Truss has managed to avoid a set piece interview throughout whole campaign – politicalbetting.com

bondegezou said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Good morning

I understand a conservative spokesperson has admitted this morning that the campaign for the leadership has gone on too long and the rules need to be reviewed

You don't say

The damage Brady and the 1922 have done to the party is unforgiveable and may well be seen in the next GE

As far as Truss is concerned I have no problem with her cancelling a BBC interview if she announces a comprehensive support package for the public and businesses which seem to be at breaking point

However, I hope that celebrities, footballers and company bosses etc are expected to pay their own way

Maybe it’s not the length of the Conservative leadership campaign that is the problem, but the quality of the candidates?

MaxPB said:

Things not looking good for Truss or the Tories. Lots of reliably Tory voters I know are done with the party because of the indulgent leadership process. Every single one of them thinks it should have been over weeks ago with either the party calling an end or Rishi bowing out as unlikely to win or both candidates agreeing to bring the date forwards.

Most new leaders get a few months where the public are open to their ideas, I don't think Liz Truss will get that. The manner in which both candidates have refused to put the country ahead of their own ambition has poisoned their well. Rishi, specifically, deserves a lot of ire for not being responsible and calling time on the race three weeks ago when it became clear he couldn't win.

The candidates have been trying to win a few thousand votes while the nation is sitting on a burning platform of drought, high energy prices and runaway inflation. They deserve to lose in 2024, and it's highly likely they will.

Nigelb said:

Predictable, but sector bosses have apparently been trying to get some response from government for nearly six months.

Thousands of UK pubs ‘face closure’ without energy bills support
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/30/thousands-of-uk-pubs-face-closure-without-energy-bills-support

Pubs will be far from the only small businesses facing closure this winter.

DavidL said:

MaxPB said:

Things not looking good for Truss or the Tories. Lots of reliably Tory voters I know are done with the party because of the indulgent leadership process. Every single one of them thinks it should have been over weeks ago with either the party calling an end or Rishi bowing out as unlikely to win or both candidates agreeing to bring the date forwards.

Most new leaders get a few months where the public are open to their ideas, I don't think Liz Truss will get that. The manner in which both candidates have refused to put the country ahead of their own ambition has poisoned their well. Rishi, specifically, deserves a lot of ire for not being responsible and calling time on the race three weeks ago when it became clear he couldn't win.

The candidates have been trying to win a few thousand votes while the nation is sitting on a burning platform of drought, high energy prices and runaway inflation. They deserve to lose in 2024, and it's highly likely they will.

I agree that Rishi should have given up at least 3 weeks ago but the party probably feared another coronation like May's which did her no favours. The last 3 weeks have not been a good time to not have a functioning government.

DavidL said:

MaxPB said:

Things not looking good for Truss or the Tories. Lots of reliably Tory voters I know are done with the party because of the indulgent leadership process. Every single one of them thinks it should have been over weeks ago with either the party calling an end or Rishi bowing out as unlikely to win or both candidates agreeing to bring the date forwards.

Most new leaders get a few months where the public are open to their ideas, I don't think Liz Truss will get that. The manner in which both candidates have refused to put the country ahead of their own ambition has poisoned their well. Rishi, specifically, deserves a lot of ire for not being responsible and calling time on the race three weeks ago when it became clear he couldn't win.

The candidates have been trying to win a few thousand votes while the nation is sitting on a burning platform of drought, high energy prices and runaway inflation. They deserve to lose in 2024, and it's highly likely they will.

I agree that Rishi should have given up at least 3 weeks ago but the party probably feared another coronation like May's which did her no favours. The last 3 weeks have not been a good time to not have a functioning government.

Pulpstar said:

DavidL said:

MaxPB said:

Things not looking good for Truss or the Tories. Lots of reliably Tory voters I know are done with the party because of the indulgent leadership process. Every single one of them thinks it should have been over weeks ago with either the party calling an end or Rishi bowing out as unlikely to win or both candidates agreeing to bring the date forwards.

Most new leaders get a few months where the public are open to their ideas, I don't think Liz Truss will get that. The manner in which both candidates have refused to put the country ahead of their own ambition has poisoned their well. Rishi, specifically, deserves a lot of ire for not being responsible and calling time on the race three weeks ago when it became clear he couldn't win.

