If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
Surely there comes a point where this is scaremongering though?
I'm not saying it's not 'possibly' true, and clearly something needs to be done but a lot of this could be doomcasting.
Assuming the govt does not intervene, then the October price cap is almost known already, only one more week of relevant data, and should be around £3600. The ones beyond that are estimates but on track to be further significant increases again.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I can think of a second living former Tory leader who’s backing Truss: namely Johnson. He hasn’t explicitly said it, but we all know.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I can think of a second living former Tory leader who’s backing Truss: namely Johnson. He hasn’t explicitly said it, but we all know.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I have always thought Sunak overrated. However, I judge Lightweight Lizzy by the company she keeps. If she surprises us and genuinely unites the party, I will make a U-turn on her of such magnitude that you will all be calling me @williamglenn
Surely there comes a point where this is scaremongering though?
I'm not saying it's not 'possibly' true, and clearly something needs to be done but a lot of this could be doomcasting.
Arrived at work tonight to be told “we might have to shut the shop” last week the electric bill came in 10 x dearer today the gas came in, from £900 to £10,058.59 it’s a small family run business here since 1982 this would be tragic! 😢
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
He's certainly rich, though I've no desire to enjoy Liz Truss's mouthfeel.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Apparently imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, though sincerity doesn't strike me as Lizzy's strongest suit.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Early and middle Maggie = Sunak. Late crankier Maggie = Truss.
If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
Hmm. My instinct has always been that Truss is an IDS-type dud. However, I have been slightly reassured by her performance so far, and she is more flavoursome than the quiet man - a bit of northern couthiness about her.
Even so, Rishi outclasses her by a country mile.
I recall a political sage explaining FDR's greatness. A second-class intellect allied to a first-class temperament. That's Rishi albeit on a lesser scale.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I can think of a second living former Tory leader who’s backing Truss: namely Johnson. He hasn’t explicitly said it, but we all know.
I think the word "leader" needs to be applied with some caution.
Another bloody hustings? How many do they need? Has anyone on here who's eligible not voted because they are undecided? Get on with it FFS!
I had lunch with several former colleagues today. One thing they talked about was politics, and I was very surprised indeed to find that they all assumed that Rishi Sunak (whom they called 'Big Ears') was a certainty to win the Tory leadership election.
Either we are getting this completely wrong, or the population as a whole including the intelligent, well-informed section of it, is paying precisely zero attention to what is going on.
Surely there comes a point where this is scaremongering though?
I'm not saying it's not 'possibly' true, and clearly something needs to be done but a lot of this could be doomcasting.
Arrived at work tonight to be told “we might have to shut the shop” last week the electric bill came in 10 x dearer today the gas came in, from £900 to £10,058.59 it’s a small family run business here since 1982 this would be tragic! 😢
If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
He's certainly rich, though I've no desire to enjoy Liz Truss's mouthfeel.
If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
He's certainly rich, though I've no desire to enjoy Liz Truss's mouthfeel.
If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
He's certainly rich, though I've no desire to enjoy Liz Truss's mouthfeel.
I imagine Bill Clinton enjoyed Monica's mouthfeel
Oh god
Can we all just go back to talking about what.three.words please?
If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
He's certainly rich, though I've no desire to enjoy Liz Truss's mouthfeel.
I imagine Bill Clinton enjoyed Monica's mouthfeel
Didn't she get the mouthfeel?
I did not, have mouthfeel relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky
If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
He's certainly rich, though I've no desire to enjoy Liz Truss's mouthfeel.
Another bloody hustings? How many do they need? Has anyone on here who's eligible not voted because they are undecided? Get on with it FFS!
I had lunch with several former colleagues today. One thing they talked about was politics, and I was very surprised indeed to find that they all assumed that Rishi Sunak (whom they called 'Big Ears') was a certainty to win the Tory leadership election.
Either we are getting this completely wrong, or the population as a whole including the intelligent, well-informed section of it, is paying precisely zero attention to what is going on.
I think that's a common misconception amongst those inexplicable oddballs who don't follow the betting markets.
Another bloody hustings? How many do they need? Has anyone on here who's eligible not voted because they are undecided? Get on with it FFS!
I had lunch with several former colleagues today. One thing they talked about was politics, and I was very surprised indeed to find that they all assumed that Rishi Sunak (whom they called 'Big Ears') was a certainty to win the Tory leadership election.
Either we are getting this completely wrong, or the population as a whole including the intelligent, well-informed section of it, is paying precisely zero attention to what is going on.
Yeah. I've had that experience with family. I think Truss remains largely unknown. Even to folk who follow the news. Why should anyone when they have precisely zero influence?
If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
He's certainly rich, though I've no desire to enjoy Liz Truss's mouthfeel.
I imagine Bill Clinton enjoyed Monica's mouthfeel
Oh god
Can we all just go back to talking about what.three.words please?
Mouth.feel.Monica. It gives a precise square under a desk in the Oval Office
Just had someone explain to me that the FBI brought a “taint team” with them to MAL and that their job is to plant evidence. Um no. A taint team -aka a filter team- does not plant evidence. This person genuinely believes the FBI has an entire division https://twitter.com/NatSecJD/status/1557749211390689281
MAGA are even more bonkers than Nadine Dorries and people that believe Boris Johnson is the "victim" (lol) of a witch hunt.
It's incredibly transparent, and yet sadly effective, to first dismiss any investigation as a witchhunt, and also set up a conpiracy defence in the event it is proven not to be a witchhunt, but to be substantiated.
If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
He's certainly rich, though I've no desire to enjoy Liz Truss's mouthfeel.
