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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Leon said:

    It is also, possibly, a wider secular trend in the West that is slowly spreading

    The rot started in the USA where median incomes have been treading water for ages - hence Trump. Then Britain fell into the trap. Hence Brexit. France looks like it is following, as income stagnates…

    And so on
    It’s the middle classes being hollowed out across the West, as large industry and manufacturing industries have largely moved to Asia, replaced by low-income warehouse and driving work.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723

    I’ve no idea how the man runs his business, which I presume makes money.

    He appears to very stupid - not in a way that makes him inarticulate - but just not able to distinguish woods and trees. Abominable judgment.
    Or he's just suggesting they draw a cock and balls on their ballot paper in the great British tradition ?

    Though they don't need 'allowing' to do that.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Selebian said:

    I've been, but I don't recall - it's just benches, isn't it? So pesumably the capacity varies with the mean girth of MPs? So if we elect a bunch of skinny whippets we can (partly at least) solve the problem?

    Mind you, with some of the recent revelations. I can understand MPs wanting to keep their distance from some other MPs...
    Although the skinniest whippet of the lot (JRM) defeats that by lounging full length.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302
    Wait, what?

    Per BBC, re Hancock’s endorsement of Rishi:

    The Tory MP chose to make the announcement on his own Matt Hancock app,

    There is a Matt Hancock App. Let that sink in,
  • eekeek Posts: 29,735
    edited July 2022
    Penddu2 said:

    The major reason that Westminster refurb is so expensive is that it is trying to repurpose a grandiose old building into a modern workplace - complete with IT, Security, AC, Fire supressant, etc - while working around its current inhabitants. Far better to relocate permanently to a modern purposebuilt complex (wherever) and to reinstate the core of Westminster as a tourist attraction. Should be massivley less costly.

    That appears to have not been a question no-one has actually asked - but given the people running the project that's not surprising.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    DavidL said:

    England haven't even used up half their overs yet. Unreal.

    This is an actual cricket match, or it’s a bunch of hired actors pretending to play, in order to attract dodgy Russian betting money?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    In a counterfactual based on PBer Northerners' bizarre fantasies, a four-bed victorian terrace in SW18 costs £300,000, the Bakerloo line has been permanently closed, suburban Leicester is the most desirable place to live in Britain, restaurants charging more than £40/head have been forcibly shut down, and Stoke is the capital of the UK.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302
    Re the VONC, to be honest it’s a classic party politics game. If the Tories were doing it Labour supporters would moan about it, it’s the other way around so it’s vice-versa. Westminster fluff.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    My apologies for not explaining all the steps of the thesis.

    Cameron used effectively quotas to change the face of the party, as was his explicit intent. Cameron succeeded. He changed the sort of people who became Tory candidates. The point of affirmative action like that is that it changes expectations, so that future intakes are different without needing quotas.

    Cameron changed the party. Many of the current leadership candidates directly benefited from that, being on the A list. Badenoch, shortly afterwards, benefited from a party having been changed by Cameron and his approach.
    Right, so she never benefited from a quota. Glad that's been cleared up.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Sandpit said:

    It’s the middle classes being hollowed out across the West, as large industry and manufacturing industries have largely moved to Asia, replaced by low-income warehouse and driving work.
    Noticeable that two developed countries who have managed to do reasonably OK, Canada and Australia, are heavily reliant on primary industries.
    They've provided the raw materials for the Chinese boom.
  • Wait, what?

    Per BBC, re Hancock’s endorsement of Rishi:

    The Tory MP chose to make the announcement on his own Matt Hancock app,

    There is a Matt Hancock App. Let that sink in,

    It looks brilliant
    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/matt-hancock-mp/id1318303651
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    I feel a Rishi v Truss contest is looking depressingly more likely.

    I tipped Mordaunt. She needs to pick up more of the ERG and perhaps continuity Boris vote.