The candidates have been trying to win a few thousand votes while the nation is sitting on a burning platform of drought, high energy prices and runaway inflation. They deserve to lose in 2024, and it's highly likely they will.

I agree that Rishi should have given up at least 3 weeks ago but the party probably feared another coronation like May's which did her no favours. The last 3 weeks have not been a good time to not have a functioning government.

"Fighting" and "last war" spring to mind.

Nigelb said:

JosiasJessop said:

Yet it looks very likely she will be PM *despite* it. Her aim is to become PM. That is what she is concentrating on.

And if she can do it without undergoing a set-piece interview, why do one? Even for a good media performer, the downsides might be greater than the upsides.

That should change when she's PM. But for the moment it appears to have worked for her.

(And I'd also add most media interviewers are hopeless; more concerned with generating headlines and gotchas than getting genuine insights into politicians or policies.)

She's spent weeks talking to the party, and can't spend an hour talking to the country.

That. Is. Pathetic.

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Nigelb said:

Predictable, but sector bosses have apparently been trying to get some response from government for nearly six months.

Thousands of UK pubs ‘face closure’ without energy bills support
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/30/thousands-of-uk-pubs-face-closure-without-energy-bills-support

Pubs will be far from the only small businesses facing closure this winter.

Following the pandemic reaction we are in a world where people expect support, and a lot of it, whenever there is an exogenous shock.

No idea if that is a good thing or a bad thing but it is where we are.

The interesting thing of course is that the candidate who provided such support in previous circumstances is a 1/20 shot to win the contest.

Well it started with the banks tbh. & the candidate that provided previous support is not the 1/20 shot.

DavidL said:

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

MaxPB said:

Things not looking good for Truss or the Tories. Lots of reliably Tory voters I know are done with the party because of the indulgent leadership process. Every single one of them thinks it should have been over weeks ago with either the party calling an end or Rishi bowing out as unlikely to win or both candidates agreeing to bring the date forwards.

Most new leaders get a few months where the public are open to their ideas, I don't think Liz Truss will get that. The manner in which both candidates have refused to put the country ahead of their own ambition has poisoned their well. Rishi, specifically, deserves a lot of ire for not being responsible and calling time on the race three weeks ago when it became clear he couldn't win.

The candidates have been trying to win a few thousand votes while the nation is sitting on a burning platform of drought, high energy prices and runaway inflation. They deserve to lose in 2024, and it's highly likely they will.

I agree that Rishi should have given up at least 3 weeks ago but the party probably feared another coronation like May's which did her no favours. The last 3 weeks have not been a good time to not have a functioning government.

You are not getting it, David.

Didn't Boris beg to hang on as Prime Minister precisely so there would be someone's hand on the tiller during these choppy times.

I thought it was so he could have his wedding party at Chequers, be in office a few more days than someone else and collect his medal from Ukraine. Silly me.

Nigelb said:

JosiasJessop said:

Yet it looks very likely she will be PM *despite* it. Her aim is to become PM. That is what she is concentrating on.

And if she can do it without undergoing a set-piece interview, why do one? Even for a good media performer, the downsides might be greater than the upsides.

That should change when she's PM. But for the moment it appears to have worked for her.

(And I'd also add most media interviewers are hopeless; more concerned with generating headlines and gotchas than getting genuine insights into politicians or policies.)

She's spent weeks talking to the party, and can't spend an hour talking to the country.

That. Is. Pathetic.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Pulpstar said:

DavidL said:

MaxPB said:

Things not looking good for Truss or the Tories. Lots of reliably Tory voters I know are done with the party because of the indulgent leadership process. Every single one of them thinks it should have been over weeks ago with either the party calling an end or Rishi bowing out as unlikely to win or both candidates agreeing to bring the date forwards.

Most new leaders get a few months where the public are open to their ideas, I don't think Liz Truss will get that. The manner in which both candidates have refused to put the country ahead of their own ambition has poisoned their well. Rishi, specifically, deserves a lot of ire for not being responsible and calling time on the race three weeks ago when it became clear he couldn't win.

The candidates have been trying to win a few thousand votes while the nation is sitting on a burning platform of drought, high energy prices and runaway inflation. They deserve to lose in 2024, and it's highly likely they will.

