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DefSec Wallace now firm favourite for next PM – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,163
edited July 2022 in General
imageDefSec Wallace now firm favourite for next PM – politicalbetting.com

The news from Downing Street this morning about Boris Johnson’s intention has led to a huge shake-up of the next prime minister betting as the chart shows.

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Meaningless at this stage
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    He may not run - who he supports will be key.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    LOL @ starmer backers
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    IshmaelZ said:

    Meaningless at this stage

    Story of your life!

    (Sorry :), and I'm sure not true. )
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Meaningless at this stage

    Story of your life!

    (Sorry :), and I'm sure not true. )
    Naah, "at this stage" would be wholly superfluous.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_ammodytes

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Irrelevant but amusing:

    UK, BallotBox Seat Estimate (polling data from @RedfieldWilton, 7th July)

    🔴 Labour majority of 70 seats

    🔴 Lab 360 (+158)
    🔵 Con 217 (-148)
    🟡 SNP 28 (-20)
    🟠 Lib Dem 23 (+12)
    🟢 Plaid 2 (-2)
    🟢 Grn 1 (n/c)
    ⚪️ Oth 19 (n/c)

    Seat chgs. w/ 2019 election.


    https://twitter.com/ballotboxmedia/status/1545082450967203840
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    Farooq said:

    carnforth said:

    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gove

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)

    I thought it was Scottish
    Gove or Sturgeon?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    carnforth said:

    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gove

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)

    I thought it was Scottish
    I thought we had agreed it was Rt Hon Memb for Stratford on Avon
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,432
    carnforth said:

    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_ammodytes

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)

    That was written before Nadihm Zahawi’s antics today.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Sunak is too high; Truss too low. Otherwise those seem to be fair odds.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    kyf_100 said:

    Before there is a new thread (I assume it's getting published now, it always does when I post!).

    I've longed believed that an incoming PM in this manner should hold a GE within six months to take advantage of a bounce in the polls. Excepting MacMillian, no incoming party leader has won more seats at the next GE if they've left it more than 6 months (Boris won seats, but his GE was five months after his appointment).

    So..... do we think the next Prime Minister will hold a GE, either in October or (possibly) next May; or will they hold on till the death as they almost always do?

    In six months time, we'll be looking at rolling blackouts, freezing pensioners, and petrol at god-knows-what-cost.

    People haven't quite grasped the scale of the energy crisis yet.
    As it happens, I noticed today that diesel has ticked down a fraction compared with Sunday.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    Farooq said:

    carnforth said:

    Farooq said:

    carnforth said:

    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gove

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)

    I thought it was Scottish
    Gove or Sturgeon?
    You might want to carefully reread the quote part of my message :wink:
    Arf.

    In my defence, I am halfway down pint three.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    James Caan RIP.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,797
    IshmaelZ said:

    LOL @ starmer backers

    Why?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    edited July 2022
    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    Oh, yes. They'll be delighted to blame the delay on a ready-made scapegoat, assuming he does Chequers-block till the autumn.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    Parliament goes into recess in 2 weeks, nothing was going to be passed anyway. Anything urgent i guess will be dealt with as a cabinet
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    LOL @ starmer backers

    Why?
    Because they got the big call wrong
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    dixiedean said:

    James Caan RIP.

    RIP.

    “The Godfather box set is great - you can watch one and two, and do coke off of three.” - Artie Lange
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    IshmaelZ said:

    LOL @ starmer backers

    😢 😢
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    Sunak is too high; Truss too low. Otherwise those seem to be fair odds.

    'High' as in chance or price? The old terms of 'too long' or 'too short' at least clearly refer to the odds - and thus too short will always mean the price should be higher and thus the chance lower.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    The decisions have technically been taken I think. The boundaries of what’s offered I mean. The agreements are now with Dpts to strike.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Omnium said:

    Sunak is too high; Truss too low. Otherwise those seem to be fair odds.

