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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    edited August 2022

    Clare Grogan on Radio 2 has chosen Mmm-bop as one of the tracks of her years.

    Was there anyone more gorgeous than Clare Grogan in the 1980s?

    I am boycotting R2 after the Steve Wright sacking. Ken will be next!
    In the 80's, Isabel Adjani ran her close.

    Steve Wright has had a good run. I heard some interesting stuff about him (from one of his Radio 2 colleagues. He has been very astute about keeping his job this long.
    Kim Wilde.

    Periodically they ring the changes at R2 and get a load of presenters who've been sacked for being too old for R1. And so the world turns. He is a very good presenter though. He'll be snapped up by a commercial station.
  • Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    Bingo.

    Much like smoking I believe it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.

    If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.

    Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.

    Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
    Aaaaaand no. Just no
    I rarely press like so hard
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362
    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.

    Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.

    Yes. I think we'd have to be clear that our war aims were only to eject Russian forces from Ukraine, as per the agreements we made when Ukraine gave up its nukes, and not regime change though.
    Our war aims would need to be to defeat the Russian army.

    And this is supposed to be a sensible discussion board.

    I mean go for it if you want, and I noted @rcs1000's commitment to the cause but are we thinking this through.
    No. If the Russian Army retreated from Ukraine we'd have to let them go, otherwise we would be pushing things beyond the strategic nuclear threshold.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    Bingo.

    Much like smoking I believe it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.

    If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.

    Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.

    Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
    Aaaaaand no. Just no
    Much as I admire your incisive debating prowess I'm guessing that you didn't read what I posted. Which is fair enough given the heat.

    But in a quiet moment perhaps cast your eyes over that and you will realise that I am right.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ydoethur said:

    Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million
    The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.

    The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.

    Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.

    The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html

    Now that is interesting. What does he plan to live in on leaving office if he sells?

    Has he been promised a job by Truss?

    Or is he in such dire financial straits he has no choice?
    Chancellor of the Exchequer. Does Liz want to live in Rishi's flat and avoid the godawful wallpaper?
  • ydoethur said:

    dixiedean said:

    Another bloody hustings?
    How many do they need? Has anyone on here who's eligible not voted because they are undecided? Get on with it FFS!

    I had lunch with several former colleagues today. One thing they talked about was politics, and I was very surprised indeed to find that they all assumed that Rishi Sunak (whom they called 'Big Ears') was a certainty to win the Tory leadership election.

    Either we are getting this completely wrong, or the population as a whole including the intelligent, well-informed section of it, is paying precisely zero attention to what is going on.
    There's a certain part of "intelligent, well informed" conversation that can't see past the end of their nose.

    Hence why to many Brexit came as such a soul-crushing shock that showed that a portion of the population had been "misled" or "didn't understand" the question, because the self-described "intelligent" and "well informed" people knew the correct answer so the incorrect answer had been given.

    It doesn't matter what the polls say, some people will be utterly shocked if Truss wins.
  • ydoethur said:

    Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million
    The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.

    The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.

    Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.

    The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html

    Now that is interesting. What does he plan to live in on leaving office if he sells?

    Has he been promised a job by Truss?

    Or is he in such dire financial straits he has no choice?
    The Johnsons own four homes aiui. Two in Camberwell, one in Oxford and one in the West Country. I dare say a billionaire friend can find them somewhere nice until Boris gets the advance on his memoirs, or possibly leaves to tour the United States.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309
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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309
    I think I've really moved the debate on there. Set new terms, as it were
  • Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    Bingo.

    Much like smoking I believe it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.

    If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.

    Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.

    Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
    Aaaaaand no. Just no
    I rarely press like so hard
    Edit: this announcement brought to you by Alcoholics Pseudonymous
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.

    Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.

    Yes. I think we'd have to be clear that our war aims were only to eject Russian forces from Ukraine, as per the agreements we made when Ukraine gave up its nukes, and not regime change though.
    Our war aims would need to be to defeat the Russian army.

    And this is supposed to be a sensible discussion board.

    I mean go for it if you want, and I noted @rcs1000's commitment to the cause but are we thinking this through.
    The way things are going, we will not need to defeat the Russian army.

    It seems the Russian army (and wider military) are perfectly capable of defeating themselves.
    The Russians have been fighting for nearly six months now, and have so far managed to find enough men and material to keep fighting. There seems to be a lot of fight left in them, and we'd considerably speed up their defeat if we joined the war directly.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    ydoethur said:

    Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million
    The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.

    The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.

    Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.

    The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html

    Now that is interesting. What does he plan to live in on leaving office if he sells?

    Has he been promised a job by Truss?

    Or is he in such dire financial straits he has no choice?
    Presumably subject to CGT too.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    Bingo.

    (Much like smoking I believe) it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.

    If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.

    Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.

    Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
    Are you the Inebriati?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zj50DmBFp0

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million
    The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.

    The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.

    Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.

    The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html

    Now that is interesting. What does he plan to live in on leaving office if he sells?

    Has he been promised a job by Truss?

    Or is he in such dire financial straits he has no choice?
    He will already be negotiating the squillion dollar advance for his memoirs. He is not going to be skint
    I agree. And he really can write. Although they will undoubtedly be a pack of lies, his memoirs will be both entertaining and a guaranteed best seller.

    So why is he selling?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

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    Oh shut up :)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million
    The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.

    The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.

    Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.

    The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html

    Now that is interesting. What does he plan to live in on leaving office if he sells?

    Has he been promised a job by Truss?

    Or is he in such dire financial straits he has no choice?
    He will already be negotiating the squillion dollar advance for his memoirs. He is not going to be skint
    I agree. And he really can write. Although they will undoubtedly be a pack of lies, his memoirs will be both entertaining and a guaranteed best seller.

    So why is he selling?
    Probably BECAUSE they are buying somewhere much nicer

    It's a Victorian terrace in Camberwell. Boris is going to be worth £10m+ very soon

    He will be upgrading to a Georgian terrace in W1, NW1 or W11
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

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    Is there really a second "h" in "scorchio"?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

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    You're basically like Sunil, except you've had sex in the past and are a tad less socially inept.

    A tad.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million
    The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.

    The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.

    Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.

    The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html

    Now that is interesting. What does he plan to live in on leaving office if he sells?

    Has he been promised a job by Truss?

    Or is he in such dire financial straits he has no choice?
    He will already be negotiating the squillion dollar advance for his memoirs. He is not going to be skint
    I agree. And he really can write. Although they will undoubtedly be a pack of lies, his memoirs will be both entertaining and a guaranteed best seller.

    So why is he selling?
    Moving to the US?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309

    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

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    You're basically like Sunil, except you've had sex in the past and are a tad less socially inept.

    A tad.
    Also, we've both been to Wick
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million
    The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.

    The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.

    Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.

    The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html

    Now that is interesting. What does he plan to live in on leaving office if he sells?

    Has he been promised a job by Truss?