I imagine Bill Clinton enjoyed Monica's mouthfeel
Oh god
Can we all just go back to talking about what.three.words please?
Just had someone explain to me that the FBI brought a “taint team” with them to MAL and that their job is to plant evidence. Um no. A taint team -aka a filter team- does not plant evidence. This person genuinely believes the FBI has an entire division https://twitter.com/NatSecJD/status/1557749211390689281
MAGA are even more bonkers than Nadine Dorries and people that believe Boris Johnson is the "victim" (lol) of a witch hunt.
We just have a dilute version. Nadine, for example, is a pallid facsimile of MTG.
It is something to still be thankful for that she and JRM, amongst MPs (Cruddas seems to be in their corner too) appear to be mostly alone in that tendency.
It will be an important test for Truss to see if she retains them or indeed promotes those two. She has no need to, plenty of others to choose from, but she may well.
Just had someone explain to me that the FBI brought a “taint team” with them to MAL and that their job is to plant evidence. Um no. A taint team -aka a filter team- does not plant evidence. This person genuinely believes the FBI has an entire division https://twitter.com/NatSecJD/status/1557749211390689281
MAGA are even more bonkers than Nadine Dorries and people that believe Boris Johnson is the "victim" (lol) of a witch hunt.
It's incredibly transparent, and yet sadly effective, to first dismiss any investigation as a witchhunt, and also set up a conpiracy defence in the event it is proven not to be a witchhunt, but to be substantiated.
Many on the left would be shocked by how apolitical most of the Conservative party is. There is currently no theory in conservative politics. I suspect no more than a handful of Tory MPs have ever read Burke or Hayek, unless they cropped up on a PPE reading list. They will be far more familiar with Isabel Oakeshott than Michael.
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Rather than principles or goals, the Tory party today lives for day-to-day reactions to the things that catch its eye. Most MPs have no understanding of economics, but instead repeat half-remembered maxims about lower taxes (we are, it seems, forever to the right of the Laffer curve), whilst at the same time celebrating the latest boondoggle that happens to land in their constituency. In the same vein, you see the Tory MPs who have started to get their head around the housing crisis call for more housebuilding everywhere except where it threatens some historic carpark or ‘sacred’ waste site on their patch. They will tweet almost back-to-back about the unaffordability of homes and their objection to any new development.
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It is not that the Conservative party is deliberately and mindfully pursuing ends inimical to British interests. Tory MPs do, mostly, want a prosperous and safe country. They’ve just lost any sense of what that means beyond platitudes, or how to engage with the challenges that stand in our way. The party would rather hide behind the curtain, pulling at levers that aren’t attached to anything.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.
Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.
Many on the left would be shocked by how apolitical most of the Conservative party is. There is currently no theory in conservative politics. I suspect no more than a handful of Tory MPs have ever read Burke or Hayek, unless they cropped up on a PPE reading list. They will be far more familiar with Isabel Oakeshott than Michael.
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Rather than principles or goals, the Tory party today lives for day-to-day reactions to the things that catch its eye. Most MPs have no understanding of economics, but instead repeat half-remembered maxims about lower taxes (we are, it seems, forever to the right of the Laffer curve), whilst at the same time celebrating the latest boondoggle that happens to land in their constituency. In the same vein, you see the Tory MPs who have started to get their head around the housing crisis call for more housebuilding everywhere except where it threatens some historic carpark or ‘sacred’ waste site on their patch. They will tweet almost back-to-back about the unaffordability of homes and their objection to any new development.
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It is not that the Conservative party is deliberately and mindfully pursuing ends inimical to British interests. Tory MPs do, mostly, want a prosperous and safe country. They’ve just lost any sense of what that means beyond platitudes, or how to engage with the challenges that stand in our way. The party would rather hide behind the curtain, pulling at levers that aren’t attached to anything.
Ummmm... I doubt many Conservative members studied PPE.
Did some fucker on here earlier, when discussing food, use the word "mouthfeel"?
Jesus H Christ.
Yep (not me). Texture, but more than that: interaction with flavour too.
It's why I cut up my potatoes for stovies* irregularly to get a range of sizes which vary from completely cooked and moistly pasty to al dente.
*potatoes, onions, and a little fat and water cooked in one pan - aka pommes de terre estovees, lobscouse, Labskaus (Danish), etc.
Don't your stovies have meat?
I once had 'deconstructed stovies' in a restaurant. It was as bad as it sounds.
Not in it - but I have it served with slices of cold roast meat, ideally the slightly fatty kind such as lamb, and pickled beetroot as noted elsewhere on this thread.
Edit: the Danes have it that wat too. But with salad as well. AKA a sprinkle of chopped chives.
You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.
Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.
Yes, let's start World War Three. That's bound to get the cost of energy down.
Many on the left would be shocked by how apolitical most of the Conservative party is. There is currently no theory in conservative politics. I suspect no more than a handful of Tory MPs have ever read Burke or Hayek, unless they cropped up on a PPE reading list. They will be far more familiar with Isabel Oakeshott than Michael.
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Rather than principles or goals, the Tory party today lives for day-to-day reactions to the things that catch its eye. Most MPs have no understanding of economics, but instead repeat half-remembered maxims about lower taxes (we are, it seems, forever to the right of the Laffer curve), whilst at the same time celebrating the latest boondoggle that happens to land in their constituency. In the same vein, you see the Tory MPs who have started to get their head around the housing crisis call for more housebuilding everywhere except where it threatens some historic carpark or ‘sacred’ waste site on their patch. They will tweet almost back-to-back about the unaffordability of homes and their objection to any new development.
...