    Labour will want Truss, followed by Rishi, followed by Mordaunt. Badenoch impossible to judge; she could - like Boris - attract public support from unlikely places.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723

    Only once they've built the other three walls
    A pedant points out it would need only be two.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I want the Tories removed a long long way from office. Whichever candidate they select as PM. But it is encouraging to think that people like Badenoch can actually be a serious contender for *the Tories*.

    The threat to Labour is simple. She is far more confident, articulate and sane that so many of the various prominent BAME equivalents are in Labour. A black woman who is a successful migrant saying lets cut the crap and focus on people's priorities goes way beyond what Labour can offer.
    Badenoch was born in Wimbledon.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,735

    In a counterfactual based on PBer Northerners' bizarre fantasies, a four-bed victorian terrace in SW18 costs £300,000, the Bakerloo line has been permanently closed, suburban Leicester is the most desirable place to live in Britain, restaurants charging more than £40/head have been forcibly shut down, and Stoke is the capital of the UK.

    Um none of those things sound like things we care about up North - I've been to Stoke and well um.....

    But it wouldn't surprise me to see the Bakerloo line closed down - it desperately needs new trains and a refurbishment.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited July 2022

    I feel a Rishi v Truss contest is looking depressingly more likely.

    I tipped Mordaunt. She needs to pick up more of the ERG and perhaps continuity Boris vote.

    Labour will want Truss, followed by Rishi, followed by Mordaunt. Badenoch impossible to judge; she could - like Boris - attract public support from unlikely places.

    I think Mordaunt can overtake Truss and perhaps also Badenoch — (overtake Truss).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,640

    The choice of re-location should be determined by number and standing of Premier league soccer clubs.
    Nottingham, then. :smile:
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Leon said:

    Hahaha

    You see the same in publishing. Some desperate PR people will say “book X has been translated into over 5 languages!”

    So, 6 languages, then
    One would hope it read more than five languages
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    In a counterfactual based on PBer Northerners' bizarre fantasies, a four-bed victorian terrace in SW18 costs £300,000, the Bakerloo line has been permanently closed, suburban Leicester is the most desirable place to live in Britain, restaurants charging more than £40/head have been forcibly shut down, and Stoke is the capital of the UK.

    I do feel that PB has an unhealthy skew towards retired, dessicated Tories living in unprepossessing bungalows.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    Wait, what?

    Per BBC, re Hancock’s endorsement of Rishi:

    The Tory MP chose to make the announcement on his own Matt Hancock app,

    There is a Matt Hancock App. Let that sink in,

    Is that so you can arrange not to be in his vicinity?
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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    DavidL said:

    Indeed she is. By referring the matter herself at this point she is stopping others from referring it later and her losing at that stage. It's clever but not in accordance with the Act.
    That means you have explained it well to me then David if I understood ok. I was out of school the week they done law.
    In that case then I completely changed my view on it from first post - it probably took UK government all this time to respond because they were too busy laughing at the doomed cheek of it. 🤭
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822


    That is a fair point. She is probably a riskier candidate than some. If she avoids being Home Secretary a good bet for next leader but one?

    Yes
  • Do voters in the Red Wall believe Brexit is done and behind us or still a work in progress?

    Still a work in progress 67%
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  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited July 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    I think Mordaunt can overtake Truss and perhaps also Badenoch — (overtake Truss).
    Me too, but I just fear it’s less likely than it was looking yesterday.

    I genuinely think Mordaunt and perhaps even Badenoch would be better for the country than Rishi or Truss.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405
    eek said:

    Um none of those things sound like things we care about up North - I've been to Stoke and well um.....

    But it wouldn't surprise me to see the Bakerloo line closed down - it desperately needs new trains and a refurbishment.