    'High' as in chance or price? The old terms of 'too long' or 'too short' at least clearly refer to the odds - and thus too short will always mean the price should be higher and thus the chance lower.
    Sorry, Ill be clearer, Sunak too short, Truss too long.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    edited July 2022
    Hah, on Sky, Mellor tells us that a bad horse race is when you don't know the winner.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    The favourite isn't even assembling a team. I await evidence he isn't a non-runner.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited July 2022
    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    The decisions have technically been taken I think. The boundaries of what’s offered I mean. The agreements are now with Dpts to strike.
    Yeah, i assume he means no economic relaunch, no emergency budgets etc. Just business as usual/per existing arrangements till the new PM is in place. Theres onky 2 weeks of sitting anyway, nothing would have been passed that now won't, the big speeches planned were naked attempts to stay in power with little grip on reality anyway

    Edit - also suggests he is not 'up to something' hopefully
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    The decisions have technically been taken I think. The boundaries of what’s offered I mean. The agreements are now with Dpts to strike.
    Strike being the operative word.
    Who has the authority to negotiate?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    Omnium said:

    Sunak is too high; Truss too low. Otherwise those seem to be fair odds.

    'High' as in chance or price? The old terms of 'too long' or 'too short' at least clearly refer to the odds - and thus too short will always mean the price should be higher and thus the chance lower.
    Sorry, Ill be clearer, Sunak too short, Truss too long.
    Sunak is too short (puns aside), but Truss is for me the unfathomable factor in this.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    The decisions have technically been taken I think. The boundaries of what’s offered I mean. The agreements are now with Dpts to strike.
    Strike being the operative word.
    Who has the authority to negotiate?
    Secretary of state. There is a cabinet, it goes on doing its job just as it always does between leaders. Department budgets are all in place, that hasnt gone away
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    As someone who wants a Labour government next time, only one of that list concerns me. None have the electoral appeal of Boris.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    Rishi's end-of-July polling might benefit a bit from the NIC threshold rise (so effective payrise) that hits payslips this month (assuming people remember it was the old Chancellor who made this happen, not the new one).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Big Dog or Pig Dog?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Right. Here’s how Boris reached his decision to quit, per those who talked to him today. 1/

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1545090107807617027
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    boulay said:

    James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.

    Misery at the news.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    edited July 2022

    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    The decisions have technically been taken I think. The boundaries of what’s offered I mean. The agreements are now with Dpts to strike.
    Yeah, i assume he means no economic relaunch, no emergency budgets etc. Just business as usual/per existing arrangements till the new PM is in place. Theres onky 2 weeks of sitting anyway, nothing would have been passed that now won't, the big speeches planned were naked attempts to stay in power with little grip on reality anyway

    Edit - also suggests he is not 'up to something' hopefully
    There was a joint speech on the economy planned, according to Sunaks letter Tuesday.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.

    Misery at the news.
    Yes he had some memorable films behind him.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Early evening all :)

    Another remarkable day and to be honest I'm still trying to process what has happened.

    Johnson's "farewell speech" (the first, I fear, of many) was long on self-justification and short on contrition. Rather like Thatcher, I suspect he sees himself as a victim of treachery and of weak colleagues and will be seething internally about the injustice and the hopes and pledges of a changed Britain unrealised.

    As I've said over the past few evenings, this was his life's ambition, his goal, to be Prime Minister and he connived, conspired and contrived over nearly two decades to achieve that goal.

    Perhaps he came to realise he wasn't good enough for the job he always wanted - it is a supremely challenging role and very few are capable of doing the job well and fewer still for any length of time and those who take the job are nearly always diminished by it.

    The truth now is he is a man who will forever live in the past tense - defined by what he was and what he did not what he could still achieve. He failed not only because he was ill-suited for the unique challenges of early 2020s political life but because for all his research he failed to understand the basics - the ends do not always justify the means and how you comport yourself in office is as important if not more important than any list of achievements whether real or imagined.

    It's a trait on here those who are not members of or indeed are ill-disposed toward a political party are usually the first to jump in with opinions about who should lead that party. I will simply say it is for the Conservative Parliamentary Party and perhaps the membership to choose the next Party leader and Prime Minister and leave it at that.

    As to whether Boris Johnson should stay as PM, it seems he has accepted the Party's terms but will no longer be primus inter pares.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Farooq said:

    Oh fucking brilliant we all get to hear about how much each cundidate is a loving father/mother/wife/husband. Next up they'll all be snapped going for a jog or chatting jovially with local business owners. Fuck this.

