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City of London is 2.9 km^2Anabobazina said:
Most of London's 607 square miles will be closed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I expect most of it to be closedAnabobazina said:
Again, define "large parts". London is 607 square miles. What percentage of that do you think will be "closed"?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The funeral and coronation will be attended by dignitaries from across the world and the security will be vastAnabobazina said:
"London will be locked down for it"Slackbladder said:
I wonder when that might be (assuming today is the day she passes). Week after next? It'll take time for all the setting up and arranging the visit of heads of state. I assume Biden would have to come plus many others. London will be locked down for it.MaxPB said:
Funeral day, government can plan for that at least. Then coronation day probably next spring.Gardenwalker said:What is the actual protocol?
Is tomorrow a bank holiday in the UK?
I'll be in Greece for it if thats the case.
No, it won't. Nine million of us live here and have work to do.
Granted, a small area of town near the abbey or wherever they hold the funeral will be 'locked down' – but that is on a rather different scale.
Expect large parts of London closed on these two days as we witness the biggest events in decades
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I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).1 -
Why? It's perfectly possible to feel sorry for the health of a frail old lady without supporting the institution.WalterWhite said:Ardent Republicans should have the decency to crawl under a stone at times such as these.
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It's hard to mend fences if there's a book coming and the concern that anything you say will be spun out to the media to keep the money rolling in.MaxPB said:
Sometimes a family crisis is what it takes to mend those fences. Unfortunately as soon as Harry goes back to LA the poison will begin dripping in his ear again and it all gets undone.GIN1138 said:Maybe while Meghan and Kate are staying at Windsor without their husbands they might meet up and start trying to sort out some of this nonsense.
Anyway, the family will be focused on the new monarch and supporting him not worrying about those who have left.
I rather liked H&M and quite understand why they might want a different life. But doing that and endlessly going on about the past in a "I'm not going to tell you about all the awful things but there's so much I could tell you" way becomes a bit tiresome frankly. As is the media endlessly going on about it.
When your partner's family member dies or becomes seriously ill, your only job is to support and comfort them.1 -
Well the train will be going slowly. Could be quite a people-watching experience. Also a bit of a nod to my Grandad who worked on the railways at a time when they used to have railway staff guarding all the bridges over the line when the Royal Train went through.Anabobazina said:
Why? To see a train go past in a few seconds?LostPassword said:
Wasn't that so people could throw flowers at the hearse carrying Diana's coffin to the family estate?Anabobazina said:
They closed the M1 when Lady Di died? That is completely mawkish and un-British if true, and why the M1 specifically, not the A1 or M11 or M6?IshmaelZ said:
Did they really?Cookie said:
When her daughter-in-law died - this being in the infancy of the internet - the natural home of nutters was the radio phone in. I remember some nutter phoning radio 5 to say that to mark the death of Princess Diana, the M1 should be closed for the weekend.Anabobazina said:
Nothing should be forcibly closed by state fiat – what a ludicrous idea. Those individuals and businesses that want to pay their respects by shutting up shop are free to do so.Gardenwalker said:
Probably not.pm215 said:
Indeed not, but there is also no necessity to shut everything down for ten days when it happens.Gardenwalker said:
One would imagine there is no “ideal” time for the death of the monarch.pm215 said:
Now this seems pretty bad to me -- they've just had a big summer holiday pause while they sorted out a new PM. There must be a lot of stuff backlogged, and delaying it further can't be ideal.wooliedyed said:Looks like 10 days of parliament closure after Bridge, the cabinet meet with the new monarch during the period
A week would seem more reasonable.
What a nutter, we all thought.
They didn't close it for the weekend, but they did close it for Saturday.
They probably won't attempt quite that sort of overreach again, but I wouldn't rule it out.
Golly.
Similar thing will happen to the ECML so the Royal Train can inch its way down to London. Even as a republican I'm vaguely tempted to cycle to a spot with a decent view of the track.
I find all this stuff mawkish and weird in the extreme TBH.0 -
That’s a fantastic statistic: Her Majesty’s first Prime Minister was Winston Churchill, born in 1874; her last will be Elizabeth Truss, born in 1975, 101 years later.9
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Maybe but the opposite with me. My dislike for Johnson was leavened by my hatred of Trump. Johnson was rendered less ghastly via the comparison.williamglenn said:
Yes, it was his bad luck that Trump came along and hating him became a proxy.kinabalu said:
Johnson's exit helps with that too. Helps enormously.williamglenn said:
It would be nice if it drew a line under the lazy, NYT-style "Britain is a laughing stock" era of international coverage too.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
Anyway, now they're both gone - sort of - so yay!0 -
Another troll methinks.IshmaelZ said:
Piss off Walty, entirely unnecessary and inappropriate.WalterWhite said:Ardent Republicans should have the decency to crawl under a stone at times such as these.
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Indeed.BartholomewRoberts said:
Many people would, yes, to ensure the bigotry was dealt with and didn't happen again.MISTY said:
Would you want to have talks with someone who insinuated on Prime time TV in America that bigotry was alive and well in your extended family?GIN1138 said:Maybe while Meghan and Kate are staying at Windsor without their husbands they might meet up and start trying to sort out some of this nonsense.
Shooting the messenger is the alternative.1 -
I dont think she'll be travelling on the roof.Carnyx said:
That railway line has overhead electric wires!LostPassword said:
Wasn't that so people could throw flowers at the hearse carrying Diana's coffin to the family estate?Anabobazina said:
They closed the M1 when Lady Di died? That is completely mawkish and un-British if true, and why the M1 specifically, not the A1 or M11 or M6?IshmaelZ said:
Did they really?Cookie said:
When her daughter-in-law died - this being in the infancy of the internet - the natural home of nutters was the radio phone in. I remember some nutter phoning radio 5 to say that to mark the death of Princess Diana, the M1 should be closed for the weekend.Anabobazina said:
Nothing should be forcibly closed by state fiat – what a ludicrous idea. Those individuals and businesses that want to pay their respects by shutting up shop are free to do so.Gardenwalker said:
Probably not.pm215 said:
Indeed not, but there is also no necessity to shut everything down for ten days when it happens.Gardenwalker said:
One would imagine there is no “ideal” time for the death of the monarch.pm215 said:
Now this seems pretty bad to me -- they've just had a big summer holiday pause while they sorted out a new PM. There must be a lot of stuff backlogged, and delaying it further can't be ideal.wooliedyed said:Looks like 10 days of parliament closure after Bridge, the cabinet meet with the new monarch during the period
A week would seem more reasonable.
What a nutter, we all thought.
They didn't close it for the weekend, but they did close it for Saturday.
They probably won't attempt quite that sort of overreach again, but I wouldn't rule it out.
Golly.
Similar thing will happen to the ECML so the Royal Train can inch its way down to London. Even as a republican I'm vaguely tempted to cycle to a spot with a decent view of the track.0 -
Not deliberate to be honest but I am quite old myself and more eccentric !!Gardenwalker said:
Absolutely.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife and I well remember the death of the King and the Queen's coronation in 1953WhisperingOracle said:
I remember some of my earliest possessions as Ladybird books made in the 1950s, with vivid antique-style coronation drawings of the Queen as the latest in the line of British monarchs, also associated in my mind with some words optimism about the Second Elizabethan Age, technology and modernity. The Queen *is* postwar Britain.SouthamObserver said:It's made me think of all the members of my family who were there at the start of her reign and watched the Coronation on the first tellies they had probably ever seen up close. Some I never met, but many I knew and loved and have now gone - my Dad, my grandparents, aunts and uncles.