    It needs extending to Lewisham.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302
    Andy_JS said:

    I think Mordaunt can overtake Truss and perhaps also Badenoch — (overtake Truss).
    Mordaunt needs to cut some deals if she’s going to leapfrog Truss. Basically she’s got to prevent her hoovering up the Zahawi, Suella, Priti and Badenoch backers.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    edited July 2022

    Love this review

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    This app filled a void in my life that I never even knew was there, and now I don’t know if I can go back. It’s a terrible burden to bear. The love of Matt Hancock is a dangerous drug. It makes you feel like the king of the world can lick your boots, like you could wrestle a gorilla and throw him to Portugal once you’re done with him.


    But once you’ve felt it, living without it is like watching William Burroughs threatening God with a shotgun while you lick broken glass off the rails of the Berlin U-Bahn. Get this app. But only if you’re prepared to submit not just to the terms and conditions, but to a new life.


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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited July 2022
    Opinium has a poll apparently, not a survey, showing Sunak beating both Truss and Mordaunt with the membership.
    But only just.
    By 4 and 7 points respectively with 20% don't knows.
    Underrating his chances I feel.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302

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  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited July 2022

    Mordaunt needs to cut some deals if she’s going to leapfrog Truss. Basically she’s got to prevent her hoovering up the Zahawi, Suella, Priti and Badenoch backers.

    Yes, she needs one of them - or perhaps even Tom - to pull out and support her.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,787

    Me too, but I just fear it’s less likely than it was looking yesterday.

    I genuinely think Mordaunt and perhaps even Badenoch would be better for the country than Rishi or Truss.
    Agree. The other two (confess I like neither) will always to open to the question about why they continued to prop up the worst PM of all time.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Selebian said:

    I've been, but I don't recall - it's just benches, isn't it? So pesumably the capacity varies with the mean girth of MPs? So if we elect a bunch of skinny whippets we can (partly at least) solve the problem?

    Mind you, with some of the recent revelations. I can understand MPs wanting to keep their distance from some other MPs...
    Some of the Victorian MPs were pretty porky. But IIRC it was a problem even in 1945 after rationing etc. Churchill made the positive decision not to remedy it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    eek said:

    Um none of those things sound like things we care about up North - I've been to Stoke and well um.....

    But it wouldn't surprise me to see the Bakerloo line closed down - it desperately needs new trains and a refurbishment.
    They really need to close vast swathes of the Underground, one line at a time, for extensive refurbishment. Which really means re-boring the tunnels, making platforms straight and with edge doors. It’s a monumental undertaking, but will likely be cheaper in the long term than continuing to plug the leaks.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,640
    Andy_JS said:

    Why can't Parliament tour around the country while they do the renovations? 6 months in each city.
    The European Parliament travelling to Strasbourg for one week a month costs Brussels £100m a year or thereabouts, which is essentially a payment to fund French vanity in exchange for not throwing tantrums.

    It wouldn't really work here imo.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Sandpit said:

    This is an actual cricket match, or it’s a bunch of hired actors pretending to play, in order to attract dodgy Russian betting money?
    Not sure. I heard yesterday on the commentary of the women's game that Russian gamblers had been conned into betting on a non existent IPL match where every time the ball left the limited screen the umpire indicated 4 or 6. It's maybe a bit like that.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161
    Leon said:

    There’s a similar article in the FT: the new decline of Britain

    The graphs are quite shocking in how UK median income is falling behind, even as we do OK-ish on GDP per capita (suggesting rising inequality)

    Moreover, the turning point in all the graphs is the Great Financial Crisis, not Brexit. Up to 2008 the UK was steaming ahead and even overtaking all west European peers, in 2008 we stumbled and fell, and have never recovered