It is not that the Conservative party is deliberately and mindfully pursuing ends inimical to British interests. Tory MPs do, mostly, want a prosperous and safe country. They’ve just lost any sense of what that means beyond platitudes, or how to engage with the challenges that stand in our way. The party would rather hide behind the curtain, pulling at levers that aren’t attached to anything.
They're out of energy and ideas. They should do the country a favour and resign en masse. Labour may or may not be equally clueless but it's worth at least testing the proposition.
You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.
Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.
Yes, let's start World War Three. That's bound to get the cost of energy down.
Every day we don't stick up to Putin, he gets his claws into another autocrat (or would be autocrat), and the entire Western order is put at risk.
Just had someone explain to me that the FBI brought a “taint team” with them to MAL and that their job is to plant evidence. Um no. A taint team -aka a filter team- does not plant evidence. This person genuinely believes the FBI has an entire division https://twitter.com/NatSecJD/status/1557749211390689281
MAGA are even more bonkers than Nadine Dorries and people that believe Boris Johnson is the "victim" (lol) of a witch hunt.
It's incredibly transparent, and yet sadly effective, to first dismiss any investigation as a witchhunt, and also set up a conpiracy defence in the event it is proven not to be a witchhunt, but to be substantiated.
It is what populists do.
Don't forget the three point strategy
1) It's a witchhunt - nothing will be found 2) It's a fix - anything found is fake 3) Even if it is neither 1 or 2, my being investigated for and theoretically convicted of crimes is unfair politically as only the ballot box matters.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Mrs Thatcher rarely appointed female ministers.
She appointed Edwina Currie as a junior minister after this speech:
Did some fucker on here earlier, when discussing food, use the word "mouthfeel"?
Jesus H Christ.
Yeah, "mouthfeel". What of it. You want food that feels like puke? No?
Depends. I have a dim memory opf being told of a fellow student who chundered, then picked out the chunks of frankfurter and reused them. Plenty of mouthfeel there.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Two words:
Cecil Parkinson
Sudden memories there. Makes an interesting contrast with the modern Tory party.
Many on the left would be shocked by how apolitical most of the Conservative party is. There is currently no theory in conservative politics. I suspect no more than a handful of Tory MPs have ever read Burke or Hayek, unless they cropped up on a PPE reading list. They will be far more familiar with Isabel Oakeshott than Michael.
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Rather than principles or goals, the Tory party today lives for day-to-day reactions to the things that catch its eye. Most MPs have no understanding of economics, but instead repeat half-remembered maxims about lower taxes (we are, it seems, forever to the right of the Laffer curve), whilst at the same time celebrating the latest boondoggle that happens to land in their constituency. In the same vein, you see the Tory MPs who have started to get their head around the housing crisis call for more housebuilding everywhere except where it threatens some historic carpark or ‘sacred’ waste site on their patch. They will tweet almost back-to-back about the unaffordability of homes and their objection to any new development.
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It is not that the Conservative party is deliberately and mindfully pursuing ends inimical to British interests. Tory MPs do, mostly, want a prosperous and safe country. They’ve just lost any sense of what that means beyond platitudes, or how to engage with the challenges that stand in our way. The party would rather hide behind the curtain, pulling at levers that aren’t attached to anything.
"Sunak looks like he will run the country like a private equity project, cutting any expense he can and damn the consequences, whilst Truss will run it like a village fete, with boundless enthusiasm and harking back to the old hits."
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Mrs Thatcher rarely appointed female ministers.
She appointed Edwina Currie as a junior minister after this speech:
There were also surprisingly few female Conservative MPs in the 1980s, so she didn't have an abundance of options.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Mrs Thatcher rarely appointed female ministers.
In her entire Premiership, Mrs T only appointed one female Cabinet Minister (Janet Young) who was sacked after only 14 months.
Many on the left would be shocked by how apolitical most of the Conservative party is. There is currently no theory in conservative politics. I suspect no more than a handful of Tory MPs have ever read Burke or Hayek, unless they cropped up on a PPE reading list. They will be far more familiar with Isabel Oakeshott than Michael.
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Rather than principles or goals, the Tory party today lives for day-to-day reactions to the things that catch its eye. Most MPs have no understanding of economics, but instead repeat half-remembered maxims about lower taxes (we are, it seems, forever to the right of the Laffer curve), whilst at the same time celebrating the latest boondoggle that happens to land in their constituency. In the same vein, you see the Tory MPs who have started to get their head around the housing crisis call for more housebuilding everywhere except where it threatens some historic carpark or ‘sacred’ waste site on their patch. They will tweet almost back-to-back about the unaffordability of homes and their objection to any new development.
...
It is not that the Conservative party is deliberately and mindfully pursuing ends inimical to British interests. Tory MPs do, mostly, want a prosperous and safe country. They’ve just lost any sense of what that means beyond platitudes, or how to engage with the challenges that stand in our way. The party would rather hide behind the curtain, pulling at levers that aren’t attached to anything.
They're out of energy and ideas. They should do the country a favour and resign en masse. Labour may or may not be equally clueless but it's worth at least testing the proposition.
Labour and the LDs are equally clueless, but perhaps it is not their fault but the electorates. We choose to put in place whoever sells us the most optimistic short term answers and ignore those who want to invest and say it will be tough. Essentially we choose like toddlers.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Mrs Thatcher rarely appointed female ministers.
In her entire Premiership, Mrs T only appointed one female Cabinet Minister (Janet Young) who was sacked after only 14 months.
You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.
Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.
Yes. I think we'd have to be clear that our war aims were only to eject Russian forces from Ukraine, as per the agreements we made when Ukraine gave up its nukes, and not regime change though.
Did some fucker on here earlier, when discussing food, use the word "mouthfeel"?