    Or is he in such dire financial straits he has no choice?
    He will already be negotiating the squillion dollar advance for his memoirs. He is not going to be skint
    I agree. And he really can write. Although they will undoubtedly be a pack of lies, his memoirs will be both entertaining and a guaranteed best seller.

    So why is he selling?
    Probably because, knowing their client is Boris Johnson, they want to see some chapters actually written first?
  • kle4 said:

    16 times being late to register is a pretty significant number to be believably regarded as inadvertent, without use of 'I'm an idiot' defence.

    Similar to parties get fined for not registering electoral expenses properly and whinge about it being confusing, when even if it is the mainstream parties easily have the resources to make it very clear for their officials, so it is not believable they did not understand.
    As I said the other day, this is too common, and there is no obvious gain for not registering, that one must suspect the process is not straightforward enough.
    Or they know they can just say ooopsie, my bad and get off with no consequences like SKS snd Lammy
    But there are no good consequences, even if the bad ones are less bad than you'd like. There is nothing to gain by missing registration deadlines. It is incompetence, but probably the process is wrong too.
  • Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million
    The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.

    The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.

    Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.

    The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html

    That's not a "townhouse" , it's just a bog standard South London Victoria terraced house. I live in one not wholly dissimilar and it's definitely not a townhouse, whatever that even is.
    Well, to me, three floors qualifies as a "townhouse".
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Clare Grogan on Radio 2 has chosen Mmm-bop as one of the tracks of her years.

    Where PB leads...

    Odd how much good music is from Glasgow.
    Dunno, it’s profile isn’t that different from Liverpool’s*. And there is the musical marching tradition of course..

    *not necessarily a recommendation in your view istr 🙂

    Well, no. Compare, say, Twist and Shout with, say, Twist and Shout. No contest, and the winning city also has fratellis, del Amitri, Amy, Franz Ferdinand, aztec Camera, ultravox....
    And not to mention Orange Juice, Simple Minds (before U2ification), Donovan, Primal Scream, Frankie Miller, Belle and Sebastian and the guvnor, Alex Harvey.
    Sadly I missed Donovan a couple of years ago at our local festival, but apparently an object lesson in not overdoing the LSD for too many decades. Belle and Sebastian for sure.
    Got taken along to see Donovan in Reading maybe 15 years back and was somewhat surprised to discover that his drummer was Rat Scabies....
    I've never seen Donovan (although I have seen his son in a band who supported the Monkees, called Nancy Boy) but I have been to Sunny Googe (autocorrected as Google) Street, does that count?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,802
    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

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    Very, very pleasant in Polzeath. Or, slightly too hot, but when hot, I can go in the sea and cool down. And, yes, it's still Britishly bracing to get in, but very nice once you're in. You can bob about happily for some time without getting at all chilly. It's not just 'ooh, isn't this bracing' pleasant, it's actually pleasant. Unheard of in British waters. And then you come out and the sun warms you up straight away and you are dry in two or three minutes.

    And all this without any faff with airports or languages or shops selling all the wrong stuff.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    Bingo.

    (Much like smoking I believe) it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.

    If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.

    Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.

    Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
    Are you the Inebriati?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zj50DmBFp0

    One of life's immeasurable joys (for me) is to take the gin (Sipsmiths) out of the freezer, the fevertree full fat out of the fridge and pour one third two thirds of each into a nice cut crystal glass.

    That first sip is the most amazing, sharp, hit. Same as if you get a martini at Drakes (where they limit you to two only) or even The Stafford.

    Absolutely nothing like it.

    But three down the line, then onto supper and some wine then perhaps a sticky is not a good recipe for the following day.

    And midweek I am increasingly preferring having a clear head in the morning than a drunken one in the evening. Not that a couple of beers or even a gin midweek would take me out of the game the next day but I really do like that clear, sharp head. Most people who have given up/cut down their alcohol say the same thing.

    I don't think I'll ever give up completely but the thought of it is not out of the question (current wine stocks mean that will be some time down the line if I never bought another bottle of decent aldi red, of which there are many).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309
    edited August 2022
    Collins Dictionary

    "What does townhouse mean in the UK?

    1. a terraced house in an urban area, esp a fashionable one, often having the main living room on the first floor with an integral garage on the ground floor. 2. a person's town residence as distinct from his or her country residence."

    Boris is not a toff with a country pile, so definition 2 is out. As for 1, it kinda fits the description as a building, but Camberwell, despite some nice period streets, is not "fashionable" in London terms

    VERDICT: No, not a townhouse
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

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    You're basically like Sunil, except you've had sex in the past and are a tad less socially inept.

    A tad.
    Also, we've both been to Wick
    But has Sunil ever been to Newent?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362
    I know it's not even a proper first-class game, but the England Lions are giving South Africa a right tonking at Canterbury. A massive 239-run lead on the first innings, despite batting for fewer overs, and SA are already 50/3.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

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    Very, very pleasant in Polzeath. Or, slightly too hot, but when hot, I can go in the sea and cool down. And, yes, it's still Britishly bracing to get in, but very nice once you're in. You can bob about happily for some time without getting at all chilly. It's not just 'ooh, isn't this bracing' pleasant, it's actually pleasant. Unheard of in British waters. And then you come out and the sun warms you up straight away and you are dry in two or three minutes.

    And all this without any faff with airports or languages or shops selling all the wrong stuff.
    Ah, I'm jealous!

    My Cornish family are now universally COMPLAINING about the heat. This is unprecedented
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    Bingo.

    (Much like smoking I believe) it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.

    If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.

    Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.

    Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
    Are you the Inebriati?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zj50DmBFp0

    One of life's immeasurable joys (for me) is to take the gin (Sipsmiths) out of the freezer, the fevertree full fat out of the fridge and pour one third two thirds of each into a nice cut crystal glass.

    That first sip is the most amazing, sharp, hit. Same as if you get a martini at Drakes (where they limit you to two only) or even The Stafford.

    Absolutely nothing like it.

    But three down the line, then onto supper and some wine then perhaps a sticky is not a good recipe for the following day.

    And midweek I am increasingly preferring having a clear head in the morning than a drunken one in the evening. Not that a couple of beers or even a gin midweek would take me out of the game the next day but I really do like that clear, sharp head. Most people who have given up/cut down their alcohol say the same thing.

    I don't think I'll ever give up completely but the thought of it is not out of the question (current wine stocks mean that will be some time down the line if I never bought another bottle of decent aldi red, of which there are many).
    Quite rare that the Stafford gets a mention. I've organised a couple of dinners in their cellar - an amusing place.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Leon said:

    Collins Dictionary

    "What does townhouse mean in the UK?

    1. a terraced house in an urban area, esp a fashionable one, often having the main living room on the first floor with an integral garage on the ground floor. 2. a person's town residence as distinct from his or her country residence."

    Boris is not a toff with a country pile, so definition 2 is out. As for 1, it kinda fits the description as a building, but Camberwell, despite some nice period streets, is not "fashionable" in London terms

    VERDICT: No, not a townhouse

    Interesting. 1. sounds like a mews house not a town house. Sitting room on the first floor, dining room on the ground floor and kitchen in the basement gets you to townhouse.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited August 2022

    Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million
    The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.

