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Mourdant's tome has endorsement from BILL GATES? Talk about a hostage to fortune!Gardenwalker said:
Yes but Elton John? Bill Gates?Casino_Royale said:
None of them will have read it.Gardenwalker said:
Wow, I did not know this existed.williamglenn said:
Her book has a forward by Bill Gates and promo quotes from Tony Blair, Richard Branson and Elton John.Casino_Royale said:It's a good point on Mordaunt's Wokery.
I read her book where she spent a good few pages having a go at It Ain't Have Hot Mum for having a "full house".
You can be sure that would all come out in a leadership campaign. I'm not sure how it would affect the MP votes but it would hurt her with the members.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Greater-Penny-Mordaunt-Chris-Lewis/dp/1785906097/
It even has positive promo quotes from Elton bloody John. How did she manage that?
There's a whole PR industry around getting famous people to sign up to quotes and citations about books they haven't so much as browsed.
This is not like paying £50 to Nigel Farage on Cameo so that he’ll wish a happy Brexit to Amanda Hugandkiss.
FYI, he's pretty much dog-shit in Seattle. After earning his merit badges at boy-scout jamborees with Epstein, Maxwell, Bill Clinton, etc. on Fantasy Island.
BTW, when was (this) PM's book published? Bill Gates's beach blanket bingo hit the fan May of 2021.0 -
Why should we trust your first post, thickie?KevinB said:There is a lot of affection for Johnson in the red wall trust me The daily mail is playing to this constituency I honestly think this could all backfire on the conservatives
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I've faith humans would find the right balance. But they're not being allowed to. The state is shoehorning people down the hyper woke route - as any visit to a secondary school will attest. If we could simply stop doing so and let what needs to happen, happen, there wouldn't be so much resistance.MoonRabbit said:
It’s not a problem with me. But what is it anyway, packed under woke umbrella? Can you really get away with everything from ain’t alf hot mum to trans gender rights in sport, offensive statues to he she and they without accepting your doing nothing but Wallace trying to hold a door like knut held the tide? Everything single one of those things are considered on merit not blanket labelled - where’s your faith gone that each considered on merit we will find the happy medium on each, where is all your lily livened fears coming from? Do they burst forth like Zeus when you get your first fuddyduddy birthday card?Luckyguy1983 said:
It's the worst thing about her.Foxy said:
Oh yes. Just look up her Mumsnet interview.Leon said:
Oh God, is she Woke??Casino_Royale said:It's a good point on Mordaunt's Wokery.
I read her book where she spent a good few pages having a go at It Ain't Have Hot Mum for having a "full house".
You can be sure that would all come out in a leadership campaign. I'm not sure how it would affect the MP votes but it would hurt her with the members.
Moaning about “woke” is a lack of faith in the human spirit will get things right.
Leave Penny alone on woke 😠0 -
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To be fair I only buy the Guardian on Saturday because my daughter and I like to do the killer sudoku together.Gardenwalker said:
Not only that but the doltish pairing of Moscow and Brussels. Xenophobic tripe, spoon fed to hateful elderly dribblers.Farooq said:
Sure, fine. I'm just pointing out that this grubby attempt to insinuate that Boris's enemies are foreign is in the finest tradition of ignoring two third of our own country.Stuartinromford said:
But it's also a fair point that some people still really loved Boris. And their votes count as much as anyone else's- maybe more, if they are people who turn out a lot in the right seats.Farooq said:
He's hated up and down this country too. The polling is pretty clear.Leon said:
That’s just true. Eurocrats hated Boris, Putin and Co hate him now he’s so vividly pro-UkraineGardenwalker said:Corks are popping in Brussels and Moscow apparently. What on earth is the Mail smoking?
Sorry your man turned out so shit.
I can't remember who first articualted the theory that Johnson had a low floor but a high ceiling for his popularity; he'd probably lead the Conservatives to a calamatous defeat, but might just work his magic one more time. Whereas anyone else would steer the Conservatives to a smaller but almost certain defeat (higher floor, lower celing).
Ditching Boris was the right thing to do, and should have happened ages ago. But it isn't cost-free.
I believe Big G gets it “for the sudoku”.1 -
I’m loving every second of this. That Mail front page is pure gold dust.HYUFD said:
It took 15 years for the Tory party to get over the toppling of Thatcher in 1990, most of them spent in division and opposition until Cameron was elected in 2005. Boris is no Thatcher but the wounds will not easily healGardenwalker said:The stab-in-the-back myth is lurching to life even as we write.
Looking forward to the bit where Boris and Nadine lead a beer-hall putsch in Munich.
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And even if he somehow succeeded, the Tories settle on a leader immediately who then deselects him and boots him out of the party.Pulpstar said:
Things have changed since when I posted about this earlier - he'd be refused now as he's no longer leader of the largest party.FrankBooth said:Extraordinary. Minister on Newsnight saying he wouldn't comment when pressed on if Johnson might try to cut and run for an election whilst in his caretaker role.
Simples.
He can no longer win an election and remain PM under any circumstances0 -
Yes lots love him in the red wall. These people have been betrayed and they won't forget itdixiedean said:There are some people up here who adore Boris. And I mean love him. Not the Conservative Party.
Their numbers were grossly exaggerated when he was riding high. They are in danger of being substantially under counted now he's gone.
That's all I'm saying.0 -
The Christian service includes according to God's holy law and exchange of rings in the sight of Father, Son and Holy Ghost so does take a small part.IshmaelZ said:
That's only 2 out of 3. What about JC, or are you embarrassed about his blindingly obv homosexual relationship with John?HYUFD said:
I most certainly will, I signed the register which is quite enough, however I made by marriage vows in the sight of God and the holy ghost not the stateCarnyx said:
In that case you shouldn't expect the state to consider you married.HYUFD said:
Well I don't, I refuse to take vows twice when I have already made vows under a religious ceremony. Especially as the religious ones have more meaning for me than any secular civil ones.Farooq said:
But you legally have to speak some vows, as well, no? And certain religious ministers are legally empowered to administer them, while other celebrants are not. That's the bit I think should change. I think either any celebrant should be recognised, or only the state-employed registrar. Anything else is an invitation to state-sanctioned unequal access which is never what the state should do.HYUFD said:
You still have to sign the register, even in a Church of England service like I had last year. It is the register signing that effectively makes it legal not the ceremony, whether religious or civilFarooq said:
Yes, which is why I personally strongly believe in keeping religion away from all parts of the state. Including up to the point of not recognising (future) religious ceremonies as legal marriages. Have a registrar there if you want to be legally married, but the hocus pocus crap from the priest is just between you and your God.Carnyx said:
Things really starts getting complex when one looks at the C of E, which is supposed to be an integral part of the state, and yet won't celebrate single-sex marriages made legal by the same state. Not a discussion I'm particularly interested in digging into, but just a comment on the sort of anomaly one gets with the concept of an Established church where the person in charge (for now) is a RC and the state's laws don't match the church's ideology.Farooq said:
Why should a registrar get to refuse to marry two people of the same sex? Employees of the state should never be allowed to discriminate in performing their services. That's the state sanctioning bigotry and does not fit at all with my idea of liberalism.Foxy said:
It's a bit more nuanced than that. He voted for Gay marriage in the bill's early stages, but abstained in the final vote as he wanted protection for registrars and similar who didn't want to perform gay marriages on conscience grounds. So on that issue very compatible with the definition of Liberal.Carnyx said:
Oh dear. Not very liberal, was it, trying to fiddle things so that others' beliefs were banned/suppressed?Beibheirli_C said:
No, Tim Farron found himself on the wrong end of the "belief spectrum" and voted against the Equality Act, tried to timetable the Same Sex Marriage Act so that it would fail and alienated a lot of the LDs. Years later, in a Guardian interview, he claimed that he only went along with the LDs position on LGBT issues but wished he had not done soCookie said:
I don't think Tim Farron did, to be fair to him. The media found his religion so peculiar it focused on it relentlessly, but he didn't really want to talk about it - seemed very keen to separate the sacred and the profane.Beibheirli_C said:
If he wants to do religion he can take it to church, but evangelical types seem to have a need to force the rest of us to live by their beliefs. To govern, we need people who can cope with the modern world and not someone who thinks the Universe and the planet run on the basis of a 2,000 year old set of multiply translated fictions.HYUFD said:
Steve Baker would also be the second evangelical Christian party leader after Tim Farron and our first openly Christian evangelical PMgeoffw said:If the Tories want a principled leader who understands politics and is not tarnished by association with the Borisian shambles they need look no further than Steve Baker. There, I've said it.