I agree that Rishi should have given up at least 3 weeks ago but the party probably feared another coronation like May's which did her no favours. The last 3 weeks have not been a good time to not have a functioning government.

"Fighting" and "last war" spring to mind.

So the party feared another coronation would not give the incoming Prime Minister experience of debate, answering questions and being interviewed. Clearly not a theory shared by Liz Truss.

edmundintokyo said:

Nigelb said:

JosiasJessop said:

Yet it looks very likely she will be PM *despite* it. Her aim is to become PM. That is what she is concentrating on.

And if she can do it without undergoing a set-piece interview, why do one? Even for a good media performer, the downsides might be greater than the upsides.

That should change when she's PM. But for the moment it appears to have worked for her.

(And I'd also add most media interviewers are hopeless; more concerned with generating headlines and gotchas than getting genuine insights into politicians or policies.)

She's spent weeks talking to the party, and can't spend an hour talking to the country.

That. Is. Pathetic.

The practical problem is that the party isn't representative of the country, and it's hard to appeal to the one without losing the other. Once she wins the leadership the party won't matter much any more, but until then, wherever there's a STFU option, it's wise to take it.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

edmundintokyo said:

Nigelb said:

JosiasJessop said:

Yet it looks very likely she will be PM *despite* it. Her aim is to become PM. That is what she is concentrating on.

And if she can do it without undergoing a set-piece interview, why do one? Even for a good media performer, the downsides might be greater than the upsides.

That should change when she's PM. But for the moment it appears to have worked for her.

(And I'd also add most media interviewers are hopeless; more concerned with generating headlines and gotchas than getting genuine insights into politicians or policies.)

She's spent weeks talking to the party, and can't spend an hour talking to the country.

That. Is. Pathetic.

The practical problem is that the party isn't representative of the country, and it's hard to appeal to the one without losing the other. Once she wins the leadership the party won't matter much any more, but until then, wherever there's a STFU option, it's wise to take it.

Even if we accept Liz Truss is not frit but Machiavellian in her pursuit of power, why not immediately defuse the story by telling Nick Robinson he can have first interview after 6th September when it is too late (and too early) to change any votes?

TOPPING said:

DavidL said:

MaxPB said:

Things not looking good for Truss or the Tories. Lots of reliably Tory voters I know are done with the party because of the indulgent leadership process. Every single one of them thinks it should have been over weeks ago with either the party calling an end or Rishi bowing out as unlikely to win or both candidates agreeing to bring the date forwards.

Most new leaders get a few months where the public are open to their ideas, I don't think Liz Truss will get that. The manner in which both candidates have refused to put the country ahead of their own ambition has poisoned their well. Rishi, specifically, deserves a lot of ire for not being responsible and calling time on the race three weeks ago when it became clear he couldn't win.

The candidates have been trying to win a few thousand votes while the nation is sitting on a burning platform of drought, high energy prices and runaway inflation. They deserve to lose in 2024, and it's highly likely they will.

I agree that Rishi should have given up at least 3 weeks ago but the party probably feared another coronation like May's which did her no favours. The last 3 weeks have not been a good time to not have a functioning government.

You are not getting it, David.

Didn't Boris beg to hang on as Prime Minister precisely so there would be someone's hand on the tiller during these choppy times.

DavidL said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Pulpstar said:

DavidL said:

MaxPB said:

Things not looking good for Truss or the Tories. Lots of reliably Tory voters I know are done with the party because of the indulgent leadership process. Every single one of them thinks it should have been over weeks ago with either the party calling an end or Rishi bowing out as unlikely to win or both candidates agreeing to bring the date forwards.

Most new leaders get a few months where the public are open to their ideas, I don't think Liz Truss will get that. The manner in which both candidates have refused to put the country ahead of their own ambition has poisoned their well. Rishi, specifically, deserves a lot of ire for not being responsible and calling time on the race three weeks ago when it became clear he couldn't win.

The candidates have been trying to win a few thousand votes while the nation is sitting on a burning platform of drought, high energy prices and runaway inflation. They deserve to lose in 2024, and it's highly likely they will.

I agree that Rishi should have given up at least 3 weeks ago but the party probably feared another coronation like May's which did her no favours. The last 3 weeks have not been a good time to not have a functioning government.

"Fighting" and "last war" spring to mind.