They were there at the start, just ordinary people who only a few years before had lived through the most traumatic events it is possible to imagine, huddled around a tiny black and white TV, watching it all happen as the rain fell outside.
Now, 69 years later, it's my generation of the family and our kids watching on our big colour tellies, on our computers and on our phones, as it may well all be coming to an end. And the rain is falling outside.
It's that link to the past through to today that the Queen represents for most of us - whether we are monarchists or republicans. It's not only about the country, it's about all our lives and the generations that come and then go. That's why this is such a big deal, why it is so sad.
She has always been there. As everything else has changed, she has been there. Soon she won't be. It's quite hard to get your head round - at least for me.
I am not expressing it well, I am not the writer some on here are, but I am sure you know what I mean.
She has been quite the most extraordinary servant to her country and will be greatly missed
By the way, please don’t go leave off the full stops like that berk Leon.0 -
I am not sure Truss as the incumbent will have the longer term bonus the monarch's passing once might have had. The World gets to know her early. And as so many have already said, what a mercy it will not happen on Johnson's watch.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?0 -
Right wingers who bang on about “cancel culture” show themselves up to be complete hypocrites. Shocker!WalterWhite said:Ardent Republicans should have the decency to crawl under a stone at times such as these.
Actually, this is even worse: pre-cancellation.
I’m pretty ambivalent about the monarchy. I rather unenthusiastically went along to the platty jubes, organised by the elderly neighbours. But that’s about it, from me.
I do care about free speech though, and you, my friend, are an arse.2 -
Undoubtedly. Exactly how, we cannot say, though I suspect there is more upside for Truss than negative. She suddenly becomes first lady of the realm.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
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True, one square mile ish. However it doesn't include Buck House or the Abbey so I'm not sure it will be the hotspot!BartholomewRoberts said:
City of London is 2.9 km^2Anabobazina said:
Most of London's 607 square miles will be closed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I expect most of it to be closedAnabobazina said:
Again, define "large parts". London is 607 square miles. What percentage of that do you think will be "closed"?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The funeral and coronation will be attended by dignitaries from across the world and the security will be vastAnabobazina said:
"London will be locked down for it"Slackbladder said:
I wonder when that might be (assuming today is the day she passes). Week after next? It'll take time for all the setting up and arranging the visit of heads of state. I assume Biden would have to come plus many others. London will be locked down for it.MaxPB said:
Funeral day, government can plan for that at least. Then coronation day probably next spring.Gardenwalker said:What is the actual protocol?
Is tomorrow a bank holiday in the UK?
I'll be in Greece for it if thats the case.
No, it won't. Nine million of us live here and have work to do.
Granted, a small area of town near the abbey or wherever they hold the funeral will be 'locked down' – but that is on a rather different scale.
Expect large parts of London closed on these two days as we witness the biggest events in decades
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Right thing for who to do?BartholomewRoberts said:
Yes. If someone raises concerns, then the right thing to do is to try and in good faith address the concerns, not try to tear to shreds the person raising concerns.IshmaelZ said:
But Barty, you have not a shred of credible evidence of bigotry. You just don't know. Do you make a habit of believing this sort of shit on the evidence of one person?BartholomewRoberts said:
Many people would, yes, to ensure the bigotry was dealt with and didn't happen again.MISTY said:
Would you want to have talks with someone who insinuated on Prime time TV in America that bigotry was alive and well in your extended family?GIN1138 said:Maybe while Meghan and Kate are staying at Windsor without their husbands they might meet up and start trying to sort out some of this nonsense.
Shooting the messenger is the alternative.
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“Biden has been briefed”.0
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My impression from talking to a few people who have been involved in planning these sorts of things (from the military perspective) is she has already died. Once that has happened they have to gather the family but also inform the Government's of all the states of which she is still head and then the rest of the Commonwealth.Benpointer said:
You already know when the Queen dies??Richard_Tyndall said:
Bugger. That's my wedding anniversary.wooliedyed said:
10 days after she diesMaxPB said:
Funeral day, government can plan for that at least. Then coronation day probably next spring.Gardenwalker said:What is the actual protocol?
Is tomorrow a bank holiday in the UK?
They are expecting the formal announcement will be made probably at 6pm.
I don't know for sure but looking at the reaction in Parliament today and the behaviour of the media, it seems likely to me.6 -
Some more good news from Ukraine.
⚡️Ukraine reportedly liberates Balakliia in Kharkiv Oblast.
A video circulating on social media allegedly shows the Ukrainian flag installed on top of the district state administration building in the city of Balakliia.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/15679064889283174414 -
From 1 Samuel 8:10-18:JACK_W said:May Almighty God Bless And Preserve The Life Of Our Sovereign Lady - Her Majesty The Queen.
Amen.
"10 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king.
11 He said, 'This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.
12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.
13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.
14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.
15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.
16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use.
17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.
18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.' "2 -
I was thinking of people throwing stuff. Especially if it is a wet day, the wrapping is aluminized, etc. Or just debris gathering around the pantograph.paulyork64 said:
I dont think she'll be travelling on the roof.Carnyx said:
That railway line has overhead electric wires!LostPassword said:
Wasn't that so people could throw flowers at the hearse carrying Diana's coffin to the family estate?Anabobazina said:
They closed the M1 when Lady Di died? That is completely mawkish and un-British if true, and why the M1 specifically, not the A1 or M11 or M6?IshmaelZ said:
Did they really?Cookie said:
When her daughter-in-law died - this being in the infancy of the internet - the natural home of nutters was the radio phone in. I remember some nutter phoning radio 5 to say that to mark the death of Princess Diana, the M1 should be closed for the weekend.Anabobazina said:
Nothing should be forcibly closed by state fiat – what a ludicrous idea. Those individuals and businesses that want to pay their respects by shutting up shop are free to do so.Gardenwalker said:
Probably not.pm215 said:
Indeed not, but there is also no necessity to shut everything down for ten days when it happens.Gardenwalker said:
One would imagine there is no “ideal” time for the death of the monarch.pm215 said:
Now this seems pretty bad to me -- they've just had a big summer holiday pause while they sorted out a new PM. There must be a lot of stuff backlogged, and delaying it further can't be ideal.wooliedyed said:Looks like 10 days of parliament closure after Bridge, the cabinet meet with the new monarch during the period
A week would seem more reasonable.
What a nutter, we all thought.
They didn't close it for the weekend, but they did close it for Saturday.
They probably won't attempt quite that sort of overreach again, but I wouldn't rule it out.
Golly.