    No ones making you watch.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1545100038581395460
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    If you could combine Sunak’s common touch, with Truss’ calm warmth, Wallace’s charisma, Mordants experience, Javid’s powerful voice, Hunts colourful personality, Zahawi’s integrity, Tugenhats recognition and Raabs modesty you’d have a great candidate.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Jonathan said:

    As someone who wants a Labour government next time, only one of that list concerns me. None have the electoral appeal of Boris.

    Mordaunt is the best of the runners. Brexity (that much is a certainty anyway) but socially liberal. She would jettison the creepy culture war stuff.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    edited July 2022
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.

    Misery at the news.
    Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.

    (Edit: not totally sure it was Pinewood - lot's of film stuff in the family, and no before you ask my mother's just no vinyl)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    “None of the above” tied in second place with Mordaunt just behind Wallace among Con members:

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1545100342936965124
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,278
    carnforth said:

    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_ammodytes

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)

    It deffo wasn’t that. It was a thick mid brown slightly malevolent looking thing. About 120 cm long. Slithered away at a medium speed, along the path in front

    On the drive to my riverside bar I just saw another snake (dead) and a tortoise (alive). This place is fervent with life, I love it

    Rijeka Crnojevika is precisely where I am. Right next to this bridge. Having some homemade white wine delivered by a shiningly beautiful Montenegrin girl

    Sigh. I love travel


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijeka_Crnojevića_bridge
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    The decisions have technically been taken I think. The boundaries of what’s offered I mean. The agreements are now with Dpts to strike.
    Strike being the operative word.
    Who has the authority to negotiate?
    The CoE was agitating last week for 9% for teachers. Let's see if he sticks to that.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.

    Misery at the news.
    Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
    If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    The decisions have technically been taken I think. The boundaries of what’s offered I mean. The agreements are now with Dpts to strike.
    Strike being the operative word.
    Who has the authority to negotiate?
    The CoE was agitating last week for 9% for teachers. Let's see if he sticks to that.
    New teachers, I believe. 5% more widely.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,278
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_ammodytes

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)

    It deffo wasn’t that. It was a thick mid brown slightly malevolent looking thing. About 120 cm long. Slithered away at a medium speed, along the path in front

    On the drive to my riverside bar I just saw another snake (dead) and a tortoise (alive). This place is fervent with life, I love it

    Rijeka Crnojevika is precisely where I am. Right next to this bridge. Having some homemade white wine delivered by a shiningly beautiful Montenegrin girl

    Sigh. I love travel


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijeka_Crnojevića_bridge
    Lol. Which twat off-topicked this? I was replying to some helpful speculation about the snake I saw earlier. It’s a conversation, dick
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    The decisions have technically been taken I think. The boundaries of what’s offered I mean. The agreements are now with Dpts to strike.
    Strike being the operative word.
    Who has the authority to negotiate?
    The CoE was agitating last week for 9% for teachers. Let's see if he sticks to that.
    New teachers, I believe. 5% more widely.
    Still more than was on the table from Big Dog and Sunak.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386

    Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1545100038581395460

    Jacob Rees Mogg was not a success as a human being. He was a high density politician, and one who was not alert to the overinflatedness of his ego.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913
    Dom Cummings is having some fun. Much prefer to read him than the ghastly crocodile tears or worse. Disciples like Theresa Villiers all but crying on air
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Farooq said:

    Oh fucking brilliant we all get to hear about how much each cundidate is a loving father/mother/wife/husband. Next up they'll all be snapped going for a jog or chatting jovially with local business owners. Fuck this.

    Well, if they hadn't 'fucked this' they wouldn't be parents,would they?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,278
    Farooq said:

    Oh fucking brilliant we all get to hear about how much each cundidate is a loving father/mother/wife/husband. Next up they'll all be snapped going for a jog or chatting jovially with local business owners. Fuck this.


    You seem to have regenerated as a tremendously embittered, exceedingly angry man, spitting bile at other commenters and infuriated by virtually any subject

    Are you OK? That’s a sincere question, not an attempt to provoke
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874
    FPT @kle4 :
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nicola Sturgeon has seen off three Tory prime ministers.