Earlier in his career he had voted against some of the same sex issues in the Equality Act of 2007, such as adoption. Several well regarded religious adoption agencies discontinued when required to comply with the act.
The signing of the register for religious and civil ceremonies is quite enough
You can mock Christ, I could mock the prophet of your religion of heritage but of course some of them would then impose a Fatwa0 -
Which shows the spectacularly low quality of the current crop of Ministers. Your answer is as obvious as it is perfect and any Minister worth his or her salt would have replied with such a comment immediately.wooliedyed said:
Pointless. Hes no longer Tory party leader, he wouldnt be PM even if they won and would have no part in the manifesto etc.FrankBooth said:Extraordinary. Minister on Newsnight saying he wouldn't comment when pressed on if Johnson might try to cut and run for an election whilst in his caretaker role.
That the interviewer asked such a question ... 😒0 -
Mr Invisible.Alistair said:Ben Wallace used to be an MSP!
Amazed i did not know that until 5 mins ago.0 -
Remember those who hate Johnson were middle classes in the South and South East. Those people may return to the tories but won't gain them many seats0
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Ooh I think that was my theory! At least, I expressed it. I may not have been the first. I still think it's true though.Stuartinromford said:
But it's also a fair point that some people still really loved Boris. And their votes count as much as anyone else's- maybe more, if they are people who turn out a lot in the right seats.Farooq said:
He's hated up and down this country too. The polling is pretty clear.Leon said:
That’s just true. Eurocrats hated Boris, Putin and Co hate him now he’s so vividly pro-UkraineGardenwalker said:Corks are popping in Brussels and Moscow apparently. What on earth is the Mail smoking?
Sorry your man turned out so shit.
I can't remember who first articualted the theory that Johnson had a low floor but a high ceiling for his popularity; he'd probably lead the Conservatives to a calamatous defeat, but might just work his magic one more time. Whereas anyone else would steer the Conservatives to a smaller but almost certain defeat (higher floor, lower celing).
Ditching Boris was the right thing to do, and should have happened ages ago. But it isn't cost-free.2 -
Non sequitur of the week.bondegezou said:
It is nonsense to claim that these issues are never addressed. I read about them on PB.com most weeks, for starters.IshmaelZ said:
OK, can we back up a bit?bondegezou said:
How often does Leon turn up the chance of posting some inflammatory Islamophobic nonsense? Seldom.Leon said:
How often is the fairly rampant anti Semitism of some Muslim communities addressed? Seldom. How often is the widespread homophobia of many Muslim communities addressed? Never, as far as I can seeNickPalmer said:
What? Not my impression that the Islamic community are protected from scrutiny - their beliefs are widely and IMo unfairly regarded with suspicion, and attacked every few days in mainstream media, because some lunatics claim to share them. Evangelicals are seen as a bit cranky, but few would go further than that. I don't really care what Baker's beliefs are, unless they affect his policies.algarkirk said:
To be fair to evangelicals - who are mostly really nice and decent people - those in politics tend to get hammered, like Farron, for having views which are unfashionable but fairly widely shared, while Roman Catholics and the Islamic community also have all sorts of minority views but tend to be miraculously protected from scrutiny.Cookie said:
I don't think Tim Farron did, to be fair to him. The media found his religion so peculiar it focused on it relentlessly, but he didn't really want to talk about it - seemed very keen to separate the sacred and the profane.Beibheirli_C said:
If he wants to do religion he can take it to church, but evangelical types seem to have a need to force the rest of us to live by their beliefs. To govern, we need people who can cope with the modern world and not someone who thinks the Universe and the planet run on the basis of a 2,000 year old set of multiply translated fictions.HYUFD said:
Steve Baker would also be the second evangelical Christian party leader after Tim Farron and our first openly Christian evangelical PMgeoffw said:If the Tories want a principled leader who understands politics and is not tarnished by association with the Borisian shambles they need look no further than Steve Baker. There, I've said it.
Is it nonsense that homophobia is mainstream in Islam?
Is it nonsense that antisemitism is mainstream in Islam?
Is it nonsense tha there is a teacher who is still in hiding and under police protection somewhere in england because he GASP HORROR showed a graphic representation of the Muslim Spaghetti Monster to a class of children?
Are you happy with any or all of the above?1 -
A more accurate and imaginative parallel than the usual one with Trump.Stark_Dawning said:
If the Tories lose heavily to Sir Keir having been led by some dull mediocrity, I wonder if Boris will be tempted to make a comeback. A historical precedent would be Richard Nixon with whom - not least the initial resignation speech of both men - their are some striking parallels.Stuartinromford said:
But it's also a fair point that some people still really loved Boris. And their votes count as much as anyone else's- maybe more, if they are people who turn out a lot in the right seats.Farooq said:
He's hated up and down this country too. The polling is pretty clear.Leon said:
That’s just true. Eurocrats hated Boris, Putin and Co hate him now he’s so vividly pro-UkraineGardenwalker said:Corks are popping in Brussels and Moscow apparently. What on earth is the Mail smoking?
Sorry your man turned out so shit.
I can't remember who first articualted the theory that Johnson had a low floor but a high ceiling for his popularity; he'd probably lead the Conservatives to a calamatous defeat, but might just work his magic one more time. Whereas anyone else would steer the Conservatives to a smaller but almost certain defeat (higher floor, lower celing).