Similar thing will happen to the ECML so the Royal Train can inch its way down to London. Even as a republican I'm vaguely tempted to cycle to a spot with a decent view of the track.1 -
Not sure about the Diana boost thing, though it probably cemented Blair as The PM, and forcefully showed Conservatives how irrelevant they were at that point. At the end of June 1997, ICM was giving Lab 61, Con 23. Now that's a new PM bounce.IshmaelZ said:
It will work in her favour, provided she handles the speechifying and so on adequately, because people gravitate to the govt at times like this. Blair got a uge diana boost. Further down the road, it will fuel either a new Elizabethan era narrative, or be when everything went to shit, depending.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?1 -
Recollections may vary. Meghan isn't a trustworthy source, we know that.BartholomewRoberts said:
Many people would, yes, to ensure the bigotry was dealt with and didn't happen again.MISTY said:
Would you want to have talks with someone who insinuated on Prime time TV in America that bigotry was alive and well in your extended family?GIN1138 said:Maybe while Meghan and Kate are staying at Windsor without their husbands they might meet up and start trying to sort out some of this nonsense.
Shooting the messenger is the alternative.3 -
Getting a ghost of the ghost of Harry Flashman vibe here, smarting from his team’s bleaching by Ajax nae doot.IshmaelZ said:
Piss off Walty, entirely unnecessary and inappropriate.WalterWhite said:Ardent Republicans should have the decency to crawl under a stone at times such as these.
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Even if the "concerns" are blatantly raised in bad faith?BartholomewRoberts said:
Yes. If someone raises concerns, then the right thing to do is to try and in good faith address the concerns, not try to tear to shreds the person raising concerns.IshmaelZ said:
But Barty, you have not a shred of credible evidence of bigotry. You just don't know. Do you make a habit of believing this sort of shit on the evidence of one person?BartholomewRoberts said:
Many people would, yes, to ensure the bigotry was dealt with and didn't happen again.MISTY said:
Would you want to have talks with someone who insinuated on Prime time TV in America that bigotry was alive and well in your extended family?GIN1138 said:Maybe while Meghan and Kate are staying at Windsor without their husbands they might meet up and start trying to sort out some of this nonsense.
Shooting the messenger is the alternative.1 -
You’re such a snowflake. Unable to cope with differing views entering your safe space.WalterWhite said:Ardent Republicans should have the decency to crawl under a stone at times such as these.
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Pretty unequivocal.AlistairM said:Some more good news from Ukraine.
⚡️Ukraine reportedly liberates Balakliia in Kharkiv Oblast.
A video circulating on social media allegedly shows the Ukrainian flag installed on top of the district state administration building in the city of Balakliia.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1567906488928317441
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1567906372292956162
As Ukraine presses on in Balakliya, Ukrainian troops are now near the city council, located in the center of the city
Balakliya has been liberated
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Is this 6 o'clock announcement confirmed?0
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and 70% of the existence of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and NORTHERN Ireland.Gardenwalker said:The Queen has reigned for 30% of the USA’s existence.
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I just sense the electorate are ready for a change after 12 years of the Tories. Not sure any new leader, or any circumstances, would change that.Mexicanpete said:
I am not sure Truss as the incumbent will have the longer term bonus the monarch's passing once might have had. The World gets to know her early. And as so many have already said, what a mercy it will not happen on Johnson'sMaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
watch.
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Tbf I suspect you are right.Richard_Tyndall said:
My impression from talking to a few people who have been involved in planning these sorts of things (from the military perspective) is she has already died. Once that has happened they have to gather the family but also inform the Government's of all the states of which she is still head and then the rest of the Commonwealth.Benpointer said:
You already know when the Queen dies??Richard_Tyndall said:
Bugger. That's my wedding anniversary.wooliedyed said:
10 days after she diesMaxPB said:
Funeral day, government can plan for that at least. Then coronation day probably next spring.Gardenwalker said:What is the actual protocol?
Is tomorrow a bank holiday in the UK?
They are expecting the formal announcement will be made probably at 6pm.
I don't know for sure but looking at the reaction in Parliament today and the behaviour of the media, it seems likely to me.0 -
100% if you go by the annexation of Rockall.Daveyboy1961 said:
and 70% of the existence of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and NORTHERN Ireland.Gardenwalker said:The Queen has reigned for 30% of the USA’s existence.
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What I fear:AlistairM said:Some more good news from Ukraine.
⚡️Ukraine reportedly liberates Balakliia in Kharkiv Oblast.
A video circulating on social media allegedly shows the Ukrainian flag installed on top of the district state administration building in the city of Balakliia.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1567906488928317441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA0 -
I'm not exactly Mr Frequent Poster myself, but someone with 11 posts to their name really shouldn't be lecturing others on what they may or may not do.WalterWhite said:Ardent Republicans should have the decency to crawl under a stone at times such as these.
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Imperial stormtroopers weren't tweeting/telegramming how f*cked they were though.JosiasJessop said:
What I fear:AlistairM said:Some more good news from Ukraine.
⚡️Ukraine reportedly liberates Balakliia in Kharkiv Oblast.
A video circulating on social media allegedly shows the Ukrainian flag installed on top of the district state administration building in the city of Balakliia.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1567906488928317441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA1 -
Trump Pushed Officials to Prosecute His Critics, Ex-U.S. Attorney Says
Geoffrey S. Berman, who headed the Manhattan office, says in a book the Justice Department pushed cases, against John Kerry and others, to help Mr. Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/nyregion/geoffrey-berman-trump-book.html?referringSource=articleShare1 -
Irrelevant but reporting anyway, Redfield also show no bounce yet 42 to 30, remains 12% lead0
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There is a clear parallel with Blair who faced Diana's death a few months after coming to power, and I think did very well out of his reaction to it - The People's Princess and all that - which cemented him in people's minds as someone who could speak for the country and tap into and convey a feeling of strong emotion.MaxPB said:
I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).
I think there were indications beforehand that he might be good at that sort of thing, but the fact he was so good at it was a surprise. I think it would perhaps be a bigger surprise if Truss were to rise to the occasion as effectively, but if she does it could help her a lot.0 -
YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall0
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I think I might go and see the train; if it takes the reasonable route, I know a place that might be quiet with SOE connections, which might feel apt given HMQ's connection with the military and WW2. But not if my son wants to go, as it's a bit of a trek...LostPassword said:
Well the train will be going slowly. Could be quite a people-watching experience. Also a bit of a nod to my Grandad who worked on the railways at a time when they used to have railway staff guarding all the bridges over the line when the Royal Train went through.Anabobazina said:
Why? To see a train go past in a few seconds?LostPassword said:
Wasn't that so people could throw flowers at the hearse carrying Diana's coffin to the family estate?Anabobazina said:
They closed the M1 when Lady Di died? That is completely mawkish and un-British if true, and why the M1 specifically, not the A1 or M11 or M6?IshmaelZ said:
Did they really?Cookie said:
When her daughter-in-law died - this being in the infancy of the internet - the natural home of nutters was the radio phone in. I remember some nutter phoning radio 5 to say that to mark the death of Princess Diana, the M1 should be closed for the weekend.Anabobazina said:
Nothing should be forcibly closed by state fiat – what a ludicrous idea. Those individuals and businesses that want to pay their respects by shutting up shop are free to do so.Gardenwalker said:
Probably not.pm215 said:
Indeed not, but there is also no necessity to shut everything down for ten days when it happens.Gardenwalker said:
One would imagine there is no “ideal” time for the death of the monarch.pm215 said:
Now this seems pretty bad to me -- they've just had a big summer holiday pause while they sorted out a new PM. There must be a lot of stuff backlogged, and delaying it further can't be ideal.wooliedyed said:Looks like 10 days of parliament closure after Bridge, the cabinet meet with the new monarch during the period
A week would seem more reasonable.