    Something happened in 2008. The easy answer is we borrowed too much and when credit was squeezed, ouch. But that is true of many countries. What was particular to Britain that changed in 2008?
    We lost our nerve and stopped believing that a better future was possible. Brexit was borne of such a defeatist mindset, that we couldn't argue our case in Europe, but had to retreat. With such a pessimistic attitude you don't get business investment for the future, you see businesses sweating their existing assets for short-term returns - because who knows how bad things will be in a few years time? This is also why existing homeowners are so determined to defend the value of their houses. With no confidence in the future they are desperate to defend what they have.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,821
    Hoping for a Kemi vs Rishi final two. Think Kemi would win it too, her message is very much back to basics against Rishi who now seems to want to fence sit as badly as Starmer.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    Yes, but it is much reduced if the leader has a serious track record, rather than being a Kemi-come-lately.
    So you want a leader with the experience of managing a major department in the stellar Johnson administration. “Time for a change” is out then, more “Steady as she goes” and “Building on Success” (sic)?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    I haven't come up with a Viz name for Kemi as yet – no offence intended to her by the omission, if she's reading, I'm working on it.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815

    Agree. The other two (confess I like neither) will always to open to the question about why they continued to prop up the worst PM of all time.
    There's a surprising amount of pb consensus over orders of preference from people who normally disagree.

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    So you want a leader with the experience of managing a major department in the stellar Johnson administration. “Time for a change” is out then, more “Steady as she goes” and “Building on Success” (sic)?
    Yeah, well, if the party had listened to me they wouldn't be starting from here. There are no good options.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited July 2022
    Priti Patel has dropped out. Don't know if that was mentioned earlier on here.

    Her failure on channel crossings probably did for her leadership ambitions.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    Leon said:

    ALL the reviews are superb


    Oh dear
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    DavidL said:

    Not sure. I heard yesterday on the commentary of the women's game that Russian gamblers had been conned into betting on a non existent IPL match where every time the ball left the limited screen the umpire indicated 4 or 6. It's maybe a bit like that.
    Yes, there was a fake IPL match in India, purely to attract bets which were never paid out afterwards. Perhaps today’s most bizzare news story.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/07/11/conmen-set-fake-indian-premier-league-tournament-make-thousands/
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,918
    Cookie said:

    There's a surprising amount of pb consensus over orders of preference from people who normally disagree.

    Is there anyone here who actually supports Rishi, except as a means to avoid Truss?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,640
    edited July 2022

    I do feel that PB has an unhealthy skew towards retired, dessicated Tories living in unprepossessing bungalows.
    Sounds like a proposal that would get Tories lots of votes from Generation Rent.

    And imagine all those self-satisfied property speculators who would be a bit poorer.

    Suburban Leicester and similar are on the up; we are now 30 years into the National Forest.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,677
    The Palace of Westminster is ugly as feck. Knock it down and build some trendy apartments by the river. With the proceeds we can build a new purpose-built facility up north.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Andy_JS said:

    Priti Patel has dropped out. Don't know if that was mentioned earlier on here.

    Technically she was never in.
    Interesting that she hasn't publicly endorsed. She's a wily one for sure.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302
    edited July 2022

    Agree. The other two (confess I like neither) will always to open to the question about why they continued to prop up the worst PM of all time.
    Rishi vs Liz would be a predicable but depressing final 2.

    It is by far the most likely outcome right now.

    I hope the membership get one senior cabinet figure and one new broom, so that they actually have a choice of someone not particularly close to Boris’ government.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,691

    So you want a leader with the experience of managing a major department in the stellar Johnson administration. “Time for a change” is out then, more “Steady as she goes” and “Building on Success” (sic)?
    Starmer has been successful as an anti-Corbyn leader, despite a central role in Corbyn's shadow cabinet. Likewise, I think Sunak or others may be successful as anti-Johnson leaders despite their prior roles. (Truss, however, probably wants to court the Borisites.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,723
    It's hard to tell if this is a piss take or not.

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1546823188012744706
    First all MP Tory leadership hustings is **tonight**.

    Any candidate with over 20 MPs support will be grilled on their approach to the culture wars including controversial statues and British history by the Common Sense Group of Tory MPs
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,821

    Yeah, well, if the party had listened to me they wouldn't be starting from here. There are no good options.
    I think Kemi is a good option, would be a big risk. Sometimes you do just have to take a punt though.