Ditching Boris was the right thing to do, and should have happened ages ago. But it isn't cost-free.0 -
Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
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Or even Trump who having been beaten by Biden in 2020 now leads him in some polls.Stark_Dawning said:
If the Tories lose heavily to Sir Keir having been led by some dull mediocrity, I wonder if Boris will be tempted to make a comeback. A historical precedent would be Richard Nixon with whom - not least the initial resignation speech of both men - their are some striking parallels.Stuartinromford said:
But it's also a fair point that some people still really loved Boris. And their votes count as much as anyone else's- maybe more, if they are people who turn out a lot in the right seats.Farooq said:
He's hated up and down this country too. The polling is pretty clear.Leon said:
That’s just true. Eurocrats hated Boris, Putin and Co hate him now he’s so vividly pro-UkraineGardenwalker said:Corks are popping in Brussels and Moscow apparently. What on earth is the Mail smoking?
Sorry your man turned out so shit.
I can't remember who first articualted the theory that Johnson had a low floor but a high ceiling for his popularity; he'd probably lead the Conservatives to a calamatous defeat, but might just work his magic one more time. Whereas anyone else would steer the Conservatives to a smaller but almost certain defeat (higher floor, lower celing).
Ditching Boris was the right thing to do, and should have happened ages ago. But it isn't cost-free.
Nixon of course lost his first general election in 1960 unlike Boris so slightly different0 -
Also those middle classes demonstrated a high degree of hypocrisy over party gate since most likely broke the rules themselves0
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Somebody should’ve told the Tory MPs that *before* the garrotting 😄Stuartinromford said:
But it's also a fair point that some people still really loved Boris. And their votes count as much as anyone else's- maybe more, if they are people who turn out a lot in the right seats.Farooq said:
He's hated up and down this country too. The polling is pretty clear.Leon said:
That’s just true. Eurocrats hated Boris, Putin and Co hate him now he’s so vividly pro-UkraineGardenwalker said:Corks are popping in Brussels and Moscow apparently. What on earth is the Mail smoking?
Sorry your man turned out so shit.
I can't remember who first articualted the theory that Johnson had a low floor but a high ceiling for his popularity; he'd probably lead the Conservatives to a calamatous defeat, but might just work his magic one more time. Whereas anyone else would steer the Conservatives to a smaller but almost certain defeat (higher floor, lower celing).
Ditching Boris was the right thing to do, and should have happened ages ago. But it isn't cost-free.0 -
I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.3
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Suits me to have her written off. She is the only contender who could get a following with the under 65's, and have a reasonable chance of defending the Blue Wall.Casino_Royale said:
Given you're possibly the Wokest person on here this is the kiss of death for her.Foxy said:
It's her main redeeming feature.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's the worst thing about her.Foxy said:
Oh yes. Just look up her Mumsnet interview.Leon said:
Oh God, is she Woke??Casino_Royale said:It's a good point on Mordaunt's Wokery.
I read her book where she spent a good few pages having a go at It Ain't Have Hot Mum for having a "full house".
You can be sure that would all come out in a leadership campaign. I'm not sure how it would affect the MP votes but it would hurt her with the members.
She is not a culture warrior for the forces of reaction.
Tony Blair is well to the Right of her on this, and in the middle ground.0 -
I want someone who will put up sensible political resistance to this, and force common sense.Cookie said:
I've faith humans would find the right balance. But they're not being allowed to. The state is shoehorning people down the hyper woke route - as any visit to a secondary school will attest. If we could simply stop doing so and let what needs to happen, happen, there wouldn't be so much resistance.MoonRabbit said:
It’s not a problem with me. But what is it anyway, packed under woke umbrella? Can you really get away with everything from ain’t alf hot mum to trans gender rights in sport, offensive statues to he she and they without accepting your doing nothing but Wallace trying to hold a door like knut held the tide? Everything single one of those things are considered on merit not blanket labelled - where’s your faith gone that each considered on merit we will find the happy medium on each, where is all your lily livened fears coming from? Do they burst forth like Zeus when you get your first fuddyduddy birthday card?Luckyguy1983 said:
It's the worst thing about her.Foxy said:
Oh yes. Just look up her Mumsnet interview.Leon said:
Oh God, is she Woke??Casino_Royale said:It's a good point on Mordaunt's Wokery.
I read her book where she spent a good few pages having a go at It Ain't Have Hot Mum for having a "full house".
You can be sure that would all come out in a leadership campaign. I'm not sure how it would affect the MP votes but it would hurt her with the members.
Moaning about “woke” is a lack of faith in the human spirit will get things right.
Leave Penny alone on woke 😠
Liz Truss has done this. Kemi Badenoch has done this. JK Rowling has done this. Rosie Duffield has done this. Tony Blair has done this. Sarah Champion has done this.
Penny Mordaunt will not do this, and indeed may fuel it further, and given how strongly I detest identity politics and how it's pulling us apart into an intersectional hierarchy, that's a red line for me.2 -
Anyone else contacting betfair to claim Johnson is next PM as he’s now a caretaker?0
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He has more axes to grind than an Orc Army.Andy_JS said:I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.
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BJ was seen as an anti-politician to many. He broke the rules that said you had to do x in politics.KevinB said:
Yes lots love him in the red wall. These people have been betrayed and they won't forget itdixiedean said:There are some people up here who adore Boris. And I mean love him. Not the Conservative Party.
Their numbers were grossly exaggerated when he was riding high. They are in danger of being substantially under counted now he's gone.
That's all I'm saying.
When many talk about the need to follow the correct standards and procedures, they conveniently omit that the rules are made by the likes of Hunt and co for the benefit of....the likes of Hunt and co. Many voters realise this and liked someone who felt they didn't have to play by those rules.1 -
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There is a weird level of hysteria still bubbling away.Beibheirli_C said:
Which shows the spectacularly low quality of the current crop of Ministers. Your answer is as obvious as it is perfect and any Minister worth his or her salt would have replied with such a comment immediately.wooliedyed said:
Pointless. Hes no longer Tory party leader, he wouldnt be PM even if they won and would have no part in the manifesto etc.FrankBooth said:Extraordinary. Minister on Newsnight saying he wouldn't comment when pressed on if Johnson might try to cut and run for an election whilst in his caretaker role.
That the interviewer asked such a question ... 😒
Whats been said cannot be unsaid, the job that has been left cannot be retaken. The deed is done. He has 2 weeks of parliamentary time left and no support to pass anything stupid, he is a figurehead only and on any misuse of his reserved powers that he can get by cabinet and his 'handlers' an immediate recall for a VONC
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Welcome!KevinB said:The idea that someone like Ben Wallace a bald boring man could appeal like Johnson is risible
And don't you think it's also true (at present juncture anyway) that Ben Wallace does not DIS-appeal like Johnson?
Doubt even the Caretaker himself would care argue with that proposition. Which is more to the point, at the moment.
Down the road could be different story.
But then again, not even Lord Archer would consider manufacturing something THIS crazy and contrived.0 -
Nope. He’s very astute. The Tory membership are morons.Andy_JS said:I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.