What a nutter, we all thought.
They didn't close it for the weekend, but they did close it for Saturday.
They probably won't attempt quite that sort of overreach again, but I wouldn't rule it out.
Golly.
Similar thing will happen to the ECML so the Royal Train can inch its way down to London. Even as a republican I'm vaguely tempted to cycle to a spot with a decent view of the track.
I find all this stuff mawkish and weird in the extreme TBH.
(As ever, I expect thousands of people will congregate in a few easy-to-access places, whilst somewhere a few hundred metres from roads will be deserted.)0 -
....JosiasJessop said:
I think I might go and see the train; if it takes the reasonable route, I know a place that might be quiet with SOE connections, which might feel apt given HMQ's connection with the military and WW2. But not if my son wants to go, as it's a bit of a trek...LostPassword said:
Well the train will be going slowly. Could be quite a people-watching experience. Also a bit of a nod to my Grandad who worked on the railways at a time when they used to have railway staff guarding all the bridges over the line when the Royal Train went through.Anabobazina said:
Why? To see a train go past in a few seconds?LostPassword said:
Wasn't that so people could throw flowers at the hearse carrying Diana's coffin to the family estate?Anabobazina said:
They closed the M1 when Lady Di died? That is completely mawkish and un-British if true, and why the M1 specifically, not the A1 or M11 or M6?IshmaelZ said:
Did they really?Cookie said:
When her daughter-in-law died - this being in the infancy of the internet - the natural home of nutters was the radio phone in. I remember some nutter phoning radio 5 to say that to mark the death of Princess Diana, the M1 should be closed for the weekend.Anabobazina said:
Nothing should be forcibly closed by state fiat – what a ludicrous idea. Those individuals and businesses that want to pay their respects by shutting up shop are free to do so.Gardenwalker said:
Probably not.pm215 said:
Indeed not, but there is also no necessity to shut everything down for ten days when it happens.Gardenwalker said:
One would imagine there is no “ideal” time for the death of the monarch.pm215 said:
Now this seems pretty bad to me -- they've just had a big summer holiday pause while they sorted out a new PM. There must be a lot of stuff backlogged, and delaying it further can't be ideal.wooliedyed said:Looks like 10 days of parliament closure after Bridge, the cabinet meet with the new monarch during the period
A week would seem more reasonable.
What a nutter, we all thought.
They didn't close it for the weekend, but they did close it for Saturday.
They probably won't attempt quite that sort of overreach again, but I wouldn't rule it out.
Golly.
Similar thing will happen to the ECML so the Royal Train can inch its way down to London. Even as a republican I'm vaguely tempted to cycle to a spot with a decent view of the track.
I find all this stuff mawkish and weird in the extreme TBH.
(As ever, I expect thousands of people will congregate in a few easy-to-access places, whilst somewhere a few hundred metres from roads will be deserted.)0 -
They're not here.occasionalranter said:
Yeah. I'm not her biggest fan, but seems reasonable enough to me.biggles said:
To be fair, they do have kids. I’d understand if she’s with them.kle4 said:
Seems odd she wouldn't accompany her husband.wooliedyed said:Meghan not going to Balmoral
You are assuming the concern raised was real. Now it may be. But if so you'd raise it at the time not a couple of years later on prime time TV.BartholomewRoberts said:
Yes. If someone raises concerns, then the right thing to do is to try and in good faith address the concerns, not try to tear to shreds the person raising concerns.IshmaelZ said:
But Barty, you have not a shred of credible evidence of bigotry. You just don't know. Do you make a habit of believing this sort of shit on the evidence of one person?BartholomewRoberts said:
Many people would, yes, to ensure the bigotry was dealt with and didn't happen again.MISTY said:
Would you want to have talks with someone who insinuated on Prime time TV in America that bigotry was alive and well in your extended family?GIN1138 said:Maybe while Meghan and Kate are staying at Windsor without their husbands they might meet up and start trying to sort out some of this nonsense.
Shooting the messenger is the alternative.
Plus - and I speak as an investigator here - one of the first things I would want to clarify would be the inconsistencies between what he said and she said about the incident during that interview. He said it only happened once and to him. She says it was multiple times but she was not present.
So which is it?
The worry is that vague non-specific allegations are made in a way that is hurtful and damaging but also in a way which makes them hard to investigate and distrustful of what you are told and the motives of the person doing it and also whether further conversations will be used for purposes other than what they are intended for.
Trust is needed when you are trying to sort out sensitive issues like this. Takes time to build and can be very quickly destroyed.
These sorts of investigations are some of the hardest to deal with. People going to the press (and I've had my share of those too) make everything very much harder.3 -
This is incredible, folks. Balakliya has been retaken. I think the next main goal is Kupyansk — the key railroad and automobile transportation center between Russia and northern and central Donbas. Sever this GLOC and Russians are in the world of shit.
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It was hammy as fuck, that theatrical sort catch in the throat gurgle kind of effect. It worked though. Hague made an early twat of himself by explicitly complaining that he was making capital out of it - true but not salable.OnlyLivingBoy said:
There is a clear parallel with Blair who faced Diana's death a few months after coming to power, and I think did very well out of his reaction to it - The People's Princess and all that - which cemented him in people's minds as someone who could speak for the country and tap into and convey a feeling of strong emotion.MaxPB said:
I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).
I think there were indications beforehand that he might be good at that sort of thing, but the fact he was so good at it was a surprise. I think it would perhaps be a bigger surprise if Truss were to rise to the occasion as effectively, but if she does it could help her a lot.0 -
Yeah. There's a barn near it which features a tiny but poignant museum to the SOE - just a few exhibits. From memory it's the barn where the agents were given their equipment before taking off.Carnyx said:
Begins with T ..,, doesn't it?JosiasJessop said:
I think I might go and see the train; if it takes the reasonable route, I know a place that might be quiet with SOE connections, which might feel apt given HMQ's connection with the military and WW2. But not if my son wants to go, as it's a bit of a trek...LostPassword said:
Well the train will be going slowly. Could be quite a people-watching experience. Also a bit of a nod to my Grandad who worked on the railways at a time when they used to have railway staff guarding all the bridges over the line when the Royal Train went through.Anabobazina said:
Why? To see a train go past in a few seconds?LostPassword said:
Wasn't that so people could throw flowers at the hearse carrying Diana's coffin to the family estate?Anabobazina said:
They closed the M1 when Lady Di died? That is completely mawkish and un-British if true, and why the M1 specifically, not the A1 or M11 or M6?IshmaelZ said:
Did they really?Cookie said:
When her daughter-in-law died - this being in the infancy of the internet - the natural home of nutters was the radio phone in. I remember some nutter phoning radio 5 to say that to mark the death of Princess Diana, the M1 should be closed for the weekend.Anabobazina said:
Nothing should be forcibly closed by state fiat – what a ludicrous idea. Those individuals and businesses that want to pay their respects by shutting up shop are free to do so.Gardenwalker said:
Probably not.pm215 said:
Indeed not, but there is also no necessity to shut everything down for ten days when it happens.Gardenwalker said:
One would imagine there is no “ideal” time for the death of the monarch.pm215 said:
Now this seems pretty bad to me -- they've just had a big summer holiday pause while they sorted out a new PM. There must be a lot of stuff backlogged, and delaying it further can't be ideal.wooliedyed said:Looks like 10 days of parliament closure after Bridge, the cabinet meet with the new monarch during the period
A week would seem more reasonable.
