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  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    edited August 2022

    Contrary to what's often discussed or assumed on PB and elsewhere, Corbyn and McDonnell were in fact heading somewhere similar, possibly combined with a decentralised, mutualised-type option.
    I disagree on that. Those two had fair too to much 'run by/controlled by the 'people' vibes'.

    quotes like this:
    Labour pledged to bring energy, rail, water, and mail into public ownership and to put democratic management at the heart of how those industries are run.

    That 'democratic management' part sends shudders down my spine about that that actually means.

    or this
    'In public hands, under democratic control, workforces and their unions will be the managers of this change, not its casualties.'
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Carnyx said:

    Render down to puree and freeze, for tomato soup and puttanesca all winter. (So long as there aren't too many power cuts.)
    I made pasta sauce earlier in the week with some of my tomato glut and it was fantastic. Its a great time of year for easy home grown produce - runner beans, new potatoes and soon my sweetcorn will be in (a few more weeks). Love this time of year, but would quite like some rain!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095

    It is too hot and sticky for about six weeks in summer. It’s really screwed up my running which I refuse to do above 25 degrees Celsius.

    Winters are v cold but v bright. London’s three-month gloom depressed me.

    It is 33 degrees C in London today
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824

    I don’t agree with this.
    It’s certainly true for the bottom 30% or 40%.

    It then gets progressively less true, depending precisely where in the US.

    Looking at key metros, SF, LA and NYC are in certain respects quite dysfunctional such that unless you are in the top 10% or 5% you might be better off in Europe.

    What is undeniably true is that there are vast swathes of Americans living in big houses with big cars, far away from poor people with all their problems, living incredibly comfortably.
    Perhaps I am influenced by my recent road trip through the Deep South, which is a less happy part of America

    But, I don't think I am. Here's one basic fact: Americans take on average 14 days of paid holiday a year. Europeans get 28 days or more


    https://www.benefitnews.com/news/should-the-u-s-have-the-same-pto-as-the-u-k-and-the-eu

    That might seem trivial, it really isn't. Holidays are what make life bearable for a lot of people in boring jobs. Plus Europeans can easily holiday in Europe

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824
    edited August 2022
    HYUFD said:

    It is 33 degrees C in London today
    It's gorgeous today, but @Gardenwalker is right about London winters. They are dismal and dark. Mind you, NYC in winter is often freeze-your-balls-off cold, in a way we don't experience, and is not exactly pleasant
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    How very la-di-da. What's wrong with 'oops?
    I had guests innit
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,518

    I don’t agree with this.
    It’s certainly true for the bottom 30% or 40%.

    It then gets progressively less true, depending precisely where in the US.

    Looking at key metros, SF, LA and NYC are in certain respects quite dysfunctional such that unless you are in the top 10% or 5% you might be better off in Europe.

    What is undeniably true is that there are vast swathes of Americans living in big houses with big cars, far away from poor people with all their problems, living incredibly comfortably.
    I don't know if it's as high as 30-40%, but that's only my impression. I think it's definitely worse for the bottom 20%. Being poor in urban America, or the rural South is definitely no joke. What makes it worse is not just the lack of income, but the widespread belief you're the one to blame for being poor, and the unwelcome attention you get from law enforcement agencies.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095

    I don’t agree with this.
    It’s certainly true for the bottom 30% or 40%.

    It then gets progressively less true, depending precisely where in the US.

    Looking at key metros, SF, LA and NYC are in certain respects quite dysfunctional such that unless you are in the top 10% or 5% you might be better off in Europe.

    What is undeniably true is that there are vast swathes of Americans living in big houses with big cars, far away from poor people with all their problems, living incredibly comfortably.

    I don’t agree with this.
    It’s certainly true for the bottom 30% or 40%.

    It then gets progressively less true, depending precisely where in the US.

    Looking at key metros, SF, LA and NYC are in certain respects quite dysfunctional such that unless you are in the top 10% or 5% you might be better off in Europe.

    What is undeniably true is that there are vast swathes of Americans living in big houses with big cars, far away from poor people with all their problems, living incredibly comfortably.
    It is better to be poor in western Europe, if you are middle income you earn more on average gdp per capita wise in the US than most European nations with a few exceptions like Switzerland and Norway but get no state healthcare. If you are rich you are better off in the US as you earn more, can afford private schools and healthcare and are taxed less (apart from maybe Switzerland)
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Leon said:

    Perhaps I am influenced by my recent road trip through the Deep South, which is a less happy part of America

    But, I don't think I am. Here's one basic fact: Americans take on average 14 days of paid holiday a year. Europeans get 28 days or more


    https://www.benefitnews.com/news/should-the-u-s-have-the-same-pto-as-the-u-k-and-the-eu

    That might seem trivial, it really isn't. Holidays are what make life bearable for a lot of people in boring jobs. Plus Europeans can easily holiday in Europe

    My locus is New York and New England, ie the most British bits.

    Your holiday point is noted, but I’ve discovered that (middle class) New Yorkers at least have figured out how to buck this.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Nowhere near.

    Apparently there have been "technical problems" at the small reservoir nearby to it. It's possible that it's dried out, but two factors make that raise more questions than answers: Farmoor reservoir (the largest one currently in Oxfordshire; a different reservoir) is at nearly 90% of capacity, and reservoirs shouldn't run down beyond about 20% due to algae blooms. Makes me wonder if some sort of plug was accidentally pulled.

