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Snap debate poll gives it to Tugendhat – politicalbetting.com

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edited July 2022 in General
Snap debate poll gives it to Tugendhat – politicalbetting.com

?BREAKING – SNAP DEBATE POLL?Tonight we asked over 1000 normal voters to watch the debate and we have just asked them who they thought performed best. Results:Tugendhat 36%Sunak 25%Mordaunt 12%Badenoch 12%Truss 6% pic.twitter.com/0q4IliqQNM

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    edited July 2022
    I speak for the nation and took part in this poll and called it for Tom, then Penny, then Rishi, then Badenoch in the distance, and Truss, oh dear.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Second, like Riski
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,734
    I suspect Dorries is wondering why she didn't run given the Truss performance.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    PB4TT
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I speak for the nation.

    Weird that you signed it "Mike Smithson" then
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    edited July 2022
    Omnium said:

    I suspect Dorries is wondering why she didn't run given the Truss performance.

    Because there's only so much crazy that can co-exist in a space at once before you start getting worrying relativistic effects.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,241
    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    This may not be a Tuggasm, but it's not the furthest thing in the world from it
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Might be a Liz free zone in the members' ballot 👍
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    OnboardG1 said:

    stjohn said:

    One positive from tonight.

    If, as seems likely, the final two are Penny and Rishi, then the ERG/right/Nad/Mogg/JRM/Baker/IDS/Brexiteers might all finally be wrested from their positions of power and washed down the plug hole.

    The multitudinous seas incarnadine will reoxygenate and become green again. Rejoice at that news!

    I, for one, look forward to six months of the ERG ensuring the business of government can't be maintained.
    John Major’s bastards were nothing compared to the current crop of Tory bastards.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,650
    Did OGH have a Sunak position at any time? :smile:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,089
    Tom's way too short at 54-1 because hrs about to head out at the MP round.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    IshmaelZ said:

    This may not be a Tuggasm, but it's not the furthest thing in the world from it

    Eeeeeeew.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    StuartDickson said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    stjohn said:

    One positive from tonight.

    If, as seems likely, the final two are Penny and Rishi, then the ERG/right/Nad/Mogg/JRM/Baker/IDS/Brexiteers might all finally be wrested from their positions of power and washed down the plug hole.

    The multitudinous seas incarnadine will reoxygenate and become green again. Rejoice at that news!

    I, for one, look forward to six months of the ERG ensuring the business of government can't be maintained.
    John Major’s bastards were nothing compared to the current crop of Tory bastards.
    They're the same bastards though, just older and with a worse case of brain-rot.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,734
    EPG said:

    Did OGH have a Sunak position at any time? :smile:

    I'm sure he'd have mentioned it.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,241
    Omnium said:

    I suspect Dorries is wondering why she didn't run given the Truss performance.

    Agreed.

    She'd have given us all a laugh with her "performances" and most importantly would have made smarmy Rishi squirm...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,751
    Betfair next pm:-

    2.2 Penny Mordaunt 45%
    3.55 Rishi Sunak 28%
    4.5 Liz Truss 22%
    38 Kemi Badenoch
    50 Tom Tugendhat
    240 Dominic Raab
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    The bar graph is generously giving Truss an extra % over the text of the tweet. Must be the pity vote.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Leon said:

    Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

    Not sure anything tonight has changed that

    Rishi's MP backers will feel more comfortable he is still the right choice. But Mordaunt's biggest rival is Truss, not Sunak, and so she'll presumably be happy enough, as she has such an advantage with the members it will take more than one debate performance to knock that off course.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,700
    You do have to wonder how Truss became the standard bearer of the right.

    Presumably just because Boris made her Foreign Secretary.

    You would have thought someone would have stopped and asked if she was the best they could find.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,335
    I'd also add that it was good to see how united all five of them were on at least one issue.

    Namely, that whoever has been in government for the last decade has done a rubbish job.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    Tugendhat had his Clegg moment certainly
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    MikeL said:

    You do have to wonder how Truss became the standard bearer of the right.

    Presumably just because Boris made her Foreign Secretary.

    You would have thought someone would have stopped and asked if she was the best they could find.

    Because the Tory right is stupid. Just like the Labour left.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,320
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I speak for the nation and took part in this poll and called it for Tom, then Penny, then Rishi, then Badenoch in the distance, and Truss, oh dear.

    Haven't you just voted on the basis of your general !pre-debate) preferences?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,241
    OnboardG1 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
    LOL!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Course the super troll move would have been Rishi to wear the nice, yellow dress.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    Leon said:

    Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

    Not sure anything tonight has changed that

    Sunak may be posh but the Tories haven't had a banker as leader since John Major
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,275
    Tugendhat didn't do anything for me, except for his blunt assessment of Johnson's lack of honesty, but my wife felt that the audience liked him best, so either I missed something, or the public aren't yet ready to move on from giving Johnson a kicking.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    Mexicanpete said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I speak for the nation and took part in this poll and called it for Tom, then Penny, then Rishi, then Badenoch in the distance, and Truss, oh dear.

