Hmm. No national anthem on R4.

    Curious. I thought it would come immediately after the announcement.

    Edit. I’m delayed by 20mins! Just played it!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    ping said:

    Hmm. No national anthem on R4.

    Curious. I thought it would come immediately after the announcement.

    It did on Sky
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,639
    IshmaelZ said:

    Should I drink gin, fino sherry or champagne?

    Dubonnet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,482
    IshmaelZ said:

    Lectern out in Downing Street

    Phatboi must be sick as a parrot

    Every cloud has a silver lining.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    Truss must feel this particularly.

    She will literally now be one of the last people to see the Queen alive.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ping said:

    Hmm. No national anthem on R4.

    Curious. I thought it would come immediately after the announcement.

    Did on r2
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,880
    edited September 8
    ydoethur said:

    FPT: Can we all agree it's a tragedy that Nicholas Witchell didn't retire at the same time Johnson got the chop?

    Yes indeed.

    He's awful. The worst kind of sycophantic hand-wringing, with nothing of any import
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,160

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    Following her is an impossible task.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,250

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I think he will surprise some, but he won't come close to his Mother's ability to reign.

    William will be the one to watch, the Queen spent a lot of time with him and he greatly admired his Grandmother and how she reigned.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 1,322
    edited September 8
    dr_spyn said:

    My wife has just looked at that photograph from Tuesday of Queen Elizabeth II after she had met Liz Truss, she commented about the unusual darkness of HMQ's right hand.

    I wonder if they let it go out like that deliberately to soften us up. I don’t think they would photoshop it to remove the bruise, but gloves could have been used.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    Driver said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    Following her is an impossible task.
    It may therefore be a good thing his reign is likely to be quite short.

    Then William can hit reset.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,210
    IshmaelZ said:

    ping said:

    Hmm. No national anthem on R4.

    Curious. I thought it would come immediately after the announcement.

    Did on r2
    Radio 1 had a banging remix while 6 Music played “The Queen is Dead” by the Smiths, presumably.
  • King Charles to make a statement shortly
  • I'm really surprised at quite how unsettled I feel, and I say that as someone who never gives a toss what celeb dies (apart from Eddie Van Halen obviously, he truly was a God). I feel melancholy and have a strange feeling of dread, like I know there's something a bit grim over the horizon, but can't quite see what it is yet.
    Possibly the worst time for her passing as well, given the way the country is heading.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,407
    ydoethur said:

    Interestingly, last week was also the anniversary of the death of Louis XIV.

    307 years ago, on 1st September.

    Need a new list for reigns fully as an adult. Darn Sun King will always top it otherwise.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    carnforth said:

    dr_spyn said:

    My wife has just looked at that photograph from Tuesday of Queen Elizabeth II after she had met Liz Truss, she commented about the unusual darkness of HMQ's right hand.

    I wonder if they let it go out like that deliberately to soften us up. I don’t think they would photoshop it to remove the bruise, but gloves could have been used.
    Most of us didn't notice at the time, so it seems unlikely.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,160
    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
    He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,407
    King Charles will be ok. Many realms will go, but I think it will go nowhere for now.

    The emotion ( and yes, over emotion) of the next weeks will see that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Lectern out in Downing Street

    Phatboi must be sick as a parrot

    Some good news amid the gloom.
    The Queen had a sly sense of humour I believe. God bless her!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 19,551

    Truss must feel this particularly.

    She will literally now be one of the last people to see the Queen alive.

    She's certainly having quite a first week as PM isn't she?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,407
    Penny for Liz Truss's thoughts.

    What was said in that meeting?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
    He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
    I doubt if he will king beyond 80.

    And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,880
    jonny83 said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I think he will surprise some, but he won't come close to his Mother's ability to reign.
    .
    This isn't the time but in due course criticisms will also emerge. Less changed during her reign than during Queen Victoria's. Some will see that as a good thing.

    I don't say, 'long live the king'. I hope the monarchy comes to an end. It's a tired institution of a bygone era.

    But that doesn't stop me paying huge respect to Queen Elizabeth II. She was a remarkable lady who gave a long lifetime of service to this country and the commonwealth. Rest in Peace.
  • Over Marlborough town hall - I noticed there was no flag when I went into Waitrose ten minutes ago

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,407
    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
    I suspect this generation will abdicate as most other monarchies do now.
  • Charles III.

    That may be controversial. Parts of the kingdom consider we already had one of those.

    "Kingdom". Feels odd to type.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,160
    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
    He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
    I doubt if he will king beyond 80.

    And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
    Yes, I suspect either his 80th birthday or possibly after 10 years.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,619
    In my head... Kings are for fantastic stories, while having a queen is normal!