    Moreover, only half the village is out of water. Somehow, TW is only supplying that half of the village from that small reservoir; everywhere else is properly linked up (the village has had long-running problems).

    Beyond that, we're getting into the argument about SESRO (reservoir) versus STT (Severn-Thames Transfer linking all the way to United Utilities).

    SESRO: 15 yrs at least to build (assuming a megaproject like this comes in on schedule - this is a scale beyond any bunded reservoir ever attempted in the UK) plus at least two years to fill from the Thames (assuming the Thames has plentiful water for both years). Totally dependent on the Thames (so suceptible to single-region droughts), max water output of 290 Ml/day, numbers don't close to fulfil the criterion of avoiding rare droughts. Huge environmental impacts (it's a bad place to build a reservoir; the only justification is that many other places in the Thames Valley are even worse). On a floodplain, so would screw up towns and villages nearby in flood season. Would cause regular fogs over the A34. Unknown what the effects of flexing 150,000,000 tonnes on and off the clay floor of the Vale would be.

    STT: 2-3 yrs to build (known and familiar technology). Immediately available once built. 300-500 Ml/day water output. Resilient to even two-region droughts, let alone a single-region drought. No disruption or environmental issues.

    Thames Water don't want STT to come first, or even at all. Original plans were "we'll consider STT after 2080." With the 290Ml/day from SESRO, they say they may well not need it at all.

    They've been forced to bring it forward to the 2050s. We want them to build STT first (far quicker, half the price, no disruption or environmental impact, drought resilience way beyond what is needed), and then see if a reservoir is needed afterwards. And, if so, where would be best for it with the greater reach.

    Drawbacks to STT from Thames Water's point of view: not a valuable commercial asset, does not provide water they own and can sell on to Affinity Water and Southern Water. And if STT is built, they'll probably never get SESRO.
    Interesting. STT can't be far off the line of the old Stroudwater and Thames-Severn Canals.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    The Tavistock gender clinic is facing mass legal action from youngsters who claim they were rushed into taking life-altering puberty blockers.

    Lawyers expect about 1,000 families to join a medical negligence lawsuit alleging vulnerable children have been misdiagnosed and placed on a damaging medical pathway.

    They are accusing the gender identity development service [GIDS] at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust of multiple failures in its duty of care.

    This includes allegations it recklessly prescribed puberty blockers with harmful side effects and adopted an “unquestioning, affirmative approach” to children identifying as transgender.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4e7fc538-18dc-11ed-b1f4-627a202c7457?shareToken=2094256c4cd342d9271415fac611cd78

    A fair few edge cases, then.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,924
    kinabalu said:

    Donny will always be a town to me, I think. "City" doesn't feel right at all.
    No, it doesn't at all. It is just another ego boost for some local politicians. It is clearly a market (and railway) town with some mining villages tagged on.

    We've had a consultation from the council on whether we should be known as "City of Doncaster" or "Doncaster City". I'm going to vote for "Doncaster".

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824

    My locus is New York and New England, ie the most British bits.

    Your holiday point is noted, but I’ve discovered that (middle class) New Yorkers at least have figured out how to buck this.
    Ideally, and basically, what you want is an American salary and tax, but you live in Europe. Try and sort it
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    No, it doesn't at all. It is just another ego boost for some local politicians. It is clearly a market (and railway) town with some mining villages tagged on.

    We've had a consultation from the council on whether we should be known as "City of Doncaster" or "Doncaster City". I'm going to vote for "Doncaster".

    I can’t believe “Doncaster City” is an option.

    Makes it sound like a hick town in Texas where the oil wells have dried up,
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,266

    Nope!
    Just a possible lack of leccy due to under-investment in better replacements, particularly if gas is scarce this winter...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,824
    IshmaelZ said:

    The Tavistock gender clinic is facing mass legal action from youngsters who claim they were rushed into taking life-altering puberty blockers.

    Lawyers expect about 1,000 families to join a medical negligence lawsuit alleging vulnerable children have been misdiagnosed and placed on a damaging medical pathway.

    They are accusing the gender identity development service [GIDS] at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust of multiple failures in its duty of care.

    This includes allegations it recklessly prescribed puberty blockers with harmful side effects and adopted an “unquestioning, affirmative approach” to children identifying as transgender.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4e7fc538-18dc-11ed-b1f4-627a202c7457?shareToken=2094256c4cd342d9271415fac611cd78

    A fair few edge cases, then.

    Good. That was predicted on here by many

    What an evil place. I hope careers are ruined; indeed, this seems inevitable
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,924

    I can’t believe “Doncaster City” is an option.

    Makes it sound like a hick town in Texas where the oil wells have dried up,
    Well, substitute coal for oil and with the weather as it is, you might not be far off...

    We only seem to do a good line in warehouses now. The Amazon sheds are *massive*.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,327

    In the 80's, Isabel Adjani ran her close.

    Steve Wright has had a good run. I heard some interesting stuff about him (from one of his Radio 2 colleagues. He has been very astute about keeping his job this long.
    She looks great in Subway.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    Carnyx said:

    Interesting. STT can't be far off the line of the old Stroudwater and Thames-Severn Canals.
    One of the two options uses the canals and would restore them.



    Option 2. It's a little more expensive, but would have huge positive externalities (the Cotswolds Canal Trust really want this to happen, and I don't blame them. People would love for this to be in their backyard. The exact reverse of "NIMBY"
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited August 2022
    Latest news: there have been explosions at another airbase: this time in Belarus, at Zyabrouka, ~18 miles from the border with Ukraine.