    I hate that expression. Seeing off suggests someone was key to the other going, which is not always so.
    It's just like Corbyn said. I was present, but not involved.
    Same as when people said Corbyn saw off two Conservative Prime Ministers........
    (Which he didn't really - he was present, but not involved)
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Zahawi's advantage is his good judgement. His disadvantage is his terrible judgement that he holds about the same issues at the same time.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    TOPPING said:

    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.

    Misery at the news.
    Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
    If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
    Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    "No fiscal decisions".
    So what happens about public sector pay?
    Do we have to wait for the Tory Party to make their mind up?

    The decisions have technically been taken I think. The boundaries of what’s offered I mean. The agreements are now with Dpts to strike.
    Strike being the operative word.
    Who has the authority to negotiate?
    The CoE was agitating last week for 9% for teachers. Let's see if he sticks to that.
    New teachers, I believe. 5% more widely.
    Still more than was on the table from Big Dog and Sunak.
    Not quite. They had offered the 5%. They just hadn't offered any money to actually, y'know, pay for it.

    Whether Zahawi will be different - well, let's see, but my money's on 'no.'
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    As someone who wants a Labour government next time, only one of that list concerns me. None have the electoral appeal of Boris.

    Mordaunt is the best of the runners. Brexity (that much is a certainty anyway) but socially liberal. She would jettison the creepy culture war stuff.
    Mordant is trading on anonymity, not a long term value. I do not expect ambitious people like Truss to accept playing second fiddle to her. It could be brutal as she navigates economic and political choppy waters. At best a roll of the dice. Not one to worry about.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    As someone who wants a Labour government next time, only one of that list concerns me. None have the electoral appeal of Boris.

    Mordaunt is the best of the runners. Brexity (that much is a certainty anyway) but socially liberal. She would jettison the creepy culture war stuff.
    Mordant is trading on anonymity, not a long term value. I do not expect ambitious people like Truss to accept playing second fiddle to her. It could be brutal as she navigates economic and political choppy waters. At best a roll of the dice. Not one to worry about.
    It's going to be fairly brutal for anyone as they attempt to do that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,278
    edited July 2022
    I have just ordered eel

    I’m not sure I’ve eaten eel outside smoked eel at posh London gaffs and eel in Chinese dishes. It is from the Rijeka Crnojevika, which rolls by right underneath this tavern
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    edited July 2022

    Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1545100038581395460

    Jacob Rees-Mogg is just a lightweight who has never held any of the Great Offices of State. Pay him no mind.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    Roger said:

    Dom Cummings is having some fun. Much prefer to read him than the ghastly crocodile tears or worse. Disciples like Theresa Villiers all but crying on air

    I guess we are no longer like Mugabe’s Zimbabwe or North Korea now Boris has quit, Rogerdamus ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Leon said:

    I have just ordered eel

    I’m not sure I’ve eaten eel outside smoked eel at posh London gaffs and eel in Chinese dishes. It is from the Rijeka Crnojevika, which rolls by right underneath this tavern

    Your account is electric.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    As someone who wants a Labour government next time, only one of that list concerns me. None have the electoral appeal of Boris.

    Mordaunt is the best of the runners. Brexity (that much is a certainty anyway) but socially liberal. She would jettison the creepy culture war stuff.
    Great hair , she has that Bondish look but sadly when you look past that she’s another EU hater and gave a disgraceful speech in the USA.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,443
    Truss is probably my best result if she wins, together with Hunt.

    But she won't. Too many MPs think she's nuts. Hunt has been bracketed (unfairly) as an arch-Remainer and the members won't wear him, so I doubt he'll win either.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    As someone who wants a Labour government next time, only one of that list concerns me. None have the electoral appeal of Boris.