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Those blue wall conservatives might bleat about woke issues but are ultimately all about the money. Most will stay with the toriesFoxy said:
Suits me to have her written off. She is the only contender who could get a following with the under 65's, and have a reasonable chance of defending the Blue Wall.Casino_Royale said:
Given you're possibly the Wokest person on here this is the kiss of death for her.Foxy said:
It's her main redeeming feature.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's the worst thing about her.Foxy said:
Oh yes. Just look up her Mumsnet interview.Leon said:
Oh God, is she Woke??Casino_Royale said:It's a good point on Mordaunt's Wokery.
I read her book where she spent a good few pages having a go at It Ain't Have Hot Mum for having a "full house".
You can be sure that would all come out in a leadership campaign. I'm not sure how it would affect the MP votes but it would hurt her with the members.
She is not a culture warrior for the forces of reaction.
Tony Blair is well to the Right of her on this, and in the middle ground.0 -
It is interesting that Britain is the only major country where Covid hypocrisy had serious political consequences.KevinB said:Also those middle classes demonstrated a high degree of hypocrisy over party gate since most likely broke the rules themselves
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Oh I do hope you’re right.KevinB said:There is a lot of affection for Johnson in the red wall trust me The daily mail is playing to this constituency I honestly think this could all backfire on the conservatives
This makes D Ross’s hokey cokey look like a work of genius.
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"Campbell and Dehenna to a disco beat"1
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Major is a piece of workAndy_JS said:I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.
He really really is. A duplicitous, nasty, mediocre quisling, he makes Heseltine look honourable and he makes Grieve look, OK no he doesn’t Grieve is vile and obviously so
But still. An important part of growing up as a conservative is realising that John Major is PUKEWORTHY1 -
Nadine / KevinB is brilliant.
Keep smoking the crackpipe.
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The interesting thing about Penny Mordaunt is that she is slightly woke for a Tory but not in a way that anyone would ever get particularly annoyed or exercised about. Anti-woke Conservatives could live with her as leader.0
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He did, but I'm far from convinced that's why he's finally gone. I'd suggest the unwritten rule that was broken was perhaps "you cannot piss off most of your MPs and the cabinet, and then look like you're not a winner any more"...rottenborough said:But at end of the day, Johnson transgressed one of the unwritten rules of the constitution - you cannot lie knowingly to Parliament (and he did so repeatedly)
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Yes defeat nailed on under people like WallaceStuartDickson said:
Somebody should’ve told the Tory MPs that *before* the garrotting 😄Stuartinromford said:
But it's also a fair point that some people still really loved Boris. And their votes count as much as anyone else's- maybe more, if they are people who turn out a lot in the right seats.Farooq said:
He's hated up and down this country too. The polling is pretty clear.Leon said:
That’s just true. Eurocrats hated Boris, Putin and Co hate him now he’s so vividly pro-UkraineGardenwalker said:Corks are popping in Brussels and Moscow apparently. What on earth is the Mail smoking?
Sorry your man turned out so shit.
I can't remember who first articualted the theory that Johnson had a low floor but a high ceiling for his popularity; he'd probably lead the Conservatives to a calamatous defeat, but might just work his magic one more time. Whereas anyone else would steer the Conservatives to a smaller but almost certain defeat (higher floor, lower celing).
Ditching Boris was the right thing to do, and should have happened ages ago. But it isn't cost-free.1 -
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Fruitcake McTavish and Gandalf Shitler.StuartDickson said:0 -
I hate Boris as much as the next PBer, but back in 2008, he caused me to vote Tory for the first time ever, albeit in the London Mayoralty.0
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Because being a twat is at the very core of his being. Being a twat was what propelled him forward. Being a twat was why he got to be prime minister in the first place. His strength and his weakness were two sides of the same coin. It's the tragic hero, innit? The Greeks understood this.Leon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
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Disagree. I think her stance on 'woke' issues could damn her.Foxy said:
Suits me to have her written off. She is the only contender who could get a following with the under 65's, and have a reasonable chance of defending the Blue Wall.Casino_Royale said:
Given you're possibly the Wokest person on here this is the kiss of death for her.Foxy said:
It's her main redeeming feature.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's the worst thing about her.Foxy said:
Oh yes. Just look up her Mumsnet interview.Leon said:
Oh God, is she Woke??Casino_Royale said:It's a good point on Mordaunt's Wokery.
I read her book where she spent a good few pages having a go at It Ain't Have Hot Mum for having a "full house".
You can be sure that would all come out in a leadership campaign. I'm not sure how it would affect the MP votes but it would hurt her with the members.
She is not a culture warrior for the forces of reaction.
Tony Blair is well to the Right of her on this, and in the middle ground.
A piece of anecdote. I was at a reunion at my old college, chatting away to a group of other alum, all in Tory seats, all middle class and clearly quite socially liberal when it came to most things. The one thing that got that wound up immensely was how the woke - and specifically the trans - issue was being pushed at school. It's way I don't think the Lib Dems will do well in the GE because once Davey is asked "what's a woman?", he's not going to be able to get past the issue.-1 -
Looks like the Boris loyalists have decided that Ben Wallace must be taken down.0
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Dougie was right on even days.StuartDickson said:
Oh I do hope you’re right.KevinB said:There is a lot of affection for Johnson in the red wall trust me The daily mail is playing to this constituency I honestly think this could all backfire on the conservatives
This makes D Ross’s hokey cokey look like a work of genius.1 -
I’m loving this Toryboy on Toryboy action. Grease up lads.Leon said:
Major is a piece of workAndy_JS said:I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.
He really really is. A duplicitous, nasty, mediocre quisling, he makes Heseltine look honourable and he makes Grieve look, OK no he doesn’t Grieve is vile and obviously so
But still. An important part of growing up as a conservative is realising that John Major is PUKEWORTHY0 -
it’s not like he had to do much to not be a twat, and therefore stay as prime ministerCookie said:
Quite.Leon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
You are paraphrasing what my wife said ten minutes ago.