What a nutter, we all thought.
They didn't close it for the weekend, but they did close it for Saturday.
They probably won't attempt quite that sort of overreach again, but I wouldn't rule it out.
Golly.
Similar thing will happen to the ECML so the Royal Train can inch its way down to London. Even as a republican I'm vaguely tempted to cycle to a spot with a decent view of the track.
I find all this stuff mawkish and weird in the extreme TBH.
(As ever, I expect thousands of people will congregate in a few easy-to-access places, whilst somewhere a few hundred metres from roads will be deserted.)4 -
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
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Another bit of energy stuff, it seems as though the proposal is to decouple gas prices from electricity, that immediately brings a lot of relief and will act as an effective "windfall tax" on domestic electricity producers who have been charging at the marginal cost of gas. I'd like to see a European approach to this, the UK has been invited by the EU into a temporary energy pricing alliance which to me seems like a good idea.5
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Keir hasn't explained how he intends to tax Norway and Qatar, until he does it's bullshit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
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The news from Ukraine is very encouraging, it seems.5
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When does the weather change in Ukraine, such that you wouldn’t want to be an occupying force with crap logistics lines?AlistairM said:This is incredible, folks. Balakliya has been retaken. I think the next main goal is Kupyansk — the key railroad and automobile transportation center between Russia and northern and central Donbas. Sever this GLOC and Russians are in the world of shit.
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There's going to be some interesting contract law with all this I guess? Lawyers having a field day? But we are at war so stuff must be done.MaxPB said:Another bit of energy stuff, it seems as though the proposal is to decouple gas prices from electricity, that immediately brings a lot of relief and will act as an effective "windfall tax" on domestic electricity producers who have been charging at the marginal cost of gas. I'd like to see a European approach to this, the UK has been invited by the EU into a temporary energy pricing alliance which to me seems like a good idea.
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Nope.WalterWhite said:Ardent Republicans should have the decency to crawl under a stone at times such as these.
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I just want some actual detail, but I don't think we'll be getting that for a while now.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
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All of the affected countries working together makes sense, but as with vaccines, is the EU the right organisation to be running the show?MaxPB said:Another bit of energy stuff, it seems as though the proposal is to decouple gas prices from electricity, that immediately brings a lot of relief and will act as an effective "windfall tax" on domestic electricity producers who have been charging at the marginal cost of gas. I'd like to see a European approach to this, the UK has been invited by the EU into a temporary energy pricing alliance which to me seems like a good idea.
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NEW! Liz Truss First Prime Ministerial Approval Rating (7 September):
Neither: 40%
Disapprove: 23%
Approve: 22%
Don't know: 14%
Net: -1%
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/magnified-email/issue-49 https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1567910715020742658/photo/10 -
Luckily in this country parliament is sovereign and primary legislation does mean something. If the government uses an act of Parliament to amend contracts then there's really not much that the likes of SSE can do about it.rottenborough said:
There's going to be some interesting contract law with all this I guess? Lawyers having a field day? But we are at war so stuff must be done.MaxPB said:Another bit of energy stuff, it seems as though the proposal is to decouple gas prices from electricity, that immediately brings a lot of relief and will act as an effective "windfall tax" on domestic electricity producers who have been charging at the marginal cost of gas. I'd like to see a European approach to this, the UK has been invited by the EU into a temporary energy pricing alliance which to me seems like a good idea.
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Not so much with his much stingier short term proposal. He has captured the foot stampers/mummy mummy make the bad man pay zeitgeist thoughTheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
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Labour leads by 12%, tied largest lead for Labour that we've recorded.
Westminster Voting Intention (7 Sept.):
Labour 42% (-1)
Conservative 30% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 14% (+2)
Green 6% (–)
SNP 5% (–)
Reform UK 2% (-1)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 4 Sept.
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/magnified-email/issue-49 https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1567907411125485569/photo/11 -
If they were pre-1947 there was the added bonus that they contained real silver and were worth a lot more than face value if you took them to a jeweller.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Not so! Before the downsizing of 5p and 10p pieces there used to be plenty of George VI 1s and 2s pieces in circulation. When I was a kid in the 1980s I remember being especially excited whenever I found one of the pre-48 ones with "Ind Imp" written on it.LostPassword said:This might seem a little thing, but decimalisation will make this a particularly strange succession. Previous generations would have been used to having coinage with the representation of several monarchs in circulation, but most people have grown up with only QEII on the coins.
Now, for the first time in decades, we will have a mix of coins circulating with QEII or KCIII on them. That will be strange.0 -
It is.Anabobazina said:
Why? To see a train go past in a few seconds?LostPassword said:
Wasn't that so people could throw flowers at the hearse carrying Diana's coffin to the family estate?Anabobazina said:
They closed the M1 when Lady Di died? That is completely mawkish and un-British if true, and why the M1 specifically, not the A1 or M11 or M6?IshmaelZ said:
Did they really?Cookie said:
When her daughter-in-law died - this being in the infancy of the internet - the natural home of nutters was the radio phone in. I remember some nutter phoning radio 5 to say that to mark the death of Princess Diana, the M1 should be closed for the weekend.Anabobazina said:
Nothing should be forcibly closed by state fiat – what a ludicrous idea. Those individuals and businesses that want to pay their respects by shutting up shop are free to do so.Gardenwalker said:
Probably not.pm215 said:
Indeed not, but there is also no necessity to shut everything down for ten days when it happens.Gardenwalker said:
One would imagine there is no “ideal” time for the death of the monarch.pm215 said:
Now this seems pretty bad to me -- they've just had a big summer holiday pause while they sorted out a new PM. There must be a lot of stuff backlogged, and delaying it further can't be ideal.wooliedyed said:Looks like 10 days of parliament closure after Bridge, the cabinet meet with the new monarch during the period
A week would seem more reasonable.
What a nutter, we all thought.
They didn't close it for the weekend, but they did close it for Saturday.
They probably won't attempt quite that sort of overreach again, but I wouldn't rule it out.
Golly.
Similar thing will happen to the ECML so the Royal Train can inch its way down to London. Even as a republican I'm vaguely tempted to cycle to a spot with a decent view of the track.
I find all this stuff mawkish and weird in the extreme TBH.
But wait until you see the people bending over and looking back at the funeral procession through their legs.
(Robert Kirk reference.)