    The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.

    Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.

    The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html

    That's not a "townhouse" , it's just a bog standard South London Victoria terraced house. I live in one not wholly dissimilar and it's definitely not a townhouse, whatever that even is.
    Townhouse is 3 or more above surface floors.

    So two floors and a basement - bog standard terrace.

    Ground, 1st and 2nd - Townhouse.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited August 2022
    I eat pasta only extremely rarely, preferring julienned celeriac and parsnip which I cook for about 60 seconds and find much tastier than pasta which I view as little more than an edible spoon. Said vegetables are also far less carb-heavy. BUT common sense says there ARE important savourable differences between different shapes of pasta. One can also point to the very many different ways of cutting vegetables in French cuisine. Anyone who says vegetables are vegetables and it doesn't matter how you cut them is missing a lot. Of course it matters!

    So can someone for the sake of my education please post a short list saying which shapes of pasta go best with what types of sauce. Then I will come away with something useful from the discussion. Thx.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

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    You're basically like Sunil, except you've had sex in the past and are a tad less socially inept.

    A tad.
    Also, we've both been to Wick
    But has Sunil ever been to Newent?
    Not by train he hasn't, unless he's a lot older than he looks.

    Train to Ledbury and a long walk via Dymock?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    Bingo.

    (Much like smoking I believe) it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.

    If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.

    Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.

    Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
    Are you the Inebriati?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zj50DmBFp0

    One of life's immeasurable joys (for me) is to take the gin (Sipsmiths) out of the freezer, the fevertree full fat out of the fridge and pour one third two thirds of each into a nice cut crystal glass.

    That first sip is the most amazing, sharp, hit. Same as if you get a martini at Drakes (where they limit you to two only) or even The Stafford.

    Absolutely nothing like it.

    But three down the line, then onto supper and some wine then perhaps a sticky is not a good recipe for the following day.

    And midweek I am increasingly preferring having a clear head in the morning than a drunken one in the evening. Not that a couple of beers or even a gin midweek would take me out of the game the next day but I really do like that clear, sharp head. Most people who have given up/cut down their alcohol say the same thing.

    I don't think I'll ever give up completely but the thought of it is not out of the question (current wine stocks mean that will be some time down the line if I never bought another bottle of decent aldi red, of which there are many).
    You can get the same sharp clear head by fasting, and then you can still drink. I'm not kidding. Fasting is amazing for speeding the brain. Silicon Valley moguls do it, when they need turbo brain power

    If I go without food for 24 hours the next morning I can sit down and write a blistering op-ed for the Knapper's Gazette in about 30 minutes

    And of course it helps keep the weight off
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    Bingo.

    (Much like smoking I believe) it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.

    If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.

    Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.

    Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
    Are you the Inebriati?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zj50DmBFp0

    One of life's immeasurable joys (for me) is to take the gin (Sipsmiths) out of the freezer, the fevertree full fat out of the fridge and pour one third two thirds of each into a nice cut crystal glass.

    That first sip is the most amazing, sharp, hit. Same as if you get a martini at Drakes (where they limit you to two only) or even The Stafford.

    Absolutely nothing like it.

    But three down the line, then onto supper and some wine then perhaps a sticky is not a good recipe for the following day.

    And midweek I am increasingly preferring having a clear head in the morning than a drunken one in the evening. Not that a couple of beers or even a gin midweek would take me out of the game the next day but I really do like that clear, sharp head. Most people who have given up/cut down their alcohol say the same thing.

    I don't think I'll ever give up completely but the thought of it is not out of the question (current wine stocks mean that will be some time down the line if I never bought another bottle of decent aldi red, of which there are many).
    Quite rare that the Stafford gets a mention. I've organised a couple of dinners in their cellar - an amusing place.
    I hated the refurb - ruined the American Bar as far as I'm concerned. But they do mix a mean martini. Drakes for me from now on for that hit. Last time I was there some bloke stood up in the main bar room, took two steps and fell headlong into a party of four at the adjacent table. Excellent stuff.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

    SCORCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


    OOOOOOOOOOO

    OO

    Yes, I have very little to do

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    You're basically like Sunil, except you've had sex in the past and are a tad less socially inept.

    A tad.
    Also, we've both been to Wick
    But has Sunil ever been to Newent?
    Not by train he hasn't, unless he's a lot older than he looks.

    Train to Ledbury and a long walk via Dymock?
    You can cycle it, which is somewhat quicker.

    Lovely cycle route as well all through the woods. At its best in the spring when the daffs are out.
  • @Leon do you like New Orleans rhythm and blues?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited August 2022

    kle4 said:

    16 times being late to register is a pretty significant number to be believably regarded as inadvertent, without use of 'I'm an idiot' defence.

    Similar to parties get fined for not registering electoral expenses properly and whinge about it being confusing, when even if it is the mainstream parties easily have the resources to make it very clear for their officials, so it is not believable they did not understand.
    As I said the other day, this is too common, and there is no obvious gain for not registering, that one must suspect the process is not straightforward enough.
    Or they know they can just say ooopsie, my bad and get off with no consequences like SKS snd Lammy
    But there are no good consequences, even if the bad ones are less bad than you'd like. There is nothing to gain by missing registration deadlines. It is incompetence, but probably the process is wrong too.
    Some of it in both recent examples relates to income. Its imperative we know who is paying our MPs, for what, promptly. They also know this.
    And as for process..... we don't get to inadvertantly file tax returns late and get away with it. Its not incompetence, its that they dont give a shit and/or consider themselves too important
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    edited August 2022
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    Bingo.

    (Much like smoking I believe) it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.

    If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.

    Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.

    Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
    Are you the Inebriati?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zj50DmBFp0

    One of life's immeasurable joys (for me) is to take the gin (Sipsmiths) out of the freezer, the fevertree full fat out of the fridge and pour one third two thirds of each into a nice cut crystal glass.

    That first sip is the most amazing, sharp, hit. Same as if you get a martini at Drakes (where they limit you to two only) or even The Stafford.

    Absolutely nothing like it.

    But three down the line, then onto supper and some wine then perhaps a sticky is not a good recipe for the following day.

    And midweek I am increasingly preferring having a clear head in the morning than a drunken one in the evening. Not that a couple of beers or even a gin midweek would take me out of the game the next day but I really do like that clear, sharp head. Most people who have given up/cut down their alcohol say the same thing.

    I don't think I'll ever give up completely but the thought of it is not out of the question (current wine stocks mean that will be some time down the line if I never bought another bottle of decent aldi red, of which there are many).
    You can get the same sharp clear head by fasting, and then you can still drink. I'm not kidding. Fasting is amazing for speeding the brain. Silicon Valley moguls do it, when they need turbo brain power

    If I go without food for 24 hours the next morning I can sit down and write a blistering op-ed for the Knapper's Gazette in about 30 minutes

    And of course it helps keep the weight off
    Yeah I hear you. But I am too greedy. I might fast if I skipped breakfast, was busy over lunch and arrive at 7-8pm not having eaten. But other than that it ain't gonna happen.