Jesus H Christ.
Yep (not me). Texture, but more than that: interaction with flavour too.
It's why I cut up my potatoes for stovies* irregularly to get a range of sizes which vary from completely cooked and moistly pasty to al dente.
*potatoes, onions, and a little fat and water cooked in one pan - aka pommes de terre estovees, lobscouse, Labskaus (Danish), etc.
Don't your stovies have meat?
I once had 'deconstructed stovies' in a restaurant. It was as bad as it sounds.
Not in it - but I have it served with slices of cold roast meat, ideally the slightly fatty kind such as lamb, and pickled beetroot as noted elsewhere on this thread.
Edit: the Danes have it that wat too. But with salad as well. AKA a sprinkle of chopped chives.
One side of my family made it almost like corn beef hash (but with slightly chunky corn beef). I imagine if you stirred that in with some beetroot that would be the Labskaus version. The other side it was somewhat more like an Irish Stew.
I think there's some Danish on the Labskaus-esque side of the family somewhere in the distant past so that might explain it.
Am I cycnical for thinking police services seem to not sack plenty of officers for gross incompetence of misconduct (granted they seem not to find some obvious candidates guilty of such in the first place), and it is very easy for them to claim they would have sacked those who have already resigned? Points for creativity though. A police officer made up a story he had a girlfriend then claimed she had died of cancer in order to get time off.
PC Harry Sarkar would have been sacked had he not resigned and his actions were a "significant abuse of trust", West Midlands Police said.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Mrs Thatcher rarely appointed female ministers.
She appointed Edwina Currie as a junior minister after this speech:
There were also surprisingly few female Conservative MPs in the 1980s, so she didn't have an abundance of options.
Many on the left would be shocked by how apolitical most of the Conservative party is. There is currently no theory in conservative politics. I suspect no more than a handful of Tory MPs have ever read Burke or Hayek, unless they cropped up on a PPE reading list. They will be far more familiar with Isabel Oakeshott than Michael.
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Rather than principles or goals, the Tory party today lives for day-to-day reactions to the things that catch its eye. Most MPs have no understanding of economics, but instead repeat half-remembered maxims about lower taxes (we are, it seems, forever to the right of the Laffer curve), whilst at the same time celebrating the latest boondoggle that happens to land in their constituency. In the same vein, you see the Tory MPs who have started to get their head around the housing crisis call for more housebuilding everywhere except where it threatens some historic carpark or ‘sacred’ waste site on their patch. They will tweet almost back-to-back about the unaffordability of homes and their objection to any new development.
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It is not that the Conservative party is deliberately and mindfully pursuing ends inimical to British interests. Tory MPs do, mostly, want a prosperous and safe country. They’ve just lost any sense of what that means beyond platitudes, or how to engage with the challenges that stand in our way. The party would rather hide behind the curtain, pulling at levers that aren’t attached to anything.
They're out of energy and ideas. They should do the country a favour and resign en masse. Labour may or may not be equally clueless but it's worth at least testing the proposition.
Labour and the LDs are equally clueless, but perhaps it is not their fault but the electorates. We choose to put in place whoever sells us the most optimistic short term answers and ignore those who want to invest and say it will be tough. Essentially we choose like toddlers.
All the Tories have to do to stay in power is oppose all the Woke nonsense.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Mrs Thatcher rarely appointed female ministers.
In her entire Premiership, Mrs T only appointed one female Cabinet Minister (Janet Young) who was sacked after only 14 months.
I don't know if the increase in female Cabinet Ministers has been quite as dramatic in such a short space of time as ethnic minority Cabinet Ministers, but it has certainly been significant.
Meanwhile, the country does feel slightly rudderless, in the midst of a crisis, and I wonder if that will also be weaponised (as it should be) by the opposition. Who of course are also away but sending Cleverley and whatnot around the studios promising something or other doesn't really seem to cut it in terms of addressing the problem.
Of course Johnson should be somewhere visible as PM but the Cons party should have wrapped up this contest a month ago.
Did some fucker on here earlier, when discussing food, use the word "mouthfeel"?
Jesus H Christ.
Yep (not me). Texture, but more than that: interaction with flavour too.
It's why I cut up my potatoes for stovies* irregularly to get a range of sizes which vary from completely cooked and moistly pasty to al dente.
*potatoes, onions, and a little fat and water cooked in one pan - aka pommes de terre estovees, lobscouse, Labskaus (Danish), etc.
Don't your stovies have meat?
I once had 'deconstructed stovies' in a restaurant. It was as bad as it sounds.
Not in it - but I have it served with slices of cold roast meat, ideally the slightly fatty kind such as lamb, and pickled beetroot as noted elsewhere on this thread.
Edit: the Danes have it that wat too. But with salad as well. AKA a sprinkle of chopped chives.
One side of my family made it almost like corn beef hash (but with slightly chunky corn beef). I imagine if you stirred that in with some beetroot that would be the Labskaus version. The other side it was somewhat more like an Irish Stew.
I think there's some Danish on the Labskaus-esque side of the family somewhere in the distant past so that might explain it.
Corned beef hash is called lobbies in Lancashire. Served with pickled red cabbage. Yum.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Mrs Thatcher rarely appointed female ministers.
She appointed Edwina Currie as a junior minister after this speech:
Five years actually. Currie made that speech at the 1981 Conference (she was a PPC) and was appointed a Minister in 1986, having been elected for South Derbyshire in 1983.
Many on the left would be shocked by how apolitical most of the Conservative party is. There is currently no theory in conservative politics. I suspect no more than a handful of Tory MPs have ever read Burke or Hayek, unless they cropped up on a PPE reading list. They will be far more familiar with Isabel Oakeshott than Michael.