Nobody really minds the affairs, the constant lying is fine, sure go ahead and father a child on your osteopath
All he had to do was not allow parties when the entire country was locked down due to plague. “OK let’s not have a party” . Six words1 -
The Holy ghost IS God.HYUFD said:
I most certainly will, I signed the register which is quite enough, however I made by marriage vows in the sight of God and the holy ghost not the stateCarnyx said:
In that case you shouldn't expect the state to consider you married.HYUFD said:
Well I don't, I refuse to take vows twice when I have already made vows under a religious ceremony. Especially as the religious ones have more meaning for me than any secular civil ones.Farooq said:
But you legally have to speak some vows, as well, no? And certain religious ministers are legally empowered to administer them, while other celebrants are not. That's the bit I think should change. I think either any celebrant should be recognised, or only the state-employed registrar. Anything else is an invitation to state-sanctioned unequal access which is never what the state should do.HYUFD said:
You still have to sign the register, even in a Church of England service like I had last year. It is the register signing that effectively makes it legal not the ceremony, whether religious or civilFarooq said:
Yes, which is why I personally strongly believe in keeping religion away from all parts of the state. Including up to the point of not recognising (future) religious ceremonies as legal marriages. Have a registrar there if you want to be legally married, but the hocus pocus crap from the priest is just between you and your God.Carnyx said:
Things really starts getting complex when one looks at the C of E, which is supposed to be an integral part of the state, and yet won't celebrate single-sex marriages made legal by the same state. Not a discussion I'm particularly interested in digging into, but just a comment on the sort of anomaly one gets with the concept of an Established church where the person in charge (for now) is a RC and the state's laws don't match the church's ideology.Farooq said:
Why should a registrar get to refuse to marry two people of the same sex? Employees of the state should never be allowed to discriminate in performing their services. That's the state sanctioning bigotry and does not fit at all with my idea of liberalism.Foxy said:
It's a bit more nuanced than that. He voted for Gay marriage in the bill's early stages, but abstained in the final vote as he wanted protection for registrars and similar who didn't want to perform gay marriages on conscience grounds. So on that issue very compatible with the definition of Liberal.Carnyx said:
Oh dear. Not very liberal, was it, trying to fiddle things so that others' beliefs were banned/suppressed?Beibheirli_C said:
No, Tim Farron found himself on the wrong end of the "belief spectrum" and voted against the Equality Act, tried to timetable the Same Sex Marriage Act so that it would fail and alienated a lot of the LDs. Years later, in a Guardian interview, he claimed that he only went along with the LDs position on LGBT issues but wished he had not done soCookie said:
I don't think Tim Farron did, to be fair to him. The media found his religion so peculiar it focused on it relentlessly, but he didn't really want to talk about it - seemed very keen to separate the sacred and the profane.Beibheirli_C said:
If he wants to do religion he can take it to church, but evangelical types seem to have a need to force the rest of us to live by their beliefs. To govern, we need people who can cope with the modern world and not someone who thinks the Universe and the planet run on the basis of a 2,000 year old set of multiply translated fictions.HYUFD said:
Steve Baker would also be the second evangelical Christian party leader after Tim Farron and our first openly Christian evangelical PMgeoffw said:If the Tories want a principled leader who understands politics and is not tarnished by association with the Borisian shambles they need look no further than Steve Baker. There, I've said it.
Earlier in his career he had voted against some of the same sex issues in the Equality Act of 2007, such as adoption. Several well regarded religious adoption agencies discontinued when required to comply with the act.
The signing of the register for religious and civil ceremonies is quite enough
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Wallace. He’s bald 💁♀️HYUFD said:
If Boris has been kicked out in large part because he was fined for partying in lockdown I don't see how the Tories can replace him with Sunak who was also fined for attending the same party as well as facing allegations over his and his wife's tax affairs.Pulpstar said:Isn't Wallace's appeal basically the same as the winning entry in eurovision ?
I'm not sure that's the best basis for a new PM.
Sunak's the man for me still x
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Boris is a unique individual, they don't just like him they sympathise with him and forgive him. They recognise his generosity of spirit in contrast to many of the pygmies against him0
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He took the decision sometime around 2001 to become a prick and really invest some time and effort in itLeon said:
Major is a piece of workAndy_JS said:I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.
He really really is. A duplicitous, nasty, mediocre quisling, he makes Heseltine look honourable and he makes Grieve look, OK no he doesn’t Grieve is vile and obviously so
But still. An important part of growing up as a conservative is realising that John Major is PUKEWORTHY0 -
I see Tugendhat is officially a candidate.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/07/tom-tugendhat-have-served-now-hope-answer-call-prime-minister/0 -
John Major is probably the nicest and kindest politician I have met.Leon said:
Major is a piece of workAndy_JS said:I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.
He really really is. A duplicitous, nasty, mediocre quisling, he makes Heseltine look honourable and he makes Grieve look, OK no he doesn’t Grieve is vile and obviously so
But still. An important part of growing up as a conservative is realising that John Major is PUKEWORTHY2 -
Given the CoE is the established Church, isn't that a distinction without a difference?HYUFD said:
I most certainly will, I signed the register which is quite enough, however I made by marriage vows in the sight of God and the holy ghost not the stateCarnyx said:
In that case you shouldn't expect the state to consider you married.HYUFD said:
Well I don't, I refuse to take vows twice when I have already made vows under a religious ceremony. Especially as the religious ones have more meaning for me than any secular civil ones.Farooq said:
But you legally have to speak some vows, as well, no? And certain religious ministers are legally empowered to administer them, while other celebrants are not. That's the bit I think should change. I think either any celebrant should be recognised, or only the state-employed registrar. Anything else is an invitation to state-sanctioned unequal access which is never what the state should do.HYUFD said:
You still have to sign the register, even in a Church of England service like I had last year. It is the register signing that effectively makes it legal not the ceremony, whether religious or civilFarooq said:
Yes, which is why I personally strongly believe in keeping religion away from all parts of the state. Including up to the point of not recognising (future) religious ceremonies as legal marriages. Have a registrar there if you want to be legally married, but the hocus pocus crap from the priest is just between you and your God.Carnyx said:
Things really starts getting complex when one looks at the C of E, which is supposed to be an integral part of the state, and yet won't celebrate single-sex marriages made legal by the same state. Not a discussion I'm particularly interested in digging into, but just a comment on the sort of anomaly one gets with the concept of an Established church where the person in charge (for now) is a RC and the state's laws don't match the church's ideology.Farooq said:
Why should a registrar get to refuse to marry two people of the same sex? Employees of the state should never be allowed to discriminate in performing their services. That's the state sanctioning bigotry and does not fit at all with my idea of liberalism.Foxy said:
It's a bit more nuanced than that. He voted for Gay marriage in the bill's early stages, but abstained in the final vote as he wanted protection for registrars and similar who didn't want to perform gay marriages on conscience grounds. So on that issue very compatible with the definition of Liberal.Carnyx said:
Oh dear. Not very liberal, was it, trying to fiddle things so that others' beliefs were banned/suppressed?Beibheirli_C said:
No, Tim Farron found himself on the wrong end of the "belief spectrum" and voted against the Equality Act, tried to timetable the Same Sex Marriage Act so that it would fail and alienated a lot of the LDs. Years later, in a Guardian interview, he claimed that he only went along with the LDs position on LGBT issues but wished he had not done soCookie said:
I don't think Tim Farron did, to be fair to him. The media found his religion so peculiar it focused on it relentlessly, but he didn't really want to talk about it - seemed very keen to separate the sacred and the profane.Beibheirli_C said:
If he wants to do religion he can take it to church, but evangelical types seem to have a need to force the rest of us to live by their beliefs. To govern, we need people who can cope with the modern world and not someone who thinks the Universe and the planet run on the basis of a 2,000 year old set of multiply translated fictions.HYUFD said:
Steve Baker would also be the second evangelical Christian party leader after Tim Farron and our first openly Christian evangelical PMgeoffw said:If the Tories want a principled leader who understands politics and is not tarnished by association with the Borisian shambles they need look no further than Steve Baker. There, I've said it.
Earlier in his career he had voted against some of the same sex issues in the Equality Act of 2007, such as adoption. Several well regarded religious adoption agencies discontinued when required to comply with the act.