    Of course cutting out alcohol is probably the easiest route to weight loss. As long as you have water instead.

    Some time ago I used to have to lose weight for my chosen sport and I did feel rather ascetic about it. I can this minute taste the solitary piece of chorizo from their pasta that I was given by a friend when a group of us went out for dinner and I, as usual, had nothing. The Fire Station in London Bridge. Fantastic. And 30 years ago.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Phuket. Gonna sack off work at 3pm tomorrow and drive to Hayling Island.

    Plunge in.
  • Hustings at 7. Here is the Sun's stream; others will be available.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Teb-e7DkcT8
  • Dynamo said:

    I eat pasta only extremely rarely, preferring julienned celeriac and parsnip which I cook for about 60 seconds and find much tastier than pasta which I view as little more than an edible spoon. Said vegetables are also far less carb-heavy. BUT common sense says there ARE important savourable differences between different shapes of pasta. One can also point to the very many different ways of cutting vegetables in French cuisine. Anyone who says vegetables are vegetables and it doesn't matter how you cut them is missing a lot. Of course it matters!

    So can someone for the sake of my education please post a short list saying which shapes of pasta go best with what types of sauce. Then I will come away with something useful from the discussion. Thx.

    Silent violins do confuse outsiders
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Collins Dictionary

    "What does townhouse mean in the UK?

    1. a terraced house in an urban area, esp a fashionable one, often having the main living room on the first floor with an integral garage on the ground floor. 2. a person's town residence as distinct from his or her country residence."

    Boris is not a toff with a country pile, so definition 2 is out. As for 1, it kinda fits the description as a building, but Camberwell, despite some nice period streets, is not "fashionable" in London terms

    VERDICT: No, not a townhouse

    Interesting. 1. sounds like a mews house not a town house. Sitting room on the first floor, dining room on the ground floor and kitchen in the basement gets you to townhouse.
    Yes, the garage thing is weird. How many period London terrace houses have a garage on the ground floor? Just a few odd modern ones, and a few mews houses (which are converted stables, of course). It is definitely not standard

    I've lived in a few genuine townhouses; I now live in a converted townhouse

    I rented one in my late 20s/early 30s on Thornhill Crescent in Barnsbury, N1, shared with friends. We had the whole house and garden, with multiple bed rooms, conservatory, attic, little roof terrace, balconies, the works

    The rent was extremely reasonable such that young people in London on decent but not amazing wages could afford it. An entire house like that is now worth £2.5 million, and I don't think people in their late 20s on OK wages could easily rent it

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/details/england-89642579-11644330?s=9d8f7dc350874be9daf2707ae0cb69be2699d388968345efc779f561ba3ac339#/


    It was an absolute blast, tho. The parties!

    At one of them a member of Bananarama got fucked on the tumble dryer. Scenes
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    ydoethur said:

    Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million
    The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.

    Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.

    The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.

    Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.

    The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html

    Now that is interesting. What does he plan to live in on leaving office if he sells?

    Has he been promised a job by Truss?

    Or is he in such dire financial straits he has no choice?
    Did he find a tenant for the house he owns in Oxfordshire? That's the place he came out from carrying a tray of mugs of tea for the hacks. Last year he was only looking to let it on a 12-month lease:

    https://www.onthemarket.com/details/10256588/
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

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    You're basically like Sunil, except you've had sex in the past and are a tad less socially inept.

    A tad.
    Also, we've both been to Wick
    But has Sunil ever been to Newent?
    Not by train he hasn't, unless he's a lot older than he looks.

    Train to Ledbury and a long walk via Dymock?
    You can cycle it, which is somewhat quicker.

    Lovely cycle route as well all through the woods. At its best in the spring when the daffs are out.
    You crack on, I'm stopping for a pint at the Full Pitcher before I phone a taxi for the rest of the journey.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited August 2022

    Dynamo said:

    I eat pasta only extremely rarely, preferring julienned celeriac and parsnip which I cook for about 60 seconds and find much tastier than pasta which I view as little more than an edible spoon. Said vegetables are also far less carb-heavy. BUT common sense says there ARE important savourable differences between different shapes of pasta. One can also point to the very many different ways of cutting vegetables in French cuisine. Anyone who says vegetables are vegetables and it doesn't matter how you cut them is missing a lot. Of course it matters!

    So can someone for the sake of my education please post a short list saying which shapes of pasta go best with what types of sauce. Then I will come away with something useful from the discussion. Thx.

    Silent violins do confuse outsiders
    Is there anything other than snot in your whole personality? Maybe get out of your tiny bourgeois mental village some time.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.

    Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.

    Yes. I think we'd have to be clear that our war aims were only to eject Russian forces from Ukraine, as per the agreements we made when Ukraine gave up its nukes, and not regime change though.
    Our war aims would need to be to defeat the Russian army.

    And this is supposed to be a sensible discussion board.

    I mean go for it if you want, and I noted @rcs1000's commitment to the cause but are we thinking this through.
    No. If the Russian Army retreated from Ukraine we'd have to let them go, otherwise we would be pushing things beyond the strategic nuclear threshold.
    But retreated from each and every bit of Ukraine that Ukraine considers to be Ukraine.

    And a new regime in Belarus too, please.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749
    rcs1000 said:

    Chris said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.

    Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.

    Yes, let's start World War Three. That's bound to get the cost of energy down.
    Every day we don't stick up to Putin, he gets his claws into another autocrat (or would be autocrat), and the entire Western order is put at risk.
    Have you ever thought of standing for the leadership of the Tory party? I think you may have what it takes.
  • kle4 said:

    16 times being late to register is a pretty significant number to be believably regarded as inadvertent, without use of 'I'm an idiot' defence.

    Similar to parties get fined for not registering electoral expenses properly and whinge about it being confusing, when even if it is the mainstream parties easily have the resources to make it very clear for their officials, so it is not believable they did not understand.
    As I said the other day, this is too common, and there is no obvious gain for not registering, that one must suspect the process is not straightforward enough.
    Or they know they can just say ooopsie, my bad and get off with no consequences like SKS snd Lammy
    But there are no good consequences, even if the bad ones are less bad than you'd like. There is nothing to gain by missing registration deadlines. It is incompetence, but probably the process is wrong too.
    Some of it in both recent examples relates to income. Its imperative we know who is paying our MPs, for what, promptly. They also know this.
    And as for process..... we don't get to inadvertantly file tax returns late and get away with it. Its not incompetence, its that they dont give a shit and/or consider themselves too important
    Yes it is vital but analogies with tax returns or election expenses do not fit because in those cases there is a benefit. Because it is so important, I should like to see the process cleaned up and made frictionless.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    kle4 said:

    16 times being late to register is a pretty significant number to be believably regarded as inadvertent, without use of 'I'm an idiot' defence.