    Mordaunt is the best of the runners. Brexity (that much is a certainty anyway) but socially liberal. She would jettison the creepy culture war stuff.
    Mordant is trading on anonymity, not a long term value. I do not expect ambitious people like Truss to accept playing second fiddle to her. It could be brutal as she navigates economic and political choppy waters. At best a roll of the dice. Not one to worry about.
    It's going to be fairly brutal for anyone as they attempt to do that.
    Quite. So you need someone who can command the team from day one and deal with egos. It would be hugely difficult for Mordant to do that. The will be plenty of ambitious people eyeing the role after an election.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913
    Very funny put down by Emily Thornberry. Saying in hushed tones how proud she was to be facing Suella Braverman as she awaited her call from the Palace.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    ydoethur said:

    Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1545100038581395460

    Jacob Rees Mogg was not a success as a human being. He was a high density politician, and one who was not alert to the overinflatedness of his ego.
    Lord Snooty from the Bash Street kids.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Roger said:

    Very funny put down by Emily Thornberry. Saying in hushed tones how proud she was to be facing Suella Braverman as she awaited her call from the Palace.

    Would that be Lady Nugee? She presumably knows about moving in palace circles.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Roger said:

    Very funny put down by Emily Thornberry. Saying in hushed tones how proud she was to be facing Suella Braverman as she awaited her call from the Palace.

    The Hanwell Palace?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,278

    Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1545100038581395460

    This is good tho. The Tories need a proper bust-up, because right now they are adrift. We need swung punches and blood on the rug. We need a victor who wins with the best policies and the right personality to deliver them

    I have almost zero confidence this will happen
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    nico679 said:

    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    As someone who wants a Labour government next time, only one of that list concerns me. None have the electoral appeal of Boris.

    Mordaunt is the best of the runners. Brexity (that much is a certainty anyway) but socially liberal. She would jettison the creepy culture war stuff.
    Great hair , she has that Bondish look but sadly when you look past that she’s another EU hater and gave a disgraceful speech in the USA.

    "My god, Penny has a fabulous body. I bet she shags like a minx. How do I tell her that, because of the Unfreezing Tory Leadership Process, I have no inner monologue? I hope I didn't say that out loud just now."
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,443
    Jonathan said:

    As someone who wants a Labour government next time, only one of that list concerns me. None have the electoral appeal of Boris.

    Love the way you don't say who it is 'just in case' it might influence the Tories in selecting them.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913

    Truss is probably my best result if she wins, together with Hunt.

    But she won't. Too many MPs think she's nuts. Hunt has been bracketed (unfairly) as an arch-Remainer and the members won't wear him, so I doubt he'll win either.

    An airhead not much better than Nadine who likes dressing up. They need another one of those like a hole in the head
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    Leon said:

    Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1545100038581395460

    This is good tho. The Tories need a proper bust-up, because right now they are adrift. We need swung punches and blood on the rug. We need a victor who wins with the best policies and the right personality to deliver them

    I have almost zero confidence this will happen
    That quote from Mogg that the Tory government was not alert to inflation is hugely useful. More please.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I have just ordered eel

    I’m not sure I’ve eaten eel outside smoked eel at posh London gaffs and eel in Chinese dishes. It is from the Rijeka Crnojevika, which rolls by right underneath this tavern

    Your account is electric.
    Moray travelogue.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,443
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_ammodytes

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)

    It deffo wasn’t that. It was a thick mid brown slightly malevolent looking thing. About 120 cm long. Slithered away at a medium speed, along the path in front

    On the drive to my riverside bar I just saw another snake (dead) and a tortoise (alive). This place is fervent with life, I love it

    Rijeka Crnojevika is precisely where I am. Right next to this bridge. Having some homemade white wine delivered by a shiningly beautiful Montenegrin girl

    Sigh. I love travel


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijeka_Crnojevića_bridge
    Lol. Which twat off-topicked this? I was replying to some helpful speculation about the snake I saw earlier. It’s a conversation, dick
    I wouldn't worry. More often than not it's fat finger syndrome.

    Even if it's not, just ignore it.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,525
    dixiedean said:

    The favourite isn't even assembling a team. I await evidence he isn't a non-runner.

    "The defence secretary, Ben Wallace, is thinking of his family as he considers whether to stand to be Conservative leader, Sky News is reporting.

    He has three children. “He is a very committed family man,” one ally told the broadcaster. " (Guardian blog)

    My guess is he'll go for it, but he needs to decide pretty snappily. MPs will be back in their constituencies now, and by Monday a lot of them will have been hoovered up by the teams who were already prepared.