So the party feared another coronation would not give the incoming Prime Minister experience of debate, answering questions and being interviewed. Clearly not a theory shared by Liz Truss.

She has been debating with Rishi and she has got better at it as a result, if from a very low base. She has changed her position on a variety of matters as a result too which has prevented missteps once she is in office. I suspect the problem is that if she gives a major interview now she will be asked a lot of questions about the energy crisis to which she does not yet have answers.

Chris said:

DavidL said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Pulpstar said:

DavidL said:

MaxPB said:

Things not looking good for Truss or the Tories. Lots of reliably Tory voters I know are done with the party because of the indulgent leadership process. Every single one of them thinks it should have been over weeks ago with either the party calling an end or Rishi bowing out as unlikely to win or both candidates agreeing to bring the date forwards.

Most new leaders get a few months where the public are open to their ideas, I don't think Liz Truss will get that. The manner in which both candidates have refused to put the country ahead of their own ambition has poisoned their well. Rishi, specifically, deserves a lot of ire for not being responsible and calling time on the race three weeks ago when it became clear he couldn't win.

The candidates have been trying to win a few thousand votes while the nation is sitting on a burning platform of drought, high energy prices and runaway inflation. They deserve to lose in 2024, and it's highly likely they will.

I agree that Rishi should have given up at least 3 weeks ago but the party probably feared another coronation like May's which did her no favours. The last 3 weeks have not been a good time to not have a functioning government.

"Fighting" and "last war" spring to mind.

So the party feared another coronation would not give the incoming Prime Minister experience of debate, answering questions and being interviewed. Clearly not a theory shared by Liz Truss.

She has been debating with Rishi and she has got better at it as a result, if from a very low base. She has changed her position on a variety of matters as a result too which has prevented missteps once she is in office. I suspect the problem is that if she gives a major interview now she will be asked a lot of questions about the energy crisis to which she does not yet have answers.

And will that problem - that if she gives an interview she will be asked a lot of questions - somehow go away in the future?

Cookie said:

CarlottaVance said:

Rob Ford brings facts to a prejudice party - fascinating trio of threads sparked by the “Never kissed a Tory” t- shirt:

In the second volume of @sexliesballots I had a look at voters' attitudes to marriage across party lines. 2010 Labour voters were much more likely to be upset at the idea of a close relative marrying a Conservative than 2010 Tories were of a potential Labour in-law.

https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1564202925068623874

Same phenomenon noted among Remain vs Leave voters.

I would suggest that this is a result of the dominant media culrure being Labour/Remain.
Remainers in deep Remainia might literally never knowingly encounter a Leaver or a Tory first hand. Potentially, their only exposure to them is via their chosen media, which will generally paint Leavers in a negative light.
Whereas Leavers in deep Leavistan - even if they personally do not know any Remainers (or Labour voters) will, if they watch any telly at all, be exposed to Remainy/Labour/Centrist Dad views on Remain's own terms. They may not agree with them, but Remain/Labour types will not be the distant and scary stereotypes that Leave/Tory types will be for those in deep Remainia.

Cicero said:

The massacre of small business is one thing that is coming across very clearly, and will be a significant part of the economic rout that the UK is going to be facing over the course of the next few quarters. Truss has maybe only weeks to establish a clear and stable policy direction (spoiler alert: none of her currently declared economic policies will work).

Cicero said:

The massacre of small business is one thing that is coming across very clearly, and will be a significant part of the economic rout that the UK is going to be facing over the course of the next few quarters. Truss has maybe only weeks to establish a clear and stable policy direction (spoiler alert: none of her currently declared economic policies will work). The choices she makes next week for her cabinet will determine the tone, direction and success of her administration. If Redwood and Duncan Smith (and Rees Mogg) really have been raised from the crypt in order to play major roles, then by Halloween the Truss government will already be in a death spiral.

There is also the question of "events", and as this site knows, there is a major scandal already out there. So, I guess I need to order more popcorn (Microwave, obviously, the energy costs of using the stove versus the microwave are too large),

Truss needs to face up to reality, and hiding from the media will just infuriate them.

edmundintokyo said:

She's been leading for the whole campaign so why take the risk?