    Haven't you just voted on the basis of your general !pre-debate) preferences?
    No.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MikeL said:

    You do have to wonder how Truss became the standard bearer of the right.

    Presumably just because Boris made her Foreign Secretary.

    You would have thought someone would have stopped and asked if she was the best they could find.

    No one told her when to run
    She missed the starting gun

    Turns out being in Indonesia when it all kicked off wasn't just happenstance, it was an objective correlative for utter uselessness, like King John losing the crown jewels in the Wash.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    It has to be Penny, the country needs as Prime Minister somebody who has my sense of humour.

    Under her Premiership she'll have the Queen or Chas saying things like 'cock' in the Queen's speech.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    dixiedean said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Course the super troll move would have been Rishi to wear the nice, yellow dress.
    But what bathroom would he use dixie? That's what the members want to know apparently.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I hear the most memorable moment tonight was Tom Tugendhat's honest assessment on the liar Johnson.

    "no"
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,335
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

    Not sure anything tonight has changed that

    Sunak may be posh but the Tories haven't had a banker as leader since John Major
    I was about to disagree and refer to BJ, but then I checked and I'd misread 'banker'.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 685
    OnboardG1 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
    I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    I do at least feel Tom is not angling for a Cabinet position as much as some candidates in the race so far have. By being more unequivocal about Boris than most, and seemingly being a bit more sincere about a clean start, he is attacking the others more, in implicit fashion, for being part of what we need a break from. Which is not the way to get a promotion.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    LostPassword said:

    Tugendhat didn't do anything for me, except for his blunt assessment of Johnson's lack of honesty, but my wife felt that the audience liked him best, so either I missed something, or the public aren't yet ready to move on from giving Johnson a kicking.

    The next Prime Minister is just an effigy of Boris that people are allowed to punch as they walk past.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    More of this ramping please.

    I can then lay 1000/1 Tom at great prices.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

    Not sure anything tonight has changed that

    Rishi's MP backers will feel more comfortable he is still the right choice. But Mordaunt's biggest rival is Truss, not Sunak, and so she'll presumably be happy enough, as she has such an advantage with the members it will take more than one debate performance to knock that off course.
    Yes, that's my take. Sunak probably did best tonight, but only Truss was calamitously bad, so even though Mordaunt somewhat underperformed, she has probably seen off her major rival (Sunak aside): for the last two

    Are Tory MPs really going to put Truss in the final stages? No. Too risky. She might actually win. Badenoch is as clearly talented as she is clearly inexperienced. She needs 5 years at least in Cabinet, she's like an excellent player in the Under 17s in sport

    Tugendhat got the sympathy vote because he has nothing to lose and nothing to win. He is irrelevant

    It will, I am almost certain, be Mordaunt v Sunak
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,117
    Leon said:

    Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

    Not sure anything tonight has changed that

    I agree with the final two, but I think Mordaunt is a very, very different kettle of fish from Thatcher. She has skills of empathic communication that Thatcher was never close to having, and have come out well in her personal press conferences so far.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    TT made me want to puke.
  • WalterWhiteWalterWhite Posts: 17
    StuartDickson said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    stjohn said:

    One positive from tonight.

    If, as seems likely, the final two are Penny and Rishi, then the ERG/right/Nad/Mogg/JRM/Baker/IDS/Brexiteers might all finally be wrested from their positions of power and washed down the plug hole.

    The multitudinous seas incarnadine will reoxygenate and become green again. Rejoice at that news!

    I, for one, look forward to six months of the ERG ensuring the business of government can't be maintained.
    John Major’s bastards were nothing compared to the current crop of Tory bastards.
    There are no bastards like SNP bastards.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It has to be Penny, the country needs as Prime Minister somebody who has my sense of humour.

    Under her Premiership she'll have the Queen or Chas saying things like 'cock' in the Queen's speech.

    Are you saying she'll put cock in the mouth of HM?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    RochdalePioneers said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I hear the most memorable moment tonight was Tom Tugendhat's honest assessment on the liar Johnson.

    "no"
    The others seem to be tying themselves in knots as to why Boris is still awesome, but had to go.

    If Rishi talks about giving the benefit of the doubt again I may scream.

    I thought Tories were against being so generous with the giving of benefits anyway.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.

    Maybe it's nostalgia.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    dixiedean said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It has to be Penny, the country needs as Prime Minister somebody who has my sense of humour.

    Under her Premiership she'll have the Queen or Chas saying things like 'cock' in the Queen's speech.