    Hunt, similarly. If he's planning to run, he's keeping very quiet about it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,443
    Jonathan said:

    If you could combine Sunak’s common touch, with Truss’ calm warmth, Wallace’s charisma, Mordants experience, Javid’s powerful voice, Hunts colourful personality, Zahawi’s integrity, Tugenhats recognition and Raabs modesty you’d have a great candidate.

    Are you defecting?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361

    Right. Here’s how Boris reached his decision to quit, per those who talked to him today. 1/

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1545090107807617027

    The self-serving rubbish in an attempt to rehabilitate him starts immediately. A "moment of clarity" for goodness sake. And hinting at the Queen playing a role.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Is Ben Wallace actually standing?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Very funny put down by Emily Thornberry. Saying in hushed tones how proud she was to be facing Suella Braverman as she awaited her call from the Palace.

    The Hanwell Palace?
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Hanwell+2022&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    nico679 said:

    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    As someone who wants a Labour government next time, only one of that list concerns me. None have the electoral appeal of Boris.

    Mordaunt is the best of the runners. Brexity (that much is a certainty anyway) but socially liberal. She would jettison the creepy culture war stuff.
    Great hair , she has that Bondish look but sadly when you look past that she’s another EU hater and gave a disgraceful speech in the USA.

    "My god, Penny has a fabulous body. I bet she shags like a minx. How do I tell her that, because of the Unfreezing Tory Leadership Process, I have no inner monologue? I hope I didn't say that out loud just now."
    Signal box chat?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.

    Misery at the news.
    Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
    If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
    Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
    https://youtu.be/--gdB-nnQkU

    Seminal gang film from NYC.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896

    Right. Here’s how Boris reached his decision to quit, per those who talked to him today. 1/

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1545090107807617027

    Roughly what some of us thought would happen. Yesterday was too frenetic with PMQs, the Liaison Committee, and resignations on the half-hour. Once given time to reflect, it became obvious to Boris the game was up.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663

    Jonathan said:

    As someone who wants a Labour government next time, only one of that list concerns me. None have the electoral appeal of Boris.

    Love the way you don't say who it is 'just in case' it might influence the Tories in selecting them.
    Well we wouldn’t want to make it easy now would we. Do you get a vote this time around? A reduced Tory membership means that each vote is pretty influential.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_ammodytes

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)

    It deffo wasn’t that. It was a thick mid brown slightly malevolent looking thing. About 120 cm long. Slithered away at a medium speed, along the path in front

    On the drive to my riverside bar I just saw another snake (dead) and a tortoise (alive). This place is fervent with life, I love it

    Rijeka Crnojevika is precisely where I am. Right next to this bridge. Having some homemade white wine delivered by a shiningly beautiful Montenegrin girl

    Sigh. I love travel


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijeka_Crnojevića_bridge
    Lol. Which twat off-topicked this? I was replying to some helpful speculation about the snake I saw earlier. It’s a conversation, dick
    It was probably Farooq.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1545100038581395460

    So who is the continuity Bojo that RM is rooting for?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_ammodytes

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)

    It deffo wasn’t that. It was a thick mid brown slightly malevolent looking thing. About 120 cm long. Slithered away at a medium speed, along the path in front

    On the drive to my riverside bar I just saw another snake (dead) and a tortoise (alive). This place is fervent with life, I love it

    Rijeka Crnojevika is precisely where I am. Right next to this bridge. Having some homemade white wine delivered by a shiningly beautiful Montenegrin girl

    Sigh. I love travel


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijeka_Crnojevića_bridge
    Lol. Which twat off-topicked this? I was replying to some helpful speculation about the snake I saw earlier. It’s a conversation, dick
    They're just jealous.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Foxy said:

    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.

    Misery at the news.
    Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
    If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
    Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
    https://youtu.be/--gdB-nnQkU

    Seminal gang film from NYC.

    Seems I was wise to miss it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Farooq said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Europe’s most dangerous snake lives in your neck of the woods:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_ammodytes

    Not very dangerous on a world scale, though.