    All these anonymous military attacks by presumed state actors! Eastern Europe is getting like the Gulf!

    Those who punch the air and say this is utterly legitimate because the Belarusian government has been helping the Russian side should recall that other countries (including Poland and Britain) have been helping the Ukrainian side. Anybody who wants this war to escalate is a maniac.

    What is the reason why the Ukrainian government hasn't claimed responsibility for the attack on Saki airbase in the Crimea? I realise they are claiming responsibility "between the lines" to their home market and their supporters abroad, but why haven't they said so explicitly? A highly successful surprise raid, on a military target, with presumably none of your own guys lost or captured? You'd have thought the optics were great.

    I don't know the answer to the question, but the absence of a "we did it" claim might be so that the Ukrainian government can keep its oar in in the psychological warfare relating to last week's shelling of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which looks as though it will be on the agenda at today's UNSC meeting.

    Another possibility is that it wasn't the Ukrainians who attacked Saki, but someone else...and I don't mean Ukrainian nationalist partisans in the Crimea (all three of them) acting off their own bat.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,281
    edited August 2022
    Dynamo said:

    Latest news: there have been explosions at another airbase: this time in Belarus, at Zyabrouka, ~18 miles from the border with Ukraine.

    All these anonymous military attacks by presumed state actors! Eastern Europe is getting like the Gulf!

    Those who punch the air and say this is utterly legitimate because the Belarusian government has been helping the Russian side should recall that other countries (including Poland and Britain) have been helping the Ukrainian side. Anybody who wants this war to escalate is a maniac.

    What is the reason why the Ukrainian government hasn't claimed responsibility for the attack on Saki airbase in the Crimea? I realise they are claiming responsibility "between the lines" to their home market and their supporters abroad, but why haven't they said so explicitly? A highly successful surprise raid, on a military target, with presumably none of your own guys lost or captured? You'd have thought the optics were great.

    I don't know the answer to the question, but the absence of a "we did it" claim might be so that the Ukrainian government can keep its oar in in the psychological warfare relating to last week's shelling of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which looks as though it will be on the agenda at today's UNSC meeting.

    Another possibility is that it wasn't the Ukrainians who attacked Saki, but someone else...and I don't mean Ukrainian nationalist partisans in the Crimea (all three of them) acting off their own bat.

    Dick.

    Equating helping the evil Russian invasion with aiding the noble Ukrainian defence is fucking stupid.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,759
    Dynamo said:

    Latest news: there have been explosions at another airbase: this time in Belarus, at Zyabrouka, ~18 miles from the border with Ukraine.

    All these anonymous military attacks by presumed state actors! Eastern Europe is getting like the Gulf!

    Those who punch the air and say this is utterly legitimate because the Belarusian government has been helping the Russian side should recall that other countries (including Poland and Britain) have been helping the Ukrainian side. Anybody who wants this war to escalate is a maniac.

    What is the reason why the Ukrainian government hasn't claimed responsibility for the attack on Saki airbase in the Crimea? I realise they are claiming responsibility "between the lines" to their home market and their supporters abroad, but why haven't they said so explicitly? A highly successful surprise raid, on a military target, with presumably none of your own guys lost or captured? You'd have thought the optics were great.

    I don't know the answer to the question, but the absence of a "we did it" claim might be so that the Ukrainian government can keep its oar in in the psychological warfare relating to last week's shelling of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which looks as though it will be on the agenda at today's UNSC meeting.

    Another possibility is that it wasn't the Ukrainians who attacked Saki, but someone else...and I don't mean Ukrainian nationalist partisans in the Crimea (all three of them) acting off their own bat.

    They are/were firing missiles from Lukashenko's hovel. Seems only fair to receive some by return of post.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    IshmaelZ said:

    The Tavistock gender clinic is facing mass legal action from youngsters who claim they were rushed into taking life-altering puberty blockers.

    Lawyers expect about 1,000 families to join a medical negligence lawsuit alleging vulnerable children have been misdiagnosed and placed on a damaging medical pathway.

    They are accusing the gender identity development service [GIDS] at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust of multiple failures in its duty of care.

    This includes allegations it recklessly prescribed puberty blockers with harmful side effects and adopted an “unquestioning, affirmative approach” to children identifying as transgender.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4e7fc538-18dc-11ed-b1f4-627a202c7457?shareToken=2094256c4cd342d9271415fac611cd78

    A fair few edge cases, then.

    Sounds like another few million heading out of the NHS budget, to pay for lawyers and compensation.

    Maybe the ideologues in charge might face personal consequences in this case - certainly those professionally qualified need to be struck off.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    Dynamo said:

    Latest news: there have been explosions at another airbase: this time in Belarus, at Zyabrouka, ~18 miles from the border with Ukraine.

    All these anonymous military attacks by presumed state actors! Eastern Europe is getting like the Gulf!

    Those who punch the air and say this is utterly legitimate because the Belarusian government has been helping the Russian side should recall that other countries (including Poland and Britain) have been helping the Ukrainian side. Anybody who wants this war to escalate is a maniac.

    What is the reason why the Ukrainian government hasn't claimed responsibility for the attack on Saki airbase in the Crimea? I realise they are claiming responsibility "between the lines" to their home market and their supporters abroad, but why haven't they said so explicitly? A highly successful surprise raid, on a military target, with presumably none of your own guys lost or captured? You'd have thought the optics were great.