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Just in a sense that we should all be in alignment on pricing structures, it's no use if the UK government says electricity prices are to be separated if Europe doesn't follow suit because UK producers suddenly have a huge incentive to export UK generated power to Europe via the interconnects.Sandpit said:
All of the affected countries working together makes sense, but as with vaccines, is the EU the right organisation to be running the show?MaxPB said:Another bit of energy stuff, it seems as though the proposal is to decouple gas prices from electricity, that immediately brings a lot of relief and will act as an effective "windfall tax" on domestic electricity producers who have been charging at the marginal cost of gas. I'd like to see a European approach to this, the UK has been invited by the EU into a temporary energy pricing alliance which to me seems like a good idea.
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Cold in October freezing in November, precipitation fairly evenly distributedbiggles said:
When does the weather change in Ukraine, such that you wouldn’t want to be an occupying force with crap logistics lines?AlistairM said:This is incredible, folks. Balakliya has been retaken. I think the next main goal is Kupyansk — the key railroad and automobile transportation center between Russia and northern and central Donbas. Sever this GLOC and Russians are in the world of shit.
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It’ll be back to mud by the end of this month, and freezing by the middle of November.biggles said:
When does the weather change in Ukraine, such that you wouldn’t want to be an occupying force with crap logistics lines?AlistairM said:This is incredible, folks. Balakliya has been retaken. I think the next main goal is Kupyansk — the key railroad and automobile transportation center between Russia and northern and central Donbas. Sever this GLOC and Russians are in the world of shit.
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I agree if she resolves the CoL crisis - and let's see - she'll reap a dividend. But London Bridge? No, I don't think so. I think she'll do the necessary perfectly well, as is only to be expected, but I can't see her pulling off some master-thespian voice-catch, "she was the people's princess" type stunt. Or even trying to. And thank god for that.MaxPB said:
I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).0 -
Oh yes it was appalling but also brilliant. I remember it vividly, I had stayed over at my sister's flat after a party and we woke up to the awful news the morning after. I remember watching Blair on the TV and my sister's flatmate said "fuck, he's good". To be fair to Blair, he caught the public mood early on and helped the Royal family to navigate it, which I think they might have failed to on their own.IshmaelZ said:
It was hammy as fuck, that theatrical sort catch in the throat gurgle kind of effect. It worked though. Hague made an early twat of himself by explicitly complaining that he was making capital out of it - true but not salable.OnlyLivingBoy said:
There is a clear parallel with Blair who faced Diana's death a few months after coming to power, and I think did very well out of his reaction to it - The People's Princess and all that - which cemented him in people's minds as someone who could speak for the country and tap into and convey a feeling of strong emotion.MaxPB said:
I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).
I think there were indications beforehand that he might be good at that sort of thing, but the fact he was so good at it was a surprise. I think it would perhaps be a bigger surprise if Truss were to rise to the occasion as effectively, but if she does it could help her a lot.1 -
But the whole nation was going through some kind of para-social grief, possibly a guilt-response (I was only little, so the main impact to me was because it was all over the telly. I also remember a few grown-ups bursting into tears). He got the mood of the nation bang on, doesn't matter if he was shameless in going about it.IshmaelZ said:
It was hammy as fuck, that theatrical sort catch in the throat gurgle kind of effect. It worked though. Hague made an early twat of himself by explicitly complaining that he was making capital out of it - true but not salable.OnlyLivingBoy said:
There is a clear parallel with Blair who faced Diana's death a few months after coming to power, and I think did very well out of his reaction to it - The People's Princess and all that - which cemented him in people's minds as someone who could speak for the country and tap into and convey a feeling of strong emotion.MaxPB said:
I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).
I think there were indications beforehand that he might be good at that sort of thing, but the fact he was so good at it was a surprise. I think it would perhaps be a bigger surprise if Truss were to rise to the occasion as effectively, but if she does it could help her a lot.1 -
Doesn’t matter, the public likes it.MaxPB said:
Keir hasn't explained how he intends to tax Norway and Qatar, until he does it's bullshit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
Think of it like the bull crap Boris Johnson used to come out with and public loved.
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It smells a bit 1993-7 Ken Clarke to me...TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
Truss has done the rightish sort of thing, and can probably tapdance over the difference between her plan now and what she's said previously. But it leaves people feeling a bit rubbish, and there's not much gratitude to be had for preventing it being even worse. And there's an obvious thing that the public want to happen that isn't happening. It doesn't matter whether a windfall tax is good economics, it's lousy democratic politics.
... and we know how 1993-7 ended, don't we?0 -
From Zelensky advisor Podolyak:
Strange proposals by certain figures to mediate between 🇺🇦 and 🇷🇺 should be considered as an attempt to use 🇺🇦 topic in order to recover their name in their own countries. Any mediator must have trust, authority, relevance. For sure neither Berlusconi nor Merkel has it. For what?
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You’d take that if you were her.Scott_xP said:NEW! Liz Truss First Prime Ministerial Approval Rating (7 September):
Neither: 40%
Disapprove: 23%
Approve: 22%
Don't know: 14%
Net: -1%
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/magnified-email/issue-49 https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1567910715020742658/photo/1
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We saw how that worked out for Boris, though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Doesn’t matter, the public likes it.MaxPB said:
Keir hasn't explained how he intends to tax Norway and Qatar, until he does it's bullshit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
Think of it like the bull crap Boris Johnson used to come out with and public loved.0 -
The problem to the ongoing rift is less which side is being entirely truthful, since recollections do indeed vary, but that the rift is in the interests of Harry and Meghan as it keeps focus on them, and the others have no benefit to healing it either since to meet Harry and Meghan halfway would involve them in an issue they don't want to open up.MaxPB said:
Recollections may vary. Meghan isn't a trustworthy source, we know that.BartholomewRoberts said:
Many people would, yes, to ensure the bigotry was dealt with and didn't happen again.MISTY said:
Would you want to have talks with someone who insinuated on Prime time TV in America that bigotry was alive and well in your extended family?GIN1138 said:Maybe while Meghan and Kate are staying at Windsor without their husbands they might meet up and start trying to sort out some of this nonsense.
Shooting the messenger is the alternative.3 -
A lot of room for improvement there with the 40% undecided.Scott_xP said:NEW! Liz Truss First Prime Ministerial Approval Rating (7 September):
Neither: 40%
Disapprove: 23%
Approve: 22%
Don't know: 14%
Net: -1%
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Not the nation, unless you mean England. There was real shock in Scotland amongst many royalists, never mind the republicans, wo were horrified at the OTT stuff.Unpopular said:
But the whole nation was going through some kind of para-social grief, possibly a guilt-response (I was only little, so the main impact to me was because it was all over the telly. I also remember a few grown-ups bursting into tears). He got the mood of the nation bang on, doesn't matter if he was shameless in going about it.IshmaelZ said:
It was hammy as fuck, that theatrical sort catch in the throat gurgle kind of effect. It worked though. Hague made an early twat of himself by explicitly complaining that he was making capital out of it - true but not salable.OnlyLivingBoy said:
There is a clear parallel with Blair who faced Diana's death a few months after coming to power, and I think did very well out of his reaction to it - The People's Princess and all that - which cemented him in people's minds as someone who could speak for the country and tap into and convey a feeling of strong emotion.MaxPB said:
I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).