    Similar to parties get fined for not registering electoral expenses properly and whinge about it being confusing, when even if it is the mainstream parties easily have the resources to make it very clear for their officials, so it is not believable they did not understand.
    As I said the other day, this is too common, and there is no obvious gain for not registering, that one must suspect the process is not straightforward enough.
    Or they know they can just say ooopsie, my bad and get off with no consequences like SKS snd Lammy
    But there are no good consequences, even if the bad ones are less bad than you'd like. There is nothing to gain by missing registration deadlines. It is incompetence, but probably the process is wrong too.
    Some of it in both recent examples relates to income. Its imperative we know who is paying our MPs, for what, promptly. They also know this.
    And as for process..... we don't get to inadvertantly file tax returns late and get away with it. Its not incompetence, its that they dont give a shit and/or consider themselves too important
    Yes it is vital but analogies with tax returns or election expenses do not fit because in those cases there is a benefit. Because it is so important, I should like to see the process cleaned up and made frictionless.
    Id like that too as long as the 'inadvertant' bullshit get out of jail free ends
  • Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    I eat pasta only extremely rarely, preferring julienned celeriac and parsnip which I cook for about 60 seconds and find much tastier than pasta which I view as little more than an edible spoon. Said vegetables are also far less carb-heavy. BUT common sense says there ARE important savourable differences between different shapes of pasta. One can also point to the very many different ways of cutting vegetables in French cuisine. Anyone who says vegetables are vegetables and it doesn't matter how you cut them is missing a lot. Of course it matters!

    So can someone for the sake of my education please post a short list saying which shapes of pasta go best with what types of sauce. Then I will come away with something useful from the discussion. Thx.

    Silent violins do confuse outsiders
    Is there anything other than snot in your whole personality? Maybe get out of your tiny bourgeois mental village some time.
    Why herd, when you can third?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Chris said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chris said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.

    Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.

    Yes, let's start World War Three. That's bound to get the cost of energy down.
    Every day we don't stick up to Putin, he gets his claws into another autocrat (or would be autocrat), and the entire Western order is put at risk.
    Have you ever thought of standing for the leadership of the Tory party? I think you may have what it takes.
    Are you suggesting the site administrator is insane?

    Because if so, you're taking an even bigger risk than the Radiohead dissers.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,156

    IshmaelZ said:

    This is superb. all of it.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-crisis-at-the-heart-of-the-modern-conservative-party

    Many on the left would be shocked by how apolitical most of the Conservative party is. There is currently no theory in conservative politics. I suspect no more than a handful of Tory MPs have ever read Burke or Hayek, unless they cropped up on a PPE reading list. They will be far more familiar with Isabel Oakeshott than Michael.

    ...

    Rather than principles or goals, the Tory party today lives for day-to-day reactions to the things that catch its eye. Most MPs have no understanding of economics, but instead repeat half-remembered maxims about lower taxes (we are, it seems, forever to the right of the Laffer curve), whilst at the same time celebrating the latest boondoggle that happens to land in their constituency. In the same vein, you see the Tory MPs who have started to get their head around the housing crisis call for more housebuilding everywhere except where it threatens some historic carpark or ‘sacred’ waste site on their patch. They will tweet almost back-to-back about the unaffordability of homes and their objection to any new development.

    ...

    It is not that the Conservative party is deliberately and mindfully pursuing ends inimical to British interests. Tory MPs do, mostly, want a prosperous and safe country. They’ve just lost any sense of what that means beyond platitudes, or how to engage with the challenges that stand in our way. The party would rather hide behind the curtain, pulling at levers that aren’t attached to anything.

    They're out of energy and ideas. They should do the country a favour and resign en masse. Labour may or may not be equally clueless but it's worth at least testing the proposition.
    Time For A Change is feeling unstoppable to me even without Labour being explicit about what the change would be. Making the case for yet another term of Tory government is going to be as difficult as getting a burglar off when he's been caught halfway down the stairs with a guilty expression and an overflowing swagbag. Can't see Liz Truss being able to do it. I actually think Boris Johnson would have had a better chance.
  • Betfair next prime minister
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  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    Chris said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.

    Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.

    Yes, let's start World War Three. That's bound to get the cost of energy down.
    Indeed. Basic economics says so. No energy sources will be damaged, or anything like that. No transport or distribution facilities either. And of course every country will be in a much stronger position to pay all of its debts in good time, so the international financial system will be as stable as f***.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567

    @Leon do you like New Orleans rhythm and blues?

    Play a game with friends. Called First Night in Heaven. The premise is you get through the Pearly Gates, but suspect there has been an admin mix up that will be rectified in the morning. Which dead artist would you see that (possibly only) night in Heaven?

    For me, tough call between Bob Marley and Professor Longhair.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    edited August 2022
    Wow. Pretty strong stuff from Beto O'Rourke, if authentic.

    https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1557564021498413056

    Edit - does appear to be authentic.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    I eat pasta only extremely rarely, preferring julienned celeriac and parsnip which I cook for about 60 seconds and find much tastier than pasta which I view as little more than an edible spoon. Said vegetables are also far less carb-heavy. BUT common sense says there ARE important savourable differences between different shapes of pasta. One can also point to the very many different ways of cutting vegetables in French cuisine. Anyone who says vegetables are vegetables and it doesn't matter how you cut them is missing a lot. Of course it matters!

    So can someone for the sake of my education please post a short list saying which shapes of pasta go best with what types of sauce. Then I will come away with something useful from the discussion. Thx.

    Silent violins do confuse outsiders
    Is there anything other than snot in your whole personality? Maybe get out of your tiny bourgeois mental village some time.
    Why herd, when you can third?
    So no, there isn't anything other than snot. I thought as much. I love it when I tell someone "you can't speak without doing X, can you?" and then they do X to prove it. You sound as if you are wearing a suit of armour a foot thick.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    Dynamo said:

    I eat pasta only extremely rarely, preferring julienned celeriac and parsnip which I cook for about 60 seconds and find much tastier than pasta which I view as little more than an edible spoon. Said vegetables are also far less carb-heavy. BUT common sense says there ARE important savourable differences between different shapes of pasta. One can also point to the very many different ways of cutting vegetables in French cuisine. Anyone who says vegetables are vegetables and it doesn't matter how you cut them is missing a lot. Of course it matters!

    So can someone for the sake of my education please post a short list saying which shapes of pasta go best with what types of sauce. Then I will come away with something useful from the discussion. Thx.

    Alphabet letters are best enjoyed in a sweet, tomato-based sauce, superheated and stored in a tin until consumed.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Hustings at 7. Here is the Sun's stream; others will be available.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Teb-e7DkcT8

    Thanks for the warning.
    It's a lovely evening. Shame to waste it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658
    ydoethur said:

    Chris said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chris said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.

    Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.

    Yes, let's start World War Three. That's bound to get the cost of energy down.
    Every day we don't stick up to Putin, he gets his claws into another autocrat (or would be autocrat), and the entire Western order is put at risk.
    Have you ever thought of standing for the leadership of the Tory party? I think you may have what it takes.
    Are you suggesting the site administrator is insane?