StuartDickson said:

Latest Swedish poll:

Minority government:
Social Democrats 30% (+2)

Confidence & supply parties:
Left 9% (+1)
Centre 7% (-2)
Greens 4% (nc)

Government total: 51%

Rightwing opposition bloc:
Sweden Democrats 21% (+3)
Moderates 16% (-4)
Christian Democrats 6% (nc)
Liberals 5% (-1)

Opposition total: 48%

(Novus; 26-27 August; +/- change from last GE 2018)

Polling day is 11 September, but voting started last week. Not just postal voting, but physical voting in polling stations, usually libraries.

Threshold is 4%.

algarkirk said:

This is right. Her critics about this tactical thing overlap with her critics generally. I don't want her to win, like all normal people. But even if you support Arsenal you can understand why Spurs defend their 1-0 lead in the last four minutes by going for the corner, putting 11 men in defence and taking no risks in the penalty area.

At this moment Mrs T is accountable to a tiny group of strange people, the Tory membership. Not the BBC, not PBers and not me.

Soon she will be accountable to parliament and the voters. Again, not the BBC.

BTW There is no such thing as a political interview anyone would actually watch where the interviewer wants the politician to do well.

StuartDickson said:

Sweden’s principal centre-right party, the Moderates (remember Fredrik Reinfeldt and Carl Bildt?) is about to get absolutely spanked at the GE on 11 September.

The current leader Ulf Kristersson has made a dreadful error of judgment by cosying up to the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats. Voters had been drifting away from the Moderates, but now it’s a flood.

Today it is clear: the Sweden Democrats have overtaken the once mighty Moderates to be the largest opposition party:

SD 20.6% (+3.1)
M 15.8% (-4.0)

Echos of the Tory hard-right completely routing the wet/one-nation wing.

TOPPING said:

fpt

bondegezou said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Good morning

I understand a conservative spokesperson has admitted this morning that the campaign for the leadership has gone on too long and the rules need to be reviewed

You don't say

The damage Brady and the 1922 have done to the party is unforgiveable and may well be seen in the next GE

As far as Truss is concerned I have no problem with her cancelling a BBC interview if she announces a comprehensive support package for the public and businesses which seem to be at breaking point

However, I hope that celebrities, footballers and company bosses etc are expected to pay their own way

Maybe it’s not the length of the Conservative leadership campaign that is the problem, but the quality of the candidates?

It's a good selection of candidates. One seemingly mad previous party leader clone who will say anything to gain favour with the (160k-strong) electorate; and one grey, professorial type who is apparently telling it like it is and as a result is 1/20 with the bookies to win.

While the Conservative Party membership is a small, select band it is by no means untypical of a large proportion of the electorate as a whole, both Cons and Lab, who want to hear a certain message delivered in a certain way and don't want to hear the obverse.

Which means that actually the problem is not with of the candidates, but with the electorate.

Cookie said:

CarlottaVance said:

Rob Ford brings facts to a prejudice party - fascinating trio of threads sparked by the “Never kissed a Tory” t- shirt:

In the second volume of @sexliesballots I had a look at voters' attitudes to marriage across party lines. 2010 Labour voters were much more likely to be upset at the idea of a close relative marrying a Conservative than 2010 Tories were of a potential Labour in-law.

https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1564202925068623874

Same phenomenon noted among Remain vs Leave voters.

I would suggest that this is a result of the dominant media culrure being Labour/Remain.
Remainers in deep Remainia might literally never knowingly encounter a Leaver or a Tory first hand. Potentially, their only exposure to them is via their chosen media, which will generally paint Leavers in a negative light.
Whereas Leavers in deep Leavistan - even if they personally do not know any Remainers (or Labour voters) will, if they watch any telly at all, be exposed to Remainy/Labour/Centrist Dad views on Remain's own terms. They may not agree with them, but Remain/Labour types will not be the distant and scary stereotypes that Leave/Tory types will be for those in deep Remainia.

Fishing said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Scott_xP said:

Cicero said:

The massacre of small business is one thing that is coming across very clearly, and will be a significant part of the economic rout that the UK is going to be facing over the course of the next few quarters. Truss has maybe only weeks to establish a clear and stable policy direction (spoiler alert: none of her currently declared economic policies will work).