I think there were indications beforehand that he might be good at that sort of thing, but the fact he was so good at it was a surprise. I think it would perhaps be a bigger surprise if Truss were to rise to the occasion as effectively, but if she does it could help her a lot.
No idea if there was a transition at, say, Watdford Gap or the Trent, mind.0 -
It was his equivalent of Jackson's moonwalk at Motown 25. The moment he went stratospheric.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Oh yes it was appalling but also brilliant. I remember it vividly, I had stayed over at my sister's flat after a party and we woke up to the awful news the morning after. I remember watching Blair on the TV and my sister's flatmate said "fuck, he's good". To be fair to Blair, he caught the public mood early on and helped the Royal family to navigate it, which I think they might have failed to on their own.IshmaelZ said:
It was hammy as fuck, that theatrical sort catch in the throat gurgle kind of effect. It worked though. Hague made an early twat of himself by explicitly complaining that he was making capital out of it - true but not salable.OnlyLivingBoy said:
There is a clear parallel with Blair who faced Diana's death a few months after coming to power, and I think did very well out of his reaction to it - The People's Princess and all that - which cemented him in people's minds as someone who could speak for the country and tap into and convey a feeling of strong emotion.MaxPB said:
I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).
I think there were indications beforehand that he might be good at that sort of thing, but the fact he was so good at it was a surprise. I think it would perhaps be a bigger surprise if Truss were to rise to the occasion as effectively, but if she does it could help her a lot.1 -
Of course the public likes a theoretical ‘other’ paying the bill, when there’s a group of people advocating this completely unchallenged by the media as to what they actually mean.TheScreamingEagles said:
Doesn’t matter, the public likes it.MaxPB said:
Keir hasn't explained how he intends to tax Norway and Qatar, until he does it's bullshit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
Think of it like the bull crap Boris Johnson used to come out with and public loved.0 -
He got to be Prime Minister for three years. I'd call that a success.MaxPB said:
We saw how that worked out for Boris, though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Doesn’t matter, the public likes it.MaxPB said:
Keir hasn't explained how he intends to tax Norway and Qatar, until he does it's bullshit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
Think of it like the bull crap Boris Johnson used to come out with and public loved.0 -
I hope this isn't true. She looked okay just two days when meeting Johnson and Truss.Richard_Tyndall said:
My impression from talking to a few people who have been involved in planning these sorts of things (from the military perspective) is she has already died. Once that has happened they have to gather the family but also inform the Government's of all the states of which she is still head and then the rest of the Commonwealth.Benpointer said:
You already know when the Queen dies??Richard_Tyndall said:
Bugger. That's my wedding anniversary.wooliedyed said:
10 days after she diesMaxPB said:
Funeral day, government can plan for that at least. Then coronation day probably next spring.Gardenwalker said:What is the actual protocol?
Is tomorrow a bank holiday in the UK?
They are expecting the formal announcement will be made probably at 6pm.
I don't know for sure but looking at the reaction in Parliament today and the behaviour of the media, it seems likely to me.0 -
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Truss sneaks back ahead as best PM 37 to 35 with Redfield1
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Yeah, that's basically the donkey-with-a-rosette voters on each side, with everyone else sensibly waiting until she does anything before they decide whether they approve of what she's doing.biggles said:
You’d take that if you were her.Scott_xP said:NEW! Liz Truss First Prime Ministerial Approval Rating (7 September):
Neither: 40%
Disapprove: 23%
Approve: 22%
Don't know: 14%
Net: -1%
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LLG a whopping 62%, and the biggest Lib Dem score for a while.Scott_xP said:Labour leads by 12%, tied largest lead for Labour that we've recorded.
Westminster Voting Intention (7 Sept.):
Labour 42% (-1)
Conservative 30% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 14% (+2)
Green 6% (–)
SNP 5% (–)
Reform UK 2% (-1)
Other 2% (+1)
Changes +/- 4 Sept.
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/magnified-email/issue-49 https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1567907411125485569/photo/1
Let’s see how today - London Bridge + energy freeze - changes things.
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I would call it many things, but 'success' would not be one of them.kle4 said:
He got to be Prime Minister for three years. I'd call that a success.MaxPB said:
We saw how that worked out for Boris, though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Doesn’t matter, the public likes it.MaxPB said:
Keir hasn't explained how he intends to tax Norway and Qatar, until he does it's bullshit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
Think of it like the bull crap Boris Johnson used to come out with and public loved.0 -
Dare we hope that this is the beginning of the end?Sandpit said:
It’ll be back to mud by the end of this month, and freezing by the middle of November.biggles said:
When does the weather change in Ukraine, such that you wouldn’t want to be an occupying force with crap logistics lines?AlistairM said:This is incredible, folks. Balakliya has been retaken. I think the next main goal is Kupyansk — the key railroad and automobile transportation center between Russia and northern and central Donbas. Sever this GLOC and Russians are in the world of shit.
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1567909502770462720
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It was for him.ydoethur said:
I would call it many things, but 'success' would not be one of them.kle4 said:
He got to be Prime Minister for three years. I'd call that a success.MaxPB said:
We saw how that worked out for Boris, though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Doesn’t matter, the public likes it.MaxPB said:
Keir hasn't explained how he intends to tax Norway and Qatar, until he does it's bullshit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
Think of it like the bull crap Boris Johnson used to come out with and public loved.1 -
If someone doesn't want to be viewed as something, it's advisable that they not be it.williamglenn said:
It would be nice if it drew a line under the lazy, NYT-style "Britain is a laughing stock" era of international coverage too.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?0 -
Does that make Prescott “bubbles” the semi-trained chimp?kinabalu said:
It was his equivalent of Jackson's moonwalk at Motown 25. The moment he went stratospheric.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Oh yes it was appalling but also brilliant. I remember it vividly, I had stayed over at my sister's flat after a party and we woke up to the awful news the morning after. I remember watching Blair on the TV and my sister's flatmate said "fuck, he's good". To be fair to Blair, he caught the public mood early on and helped the Royal family to navigate it, which I think they might haveIshmaelZ said:
It was hammy as fuck, that theatrical sort catch in the throat gurgle kind of effect. It worked though. Hague made an early twat of himself by explicitly complaining that he was making capital out of it - true but not salable.OnlyLivingBoy said:
There is a clear parallel with Blair who faced Diana's death a few months after coming to power, and I think did very well out of his reaction to it - The People's Princess and all that - which cemented him in people's minds as someone who could speak for the country and tap into and convey a feeling of strong emotion.MaxPB said:
I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).
I think there were indications beforehand that he might be good at that sort of thing, but the fact he was so good at it was a surprise. I think it would perhaps be a bigger surprise if Truss were to rise to the occasion as effectively, but if she does it could help her a lot.
failed to on their own.
