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  • HYUFD said:
    Will Truss be taking on the role of minister for the Union from her predecessor? Some big shoes to fill.


  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    vino said:

    It's not the vote of the majority of PB posters that LT is after but voters like me - Boris fans - so further to the right she goes the better as far as I'm concerned - first impressions are good but will wait for more details especially with regard to illegal immigration

    Well she needs to learn how to count. There's a dozen 2019 and previous Tories here who have said they wouldn't vote for Boris again, vs Boris fans you and HYUFD. HYUFD is sui generis and you seem confused if you think Boris was far right, so she'd do better trying to win the dozen back.
  • Not only am I older than the PM, I'm older than the entire cabinet.

    Time to put me out to pasture.

    Oh, and Chloe Smith. In cabinet. What the actual feck?
    Good job I didn't have a mouthful of tea when I heard that announced.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,694

    No job for Redwood so far?

    There can't be much left unless she's going to make up a new position for him?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333
    edited September 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Chris Philp is Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Michael Ellis QC is Attorney General and so and we have Truss' full Cabinet

    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1567265420826099712?s=20&t=duPelsRvggRVsap3wFa_5A
    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1567266662801448961?s=20&t=duPelsRvggRVsap3wFa_5A
    Plus Ed Argar as Cabinet Office Minister and Paymaster General and Vicky Ford at Overseas Development

    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1567268075459809282?s=20&t=duPelsRvggRVsap3wFa_5A
    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1567268964543205378?s=20&t=3EO6T6ZQyvk8dTEsubS6ew
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,067

    Not only am I older than the PM, I'm older than the entire cabinet.

    Time to put me out to pasture.

    Oh, and Chloe Smith. In cabinet. What the actual feck?
    Good job I didn't have a mouthful of tea when I heard that announced.

    Does she have some sort of reputation? I confess I'd never heard of her, whereas everyone else the names at least sounded familiar.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited September 2022

    Depends. Truss could do something really stupid like capping all energy bills at pre-crisis levels, accepting that it will lead to a massive increase in borrowing but will make it seem like she has solved the problem for the next couple of winters. People might be daft enough to look upon that as strong action that saves them from disaster without worrying about the long term consequences and that might see her through the next election.

    I hope I am wrong but I don't think it is impossible. Some creative maths saying this will be paid back by a future energy levy to kick in when real prices are back down to more normal levels and will be over such a long period that they will claim people won't notice.

    I hope no one on the new Truss team reads PB and thinks this is a good idea. It isn't.
    Its all both smoke and mirrors and required action to avoid catastrophe.
    Shes going to go hard and huge and extend it till the next GE so she can try and claim 'week one and the biggest problem is under control' and ride a bounce into populist Tory delighting stuff and the right media will push the 'just like Maggie she was underestimated' line
    Of course just like Gordon 'saved the world innit' Brown and co's interventions and profligacy, the cost will require extreme action on tax or austerity in 2025.
    However, it remains necessary to solve the issue at hand, the rest is just the pantomime costumes around it. I merely hope the long term energy provision and needs are attended to.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,714
    edited September 2022

    Doesn't seem like a cabinet that's going to win the Red Wall somehow

    At a glance, and I can't be bothered to do the analysis, it does look as if virtually all the Cabinet are southern MPs. Simon Clarke and Jake Berry aren't, and there may be others - but even if so, midlands/northern representation looks a bit weak.
  • vinovino Posts: 173
    IshmaelZ said:

    Well she needs to learn how to count. There's a dozen 2019 and previous Tories here who have said they wouldn't vote for Boris again, vs Boris fans you and HYUFD. HYUFD is sui generis and you seem confused if you think Boris was far right, so she'd do better trying to win the dozen back.
    Never said Boris was to the right - twas Brexit for me - Could Thursday's by-elections be an early indication of the initial success or failure of LT?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    No job for Redwood so far?