    Are you saying she'll put cock in the mouth of HM?
    Yes.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,734
    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

    Any MP backing her after that is probably derailing their own career. I guess there will be some cover story that she was ill or similar
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    tlg86 said:

    TT made me want to puke.

    Blimey, that is really showing your love for Tom, Carrie Johnson would be proud.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835
    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

    No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    OnboardG1 said:

    dixiedean said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Course the super troll move would have been Rishi to wear the nice, yellow dress.
    But what bathroom would he use dixie? That's what the members want to know apparently.
    Absolute fail of a post. The best (least worst) thing to have emerged from all this is that there is a sane and rational consensus on the right hand side of the ledger about all that. It's an issue which can only bedamaging, and only to Labour.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,241
    tlg86 said:

    TT made me want to puke.

    Not a fan then?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,335
    With my Labour hat on, I was most worried about Penny winning, and that spelling trouble for Labour.

    I'm not worried any more. Very underwhelming, I thought, and would be out of her depth as PM.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    tlg86 said:

    TT made me want to puke.

    because?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Liz Truss was a disgrace.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,484
    tlg86 said:

    TT made me want to puke.

    Why, specifically?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    Northern_Al said:

    With my Labour hat on, I was most worried about Penny winning, and that spelling trouble for Labour.

    I'm not worried any more. Very underwhelming, I thought, and would be out of her depth as PM.

    Whereas Kemi Badenoch has demonstrated why she is a very real threat.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    So do all the best con men.

    But seriously, he was mostly clear and articulate, and he is correct he would be a clean start from the past. I take Casino_Royale's point about his style being somewhat nostalgic, but there are worst things to be nostalgic about.

    He should enjoy his weekend while he can, and with any luck at least not go backwards in supporters.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,700
    Truss out to 4.7.

    I suspect this reflects that even if MPs do put her into the Final against Sunak, she could well lose to him.

    Members will watch debates and I suspect many will be willing to switch their choice.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,335
    edited July 2022
    Casino_Royale said:

    Liz Truss was a disgrace.

    I think you mean ..................a.................................disgrace.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,241
    Casino_Royale said:

    Liz Truss was a disgrace.

    LOL! Why?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,117
    edited July 2022
    Northern_Al said:

    With my Labour hat on, I was most worried about Penny winning, and that spelling trouble for Labour.

    I'm not worried any more. Very underwhelming, I thought, and would be out of her depth as PM.

    I wouldn't agree with that. Her answer on the cost of living crisis - the importance of "keeping people going through the toughest times", immediately after Sunak's we've-done-everything-we-can smoothness, which can sometimes look like complacency, was once again both the most empathic, and the most politically and socially relevant for Labour.

    Clearly the longer-form conversational style suits her more though. She should hope for a different format next time.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    OnboardG1 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
    She would still have looked as if her best unhinged, vampiric lunacy days were a decade behind her
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,955
    ** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

    Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/
  • TresTres Posts: 2,691
    Stereodog said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
    I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
    covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,696
    pigeon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

    No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.
    Kemi. She'll pick up a lot of those braverman votes and probably quite a few of the TT votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the final three becomes Kemi, Rishi and Penny and a final two of Rishi vs one of the other two.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,497
    Casino_Royale said:

    Liz Truss was a disgrace.

    "We import two thirds of our candidates..."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,484
    Casino_Royale said:

    Liz Truss was a disgrace.

    Being a disgrace sounds more serious than just being useless. (I'm going to watch the debate later tonight).
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Omnium said:

    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

    Any MP backing her after that is probably derailing their own career. I guess there will be some cover story that she was ill or similar
    It is a SECRET vote, right (and correct)?
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Scott_xP said:

    ** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

    Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

    Please, please, please do. Nothing would be funnier.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,241
    Scott_xP said:

    ** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

    Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

    He'll never do it. For a start setting up a political takes organization skills that the current Prime Minister is somewhat lacking in...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    It always comes back to "who do you trust with the nuke codes" and, um, it's not great really is it.

    Sunak, maybe, because he's so fiscally responsible he doesn't want to waste the money, or something. Or Tugendhat: sensibly boring, boringly sensible. The others. Ummmm...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    Casino_Royale said:

    I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.

    Maybe it's nostalgia.