    To my mind Rishi probably scrapes 315-330 seats just by not being completely dishonest and a mega dick bag. Kemi could get anywhere from 250 seats (failure to launch, badly out of her depth) to 370 seats (public ready for radical change in the Tory party and she's able to leave the stink of Boris behind on day 1).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    The Palace of Westminster is ugly as feck. Knock it down and build some trendy apartments by the river. With the proceeds we can build a new purpose-built facility up north.

    QED
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    My order of preference

    Mordaunt
    Badenoch
    Sunak
    Truss

    It does seem to be those four

    My risk taking gene says Badenoch. The country needs a complete post-Brexit reset; fuck it, do it
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073

    App features include… live video from Matt Hancock.

    I hope that doesn’t include CCTV…
    I paused for a long time for a similar reference, but in the end all I typed in my post was, oh dear
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302
    Marco Longhi endorses Kemi. Now 3 away from the 20 threshold (per Guido)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815

    It needs extending to Lewisham.
    It needs extending to Manchester, Leeds, Wigan and Scotland, and all the London stations north of Paddington closed down. And being renamed 'HS2'.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,759
    edited July 2022
    Sandpit said:

    It’s the middle classes being hollowed out across the West, as large industry and manufacturing industries have largely moved to Asia, replaced by low-income warehouse and driving work.
    Entirely self inflicted too.

    The factories didn't fly to the East, they were built there. Western capitalists gifted the legacy of generations of workers to the CCP.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Andy_JS said:

    Priti Patel has dropped out. Don't know if that was mentioned earlier on here.

    Her failure on channel crossings probably did for her leadership ambitions.

    I think it is designated as "Not runnin'...."
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    MattW said:

    Sounds like a proposal that would get Tories lots of votes from Generation Rent.

    Suburban Leicester and similar are on the up; we are now 30 years into the National Forest.
    I’m a big fan of the National Forest, tho I wish it had a better name.

    We need something similar east of Nottingham, too, and - as I’ve suggested on here in the past, expand Epping Forest and connect it to the heart of East London.

  • As I said recently, picking Kemi is playing Bazball

    We should all play more Bazball
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,640

    I am completely unpersuaded that someone with so little senior ministerial experience will win. She stood in order to get a Cabinet post, not to win. It will be easy for a Sunak or a Truss to say, "The UK is facing many big challenges, you need someone with experience."

    If the Right want a better candidate than Truss (and Truss seems terrible to me), then I suggest they work out who it is quickly, but they pick someone a bit more senior!
    Not convincing.

    So Rishi, how did you fix it whilst gaining your experience?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,636

    Is there anyone here who actually supports Rishi, except as a means to avoid Truss?
    Yes, I think I qualify. I just want some sensible government between now and the election, and RS clears that fairly low bar.

    TT would be my preference but he's far too sensible to appeal to the Party, and fails on other counts too. Glad to see him having a decent run though.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,479
    Not beyond the bounds of possibility that Badenoch makes it through to the final two.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,198
    Sandpit said:

    It’s the middle classes being hollowed out across the West, as large industry and manufacturing industries have largely moved to Asia, replaced by low-income warehouse and driving work.
    What I find fascinating is the reaction of a range of people to the idea of having industries based in the UK.

    A considerable chunk of the progressive types have absorbed the idea that you can't compete on price with "PhDs for $1 a week in China". Despite the fact that there is a small thing called productivity to consider. And you can get someone with a PhD to work for you in China for a dollar a week, either.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,640
    Pulpstar said:

    The actual chamber would be very easy to replicate in any good sized country house. The offices, less so.

    How many MPs, Lords and hangars on actually work in Westminster though ?
    Is Wentworth Woodhouse still for sale?