    He's too old. 55 looks the cut-off. If you can go on a Saga holiday you can't be around Truss.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Chris said:

    Indeed. No mandate, already unpopular, perhaps ruinously so by Christmas, yet we're still probably going to have to endure it for the next two years.
    I think the issue will be dealing with backbench MPs.
  • This is why talk of "twelve years of this Government" is false, the Government has rejuvenated over time. The composition of this Cabinet bears next to zero resemblance with Cameron's . . . is the PM the only survivor from Cameron's day herself?
    I believe mutated is the term.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,562
    Foxy said:

    Some years ago I was put up to speak for a department that was failing very badly, when the CQC called. Obviously management were a bit worried, so I was well briefed, and had a file full of stuff to explain our excuses and mitigations. They knew I would be honest, and wanted me to be honest as we already were fixing stuff.

    The 2 inspectors were a junior nurse and a junior doctor and hadn't spotted any of the issues, instead asked me about a lot of irrelevant trivia about protocols for this and that. I answered to their satisfaction and they went away without noticing the dead suppurating elephant in the room and wrote a positive write up

    I haven't had much faith in them since.

    Thanks.
  • kle4 said:

    Does she have some sort of reputation? I confess I'd never heard of her, whereas everyone else the names at least sounded familiar.
    She briefly became famous amongst political obsessives when she had a total dire interview on Newsnight. She was shunted out of the limelight for several years.

    Seems intelligent and competent to me from a distance. Quite pleased she has taken DWP and not bloody IDS yet again.
  • @trussliz
    I spoke to President @ZelenskyyUa this evening and reiterated our steadfast support for Ukraine’s freedom and democracy.

    Russia's attempts to weaponise energy must not deter the West.

    Ukraine can depend on the UK for support in the long term. 🇬🇧🇺🇦


    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1567268354209058828
  • HYUFD said:

    Or in Jacob's case the 1790s
    A catholic wouldn’t have been an MP then… May be the 1690s as a survivor of the glorious revolution?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Freezing of bills was expensive enough . But Truss has promised the NI cut aswell as an income tax cut . The combination of all those in terms of costs is going to put huge pressure on the pound . And that will feed into inflation.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333
    Michael Ellis as Attorney General means there will be a Sunak supporter in Truss' Cabinet after all but he will be the only one
  • guybrushguybrush Posts: 258
    edited September 2022
    Looking forward to a sharp pivot to the orange book from "Lib Dem Sleeper Agent" Truss
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    HYUFD said:
    Hartlepool would be interesting!
  • kle4 said:

    Yes.

    It is a rather remarkable bit of refreshing, but having pulled that trick once they may find it harder to sell it this time.
    And it's a helluva refresh. Looking down that list, how many of the names here were major players in the 2019 campaign?

    Truss was at Trade, Coffey was Work+Pensions, Jack was Scotland, Cleverly was party chair. I think that's it in terms of full Cabinet minsiters.

    Them's the rules, but there does seem to be a bit of a unlocked backdoor in the system here.
  • HYUFD said:
    Bedford is north of Uxbridge I believe?
  • HYUFD said:

    Michael Ellis as Attorney General means there will be a Sunak supporter in Truss' Cabinet after all but he will be the only one

    Shout out to Chesney Hawkes.

    How many Mordaunt supporters?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824
    This promise on doctors and dentists looks a hostage to fortune.
    How do you magick them up?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333
    edited September 2022

    Shout out to Chesney Hawkes.

    How many Mordaunt supporters?
    None other than Mordaunt herself and Michelle Dornelan I can see, all the others were declared Truss supporters at some stage
  • I am saved. Alistair Jack is older than me.

    My lost youth is returned.

    And tomorrow I get to wind up some BEIS civil servants about their new boss. I wonder how many will WFH?
  • vinovino Posts: 173
    IshmaelZ said:

    Well she needs to learn how to count. There's a dozen 2019 and previous Tories here who have said they wouldn't vote for Boris again, vs Boris fans you and HYUFD. HYUFD is sui generis and you seem confused if you think Boris was far right, so she'd do better trying to win the dozen back.
    This forum is not representative of tory voters - how many Labour supporters on here voted leave?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,153
    edited September 2022

    @trussliz
    I spoke to President @ZelenskyyUa this evening and reiterated our steadfast support for Ukraine’s freedom and democracy.

    Russia's attempts to weaponise energy must not deter the West.

    Ukraine can depend on the UK for support in the long term. 🇬🇧🇺🇦


    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1567268354209058828

    But what does @liztruss think?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/06/british-mps-and-a-prime-minister-congratulate-the-wrong-liz-truss-on-twitter
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    She briefly became famous amongst political obsessives when she had a total dire interview on Newsnight. She was shunted out of the limelight for several years.