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Rather than principles or goals, the Tory party today lives for day-to-day reactions to the things that catch its eye. Most MPs have no understanding of economics, but instead repeat half-remembered maxims about lower taxes (we are, it seems, forever to the right of the Laffer curve), whilst at the same time celebrating the latest boondoggle that happens to land in their constituency. In the same vein, you see the Tory MPs who have started to get their head around the housing crisis call for more housebuilding everywhere except where it threatens some historic carpark or ‘sacred’ waste site on their patch. They will tweet almost back-to-back about the unaffordability of homes and their objection to any new development.
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It is not that the Conservative party is deliberately and mindfully pursuing ends inimical to British interests. Tory MPs do, mostly, want a prosperous and safe country. They’ve just lost any sense of what that means beyond platitudes, or how to engage with the challenges that stand in our way. The party would rather hide behind the curtain, pulling at levers that aren’t attached to anything.
They're out of energy and ideas. They should do the country a favour and resign en masse. Labour may or may not be equally clueless but it's worth at least testing the proposition.
Labour and the LDs are equally clueless, but perhaps it is not their fault but the electorates. We choose to put in place whoever sells us the most optimistic short term answers and ignore those who want to invest and say it will be tough. Essentially we choose like toddlers.
All the Tories have to do to stay in power is oppose all the Woke nonsense.
Eh, I doubt that. There's a market for it, definitely, but 1) they can go too far on it (many people oppose sillier stories, but do not regard everything they dislike as woke, as some Tory MPs do), and 2) people really do care more about significant economic issues and general government conduct, and 14 years in power has a significant 'time for a change' threat to them staying in power.
'Woke' opposition might work adding flavour to a campaign, but if that is all that it is it will fail, just as you might like coriander but wouldn't be advised to eat it by the spoonful. If they think that is all they need to do it will be extremely complacent of them.
Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.
Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.
The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.
Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.
If I had to unite the threads, I’d say I prefer the “political mouthfeel” of Liz Truss over rishi Sunak. He’s like a rich yet bland dal. Expensively spiced lentils are still lentils, he has the “political mouthfeel” of posh nursery food
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.
Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.
Yes. I think we'd have to be clear that our war aims were only to eject Russian forces from Ukraine, as per the agreements we made when Ukraine gave up its nukes, and not regime change though.
Our war aims would need to be to defeat the Russian army.
And this is supposed to be a sensible discussion board.
I mean go for it if you want, and I noted @rcs1000's commitment to the cause but are we thinking this through.
You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.
Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.
Yes. I think we'd have to be clear that our war aims were only to eject Russian forces from Ukraine, as per the agreements we made when Ukraine gave up its nukes, and not regime change though.
If the EU was really interested in becoming a country then they would have been trying to organise a coalition of willing EU members to join the war on Ukraine's side. Instead Germany can't agree to ban Russian tourists.
I wonder if a coalition of the non-nuclear EU states joining the war would be seen as less threatening to Russia than if France/UK/US were involved, but there's not much sign of it happening.
16 times being late to register is a pretty significant number to be believably regarded as inadvertent, without use of 'I'm an idiot' defence.
Similar to parties get fined for not registering electoral expenses properly and whinge about it being confusing, when even if it is the mainstream parties easily have the resources to make it very clear for their officials, so it is not believable they did not understand.
Did some fucker on here earlier, when discussing food, use the word "mouthfeel"?
Jesus H Christ.
Yep (not me). Texture, but more than that: interaction with flavour too.
It's why I cut up my potatoes for stovies* irregularly to get a range of sizes which vary from completely cooked and moistly pasty to al dente.
*potatoes, onions, and a little fat and water cooked in one pan - aka pommes de terre estovees, lobscouse, Labskaus (Danish), etc.
Don't your stovies have meat?
I once had 'deconstructed stovies' in a restaurant. It was as bad as it sounds.
Not in it - but I have it served with slices of cold roast meat, ideally the slightly fatty kind such as lamb, and pickled beetroot as noted elsewhere on this thread.
Edit: the Danes have it that wat too. But with salad as well. AKA a sprinkle of chopped chives.
One side of my family made it almost like corn beef hash (but with slightly chunky corn beef). I imagine if you stirred that in with some beetroot that would be the Labskaus version. The other side it was somewhat more like an Irish Stew.
I think there's some Danish on the Labskaus-esque side of the family somewhere in the distant past so that might explain it.
Corned beef hash is called lobbies in Lancashire. Served with pickled red cabbage. Yum.
I've got some 'artisan' pickled red cabbage (yes, I know). So might give that a go once this head sods off.
You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.
Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.
Yes. I think we'd have to be clear that our war aims were only to eject Russian forces from Ukraine, as per the agreements we made when Ukraine gave up its nukes, and not regime change though.
Our war aims would need to be to defeat the Russian army.
And this is supposed to be a sensible discussion board.
I mean go for it if you want, and I noted @rcs1000's commitment to the cause but are we thinking this through.
The way things are going, we will not need to defeat the Russian army.
It seems the Russian army (and wider military) are perfectly capable of defeating themselves.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Mrs Thatcher rarely appointed female ministers.
She appointed Edwina Currie as a junior minister after this speech:
Five years actually. Currie made that speech at the 1981 Conference (she was a PPC) and was appointed a Minister in 1986, having been elected for South Derbyshire in 1983.
The problem with China's bullish attitude to anyone doing things they dislike is they are so over the top about even the most minor of things - like forcing moviestars to grovel if they say Taiwan is a country - that it makes it hard to figure out how serious they could possibly be about genuinely being angry (officially anyway) at actions of others.