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JJ's memory agrees with mine. SOE memorial Tempsford. It's in one of many disused WWII airfields> I walked by it on footpaths several times on the way to Peterborough, part of which is Roman. Very moving.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/RAF+Tempsford+SOE+Barn/@52.1579097,-0.2573984,14z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4877cfbd364307f1:0xe05c00b6ab9f65f7!8m2!3d52.158529!4d-0.2583234?hl=en1 -
Well, I was not only little, and I found it perplexing and fucking hilarious in about equal parts. Now you may say quite rightly that I am a high functioning sociopath, but perplexity was pretty standard.Unpopular said:
But the whole nation was going through some kind of para-social grief, possibly a guilt-response (I was only little, so the main impact to me was because it was all over the telly. I also remember a few grown-ups bursting into tears). He got the mood of the nation bang on, doesn't matter if he was shameless in going about it.IshmaelZ said:
It was hammy as fuck, that theatrical sort catch in the throat gurgle kind of effect. It worked though. Hague made an early twat of himself by explicitly complaining that he was making capital out of it - true but not salable.OnlyLivingBoy said:
There is a clear parallel with Blair who faced Diana's death a few months after coming to power, and I think did very well out of his reaction to it - The People's Princess and all that - which cemented him in people's minds as someone who could speak for the country and tap into and convey a feeling of strong emotion.MaxPB said:
I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).
I think there were indications beforehand that he might be good at that sort of thing, but the fact he was so good at it was a surprise. I think it would perhaps be a bigger surprise if Truss were to rise to the occasion as effectively, but if she does it could help her a lot.0 -
I don't think it even was for him.kle4 said:
It was for him.ydoethur said:
I would call it many things, but 'success' would not be one of them.kle4 said:
He got to be Prime Minister for three years. I'd call that a success.MaxPB said:
We saw how that worked out for Boris, though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Doesn’t matter, the public likes it.MaxPB said:
Keir hasn't explained how he intends to tax Norway and Qatar, until he does it's bullshit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
Think of it like the bull crap Boris Johnson used to come out with and public loved.0 -
I suspect at the very least it is the end of the beginning.biggles said:
Dare we hope that this is the beginning of the end?Sandpit said:
It’ll be back to mud by the end of this month, and freezing by the middle of November.biggles said:
When does the weather change in Ukraine, such that you wouldn’t want to be an occupying force with crap logistics lines?AlistairM said:This is incredible, folks. Balakliya has been retaken. I think the next main goal is Kupyansk — the key railroad and automobile transportation center between Russia and northern and central Donbas. Sever this GLOC and Russians are in the world of shit.
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Odd to think that Truss's first meeting with most world leaders as PM will be at HMQ's funeral.4
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Absolutely right - if for example someone didn’t want to be seen as a Russian troll then it’s advisable that they not be one.Dynamo said:
If someone doesn't want to be viewed aswilliamglenn said:
It would be nice if it drew a line under the lazy, NYT-style "Britain is a laughing stock" era of international coverage too.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
something, it's advisable that they not be it.
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He reached the top of his chosen profession.ydoethur said:
I don't think it even was for him.kle4 said:
It was for him.ydoethur said:
I would call it many things, but 'success' would not be one of them.kle4 said:
He got to be Prime Minister for three years. I'd call that a success.MaxPB said:
We saw how that worked out for Boris, though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Doesn’t matter, the public likes it.MaxPB said:
Keir hasn't explained how he intends to tax Norway and Qatar, until he does it's bullshit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
Think of it like the bull crap Boris Johnson used to come out with and public loved.0 -
The news must get a little less "newsy" soon.
Mustn't it?1 -
Fair point. Even my girlfriend's Unionist parents don't have much time for Monarchy as an institution and she's often remarked that the monarchy feels pretty distant to her in a way that feels distinctly Scottish. Beyond sympathy for the personal tragedy, probably won't have felt much grief for Diana themselves.Carnyx said:
Not the nation, unless you mean England. There was real shock in Scotland amongst many royalists, never mind the republicans, wo were horrified at the OTT stuff.Unpopular said:
But the whole nation was going through some kind of para-social grief, possibly a guilt-response (I was only little, so the main impact to me was because it was all over the telly. I also remember a few grown-ups bursting into tears). He got the mood of the nation bang on, doesn't matter if he was shameless in going about it.IshmaelZ said:
It was hammy as fuck, that theatrical sort catch in the throat gurgle kind of effect. It worked though. Hague made an early twat of himself by explicitly complaining that he was making capital out of it - true but not salable.OnlyLivingBoy said:
There is a clear parallel with Blair who faced Diana's death a few months after coming to power, and I think did very well out of his reaction to it - The People's Princess and all that - which cemented him in people's minds as someone who could speak for the country and tap into and convey a feeling of strong emotion.MaxPB said:
I think it's different, a lot of people have pre-conceptions of Liz Truss based on a partial media profile and being associated with Boris. This is a huge global stage to reset it all and stand out for who she is, not what people think she is. That doesn't happen often for politicians and Liz seems canny enough to make it work for her.kinabalu said:
I'm sure she'll handle it fine but I'm not sure about a lasting political impact. Neutral to small positive (for her) is what I'd expect.MaxPB said:
Quite the opposite, it could be the making of her politically if she plays it well. It's exactly the kind of event that marks a reset in people's opinions and Liz Truss could come out of the other side with a lot of credit she may not have otherwise got. Crises, inevitably, play well for politicians, even Boris got a COVID bounce despite all of the disorganisation and confusion surrounding lockdowns, PPE and the rest of it. The reason it didn't stick was Boris. If Liz can avoid partying on the Queen's grave I think she'll do well and can show she's a serious leader, not a comedian.Gardenwalker said:Is there any political impact do we think?
Will Liz Truss’s Premiership be indelibly marked?
We have often talked about the psychological rupture about to be experienced, the sense of “falling into the future”. Will that colour how people think of Liz Truss?
The energy stuff today is a good example of what I mean, expectations were very low and actually we got a pretty wide ranging package and a commitment to be energy independent at some stage. While that's been overshadowed, the lasting policy effect will be a net positive for her vs what people expected (£400-600 and no help with monthly bills vs £150-200).
I think there were indications beforehand that he might be good at that sort of thing, but the fact he was so good at it was a surprise. I think it would perhaps be a bigger surprise if Truss were to rise to the occasion as effectively, but if she does it could help her a lot.
No idea if there was a transition at, say, Watdford Gap or the Trent, mind.0 -
The Crown scriptwriters crammed as much material into the final season as they could.dixiedean said:The news must get a little less "newsy" soon.
Mustn't it?1 -
I was thinking about this the other day. He got Brexit over the line and bedded in (like it or not) and in doing so he outlasted PMs like Eden, Bannerman, Brown, Chamberlain, and Callaghan. He lasted only a year less than Heath.kle4 said:
He got to be Prime Minister for three years. I'd call that a success.MaxPB said:
We saw how that worked out for Boris, though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Doesn’t matter, the public likes it.MaxPB said:
Keir hasn't explained how he intends to tax Norway and Qatar, until he does it's bullshit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sir Keir speaks for the nation.wooliedyed said:YouGov 80% in favour of the energy proposals but 54% say too little help and 68% want more windfall
Think of it like the bull crap Boris Johnson used to come out with and public loved.
Basically, he gets his history book chapter and will be viewed as having made the weather from 2016-2022. I think that, in time, he’ll be ok with that.
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