    Seems intelligent and competent to me from a distance. Quite pleased she has taken DWP and not bloody IDS yet again.
    Shes been quietly working as a junior minister right through the May to Boz to Liz transition and had a brief fight with breast cancer a couple years ago which is now in remission after chemo
  • dixiedean said:

    This promise on doctors and dentists looks a hostage to fortune.
    How do you magick them up?

    Tories have deliberately held down training doctor places iirc.
  • OT. Plans have been submitted to Lincs County Council to put three solar farms in North Lincolnshire covering 10,000 acres of farmland. It does seem a hell of a lot of farmland to take out of production.
  • I believe mutated is the term.
    The Government of Theseus.
  • vino said:

    This forum is not representative of tory voters - how many Labour supporters on here voted leave?
    This forum is definitely not representative of Tory voters, but for the Tories to win they need much, much more than just die-hard Tory loyalists.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,031
    HYUFD said:

    Michael Ellis as Attorney General means there will be a Sunak supporter in Truss' Cabinet after all but he will be the only one

    The only Cabinet survivor from Cameron's 2016 Cabinet is....one Liz Truss.

    Just 6 years, and all those careers ended.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    Does she have some sort of reputation? I confess I'd never heard of her, whereas everyone else the names at least sounded familiar.
    George Osborne sent her out to do interviews when he was frit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,067
    edited September 2022

    At a glance, and I can't be bothered to do the analysis, it does look as if virtually all the Cabinet are southern MPs. Simon Clarke and Jake Berry aren't, and there may be others - but even if so, midlands/northern representation looks a bit weak.
    Scotland - 1
    Wales - 0
    London - 0
    Northern Ireland - 0
    East Midlands - 1
    West Midlands - 1
    North East - 2
    North West - 2
    South West - 3
    South East - 6
    East - 6

    Attending Cabinet

    London - 1
    W. Midlands - 2
    E. Midlands - 1
    East - 1
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    If Parliament passes the laws and budgets the Government proposes then it is absolutely democracy as it has run for the last couple of centuries. I may not like Truss (I really don't) but that is the system.

    Actually I do think we should return to an earlier Parliamentary system that existed prior to 1926 when an MP who was not already a minister had to stand for re-election if appointed to Government outside of the immediate aftermath of a GE. .
    It's within the rules, yes, but that doesn't mean it can't feel lacking in democratic terms. Us in the EU was in the rules too, but still there was much talk of a "democratic deficit" wasn't there?

    Or a different example. Starmer wins in 24 on a moderate ticket then implements Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. Within the rules. Not outside the system. But democratic? Hmm.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited September 2022

    OT. Plans have been submitted to Lincs County Council to put three solar farms in North Lincolnshire covering 10,000 acres of farmland. It does seem a hell of a lot of farmland to take out of production.

    Farmland being screwed with is a growing problem worldwide. See Netherlands etc, or Gates buying it all up in the States. Or the Sri Lanka disaster
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,927
    Puritans getting exercised by the fact the new health secretary likes to smoke cigars and drink champagne.

  • Sebastian Payne
    @SebastianEPayne
    ·
    10s
    .
    @TomTugendhat
    enters government for the first time as security minister at the Home Office. He will also attend cabinet.

    Apart from JRM I am pleased with her cabinet and it must be the most diverse ever to be appointed
  • I'm calling it now:

    #Chloe4Leader

    After Truss loses in 2024.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    dixiedean said:

    This promise on doctors and dentists looks a hostage to fortune.
    How do you magick them up?

    Hide em in the 40 new hospitals and say they are too busy to be shown to us
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,927

    No job for Redwood so far?

    Has economic secretary to the treasury been announced yet? He might get that job.
  • kinabalu said:

    It's within the rules, yes, but that doesn't mean it can't feel lacking in democratic terms. Us in the EU was in the rules too, but still there was much talk of a "democratic deficit" wasn't there?

    Or a different example. Starmer wins in 24 on a moderate ticket then implements Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. Within the rules. Not outside the system. But democratic? Hmm.
    Well yes absolutely. As long as he has the support of the MPs. They are the people we elect top represent us.