This guy doesn't agree with you...



yep it’s the same guy https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1564367715053326337/photo/1



@PickardJE If I had predicted that the poll tax would be popular with the electorate I would simply stop predicting things https://twitter.com/hannahrosewoods/status/1564373676216164355/photo/1

Minford is renowned in the economics profession only for being wrong about everything.

No he isn't.

He was right about the ERM for instance.

Unlike most in the economics profession.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Fishing said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Scott_xP said:

Cicero said:

The massacre of small business is one thing that is coming across very clearly, and will be a significant part of the economic rout that the UK is going to be facing over the course of the next few quarters. Truss has maybe only weeks to establish a clear and stable policy direction (spoiler alert: none of her currently declared economic policies will work).

This guy doesn't agree with you...



yep it’s the same guy https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1564367715053326337/photo/1



@PickardJE If I had predicted that the poll tax would be popular with the electorate I would simply stop predicting things https://twitter.com/hannahrosewoods/status/1564373676216164355/photo/1

Minford is renowned in the economics profession only for being wrong about everything.

No he isn't.

He was right about the ERM for instance.

Unlike most in the economics profession.

That's rubbish. The dominant view on exchange rate pegs among economists is that a free float or a currency union are the only stable outcomes. And there is a whole economics literature on optimal currency areas devoted to analysing what preconditions are necessary for a currency union to work (tldr is that the euro area is not an optimal currency area).
Minford is a politically motivated hack who employs ludicrous modelling assumptions to generate his forecasts. Like a stopped clock he will be right occasionally, but as an economist I find him an embarrassment to the profession.

DavidL said:

Cicero said:

The massacre of small business is one thing that is coming across very clearly, and will be a significant part of the economic rout that the UK is going to be facing over the course of the next few quarters. Truss has maybe only weeks to establish a clear and stable policy direction (spoiler alert: none of her currently declared economic policies will work). The choices she makes next week for her cabinet will determine the tone, direction and success of her administration. If Redwood and Duncan Smith (and Rees Mogg) really have been raised from the crypt in order to play major roles, then by Halloween the Truss government will already be in a death spiral.

There is also the question of "events", and as this site knows, there is a major scandal already out there. So, I guess I need to order more popcorn (Microwave, obviously, the energy costs of using the stove versus the microwave are too large),

Truss needs to face up to reality, and hiding from the media will just infuriate them.

I do not see this massacre of small businesses at all. Yes, their costs are going to rise significantly so their prices will do likewise. That will effect businesses differentially depending on how important energy is for their business, as a generality manufacturing will be hit worse than services.

But we have more more than 10% inflation already. No one is going to be shocked by rising prices. Given wages are not rising as fast there may be some reduction in demand but so far that has not manifested itself.

We need to adjust to this exogenous price shock. Cheap gas and relatively cheap fuel are not coming back anytime soon, if ever. We need to accept as a nation that more of our money will be spent that way and less on other things. We did this with the oil shock in the 1970s. It was deeply unpleasant but we survived. Expecting governments to somehow magic this change away is every bit as fairy tale as the idea that the producers, who are in general well beyond the reach of the Treasury, will somehow be paying a windfall tax to pay for it all.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Cookie said:

CarlottaVance said:

Rob Ford brings facts to a prejudice party - fascinating trio of threads sparked by the “Never kissed a Tory” t- shirt:

In the second volume of @sexliesballots I had a look at voters' attitudes to marriage across party lines. 2010 Labour voters were much more likely to be upset at the idea of a close relative marrying a Conservative than 2010 Tories were of a potential Labour in-law.

https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1564202925068623874

Same phenomenon noted among Remain vs Leave voters.

I would suggest that this is a result of the dominant media culrure being Labour/Remain.
Remainers in deep Remainia might literally never knowingly encounter a Leaver or a Tory first hand. Potentially, their only exposure to them is via their chosen media, which will generally paint Leavers in a negative light.
Whereas Leavers in deep Leavistan - even if they personally do not know any Remainers (or Labour voters) will, if they watch any telly at all, be exposed to Remainy/Labour/Centrist Dad views on Remain's own terms. They may not agree with them, but Remain/Labour types will not be the distant and scary stereotypes that Leave/Tory types will be for those in deep Remainia.

Dominant media culture is Remain and Labour? You do know what the most popular newspapers in the UK are, right?