    Because if so, you're taking an even bigger risk than the Radiohead dissers.
    "I'm not saying we won't get our hair mussed, maybe 10 to 20 million killed, tops depending on the breaks..."

    https://youtu.be/EcK6ad_t9ak

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ydoethur said:

    Wow. Pretty strong stuff from Beto O'Rourke, if authentic.

    https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1557564021498413056

    Beto using language like that warrants a self defence plea in Texas when the mother****** blows his head off.
  • Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    I eat pasta only extremely rarely, preferring julienned celeriac and parsnip which I cook for about 60 seconds and find much tastier than pasta which I view as little more than an edible spoon. Said vegetables are also far less carb-heavy. BUT common sense says there ARE important savourable differences between different shapes of pasta. One can also point to the very many different ways of cutting vegetables in French cuisine. Anyone who says vegetables are vegetables and it doesn't matter how you cut them is missing a lot. Of course it matters!

    So can someone for the sake of my education please post a short list saying which shapes of pasta go best with what types of sauce. Then I will come away with something useful from the discussion. Thx.

    Silent violins do confuse outsiders
    Is there anything other than snot in your whole personality? Maybe get out of your tiny bourgeois mental village some time.
    Why herd, when you can third?
    So no, there isn't anything other than snot. I thought as much. I love it when I tell someone "you can't speak without doing X, can you?" and then they do X to prove it. You sound as if you are wearing a suit of armour a foot thick.
    Those peculiar wilted greens won't save your soul
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362
    Germany is now also joining the UK training programme for Ukrainian soldiers, for a total of 8 countries contributing in addition to the UK.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-allies-agree-expanded-international-fund-for-ukraine-support

    At least Ben Wallace is still at work.
  • @Leon do you like New Orleans rhythm and blues?

    Play a game with friends. Called First Night in Heaven. The premise is you get through the Pearly Gates, but suspect there has been an admin mix up that will be rectified in the morning. Which dead artist would you see that (possibly only) night in Heaven?

    For me, tough call between Bob Marley and Professor Longhair.
    MM, check this chap out

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAitUpNYYDM
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me it is hot again in London

    SCORCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


    OOOOOOOOOOO

    OO

    Yes, I have very little to do

    SCORCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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    000

    0000

    00000000

    0000000000000000000000000




    oooooooOOOOOH

    Very, very pleasant in Polzeath. Or, slightly too hot, but when hot, I can go in the sea and cool down. And, yes, it's still Britishly bracing to get in, but very nice once you're in. You can bob about happily for some time without getting at all chilly. It's not just 'ooh, isn't this bracing' pleasant, it's actually pleasant. Unheard of in British waters. And then you come out and the sun warms you up straight away and you are dry in two or three minutes.

    And all this without any faff with airports or languages or shops selling all the wrong stuff.
    Ah, I'm jealous!

    My Cornish family are now universally COMPLAINING about the heat. This is unprecedented
    Meanwhile the temperature in MD has come down to a very pleasant 88F - barely over 30C
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765

    Dynamo said:

    I eat pasta only extremely rarely, preferring julienned celeriac and parsnip which I cook for about 60 seconds and find much tastier than pasta which I view as little more than an edible spoon. Said vegetables are also far less carb-heavy. BUT common sense says there ARE important savourable differences between different shapes of pasta. One can also point to the very many different ways of cutting vegetables in French cuisine. Anyone who says vegetables are vegetables and it doesn't matter how you cut them is missing a lot. Of course it matters!

    So can someone for the sake of my education please post a short list saying which shapes of pasta go best with what types of sauce. Then I will come away with something useful from the discussion. Thx.

    Alphabet letters are best enjoyed in a sweet, tomato-based sauce, superheated and stored in a tin until consumed.
    I really used to like alphabetti spaghetti. I also loved Heinz's macaroni cheese - it seems to have changed. All the baked bean tins were pretty good too - even the beans with mini burgers.

    I have eaten at some pretty swanky Italian restaurants, and some obscure and totally stunning ones too. I think though that Heinz's macaroni cheese (with whatever recipe they used in the 70s) would be my favourite ever pasta dish in terms of total enjoyment at that time and place.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309

    @Leon do you like New Orleans rhythm and blues?

    Not enormously. no. I will listen to almost anything if it is presented to me - my iTunes library is ridiculously eclectic, from Gregorian chants to Philip Glass to the Entire Works of Busted - but I would not seek out that genre
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    edited August 2022
    Omnium said:

    Dynamo said:

    I eat pasta only extremely rarely, preferring julienned celeriac and parsnip which I cook for about 60 seconds and find much tastier than pasta which I view as little more than an edible spoon. Said vegetables are also far less carb-heavy. BUT common sense says there ARE important savourable differences between different shapes of pasta. One can also point to the very many different ways of cutting vegetables in French cuisine. Anyone who says vegetables are vegetables and it doesn't matter how you cut them is missing a lot. Of course it matters!

    So can someone for the sake of my education please post a short list saying which shapes of pasta go best with what types of sauce. Then I will come away with something useful from the discussion. Thx.

    Alphabet letters are best enjoyed in a sweet, tomato-based sauce, superheated and stored in a tin until consumed.
    I really used to like alphabetti spaghetti. I also loved Heinz's macaroni cheese - it seems to have changed. All the baked bean tins were pretty good too - even the beans with mini burgers.

    I have eaten at some pretty swanky Italian restaurants, and some obscure and totally stunning ones too. I think though that Heinz's macaroni cheese (with whatever recipe they used in the 70s) would be my favourite ever pasta dish in terms of total enjoyment at that time and place.
    The funny thing is that that stuff at that time, the Heinz tinned macaroni, had an emetic effect on me. I could never keep it down. And no, that wasn't a matter of what I drank with it.

    Glad to hear the recipe has changed - but I daren't even try now.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309
    OK, I'm gonna have to go to the gym JUST FOR THE AIRCON

    Later
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Leon said:

    OK, I'm gonna have to go to the gym JUST FOR THE AIRCON

    Later

    I'd rather spend time wandering around a supermarket chillzone, no judgement for doing nothing there.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited August 2022

    Germany is now also joining the UK training programme for Ukrainian soldiers, for a total of 8 countries contributing in addition to the UK.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-allies-agree-expanded-international-fund-for-ukraine-support

    At least Ben Wallace is still at work.

    Future Deputy PM Ben Wallace perhaps

    (not that that role realistically is more important)

    It's kind of weird how much we are in a proxy war, just with oddly clear boundaries of what we won't do.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    Dynamo said:

    I eat pasta only extremely rarely, preferring julienned celeriac and parsnip which I cook for about 60 seconds and find much tastier than pasta which I view as little more than an edible spoon. Said vegetables are also far less carb-heavy. BUT common sense says there ARE important savourable differences between different shapes of pasta. One can also point to the very many different ways of cutting vegetables in French cuisine. Anyone who says vegetables are vegetables and it doesn't matter how you cut them is missing a lot. Of course it matters!