    I don't know the answer to the question, but the absence of a "we did it" claim might be so that the Ukrainian government can keep its oar in in the psychological warfare relating to last week's shelling of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which looks as though it will be on the agenda at today's UNSC meeting.

    Another possibility is that it wasn't the Ukrainians who attacked Saki, but someone else...and I don't mean Ukrainian nationalist partisans in the Crimea (all three of them) acting off their own bat.

    The Belarusians have said the explosion at their airbase was an accident, and Ukraine is saying a lot less officially about that than the Crimean airbase, so the two aren't comparable. We had this with some previous attacks/accidents near Belgorod, where some were attacks and some were accidents. I think the Ukrainians have enough Russian targets in Ukraine to get into a mess by attacking targets in Belarus.

    The main reason for Ukraine to keep tight-lipped about the Crimean attack is to avoid giving any info to the Russians that the Russians don't have about how the attack succeeded. This will be because the Ukrainians want to repeat the attack vector on a different target.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Dynamo said:

    Latest news: there have been explosions at another airbase: this time in Belarus, at Zyabrouka, ~18 miles from the border with Ukraine.

    All these anonymous military attacks by presumed state actors! Eastern Europe is getting like the Gulf!

    Those who punch the air and say this is utterly legitimate because the Belarusian government has been helping the Russian side should recall that other countries (including Poland and Britain) have been helping the Ukrainian side. Anybody who wants this war to escalate is a maniac.

    What is the reason why the Ukrainian government hasn't claimed responsibility for the attack on Saki airbase in the Crimea? I realise they are claiming responsibility "between the lines" to their home market and their supporters abroad, but why haven't they said so explicitly? A highly successful surprise raid, on a military target, with presumably none of your own guys lost or captured? You'd have thought the optics were great.

    I don't know the answer to the question, but the absence of a "we did it" claim might be so that the Ukrainian government can keep its oar in in the psychological warfare relating to last week's shelling of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which looks as though it will be on the agenda at today's UNSC meeting.

    Another possibility is that it wasn't the Ukrainians who attacked Saki, but someone else...and I don't mean Ukrainian nationalist partisans in the Crimea (all three of them) acting off their own bat.

    LOL. The Russians send missiles from Belarus into Ukraine, then complain like mad when a few go in the opposite direction. I just got the windows replaced in my apartment in Ukraine - $4k, thanks Putin for blowing them out.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,518
    Dynamo said:

    Latest news: there have been explosions at another airbase: this time in Belarus, at Zyabrouka, ~18 miles from the border with Ukraine.

    All these anonymous military attacks by presumed state actors! Eastern Europe is getting like the Gulf!

    Those who punch the air and say this is utterly legitimate because the Belarusian government has been helping the Russian side should recall that other countries (including Poland and Britain) have been helping the Ukrainian side. Anybody who wants this war to escalate is a maniac.

    What is the reason why the Ukrainian government hasn't claimed responsibility for the attack on Saki airbase in the Crimea? I realise they are claiming responsibility "between the lines" to their home market and their supporters abroad, but why haven't they said so explicitly? A highly successful surprise raid, on a military target, with presumably none of your own guys lost or captured? You'd have thought the optics were great.

    I don't know the answer to the question, but the absence of a "we did it" claim might be so that the Ukrainian government can keep its oar in in the psychological warfare relating to last week's shelling of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which looks as though it will be on the agenda at today's UNSC meeting.

    Another possibility is that it wasn't the Ukrainians who attacked Saki, but someone else...and I don't mean Ukrainian nationalist partisans in the Crimea (all three of them) acting off their own bat.

    The other possibility is that it was destroyed due to Russian incompetence.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Sandpit said:

    LOL. The Russians send missiles from Belarus into Ukraine, then complain like mad when a few go in the opposite direction. I just got the windows replaced in my apartment in Ukraine - $4k, thanks Putin for blowing them out.
    That’s a lot of money considering local wages.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,518
    Leon said:

    Good. That was predicted on here by many

    What an evil place. I hope careers are ruined; indeed, this seems inevitable
    @David L predicted a wave of such medical negligence cases, a few years ago.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    edited August 2022
    Sandpit said:

    LOL. The Russians send missiles from Belarus into Ukraine, then complain like mad when a few go in the opposite direction. I just got the windows replaced in my apartment in Ukraine - $4k, thanks Putin for blowing them out.
    Whereabouts roughly in Ukraine is your apartment? My Grandma was born in Ternopil, in the west, so I'm thinking of visiting after the war, see if I can find any ancestors in the graveyards, and have a look around.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    That’s a lot of money considering local wages.
    Yes, the price of windows in Ukraine has doubled in the last six months - for some unknown reason.

    Labour is 10% of the bill, but the supplier is finding it difficult to recruit people becuase the kids are all signing up to fight the war.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,768

    Dick.

    Equating helping the evil Russian invasion with aiding the noble Ukrainian defence is fucking stupid.
    Don't engage with the twat.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651

    The Belarusians have said the explosion at their airbase was an accident, and Ukraine is saying a lot less officially about that than the Crimean airbase, so the two aren't comparable. We had this with some previous attacks/accidents near Belgorod, where some were attacks and some were accidents. I think the Ukrainians have enough Russian targets in Ukraine to get into a mess by attacking targets in Belarus.