    I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM

    I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same

  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    IshmaelZ said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
    She would still have looked as if her best unhinged, vampiric lunacy days were a decade behind her
    She could have lept across the stage and chowed down on TT. Might even have been a slight improvement.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,751
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Betfair next pm:-

    2.2 Penny Mordaunt 45%
    3.55 Rishi Sunak 28%
    4.5 Liz Truss 22%
    38 Kemi Badenoch
    50 Tom Tugendhat
    240 Dominic Raab

    2.2 Penny Mordaunt 45%
    3.3 Rishi Sunak 30%
    4.6 Liz Truss 22%
    34 Kemi Badenoch
    55 Tom Tugendhat
    240 Dominic Raab

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

    Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

    He'll never do it. For a start setting up a political takes organization skills that the current Prime Minister is somewhat lacking in...
    Carrie will do the legwork
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,955
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

    Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

    He'll never do it. For a start setting up a political takes organization skills that the current Prime Minister is somewhat lacking in...
    He'll get Dom to do the hard work...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    solarflare said:

    It always comes back to "who do you trust with the nuke codes" and, um, it's not great really is it.

    Sunak, maybe, because he's so fiscally responsible he doesn't want to waste the money, or something. Or Tugendhat: sensibly boring, boringly sensible. The others. Ummmm...

    Wot? I was shitting a brick the whole time Boris had them.

    Say what you will about tonight's candidates but I don't with them.

    Except Truss - maybe.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    Boris Party would be less en marche, more like en my fat arse.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,484
    Leon said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.

    Maybe it's nostalgia.

    I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM

    I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same

    With the benefit of a little distance, it does seem that way.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    Andy_JS said:

    tlg86 said:

    TT made me want to puke.

    Why, specifically?
    The bit about the NHS. I know all politicians lay it on thick with audience interaction, but he took it to a new level.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,806
    In a way Tugendhat ought to win because he wasn't really trying to offer red meat to the base but talking to the country.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MaxPB said:

    pigeon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

    No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.
    Kemi. She'll pick up a lot of those braverman votes and probably quite a few of the TT votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the final three becomes Kemi, Rishi and Penny and a final two of Rishi vs one of the other two.
    There was something very flirty about Kemi saying to TT "he'll think differently when he's a minister." My dream is they have now hooked up at the afterparty and will announce a joint bid in the morning
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    Tres said:

    Stereodog said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
    I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
    covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
    It's a good point. I wonder if the necktie is going the way of the hat, after Spanish flu

    From universal to invisible, in a couple of decades (but accelerated here)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    Sir Keir Starmer is showing he is unfit to be Prime Minister, here's wearing the outfit of the football hooligan, Stone Fecking Island.




  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    IshmaelZ said:

    MaxPB said:

    pigeon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

    No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.
    Kemi. She'll pick up a lot of those braverman votes and probably quite a few of the TT votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the final three becomes Kemi, Rishi and Penny and a final two of Rishi vs one of the other two.
    There was something very flirty about Kemi saying to TT "he'll think differently when he's a minister." My dream is they have now hooked up at the afterparty and will announce a joint bid in the morning
    Well there's the unpleasant nightmare fuel for the evening... night all.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 685
    Watching that debate I was powerfully reminded of Jack Johnson and John Jackson, the two clone candidates from Futurama.

    “ Johnson: I say your three cent titanium tax goes too far.
    Jackson: And I say your three cent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!”
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    Casino_Royale said:

    solarflare said:

    It always comes back to "who do you trust with the nuke codes" and, um, it's not great really is it.

    Sunak, maybe, because he's so fiscally responsible he doesn't want to waste the money, or something. Or Tugendhat: sensibly boring, boringly sensible. The others. Ummmm...

    Wot? I was shitting a brick the whole time Boris had them.

    Say what you will about tonight's candidates but I don't with them.

    Except Truss - maybe.
    Boris is the Prime Minister.

    He still has the launch codes.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    Scott_xP said:

    ** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

    Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

    The full Salmond
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,734
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Omnium said:

    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

    Any MP backing her after that is probably derailing their own career. I guess there will be some cover story that she was ill or similar
    It is a SECRET vote, right (and correct)?
    Yes, but there are quite a few MPs that have declared their support for her. One or two (Kwarteng, Davison, etc) may well wish to reconsider.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326
    edited July 2022
    Tres said:

    Stereodog said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

    Also, good glassmanship

    I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
    Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
    I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
    covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
    Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?

    Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    Casino_Royale said:

    solarflare said:

    It always comes back to "who do you trust with the nuke codes" and, um, it's not great really is it.

    Sunak, maybe, because he's so fiscally responsible he doesn't want to waste the money, or something. Or Tugendhat: sensibly boring, boringly sensible. The others. Ummmm...

    Wot? I was shitting a brick the whole time Boris had them.

    Say what you will about tonight's candidates but I don't with them.

    Except Truss - maybe.
    Truss *definitely*.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is showing he is unfit to be Prime Minister, here's wearing the outfit of the football hooligan, Stone Fecking Island.




    Come and ave a go if you fink yer ard enuff.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2022
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is showing he is unfit to be Prime Minister, here's wearing the outfit of the football hooligan, Stone Fecking Island.




    Just showing his working class credentials.
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