    So can someone for the sake of my education please post a short list saying which shapes of pasta go best with what types of sauce. Then I will come away with something useful from the discussion. Thx.

    Alphabet letters are best enjoyed in a sweet, tomato-based sauce, superheated and stored in a tin until consumed.
    I really used to like alphabetti spaghetti. I also loved Heinz's macaroni cheese - it seems to have changed. All the baked bean tins were pretty good too - even the beans with mini burgers.

    I have eaten at some pretty swanky Italian restaurants, and some obscure and totally stunning ones too. I think though that Heinz's macaroni cheese (with whatever recipe they used in the 70s) would be my favourite ever pasta dish in terms of total enjoyment at that time and place.
    The funny thing is that that stuff at that time, the Heinz tinned macaroni, had an emetic effect on me. I could never keep it down. And no, that wasn't a matter of what I drank with it.

    Glad to hear the recipe has changed - but I daren't even try now.
    Well if you see tins of ancient Heinz fiendishness changing hands on ebay for millions you'll know who the buyer is. (I genuinely would pay 100 quid to have a fresh tin of the stuff with the 1970's recipe - just to see if that taste was still available, or whether my taste buds have changed.) Not buying old tins though!
  • Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    Bingo.

    Much like smoking I believe it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.

    If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.

    Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.

    Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
    Aaaaaand no. Just no
    One thing they have in abundance here in Spain is Radler. Choose your favourite beer (Mmmmm Mahou 5 Star), cut the strength a lot and add strong lemonade. The brilliant session beer for a hot day.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    ydoethur said:

    Wow. Pretty strong stuff from Beto O'Rourke, if authentic.

    https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1557564021498413056

    Edit - does appear to be authentic.

    Wow. Whilst I don't generally approve of speaking so even to a (presumed) opponent or idiot, sometimes it is positive to see a very genuine, unpolished human reaction from a politician (see also Jenkins explaining how she snapped for second when she flipped off those protestors).
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,156
    Leon said:

    @Leon do you like New Orleans rhythm and blues?

    Not enormously. no. I will listen to almost anything if it is presented to me - my iTunes library is ridiculously eclectic, from Gregorian chants to Philip Glass to the Entire Works of Busted - but I would not seek out that genre
    What about Charlie Simpson's solo stuff?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    OK, I'm gonna have to go to the gym JUST FOR THE AIRCON

    Later

    I'd rather spend time wandering around a supermarket chillzone, no judgement for doing nothing there.
    Yeah but in the gym you get stared at by gay men
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    kle4 said:

    Germany is now also joining the UK training programme for Ukrainian soldiers, for a total of 8 countries contributing in addition to the UK.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-allies-agree-expanded-international-fund-for-ukraine-support

    At least Ben Wallace is still at work.

    Future Deputy PM Ben Wallace perhaps

    (not that that role realistically is more important)

    It's kind of weird how much we are in a proxy war, just with oddly clear boundaries of what we won't do.
    It's similar to the other proxy wars. Russia is fully comitted and losing horribly, the US was fully commited and lost horribly in VietNam. In both cases the support of 'neutral' proxy nations influenced the wars substantially. I'm not sure that the principal forces at work in these conflicts were the proxy-combatants though.

    I expect Russia to lose this war and lose it with substantial wounds.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    OK, I'm gonna have to go to the gym JUST FOR THE AIRCON

    Later

    I'd rather spend time wandering around a supermarket chillzone, no judgement for doing nothing there.
    Yeah but in the gym you get stared at by gay men
    It may be my lack of confidence but I fear I would not attract enticing stares.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    https://summit.news/2022/08/08/head-of-the-lancets-covid-19-investigation-is-convinced-it-came-out-of-a-lab/

    This is extremely damning on Covid.

    It seems highly likely now that Covid was engineered to be more deadly by US scientists, then released, whether by accident or, God forbid, design.

    The committee overseeing this research is anonymous and totally unnacountable to the legislature in the US.

    Whether released deliberately or by accident, this is a crime that has taken 6 million lives, and has cost economies countless billions. It dwarves any misdemeanours committed by any country since the middle part of the last century.

    We need to establish if this is true, and if it is, the USA needs to be sued back into the stone age.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    OK, I'm gonna have to go to the gym JUST FOR THE AIRCON

    Later

    I'd rather spend time wandering around a supermarket chillzone, no judgement for doing nothing there.
    Yeah but in the gym you get stared at by gay men
    Are you sure you are not flattering yourself?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    OK, I'm gonna have to go to the gym JUST FOR THE AIRCON

    Later

    I'd rather spend time wandering around a supermarket chillzone, no judgement for doing nothing there.
    Yeah but in the gym you get stared at by gay men
    You don't in the supermarket of an evening? Remarkable in Islington.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    https://summit.news/2022/08/08/head-of-the-lancets-covid-19-investigation-is-convinced-it-came-out-of-a-lab/

    This is extremely damning on Covid.

    It seems highly likely now that Covid was engineered to be more deadly by US scientists, then released, whether by accident or, God forbid, design.

    The committee overseeing this research is anonymous and totally unnacountable to the legislature in the US.

    Whether released deliberately or by accident, this is a crime that has taken 6 million lives, and has cost economies countless billions. It dwarves any misdemeanours committed by any country since the middle part of the last century.

    We need to establish if this is true, and if it is, the USA needs to be sued back into the stone age.

    Leaving aside any other point, I thought most states enjoyed something called sovereign immunity and as such could not be sued. And would only be subject to an international damages they agreed to. So its presumably a matter of agreed reparations if a state is forced to concede culpability?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    OK, I'm gonna have to go to the gym JUST FOR THE AIRCON

    Later

    I'd rather spend time wandering around a supermarket chillzone, no judgement for doing nothing there.
    Yeah but in the gym you get stared at by gay men
    Interesting. I always find that if I need a bit of a quick ego boost I pop to Waitrose and get perved at by the MILFs.

    Must be a phenomenon as the Daily Mash even brought out their own calendar.


  • ydoethur said:

    Wow. Pretty strong stuff from Beto O'Rourke, if authentic.

    https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1557564021498413056

    Edit - does appear to be authentic.

    I'm sure Mr Ed will be along shortly rending his garments but that was authentically powerfully from Beto.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    kle4 said:

    https://summit.news/2022/08/08/head-of-the-lancets-covid-19-investigation-is-convinced-it-came-out-of-a-lab/

    This is extremely damning on Covid.

    It seems highly likely now that Covid was engineered to be more deadly by US scientists, then released, whether by accident or, God forbid, design.

    The committee overseeing this research is anonymous and totally unnacountable to the legislature in the US.

    Whether released deliberately or by accident, this is a crime that has taken 6 million lives, and has cost economies countless billions. It dwarves any misdemeanours committed by any country since the middle part of the last century.