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Because running UKPLC is a full time job. you cannot have a hollowed-out arsehole at the helm.wooliedyed said:
There is a weird level of hysteria still bubbling away.Beibheirli_C said:
Which shows the spectacularly low quality of the current crop of Ministers. Your answer is as obvious as it is perfect and any Minister worth his or her salt would have replied with such a comment immediately.wooliedyed said:
Pointless. Hes no longer Tory party leader, he wouldnt be PM even if they won and would have no part in the manifesto etc.FrankBooth said:Extraordinary. Minister on Newsnight saying he wouldn't comment when pressed on if Johnson might try to cut and run for an election whilst in his caretaker role.
That the interviewer asked such a question ... 😒
Whats been said cannot be unsaid, the job that has been left cannot be retaken. The deed is done. He has 2 weeks of parliamentary time left and no support to pass anything stupid, he is a figurehead only and on any misuse of his reserved powers that he can get by cabinet and his 'handlers' an immediate recall for a VONC
Hes an arsehole, hes not Ernst Blofeld
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No they didn't.KevinB said:Also those middle classes demonstrated a high degree of hypocrisy over party gate since most likely broke the rules themselves
I thought the rules were grotesque, but I followed them, because everybody else was. There simply wasn't any secret socialising going on in the suburbs.0 -
Sure, and I am green to a 4 figure sum if Mordaunt is next PM.Andy_JS said:The interesting thing about Penny Mordaunt is that she is slightly woke for a Tory but not in a way that anyone would ever get particularly annoyed or exercised about. Anti-woke Conservatives could live with her as leader.
I think thought that it is more likely the that the Tories choose a right wing tax cutting culture warrior who will lead the Conservatives to a disastrous GE result.0 -
Wallace voted against gay marriage
He’ll tack to the woke0 -
Kevin B never learned to read or write so well, but he could play the guitar just like a ringin a bellGardenwalker said:Nadine / KevinB is brilliant.
Keep smoking the crackpipe.
I would be delighted if the Tory Party collapsed into an internecine shit-fight.
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Yes, I kept them too. Most people did.Cookie said:
No they didn't.KevinB said:Also those middle classes demonstrated a high degree of hypocrisy over party gate since most likely broke the rules themselves
I thought the rules were grotesque, but I followed them, because everybody else was. There simply wasn't any secret socialising going on in the suburbs.1 -
Yes but that’s like Bernard Matthews saying Heinrich Himmler is the best German chicken farmer aroundOnlyLivingBoy said:
John Major is probably the nicest and kindest politician I have met.Leon said:
Major is a piece of workAndy_JS said:I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.
He really really is. A duplicitous, nasty, mediocre quisling, he makes Heseltine look honourable and he makes Grieve look, OK no he doesn’t Grieve is vile and obviously so
But still. An important part of growing up as a conservative is realising that John Major is PUKEWORTHY
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Leon said:
it’s not like he had to do much to not be a twat, and therefore stay as prime ministerCookie said:
Quite.Leon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
You are paraphrasing what my wife said ten minutes ago.
Nobody really minds the affairs, the constant lying is fine, sure go ahead and father a child on your osteopath
All he had to do was not allow parties when the entire country was locked down due to plague. “OK let’s not have a party” . Six words
To be fair many were hardly parties anyway. People in the red wall recognised that. Middle class liberals in the southeast went into sanctimonious virtue signalling mode howeverLeon said:
it’s not like he had to do much to not be a twat, and therefore stay as prime ministerCookie said:
Quite.Leon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
You are paraphrasing what my wife said ten minutes ago.
Nobody really minds the affairs, the constant lying is
fine, sure go ahead and father a child on your osteopath
All he had to do was not
allow parties when the entire country was locked down due
to plague. “OK let’s not have
a party” . Six
words
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I think the "sex crazed" is redundant.Leon said:0 -
He’s thrown away the elder statesman position. But then he’s been doing that since attacking Brown for visiting Afghanistan.Leon said:
Major is a piece of workAndy_JS said:I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.
He really really is. A duplicitous, nasty, mediocre quisling, he makes Heseltine look honourable and he makes Grieve look, OK no he doesn’t Grieve is vile and obviously so
But still. An important part of growing up as a conservative is realising that John Major is PUKEWORTHY
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Which is why Wakefield has a Tory MP today.KevinB said:Leon said:
it’s not like he had to do much to not be a twat, and therefore stay as prime ministerCookie said:
Quite.Leon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
You are paraphrasing what my wife said ten minutes ago.
Nobody really minds the affairs, the constant lying is fine, sure go ahead and father a child on your osteopath
All he had to do was not allow parties when the entire country was locked down due to plague. “OK let’s not have a party” . Six words
To be fair many were hardly parties anyway. People in the red wall recognised that. Middle class liberals in the southeast went into sanctimonious virtue signalling mode howeverLeon said:
it’s not like he had to do much to not be a twat, and therefore stay as prime ministerCookie said:
Quite.Leon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
You are paraphrasing what my wife said ten minutes ago.
Nobody really minds the affairs, the constant lying is
fine, sure go ahead and father a child on your osteopath
All he had to do was not
allow parties when the entire country was locked down due
to plague. “OK let’s not have
a party” . Six
words1 -
I thought that was just a hobby to take your mind off the flint-knapping?Leon said:1 -
AND FOR SO LITTLE RETURNLeon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
A couple of glasses of lukewarm fucking chardonnay and propping up a couple of twats when he has an unblemished repputation for disloyalty and not giving a fuck about anybody else? Patz n Pinchers FFS?
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Simple: get all the ballots done next week, one each day. Then 6 weeks for the members postal vote. Result by first week of September.2
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Even in metropolitan Islington/Hackney borders we kept Covid kosher.
Kevin B / Nadine is simply creating a fantasy to try to excuse Boris’s misbehaviour.1 -
Even by the standards of headlines that's a little, er, personally wounded in tone.williamglenn said:
What the hell have they done?rottenborough said:Mail is totally over the top tonight even by their recent standards.
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9.6williamglenn said:I see Tugendhat is officially a candidate.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/07/tom-tugendhat-have-served-now-hope-answer-call-prime-minister/0 -
Ratko Mladic? Why am I not surprised.Leon said:
Yes but that’s like Bernard Matthews saying Heinrich Himmler is the best German chicken farmer aroundOnlyLivingBoy said:
John Major is probably the nicest and kindest politician I have met.Leon said:
Major is a piece of workAndy_JS said:I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.
He really really is. A duplicitous, nasty, mediocre quisling, he makes Heseltine look honourable and he makes Grieve look, OK no he doesn’t Grieve is vile and obviously so
But still. An important part of growing up as a conservative is realising that John Major is PUKEWORTHY
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You misunderstand. I agree that her being woke will finish her off in the members vote, but that culture warrior reaction is what will cause the Tories to lose the next election. This is not America.MrEd said:
Disagree. I think her stance on 'woke' issues could damn her.Foxy said:
Suits me to have her written off. She is the only contender who could get a following with the under 65's, and have a reasonable chance of defending the Blue Wall.Casino_Royale said:
Given you're possibly the Wokest person on here this is the kiss of death for her.Foxy said:
It's her main redeeming feature.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's the worst thing about her.Foxy said:
Oh yes. Just look up her Mumsnet interview.Leon said:
Oh God, is she Woke??Casino_Royale said:It's a good point on Mordaunt's Wokery.