Obviously this action is deliberately more provocative, but when their rhetoric is the same whether you sail through the Taiwan straight or comment idly that maybe they've been ignoring rules in Hong Kong, they cannot escalate their language.
In fact the only living former Tory leader backing Truss is IDS (though am sure Boris is too)
Are all the dead ones backing Sunak? I would also argue as to whether IDS is actually living> he makes SKS sound like the embodiment of political charisma.
I expect all the dead ones post war would be backing Sunak, though Thatcher would have a soft spot for Truss
Maggie would have spotted Truss as a featherweight phoney in about 3 microseconds. How little you know about her.
Mrs Thatcher rarely appointed female ministers.
She appointed Edwina Currie as a junior minister after this speech:
There were also surprisingly few female Conservative MPs in the 1980s, so she didn't have an abundance of options.
Is that an EU flag at the back?
It's 1981. The Tories were weaponising the EU flag to emphasise Labour was likely to take us out. O tempora!
You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.
Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.
Yes. I think we'd have to be clear that our war aims were only to eject Russian forces from Ukraine, as per the agreements we made when Ukraine gave up its nukes, and not regime change though.
Our war aims would need to be to defeat the Russian army.
And this is supposed to be a sensible discussion board.
I mean go for it if you want, and I noted @rcs1000's commitment to the cause but are we thinking this through.
The way things are going, we will not need to defeat the Russian army.
It seems the Russian army (and wider military) are perfectly capable of defeating themselves.
Some positive news aside, I remain wary of being too optimistic, But here's hoping.
16 times being late to register is a pretty significant number to be believably regarded as inadvertent, without use of 'I'm an idiot' defence.
Similar to parties get fined for not registering electoral expenses properly and whinge about it being confusing, when even if it is the mainstream parties easily have the resources to make it very clear for their officials, so it is not believable they did not understand.
UK energy industry told to help with cost of living or risk windfall tax
Energy companies have been told to use “huge” profits to help households with the rising cost of living or risk further windfall taxes.
Boris Johnson unexpectedly joined a meeting of big energy producers this morning to emphasise that they had to do more to help people with bills.
Nadhim Zahawi, the chancellor, told electricity giants that the cost of living crisis was “not just the government’s problem” and challenged them to come up with ways to ease the impact of rising bills, urging a “spirit of national unity”. The possibility of extending a windfall tax currently levied on oil and gas companies to electricity generation was “implied” if action was not sufficient. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/energy-bills-could-top-5-000-by-april-as-ministers-hold-crisis-talks-with-energy-bosses-m8tcmmlqw (£££)
You know: the simplest way to get the price of energy down is to defeat Russia. And the simplest way to defeat Russia is for us to simply come in on the side of the Ukrainians.
Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.
Yes. I think we'd have to be clear that our war aims were only to eject Russian forces from Ukraine, as per the agreements we made when Ukraine gave up its nukes, and not regime change though.
Our war aims would need to be to defeat the Russian army.
And this is supposed to be a sensible discussion board.
I mean go for it if you want, and I noted @rcs1000's commitment to the cause but are we thinking this through.
The way things are going, we will not need to defeat the Russian army.
It seems the Russian army (and wider military) are perfectly capable of defeating themselves.
Some positive news aside, I remain wary of being too optimistic, But here's hoping.
My view is that it is now impossible for Russia to end up in a better position than it was in February. It has been debased politically, economically and militarily. The stronk Russian military has been shown to be a myth.
That means any 'win' for Russia will be pyrrhic in the extreme, if they get any 'win' at all.
That does not mean Ukraine wins either, but it does mean Russians are in for a sh*t time over the next five to ten years.
Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.
Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.
The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.
Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.
That's not a "townhouse" , it's just a bog standard South London Victoria terraced house. I live in one not wholly dissimilar and it's definitely not a townhouse, whatever that even is.
Did some fucker on here earlier, when discussing food, use the word "mouthfeel"?
Jesus H Christ.
Yep (not me). Texture, but more than that: interaction with flavour too.
It's why I cut up my potatoes for stovies* irregularly to get a range of sizes which vary from completely cooked and moistly pasty to al dente.
*potatoes, onions, and a little fat and water cooked in one pan - aka pommes de terre estovees, lobscouse, Labskaus (Danish), etc.
Don't your stovies have meat?
I once had 'deconstructed stovies' in a restaurant. It was as bad as it sounds.
Not in it - but I have it served with slices of cold roast meat, ideally the slightly fatty kind such as lamb, and pickled beetroot as noted elsewhere on this thread.
Edit: the Danes have it that wat too. But with salad as well. AKA a sprinkle of chopped chives.
One side of my family made it almost like corn beef hash (but with slightly chunky corn beef). I imagine if you stirred that in with some beetroot that would be the Labskaus version. The other side it was somewhat more like an Irish Stew.
I think there's some Danish on the Labskaus-esque side of the family somewhere in the distant past so that might explain it.
Corned beef hash is called lobbies in Lancashire. Served with pickled red cabbage. Yum.
Not in my part of Lancashire it wasn't. Just called 'ash. With pickled red cabbage yes.
16 times being late to register is a pretty significant number to be believably regarded as inadvertent, without use of 'I'm an idiot' defence.
Similar to parties get fined for not registering electoral expenses properly and whinge about it being confusing, when even if it is the mainstream parties easily have the resources to make it very clear for their officials, so it is not believable they did not understand.
As I said the other day, this is too common, and there is no obvious gain for not registering, that one must suspect the process is not straightforward enough.
Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water
EVERYONE IS THIRSTY
I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.
For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.
It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?