    We need to establish if this is true, and if it is, the USA needs to be sued back into the stone age.

    Leaving aside any other point, I thought most states enjoyed something called sovereign immunity and as such could not be sued. And would only be subject to an international damages they agreed to. So its presumably a matter of agreed reparations if a state is forced to concede culpability?
    I am not able to answer that because I don't have the legal chops.

    They haven't got the money they would need to settle it anyway. They'd be paying it for generations.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,309

    https://summit.news/2022/08/08/head-of-the-lancets-covid-19-investigation-is-convinced-it-came-out-of-a-lab/

    This is extremely damning on Covid.

    It seems highly likely now that Covid was engineered to be more deadly by US scientists, then released, whether by accident or, God forbid, design.

    The committee overseeing this research is anonymous and totally unnacountable to the legislature in the US.

    Whether released deliberately or by accident, this is a crime that has taken 6 million lives, and has cost economies countless billions. It dwarves any misdemeanours committed by any country since the middle part of the last century.

    We need to establish if this is true, and if it is, the USA needs to be sued back into the stone age.

    Of course it came from the lab. Of course these scientist c*nts are lying. And they’re still lying. ‘The market! The market!’

    Shut up about the fucking market when 99% of overwhelming circumstantial evidence points to the fucking lab ten yards away WHICH WAS DOING DANGEROUS RESEARCH INTO NOVEL BAT CORONAVIRUSES

    A fucking toddler knows it came from the lab

    Urgh. It makes me quite angry. And, for once, justifiably

    20 million people are dead
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Leon said:

    https://summit.news/2022/08/08/head-of-the-lancets-covid-19-investigation-is-convinced-it-came-out-of-a-lab/

    This is extremely damning on Covid.

    It seems highly likely now that Covid was engineered to be more deadly by US scientists, then released, whether by accident or, God forbid, design.

    The committee overseeing this research is anonymous and totally unnacountable to the legislature in the US.

    Whether released deliberately or by accident, this is a crime that has taken 6 million lives, and has cost economies countless billions. It dwarves any misdemeanours committed by any country since the middle part of the last century.

    We need to establish if this is true, and if it is, the USA needs to be sued back into the stone age.

    Of course it came from the lab. Of course these scientist c*nts are lying. And they’re still lying. ‘The market! The market!’

    Shut up about the fucking market when 99% of overwhelming circumstantial evidence points to the fucking lab ten yards away WHICH WAS DOING DANGEROUS RESEARCH INTO NOVEL BAT CORONAVIRUSES

    A fucking toddler knows it came from the lab

    Urgh. It makes me quite angry. And, for once, justifiably

    20 million people are dead
    Back already? No aircon or no gays?
  • TresTres Posts: 2,696

    ydoethur said:

    Wow. Pretty strong stuff from Beto O'Rourke, if authentic.

    https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1557564021498413056

    Edit - does appear to be authentic.

    I'm sure Mr Ed will be along shortly rending his garments but that was authentically powerfully from Beto.
    be doing his hunter biden's laptop routine
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    Leon said:

    https://summit.news/2022/08/08/head-of-the-lancets-covid-19-investigation-is-convinced-it-came-out-of-a-lab/

    This is extremely damning on Covid.

    It seems highly likely now that Covid was engineered to be more deadly by US scientists, then released, whether by accident or, God forbid, design.

    The committee overseeing this research is anonymous and totally unnacountable to the legislature in the US.

    Whether released deliberately or by accident, this is a crime that has taken 6 million lives, and has cost economies countless billions. It dwarves any misdemeanours committed by any country since the middle part of the last century.

    We need to establish if this is true, and if it is, the USA needs to be sued back into the stone age.

    Of course it came from the lab. Of course these scientist c*nts are lying. And they’re still lying. ‘The market! The market!’

    Shut up about the fucking market when 99% of overwhelming circumstantial evidence points to the fucking lab ten yards away WHICH WAS DOING DANGEROUS RESEARCH INTO NOVEL BAT CORONAVIRUSES

    A fucking toddler knows it came from the lab

    Urgh. It makes me quite angry. And, for once, justifiably

    20 million people are dead
    Every country needs to demand from its politicians, what US 'biodefense' research programmes are taking place in their countries, and they need to be stopped, pdq.
  • On topic Labour's leads are modest by historic but I'm not sure how much swingback we'll see when the energy cap hits £5,000.

    The Red Wall Tory MPs will be in stepmom territory.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water

    EVERYONE IS THIRSTY

    I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.

    For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.

    It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?

    Personally, no, I doubt it very much

    I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin

    And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka

    I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
    I have dramatically cut down my alcohol consumption by drinking non-alcoholic beer.

    It's like the placebo effect and opium: we are used to the impact of alcohol, and if we taste something like it, we get many of the effects without the liver damage.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720
    Has anyone thought through what the public's response is going to be to having their energy costs doubled this autumn and then be told the power is going off every night for three hours?

    I humbly submit this will be sub-optimal for Tory polling.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Leon said:

    https://summit.news/2022/08/08/head-of-the-lancets-covid-19-investigation-is-convinced-it-came-out-of-a-lab/

    This is extremely damning on Covid.

    It seems highly likely now that Covid was engineered to be more deadly by US scientists, then released, whether by accident or, God forbid, design.

    The committee overseeing this research is anonymous and totally unnacountable to the legislature in the US.

    Whether released deliberately or by accident, this is a crime that has taken 6 million lives, and has cost economies countless billions. It dwarves any misdemeanours committed by any country since the middle part of the last century.

    We need to establish if this is true, and if it is, the USA needs to be sued back into the stone age.

    Of course it came from the lab. Of course these scientist c*nts are lying. And they’re still lying. ‘The market! The market!’

    Shut up about the fucking market when 99% of overwhelming circumstantial evidence points to the fucking lab ten yards away WHICH WAS DOING DANGEROUS RESEARCH INTO NOVEL BAT CORONAVIRUSES

    A fucking toddler knows it came from the lab

    Urgh. It makes me quite angry. And, for once, justifiably

    20 million people are dead
    Coming from the lab consists of multiple possibilities though. Accidental release is very different from a deliberate release. Assuming that the the gain of function work was the ultimate source, was it risk assessed? Was the ethical review undertaken? Did someone fuck up? It’s not as simple as just saying it came from the lab, you must pay reparations.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    On topic Labour's leads are modest by historic but I'm not sure how much swingback we'll see when the energy cap hits £5,000.

    The Red Wall Tory MPs will be in stepmom territory.

    Shouldn't you tell Opinium?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    On topic Labour's leads are modest by historic but I'm not sure how much swingback we'll see when the energy cap hits £5,000.

    I think this is a very good point. The raw situation is not unrecoverable for the Tories in historic terms, but there are a multitude of factors - length of time in office, Red Wall support drop, cost of living, etc - which mean that while it cannot be guaranteed they cannot recover, it will not be easy and blithe assumptions they will autoamtically are pinning a lot on that hope.
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