    They could build an invisible office block like Ford at Castle Ashby.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Sandpit said:

    Yes, there was a fake IPL match in India, purely to attract bets which were never paid out afterwards. Perhaps today’s most bizzare news story.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/07/11/conmen-set-fake-indian-premier-league-tournament-make-thousands/
    Hold my beer ... I was juyst looking at this one. Apparently rehab centres for treating addiction to crypto are a thing. Complete with tasteful photos of walkies in the local Borders scenery.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jul/12/they-couldnt-even-scream-any-more-they-were-just-sobbing-the-amateur-investors-ruined-by-the-crypto-crash

    'In May, jobless and broke, Roy checked into Castle Craig, one of the only centres in the world that treats cryptocurrency addiction. (He lost his job when he relapsed; his rehab fees are covered by medical insurance.) His cryptocurrency portfolio is worth about €300. Now, amid the incongruous grandeur of a Scottish stately home, he is attempting to rebuild his life – and quieten the tormenting thought that he should have pulled out his money when he had the chance.

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,107

    There is another important consideration that points towards the need to go with experience. Boris Johnson will be hovering in the wings, waiting for his successor to screw up and offer him a path back to power. Going with someone with limited experience in a big job would carry a huge risk of allowing Johnson back in.
    Nah, he’s lazier than Trump, more discredited than Trump, and doesn’t start with the following. Brits are too busy doing the garden, tending the BBQ and waiting for the kettle to boil to bother going off to storm Parliament to restore that fat lying slob to his undeserved throne.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Guido’s spreadsheet has 180 backers, only half the Parliamentary party so far - including 18 who went for the non-runners Patel and Shapps.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ffqemZ-YOi7AvAw8HbxmMd0vIbsOXLZ7KpAmNQPD2r8/htmlview#gid=0

    Looks like a nine-horse race, with only Chrishti unlikely to be nominated.

    Sunak
    Truss
    Mourdaunt
    Tugendhat
    Badenoch
    Zahawi
    Hunt
    Javid
    Braverman
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited July 2022
    Liz Truss was the most supportive cabinet minister in helping me get Brexit opportunities, she is the right choice for the party and the country @trussliz #LizForLeader

    https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1546861727886753794
    So that’s,

    - Imperial Measures
    - Signs in the Dartford tunnel
    - Er, that’s it….
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,691

    Rishi vs Liz would be a predicable but depressing final 2.

    It is by far the most likely outcome right now.

    I hope the membership get one senior cabinet figure and one new broom, so that they actually have a choice of someone not particularly close to Boris’ government.
    Can you expand on what you mean by a new broom? We've got candidates who are "old", long-standing, but who are "broom", aggressively anti-BJ, like Hunt. We've got candidates who are "new", like Badenoch, but whose right-wing populism is ideologically something of a continuation of the departing regime, so she's not very "broom".

    Truss is old and not-broom. It seems to me that Mordaunt is relatively new and relatively broom, although she's trying to court both sides. Tugendhat is new broom, if he looks and sounds more old-fashioned... maybe he's new feather duster...
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    Thursday, 1 February, 2018
    Matt Hancock app

    Starting today, 1 February, there is an exciting new development in the world of digital communications – the Matt Hancock app. I am the first MP to have my own app and it is a big step forward in the way MPs are able to communicate with their constituents.

    On the app, you will be able to get updates from me on all the news and issues going on in West Suffolk. But the most exciting part of the app is through the Have Your Say section. There, you can contact me, as well as getting in touch with other app users in the community. I want to hear about the issues that are most important to you.

    Download the Matt Hancock MP app

    This free app is launched today and is available for both iOS/Android devices by searching “Matt Hancock MP” in Apple’s App store or in the Google Play store. I hope you will download it today.

    https://www.matt-hancock.com/news/matt-hancock-mp-app-here
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,502
    dixiedean said:

    Noticeable that two developed countries who have managed to do reasonably OK, Canada and Australia, are heavily reliant on primary industries.
    They've provided the raw materials for the Chinese boom.
    Italy has done notably badly since 2000.