    The main reason for Ukraine to keep tight-lipped about the Crimean attack is to avoid giving any info to the Russians that the Russians don't have about how the attack succeeded. This will be because the Ukrainians want to repeat the attack vector on a different target.
    That would imply the Russians are less than 99.9% sure that it actually was the Ukrainians who did it, which they may well be.
  • Sandpit said:

    Yes, the price of windows in Ukraine has doubled in the last six months - for some unknown reason.

    Labour is 10% of the bill, but the supplier is finding it difficult to recruit people becuase the kids are all signing up to fight the war.
    The last bit makes your post rather heartening. I mean, obviously it's terrible that they have to feel that that's their only option, but it's part of why Russia can't win this war. The Russians are having to bribe their poorest into fighting.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,768
    Sandpit said:

    LOL. The Russians send missiles from Belarus into Ukraine, then complain like mad when a few go in the opposite direction. I just got the windows replaced in my apartment in Ukraine - $4k, thanks Putin for blowing them out.
    They launched the Kiev invasion from Belarus !
  • In all reality, the ludicrous parochial northerner claim that virtually anyone would instinctively punch you in the face for daring to say they are from the next suburb of Greater Manchester is, of course, complete and utter mythology.
    Oh you are fun, aren't you?

    Of course people from Leigh won't actually punch you in the face for suggesting they're from Wigan, but the stereotype is there for a reason and has a grain of truth in it about the attitudes.

    Leigh is far more in the shadow of being a part of Greater Wigan than Greater Manchester. Which is amusing, because Wigan itself is part of Greater Manchester but really doesn't feel like it, it feels like its own town just like Warrington is.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Whereabouts roughly in Ukraine is your apartment? My Grandma was born in Ternopil, in the west, so I'm thinking of visiting after the war, see if I can find any ancestors in the graveyards, and have a look around.
    Zhytomyr, about 100km west of Kiev. 4th March, the missile missed the town hall and hit the school next door - which thankfully was closed - and blew out the windows in both my apartment and my father-in-law’s apartment, 100m and 200m away.

    After the war ends, tourists will be very much welcome, especially those with links to the area. Most of the youngsters speak English, find a student and pay them $100 a week to be your guide.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    Was there anyone more gorgeous than Clare Grogan in the 1980s?

    I am boycotting R2 after the Steve Wright sacking. Ken will be next!
    Switched on R2 earlier and was surprised to find Steve Wright still presenting.
  • Dynamo said:

    That would imply the Russians are less than 99.9% sure that it actually was the Ukrainians who did it, which they may well be.
    Cold otters only shiver in the wind
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    The last bit makes your post rather heartening. I mean, obviously it's terrible that they have to feel that that's their only option, but it's part of why Russia can't win this war. The Russians are having to bribe their poorest into fighting.
    Yes indeed. The Ukranians are fighting for their existential survival, and recruiting millions of young men to fight for it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    My now-expert opinion is that London beats New York on most lifestyle metrics, except that as soon as you get outside of the densest parts of New York you have access to vast and wonderful landscape where commutable and LARGE property is very cheap by British standards.

    Housing costs consume so much of British incomes.
    Most ordinary people can barely afford to visit London or New York for a couple of days, it's so expensive.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651

    Dick.

    Equating helping the evil Russian invasion with aiding the noble Ukrainian defence is fucking stupid.
    Perhaps look up "equate" in a dictionary, before somebody "equates" your and Nigelb's attitude with Kenny Everett's:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn2oisrDclc
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    Did some fucker on here earlier, when discussing food, use the word "mouthfeel"?

    Jesus H Christ.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,281
    edited August 2022
    Dynamo said:

    Perhaps look up "equate" in a dictionary, before somebody "equates" your and Nigelb's attitude with Kenny Everett's:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn2oisrDclc
    As the old saying goes, puring the soil worthies the liver
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited August 2022
    Lord Howard is 'Ready for Rishi'

    https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1557319197159481345?s=20&t=LLfCQvyTHcNVAYaqaJ3-Cg

    In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
  • I disagree on that. Those two had fair too to much 'run by/controlled by the 'people' vibes'.

    quotes like this:
    Labour pledged to bring energy, rail, water, and mail into public ownership and to put democratic management at the heart of how those industries are run.

    That 'democratic management' part sends shudders down my spine about that that actually means.

    or this
    'In public hands, under democratic control, workforces and their unions will be the managers of this change, not its casualties.'
    Although, overall, I'm a Milibandite rather than a Corbynite, I don't agree with this. Their general plan was for a loosened, co-operative-type approach to the utilities, which may or may not have worked, but isn't really the old hard left.
    The plan was to get the New Economics Foundation to draw it up, which is hardly an old-style, orthodox-hard-left outfiit.

    "It is important to note that at the alternative models of ownership conference yesterday, McDonnell made clear that the plans do not attempt to emulate the nationalised industries of the past. Instead, it will promote the use of co-operatives."