    Personally I would like to see a lot more use of referendums as they do in Switzerland but I know that idea is not popular on here.
  • kle4 said:

    Scotland - 1
    Wales - 0
    London - 0
    Northern Ireland - 0
    East Midlands - 1
    West Midlands - 1
    North East - 2
    North West - 2
    South West - 3
    South East - 6
    East - 6

    Attending Cabinet

    London - 1
    W. Midlands - 2
    E. Midlands - 1
    East - 1
    Thanks.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    I'm calling it now:

    #Chloe4Leader

    After Truss loses in 2024.

    Norwich North is gone gone gone. No chance
  • kinabalu said:

    It's within the rules, yes, but that doesn't mean it can't feel lacking in democratic terms. Us in the EU was in the rules too, but still there was much talk of a "democratic deficit" wasn't there?

    Or a different example. Starmer wins in 24 on a moderate ticket then implements Corbyn's 2019 manifesto. Within the rules. Not outside the system. But democratic? Hmm.
    If you don't want a Corbynite government, don't vote Labour.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    Foxy said:

    Some years ago I was put up to speak for a department that was failing very badly, when the CQC called. Obviously management were a bit worried, so I was well briefed, and had a file full of stuff to explain our excuses and mitigations. They knew I would be honest, and wanted me to be honest as we already were fixing stuff.

    The 2 inspectors were a junior nurse and a junior doctor and hadn't spotted any of the issues, instead asked me about a lot of irrelevant trivia about protocols for this and that. I answered to their satisfaction and they went away without noticing the dead suppurating elephant in the room and wrote a positive write up

    I haven't had much faith in them since.
    My brother is senior NHS management and he says similar. Aggressively fixating on small points and lacking empathy and technical understanding.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333


    Sebastian Payne
    @SebastianEPayne
    ·
    10s
    .
    @TomTugendhat
    enters government for the first time as security minister at the Home Office. He will also attend cabinet.

    Hope he has been watching the Capture
  • No Tugendhat.

    Interesting.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,153
    Andy_JS said:

    Puritans getting exercised by the fact the new health secretary likes to smoke cigars and drink champagne.

    Wouldn't be the first time:


  • vinovino Posts: 173

    This forum is definitely not representative of Tory voters, but for the Tories to win they need much, much more than just die-hard Tory loyalists.
    exactly - former Labour voters like myself who voted for Boris you need to keep - it's the how bit that's the Tory's problem
  • vino said:

    This forum is not representative of tory voters - how many Labour supporters on here voted leave?
    Me and BJO. If you still class him as a Labour supporter.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333

    No Tugendhat.

    Interesting.

    He is Security Minister
  • No Tugendhat.

    Interesting.

    Security Minister with a seat at cabinet. Just announced.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited September 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Has economic secretary to the treasury been announced yet? He might get that job.
    Yeah thats what he was tipped for. Its a 'tomorrow, junior ministers' appointment
    Edit - although shes cracking on tonight it seems!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,067
    edited September 2022
    Last time, as I'm going to bed, with regions added. Errors blamed on wikipedia.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    If you don't want a Corbynite government, don't vote Labour.
    I'm trying to have an intelligent non-partisan discussion here.
  • vinovino Posts: 173

    Me and BJO. If you still class him as a Labour supporter.
    I in 3 Labour voters voted Leave
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824

    If you don't want a Corbynite government, don't vote Labour.
    A lesson for the Tory 2019 vote to ponder perhaps.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333
  • kinabalu said:

    I'm trying to have an intelligent non-partisan discussion here.
    It is an intelligent non-partisan discussion.

    If Labour get a majority they get to choose how to govern, that's democracy. If Labour get a majority and turn Corbynite, then them's the breaks.
  • Security Minister with a seat at cabinet. Just announced.
    Uh ok. As briefed.
    Does that live in Defence, Home or Foreign?
  • Uh ok. As briefed.
    Does that live in Defence, Home or Foreign?
    Don't know. They keep moving these things around. I think it sits in Home Office.
  • dixiedean said:

    A lesson for the Tory 2019 vote to ponder perhaps.
    Absolutely, it cuts both ways. You can vote Cameron and get ultimately Boris, you can vote Blair and get Brown.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,457
    Cyclefree said:

    Thanks.
    Sorry.