    The USA is strange in that while GDP her head has risen quite strongly, median incomes have hardly budged in thirty year.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,174
    DavidL said:

    Not sure. I heard yesterday on the commentary of the women's game that Russian gamblers had been conned into betting on a non existent IPL match where every time the ball left the limited screen the umpire indicated 4 or 6. It's maybe a bit like that.
    That fictitious IPL match was the Trodmore races scam updated for the 21st Century.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trodmore_Racecourse
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815

    I’m a big fan of the National Forest, tho I wish it had a better name.

    We need something similar east of Nottingham, too, and - as I’ve suggested on here in the past, expand Epping Forest and connect it to the heart of East London.

    "we need something similar east of Nottingham" - I thought you were in New York? That's a long way east of Nottingham.

    I rather like the countryside East of Nottingham as it is, but some creative thinking could make it more recreation-freindly.
    I very much like your Epping Forest suggestion.
    I have had similar thoughts about whether Delamere Forest in Cheshire might be expanded.
    There is a role in Britain for areas akin to mini-National Parks like these.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    dixiedean said:

    Opinium has a poll apparently, not a survey, showing Sunak beating both Truss and Mordaunt with the membership.
    But only just.
    By 4 and 7 points respectively with 20% don't knows.
    Underrating his chances I feel.

    I'd love to know how Opinium works out how to conduct a poll of Tory members.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    The prospect of a PM setting out on a promise to slash the State would be a Labour dream right now.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,918
    MattW said:

    Is Wentworth Woodhouse still for sale?

    They could build an invisible office block like Ford at Castle Ashby.
    It was sold to a trust who are trying to do it up (slowly).

    MPs would feel right at home with the leaky roof and the shabby 1960s accommodation blocks nearby.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    Michael Masi has walked away from the FIA
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    Carnyx said:

    Hold my beer ... I was juyst looking at this one. Apparently rehab centres for treating addiction to crypto are a thing. Complete with tasteful photos of walkies in the local Borders scenery.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jul/12/they-couldnt-even-scream-any-more-they-were-just-sobbing-the-amateur-investors-ruined-by-the-crypto-crash

    'In May, jobless and broke, Roy checked into Castle Craig, one of the only centres in the world that treats cryptocurrency addiction. (He lost his job when he relapsed; his rehab fees are covered by medical insurance.) His cryptocurrency portfolio is worth about €300. Now, amid the incongruous grandeur of a Scottish stately home, he is attempting to rebuild his life – and quieten the tormenting thought that he should have pulled out his money when he had the chance.

    “It’s heartbreaking,” Roy says, softly. “I hate myself for the fact that I didn’t take it out.”'
    Addiction to crypto - or, rather, addiction to the dopamine rollercoaster of crypto trading, is most definitely a thing

    I know two people who have it, and one relationship nearly broken by it
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,174
    Carnyx said:

    Hold my beer ... I was juyst looking at this one. Apparently rehab centres for treating addiction to crypto are a thing. Complete with tasteful photos of walkies in the local Borders scenery.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jul/12/they-couldnt-even-scream-any-more-they-were-just-sobbing-the-amateur-investors-ruined-by-the-crypto-crash

    'In May, jobless and broke, Roy checked into Castle Craig, one of the only centres in the world that treats cryptocurrency addiction. (He lost his job when he relapsed; his rehab fees are covered by medical insurance.) His cryptocurrency portfolio is worth about €300. Now, amid the incongruous grandeur of a Scottish stately home, he is attempting to rebuild his life – and quieten the tormenting thought that he should have pulled out his money when he had the chance.

    “It’s heartbreaking,” Roy says, softly. “I hate myself for the fact that I didn’t take it out.”'
    In what sense are crypto losers addicted, rather than just investors who did not get out in time?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815
    Leon said:

    My order of preference

    Mordaunt
    Badenoch
    Sunak
    Truss

    It does seem to be those four

    My risk taking gene says Badenoch. The country needs a complete post-Brexit reset; fuck it, do it

    Agree with you entirely.
    Is TT still around? I can't work out where he comes in my list. All I know is that it's ahead of Truss.