Personally, no, I doubt it very much
I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin
And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka
I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
Did some fucker on here earlier, when discussing food, use the word "mouthfeel"?
Jesus H Christ.
Yep (not me). Texture, but more than that: interaction with flavour too.
It's why I cut up my potatoes for stovies* irregularly to get a range of sizes which vary from completely cooked and moistly pasty to al dente.
*potatoes, onions, and a little fat and water cooked in one pan - aka pommes de terre estovees, lobscouse, Labskaus (Danish), etc.
Don't your stovies have meat?
I once had 'deconstructed stovies' in a restaurant. It was as bad as it sounds.
Not in it - but I have it served with slices of cold roast meat, ideally the slightly fatty kind such as lamb, and pickled beetroot as noted elsewhere on this thread.
Edit: the Danes have it that wat too. But with salad as well. AKA a sprinkle of chopped chives.
One side of my family made it almost like corn beef hash (but with slightly chunky corn beef). I imagine if you stirred that in with some beetroot that would be the Labskaus version. The other side it was somewhat more like an Irish Stew.
I think there's some Danish on the Labskaus-esque side of the family somewhere in the distant past so that might explain it.
Corned beef hash is called lobbies in Lancashire. Served with pickled red cabbage. Yum.
Not in my part of Lancashire it wasn't. Just called 'ash. With pickled red cabbage yes.
Maybe that's proximity to Liverpool? The denizens of Leigh are known as lobbygobblers.
Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.
Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.
The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.
Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.
Carrie and Boris Johnson’s Camberwell townhouse listed for sale for £1.6 million The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.
Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.
The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.
Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.
16 times being late to register is a pretty significant number to be believably regarded as inadvertent, without use of 'I'm an idiot' defence.
Similar to parties get fined for not registering electoral expenses properly and whinge about it being confusing, when even if it is the mainstream parties easily have the resources to make it very clear for their officials, so it is not believable they did not understand.
As I said the other day, this is too common, and there is no obvious gain for not registering, that one must suspect the process is not straightforward enough.
Or they know they can just say ooopsie, my bad and get off with no consequences like SKS snd Lammy
Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water
EVERYONE IS THIRSTY
I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.
For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.
It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?
Personally, no, I doubt it very much
I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin
And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka
I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
Bingo.
(Much like smoking I believe) it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.
If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.
Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.
Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
Waitrose online have almost sold out of mineral water
EVERYONE IS THIRSTY
I also saw they had a whole section of zero alcohol drinks. The world is a changin'.
For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.
It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?
Personally, no, I doubt it very much
I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin
And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka
I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
Bingo.
Much like smoking I believe it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.
If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.
Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.
Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.
Clare Grogan on Radio 2 has chosen Mmm-bop as one of the tracks of her years.
Where PB leads...
Odd how much good music is from Glasgow.
Dunno, it’s profile isn’t that different from Liverpool’s*. And there is the musical marching tradition of course..
*not necessarily a recommendation in your view istr 🙂
Well, no. Compare, say, Twist and Shout with, say, Twist and Shout. No contest, and the winning city also has fratellis, del Amitri, Amy, Franz Ferdinand, aztec Camera, ultravox....
And not to mention Orange Juice, Simple Minds (before U2ification), Donovan, Primal Scream, Frankie Miller, Belle and Sebastian and the guvnor, Alex Harvey.
Sadly I missed Donovan a couple of years ago at our local festival, but apparently an object lesson in not overdoing the LSD for too many decades. Belle and Sebastian for sure.
Got taken along to see Donovan in Reading maybe 15 years back and was somewhat surprised to discover that his drummer was Rat Scabies....
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I put mouthfeel, weltanschauung and gesamtkunstwerk all in the same paragraph
An entire era is passing. Though few realise it
She’s fresher, spikier. A hint of the acerbic. Like berries from a Finnish forest
How many do they need? Has anyone on here who's eligible not voted because they are undecided? Get on with it FFS!
Surprisingly, they enjoy it.
Even so, Rishi outclasses her by a country mile.
I recall a political sage explaining FDR's greatness. A second-class intellect allied to a first-class temperament. That's Rishi albeit on a lesser scale.
Either we are getting this completely wrong, or the population as a whole including the intelligent, well-informed section of it, is paying precisely zero attention to what is going on.
Can we all just go back to talking about what.three.words please?
I think Truss remains largely unknown. Even to folk who follow the news.
Why should anyone when they have precisely zero influence?
It will be an important test for Truss to see if she retains them or indeed promotes those two. She has no need to, plenty of others to choose from, but she may well.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-crisis-at-the-heart-of-the-modern-conservative-party
Many on the left would be shocked by how apolitical most of the Conservative party is. There is currently no theory in conservative politics. I suspect no more than a handful of Tory MPs have ever read Burke or Hayek, unless they cropped up on a PPE reading list. They will be far more familiar with Isabel Oakeshott than Michael.
...
Rather than principles or goals, the Tory party today lives for day-to-day reactions to the things that catch its eye. Most MPs have no understanding of economics, but instead repeat half-remembered maxims about lower taxes (we are, it seems, forever to the right of the Laffer curve), whilst at the same time celebrating the latest boondoggle that happens to land in their constituency. In the same vein, you see the Tory MPs who have started to get their head around the housing crisis call for more housebuilding everywhere except where it threatens some historic carpark or ‘sacred’ waste site on their patch. They will tweet almost back-to-back about the unaffordability of homes and their objection to any new development.
...