    (FPT, for the safety of Leon, drunkenly scrambling back to his lodgings tonight…)

    It deffo wasn’t that. It was a thick mid brown slightly malevolent looking thing. About 120 cm long. Slithered away at a medium speed, along the path in front

    On the drive to my riverside bar I just saw another snake (dead) and a tortoise (alive). This place is fervent with life, I love it

    Rijeka Crnojevika is precisely where I am. Right next to this bridge. Having some homemade white wine delivered by a shiningly beautiful Montenegrin girl

    Sigh. I love travel


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijeka_Crnojevića_bridge
    Lol. Which twat off-topicked this? I was replying to some helpful speculation about the snake I saw earlier. It’s a conversation, dick
    It was probably Farooq.
    I'm usually to blame for most things
    A commendable rule of thumb.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    IshmaelZ said:

    Shots fired in the Tory leadership contest already.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg tears into Rishi Sunak: “Rishi Sunak was not a successful Chancellor. He was a high tax Chancellor, and he was a Chancellor who was not alert to the inflationary problem."


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1545100038581395460

    So who is the continuity Bojo that RM is rooting for?
    Please, please, please - not himself!

    But more likely if he's looking for an overrated sex maniac with a weird way of speaking and no clue whatsoever, he'll be looking to Truss.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Andy_JS said:

    Is Ben Wallace actually standing?

    Works better as a Rishi joke.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,278
    Foxy said:

    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.

    Misery at the news.
    Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.
    If you're in the Rollerball zone then you must add Jaws and The Warriors as as influential in your life. Shirley.
    Jaws was huge! Not quite so influential though. I have no idea who or what 'the warriors' are.
    https://youtu.be/--gdB-nnQkU

    Seminal gang film from NYC.

    Is that “No one messes with the Wongs”?

    A sudden flashback from my youth
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    James Caan has died. Don’t know if it was down to bad elf or just natural old age. There should be no misery about his passing but rejoicing in his Sonny disposition.

    Misery at the news.
    Rollerball is probably the most influential movie in my life. A friend's father worked at Pinewood. We replayed Rollerball. I've thus been knocked senseless by the strike of a real Rollerball glove.

    (Edit: not totally sure it was Pinewood - lot's of film stuff in the family, and no before you ask my mother's just no vinyl)
    Rollerball is a fantastic film. Haven't watched it for a bit.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    edited July 2022

    dixiedean said:

    The favourite isn't even assembling a team. I await evidence he isn't a non-runner.

    "The defence secretary, Ben Wallace, is thinking of his family as he considers whether to stand to be Conservative leader, Sky News is reporting.

    He has three children. “He is a very committed family man,” one ally told the broadcaster. " (Guardian blog)

    My guess is he'll go for it, but he needs to decide pretty snappily. MPs will be back in their constituencies now, and by Monday a lot of them will have been hoovered up by the teams who were already prepared.

    Hunt, similarly. If he's planning to run, he's keeping very quiet about it.
    Yes, though how will the imminent recess affect campaigning? No schmoozing in the tea rooms; no looking a candidate in the eyes as he hints you can be Chancellor in return for your support. Lots of Whatsapp groups and signing up to rivals' Whatsapp groups.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Mordaunt is the gamblers option: the roll of the dice. She could crash and burn just as easily as steering them to a decent result.

    Wallace is I suspect the man that saves 30-40 seats. Whether that means that they’d end up on a 330 result rather than a 290 result; or a 240 result rather than a 200 result, difficult to say. Probably not a landslide winner, but may avoid being a landslide loser.

    Liz does I think attract slightly unfair criticisms from time to time but I think she’s probably the least electorally appealing. If they want to have a 2 year Maggie nostalgia cosplay then a Truss leadership might make members happy, I just think it’s got by far the biggest risks of ending badly electorally.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Andy_JS said:

    Is Ben Wallace actually standing?

    I have my doubts.

    I am marginally green on him, major green on Mordaunt, minor green on Truss, minor green on Patel, green on a few no hopers. Midsized red on Sunak, Javid, Zahawi and Hunt.

    I rarely do well on leadership contests though, apart from when I was on Corbyn at 100/1.

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