  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Andy_JS said:

    Most ordinary people can barely afford to visit London or New York for a couple of days, it's so expensive.
    London and New York City have more in common with each other than most of the rest of the UK and USA
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,984
    HYUFD said:
    No real surprise. Howard was vehemently critical of the Boris/Truss shenanigans over the Northern Ireland protocol.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Dynamo said:

    Perhaps look up "equate" in a dictionary, before somebody "equates" your and Nigelb's attitude with Kenny Everett's:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn2oisrDclc
    Kenny Everett was right. Let’s bomb Russia. Starting with Crimea, which Russia thinks is Russia, but everyone else knows is Ukraine.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited August 2022
    Just to add, re; the below :

    "The scheme has been warmly received by the Co-operative Party, which the shadow chancellor announced would be setting up an implementation group. The affiliated party has commissioned a report from the New Economics Foundation to look further into the practicalities of boosting the co-operative sector."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economics_Foundation
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    TOPPING said:

    Did some fucker on here earlier, when discussing food, use the word "mouthfeel"?

    Jesus H Christ.

    Yep (not me). Texture, but more than that: interaction with flavour too.

    It's why I cut up my potatoes for stovies* irregularly to get a range of sizes which vary from completely cooked and moistly pasty to al dente.

    *potatoes, onions, and a little fat and water cooked in one pan - aka pommes de terre estovees, lobscouse, Labskaus (Danish), etc.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    Dynamo said:

    That would imply the Russians are less than 99.9% sure that it actually was the Ukrainians who did it, which they may well be.
    The Russians are using 1960s maps to select targets and plan attacks. I don't have much belief in their competence to know what is going on.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited August 2022
    TOPPING said:

    Did some fucker on here earlier, when discussing food, use the word "mouthfeel"?

    Jesus H Christ.

    It's been a thing for quite a long time :smile: .


    https://www.google.com/search?client=avast-a-2&q=mouthfeel&oq=mouthfeel&aqs=avast..69i57j0l7.1634j0j9&ie=UTF-8

    Perhaps out of California?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    Carnyx said:

    Yep (not me). Texture, but more than that: interaction with flavour too.

    It's why I cut up my potatoes for stovies* irregularly to get a range of sizes which vary from completely cooked and moistly pasty to al dente.

    *potatoes, onions, and a little fat and water cooked in one pan - aka pommes de terre estovees, lobscouse, Labskaus (Danish), etc.
    Or an "all in" as we used to call it.

    Kidding it sounds very gourmet.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,136
    Carnyx said:

    It's why I cut up my potatoes for stovies* irregularly to get a range of sizes which vary from completely cooked and moistly pasty to al dente.

    That is possibly the worst thing I have ever read on this site
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    edited August 2022

    One of the two options uses the canals and would restore them.



    Option 2. It's a little more expensive, but would have huge positive externalities (the Cotswolds Canal Trust really want this to happen, and I don't blame them. People would love for this to be in their backyard. The exact reverse of "NIMBY"
    Mm, that'd be like the way Telford's Pontcysyllte Aqueduct was latterly maintained primarily as a water supply feeder. I do hope it happens.

    Edit: also presumably grants for the industrial archaeology bits. They'd never need to worry about keeping the summit level wet, either.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,136
    NEW Rating of a @Keir_Starmer vs @trussliz government on who will do most to…. https://twitter.com/benatipsos/status/1557744322874851329/photo/1
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW Rating of a @Keir_Starmer vs @trussliz government on who will do most to…. https://twitter.com/benatipsos/status/1557744322874851329/photo/1

    A Starmer government leads a Truss government on everything except cutting taxes
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,856
    Ukraine will end up with better air defence than Russia.

    2 Russian Kalibr cruise missiles shot down in Kharkiv Oblast - Ukraine's Air Force Command

    The Command says that Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile units destroyed two Kalibrs launched from the Black Sea at about 13:30 today.


    https://twitter.com/euromaidanpress/status/1557744378059272192
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    MattW said:

    It's been a thing for quite a long time :smile: .


    https://www.google.com/search?client=avast-a-2&q=mouthfeel&oq=mouthfeel&aqs=avast..69i57j0l7.1634j0j9&ie=UTF-8

    Perhaps out of California?
    Makes me vom.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    TOPPING said:

    Or an "all in" as we used to call it.

    Kidding it sounds very gourmet.
    Basic Scots comfort food. Served with cold roast meat (lamb or pheasant for preference) and pickled beetroot. I was very surprised to order Labskaus in Copenhagen out of curiosity* and get this stuff straight from mum's kitchen.

    *safer than in a Chinese place - got curried chicken feet once.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Scott_xP said:

    That is possibly the worst thing I have ever read on this site
    You do realise they are all in one mass with the onion? This provides an interesting texture, er, mouthfeel.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,856
    TOPPING said:

    Makes me vom.
    Is it just jarring to use Anglo-Saxon words pretentiously? Maybe you'd prefer la sensation en bouche.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,136
    Carnyx said:

    You do realise they are all in one mass with the onion? This provides an interesting texture, er, mouthfeel.

    Stovies vary in size (potatoes are wider in the middle than the end) but they should all be the same thickness.

    Like my Gran used to make...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,397

    Ukraine will end up with better air defence than Russia.

    2 Russian Kalibr cruise missiles shot down in Kharkiv Oblast - Ukraine's Air Force Command

    The Command says that Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile units destroyed two Kalibrs launched from the Black Sea at about 13:30 today.


    https://twitter.com/euromaidanpress/status/1557744378059272192

    There is a video about today showing the sea launch of two Kaliber missiles, presumably from a submarine. Coincidence?

    If Ukraine ends up with better air defence, it won't just be due to the kit they're using. It'll also be down to training, experience, intelligence and better integration of air defence with other assets.