It is not that the Conservative party is deliberately and mindfully pursuing ends inimical to British interests. Tory MPs do, mostly, want a prosperous and safe country. They’ve just lost any sense of what that means beyond platitudes, or how to engage with the challenges that stand in our way. The party would rather hide behind the curtain, pulling at levers that aren’t attached to anything.
https://what3words.com/political.mouth.feel
It's in Alaska
Furthermore, if we were to do this, it would send a very clear message to all the Russians (who aren't Putin) that the best way out of the mess would be for Putin to have an accident.
Edit: the Danes have it that wat too. But with salad as well. AKA a sprinkle of chopped chives.
1) It's a witchhunt - nothing will be found
2) It's a fix - anything found is fake
3) Even if it is neither 1 or 2, my being investigated for and theoretically convicted of crimes is unfair politically as only the ballot box matters.
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I think there's some Danish on the Labskaus-esque side of the family somewhere in the distant past so that might explain it.
A police officer made up a story he had a girlfriend then claimed she had died of cancer in order to get time off.
PC Harry Sarkar would have been sacked had he not resigned and his actions were a "significant abuse of trust", West Midlands Police said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-62506363
For the better in this case, I think, and Peroni's zero lager does it for me.
Of course Johnson should be somewhere visible as PM but the Cons party should have wrapped up this contest a month ago.
Yum.
'Woke' opposition might work adding flavour to a campaign, but if that is all that it is it will fail, just as you might like coriander but wouldn't be advised to eat it by the spoonful. If they think that is all they need to do it will be extremely complacent of them.
Its always 'inadvertant' with these grifters
The Johnsons have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale — for £400,000 more than they paid for it.
Outgoing Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie Johnson have put their Camberwell townhouse up for sale for £1.6 million.
The couple paid £1.2 million for their four-bedroom, red-brick Victorian terrace home on 19 July 2019.
Should it sell for the asking price, the Johnsons stand to make a profit of £400,000.
The Johnsons have never lived at the property, and are thought to have rented out both the Camberwell townhouse and an Oxfordshire farmhouse to pay for costly renovations to their home at 11 Downing Street.
https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/celebrity-homes/boris-carrie-johnson-camberwell-townhouse-for-sale-b1017759.html
A new plague from China ...
And this is supposed to be a sensible discussion board.
I mean go for it if you want, and I noted @rcs1000's commitment to the cause but are we thinking this through.
I wonder if a coalition of the non-nuclear EU states joining the war would be seen as less threatening to Russia than if France/UK/US were involved, but there's not much sign of it happening.
Similar to parties get fined for not registering electoral expenses properly and whinge about it being confusing, when even if it is the mainstream parties easily have the resources to make it very clear for their officials, so it is not believable they did not understand.
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U.S. Navy is planning to sail warships through the Taiwan Strait in the coming weeks, ignoring China’s recent claim that it controls the entire waterway. w/
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/10/us/politics/taiwan-china-us.html?smid=tw-share
It seems the Russian army (and wider military) are perfectly capable of defeating themselves.
I wonder what Mrs T is praying for?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/11/starmer-holidays-gordon-brown-assumes-role-leader-opposition/
Cometh the hour …
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62512359
Like the one at Alton Towers a few years back? Hope everyone's going to be okay...
Obviously this action is deliberately more provocative, but when their rhetoric is the same whether you sail through the Taiwan straight or comment idly that maybe they've been ignoring rules in Hong Kong, they cannot escalate their language.
The Tories were weaponising the EU flag to emphasise Labour was likely to take us out.
O tempora!
Energy companies have been told to use “huge” profits to help households with the rising cost of living or risk further windfall taxes.
Boris Johnson unexpectedly joined a meeting of big energy producers this morning to emphasise that they had to do more to help people with bills.
Nadhim Zahawi, the chancellor, told electricity giants that the cost of living crisis was “not just the government’s problem” and challenged them to come up with ways to ease the impact of rising bills, urging a “spirit of national unity”. The possibility of extending a windfall tax currently levied on oil and gas companies to electricity generation was “implied” if action was not sufficient.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/energy-bills-could-top-5-000-by-april-as-ministers-hold-crisis-talks-with-energy-bosses-m8tcmmlqw (£££)
That means any 'win' for Russia will be pyrrhic in the extreme, if they get any 'win' at all.
That does not mean Ukraine wins either, but it does mean Russians are in for a sh*t time over the next five to ten years.
It's an interesting philosophical point. Kingsley Amis famously asked it, Would we drink booze if it wasn't boozy? If it did not get us drunk?
Personally, no, I doubt it very much
I enjoy the taste of a few forms of alcohol - red wine, maybe a beer on a cold day - but I can't see myself drinking it if it did not have booze. It would be like smoking zero-heroin heroin
And of course some alcohols are positively unpleasant - eg vodka
I saw a zero alcohol gin, the other day, in Marks and Sparks. What is the fucking point in that? The only fucking point in that is to try and fool your brain into believing you are drinking alcohol
The denizens of Leigh are known as lobbygobblers.
Has he been promised a job by Truss?
Or is he in such dire financial straits he has no choice?
(Much like smoking I believe) it is the ritual that is important as much as anything. Gordon's zero gin is the best of the bunch imo and stick it in a cut crystal glass, tonic, ice and a slice, and some anchovy olives and you feel you are having a gin.
If you think about the first drink of the evening, it gives you a very pleasant hit such that you think: "more of that please" and before you know it it's midnight and you are posting about aliens at the bottom of the garden.
Why not stick at that one first drink and then have something which fools your brain into thinking it is continuing the process without the unwelcome effects.
Same with a zero lager. Stick some lemonade in the top and sit down on a day such as today with that and a pack of Walkers Chicken Crisps and you are having a lazy beer. Plus that beer, er, ah, um, texture is unique and the zero ones have it.