    And I should stress, I quite like Liz Truss. I don't share the derision of others on here about her, and I've a small bet on her to win. But it's all about the presentation, the ability to speak, to connect - it's just not what I'd like it to be.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,691
    MattW said:

    Not convincing.

    So Rishi, how did you fix it whilst gaining your experience?
    He takes credit for everything that went well and blames everything that went badly on Johnson and the rest of the Cabinet.

    How convincing you find that... I personally don't think much of Sunak... but Starmer after Corbyn, Brown after Blair... Sturgeon after Salmond?... it's common for new leaders to have been close to the old leadership but to present themselves as a change, to present themselves as experienced yet held back by the old boss.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    IanB2 said:

    Nah, he’s lazier than Trump, more discredited than Trump, and doesn’t start with the following. Brits are too busy doing the garden, tending the BBQ and waiting for the kettle to boil to bother going off to storm Parliament to restore that fat lying slob to his undeserved throne.
    LOL!
  • In what sense are crypto losers addicted, rather than just investors who did not get out in time?
    Investor isn't the right word

    Unless this blog is investment advice
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    I was expecting this from the lefty’s.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,454
    Anyone know what this VONC tomorrow is supposed to achieve?

    Labour are looking pretty good at the moment looking on high at this Tory fiasco.
    Why would they want to become embroiled without any obvious end goal?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,691
    Sean_F said:

    Italy has done notably badly since 2000.

    The USA is strange in that while GDP her head has risen quite strongly, median incomes have hardly budged in thirty year.
    The US isn't strange. The US is a lesson in the dangers of unchecked capitalism.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,107
    Leon said:

    It is also, possibly, a wider secular trend in the West that is slowly spreading

    The rot started in the USA where median incomes have been treading water for ages - hence Trump. Then Britain fell into the trap. Hence Brexit. France looks like it is following, as income stagnates…

    And so on
    The theory that the fall of communism removed the threat of ‘the workers’ turning toward an alternative economic model and hence removed the imperative for western governments to ensure that the benefits of capitalist growth were spread reasonably fairly remains persuasive, even though there isn’t much empirical evidence to support it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    In what sense are crypto losers addicted, rather than just investors who did not get out in time?
    The excitement? Buying and selling? I dunno. Not like me - put money in a unit trust and leave it etc. But Leon confirms it is a Thing. Personally, if I wanted cheap thrills, I'd rather go and have a walk along the Tweed and a few pints in the pubs in Peebles.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,918
    edited July 2022

    Yes, I think I qualify. I just want some sensible government between now and the election, and RS clears that fairly low bar.

    TT would be my preference but he's far too sensible to appeal to the Party, and fails on other counts too. Glad to see him having a decent run though.
    Fair enough. I can see the 'sensible' argument given what we've had but that also seems a bit 'managed decline' to me.

    He also sounds too much like a conglomerate of Ed Miliband and George Osborne.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,502
    Sandpit said:

    Guido’s spreadsheet has 180 backers, only half the Parliamentary party so far - including 18 who went for the non-runners Patel and Shapps.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ffqemZ-YOi7AvAw8HbxmMd0vIbsOXLZ7KpAmNQPD2r8/htmlview#gid=0

    Looks like a nine-horse race, with only Chrishti unlikely to be nominated.

    Sunak
    Truss
    Mourdaunt
    Tugendhat
    Badenoch
    Zahawi
    Hunt
    Javid
    Braverman

    Mordaunt or Badenoch would be my choices. Its time to roll the dice.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited July 2022
    The smart thing for Kemi Badenoch to do now would be to move very slightly to the left. She's got the right-wing vote sewn up already. Patel and Braverman's votes will mostly go her way regardless.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    Roger said:

    Anyone know what this VONC tomorrow is supposed to achieve?

    Labour are looking pretty good at the moment looking on high at this Tory fiasco.
    Why would they want to become embroiled without any obvious end goal?

    Political grandstanding, keeping the pressure on and showing their voter base that they are holding the government to account.

    Waste of time really but political parties do stuff like this.
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