    Does anyone still think Russia is actually winning? (However you define 'winning' ...)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Not building a reservoir in 30 years is pretty stupid. Almost every year we have flooding, etc.
  • TOPPING said:

    Makes me vom.
    I really don’t like that mouthfeel

  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670

    One of the two options uses the canals and would restore them.

    Option 2. It's a little more expensive, but would have huge positive externalities (the Cotswolds Canal Trust really want this to happen, and I don't blame them. People would love for this to be in their backyard. The exact reverse of "NIMBY"
    Both proposals are NIMBY, though. And end-of-pipe to boot.

    Thames Water, where usage is significantly more than their peer UK regions per person (by 10% according to these numbers *), want to pull resources from the other side of the country rather than put their own house in order. They have not yet done even the low-hanging fruit such as metering, whilst eg Southern generally have.

    And even the UK average household usage is 20-30% above places such as Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark.



    * Source and I would love to see something more recent: https://waterwise.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/WWT-Report-.pdf


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    edited August 2022
    All Red Wall (please not Redwall, it just makes me think of anthropomorphic mice) MPs panic? No. But without a turnaround, which will not be down to anything they personally do, many of them are going to lose their seats. Only question is if it is enough.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,652
    MattW said:

    It's been a thing for quite a long time :smile: .


    https://www.google.com/search?client=avast-a-2&q=mouthfeel&oq=mouthfeel&aqs=avast..69i57j0l7.1634j0j9&ie=UTF-8

    Perhaps out of California?
    I think I first heard it on one of Heston Blumenthal's early cooking shows - early 2000's I guess.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    TOPPING said:

    Makes me vom.
    Vom has a very poor, though distinctive, mouthfeel.

    I am told.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,652
    Carnyx said:

    Yep (not me). Texture, but more than that: interaction with flavour too.

    It's why I cut up my potatoes for stovies* irregularly to get a range of sizes which vary from completely cooked and moistly pasty to al dente.

    *potatoes, onions, and a little fat and water cooked in one pan - aka pommes de terre estovees, lobscouse, Labskaus (Danish), etc.
    Don't your stovies have meat?

    I once had 'deconstructed stovies' in a restaurant. It was as bad as it sounds.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,955

    I really don’t like that mouthfeel

    NSFW, but from a fairly famous youtuber.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITnXpdocltQ

    *ducks*
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    MattW said:

    Both proposals are NIMBY, though. And end-of-pipe to boot.

    Thames Water, where usage is significantly more than their peer UK regions per person (by 10% according to these numbers *), want to pull resources from the other side of the country rather than put their own house in order. They have not yet done even the low-hanging fruit such as metering, whilst eg Southern generally have.

    And even the UK average household usage is 20-30% above places such as Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark.



    * Source and I would love to see something more recent: https://waterwise.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/WWT-Report-.pdf


    They have to do all of that as well.
    The discussion included metering (they say they're up to 50% and want to go for more) and demand reduction (metering apparently reduces demand by an average of 12% without any other intervention as people see what they're using - I haven't had that number independently confirmed).

    They also have to reduce leakage - they're amongst the worst and are leaking 605 Ml/day at the moment. The equivalent of two mega-reservoirs like SESRO.

    United Utilities (the proposed source) are happy with the STT proposal (they are, after all, in the most water-plentiful area of the country, with six times the rainfall of the South East and have well over a hundred reservoirs of decent size already).

    They're assuming they can get a demand reduction down to c. 110 litres per person per day (or at least that's the planning target). I'm going to believe it when I see it, but they do need to do that, and getting more metering out there will help by making adjustable tariffs possible.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,768
    Attack on the FBI building in Cincinnati:
    Interstate I71 North is shut down after suspect drove toward Waynesville Ohio. Unconfirmed reports say his now firing at police from a corn field.

    https://twitter.com/mynbc15/status/1557745287283736577
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,768

    Is it just jarring to use Anglo-Saxon words pretentiously? Maybe you'd prefer la sensation en bouche.
    Texture.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,136
    BREAKING: SNP lose control of North Lanarkshire council following resignation of Jordan Linden last month. Labour now in control.
    https://twitter.com/HRwritesnews/status/1557750323166445569
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,768
    Even the NYT seems to be paying more attention to the upcoming energy crunch than is Liz Truss...

    Europe’s Energy Crisis May Get a Lot Worse
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/10/opinion/europe-energy-crisis-ukraine.html
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    edited August 2022
    Nigelb said:

    Attack on the FBI building in Cincinnati:
    Interstate I71 North is shut down after suspect drove toward Waynesville Ohio. Unconfirmed reports say his now firing at police from a corn field.

    https://twitter.com/mynbc15/status/1557745287283736577

    Not a wheat field? In which case...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited August 2022

    They have to do all of that as well.
    The discussion included metering (they say they're up to 50% and want to go for more) and demand reduction (metering apparently reduces demand by an average of 12% without any other intervention as people see what they're using - I haven't had that number independently confirmed).

    They also have to reduce leakage - they're amongst the worst and are leaking 605 Ml/day at the moment. The equivalent of two mega-reservoirs like SESRO.

    United Utilities (the proposed source) are happy with the STT proposal (they are, after all, in the most water-plentiful area of the country, with six times the rainfall of the South East and have well over a hundred reservoirs of decent size already).

    They're assuming they can get a demand reduction down to c. 110 litres per person per day (or at least that's the planning target). I'm going to believe it when I see it, but they do need to do that, and getting more metering out there will help by making adjustable tariffs possible.
    Good comments. Southern are up to 85% metered.