    RIP Elizabeth.
    Kinda glad we don't have to see a Boris Johnson announcement on this.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Lectern out in Downing Street

    Phatboi must be sick as a parrot

    Some good news amid the gloom.
    The Queen had a sly sense of humour I believe. God bless her!
    Check out my video link above...
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,639
    kle4 said:

    King Charles will be ok. Many realms will go, but I think it will go nowhere for now.

    The emotion ( and yes, over emotion) of the next weeks will see that.

    I think a lot of people will now be surprised how quiet he becomes on issues he may have spoken about before, and how much her follows her blueprint as a tribute to her. And everyone knows William and Kate are coming.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,968

    Charles III.

    That may be controversial. Parts of the kingdom consider we already had one of those.

    "Kingdom". Feels odd to type.
    Not as odd as typing Queendom.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121
    Bloody hell imagine being PM for 2 days and now having this statement to make.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 7,823

    I'm really surprised at quite how unsettled I feel, and I say that as someone who never gives a toss what celeb dies (apart from Eddie Van Halen obviously, he truly was a God). I feel melancholy and have a strange feeling of dread, like I know there's something a bit grim over the horizon, but can't quite see what it is yet.
    Possibly the worst time for her passing as well, given the way the country is heading.

    Better now than any time in the last five years, I'd say
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594

    Bloody hell imagine being PM for 2 days and now having this statement to make.

    Events, dear boy, events.....
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121
    Cookie said:

    I'm really surprised at quite how unsettled I feel, and I say that as someone who never gives a toss what celeb dies (apart from Eddie Van Halen obviously, he truly was a God). I feel melancholy and have a strange feeling of dread, like I know there's something a bit grim over the horizon, but can't quite see what it is yet.
    Possibly the worst time for her passing as well, given the way the country is heading.

    Better now than any time in the last five years, I'd say
    I agree.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756

    Bloody hell imagine being PM for 2 days and now having this statement to make.

    I wonder if she was told on her visit to Balmoral that this was coming.

    Or whether it is a genuine surprise to everyone.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 46,996

    IshmaelZ said:

    ping said:

    Hmm. No national anthem on R4.

    Curious. I thought it would come immediately after the announcement.

    Did on r2
    Radio 1 had a banging remix while 6 Music played “The Queen is Dead” by the Smiths, presumably.
    I put the album cover up as my avatar this afternoon.

    But only to get in ahead of Dura Ace.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,880
    edited September 8
    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
    He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
    I doubt if he will king beyond 80.

    And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
    Yes, I suspect either his 80th birthday or possibly after 10 years.
    I'm sure you all know that this country's kings and queens don't normally step down because theologically the divine right of kings does not entertain such a concept. It's not at the behest of a human being to choose not to be king or queen. It comes from God.

    QEII felt that particularly keenly of course because of what had befallen her father after the abdication of King Edward VIII.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756

    Charles III.

    That may be controversial. Parts of the kingdom consider we already had one of those.

    "Kingdom". Feels odd to type.
    Not as odd as typing Queendom.
    That would definitely be a drag.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,160
    Very interesting that the first statement from a foreign leader quoted by the BBC was from the President of Ireland.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
    He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
    I doubt if he will king beyond 80.

    And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
    Yes, I suspect either his 80th birthday or possibly after 10 years.
    I'm sure you all know that this country's kings and queens don't normally step down because theologically the divine right of kings does not entertain such a concept. It's not at the behest of a human being to choose not to be king of queen. It comes from God.

    QEII felt that particularly keenly of course because of what had befallen her father after the abdication of King Edward VIII.
    And Charles will not.

    As Benedict XVI, also Pope by divine choice, did not.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,235

    IshmaelZ said:

    ping said:

    Hmm. No national anthem on R4.

    Curious. I thought it would come immediately after the announcement.

    Did on r2
    Radio 1 had a banging remix while 6 Music played “The Queen is Dead” by the Smiths, presumably.
    I put the album cover up as my avatar this afternoon.

    But only to get in ahead of Dura Ace.
    Remember buying that album the day it came out in 1986. And boy has it stood the test of time. A stunning piece of work.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    History comes fast at times.

    truss only 48 hours into job.

    events dear boy events...
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,639
    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
    He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
    I doubt if he will king beyond 80.

    And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
    Yes, I suspect either his 80th birthday or possibly after 10 years.
    I'm sure you all know that this country's kings and queens don't normally step down because theologically the divine right of kings does not entertain such a concept. It's not at the behest of a human being to choose not to be king or queen. It comes from God.

    QEII felt that particularly keenly of course because of what had befallen her father after the abdication of King Edward VIII.
    The Divine Right of Kings went in the 17th century…

  • So does Archie become a Prince now?
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited September 8
    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    King Charles will be ok. Many realms will go, but I think it will go nowhere for now.

    The emotion ( and yes, over emotion) of the next weeks will see that.

    I think a lot of people will now be surprised how quiet he becomes on issues he may have spoken about before, and how much her follows her blueprint as a tribute to her. And everyone knows William and Kate are coming.
    Or you may be surprised.