    It is a true story. Our SMT had changed and so the problems were already being tackled, though there was a promotion for the person with management responsibility for the car crash department.

    A CQC team needs experienced clinicians to do a decent job, not teenage scribblers building careers as inspectors, with no clinical experience themselves.

    I think that is the gist of the current CQC whistleblowing scandal.

    BBC News - NHS whistleblower Shyam Kumar wins case against regulator
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62764409
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,690
    JRM as business secretary. Is she having a laugh at the nation's expense or something?
  • If you don't want a Corbynite government, don't vote Labour.
    Energy price cap. Bus fare cap. We've got a Corbynite government!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    edited September 2022

    Well yes absolutely. As long as he has the support of the MPs. They are the people we elect top represent us.

    Personally I would like to see a lot more use of referendums as they do in Switzerland but I know that idea is not popular on here.
    Oh god no, not that "direct democracy" thing. Prefer this way to that. Maybe take a dash of your "more independents" idea and inject some of that into it.
  • kle4 said:

    Last time, as I'm going to bed, with regions added. Errors blamed on wikipedia.

    Simon Clarke was in Cabinet as Chief Treasury
  • vino said:

    I in 3 Labour voters voted Leave
    But a much smaller proportion of party members. I would often be a lone voice in branch meetings.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited September 2022
    HYUFD said:
    Heappey already was Armed Forces minister, have they added Veterans to it?
  • MaxPB said:

    JRM as business secretary. Is she having a laugh at the nation's expense or something?

    Beyond me.

    No idea what she is thinking.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824

    Absolutely, it cuts both ways. You can vote Cameron and get ultimately Boris, you can vote Blair and get Brown.
    I meant vote Boris get the IEA.
    The equivalent is vote Blair get Corbyn.
  • Don't know. They keep moving these things around. I think it sits in Home Office.
    Home apparently.
    So Tugendhat reports into Braverman!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    Apart from JRM I am pleased with her cabinet and it must be the most diverse ever to be appointed
    It's not diverse they're almost all loons!
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    vino said:

    exactly - former Labour voters like myself who voted for Boris you need to keep - it's the how bit that's the Tory's problem
    Sort of. See 2015. Kill off the LibDem challenge in the south and on the new boundaries they don’t need much Red Wall for a working majority.

  • dixiedean said:

    I meant vote Boris get the IEA.
    The equivalent is vote Blair get Corbyn.
    That's Parliamentary democracy. We don't elect a President.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,694

    Home apparently.
    So Tugendhat reports into Braverman!
    That will be a political marriage made in hell lol
  • dixiedean said:

    I meant vote Boris get the IEA.
    The equivalent is vote Blair get Corbyn.
    Boris was not IEA, of course.
    But they were a core part of his coalition.

    This is an IEA coup.
    Redwallers and Osbornites crushed under heel.
  • Norwich North is gone gone gone. No chance
    Not even on BF's list
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    Andy_JS said:

    Has economic secretary to the treasury been announced yet? He might get that job.
    That was the rumour, but it was also rumoured to be an “attends Cabinet”.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,457
    There is a theory amongst Leicester City fans that Brendan Rodgers is deliberately sabotaging the club by bizarre team selection, inept substitutions, freezing out the competent, and slagging off the team, owners and fans.

    I can't help but wonder if Truss is doing the same.

    Rodgers gets a massive payoff if sacked, but what is in it for Truss? To destroy big government and the welfare state irrevocably?
  • MaxPB said:

    JRM as business secretary. Is she having a laugh at the nation's expense or something?

    If we're lucky, yes.

    If we're unlucky, this is all for real.

    Is there any evidence that Truss does jokes? Remember that she's fundamentally a maths student, and maths jokes don't get better than

    Why is six afraid of seven?
    Because seven eight nine.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333

    Heappey already was Armed Forces minister, have they added Veterans to it?
    Yes

    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1567273838488035330?s=20&t=Muok5AShYxQiyFioGCIpIQ
  • vinovino Posts: 173

    But a much smaller proportion of party members. I would often be a lone voice in branch meetings.
    Yes - explains a lot
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,067
    edited September 2022

    Uh ok. As briefed.
    Does that live in Defence, Home or Foreign?
    Home, it appears.