    I'm inclined to think that if they get the transfer, then the rest might not happen.

    One stat that is of interest is that according to TW, a fair minority of leaks are on the customer side, and will be detectible by "Smart Meters".
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    No, it doesn't at all. It is just another ego boost for some local politicians. It is clearly a market (and railway) town with some mining villages tagged on.

    We've had a consultation from the council on
    whether we should be known as "City of Doncaster" or "Doncaster City". I'm going to vote for "Doncaster".

    By 2055 every settlement in England & Wales will have been awarded city status. Except Reading obvs.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,411
    Hey all: I just messed up a database upgrade and have had to roll it back and about 15 or 20 minutes of comments have been lost.

    Sorry.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,768
    rcs1000 said:

    Hey all: I just messed up a database upgrade and have had to roll it back and about 15 or 20 minutes of comments have been lost.

    Sorry.

    That's OK.
    You spared us more mouthfeel.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,136
    British energy bills forecast to soar above £5,000 next year https://on.ft.com/3QEMKPg
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    rcs1000 said:

    Hey all: I just messed up a database upgrade and have had to roll it back and about 15 or 20 minutes of comments have been lost.

    Sorry.

    We know the real reason was to expunge from the site all mention of m**thfeel and its proponents.

    Good job.

    Like he never existed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,768
    MAGA conspiracists...

    Just had someone explain to me that the FBI brought a “taint team” with them to MAL and that their job is to plant evidence. Um no. A taint team -aka a filter team- does not plant evidence. This person genuinely believes the FBI has an entire division
    https://twitter.com/NatSecJD/status/1557749211390689281

    For those unfamiliar with the term:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taint_(legal)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    Fortunately I saw the page just before the Finnish rumour disappeared. Hope everyone else saw it too. Shocking.
    It's where they got the donkey from that I don't understand.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,411
    Nigelb said:

    Even the NYT seems to be paying more attention to the upcoming energy crunch than is Liz Truss...

    Europe’s Energy Crisis May Get a Lot Worse
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/10/opinion/europe-energy-crisis-ukraine.html

    That's a pretty good piece - in particular about the global impacts.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,280
    TOPPING said:

    It's where they got the donkey from that I don't understand.
    Manchester United perhaps?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Scott_xP said:

    British energy bills forecast to soar above £5,000 next year https://on.ft.com/3QEMKPg

    Surely there comes a point where this is scaremongering though?

    I'm not saying it's not 'possibly' true, and clearly something needs to be done but a lot of this could be doomcasting.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792
    Nigelb said:

    MAGA conspiracists...

    Just had someone explain to me that the FBI brought a “taint team” with them to MAL and that their job is to plant evidence. Um no. A taint team -aka a filter team- does not plant evidence. This person genuinely believes the FBI has an entire division
    https://twitter.com/NatSecJD/status/1557749211390689281

    For those unfamiliar with the term:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taint_(legal)

    MAGA are even more bonkers than Nadine Dorries and people that believe Boris Johnson is the "victim" (lol) of a witch hunt.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    MattW said:

    Good comments. Southern are up to 85% metered.

    I'm inclined to think that if they get the transfer, then the rest might not happen.

    One stat that is of interest is that according to TW, a fair minority of leaks are on the customer side, and will be detectible by "Smart Meters".
    I can well believe they'll avoid things if possible. One way to do it would be the regulator to mandate it (surprisingly, the TW people last night said they wanted that to happen and lamented that the regulator doesn't get involved enough. Given that it's in their own power, I'm wondering if there's some sort of internal argument going on).

    The regulator could, with backup from Central Government, mandate that:
    - Metering should be increased at a certain rate
    - Leakage should be reduced at a specific rate

    ... and back it up with a limit on Board Member remuneration (by salary, bonus, dividends, share options) if not met in any given year.

    We seem to have got almost all the leakage reduction achieved since privatisation in the first decade, with progress since the turn of the century seemingly near-stalled.


    If we're going to have this setup, the regulator needs to be more involved, and to have some teeth. Otherwise, it's perfectly rational for TW and other companies to do the bare minimum in order to maximise their own profits and/or shareholder value.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,768

    MAGA are even more bonkers than Nadine Dorries and people that believe Boris Johnson is the "victim" (lol) of a witch hunt.
    We just have a dilute version.
    Nadine, for example, is a pallid facsimile of MTG.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,136

    Surely there comes a point where this is scaremongering though?

    I'm not saying it's not 'possibly' true, and clearly something needs to be done but a lot of this could be doomcasting.
    Arrived at work tonight to be told “we might have to shut the shop” last week the electric bill came in 10 x dearer today the gas came in, from £900 to £10,058.59 it’s a small family run business here since 1982 this would be tragic! 😢

    #fuelcrisis #Aberdeen https://twitter.com/NatalieAHood/status/1555946745774866440/photo/1
  • TOPPING said:

    It's where they got the donkey from that I don't understand.
    Can we draft the donkey in as a last-minute write-in candidate for Conservative leader?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,792

    I really don’t like that mouthfeel

    Words like that leave a nasty mouthfeel in your taste
  • Surely there comes a point where this is scaremongering though?

    I'm not saying it's not 'possibly' true, and clearly something needs to be done but a lot of this could be doomcasting.
    Much as I want to believe you, it's a forecast from a reputable consultancy reported in fairly neutral terms in the FT.
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