I read her book where she spent a good few pages having a go at It Ain't Have Hot Mum for having a "full house".
You can be sure that would all come out in a leadership campaign. I'm not sure how it would affect the MP votes but it would hurt her with the members.
She is not a culture warrior for the forces of reaction.
Tony Blair is well to the Right of her on this, and in the middle ground.
A piece of anecdote. I was at a reunion at my old college, chatting away to a group of other alum, all in Tory seats, all middle class and clearly quite socially liberal when it came to most things. The one thing that got that wound up immensely was how the woke - and specifically the trans - issue was being pushed at school. It's way I don't think the Lib Dems will do well in the GE because once Davey is asked "what's a woman?", he's not going to be able to get past the issue.0 -
Theologically the Holy Ghost is God yes.SandyRentool said:
The Holy ghost IS God.HYUFD said:
I most certainly will, I signed the register which is quite enough, however I made by marriage vows in the sight of God and the holy ghost not the stateCarnyx said:
In that case you shouldn't expect the state to consider you married.HYUFD said:
Well I don't, I refuse to take vows twice when I have already made vows under a religious ceremony. Especially as the religious ones have more meaning for me than any secular civil ones.Farooq said:
But you legally have to speak some vows, as well, no? And certain religious ministers are legally empowered to administer them, while other celebrants are not. That's the bit I think should change. I think either any celebrant should be recognised, or only the state-employed registrar. Anything else is an invitation to state-sanctioned unequal access which is never what the state should do.HYUFD said:
You still have to sign the register, even in a Church of England service like I had last year. It is the register signing that effectively makes it legal not the ceremony, whether religious or civilFarooq said:
Yes, which is why I personally strongly believe in keeping religion away from all parts of the state. Including up to the point of not recognising (future) religious ceremonies as legal marriages. Have a registrar there if you want to be legally married, but the hocus pocus crap from the priest is just between you and your God.Carnyx said:
Things really starts getting complex when one looks at the C of E, which is supposed to be an integral part of the state, and yet won't celebrate single-sex marriages made legal by the same state. Not a discussion I'm particularly interested in digging into, but just a comment on the sort of anomaly one gets with the concept of an Established church where the person in charge (for now) is a RC and the state's laws don't match the church's ideology.Farooq said:
Why should a registrar get to refuse to marry two people of the same sex? Employees of the state should never be allowed to discriminate in performing their services. That's the state sanctioning bigotry and does not fit at all with my idea of liberalism.Foxy said:
It's a bit more nuanced than that. He voted for Gay marriage in the bill's early stages, but abstained in the final vote as he wanted protection for registrars and similar who didn't want to perform gay marriages on conscience grounds. So on that issue very compatible with the definition of Liberal.Carnyx said:
Oh dear. Not very liberal, was it, trying to fiddle things so that others' beliefs were banned/suppressed?Beibheirli_C said:
No, Tim Farron found himself on the wrong end of the "belief spectrum" and voted against the Equality Act, tried to timetable the Same Sex Marriage Act so that it would fail and alienated a lot of the LDs. Years later, in a Guardian interview, he claimed that he only went along with the LDs position on LGBT issues but wished he had not done soCookie said:
I don't think Tim Farron did, to be fair to him. The media found his religion so peculiar it focused on it relentlessly, but he didn't really want to talk about it - seemed very keen to separate the sacred and the profane.Beibheirli_C said:
If he wants to do religion he can take it to church, but evangelical types seem to have a need to force the rest of us to live by their beliefs. To govern, we need people who can cope with the modern world and not someone who thinks the Universe and the planet run on the basis of a 2,000 year old set of multiply translated fictions.HYUFD said:
Steve Baker would also be the second evangelical Christian party leader after Tim Farron and our first openly Christian evangelical PMgeoffw said:If the Tories want a principled leader who understands politics and is not tarnished by association with the Borisian shambles they need look no further than Steve Baker. There, I've said it.
Earlier in his career he had voted against some of the same sex issues in the Equality Act of 2007, such as adoption. Several well regarded religious adoption agencies discontinued when required to comply with the act.
The signing of the register for religious and civil ceremonies is quite enough
Theology resits for you!
Historically it is probably a narcotic substance. “ When we have the Holy Ghost, we feel love, joy, and peace.”
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I think the voters in the redwall know the Southern middle classes are lying about this. Many have told me just as muchCookie said:
No they didn't.KevinB said:Also those middle classes demonstrated a high degree of hypocrisy over party gate since most likely broke the rules themselves
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I am considerably wokier than Foxy.Casino_Royale said:
Given you're possibly the Wokest person on here this is the kiss of death for her.Foxy said:
It's her main redeeming feature.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's the worst thing about her.Foxy said:
Oh yes. Just look up her Mumsnet interview.Leon said:
Oh God, is she Woke??Casino_Royale said:It's a good point on Mordaunt's Wokery.
I read her book where she spent a good few pages having a go at It Ain't Have Hot Mum for having a "full house".
You can be sure that would all come out in a leadership campaign. I'm not sure how it would affect the MP votes but it would hurt her with the members.
She is not a culture warrior for the forces of reaction.
Tony Blair is well to the Right of her on this, and in the middle ground.0 -
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And yet John Major is apparently beyond the pale.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ratko Mladic? Why am I not surprised.Leon said:
Yes but that’s like Bernard Matthews saying Heinrich Himmler is the best German chicken farmer aroundOnlyLivingBoy said:
John Major is probably the nicest and kindest politician I have met.Leon said:
Major is a piece of workAndy_JS said:I used to be John Major's biggest defender on here but he's an idiot for saying the membership shouldn't get a vote on the new leader.
He really really is. A duplicitous, nasty, mediocre quisling, he makes Heseltine look honourable and he makes Grieve look, OK no he doesn’t Grieve is vile and obviously so
But still. An important part of growing up as a conservative is realising that John Major is PUKEWORTHY
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OK I HAD HOMEMADE WINE WITH RATKO
I guess fascists are gonna fasch.
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Can you imagine what they’ll make of Wee Benny in Sedgefield, Ashfield, Workington et al? The mind boggles.KevinB said:
Yes defeat nailed on under people like WallaceStuartDickson said:
Somebody should’ve told the Tory MPs that *before* the garrotting 😄Stuartinromford said:
But it's also a fair point that some people still really loved Boris. And their votes count as much as anyone else's- maybe more, if they are people who turn out a lot in the right seats.Farooq said:
He's hated up and down this country too. The polling is pretty clear.Leon said:
That’s just true. Eurocrats hated Boris, Putin and Co hate him now he’s so vividly pro-UkraineGardenwalker said:Corks are popping in Brussels and Moscow apparently. What on earth is the Mail smoking?
Sorry your man turned out so shit.
I can't remember who first articualted the theory that Johnson had a low floor but a high ceiling for his popularity; he'd probably lead the Conservatives to a calamatous defeat, but might just work his magic one more time. Whereas anyone else would steer the Conservatives to a smaller but almost certain defeat (higher floor, lower celing).