    The line between what he does quietly and what he does publicly may change, but in which direction is not clear.

    He's as barking as f***, as many who live in or near his big collection of real-life dolls' houses in Poundbury can confirm.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_spider_memos

    This is the guy who bathed his eyes in water from the Chalice Well at Glastonbury alongside "radical traditionalist" John Michell.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,756
    edited September 8
    Charles deliberately eschewing the royal 'we' and saying 'I.' Interesting. Not unexpected.

    Do we know how he signed it?

    Edit - no. That in itself suggests he may ditch 'Charles.'
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,550
    edited September 8

    Charles III.

    That may be controversial. Parts of the kingdom consider we already had one of those.

    "Kingdom". Feels odd to type.
    Were you in the habit of referring to the UK as a Queendom?

    Edit: nevermind, already pointed out

  • CookieCookie Posts: 7,823

    IshmaelZ said:

    ping said:

    Hmm. No national anthem on R4.

    Curious. I thought it would come immediately after the announcement.

    Did on r2
    Radio 1 had a banging remix while 6 Music played “The Queen is Dead” by the Smiths, presumably.
    I was listening to Radio X at the swimming pool while my daughter had a lesson.
    6-6.30 - entirely normal show with Danny Wallace.
    Got into the car at 6.40 and they were talking about her in the past tense.
    But it was actually much better coverage that this dribbling from Huw Edwards. Clearly prepared some time in advance, but celebrating a life rather than this dirge.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,407
    edited September 8
    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
    He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
    I doubt if he will king beyond 80.

    And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
    Yes, I suspect either his 80th birthday or possibly after 10 years.
    I'm sure you all know that this country's kings and queens don't normally step down because theologically the divine right of kings does not entertain such a concept. It's not at the behest of a human being to choose not to be king or queen. It comes from God.

    QEII felt that particularly keenly of course because of what had befallen her father after the abdication of King Edward VIII.
    Divine right is a concept that has been held rather loosely to say the least. She felt her oath keenly, which is not the same thing, so did a few others, but many really did not push it hard.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,639
    edited September 8

    That is a superb image they have chosen to remember HM by.

    Yes I thought that. I don’t recognise it. From her Silver Jubilee given the cape and apparent age?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,880
    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
    He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
    And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
    That fundamentally misunderstands the institution.

    He may try to re-write that institution, of course, but that's what it would take. They are not elected politicians. They are chosen by God, anointed by his representatives.

    Personally I think it's pretty ludicrous but that doesn't alter the fact.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,177
    RMT call off rail strikes.

    https://twitter.com/RMTunion/status/1567931306838728704

    The replies...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,008
    biggles said:

    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Charles III.

    But is he Charles...or George?
    He'll go for George, after the best Chancellor of this millenium.
    King Gordon?

    Now isn't the time, but Charles won't be a patch on his mother.
    I predict he will have a shorter reign.
    I suspect he will reign for as long as he can. He won't want William to be King while his children are young if he can avoid it.

    But I suspect 'as long as he can' won't be more than about seven years, for health reasons or by virtue of doing something silly.
    He's 73. I can easily see him setting a retirement date, in contrast to his mother.
    I doubt if he will king beyond 80.

    And I would say, having unlike his mother made no pledge of lifelong service, he would be wrong to try.
    Yes, I suspect either his 80th birthday or possibly after 10 years.
    I'm sure you all know that this country's kings and queens don't normally step down because theologically the divine right of kings does not entertain such a concept. It's not at the behest of a human being to choose not to be king or queen. It comes from God.

    QEII felt that particularly keenly of course because of what had befallen her father after the abdication of King Edward VIII.
    The Divine Right of Kings went in the 17th century…

    Not if you believe some on here in terms of the divine fate to rule. James VII/II, James VIII/III, and Charles III, sure. William III onwards, on the other hand ...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,886
    PM up now.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 32,030
    Dynamo said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    King Charles will be ok. Many realms will go, but I think it will go nowhere for now.

    The emotion ( and yes, over emotion) of the next weeks will see that.

    I think a lot of people will now be surprised how quiet he becomes on issues he may have spoken about before, and how much her follows her blueprint as a tribute to her. And everyone knows William and Kate are coming.
    Or you may be surprised.

    The line between what he does quietly and what he does publicly may change, but in which direction is not clear.

    He's as barking as f***, as many who live in or near his big collection of real-life dolls' houses in Poundbury can confirm.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_spider_memos
    He has also been correct on some issues well before they became popular, e.g. the environment.

    And whilst Poundbury can be criticised, he was right in saying that there are big problems with the built environment as well. We can build better than we do.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 57,127
    The King’s statement:

    https://twitter.com/royalfamily/status/1567936934290329608

    Unsigned - so no hint as to his Regnal name.
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