    Simon Clarke was in Cabinet as Chief Treasury
    The page on that seems a little iffy - sometimes the Chief Secretary is a full Cabinet Member, sometimes they simply 'attend Cabinet' - the page on the Johnson ministry and ministerial rankings had Clarke not as a full Cabinet Minister.

    Technically on same basis I should put Braverman as 2022, since AG also doesn't count on that basis.

    Edit

    The internet wayback machine concurs from the official government page

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333
    edited September 2022

    That's Parliamentary democracy. We don't elect a President.
    Though even a President can be replaced by a VP who is ideologically not the same if they resign or die in office, even if they are in the same party
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    Foxy said:

    There is a theory amongst Leicester City fans that Brendan Rodgers is deliberately sabotaging the club by bizarre team selection, inept substitutions, freezing out the competent, and slagging off the team, owners and fans.

    I can't help but wonder if Truss is doing the same.

    Rodgers gets a massive payoff if sacked, but what is in it for Truss? To destroy big government and the welfare state irrevocably?

    Nah, to destroy the Tory Party before she gets that far. Finally she does her LibDem masters’ bidding and can return home, mission complete, to tea and medals.
  • If we're lucky, yes.

    If we're unlucky, this is all for real.

    Is there any evidence that Truss does jokes? Remember that she's fundamentally a maths student, and maths jokes don't get better than

    Why is six afraid of seven?
    Because seven eight nine.
    That's my eight year old's favourite joke.

    My six year old doesn't 100% get it and repeats the joke saying "ten eleven twelve" in response.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,067
    Come on parliament site, half done job


    https://members.parliament.uk/Government/Cabinet
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333
    edited September 2022
    Foxy said:

    There is a theory amongst Leicester City fans that Brendan Rodgers is deliberately sabotaging the club by bizarre team selection, inept substitutions, freezing out the competent, and slagging off the team, owners and fans.

    I can't help but wonder if Truss is doing the same.

    Rodgers gets a massive payoff if sacked, but what is in it for Truss? To destroy big government and the welfare state irrevocably?

    If she loses the next general election and badly we could have years of big government from Labour. She is moving to a small state government which is not really what Boris got elected to do which was mainly to get Brexit done, level up and beat Corbyn.

  • vinovino Posts: 173
    biggles said:

    Sort of. See 2015. Kill off the LibDem challenge in the south and on the new boundaries they don’t need much Red Wall for a working majority.

    mmmm - hadn't thought of that - my vote and others similar to my view might not be as important as I think they will be
  • Lol at Big G welcoming these appointments.
    He must be the owner of some fine bridges.

    If I have to be generous, I’d say that downright comedy appointments are restricted to Rees-Mogg, Braverman and Cleverly.

    Mordaunt’s political talents are wasted, so too by the looks of it are Kemi’s.

    It will be interesting to see how Kwasi and Coffey perform. Kwasi was a dud in BEIS, but perhaps he was stifled trying to make sense of Johnson-ism. Coffey seemed quietly competent in Work and Pensions. Health is a much bigger challenge.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,457
    edited September 2022
    dixiedean said:

    This promise on doctors and dentists looks a hostage to fortune.
    How do you magick them up?

    I expect an exodus. Every week I hear another colleague giving notice.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824

    That's Parliamentary democracy. We don't elect a President.
    Indeed.
    But I don't think this is the administration the country wanted.
    You may differ.
    It's 1993 again.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,824
    Foxy said:

    There is a theory amongst Leicester City fans that Brendan Rodgers is deliberately sabotaging the club by bizarre team selection, inept substitutions, freezing out the competent, and slagging off the team, owners and fans.

    I can't help but wonder if Truss is doing the same.

    Rodgers gets a massive payoff if sacked, but what is in it for Truss? To destroy big government and the welfare state irrevocably?

    She gets the Leicester City job?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,031

    But a much smaller proportion of party members. I would often be a lone voice in branch meetings.
    But what a smug voice!
  • dixiedean said:

    Indeed.
    But I don't think this is the administration the country wanted.
    You may differ.
    It's 1993 again.
    No, it’s 1995.
    But Redwood won.
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