Ditching Boris was the right thing to do, and should have happened ages ago. But it isn't cost-free.0 -
Odds on a Wallace and Tugendhat final 2? Looking stronger tonight. Some of Hunt's 2019 support already going to Tugendhat and I expect most of Boris' supporters will go to Wallace in the end.williamglenn said:I see Tugendhat is officially a candidate.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/07/tom-tugendhat-have-served-now-hope-answer-call-prime-minister/
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I do like the liberated HYUFD, no longer obliged to follow a leader's line and free to comment vigorously on the mood of the party.HYUFD said:
If Boris has been kicked out in large part because he was fined for partying in lockdown I don't see how the Tories can replace him with Sunak who was also fined for attending the same party as well as facing allegations over his and his wife's tax affairs.Pulpstar said:Isn't Wallace's appeal basically the same as the winning entry in eurovision ?
I'm not sure that's the best basis for a new PM.
Sunak's the man for me still x
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You seem to be in mourning ! At the end of the day even Tory MPs have a breaking point when it comes to the constant dramas surrounding Johnson .Leon said:
it’s not like he had to do much to not be a twat, and therefore stay as prime ministerCookie said:
Quite.Leon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
You are paraphrasing what my wife said ten minutes ago.
Nobody really minds the affairs, the constant lying is fine, sure go ahead and father a child on your osteopath
All he had to do was not allow parties when the entire country was locked down due to plague. “OK let’s not have a party” . Six words
He got what he deserved and the fact you think constant lying is fine is really your take on things . If the public didn’t mind the lies his approval ratings wouldn’t be in the toilet .0 -
Ooh, do tell!Alistair said:
I am considerably wokier than Foxy.Casino_Royale said:
Given you're possibly the Wokest person on here this is the kiss of death for her.Foxy said:
It's her main redeeming feature.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's the worst thing about her.Foxy said:
Oh yes. Just look up her Mumsnet interview.Leon said:
Oh God, is she Woke??Casino_Royale said:It's a good point on Mordaunt's Wokery.
I read her book where she spent a good few pages having a go at It Ain't Have Hot Mum for having a "full house".
You can be sure that would all come out in a leadership campaign. I'm not sure how it would affect the MP votes but it would hurt her with the members.
She is not a culture warrior for the forces of reaction.
Tony Blair is well to the Right of her on this, and in the middle ground.
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That’s a better hit-rate than Sean.wooliedyed said:
Dougie was right on even days.StuartDickson said:
Oh I do hope you’re right.KevinB said:There is a lot of affection for Johnson in the red wall trust me The daily mail is playing to this constituency I honestly think this could all backfire on the conservatives
This makes D Ross’s hokey cokey look like a work of genius.
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Your problem is perhaps that you are a social climber, possibly @Taz in disguise? Like the late lamented Charles otp, Johnson is a lower middle class fuckwit's idea of what a posh person is like.KevinB said:Boris is a unique individual, they don't just like him they sympathise with him and forgive him. They recognise his generosity of spirit in contrast to many of the pygmies against him
Shit did I type that out loud? Time for bed. Pinot noir poisoning is a dangerous thing.
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Welcome. More like this please. My FB feed is full of tributes to Boris including a (for me) vomit inducing set of pictures of him at No.10 today with his children, some of them anyway, etc.KevinB said:
Yes lots love him in the red wall. These people have been betrayed and they won't forget itdixiedean said:There are some people up here who adore Boris. And I mean love him. Not the Conservative Party.
Their numbers were grossly exaggerated when he was riding high. They are in danger of being substantially under counted now he's gone.
That's all I'm saying.
The comments are full of regret, anger, and blame for anti-Brexiters.
What you say is absolutely correct in that there are such feelings just I'm not sure to what extent throughout the country.0 -
They dont need 6 weeks for the members. 4 weeks is plenty with a couple of televised hustings/debates.Andy_JS said:Simple: get all the ballots done next week, one each day. Then 6 weeks for the members postal vote. Result by first week of September.
Let Labour bore everyone with everlasting leadership battles0 -
The truly woke disown their own families if they don't measure up:Alistair said:
I am considerably wokier than Foxy.Casino_Royale said:
Given you're possibly the Wokest person on here this is the kiss of death for her.Foxy said:
It's her main redeeming feature.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's the worst thing about her.Foxy said:
Oh yes. Just look up her Mumsnet interview.Leon said:
Oh God, is she Woke??Casino_Royale said:It's a good point on Mordaunt's Wokery.
I read her book where she spent a good few pages having a go at It Ain't Have Hot Mum for having a "full house".
You can be sure that would all come out in a leadership campaign. I'm not sure how it would affect the MP votes but it would hurt her with the members.
She is not a culture warrior for the forces of reaction.
Tony Blair is well to the Right of her on this, and in the middle ground.
https://twitter.com/Hegemommy/status/1544871467535327232
Jessica Mason Pieklo - @Hegemommy
Honestly if you’re a white person who says they’re committed to racial justice and you’re in good standing with most your family I have *questions* for you and they are definitely pointed
Full disclosure I’m in contact with exactly three members of my birth and extended family for this specific reason
That first question is how committed are you, really
Even the good white families are a *scosh* racist when you scratch the surface0 -
It is worse than that.Leon said:
it’s not like he had to do much to not be a twat, and therefore stay as prime ministerCookie said:
Quite.Leon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
You are paraphrasing what my wife said ten minutes ago.
Nobody really minds the affairs, the constant lying is fine, sure go ahead and father a child on your osteopath
All he had to do was not allow parties when the entire country was locked down due to plague. “OK let’s not have a party” . Six words
Positively Shakespearean.
His character flaw that led to tragedy is he cannot admit responsibility or accept blame or say sorry.
If he had said there were some lockdown incidents at No 10 that started as work events and then became something else and I am sorry from day one he would still be leader.
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Thats the cost of living which is hurting people in the red wall, trust me they couldn't care less about the parties, that's for the hypocritical southern middle classEPG said:
Which is why Wakefield has a Tory MP today.KevinB said:Leon said:
it’s not like he had to do much to not be a twat, and therefore stay as prime ministerCookie said:
Quite.Leon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
You are paraphrasing what my wife said ten minutes ago.
Nobody really minds the affairs, the constant lying is fine, sure go ahead and father a child on your osteopath
All he had to do was not allow parties when the entire country was locked down due to plague. “OK let’s not have a party” . Six words
To be fair many were hardly parties anyway. People in the red wall recognised that. Middle class liberals in the southeast went into sanctimonious virtue signalling mode howeverLeon said:
it’s not like he had to do much to not be a twat, and therefore stay as prime ministerCookie said:
Quite.Leon said:Why couldn’t Boris have just NOT BEEN A TWAT
You are paraphrasing what my wife said ten minutes ago.
Nobody really minds the affairs, the constant lying is
fine, sure go ahead and father a child on your osteopath
All he had to do was not
allow parties when the entire country was locked down due
to plague. “OK let’s not have
a party” . Six
words1
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