Sandpit said:

FPT:

A reminder that there will be a shortage over the winter, of 15-20% of gas requirements, whether that be for for direct gas supply or electricity generation.

No matter what the price, the demand needs to drop by that much otherwise there will be rationing.

Calls for government to reduce price, in order that customers don’t need to reduce demand, *will* result in fuel rationing this winter.

Most of the solutions are on the demand side - kicking off football matches at 1pm rather than 3pm, is a good example of this.

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

FPT:

A reminder that there will be a shortage over the winter, of 15-20% of gas requirements, whether that be for for direct gas supply or electricity generation.

No matter what the price, the demand needs to drop by that much otherwise there will be rationing.

Calls for government to reduce price, in order that customers don’t need to reduce demand, *will* result in fuel rationing this winter.

Most of the solutions are on the demand side - kicking off football matches at 1pm rather than 3pm, is a good example of this.

What's so BAD about fuel rationing ? It's better for most people than 8 grand energy bills.

DavidL said:

Cicero said:

The massacre of small business is one thing that is coming across very clearly, and will be a significant part of the economic rout that the UK is going to be facing over the course of the next few quarters. Truss has maybe only weeks to establish a clear and stable policy direction (spoiler alert: none of her currently declared economic policies will work). The choices she makes next week for her cabinet will determine the tone, direction and success of her administration. If Redwood and Duncan Smith (and Rees Mogg) really have been raised from the crypt in order to play major roles, then by Halloween the Truss government will already be in a death spiral.

There is also the question of "events", and as this site knows, there is a major scandal already out there. So, I guess I need to order more popcorn (Microwave, obviously, the energy costs of using the stove versus the microwave are too large),

Truss needs to face up to reality, and hiding from the media will just infuriate them.

I do not see this massacre of small businesses at all. Yes, their costs are going to rise significantly so their prices will do likewise. That will effect businesses differentially depending on how important energy is for their business, as a generality manufacturing will be hit worse than services.

But we have more more than 10% inflation already. No one is going to be shocked by rising prices. Given wages are not rising as fast there may be some reduction in demand but so far that has not manifested itself.

We need to adjust to this exogenous price shock. Cheap gas and relatively cheap fuel are not coming back anytime soon, if ever. We need to accept as a nation that more of our money will be spent that way and less on other things. We did this with the oil shock in the 1970s. It was deeply unpleasant but we survived. Expecting governments to somehow magic this change away is every bit as fairy tale as the idea that the producers, who are in general well beyond the reach of the Treasury, will somehow be paying a windfall tax to pay for it all.

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AugustusCarp2 said:

Truss's first PMQT is going to be a bloodbath. She simply doesn't have the mental agility to think on her feet, and she knows it. Starmer is going to go into full-on barrister mode - question, pause, wait for his subject to say something slightly off-line and then monster her. It's going to be brutal.

Theresa May wasn't noted for her ability to think on her feet but she still easily won her first PMQ exchange.

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CarlottaVance said:

Rob Ford brings facts to a prejudice party - fascinating trio of threads sparked by the “Never kissed a Tory” t- shirt:

In the second volume of @sexliesballots I had a look at voters' attitudes to marriage across party lines. 2010 Labour voters were much more likely to be upset at the idea of a close relative marrying a Conservative than 2010 Tories were of a potential Labour in-law.

https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1564202925068623874

Same phenomenon noted among Remain vs Leave voters.

I would suggest that this is a result of the dominant media culrure being Labour/Remain.
Remainers in deep Remainia might literally never knowingly encounter a Leaver or a Tory first hand. Potentially, their only exposure to them is via their chosen media, which will generally paint Leavers in a negative light.
Whereas Leavers in deep Leavistan - even if they personally do not know any Remainers (or Labour voters) will, if they watch any telly at all, be exposed to Remainy/Labour/Centrist Dad views on Remain's own terms. They may not agree with them, but Remain/Labour types will not be the distant and scary stereotypes that Leave/Tory types will be for those in deep Remainia.

Dominant media culture is Remain and Labour? You do know what the most popular newspapers in the UK are, right?

The people writing the newspapers don't actually believe in the politics of what they write, necessarily. The Sun in a classic example.

Given the number of Daily Mail staff who are first generation immigrants, it seems quite likely to me that there a number of hard core John Redwood fans on the staff at the Guardian.